Nvidia is Clearly Better, Right?
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Over the lifetime of RDNA2 AMD has apparently improved the experience a lot, making us wonder... should you actually choose Nvidia for your next GPU? Particularly when AMD left some performance on the table we hope to extract using the Radeon Monster Profile.
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0:00 - Nvidia GPUs are just plain better... right?
1:11 - Enlisted
1:22 - AMD's GPU driver problems
3:43 - AMD vs. Nvidia price to performance
4:17 - Hydra 1.2
9:40 - Did the overclock work?
12:57 - Nvidia's feature benefits
14:05 - Enlisted!
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Note: We talked to 1usmus after the video and it seems like the Radeon Monster Profile didn't work as well with our Intel processor. The Radeon Monster Profile tweaks Re-Bar which can significantly improve performance, but at times this seems to conflict with the Intel microcode leading to worse performance. If you have an all AMD build it should be even better. -AC
Positive criticism. Would have liked for you guys to have followed through with a 6900xt. Seems like that would have netted the extra 200 😮
I M building an all AMD build. Can't wait to see how it performs :). All last gen of course bc of 💰
Seems kinda weird you wouldn't test something like this on an all AMD setup in the first place lol.
makes sense, thanks :)
AMD STILL has driver issues which is really sad. This can be seen in Snowrunner game where the AMD graphics drivers eventually start to create mud spikes out of the ground in long rows. This is a driver bug with AMD because this doesn't happen with Nvidia. Something in AMD graphics drivers messes the height map of the mud and tall spikes and deep holes form on the ground. Thankfully it is just a visual bug and it doesn't affect the collision mesh of the game world but it still is annoying because eventually when enough mud spikes and holes have piled up in the game world, the game out right just crashes. Drivers simply cannot handle anymore errors.
What amazes me are the fact that AMD doing a two front fights (gpu & cpu) with each front having much larger opponent (nvidia & intel) yet still manages to compete and stay relevant to this point.
amd's marketcap is pretty close to intels
@@jasonthirded it has grown significantly since ryzen, go back 4-5 years and AMD had like 10%. So it is a fight, they just advanced further.
@@Ya-Be 4-5 years ago Intel was bigger than both AMD and Nvidia combined. Now Nvidia is Intel + AMD combined(or was a few weeks ago, smthing like that).
Through paid shillery.
@@kiloneie I'm talking about gaming/consumer marketshare, not general networth of the company. But yeah
Maybe it's just me, but I think Alex saying he swapped his GPUs and forgot he had done it and saved $200 - this was by far the most valuable line in the video to me, as a prospective buyer. Far more than any chart or graph you could show me, anecdotal as it is
Except it would be impossible to forget about it if he actually used any of nvidia technologies like dlss, shadowplay, reflex, not to mention actual raytracing.
The value is obviously insane compared to rtx-es, but it's not like you can objectively notice these preformance differences. If you're not pushing your card in newest titles with 4K resolutions and all the crazy settings, you're not gonna choke your GPU enough really to feel the difference even when it is there, because how would you? The non-raytraced performance in, let's say, 1440p is gonna be rock solid anyway.
@@Tarets the point is for casual gamers, they won't notice the difference unless they spend more time in the settings than the game
@@olsirmonkey Yeah I dont think activating raytracing is "spending more time in settings than in game" ... technologies like DLSS and raytracing is what keeps nvidia ahead, regardless of raw performance.
@@Tarets does not affect casuals at all, who are the overwhelming majority of the market
@@Tarets oh, I must have missed amd's announcements of FSR 2.2 and FSR 3, the Radeon Relive game capture, amd's latency reduction tools, not to mention their actual raytracing. Amd's first implementation of raytracing was about as good as Nvidia's, and didn't even have hardware like tensor cores to accelerate it. Just for clarity my desktop has a 3800x and 1080 strix, my laptop has a 9750H and rtx 2060, my previous laptop was 7700hq and 1050ti and I also have geforce now 3080 tier. I don't have an agenda here.
AMD deserves a thanks for not asking for crazy high prices.
Apparently they have a secret 4090ti killer and plan to price it accordingly.
Nvidia lost touch with their buyers
They don't ask for crazy high prices because they can't match NVIDIA performance. It was the same thing with CPUs, when they couldn't beat Intel they were cheap but once they came up with CPUs that could match Intel they started asking for the same Intel does.
@@authoritariangentleman7570 are you insane? AMD literally came out and said they are not competing with the 4090.. only the 4080
That's because no one would buy AMD if they tried to charge crazy high prices?
Look at all this messing about. The words "broken" "subscribe" "crash" used rather frequently. I'd rather pay more, have the fastest AND most stable on offer and not be frustrated with my purchase.
Really looking forward to the mid range cards of the next generation, in my opinion the mid range cards actually dictate who won between AMD and Nvidia
Yup. Mid range is the way to go for the vast majority of people.
Gtx1060 vs rx580 was the battle of the century
@@johnsherby9130 as a 1060 user I can agree. God that 1060 was a good card. I do like my new gpu though!😊
@@johnsherby9130 good times :(
@@johnsherby9130 More like 970 vs 480
One thing you cannot underestimate is how AMD supports open technology. Ignoring the fact their Linux drivers are open-source, they were one of the biggest creators of DisplayPort in the VESA group. They also created Freesync (using the DisplayPort technology they pushed) and they also provided basis for Vulkan to Kronos Group from their own, proprietary API (that no one used).
Mantle was used in games of that era at least in big titles.
And DisplayPort is entirely unreliable, just like their drivers. Time and time again I keep running into monitor issues that are immediately resolved by using a port that isn't DisplayPort. This happens in onboard graphics, Nvidia, or AMD. They can spout all the specs they want; DisplayPort can't be trusted. Right now, I have two seperate people that are having issues with monitors going black (while still being powered on) using DisplayPort outputs. One has a 3080 Ti, and the other has an RX590 for a more budget build. Two entirely different systems, different cables, different monitors, same output port. From now on, I will ONLY use HDMI. It's been this way for YEARS and shows no signs of changing.
But then AMD doesnt finish their Vulkan drivers, especially on Windows...
@@williameldridge9382 I've never had an issue with displayport.
@@williameldridge9382 if anything i found display port to be reliable than hdmi
It's amazing how good amd has got these years,I am now going to buy a high end laptop with an Amd cpu and honestly at the price I found it It is a lot more convenient than the high end alternative by intel,It will be a beast of a cpu
what laptop?
And yet, despite numerous reviewers saying "AMD is literally better AND cheaper for the normal user", Intel and Nvidia are so favored.
Yes the extreme high chips WILL be better not a question, but price to performance AMD is better. Ryzen chips are generally cheaper and have less thermal throttling and Radeon cards have FAR more VRAM than most Nvidia cards. Yes RTX is cool but it annihilates FPS and it's generally more of a niche thing.
Ew laptops
Intel is the best price to performance ratio, even the i7-12700k is way better than amd in same price
@@Not_interestEd-RT is prolly gonna be good for next gen, or whatever 4090
My last 3 GPUs were all AMD, I played hundreds of different games on them. I never had any issues with AMD drivers.
what GPU u got?
My last two were a 1060 and now a 3060, which were both great. But I seem to have had much less issues with texture shimmer/screen space reflections with my AMD cards, which were a HD 5770 and an R9 270. Were it not for DLSS being such a boon for having a low/mid-range PC, I'd have probably gone with another AMD card this gen.
@@IrisCorven fsr2.0 is nearly as good, frankly I can't tell the difference at 4k. DLSS probably has an edge at lower resolutions however.
Just got 6950xt for 699$ on new egg. Been nvidia evga for YEARS AND YEARS, but since evga left and prices and scalpers with Nvidia, I am going team red first time in 10-15 years Left intel for AM5 AMD 7700x to upgrade from my 7700k and evga 3070ti. Finaly 4k 60 fps native gaming!!!
ive got amd gpu and i dont wanna this shit anymore
One of the interesting things is that as a Linux user, the situation with drivers are almost flipped. Nvidia has really wonky proprietary drivers that replace a large part of the Linux graphics stack, but AMD (and Intel) have open source drivers that use Linux's Mesa graphics stack, so they work out of the box with no additional drivers needed and have very good compatibility and API support.
Yep, nvidia drivers also cause a ton of REALLY weird issues at random times. Some games from random vendors just refuse to work in WINE or Proton, where they work perfectly normal from elsewhere. Obviously AMD doesn't have this problem afaik.
Recent changes to AMD drivers on Linux even rendered their proprietary driver obsolete compared tot he open source driver. For a long while that proprietary driver was the only way to get certain Vulkan features to work correctly and that kind of sucked since it locks you to a specific kernel version. Not sure when but within the last couple months that changed, now the open source driver does all of that and works with whatever random (modern) kernel you throw at it.
yeah as a Linux user AMD is obviously the better choice but I'm wondering if there is any performance benefits between AMD's own proprietary drivers versus the free Mesa ones and if there is a way to make gaming on Linux as fast or faster then on windows simply by overclocking the video cards the same way they do in the video
that should be the subject for the next LTT video
Even with Nvidia's proprietary drivers installed from official Nvidia repositories they managed to completely brick my desktop three times on two different machines after an OS upgrade. I've given up and stick to nouveau for now and my laptop has never worked better. Meanwhile the only issue I've had with the RDNA2-powered Steam Deck is missing controller and anti-cheat support. Let that sink in for a minute. The experience with the Steam Deck running Windows games on Linux is better and more reliable than an Nvidia card running just the desktop.
@@styrelsefksu4463 I think the open source ones are usually faster than the proprietary ones, especially for OpenGL
Wow that 6700 XT actually looks like a video card that goes into a normal computer and not something you have to build the rest of your computer around
I recently bought Sapphire nitro+ RX 6700XT - the older version. There is new version with lower frequency on the market. I undervolted it anyway (1150mV and 2400MHz max.) and the card is awesome and quiet as a mouse. For fullHD gaming with R5 5600X and 16GB DDR4 3200MHz RAM excellent. Very happy about it.
Currently have a 6700xt going back to my 1080ti because Adrenalin sucks
@@StrixWar how so? Its working great here
@@MarceloMedeirosb ı have same card and lots of issue in csgo
Just use a bigger case lol.
There's some 6700XT going for as low as 300$ where I live. While 3060ti is still something like 400 to 450
I got mine on sale a few weeks ago but saw price is back up for it. Its a great card, for those of us on a budget.
Went from 1080ti to a 6950 xt and the only reason for was the pricing. I "saved" like 300-400 $ and got a really great card. I was unsure if i should rly change the side, but i have 0 regrets about. Never run into hard issues or games i couldn't play. Tbh i still paid too much but it has a much better value than a 3090 3090ti would have had. Beside that i can hold this card below 75 degree doesent matter what game im playing in 4k. Watt usage is same like the 1080ti was, but the RX has double the performance :) Im pretty happy with it!
i have a 6950xt too, for me it was between that or a 4070 and man the amd just smashes the 4070 in every catagory (besides ray tracing) and its just a total killer card for the prices
@@tristan3456 eh no
@@domeberlin4480uh yes.🤡
@@domeberlin4480eh yeah
AMD is in a REALLY good spot now. Best decision I ever made was to wait for the big three (AMD, Nvidia and Intel) to release their flagships. I'm definitely getting an AMD.
Same. I think this will be my first AMD cars since the HD4850 😊
@@trousers2 It will be my first since like 2006.
@@trousers2 what is an amd car
same
@@TwelveLetter956 It's an autocorrect-powered virtual driving machine.
I just went from a 2070 super to a 6800xt about 2 weeks ago and the upgrade was fantastic for me! Great increase in fps and everything has been quite stable with a manual UV and OC. I have a ryzen 5600x as well and ive been very happy with the move to team red so far.
Well to be fair you jumped from one generation to the next one. The equivalent to a 2070 super would have been the AMD 5700XT. If I remember correctly the 5700XT was meant to compete with the stock 2070 but ended up being almost on equal footing with the 2070 super.
@@bananawarlock3981 yes but my point was that it was a seamless transition. No issues with drivers or software. Everything just worked the way I expected.
I hope you’ve turned on resizable BAR!
Welcome to team red!
was tempted by the 7900xt and 7900xtx launch but will probably keep my 6800xt for at at least the next 8000xt cards, especially with these OC programs coming out squeezing the absolute max out of it (especially with the very diminishing turns of running the game on medium instead of high these days with very limited difference in quality. it's soooo tempting to always want the latest and greatest but by 6800xt has served me well and will probably be my to go GPU for the next 2/3 years (gaming at 4k 120hz on a OLED has spoiled me fml). don't get me wrong I'm not strapped for cash but a lot of the times being content with what you have is the way to go. (Especially with only less than 20% if I'm correct even gaming on a 4k atm according to the steam hardware survey.
My 5700XT is still going strong two years down the line! I bought it at the height of the driver issues debacle, yet I haven't experienced anything related to drivers, or at least I haven't noticed the issues.
While this hasn't done much for performance, I put it under water, which means the memory chips and VRM aren't affected by the 0 RPM mode issues others have experienced as well.
I'm at the point of upgrading it though, my 1440p panel asks for more FPS, and those new RDNA3 cards are looking mighty interesting...
Lucky you. Mine was green screening literally sitting idle at the desktop. It would crash going to play a Windows video. Games? It would crash about every hour. I spent 1-1.5 years with that card and it gave me issues from quite literally the moment I built that PC. I was going to download the OS when it did the first crash.
@@vladdracul2379 Sounds likr you had a faulty card...
@@MrBonki123
Who knows. AMD wouldn't take it back for warranty because they said it was my PSU.
Long time fan, I Love your content! I'd really like to see you guys do some throwback "build a trash gaming system" contests agian. Those were the best! It reminds me of grabbing towers from the dump in the 90s and cobbling together a doom machine lol. Keep up the great work!
My take on this: Never be an early adopter for products. It’s almost always in your best interest to wait 1-2 years post release for stability, performance, and prices to improve. Got a 6900 XT for 700$ and have had 0 regrets or issues.
doesn't that just mean you will have to change your GPU more quickly, as a guy form a third world country where a GPU costs more than my monthly salary, wouldn't you say that it's a bad deal?
@@ork0_095 a 6900xt will last at least 5 years. i'm still rocking with a 1080ti i bought awhile ago.
@@ork0_095 Change your gpu more quickly? nah Most games require 960/1080 as the lowest gpu to use. Buy a 3090 Ti now and you will not need a new gpu in a couple of years.
@@FluePeak decades*
or until the silicon just rots for some reasons
@@FluePeak and if you play older games, it's morel like 1050 or a 770
I’ve always been a Nvidia customer but I may switch to Radeon graphics cards. They have low power draw and very competitive prices. For me, I care more about price to performance and it seems like AMD really delivers in that aspect.
Pricing without performance is meaningless.
What you actually mean is that you care more about the price-to-performance ratio than about having the highest possible performance
If you’re at all concerned about heat/power I think AMD is pretty baller
@@rivershen8199 that reminded me of that video with that really cheap GPU. It cost something absurd like 2 bucks but it could render at 3 FPS so it had amazing price-to-performance ratio
That makes two of us I'm buying the new AMD that launches later this year i really didn't like Nvidia practice during crypto craze
Nvidia may have ray tracing and dlss, but amd invented something really cool the the GeForce Experience can't touch - a fan curve.
There was a time when Linus wanted to give up, It's very cool to see him still in it, doing whatever he likes and not worrying too much about things he shouldn't, he hired and delegated perfectly, Keep it doing what makes yo happy!
He didn't really give up, but...
Feedback for the editors - do you think when you have on-screen text like at 2:45, you could keep it there for a bit longer? Right now it's like a reaction time test to press the space bar or pause button, and inevitably failing and having to skip backwards to read it.
@Sappho I'm actually unsure if The Algorithm sees it as a good or a bad thing if I pause the video and go back. I always thought that it was bad, and I'd feel a bit guilty every time I have an ADHD moment and fail to catch what someone says even with subtitles, but maybe not?
change your skip/rewind to 5 seconds. it might change your life
@Sappho In the analytics it even says that spikes in viewtime on the timeline can be also caused by people not understanding the section. TH-cam and therefore its algorithm should be aware of both possibilities.
Yeah they should assume ppl watch it at at least 1.5x speed
6750XT in my build currently.
It's killing it on every game I play.
I'm regularly getting 100+ FPS at 1440P high/ultra settings
What cpu are you using?
unfortunately it seems like PC gaming is just lagging in pushing hardware requirements now. almost nothing really challenges games to 30fps unless you run insane resolution that almost nobody has. consoles seem to be holding back game development quite a bit right now.
Same for my 6700xt, at 1440p it runs everything just fine. I usually just use medium settings anyway, and I get full 144hz in everything. Struggles at ultra, but ultra is kinda overkill anyway to me. Btw I'm just using a 5600x CPU, rather than my old and beloved 3800x
@@erichb4530 yeah PS4 and x one users are annoying rn
yeah its killing it my cousing just got 6750xt and he can play e sport titles at 4k with 144hz easily it could cost like 200$ more for same performance on nvidia
It wasn't until I saw the video that I noticed that the Resize Bar technology performed much worse on Intel processors. The profile on 305W should show performance around 21900 points for TS, on the bench with Intel we get a result of 21200. Yes, this is the result, but you can do better. There are quite a few calibrations of innovations ahead. A little patience.
Many thanks to the Linus Tech Tips team for this great video :)
What you do god's work for the gaming community, Yuri
Glad to see you finally getting a look from LTT Yuri. Keep up the outstanding work and I can't wait to see what you cook up for Radeon 7000 series gpus.
What does resize bar actually do? I just discovered it days ago and turned it on just because.
@@randomletterandnumber It allows your CPU to access the entire memory range (or a much larger chunk) of your PCIe devices. By default, the CPU is only allowed to see 256MB worth of addresses. Resizable BAR gets around that.
It's supposed to give performance benefits, but it's not quite figured out yet by everyone to make it stable or faster in all cases.
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excited for AMD's Radeon 7000 series to finally catch up in some of the features for encoding, now to see if they can get the rest of the productivity side caught up
Are they coming with hardware based encoding that nvidia have been providing so far. The main or maybe yhe only point for buying nvidia instead of amds
Good video! I saw myself in this video and Alex's story, except my experience was more similar to what you had at LTT with driver issues, but they really have improved as a company. Now they just need to fix their overheating (screw ZERO RPM) and their Ray Tracing floundering (I don't know enough to tell you what the main issue is there...probably still drivers).
I am using rx 6600 right now. Nice little card, which consumes about 50-70 watts in most games (with a bit of undervolt). Completely fine for 1080p 60 fps gaming
I use now rx6600xt (asus dual) and its very good to me, my games, and my old Pc with i5 4670k. And that old processor (oc ofcourse) suits ideal for that card, and its work over 6 months, with 3x1080p games on 3 monitors.
Happy here with an RX 6600 also, with two 1080p monitors. It's not limiting anything I do.
I've no need for RX 7900 anything, but I'm looking forward to RX 7600 for new features, like AV1 encoding.
Good thing for lower-end buyers like us is that they tend to come out later, and by then, things are better sorted out. 🙂
@@catsspat actually i play msfs and i can barely run it lmao. I have 3 monitors but only use one because if I used more it would hard freeze the PC
6600 & 1600AF (2600) with 4 x 1080 screens and a single 1440 32". Love the FSR and I wish RSR used borderless but whatever, max 60w (power limited) on GPU and 60w CPU and 0 stutters! With energy prices going up there's no way I'm looking for anything above 100w! Screw those big AAA games, they gotta code their ish right!
It’s nice to see everyone’s tune starting to change. I got into PC gaming this summer with a 6700 XT and I’ve had a great experience. I’ve been so confused by the anti-AMD sentiment I’ve seen, but from videos like this it sounds like it was previously warranted. Whatever the case, competition is great for everyone and I’m glad there are multiple viable options these days.
Some of the nVidia fans know their wallets are being stolen just because of being a loyalist. Second guessing these days
nVidia seems to have pushed their silicon to the limit and the cracks are starting to show. I'm guessing their chiplet design has the potential to overtake the performance crown similar to what they've been doing to Intel lately.
Warranted can be a bit anecdotal, I had a terrible experience with an nVidia 8800 GTX that refused to work with a new motherboard when I upgraded that. Switched to a Radeon 6950 (the old one) and used that for years with no issue, and later on used a Radeon RX480 again with no issues. On the other hand I've had issues with my 2070S and Windows 11's graphics scheduler.
I had a shit experience with my 5700 XT. Crashes and driver timeouts constantly. Haven't had any issues with the 1070 I switched to.
@@TimSheehan I do somewhat believe you but... you used a 6950/rx480 without any micro stuttering or driver problems. That is something I don't believe I both cards back in the day and had lots and lots of problems. But hey maybe your drivers were better than everyone else's.
AMD and nVidia are both companys don't be loyal to one, buy the card you think are best and research whenever the next one comes.
I'm still running an rx580 8gb. So glad I've waited for new gpu releases. Please do an upgrade series 🙏
Bruh. I am running Sapphire Radeon R9 290 4GB since Jan 2015 and now it's 2023. This card is running like beast. Though I don't do games a lot but as far as 2019, it played METRO 3rd installment on MED to HIGH Graphics.
Same. The 580 is an absolute workhorse, although i've been experiencing some issues with crashing drivers occasionally but that's not really a fault of the card itself.
Currently still running an 8GB XFX Radeon RX 480 from 2016 and it's still a beast. Sure, there are more powerful cards out there but it's aged great. I can't justify spending upwards of £400+ on a new card when it still has plenty to offer. Heck, I don't even know what card that'll be. The only upgrade I've added to my machine since 2016 is an extra SSD for one particular game. Think I'll get a new CPU before GPU, in fact
AMD cards are REALLY good these days. And I am saying this although I experienced the dreaded "black screen" issue... After many hours of troubleshooting I finally came to the conclusions that it wasn't actually AMDs fault, but rather my motherboard's CPU overclocking utility (ASRock). Once I uninstalled it and used Ryzen Master and Radeon Software I haven't had a single issue. I have a 6600XT and I am super happy. I run Cyberpunk with a mix of High and Medium and the FSR 2 set to Quality. The game hovers around 80-115fps at 1440p. That's incredible! Image quality is great meanwhile almost running the game like a competitive shooter in terms of performance.
Which GPU? That's great
The 6600 6650 xt are really good cards when it comes to value. Would buy them anytime over 3060 3050
What about overheating compared to nvidia
@@mikhael.j7 I have absolutely no issue with heat. My 6600XT runs at around 70-75 degrees Celsius at full load. It runs a lot cooler than my previous GTX1070 did (at around 83 degrees). This mainly has to do with the cooler, the cards thermal profile as well as external factors such as room temperature and airflow in your case.
I mean in 2021, nvidias flagship cards overheated in "New World" (and no, it was not the game's fault, the GPU should never allow for such a thermal behavior).
@@PixelShade i have rtx 3080 and running at 60-65c at full load
I made the switch back to AMD after a decade and... I've had basically no issues. Alex is dead on. I just enjoy my games without any thought in the matter.
Edit: WOW I was not expecting this many likes! Good to see others have had a similar experience! :D
My FX 5000 series card died back in the day, it was my first Nvidia card because 3dfx was so much better in every way. I replaced the FX card with an ati Radeon 9700 pro and it blew the shit out of anything Nvidia had for the price. I've been buying both brands ever since based on price to perform
@@licksludgee I have been buying graphics cards for the last 25 or so years and do the same. I usually go best performance per dollar. The CUDA and encoding features are very handy to have. I always preferred ATI / AMD picture quality over NVIDIA but that has managed to be pretty null in the recent years. My first card after 3dfx flopped was a Radeon 9000. I really did not want to give up my voodoo card but it was becoming unusable.
@@D3M3NT3Dstrang3r man small world, I found the Nvidia card had more horsepower for gaming but the ati had better playback and all round features. It's obviously different now with Nvidia having better all around features as you've said but the prices are absurd now
What about Adobe and 3D renders?
@@nikyabodigital AMD hardware ray tracing is coming to blender, but we don't exaclty know when, but it's coming
AMD's improvements on drivers are clearly noticeable on older cards too, I've got a 5700 and in some games I've managed to go from medium settings to everything maxed out with the GPU not being maxed out.
Indeed. Over the years, I've tried both brands, but Radeon just gave me the worst experience possible, and that's considering I burnt 3 nvidia GPUs. Like they literally smoke the whole room! Radeon was just more frustrating than catching fire... pc crashes...
@@joshanonline It just seems that you are frustated because of your personal past.
@@joshanonline Wait, how have you managed to even total that many cards (not red or green, but generally) outside of destructive testing or high wear OC, where it's expected?
@@joshanonline jesus dude , you're not the common people if you manage to burn 3 gpus on your pass.
@@joshanonline learn to use computers appropriately and maybe consider your ambient temperature as well, maybe get a power regulator to plug your PC in? In 2 decades of switching many PCs and experimenting more often than actual gaming, I've only burned one no-name power-supply an that was it, but your numbers scare me.
The first gpu I bought was a 7900 GTO, it was a great, then I got an 8800 GTS G92, it was great...but both cards had issues for me with the Nvidia software and the build quality of both also became an issue later on where I had ot ran the fan manually faster to be able to game (obviously I could have replaced the paste and pads but still.
Then I got the HD6950 from Sapphire and it was amazing, fantastic performance, Battlefield 3 all day every day, great card, 2 freaking gb of Vram, PLENTY of time to come as well as modding games like Dead Island with upping resolution because...again, Vram for days.
But then it wasnt supported anymore, yes i used it THAT long, and I was getting visual artifacts in The Division, so I upgraded to an RX480 8gb edition and I used it to this day.
Point is, AMD has always worked gangbusters for me, great products, no software issues for me and my sister is still using that HD6950 today.
So yeah, for me AMD is fantastic and while im sure Nvidia is great....its just a crap company to me, I much rather support AMD and really, so should you, 80% of hte market in the hands of 1 of 2 companies.....yeah that is not competition and you are just pushing Nvidia to become more like Apple which is much worse for you, the consumer.
lol at you calling nvidia crap because your card in 07/08 loool
Can't recall if you've covered it previously, but NVIDIA first made their own tool for this 4 years ago, though it's not quite as specific with voltage tweaks by default. Most AIB overclocking software has it, and GeForce Experience has it.
Runs its own testing to determine an overclock, and then with most OC software you can just flatline the frequency after it hits a power target you're comfortable with. You can then manually tweak voltages further, as well as adjust the memory clock to squeeze out a little more performance. This lets you get the same performance out of 30 and 40 series cards as stock, but typically with 30-40% less power consumption.
Ive been dailying a 6800XT for almost a year now, I cant remember a time where I had an issue with it that was out of the ordinary.
I had one issue with textures on War Thunder but I honestly don't think my Gpu or Drivers had anything to do with that problem. Very cool to see people making overclocking software like this, Not gonna say no to free performance without having to test it out myself bit by bit!
Sadly mine 6800 constant crashed in rdr2 online and run poorly in gtaV.. so I sold it..
how did you solve it?
@@R3nchi rdr2 has issues and if u looked online crashing is pretty common. i have a 6800xt and had the same issue. out of the 20-30 games ive played and still play rdr2 was the only game to crash and crash multiple times.
@@mattblyther5426 I just know..since I changed to nvidia it never crashed again..And i play like 3 games only I'm a old fart now..
@@R3nchi wich one do you have now ?
My first computer I built in 2012 was an fx-6300 and an hd 7850. All AMD back then, and since then every build has had at least an Intel CPU or an Nvidia GPU. Now, exactly one decade later, it will come full circle. I currently have a 5900x and 1080 ti. Assuming these cards are as good as they seem, I'm gonna be running full AMD once again with a 7900 xtx. What an exciting time to be a PC enthusiast!
Bro, we had the exact same system! I got some intel system from my parents but then upgrade it to FX-6300 and HD 7850! Worked great for a long time
Amd CPUs back then were trash. But the 7850 was a good GPU that and the 7870.
About a month ago I upgraded to an rx 6900xt for $600 new. I have spent a good bit of time tweaking it and playing with overclocks and have been extremely happy.
I upgraded because my rtx 3070 had been giving me constant issues since I picked it up in June and wanted to try team red. I have to say I have been extremely impressed and my fear of picking them for gpu has disappeared.
Constant issues with ur 3070? Sounds like user error.
First time I ever heard of someone going from RTX 3000 to AMD and having a positive opinion.
I work at a pc shop with a 30 days back policy
And 9.9999 of the times , they exchange their Nvidia cars for amd to save some bucks.
The bring me back their AMD card , with arguments like fsr is just not comparable with DLSS 2 , not only the performance increase is lower , but the visual sacrifice is much higher when in movement there are a lot of artifacts.
So they where not using it , and ended up feeling like they did lost a ton of performance.
Or told me that they miss the Nvidia control panel , that it is so much better.
Also GeForce experience.
Some have told me that they expected a drop in RT performance, but not such a drop , their exact words where:
I was willing to have worse RT performance in exchange for similar raster performance for less money.
But RT is not worse , it’s prohibited.
It’s just not possible to enable it , games become a slide show.
And there where games like dying light , metro exodus or hitman , that I like to replay and have installed where honestly , not activating RT has a big impact on visual fidelity.
It’s not a small change at all.
And a lot people also told me that they where gaming and the game suddenly crashed and closed
And that this happened quite usually , and it almost never happened in their previos Nvidia card.
I had one guy , take back to the shop his 6800xt to get back his 3060ti
Wich is considerably less performant than the 6800XT.
As someone who has been working selling both brands for years , AMD fanboys are hilarious 😂
They’ll defend their product no matter what
Did you experience any driver timeout issue?
@@JBlNN It was a new evga 3070 and I had to rma it because a fan didn't work when it arrived, ok fair enough that happens. Then I had about two months worth of driver issues that plagued my games but also plagued me professionally since I do video editing and photoshop work. I tried both the studio and game ready drivers, I also used ddu and tried a new windows on my test machine.
It had its moments of brilliance but caused me too many headaches to keep.
@@mrjohnv01 yes actually, but I found that using afterburner and either manually tuning voltage or just turning power target down while still keeping core of mem clocks overclocked that it fixed my issues.
I'm still using a Vega 56 and it has aged incredibly well. Keeps my gaming room warm in the winter as an added bonus 🤣🤣
I have the same card and I am still amazed to this day how it performs at high settings and high resolutions on modern games
Can confirm. I picked up an MSI 6800XT Trio Gaming Z a few months ago for the princely sum of $800AUD (about $515 USD, and that includes our version of sales tax) and it's been fantastic. Zero crashes or driver weirdness and smooth performance in every game I've tried. I've been very impressed, especially with the options available in the driver software.
Yeah i got an rx 6700 (non-XT) for just under 500aud a few weeks ago and its been performing fine with no crashes
I'm glad you've had a crash free experience, can you list some of the games you've played and your pc specs? Thanks
@@LikeAGroove Sure. Red Dead Redemption 2, Path of Exile, Planet Zoo, Diablo 2 Resurrected, Skyrim, Farthest Frontier (that one is a bit buggy but it's due to being an early access title), Metro Exodus, various emulators, and Cyberpunk 2077.
Ryzen 3600
MSI B450M Mortar Max
32gb Trident Z 3600 cl16
Samsung 970 pro 1tb
Noctua DH15
Corsair RMx 850w
@@SuperLloyd84 wow if rdr2, cyberpunk and metro work fine it's just more than enough
Also very good choice of specs!
@@LikeAGroove Thanks :) I'm looking forward to grabbing a 5800x3d soon, it's going to give a very nice performance bump.
I've been using 1usmus clock tuner since I heard of it - it keeps my 3600 going quite nicely - and I might just be convinced to spring for a 6700XT, especially seeing that there's a similar utility for RDNA 2 cards too. Might hold off for the 7000 series midrange cards to be announced as they might come damn close to bridging that feature gap on top of better price/performance
best thing that ill state having used amd graphics for years, is if you are having driver issues, use LTS (long term support) versions. they are not very difficult to find and they can drastically reduce crashing and other problems if you are having them. Bleeding edge is bleeding for a reason. sometimes staying right up on the cuff can cause you to get hurt so taking a step back is never a bad thing if needed.
AMD also has RSR, which is the driver level version of FSR. RSR will work on any game regardless of if it has been coded to work with FSR or DLSS.
In 1usmus's claims that the 6800XT beat a 3090Ti, he used a 5950X which may have helped when it comes to Smart Access Memory.
Absolutely this.
Also I wouldn't be shocked if he was testing on the 355w profile that Linus wasn't yet able to access.
1usmus mentioned that intel performed worse with SAM. 5950X hit 21900 points while intel regressed to 21200, and no according to him this was still on the 305W profile.
Plus - we're talking 6*8*00XT here, that GPU was never even supposed to play in the same ballpark.
A properly tuned 6*9*00XT with a little luck in the silicon lottery gives every Ampere GPU a run for it...
... unless you want AAA titles with RT maxed in 4K. That's entirely Team Green's playground, but hey: You want that, you pay for it. I for one am excitedly looking forward to RDNA3, and as soon as Zen4X3D's out, my whole rig'll finally be all AMD again.
most current intel chips with resize bar enabled get about the same numbers or better than AMD chips with SAM, so i doubt that was the case
Having offset voltage option for GPU! is such a life saver for undervolting.
Picked up an RX6600 this past summer because it was less than $200USD. First ATI card I have owned in at least 15 years. Paired with a Ryzen 5600, it's been great. Games work fine. VR works fine. Low power use. Low thermals. No driver issues. I do miss NVenc but I still have an older i7 PC with an Nvidia card and I don't do a lot of rendering anyway. Very happy with the price I paid and how much cash I didn't need to spend on the card. That savings went towards a gaming monitor.
Whats crazy is that the 7600 XT is rumored to be as fast as the 6900 XT! Should be pretty affordable too. So if you're wanting more power you might consider selling your current 6600.
@@PyroBlonde7777 Certainly not to knock AMD, but I believe thats if 7 series cards are paired with certain Ryzens touting the new split cache 3d V-cache tech. (rumors saying its crazy fast)
@meee Hm haven't heard anything on this, so no opinion yet. I will say it probably depends on the title. Most games are not CPU intensive.
Excited to go full AMD this year.
Back in 2015 I could have never imagined this.
Hahaha same went from intel and nvidia tot amd and nvidia but upgrading tot 7900xtx to pair whit my 7 5800x3d as soon as the 7900xtx drops
Last I heard of 1usmus was his email with Igor of Igorslab, where 1usmus described being stuck in a warzone in his home country of Ukraine. Glad to hear he's okay and still able to do what he loves pumping out these tuning tools.
There is a very specific but small reason I still use an nvidia gpu: I do VR gaming with a Quest 2. Which means I heavily profit from nvenc in terms of performance and visual quality when I hook up my Quest to the PC. I would love to see some tests done in that area with the new and also 6xxx generation AMD cards.
That's been an issue keeping me away as well. In previous generations the AMD encoder had like 3x the latency as well which isn't helpful when you want the lowest response time possible.
bro theres many reasons, I have 6900 XT + 3080 + 4090 and I can tell you VR even if more fps on 6900 XT is alot worse in experience than 3080 + some VR headsets not supported + AMD cant push some displays beyond DP 1.4 bandwidth limit so you have to wait for DP 2.1 displays + had issues with HDMI audio + some games just ran poorly overall + when both OC Linus forgot to show that in Nvidia cards you get between 8-12% performance improvement with simple OC, he just compared it to stock cards........ I mean my 4090 does +1700mhz stable on memory without getting performance downgrade beyond that it does get worse until it crashes at +1900mhz
overall the gains when OC Nvidia about twice as much, people like to see AMD winning as under dog, but to me reality is they know Nvidia just better and Steam charts dont lie
Hello, i got a 6700XT quest 2 works good now believe it or not, it wasn’t before but a update to drivers finally fixed it i think.
@@TRX25EXNivida is better in terms of features, but people buy AMD because of price to performance. They offer just enough to make nividas features only a small reason to buy them, and offer much cheaper prices to boot.
This channel has made realise that I am really into computer hardware. The innovations in the industry are rapid. Is there a subset of videos that focus on other use cases such as GPU performance for AI. E.g. GANs, LSTMs etc?
No
Integer scaling is still broken for me (the image sits at the top not centred) and a lot of the driver options don't work with older games anymore, for example v-sync only works with OpenGL. I hope AMD can improve on this 🙂
Fyi those "graphics settings" in the driver are just for DX9 games
@loukas371 Shocking right
@@philscomputerlab no it's not, it's how DirectX works bro... Just adjust graphics settings in the game you are playing. In the driver you can use VSR for MSAA, force some types of sync (check the "?" symbol to see when the setting applies) ànd some other things
@@loukas371 Works with Nvidia, it just works. A good test is Dead Space, the in-game V-sync does 30 FPS.So you use the driver V-sync toggle, works with Nvidia, doesn't work with AMD. I know VSR, but not sure how you relate it to v-sync?
@@philscomputerlab it was just an example of a graphic setting you can apply to every game. Not sure about this vsync thing specifically, I never tried to force it though the driver. You can also try with MSI afterburner. There will always be niche things that work funny especially with an old game like that.
Personally I just cap the frame rate and let freesync do the job for me for the smoothest tearing free results.
With all the power usage saving they do, I wonder what performance they could provide if they didn't take into account power saving in their cards.
It can be that their architecture doesn't scale that good with the voltage.
@@korinogaro Recently saw something where they used a certain component to reduce power usage. Doubt AMD would be worried about something like that as well.
@@Fipsh you don't get what I mean. It can be that they get good gains with every 0.1V they add to the core and it is stable up to 2.5GHz, and to get more you need to pump much more voltage which skyrockets power demand but performance doesn't follow it well. So AMD decided to let it at the lvl it is.
you can't mention power usage, you'll trigger some whale who lives in one dimension that thinks what they pay is the same for what everyone pays. Even they their parents pay for their electric bill anyway.
it does not work that way, put more power - get more performance. Or you wouldn't need new GPU architectures. When you are starting something, you decide the road - performance or savings; here we have the choices - nvidia is for maximum performance, while AMD is crazy about energy consumption.
I've found that AMD is a better bang for your buck, but with their GPUs, I have experienced weird driver issues. I dunno what it is, but I swap in an Nvidia GPU and everything works flawlessly. Mind you, I would buy another AMD GPU just because the price point is better.
People keep saying that without noting the gen. It switched during RTX/RDNA. AMD's drivers are fine now, and nVidia's sucked since Turing.
@tgst 1 >rarely see
I think nVidia buyers tell themselves this to rationalize paying the vidia tax, a lot like Apple buyers. "You pay more for the better drivers!" I seen people say this shit. Fact is, nVidia cards do have problems. Like I said before, go to see 2080ti reviews on newegg. It's just filled with pics of space alien problems on a card that frankly if I'm paying quadruple digits for a single piece of hardware, yeah it damn well better work out of box. Not making issues like 5600/5700xt zeroday blackscreening bugs better, but if you think nVidia cards don't come with problems...just lol
I actually had to scroll up to doublecheck this wasn't a comment from the flaming xx90 cards or was something else too lol
@only right opinion You should just build it. Unless you were already thinking that. I'm frankly astonished how badly these SIs are ripping people off, even including one stick of RAM on Ryzen platforms yeesh. Walmart PCs are the worst, even with a discount I'd not buy that they have like ultrawide 1440p they don't advertise as being 75hz and it's still too steep to me.
What I'd say is look for any system using a decent CPU cooler and that has the Coolermaster Halo MF120 fans, the ones with dual LED rings. Any SI that didn't cheap out on those knows what it's doing.
Otherwise definitely build your own for sure. I'd still say to consider Intel though, idk Ryzen 7000 looks pretty good, but to me a huge part of building is on system lifespan and upgradeability and my main problem with Intel tbh isn't just the price, but really bad lifespan. So you put a 13600k you're done, that's it, 13900k or some dumb shit long in the future when you should be building a new system anyway and hoping the PSU won't fail with new equipment. Meanwhile AMD you can actually build now on AM5 and have a future, getting a DDR5 board and all that. I still think Intel is valid for gamers though, with Intel+Radeon making the most sense to me for gaming, and Ryzen+nVidia being the most sense for production.
@@pandemicneetbux2110 how about longevity of mobile/laptop system. Longevity meaning my system would stay usable not dead, from medium to heavy use, for how many years. Which one is preferable, intel+nvidia or amd ryzen+ amd raedon?
I'm having issues galore with my rx6500 xt , forums upon forums has people scratching their heads
The driver improvements are really encouraging. Ray tracing isn’t what marketing makes it out to be. It’s not as prevalent. Most excellent games simply don’t have it. Making a purchase that’s “good enough” is wiser than chasing the best. Particularly when there’s a material financial impact on your life!
Honestly, I would push back on the “most games don’t have raytracing” comment because my entire Steam library is full of RT games. And I like RT, so I need NVIDIA for now. I was rooting hard for AMD 7000 series to be competitive in this regard but I’ll probably keep my 3090 for a while longer because I like the eye candy. I also have a 6900XT and therefore have firsthand experience with both, and honestly, the difference for someone like me is truly massive. I just have some kind of mental block to have a top end GPU, and not be able to run all the top end graphics settings in-game. Idk. Team green for now, though that is begrudgingly the case as I still want AMD to succeed, hence why I also own many of their GPUs too.
Just wanted to point out that RT is actually a big deal these days and that statement is becoming dated, and inaccurate.
@@whaaaat_scoobs Hey man, if you got fat stacks, get that best gpu it's definitely cool! Obviously with that much horsepower, ray tracing is a non issue for you and toggling it on seems like a no brainer. However for people with less powerful gpus, losing half your frame rate and destroying image quality by replacing real frames with ai generated ones really sucks (especially at 1080p where the the ai has less pixels to work with).
However I am aware that some games use RT more tastefully, where it actually makes sense without breaking the performance bank. I am all for this kind of RT because it is viable at native resolutions, and doesn't just work on Nvidia cards ( you can tell that I'm an open source kind of guy :p).
I think once consoles are capable of ray tracing we're going to see it in many more games, and some of them might not even bother with normal lighting anymore, that's why people want to future proof their build with a ray tracing capable graphics card.
I can really tell how excited Alex is about this video. He cares so much about this, I love it.
It's scripted. All of it. Theres a few scenes where Alex is talking and you can see Linus mouthing the words off the prompter so he didn't miss his queue.
Not hating, it's just how it's done. Alex is just the better actor. (sorry Linus)
With the way energy prices are going in Europe right now at close to 1 euro per kwh, everyone should care about this. I for one am not paying more that 100watts on a 250w rated gpu to play videogames right now. I am undervolting everything and play video games at 90-100fps rather than 144fps, and it still costs me almost 5kwh per day to run my computer instead of close to 7 kwh per day if I leave everything as is. So yeah if I can save 50% power every month, at these prices, I'm damn well going to do it. I am shocked people would let a gpu run at 600w+ just to play UE4-caliber- video games
@@joshuamiller8235 actually I thought that the way Alex was rushing through certain segments to get to more juicy info was very indicative of his excitement. It's obviously scripted, the passion and engagement one has with the script is part of the performance, and it's notably turned up in this video.
@@TekedixXx fair enough :)
I've done a price/performance graph over time for current cards (available and new) in my area, and AMD has basically always had the top spots in the past year for that kind of value.
1usmus Hydra looks really cool, I'll definitely check that out when it comes out.
Well went team red today and I'm impressed with the color. RX6700xt took the place of a RTX3050, and the colors are deep. F1 2022, that was impressive, I almost beat my laptime within three laps instead of 10-15. The visuals were sweet, crisp and very clear, colors were defined. For such a noob as I and even I could tell the difference between the 3050 and the 6700. The VR experience was well worth the effort for a card swap. Cosmos just dialed right in, and just worked, and way better than the team green I got. Actually feel I did a well deserved engine swap, and replaced some bushings. Feels like the car sticks better to the road in F1, could just be the colors. For some t'was bells, for me it's the colors (of course it is!). With a 3080ti way above budget, at least I can do e-sports with team red and still eat real food. When I start winning, I can go green. Every race starts at a red light, guess that's where I am at, the red light (traffic light!!! Not "District!").
I wished Hydra could be used for RDNA 1 GPUs cause the chances of me upgrading with no money is zero and I'm trying everything I can to pull everything out of my 5700XT as I can. I've used Hydra for my 5600X, but I don't really need CPU tweaking if my GPU is chopped liver.
Been using the tool for a while now and it is AMAZING - getting the same performance but with much lower temps and power on my Zen 3 5950. Can't wait for the 7900xtx!
The market is so insanely exciting at the moment. I cant wait for what happens next in this legendary battle.
AMD and Nvidia are faking competition to conceal their duopoly.
Just like Pepsi and Coca
This is what happens when a market goes from insane demand to normal demand very suddenly.
Meh. Nvidia's launch was disappointing. We'll have to see what AMD's bring. But until Intel can compete on the market, it's still same old old. Some of can remember the years when AMD and Nvidia used to leapfrog each others in performance and price to performance.
8k bro bro bro bro 8k nobody will buy
should I go with rx 6700xt for 1080p gaming? I want a little future proofing? or should I wait? tell me please
I started out with an NVidia 8600 GT in my prebuilt back in... 2008 or so. Did it's job for a good while, was happy with it.
I switched to an AMD Radeon HD 5870 some years later. I had some initial problems, but that was faulty hardware and after two RMAs (first had the same problem, guess it was the same card again) I kept it running for a long time.
In 2015 or 2016 I built a new pc and decided to go with an R9 280X at that time. It eventually had a fan problem - one of the fans would occasionally spin at 100% for no reason.
Some years later, I believe it was early 2019 (maybe 2018), I bought a used 1060 6GB. I was a bit worried about buying used, but it worked fine. The system eventually ran into some trouble in VR (which I got March 2021), with lag spikes occuring frequently after spending about an hour in it. There were some audio issues as well.
My two 500GB hard drives had migrated from the 8600 GT system right up to here with a 3TB one added later. Old Windows installs were kept on some drives, when I got a SATA SSD I cloned one drive to that instead of reinstalling, when I got an M.2 I cloned again. I think my Windows 10 on the second PC had its roots in an upgraded Windows 7 from the first PC.
When I built my current PC in August 2021, an all AMD system with a 6600XT (bought a day or two after the release date), I decided to finally do a clean OS install instead of frankensteining the old install any further. Most problems I had before were gone (e.g. VR audio works fine now). I still have some old energy saving mode issues (the PC wakes up on its own, I wonder if the problem are some of my USB devices), but the big new problem was AMD driver corruptions that happened when the system activated power saving features (turning off the screen or going to sleep entirely). This started happening around new year and has since ended, but in the meantime I had to reinstall drivers about three times.
I guess I've had slightly more problems with AMD than NVidia, but the only real GPU driver issues were for a few months this year and could be avoided by turning off all power saving settings running on a timer (which might have been a CPU issue more than GPU for all I know). In games the AMD drivers have worked just fine for me.
I always thought of it like this, If I am stuck between 2 GPU's to pick I consider the OC ability of the slightly more expensive GPU. A 5% increase in performance for the stronger card is larger than a 5% increase in the weaker card.
Then from there I consider if the OC performance to price is worth it.
Last year I sold my 3070 for 900 bucks and bought a 6700XT for 600 and while the 3070 was a little bit better I’m
Very happy with the 6700XT and I would definitely consider AMD for a future upgrade.
What about the DLSS? The DLSS can tripple your frames while the FSR only gives you 10-20% boost, especially on games like Cyberpunk
@@hughjaenus2235 I haven’t found it needed for the games I play. But yes DLSS is becoming more of a factor. You need to look into what is needed for the games and resolutions you play at.
@@wertywerrtyson5529 that's why im planning to get an RTX 3070 instead of an AMD card, i saw a Cyberpunk video where DLSS changed the performance from 40fps to 140fps while still holding relatively the same image quality, that's a huuuuuge difference and advantage to the Nvidia GPU's, still i do think AMD is the budget king but personally im gonna save up and switch from my GTX 1070 TI to an RTX GPU
@@hughjaenus2235 That sounds like a lot more frames. Are you thinking of DLSS3? Because 3070 can’t do that only the 4000 series. But if DLSS2 can do that then that is impressive. I did play some Cuberpunk with my 3070 when I had it and honestly I wasn’t very impresssed but then I had a 1080p monitor at the time so DLSS was working from only a 720p image to upscale to 1080. I haven’t played much of the game with my 6700 and 1440p monitor because the game was a bit of a disappointment but personally I don’t think a 3070 is good enough if you want a good frame rate and Ultra graphics and raytracing. Of course it would do better than the 6700XT but I would look for a used 3080 or 3090 or get a 4000 series GPU when cheaper cards come out if you really want everything maxed. Without raytracing the 6700 XT is good enough and with it even the 3070 wasn’t very good at least back then. Maybe it has changed since I played it around spring last year.
@@wertywerrtyson5529 Oooooh gotcha, yeah im guessing it's the DLSS3 because the footage was capured on a RTX 4090, i never had an RTX card so i didn't fully know how the DLSS works, also yeah Cyberpunk is an unoptimized mess but i still love the atmosphere, sadly i won't be playing it because my GTX 1070 TI only runs at 40-60fps on the lowest settings, but it's not the main reason why i want an RTX 3070, im mostly interested in getting 144fps in games like COD MW2 and other upcoming shooters, for a singleplayer experience im fine with +80 fps as long as the mouse feels smooth. Also yeah im aware i should maybe be better off with an RTX 3080 or a better future proof card but im still a student and where i live an RTX 3070 costs 500 eur new and around 400 eur used, getting an RTX 3080 would put me in the 800 eur range and beyond that it's above 1k eur for other cards. as long as the card delivers 144fps at low - medium settings im fine with that but yeah thanks for the insight
AMD still need to catch up with regards to ray tracing performance. But at least with the new cards, they’re definitely a viable option compared to the 4080.
And AI
Who cares about live ray tracing as of today
@@MrBrax Many people do. Who are you to judge who needs it?
@@derechtedev9411 you're wrong because I played robloz
As someone who occasionally streams, id take nvidia though because of the nvenc.
The more you try to push towards the limit of DVFS curve(dynamic voltage frequency scaling) the more chances for the silicon to age and get slower faster. While loss of performance is a factor at higher voltages, reliability impact at low power state gets far higher degradation increasing power consumption while still delivering lower performance.
I would assume good skew/bin parts may stil be able to cope better but slow bin parts will be worse affected (where the user might be more tempted to use this).
12:23 &12:14 the price is mislabeled and is 390 for the oc column in case anyone was confused like me
I think I’m going to wait on these. I just ordered all new components for a new build and am waiting to see if some gpu prices come down a bit more. I think I’m going to go with a 6800 xt as I’m going to stick with 1440p. I have everything but the gpu. Thanks for your hard work Linus, your videos have helped me a lot!
I had a AMD Athlon and ATI card back in the day and when it came time to upgrade I went intel and Nvidia route for a couple of generations. This is the first time since my old PC that I'm all in on AMD. Just built a 7600x system and can't wait for the 7700xt-7800xt to be released. Loving the experience so far. So far I'm having less stability teething issues that sometimes come with new builds than I did with my intel/nvidia systems. Those previous systems served me well for many years, but I was so skeptical of AMD for so long because of driver issues with their old video cards that I overlooked them for a long time. Very excited for the future of pc gaming right now because of the incredible time we are in right now with hardware
I bought a 6900xt red devil ultimate about a year ago and couldn’t be happier, using the included OC bios with a little tuning in adrenaline
I wish similar tools existed for Intel CPU/Nvidia GPU. The 1usmus tools including the Ryzen CPU and RAM calculators are just so cool.
For me the open source drivers make the biggest difference, using my gtx 1660 in arch was a pain. It took so long for me to configure dual monitors, so AMDs resurgence would be a life saver.
I built my first PC with a RX 6600 and i5-12400F in the beginning of last month for 1080p gaming and it runs every game I throw at it really well. A great thing about it is the low power consumption which considery the energy costs in EU is a big plus for me.
I have not had any driver issues and the AMD software is quite nice, it even has presets for undervolting and overclocking.
Which games do you play at 1080p? Even I'm eager to build with the same config. Btw I'm from India
Actually that foliage dithering (02:30) may be seen in most games on AMD and Nvidia. Actually i made same switch (3080 to 6800 XT) and i really happy i did.
Appreciate you posting that, as I've spent hours chasing down if it was just my PC, or specifically using and AMD card. Using a potato previously I never noticed but upgrading a few years back it become really obvious.
Swapping from GTX950 & fx6300 to Rx6700XT & ryzen 5600x
Just built it as 1st timer and it booted!
Tommorow 2 days from now Will instalall the system etc
Can't wait
Been running my rx480 since early 2017. I can remember some early stutters with the drivers. However, i have not had any problems with them for years. Only issues were with a far from optimal eyefinity setup. I guess its good that it tried in the first place which cannot be said about nvidia.
Lol, funny, eyefinity is why I won't ever buy another AMD driver again. So many promises that didn't actually pan out. The Nvidia surround didn't work better, but they never told me it would with my setup and then reneged. AMD would say things like 'up to a 10% tolerance for pixel density allowed" and then refuse to allow you to enable it unless it was 100% 1:1 etc.
@@tonymorris4335 hmm, i have gotten a 2x1 +1 setup to work once with different resolution and aspect ratios. Bit of a faff to setup and shut down but it did work at one point.
3x1 with the middle being higher resolution and said different aspect ratio did actually work but with a black bar on it.
I'm looking forward to future driver updates, as recently they've drastically improved performance
Cougar is still making their power supply cable sheathing like that? That's pretty cool, actually. I remember almost buying a PSU and Case Combo from them some 15~ years ago for that specifically.
It took one year of updates before car numberplates and logos were rendered correctly in Forza Horizon 5 with my AMD card, otherwise the game has been running fine in a mix of high-ultra settings.
My observations of having 2 of these cards.
The latest AMD drivers are pretty good. I haven't had any crashes or bugs on my RX 6800 XT for a while. I also have a RTX 3080 12GB. In Firestrike the 6800 XT achieves a much higher score than the RTX 3080 12GB. In Timespy the 6800 XT achieves a slightly higher score than the RTX 3080 12GB. In Port Royal as expected the RTX 3080 12GB destroys the 6800 XT. In real world gaming without ray tracing they are very close in gaming. The ray tracing performance of 6800 XT performs similar to a RTX 3060 ti. The 6800 XT uses less power and doesn't dump so much heat into my case.
> The ray tracing performance of 6800 XT performs similar to a RTX 3060 ti.
Yup, people talk about AMD's RT like it's useless. When in fact it's totally adequate considering not that many games actually even implement RT well. With AMD you get more efficient GPUs, that provide more performance / per dollar. I think where this is even more pronounced is at the low end. rx6600 for instance offers amazing value for the money, that it doesn't makes sense to get anything else for under $300.
@@SirMo exactly.
I have to say I just bought an Rx 6700xt with my new PC that I just built. And it's amazing I haven't had a single issue with it and the oc headroom has been great for getting a little extra performances. Highly recommend
Let me guess 🙄 1080p 60hertz monitor
@@bumperxx1 Let me guess u don't even have a card but think u are edgy in a YT video
Nah hes right bro try running anything at 144 or 165 i have a 6700xt and they are trash at high frames
@@deadpool1966 At 1080p? Wut? Sounds like you have a CPU bottleneck or are trying to run at Ultra.
1080p is where RDNA does its best work - it falls away from Nvidia a bit at 4k as it starts racking up cache misses and there's not enough memory bandwidth available, but at 1080p a 6700XT performs like a 2080Ti - should be able to consistently max out a 144hz panel at High settings.
Even a 3090Ti will struggle to hit 144 consistently at Ultra settings @ 1080p - high refresh rate gamers should step down to High. At Ultra settings most games are just over rendering effects that you can't see anyway - 50% performance hit for differences you can only see if you're doing side by side screenshot comparisons.
@@winterscrescendo at 1080p 2 x 16gb ram b450 board an a r7 5800x water cooled 240mm aio all new nahhh
Honestly, I've been on AMD graphics since 2014 with an r9 270x and then an rx 580. The last time I had a major driver issue was in maybe 2015 when I had the bug where your fan speed would get stuck at 20%. Other than that it's been perfectly acceptable. I think I might have had a driver crash running DaVinci Resolve earlier this year? The bugs on my laptop with Intel integrated graphics have been far worse. For months I regularly lost GPU acceleration entirely whilst using Firefox, prime video often won't play in 1080p, and watching prime video in chromium browsers often caused driver crashes if I had the audacity to interact with it in any way.
Thats what all amd fanboys say. The will NEVER admit it. pathetic.
I always go with AMD. They may not be the “best” but they always have the best value for performance
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I always go with Nvidia. They're the best. Simple.
Also AMD has proper open source support on Linux which makes Nvidia a complete dealbreaker.
I chose 1660S instead of 5600XT because driver support and nvenc in 2020.
@@KevinJohnson-cv2no yes for the basic act of raping your wallet
I have bought the 5700xt and it was just the worst experience. Every game constantly crashing for no good reason and I have waited patiently for 6 MONTHS (!) because I was so sure that they will fix the driver, but the updates did not improve anything. And the "tech youtubers" were all over the moon for this GPU because it was "THE VERY BEST FOR THE BUCKET" and made big headlines "AMD kills NVIDIA blablabla", even though THEY KNEW about the driver problems, but simply called them "minor issues". And now im hearing that one of those tech youtubers even admits to not use AMD Card privately because of how bad they are ...
I've had 3 different cards from the 5000 series from AMD. 5500, 5600 and the 5700. Every single one of them had driver problems/black screen, besides them getting extremely hot and running on very high voltages compared to the NVIDIA gpu's. Yeah there were some days where they didn't have any issues and for their price that's good. But when it came to reliability and stability I couldn't bother using them long-term because of having the fear of crashing in the middle of a game one day which happened more often then I was content with so I switched them all over to NVIDIA gpu's. Im usually the type of guy who does not take sides be it INTEL vs AMD or NVIDIA. But just based on my experience with this series of AMD gpu's I won't be purchasing more red cards unless I know for sure they are rock solid with future generations.
damn thats super weird i got a 5700xt early 2020 and never had an issue
looks like only the 5000 series were a problem
you got me with that horse hopping, first ad from you that i watched in 2 years :)..
I have an RX 6700 XT, I am incredibly happy with it, I dual boot Arch Linux with Windows 11, this is an incredible experience
Similar here, I dual boot between Win10 and POP_OS! and I couldn't be happier. My 6700xt has been flawless. I had no issues playing with RT as well.
Currently still using my 980ti but before then I used to rock dual radeon hd 6950s. Never really had any issues with those cards. Matter of fact, I loved those cards because they had dual bios and you could flash them turning them into 6970s! It was basically free performance for less money. Anyways, I plan on upgrading my 980ti with a a 7900XTX next year. So going back to team red.
thats one hell of an upgrade lol
@@mcgamescompany Yup. I'm excited. I was going to upgrade sooner but GPU prices have been crazy the last 2 years. Hopefully my next build also lasts me another 7 years!
same here, i also currently use 980Ti. After the reviews are up i will decide whether i go for 7900xtx or 4080
@@windrincar 7900 XTX DESTROYS 4080, and trades GOOD blows with 4090. İt is also 200 dolars cheaper than 4080.
@@AotO_DJ especially if you don't care about RTX or productivity applications, there is no good excuse to save the money and buy AMD imo
I used to have a Nitro RX 480 and loved it. There was one driver update that completely messed up and I just reverted the driver and stuck it out until I got my RTX 2080.
Will you guys make a video of what you can do with a 6800 on this software? I'm super intrigued
I remember being in my dorm room back in 2011 playing WoW, Mass Effect, & BioShock with my All-AMD system.
Had an FX-8350, Radeon HD 7970, Sabertooth 990FX motherboard, in a Corsair Vengeance C70 case. Those were the days!!
Can’t wait to pull the trigger on a 7900 XTX to replace my 2080 Super! Really feels like the right time to go back in. Last time I had a Radeon card was with my 6700K and a RX 480!
Wtf??? I have the EXACT same components... I just switched out the card for a AMD 570 8 gig so my daughter can use it as a racing rig for her Truck Simulator games... Still going strong all these years later... 👍
One of the reasons I dumped my HD5700 was because it had video or memory clock issue at idle that caused my secondary and tertiary monitors to randomly lose sync when playing videos. Extremely annoying and never got fixed. Having only 1GB of VRAM was also starting to cause random visual corruption from running out of GPU memory and official driver support had ended. The 1050Ti I replaced it with solved all of the issues I had.
Hi graphs at 12:17 have the prices mislabeled!
Those exact drivers (22.5.2 and later) completely broke video playback in VRchat, causing instant crashing until recently and still today they don't work properly. Amd drivers are still unstable, they have just optimised for the popular titles that reviewers test.
Last month I got a 6800XT for 150€ less than any half decent RTX 3080 and I couldn't be happier. The card is absolutely slaying in 4K, has been super stable and there are so many nice features in Radeon software (big or small)
this is great news for me, i bought a 6800xt on a 50% off sale last week and i've been stressing out over if i made a good buy.
@@fruustles 50% over MSRP? Ooooofff you what yourself a crazy deal man. It's going to be awesome
Holyy ONLY 150€
Navi21 (6800, 6800XT, 6900XT) is an extremely well designed chip, incredible performance/watt and scalability
I've never understood the desire for performance per watt. It's not a mobile GPU and won't be used on batteries. Reducing wattage almost always reduces performance. If power consumption is an issue to people for some reason, just buy a slower GPU. I'd rather have AMD put out a faster, more power hungry GPU.
Running the reference 6800 happily. It was the most powerful card that could fit in my case.
@@rubiconnn High efficiency lets you cheap out on the PSU, and cooling for the case, CPU, and even room. Also you don't need a 4 slot GPU cooler. But then again if the wattage was reduced by cutting RT, compute, encoding, or some other feature you want, then it doesn't matter
@@fishymachine Not only that right now if you have a computer room with 2 computers and get 4090s, they will need to be on separate breakers with average 15 amp breaker in American homes will trip. I know me and my GF have our desks next to each other. Even having to consider the load on a breaker is a new concept for gaming...
A 15 amp breaker is 1800 watts. It is recommended to not load breakers past 80% which is around 1440 watts.
For 380 dollars, I landed a RX6800 that OCs to a base XT on timespy. The XT easily OCs past a 3090 non-TI using AMD's native software. That isn't even mentioning the 6900 and 6950. People really slept on the RX 6000 series and rushed to pay double price with nvidia smh
i did this with my polaris gpu, and now doing with the vega 56. its called undervolt and it works really well.
with my vega i can push more processing power, lower power usage and with that lower temps
So I was deciding between the 2080 and 6700 just recently and I went with the 6700. I always have been a nvidia fanboy but I really wanted to try something different. Plus it was with in my budget for my first beefy video card. Once I have this my custom rig will be complete, out side of storage. The issue with storage now is there are so many hard drive scams out there online that I feel it responsible for people to let know of this. Many huge online retailers have them won't name names but if you are able go direct through the manufacturers website, or a trusted 3rd party vendor. Thanks! Long story short, nvidia is way to expensive for me to feel justified for any of there cards atm, which was also my major driving force of buying Radeon. I'm not trying to sell nvidia short though I love them, just my wallet doesn't lol. I will test it thoroughly, but with out over clocking because I just don't have experience with it at all.
I feel the same way About Nvidia: they are just to expensive to warrant spending 20%--50% more compared to AMD for only a few % better performance. It's a no brainer for most people to get the cheaper option that is STILL HIGH QUALITY. But then again, when it comes to PC building and gamers/enthusiasts, I think it's easy for a lot of people to want to buy the best of the best of the best... Every year or 2 LOL. IN MY OPINION, you should dish out (what you can afford and if the $ makes sense) to get something that will last you for years to come. I'd say at least 2/3 years.
@@boopy123 Most of my rigs have lasted from 5 to 10 years, i feel this rig will be no different. I'm in no need to purchase a video card every 2 years because something more expensive or maxes out the preformance of a older card.
Two years ago, the very last GPUs that were still around at non-scalper prices in late November 2020 were the Radeon RX 5000 series. I was building my first system, and really wanted to get my hands on a 3060 TI when it came out, but was worried because Nvidia had been waiting so long to announce it, it would almost certainly sell out immediately, and also with the intense budget I was under, I'll admit even a $400 card was really stretching my wallet. Ideally I had wanted a 2060, but at that point the whole RTX 2000 series was already being scalped as well.
On the other hand, Newegg was still literally having SALES on the RX 5600XT and 5700XT, but I'll admit I was still pretty darn nervous about getting an AMD card. As someone who was very new to the building community, all I had heard my whole life was "AMD bad". Still, eventually the lack of even news on the 3060 TI mixed with my anxiety over wore me down, and upon doing some research online that although the 5600XT had some major driver issues at launch, they were mostly ironed out, I jumped and bought a factory OC'd 3-fan 5600XT on sale for just $300.
Two years later, and I've honestly had no reasons to complain. I absolutely believe the stories I've heard from other people about their issues with older Radeon cards, and even the RX 5000 series, but I seem to have hopped on at just the right time for most of those issues to be gone, and instead I just lucked out on getting a great card right before all graphics cards were completely gone from the market. I may have bought into Radeon somewhat out of desperation, but I've been pleased as a peach with my card in the two years since then.
I bought one for a budget build I was doing for my little brother and was surprised to see it performing as well as all the other cards I've had since
I had a lot of issues with my 5700 XT when I first got it. I vowed to never purchase an AMD GPU again because of how salty I was from the experience but its been clear that over the last few years, AMD has really devoted a lot R&D to improving drivers and the Adrenaline software. Its been a bumpy road but I can now say its great and I'm excited to get my hands on an RX 7000 series GPU.
Great video guys! A great send off for RDNA 2 and primer for RDNA-3. I noticed allot of red/blue color scheming in both the graphs and elsewhere in the video. The mouse and the monitor stand seemed like stylized thematic choices. The stand especially really was a nice Radeon fit. I’m curious if the color styling was intentional not Green? At first I was kind of tripped up by the red bars in the graph thinking they were associated with AMD. I would suggest color coding by brand, and differentiating min/peak performance with tints and shades of the brands base color.
I think this was my favorite episode with Alex in it yet, I loved his cheeky grin in the backpack scene. Overall I really enjoyed his fun playful vibe in this video. Is this what happens when linus goes on vacation? Ha ha, when the cats away the mice will play lol I’ve seen in psychological research that people often make more mistakes when being watched doing a task. But I don’t think that explains it, I think it’s love based. There’s fear of the authoritarian, and then there’s love for the idol.
I would guess the whole crew really looks up to Linus and wants him to love them. I wonder how that may influence all the various cast members who are like “watch this trick dad” and then stumble in a moment of anxiety. I wonder if Linus just hanging with the boys would help alleviate dynamics of being star struck. Ultimately everyone wants linus to like them, in their hobbies and ideas to, which can induce some anxiety I would imagine.
Maybe linus going on vacation gave the whole office a vacation from that emotional weight of managing their daily “hanging out with the hot chick” experience of working with a real life celebrity. The whole crew got to experience each other in a fresh newness where their energies were focused towards bonding with each other and found cheerful new energy. In all that sweet Nerdy Camaraderie. To put it simply, siblings behave differently when dad isn’t around. They find their own flow and that may be a powerful insight for LTT to leverage in some way as Linus slowly transforms into a Santa Claus like living god with many an elf in many a workshop.
Some people are colorblind and cannot differentiate red and green by hue.
12:16 when showing the 6700 XT OC performance there’s a 540$ under it. Guessing that’s a typo thought I’d point it out
@10:37 started sounding like one of the default ringtones on Android. Got PTSD of work phone sounds on a sunday
Just did a build a couple weeks back with a Ryzen 5600 and a 6700xt that was over $100 cheaper than a 3060to brand new. Have to say, I haven’t had any issues at all. Great Series X replacement!
same combo i’m looking at buying . upgrading from 1700x and gtx 970. how’s it working for you so far?
@@TWFractured I have the exact same specs and it's great. I can play any game I want at very good settings and resolution. Also the mod that lets you use fsr 2.1 in dlss-only titles was a game changer. On a 4k tv with fsr 2.1 modded in I play cyberpunk with almost ultra settings and even a little bit of raytracing (local shadows like what the consoles have) at 4k res with fsr 2.1 performance mode. It looks crisp, 60 fps and it's beautiful. Similar story with Plague Tale Requiem. The only thing I'm missing is some more raytracing performance, but I'd never get enough with any similarly priced nvidia card anyway. And the 5600 keeps steady 60 fps in cyberpunk even with the "astonishing" crowd setting (present in the game files for a future update but unlocked with a mod). The streets are literally flooded with npcs but the game stays smooth and stable
@@TWFractured Working great tho I need to do a mobo update for the dreaded Windows 11 ftpm stutter. Gonna do that tonight as my bios is older and does not have the fix.
Currently playing COD MW2 balanced settings at 4k with fsr quality getting anywhere from 100-140fps.
@@UomoCattivodeiBoschi awesome thanks for the detailed reply. the 6700xt is just such good value compared to what you’d get from nvidia for the same price. i also have a freesync monitor that i’ve read has mixed results if trying to use gsync so seems like amd is definitely the way to go
@@mikem2253 is it worth it to upgrade to W11 once the stutter is resolved? like is there performance benefit?
This is why I bought an RX 6600. Even at the $280 i bought it at during the tail end of the GPU shortage, the price to performance is insane, not to mention the power draw. I get about 90 fps average on pretty much max settings at 1080p in Shadow of the Tomb Raider. All while drawing under 60W and staying under 70C. In most games I actually notice my CPU (R5 5600X) drawing 20-50% more power than my gpu! Once I get enough fans for my case I'm definitely going to try and overclock the snot out of it just to see how far I can make it go.
Consider undervolting the CPU or just turning on ECO mode on it. It should surprisingly do well with minimal performance loss, but compare benchmarks just in case...
the 6600 chips are insane. i have a 6600 xt and it draws just about 90 watts under max gaming load, but in my usual gaming loads in esports titles - it draws only 20, which is under half of my undervolted ryzen 5 3600
9:50 correction - only desktop overclockers. Voltage is completely locked on both mobile CPU-s and GPU-s. *EVEN* on Ryzen 9 HX series which is officially marketed as *unlocked* by AMD.