The best way i have found is to set the rudder hard over. Run a snubber line to a midship cleat to force the boat to ride at an angle to the wind/current
Thank you for your videos. If I understand your problem in recovering the anchor ring, is holding the anchor ring's weight while manoeuvring it from the chain. If that understanding is near the mark, the following may help to solve your problem. . From this and some of your previous videos, your anchor winch appears to be dedicated to the chain rode and has no capstan to use with rope, which means that, at present, you have no power driven option to raise the ring. Firstly I suggest that you lower the ring before fitting the snubber and remove the snubber before you recover the ring. This will simplify fitting and removing the ring. I suggest that you tie a rope (or sheet or line if you prefer) to your extended bow roller while you recover the ring. If you tie a suitable hook to the lower end of that rope at a suitable height to support the ring, the weight you need to hold will be reduced while you remove the ring from the chain. Tying the rope as near as possible to the bow roller will keep the anchor ring close to the anchor chain, which should help. Depending on the layout of your bow rail, you may be able to tie the rope to support the hook from the bow rail above the anchor rode, Instead of from the bow roller bracket. This may let you recover the anchor ring from the bow rather than from a tender. I hope that some of the above is of use to you. All the best with your boating.
Thank you for the thoughtful observations and recommendations. I think you’re spot on with ever one of them. We’ll be heading out for a month to Canada and will be on the hook for about half of our time so, we’ll have some great opportunities to try the revised approach out! Have a great ready of your week!
Put it onto the chain and drop it down some before hooking up your snubber assembly. When you want to retrieve, take in the anchor chain some with your windlass, unhook the snubber/bridle setup and only then retrieve the ring. This way, you are only passing one thing (the anchor chain) through the ring whether installing or retrieving.
I would say great for anchor retrieval, good for not swinging but would not want to use this in bad weather. It will be next to impossible to get this off when the anchor starts dragging or when you have to lift anchor in case of an emergency. I saw your chain, does not look too big. Ever thought about going to a larger, therefore heavier size chain ? We have a 13 mm chain and in calm winds the chain goes straight to the bottom, we swing a bit, but nothing drastic. However, I know you have the Stab 20 and if you would put that in flip mode you will also stop the swinging a lot. You will put more force on the chain and anchor, so make sure you have enough chain out, you don't want to create your own dragging.
Looks like an interesting solution to the swinging for sure. However, if the winds really picked up and you started dragging the anchor and needed to get the anchor up, for whatever reason and re-anchor, that looks like a complete PITA to deal with. Did you figure out a better solution to retrieving this vs. what you showed on the video? I'd love to stop so much swinging around but not at the expense of safety during very strong winds (we get these crazy storms that just come out of nowhere and aren't forecasted). Thoughts?
I agree with your assessment. We use it exclusively for retrieving a stuck anchor now. The zero speed stabilizers really keep us from moving around as aggressively as we used to. However, that’s a ridiculously expensive fix for the problem.
Very interested in this as we have a Bayliner "sailboat" that swings like crazy at anchor as well. Might try the suggestion to use a snubber on the bridal. Thanks for the video....
Just a possible solution not totally sure of your set up but, in sequence 1 remove the bridal, then raise the anchor with the line attached to the ring wound onto the windlass capstan when it reaches close to the top of the remove from the chain, could also remove the bridal lock off the anchor chain. And use the windlass capstan to lift the ring
While it can not be used for retrieving an anchor, the NZ Anchor Buddy or Anchor Rider is a better kettle. It's still tricky to take off, but if you put your boat in reverse and tighten the chain it make is much easier to install and remove.
Interesting that it would reduce your boat swinging The kellett Set up That ive seenhave a hook designed to slide down the chain Allowing you to Deploy at whatever depth you want To Retrieve it You can just lift it off the chain And then over the side at the appropriate time . perhaps you could have got rid of the bridal or snubbed setup using this kelttet? Can you go Into more detail about the stabilizer you used to stop swinging? Cheers Warren
Very interesting problem. I've seen Trawlers with an eye close to the waterline. It shaves several feet off from deck height and reduces the angle of the snubber that attaches to the chain. I've never had to deal with such a problem and only wish I could help. But it is a very good topic to dive into. So, Jon you used Karlynn as click bait and then give me homework and no Karlynn!..lol...Have a great week!
Surely an additional anchor off the stern solves the swinging problem. Be careful of any nearby boats at anchor though. Normally all boats swing in unison, but if you are held fast, a neighbouring boat on a long line may swing into you
Good suggestion. Unfortunately, most of the anchorages we have in our area are extremely tight and crowded. We added zero speed fin stabilization that permanently dived the problem. Have a great day!
Stern anchors are not practical in plzcez,where tidal currents changes direction every 6 hours. You would have the other boats swinging into you at tide,change. Additionally a stern anchor into wind or current puts a lot more load onto the anchor system . Cheers warren
I like gadgets, but that one seems to be a pain to reduce swing %.. Especially if you have to drop the dinghy in order to remove it.. Even a simple light weight stern anchor would be a lot easier and end a bigger % of swing, possibly any at all.. Just a thought..
I think you should try the old trick of anchoring as usual and then lowering another anchor to the bottom with only a few meters extra line, like the depth times 1.2 That anchor will dampen the oscillations just as well as the ring around the chain.
Get a proper Kellet. Easy. I have even used my scuba weight belt. And how much did that cost?? Looks like over $800!! Ouch. But thanks for the info. Good demo.
You’re using it as a kellet, which could be any type of much cheaper weight. Kellets only work in light air. In heavy winds/current the rode will go tight and lift the kellet off the sea floor, negating any reduced swing. IMHO kellets are a waste of time, effort and money. You illustrated very nicely how they complicate anchoring also. Imagine undoing that mess in a strong wind. If you want to reduce swing you can offset your bridle, attaching one leg amidships, or further astern, to hold the boat at an angle. You could also deploy a stern anchor, or even a bucket. People also have success with a “riding sail” a small sail deployed at the aft end of the boat.
Technically that is called surging and yawing. Swinging is something else. My sailboat does the same thing and I have to use a riding sail at anchor. Basically, this is a small jib mounted on the backstay to sail the boat backwards.
I think it would be a more useful video if you'd first gained some experience with it. Okay, now I know what a first use is like by someone more experienced than me , and that'll get stuck on the snubber, so why would I bother? Also anchor tracking with and without, perhaps a time lapse would better show before and after.
"Does the ULTRA Anchor Ring Stop your boat from swinging while anchored?" Short answer: No. Why would it? That's NOT what it's for...like, at all. Very strange question to use a title.
Might be a good topic to take up with Ultra, they state on their website, “By adding extra weight on the chain, the Ultra Marine Anchor Ring reduces the vessel swing area and works as a shock absorber, improving comfort at anchor by reducing boat movement.” At any rate, it worked!
@@ElliYacht1 I've seen boats swing when there is an incompatible (direction wise) mix of current and wind. But looks like you were on a lake there. Should be minimal current. Your boat has a lot of windage. It's getting lift and then rounding up and falling off just like a sailboat. Interesting problem. I know a couple things I'd try I don't know for certain what your solution would be. That ring would be the bottom of my list.
The best way i have found is to set the rudder hard over. Run a snubber line to a midship cleat to force the boat to ride at an angle to the wind/current
Thank you for your videos.
If I understand your problem in recovering the anchor ring, is holding the anchor ring's weight while manoeuvring it from the chain.
If that understanding is near the mark, the following may help to solve your problem. .
From this and some of your previous videos, your anchor winch appears to be dedicated to the chain rode and has no capstan to use with rope, which means that, at present, you have no power driven option to raise the ring.
Firstly I suggest that you lower the ring before fitting the snubber and remove the snubber before you recover the ring. This will simplify fitting and removing the ring.
I suggest that you tie a rope (or sheet or line if you prefer) to your extended bow roller while you recover the ring. If you tie a suitable hook to the lower end of that rope at a suitable height to support the ring, the weight you need to hold will be reduced while you remove the ring from the chain.
Tying the rope as near as possible to the bow roller will keep the anchor ring close to the anchor chain, which should help.
Depending on the layout of your bow rail, you may be able to tie the rope to support the hook from the bow rail above the anchor rode, Instead of from the bow roller bracket.
This may let you recover the anchor ring from the bow rather than from a tender.
I hope that some of the above is of use to you.
All the best with your boating.
Thank you for the thoughtful observations and recommendations. I think you’re spot on with ever one of them. We’ll be heading out for a month to Canada and will be on the hook for about half of our time so, we’ll have some great opportunities to try the revised approach out! Have a great ready of your week!
would a sea anchor off the stern not be an easier solution?
Good video. Wish the camera had zoomed in on the chart plotter so we could see the track of the anchor swing.
Put it onto the chain and drop it down some before hooking up your snubber assembly. When you want to retrieve, take in the anchor chain some with your windlass, unhook the snubber/bridle setup and only then retrieve the ring. This way, you are only passing one thing (the anchor chain) through the ring whether installing or retrieving.
I would say great for anchor retrieval, good for not swinging but would not want to use this in bad weather. It will be next to impossible to get this off when the anchor starts dragging or when you have to lift anchor in case of an emergency.
I saw your chain, does not look too big. Ever thought about going to a larger, therefore heavier size chain ? We have a 13 mm chain and in calm winds the chain goes straight to the bottom, we swing a bit, but nothing drastic.
However, I know you have the Stab 20 and if you would put that in flip mode you will also stop the swinging a lot. You will put more force on the chain and anchor, so make sure you have enough chain out, you don't want to create your own dragging.
Agreed
Went on the website. Their video shows exactly how to do it. If you want to make it feel half as heavy, I'd say get a couple blocks and twice the rope
Looks like an interesting solution to the swinging for sure. However, if the winds really picked up and you started dragging the anchor and needed to get the anchor up, for whatever reason and re-anchor, that looks like a complete PITA to deal with. Did you figure out a better solution to retrieving this vs. what you showed on the video? I'd love to stop so much swinging around but not at the expense of safety during very strong winds (we get these crazy storms that just come out of nowhere and aren't forecasted). Thoughts?
I agree with your assessment. We use it exclusively for retrieving a stuck anchor now. The zero speed stabilizers really keep us from moving around as aggressively as we used to. However, that’s a ridiculously expensive fix for the problem.
Very interested in this as we have a Bayliner "sailboat" that swings like crazy at anchor as well. Might try the suggestion to use a snubber on the bridal. Thanks for the video....
Just a possible solution not totally sure of your set up but, in sequence 1 remove the bridal, then raise the anchor with the line attached to the ring wound onto the windlass capstan when it reaches close to the top of the remove from the chain, could also remove the bridal lock off the anchor chain. And use the windlass capstan to lift the ring
That is the biggest shiniest ring I have ever seen! 😃
While it can not be used for retrieving an anchor, the NZ Anchor Buddy or Anchor Rider is a better kettle. It's still tricky to take off, but if you put your boat in reverse and tighten the chain it make is much easier to install and remove.
Interesting that it would reduce your boat swinging
The kellett Set up That ive seenhave a hook designed to slide down the chain Allowing you to Deploy at whatever depth you want
To Retrieve it You can just lift it off the chain And then over the side at the appropriate time . perhaps you could have got rid of the bridal or snubbed setup using this kelttet?
Can you go Into more detail about the stabilizer you used to stop swinging?
Cheers Warren
Very interesting problem. I've seen Trawlers with an eye close to the waterline. It shaves several feet off from deck height and reduces the angle of the snubber that attaches to the chain. I've never had to deal with such a problem and only wish I could help. But it is a very good topic to dive into. So, Jon you used Karlynn as click bait and then give me homework and no Karlynn!..lol...Have a great week!
Surely an additional anchor off the stern solves the swinging problem. Be careful of any nearby boats at anchor though. Normally all boats swing in unison, but if you are held fast, a neighbouring boat on a long line may swing into you
Good suggestion. Unfortunately, most of the anchorages we have in our area are extremely tight and crowded. We added zero speed fin stabilization that permanently dived the problem. Have a great day!
Stern anchors are not practical in plzcez,where tidal currents changes direction every 6 hours. You would have the other boats swinging into you at tide,change. Additionally a stern anchor into wind or current puts a lot more load onto the anchor system .
Cheers warren
I like gadgets, but that one seems to be a pain to reduce swing %.. Especially if you have to drop the dinghy in order to remove it.. Even a simple light weight stern anchor would be a lot easier and end a bigger % of swing, possibly any at all.. Just a thought..
I think you should try the old trick of anchoring as usual and then lowering another anchor to the bottom with only a few meters extra line, like the depth times 1.2
That anchor will dampen the oscillations just as well as the ring around the chain.
Great advice
We use a stern anchor to stop the boat from slewing. Nothing for scope, just enough to handle tide.
Move the harness to a link below the ring
Get a proper Kellet. Easy. I have even used my scuba weight belt. And how much did that cost?? Looks like over $800!! Ouch. But thanks for the info. Good demo.
What size ring did you use?
When you pull the ring to the surface I would tie it off just in case you drop it while working it off the chain.
There is an easy fix......buy a Catamaran. 😂 did you notice the Cat in front hardly moved.😊
@@SVPearler no question. However, the ring is a bit less expensive than a cat. Maybe in the future, that will be an option.
Do you have a link for this?
Here you go! www.ultramarine-anchors.com/anchor-ring
The anchor behavior is called "horsing".
love your vdo.
Thanks a lot
drop a stern anchor, that will help with holding more steadily.
💯 agree on an open anchorage. In a tight anchorage, when all the boats swing, a stern anchor almost guarantees a close encounter with your neighbor.
You’re using it as a kellet, which could be any type of much cheaper weight. Kellets only work in light air. In heavy winds/current the rode will go tight and lift the kellet off the sea floor, negating any reduced swing. IMHO kellets are a waste of time, effort and money. You illustrated very nicely how they complicate anchoring also. Imagine undoing that mess in a strong wind.
If you want to reduce swing you can offset your bridle, attaching one leg amidships, or further astern, to hold the boat at an angle. You could also deploy a stern anchor, or even a bucket. People also have success with a “riding sail” a small sail deployed at the aft end of the boat.
We’re heading out Monday. I’ll try all of those great ideas!
Looks like more of a pain in the ass than it's worth. Maybe if there was a winch type dealio ?
Agreed.
Technically that is called surging and yawing. Swinging is something else. My sailboat does the same thing and I have to use a riding sail at anchor. Basically, this is a small jib mounted on the backstay to sail the boat backwards.
Great info!
You just need a keel mate...
Can’t disagree
Looks like you must first remove your bridle as your chafing gear is too large.
I think it would be a more useful video if you'd first gained some experience with it. Okay, now I know what a first use is like by someone more experienced than me , and that'll get stuck on the snubber, so why would I bother? Also anchor tracking with and without, perhaps a time lapse would better show before and after.
Calling it a "giant pain in the ass", isn't really a good selling point.
😂 we’re not really trying to sell’em… just sharing the facts.
@@ElliYacht1 ahh.
I don't own a boat and live in the mountains.
WTF am I doing here?
Haha 😂
"Does the ULTRA Anchor Ring Stop your boat from swinging while anchored?" Short answer: No.
Why would it? That's NOT what it's for...like, at all. Very strange question to use a title.
Might be a good topic to take up with Ultra, they state on their website, “By adding extra weight on the chain, the Ultra Marine Anchor Ring reduces the vessel swing area and works as a shock absorber, improving comfort at anchor by reducing boat movement.”
At any rate, it worked!
Are you sure your rudder(s) is (are) amidships once you have set the hook? I'm disregarding the ring for the time being.
Good question yes we do.
@@ElliYacht1 I've seen boats swing when there is an incompatible (direction wise) mix of current and wind. But looks like you were on a lake there. Should be minimal current. Your boat has a lot of windage. It's getting lift and then rounding up and falling off just like a sailboat. Interesting problem. I know a couple things I'd try I don't know for certain what your solution would be. That ring would be the bottom of my list.