When I think 'rally', I think 'Monte Carlo' and 'Sweden', both of which are DLC. I can't understand how its ok that remastered stages can be DLC. As much as I like Codemasters, I feel like this is really shady
Monte Carlo is actually big upgrade over the first one (physics wise). It's much more challenging and realistic this time, with truly hazardous ice patches and ice sections. It has become my favourite stage out of all stages in DR 2.0, I hated it in DR 1. Sweden is more visual upgrade though. And bringing Germany sucks, we don't need tarmac rallies with (still) bad tarmac physics. Should have remastered Finland or Wales
@@JustDevon If these were in DR2 release, they would repeat DR1. I'm sure not everyone is interested in paying for or playing same content twice. These DLC are for those who dont have DR1 and for completionists.
I wouldn't say I'm buying less games, but I am waiting longer for price drops to offset the extra DLC "fees". Or I'll wait even longer and get the "special" editions on sale.
So.. If you dont wanna play this magnificent piece of gaming.. just dont buy it ? it isnt like you are forced to buy dlc if you buy the game. And also, its just stupid. It is no freakin rip off. it would be a WASTE to not remaster the locations from DR1, every single meter of them is handcrafted, plus with updated physics, graphics and the new terrain thing. and wouldnt you feel more ripped off if it was in the base game ? also its like the price of half a pizza.
@VR Driver yeah the game everyone hated when new has actually turned out better than everything else, ironic how a studio everyone thought was terrible is now better than the ones everyone loved
Thank you for not just writing off critics of this game's DLC as just mindless haters. Dirt Rally 2.0 really does look good, but not good enough for the money Codemasters is asking. Also nice glasses. They look sharp!
The DLC is generally priced fairly and it's NOT new content. So it's not a core part of the game that is "missing". I know you'd probably like these for free, but that's not sustainable. The standalone game has more content than DR1.0
The price isn't that terrible when you consider that the Deluxe edition is double the price of Dirt Rally 1 and comes with double the stages, (at least after they're finished releasing them) but it still feels wrong to be paying extra for something that came with the original game's base price; even more so if you're a returning player and now buying the same thing twice.
I got it free on ps plus at one point never played it got a rig for ps5 and now love this game. Since I got it free I bought the DLCs happily. But I could understand it's messed up for a full price game
Same as every game now a days released half done and them make you pay for the stuff that should already be in the game or added for free after release
The game already has more stages and stage distance than DR1, including track degradation variations. How is adding more content for free sustainable? The price of the DLC is actually quite low.
@@singami465 dirt rally 2 has literally the same amount of rally stages as dirt rally 1....six stages. AND its missing the pikes peak hill climb. sequels are supposed to expand off the base game, not offer the exact same, or less amount of features. dirt rally 1 was already pretty lackluster on content, its not out of the realm of possibility to have 8-9 rally stages to ship with a full priced game. you act like doing the bare minimum (tweaking the game engine, and offering a few new stages) is commendable.
@@singami465 The stages in Dirt rally 1 were all handcrafted. The stages in Dirt rally 2.0 seem to have been partially generated and aren't to the same detail. No hillclimbs, and rallycross doesn't count. Fuck rallycross. I'm all for DLC of new stages,but it would have been nice for it to be new content instead of remasters. For the sake of 3 dollars per DLC it would have made more business sense for codies to add it for free. I don't think I'd be alone in being willing to pay more money for NEW CONTENT.
What I've learned from the comments section is that it's ok to buy yet another racetrack simulator with same cars and tracks, while it is NOT ok to buy yet another rally simulator with same cars and tracks.
Nope. Codemasters is intentionally withholding and forcing you to pay again for content you already had. That's not ok. No one with half a brain complains about buying the game again. They complain about having to buy DLC for DR2 that was included in the base game of DR. That is absolutely ridiculous. Don't be a tool.
how? at least with games like forza 5,6,and 7 they take the base game and add to it. each iteration has more and more stages. If forza went the dirt rally 2.0 route, forza 7 would have shipped completely missing the nurburgring, and later on they will re sell you hockenhiem, spa, and, monza for an extra 30 bucks. with each iteration of forza there is a bigger number of cars, tracks, and features such as forza vista available on every car. they ADD to the game. not take away.
@@joaopaulo-ms5it have ya heard of iracing, everything in that game is a dlc and it's a subscription not a one time purchase for the Sim. If you don't have a problem with iracing then you can't really complain about dlcs
The winter tyres/tires (however you say it) has spikes sticking out. The more ice it is, the more grip you have, or else you just slips on the snow, gravel or tarmac. Sometimes you can find a spike or two that the rallycar dropped if you're lucky.
Pretty sure 'tyre' is British English and elsewhere and 'tire' is the North American spelling. Interestingly, Canada also uses the American 'tire', yet Canada normally uses British English, not American.
Why wasn't this in the base game? I'd hazard a guess - money and time. The base game includes six brand new countries - same as the original Dirt Rally for the same amount of money (talking about the final version here, not about the early access). Let's just assume that six countries was all they could manage to include in the base game, again, due to financial and time reasons (because we have to remember that if this was included in the base game, it would need to be done several months back, and it's pretty clear they are still working on it before they release these DLC). Would you rather have six brand new countries with new stages, or a mix of new and updated content? Which countries would you leave as DLC and which you would include in the base game? It's a no-win scenario in that case - people will complain either way. If you only include the new countries and sell the updated old ones as DLC, you will have people complaining that "it's recycled content sold as DLC and should've been in the base game on release". If you include some of the updated old countries and some of the new ones, you will once again have people complain that the game has recycled content and you have to pay to get the new stuff. Like I said, a no-win scenario. I mean you yourself are complaining about how "it's the same stage as before"...would you be complaining less if this was included instead of one of the new countries the game features? Yes, in an ideal world, the base game would contain both new content and the old updated one. But we don't live in an ideal world, and compromises have to be made quite often. And it really doesn't have to be because the company is greedy or something like that - it might simply be a matter of what's feasible and what is not. At least when it's done like this, with the new content included in the base game and the old updated content sold as DLC, you can completely ignore the DLC if you're not interested in running the old stages again in the new game with updated visuals and physics. And it also has to be said the pricing of the Dirt Rally 2 DLC is as user-friendly as it gets - car DLC costs 2 euro per car and country DLC costs 3 euro. Since the DLC is released every two weeks either two cars or a new country, that means on average, you're required to pay less than 2 euro per week to get all the DLC. That's pretty much as cheap as it can get, even for people on a tight budget. And there's also always the chance that if the DLC sell well, we might get more original content later. Oh, and you also don't have to own the DLC to be able to race the stages online - that's also a pretty nice gesture in my book.
exactly! but your point on Jimmy's comment of 'its the same stage as before', yeah they are, but they are IRL stages rather than the shit (IMO) computer generated stages. so its like someone complaining about the next release of AC has exactly the same Monza... well.. yeah.. of course it does... although i will agree that it would of been nice to have had a cheeky new short stage in there maybe, but as you say, when they weight up the time vs what's feasible
I expect they had to make significant investment to make their engine able to support modern rendering techniques, but yeah at least they could at least make them slightly different stages rather than the ones they originally made for those locations.
I don't even care anymore, I stop buying games 10 years ago, Im just download from torrents not giving a single cent, criticize me all you want, game makers not getting more poor from my choices
Guys, dont buy the dlcs, just Google "dirt rally 2 unlocker" and ready, the content Is already included in the game even if you haven't bought any DLC, u just need to unlock it
@@violinfanatickamraz1403 that's why i said Google it, long story short, you use a different .exe and dll files that override the locked content, for example, i was playing with the m1 procar just when they released the Montecarlo rally, since with the update all the content was on the game even if i haven't bought the dlc
Lotus AMG imma have to try that out and tbh on ps4 the graphics are eh they could be. ALOT better but imma give that a try cause I struggle to see in the day time and thank you for getting back to me much appreciated!
Because they are bloody greedy! No matter how good this game may be, the business practise is despicable enough for me not to give any money to Codemasters.
I was in an R5 Fiesta today - it was recce for the Pirelli International this weekend. My understanding of grip on gravel has changed considerably. There's just so much grip, more grip & then even more grip. Unbelievable.
You can set stuff like bloom, lens flare, god rays and chromatic aberration to be replay only, it's a really good option if you are struggling to see, but still keep the pretties in the replays
What I’d really like to see, other than vr support, is a fantasy level. Think rallying around a gigantic bedroom, a supercross type track or across rooftops.
You should give it a try tho, bought the day one edition for 60$ and it's awesome. I played the first dirt rally since release with mods and stuff to make it feel better. I have to say dirt rally 2.0 feels just as good or better than the first one with physics mod. FFB is nice, too. The best thing tho are the choice of cars. Everything from a Mini to Audi Quattro group B to a Porsche 911. Keeps the challenge high and the game demanding. A week in and still haven't driven every car and stage. Did not even try rallycross yet. You should wait for a sale and but it
@@AT-zg4xs Yea, just checked the prices. It may not be much money for a DLC. But when you add them up, factor in the fact that previous games have had these assets they used to make DLC. Then it just turns in to microtransaction filled game to get as much money out of their fans, that is sad to see.
@@spykez5513 Most likely will give it a chance at one point. Either legal way, if there is some real good sale, or not so legal way, dont wanna say I support piracy, but sometimes I find pirating a game a good option to try out something and then go buy it. Loved older Dirt gamed tho
@@sarellamikk do you agree then that (insert generic sequel to track racing game here) was the same? They sold the same tracks etc too? Your kidding yourself if its all new each time..
I'm okay with DLC if it means we get more content overall. DR1 was too short on stages. Yes, it could have been in the base game, but maybe then it would have released later. I think Dirt Rally is the one game I don't mind paying for DLC, since new stages is what keeps the rally aspect of the game fresh.
No matter how good the core of the game is, Codemasters are really rubbing the word "cashgrab" in our face. Initially I was sceptical but as time goes by and FFB/Tarmac physics are left unfixed I can't help but wonder; What's really new in DR2.0 aside from the physics and locations that should justify such a high price?
Rainer dr2 sucks. Their is no FFB. Their are only 12 stages that are max 8 minuets long and no vr support. Yea defiantly not a game for any true race fans. All they did good was the sound.
@@Dockhead It's not like we have that much of an option when it comes to high development budget rally games. It's either this or the WRC series. I believe most rally fans bought DR2 regardless of its reviews, simply because they needed something fresh. Again, there's nothing massively wrong with the game, it's just the price and the DLC policy that's bugging me.
The community was cirlce-jerking over the fact that there wasn't a Dirt Rally 2.0 and now we have one. The ffb issue is being used as an argument left and right like it's ruining the entirety of the game when in reality it's not even that bad (the only issue is not feeling the texure of the road. The springs, the counter-steer effect and everything else is absolutely fine.) What else, the AI is a step above what it was in DR where you could breeze through master easily, there's a broader selection of car, it is now possible to do rally stages online with your friend without having to deal with the bullshit leagues system, there's different tires compound, the physic is way more realistic than in the first one, do you want me to continue? "BuT THe BaSE mAps ShOULd HaVE beEn In gaMe !!11!" fuck off, if they did include these base maps you'd complain either way because "WhY diD tHEy NoT InCLuDe NeW mAps InSTeAd of olD oNeS??!?" And you can get all the DLCs by selling your steam trading cards.
Jimmy please add outside view of your driving in a corner of the screen somewhere, I know it takes more editing, but would really add to the experience, otherwise the video is just Chatty Brit Slams Thicc Swedish Mounds in Backbreaking White On White Action
5:58 Jimmer you must have realised by now the MANY MANY complaints about the force feedback. Its as if there are a few effects missing. Codemasters have acknowledged it as a bug👌
Not a bad way to start saturday off jimmy, got me in the mood now ready to watch F1 qualifying in baku, no doubt you'll do a beat the pole lap in due course ;)
The Swedish Rally has been a natural part of FIAs WRC since '73 (though cancelled once in the '70's due to the US being dicks about oil again. Also cancelled once in the 2000s due to the US being dicks about the environment {again} causing Sweden to suffer a snowless winter [source; Fox News c/o J. Goebbels]). This is the second time I've bought a framework of a game named Dirt. I hate to love this game.
Well held together Jimmy not sure how you could see where you were going at some points with how bright the snow was. I also agree that this should be included in the base game.
But if the stage hasn’t changed in real life what do you want to see changed? Surely F1 2018 to F1 2019 is the same in that only the cars change significantly. Silverstone, for example, is the same in 2019 as it was in 2018. So what in the stages do you want to see changed?
He doesn't want it changed, he thinks that since it hasn't changed it should be included in the game rather than having to buy it as DLC. In F1 2019 do you have to buy Silverstone separately?
You kinda missed a point of discussion: does it feel exactly like DR1 when driving these "remastered" stages or the physics are somewhat different in DR2?
All of the "old" stages released so far feel very different (for the better) than DR, and look better as well. Monte Carlo especially has been transformed in its DR2 incarnation, with the various surfaces (tarmac, wet tarmac, snow, ice) now having a significant impact on the handling, so you really have to be mindful of your line, because one snow/ice patch in the middle of the corner or in a braking zone can make your day interesting.
@@Case_ Of course, the term 'interesting' in Chess normally means 'bad [move]'. Also, nice profile picture, it makes me think of Brandon Lee, son of the great Bruce Lee, in The Crow. Also, I don't see there being an issue with regards to it being any better than the prior game (worth the money or not, that is). If you're serious about sim racing/rallying, then, you're going to happily buy this, even just for minor improvements, and if not, then you're going to stay with the first or some other game, so, there's really nothing to talk about. This is true for many series (GT, F1, Fifa, and more).
@@TheClassicWorld That was kinda the implied meaning of the word, yes. Also, I guess Robert Smith should kinda remind you of The Crow, it only makes sense.
That's my boi, Ol Jimmer, casually saying that on his first go at it, focusing on the track and commentating to his viewers at the same time, his time is 5th best in the world? 0.O!!
What screws with me is the fact that this is a Rally Stage to most of us, but to the average Nordic person (Norwegians, Swedes, and *especially* Finns) this is their commute to work in extreme conditions.
It’s literally like releasing the F1 game with Monza and Monaco as paid dlc. So I hunted around for a cheap copy of the game, so paying for this dlc just made it the overall normal price.
Worked out for me. But only because I bought goty on steam summer sale. I wanted this along time ago but put it off because I saw how expensive it all was going to be.
Hey Jimmer, can you do a settings video for Dirt 2.0 with your simucube? I just seem to get the right combination. There's a severe lack of "feedback" from the game at the moment with this.
yeah.. i'm gonna buy them anyway. but seriously with so little truly NEW content in 2.0.. we seriously gotta pay for maps at launch. but screw it. it's amazing that this is the only racing game i play and it garners so much of my devotion lol.
Yeah I understand that people want more for the base game but I am truly loving this new Dirt and I hope that this style of content sale will be able to keep the game fresh for years. So many cars and tracks to come and the daily/weekly/monthly challenges are exactly what I like to keep me engaged.
I don't agree with the people saying it ok because the physics changed or the tracks have been visually upgraded. GT is updating their GT6 models for free, Forza updated Watkins Glen for Forza 7 and didn't charge (cars are hit and miss). Look at the rehashed cars too, all the cars in DR2 that were in DR1 had to be updated, so why do they have to charge for the C4 and Manta, what makes the update on them cost when they could do the sierra for free?
I'll sit this iteration out until it's on a bargain bin deal I think. I'm only interested in VR racing nowadays, by the time you get the game & all the DLC it's too much to pay for a Codemasters game imo.
Do you do any changes to the stock tunings with most of the cars? do you think you could do a video on dirt rally 2.0 car tuning especially with the b-class cars?
I find those tracks so much more thrilling. Dirt Rally 2.0 is certainly an exercise on vehicle control and braking and turning properly, as rally would go, but Germany, Finland and Wales reward you with such iconic experiences along the way.
The way I see it, codemasters gave us all the new stages and the new cars in the base game. If you feel like playing the old stages from a previous game you can pay for it. Everyone seems to over look all the new content that was included in the base game and get on their high horse about paid dlc, if you really want to play the old stuff but don’t want to pay just put turn on dirt rally instead. If they had brought the game out with just remastered dirt rally stages everyone would flip out as well
The Deluxe Version is 67€ on Steam and gives you access to all the DLCs right away through Season 2. That's a pretty normal price for a AAA game these days even digital tbh.
A brief explanation on why modern games are released without a full quota of content: Modern games with their high levels of graphical and gameplay detail take a ridiculously long time and a lot of money to put together, you can shorten this timescale by throwing money, manpower and resources at the problem but this is only really an option if the sales returns outweigh the inflated costs. Racing games are not really all that profitable and therefore developers are unwilling to throw money at the problem in order to get a highly polished product out the door on launch day because they'll never see a return on that investment. As such, games are developed to an initial budget with the intention of releasing a playable but unfinished game by a set date and then putting some of the release sales profits back into continuing the development and hoping to reach full product development within a year. Unfortunately we as the consumer are kind of to blame for this model needing to be implemented, we demand more and more innovation in less and less time and as such the quality begins to slip. We assume that because the games industry keeps cranking out content that it must be easy but in truth it's not, it gets harder with every generation and we could well be heading to a future where pay to play becomes the only sustainable option.
I'm still hoping for a "Best VS worst setup" video at some time from you Jimmy! A look at how different a game becomes when you have the best setup for a given track, and when you have the WORST setup for that track too
As soon as Rally 2.0 was announced at $60 with tire choice as the selling point, I knew Codemasters was cashing in. The Rally games are worth $30-40 not $60+dlc. Add in cinematics before during and after the rallies, multiple pace note voiceovers, actual gameplay upgrades instead of sim gimmicks then it will be a $60 game.
Hey Jim can I ask you somting? You already raced in VEC so you have some experience with their cars. Although have you tried these cars made by unitedracingdesign.com? If yes how much are they similar? If not is it worth it buying for practice? Thank you Jimbo🙂
I know this is extremely late but why did they not make these available across the board i even tried to look for updates for PlayStation 4 and the tracks still are not available any ideas
I picked up this game in late 2019 when it was on sale. A lot of the DLC should've been in the main game. Over time I picked up some DLC whenever it was on sale. That was the only way I could justify buying the game. What I found out later and not happy with is not being able to upgrade my game by buying the GOTY edition. I had to pick up all the DLC separately. Definitely not very consumer friendly. Not sure if that's how Steam operates or Codemasters shafting their player base.
People moaning about cost, the games available for £18!! DLC at £1.50 - £2.99... just how tight are you all?! The cost of games has come down over the years whilst the cost to produce them has risen exponentially, I remember paying £60 for Street Fighter 2 on the Sega Megadrive back in the 90's and that was almost a weeks pay as an apprentice electrician! lol
A friend purchased Dirt Rally 2.0 as a gift for me. I still requested a refund because I felt like it was a huge rip off. He got his money back. We'll spend it elsewhere.
Because the answer is super simple " Bussiness " that DLC should not be in the base game. Technology costs a lot which means the game price should be increased or use DLC system like this. For a long game, the tag remains the same $60 for game unlikely prices around for absolutely everything like iPhone from "$600 to $1200" but everybody ok with that. If we want great games without crappie DLC each game must cost $90-$95. Simple example Playstation 2 game cost $5 million with the price tag $60, for the same game from scratch for PlayStation 3 development increase(because of the expensive Tech) from $5 million to $15 million but the price tag remains the same $60. That's the reason we are lost game series like Dead Space EA try to save that series two times.
Nah don't agree... The stages are completely remodeled with the track degradation and they look absolutely stunning. You got different stages in the base game to DR 1 so it's no difference they just did it the other way round. Good drive though as always.
@@zlanj3693 Yep agree... With DR 2.0 specifically the engine is massively improved so it's not a cut and paste job. Also there are new rallies included in the base game that weren't in DR 1 so there is new content. This whingeing culture is ridiculous and winds me up. The game is so good this negative energy is useless.
I have the season pass and have downloaded all the new tracks and cars yet half of them don't appear in my garage and the tracks aren't available to use. Anybody else having this issue?
The content comments are kind of silly. I've never heard anyone say that about the other racing games we all play. Think about how often we race around Spa, Silverstone, Nurburgring, Sebring, etc , but I've never once heard a complaint about those tracks being repetitive. Paying for it as DLC, yeah, that's a little silly, but repetitive? Come on. All racing games are repetitive but it's the spirit of competition that keeps us coming back.
Remembers a simpler time when Colin McRae Rally games came fully featured.
Dirt 2....meow..I want it back
@@Vixen1525 i dont
@@kehariracing9884 why?
@@Vixen1525 it was way too much arcade for my taste
To long since way to long I still have a copy and it is very good
When I think 'rally', I think 'Monte Carlo' and 'Sweden', both of which are DLC. I can't understand how its ok that remastered stages can be DLC. As much as I like Codemasters, I feel like this is really shady
Well it's better than being the base game. Which other rally country can have snow? Just Monaco and Sweden.
@@GeneralArmorus I'm not sure what you mean
Monte Carlo is actually big upgrade over the first one (physics wise). It's much more challenging and realistic this time, with truly hazardous ice patches and ice sections. It has become my favourite stage out of all stages in DR 2.0, I hated it in DR 1. Sweden is more visual upgrade though. And bringing Germany sucks, we don't need tarmac rallies with (still) bad tarmac physics. Should have remastered Finland or Wales
@@JustDevon If these were in DR2 release, they would repeat DR1. I'm sure not everyone is interested in paying for or playing same content twice. These DLC are for those who dont have DR1 and for completionists.
@@lt.reacharound2048 Season 2 will have Finland and Wales and Greece?
Hold back major parts of a game so it can be sold again as DLC. What a crappy industry, no wonder I’m buying fewer games these days
The term "saw you mugs coming a mile off "comes to mind .if you allow someone to take the piss they continue!!
I wouldn't say I'm buying less games, but I am waiting longer for price drops to offset the extra DLC "fees". Or I'll wait even longer and get the "special" editions on sale.
Since DLC was introduced I just wait for the game of the year editions. I don't care waiting a year to play the full game for one price.
Well there are games which give free dlcs like battlefield and gran turismo
Lack of content, and content recycling meme
I haven't even bought the game, yet I still feel ripped off.
Luckily for me, my region (South Africa) only paid the equivalent of 40$ for the deluxe edition, less than the $60 MSRP
Lol
agreed, this is why i didnt buy it
So.. If you dont wanna play this magnificent piece of gaming.. just dont buy it ? it isnt like you are forced to buy dlc if you buy the game. And also, its just stupid. It is no freakin rip off. it would be a WASTE to not remaster the locations from DR1, every single meter of them is handcrafted, plus with updated physics, graphics and the new terrain thing. and wouldnt you feel more ripped off if it was in the base game ? also its like the price of half a pizza.
@@jakecole7447 so how much did they pay you for that little rant?
Removing content and the re-selling it back to you later is an EA level practice.
Codemasters, Electronic Arts, Activision, 2k games, Bioware, Bethesda, Blizzard, Ubisoft. Only CD project Red last man standing
How the turns have tabled...
@@TheNotFakeBot212 Lmao, right?
I wish them well with EA, but my expectations are low...
@@mussunmussun3536 yeah cd projekt red needs to be added to the list haha
@VR Driver yeah the game everyone hated when new has actually turned out better than everything else, ironic how a studio everyone thought was terrible is now better than the ones everyone loved
One of the most iconic rally locations of all time is DLC? And its basically remastered? Yikes, Codemasters.
Reminds me of every COD game.. selling classic maps as DLC. At least GT Sport has free DLC updates.. even if "new" tracks are a slow trickle.
Thank you for not just writing off critics of this game's DLC as just mindless haters. Dirt Rally 2.0 really does look good, but not good enough for the money Codemasters is asking. Also nice glasses. They look sharp!
Sean Hart 100% agree, if it wasn't for getting it so cheap on sale for Xbox I would've had a really hard time convincing myself its worth it.
The DLC is generally priced fairly and it's NOT new content. So it's not a core part of the game that is "missing".
I know you'd probably like these for free, but that's not sustainable. The standalone game has more content than DR1.0
The price isn't that terrible when you consider that the Deluxe edition is double the price of Dirt Rally 1 and comes with double the stages, (at least after they're finished releasing them) but it still feels wrong to be paying extra for something that came with the original game's base price; even more so if you're a returning player and now buying the same thing twice.
Hehe steam winter deals $9 go brrrr.
I got it free on ps plus at one point never played it got a rig for ps5 and now love this game. Since I got it free I bought the DLCs happily. But I could understand it's messed up for a full price game
I'm waiting for the "game of the year" edition with DLC included for a discounted price, what I feel is the price I want to pay for it.
GOTY was only £15 on xbox live a month ago. I had bought if or £25 on ebay the week before
Today is the day. Goty version is for the fair price of 10€ on steam today.
That's what I should've done. I had to pick up the DLC separately when it went on sale because I bought the base game first.
Just paid £11 on the PS store. Only had to wait 2 years odd.
@@Allaloneatron bought it now!
Same as every game now a days released half done and them make you pay for the stuff that should already be in the game or added for free after release
If it was added for free I think nobody would have a problem with it
The game already has more stages and stage distance than DR1, including track degradation variations.
How is adding more content for free sustainable? The price of the DLC is actually quite low.
@@singami465 dirt rally 2 has literally the same amount of rally stages as dirt rally 1....six stages. AND its missing the pikes peak hill climb. sequels are supposed to expand off the base game, not offer the exact same, or less amount of features. dirt rally 1 was already pretty lackluster on content, its not out of the realm of possibility to have 8-9 rally stages to ship with a full priced game. you act like doing the bare minimum (tweaking the game engine, and offering a few new stages) is commendable.
@@singami465 The stages in Dirt rally 1 were all handcrafted. The stages in Dirt rally 2.0 seem to have been partially generated and aren't to the same detail. No hillclimbs, and rallycross doesn't count. Fuck rallycross. I'm all for DLC of new stages,but it would have been nice for it to be new content instead of remasters. For the sake of 3 dollars per DLC it would have made more business sense for codies to add it for free. I don't think I'd be alone in being willing to pay more money for NEW CONTENT.
They shouldn't call it 2.0 if they take something away and then sell it back to me.
What I've learned from the comments section is that it's ok to buy yet another racetrack simulator with same cars and tracks, while it is NOT ok to buy yet another rally simulator with same cars and tracks.
Not the same
@@telefon72 yes it is.. they are based on IRL stages..
Nope. Codemasters is intentionally withholding and forcing you to pay again for content you already had. That's not ok. No one with half a brain complains about buying the game again. They complain about having to buy DLC for DR2 that was included in the base game of DR. That is absolutely ridiculous. Don't be a tool.
how? at least with games like forza 5,6,and 7 they take the base game and add to it. each iteration has more and more stages. If forza went the dirt rally 2.0 route, forza 7 would have shipped completely missing the nurburgring, and later on they will re sell you hockenhiem, spa, and, monza for an extra 30 bucks. with each iteration of forza there is a bigger number of cars, tracks, and features such as forza vista available on every car. they ADD to the game. not take away.
@@joaopaulo-ms5it have ya heard of iracing, everything in that game is a dlc and it's a subscription not a one time purchase for the Sim. If you don't have a problem with iracing then you can't really complain about dlcs
The winter tyres/tires (however you say it) has spikes sticking out. The more ice it is, the more grip you have, or else you just slips on the snow, gravel or tarmac. Sometimes you can find a spike or two that the rallycar dropped if you're lucky.
Pretty sure 'tyre' is British English and elsewhere and 'tire' is the North American spelling. Interestingly, Canada also uses the American 'tire', yet Canada normally uses British English, not American.
Why wasn't this in the base game? I'd hazard a guess - money and time.
The base game includes six brand new countries - same as the original Dirt Rally for the same amount of money (talking about the final version here, not about the early access). Let's just assume that six countries was all they could manage to include in the base game, again, due to financial and time reasons (because we have to remember that if this was included in the base game, it would need to be done several months back, and it's pretty clear they are still working on it before they release these DLC). Would you rather have six brand new countries with new stages, or a mix of new and updated content? Which countries would you leave as DLC and which you would include in the base game? It's a no-win scenario in that case - people will complain either way. If you only include the new countries and sell the updated old ones as DLC, you will have people complaining that "it's recycled content sold as DLC and should've been in the base game on release". If you include some of the updated old countries and some of the new ones, you will once again have people complain that the game has recycled content and you have to pay to get the new stuff. Like I said, a no-win scenario. I mean you yourself are complaining about how "it's the same stage as before"...would you be complaining less if this was included instead of one of the new countries the game features? Yes, in an ideal world, the base game would contain both new content and the old updated one. But we don't live in an ideal world, and compromises have to be made quite often. And it really doesn't have to be because the company is greedy or something like that - it might simply be a matter of what's feasible and what is not.
At least when it's done like this, with the new content included in the base game and the old updated content sold as DLC, you can completely ignore the DLC if you're not interested in running the old stages again in the new game with updated visuals and physics. And it also has to be said the pricing of the Dirt Rally 2 DLC is as user-friendly as it gets - car DLC costs 2 euro per car and country DLC costs 3 euro. Since the DLC is released every two weeks either two cars or a new country, that means on average, you're required to pay less than 2 euro per week to get all the DLC. That's pretty much as cheap as it can get, even for people on a tight budget. And there's also always the chance that if the DLC sell well, we might get more original content later. Oh, and you also don't have to own the DLC to be able to race the stages online - that's also a pretty nice gesture in my book.
exactly! but your point on Jimmy's comment of 'its the same stage as before', yeah they are, but they are IRL stages rather than the shit (IMO) computer generated stages. so its like someone complaining about the next release of AC has exactly the same Monza... well.. yeah.. of course it does... although i will agree that it would of been nice to have had a cheeky new short stage in there maybe, but as you say, when they weight up the time vs what's feasible
God I hate how I had to scroll down this far to find a reasonable comment
@@gabrielsavoie8780 Well, thanks for considering my comment reasonable :)
“Why wasn’t this in the base game?”
Money, probably difficulty making it work in engine but mostly money
Same engine as Dirt 1 with some tweaks, but that's pretty much every sequel. It wouldn't take an incredible amount of time. This is just money.
I expect they had to make significant investment to make their engine able to support modern rendering techniques, but yeah at least they could at least make them slightly different stages rather than the ones they originally made for those locations.
I don't even care anymore, I stop buying games 10 years ago, Im just download from torrents not giving a single cent, criticize me all you want, game makers not getting more poor from my choices
@@user-zv8qg1co4z I don't, but its possible to play online too
@KepleroGT I believe the pirated version lets you play offline custom events and time trials.
you have to pay for these DLC? sorry we didn't finish this in time for the release so please pay again
Yes, you have to. It costs the whopping sum of 3 euro.
@Nils Weinzierl DR1 was an early release.
DR2 was an early release that they charged double for.
vote with your money. nobody forcing you
torrent it if you want to play
@@Case_ its 3 euro to mutch
Guys, dont buy the dlcs, just Google "dirt rally 2 unlocker" and ready, the content Is already included in the game even if you haven't bought any DLC, u just need to unlock it
How do you unlock it if that's the case?
@@violinfanatickamraz1403 that's why i said Google it, long story short, you use a different .exe and dll files that override the locked content, for example, i was playing with the m1 procar just when they released the Montecarlo rally, since with the update all the content was on the game even if i haven't bought the dlc
With VR's 3D perspective you can see the track and snowbanks much better. I cant wait until this game is updated for headsets.
Glad to hear i'm not the only one struggling with vision in Sweden.
i think it helps to lower the brightness (on xbox at least)
@@PointlessDrummer I lowered it as much as i could without it looking silly. Still struggling a little bit.
Lotus AMG can we race these maps at night ? In like a custom game imma try that
@@mrpineapples4752 Yep, it's a lot easier at night imo. It also looks great, the graphics of DR2 are glorious.
Lotus AMG imma have to try that out and tbh on ps4 the graphics are eh they could be. ALOT better but imma give that a try cause I struggle to see in the day time and thank you for getting back to me much appreciated!
Because they are bloody greedy!
No matter how good this game may be, the business practise is despicable enough for me not to give any money to Codemasters.
Think I'll wait for all the DLC to be released and we get a GOTY edition.
You make a good point about the brightness in sims. They should add a tinted visor option.
I was in an R5 Fiesta today - it was recce for the Pirelli International this weekend. My understanding of grip on gravel has changed considerably. There's just so much grip, more grip & then even more grip. Unbelievable.
Damn you killed that stage. Nice vid Jimmy!
That was some incredibly fast and impressive driving. Seems like the snowbanks are a bit more forgiving though.
You were beasting and feasting in Sweden with that Subaru! :)
You can set stuff like bloom, lens flare, god rays and chromatic aberration to be replay only, it's a really good option if you are struggling to see, but still keep the pretties in the replays
What I’d really like to see, other than vr support, is a fantasy level. Think rallying around a gigantic bedroom, a supercross type track or across rooftops.
I love rally Jimmer. Hope we get a video of just a pure rally some day, no talking, listening to pace notes and focusing and obliterating the times!
Wait, they are now selling events as dlc? Makes me feel happy I have not looked to buy this game
You should give it a try tho, bought the day one edition for 60$ and it's awesome. I played the first dirt rally since release with mods and stuff to make it feel better. I have to say dirt rally 2.0 feels just as good or better than the first one with physics mod. FFB is nice, too. The best thing tho are the choice of cars. Everything from a Mini to Audi Quattro group B to a Porsche 911. Keeps the challenge high and the game demanding. A week in and still haven't driven every car and stage. Did not even try rallycross yet. You should wait for a sale and but it
yeah they are... for the huge sum of 3 quid per country... thats cheaper than a pint most of the time now..
@@AT-zg4xs Yea, just checked the prices. It may not be much money for a DLC. But when you add them up, factor in the fact that previous games have had these assets they used to make DLC. Then it just turns in to microtransaction filled game to get as much money out of their fans, that is sad to see.
@@spykez5513 Most likely will give it a chance at one point. Either legal way, if there is some real good sale, or not so legal way, dont wanna say I support piracy, but sometimes I find pirating a game a good option to try out something and then go buy it. Loved older Dirt gamed tho
@@sarellamikk do you agree then that (insert generic sequel to track racing game here) was the same? They sold the same tracks etc too? Your kidding yourself if its all new each time..
Gonna get Dirt rally 2.0 probably in 2023 when i have a capable PC. Still enjoying Dirt Rally currently
I'm okay with DLC if it means we get more content overall. DR1 was too short on stages. Yes, it could have been in the base game, but maybe then it would have released later.
I think Dirt Rally is the one game I don't mind paying for DLC, since new stages is what keeps the rally aspect of the game fresh.
No matter how good the core of the game is, Codemasters are really rubbing the word "cashgrab" in our face. Initially I was sceptical but as time goes by and FFB/Tarmac physics are left unfixed I can't help but wonder; What's really new in DR2.0 aside from the physics and locations that should justify such a high price?
Dude stfu look at whats new at FIFA every year. Don‘t complain about DR2
we should just stick to rbr
Rainer dr2 sucks. Their is no FFB. Their are only 12 stages that are max 8 minuets long and no vr support. Yea defiantly not a game for any true race fans. All they did good was the sound.
@@Dockhead It's not like we have that much of an option when it comes to high development budget rally games. It's either this or the WRC series. I believe most rally fans bought DR2 regardless of its reviews, simply because they needed something fresh. Again, there's nothing massively wrong with the game, it's just the price and the DLC policy that's bugging me.
The community was cirlce-jerking over the fact that there wasn't a Dirt Rally 2.0 and now we have one. The ffb issue is being used as an argument left and right like it's ruining the entirety of the game when in reality it's not even that bad (the only issue is not feeling the texure of the road. The springs, the counter-steer effect and everything else is absolutely fine.) What else, the AI is a step above what it was in DR where you could breeze through master easily, there's a broader selection of car, it is now possible to do rally stages online with your friend without having to deal with the bullshit leagues system, there's different tires compound, the physic is way more realistic than in the first one, do you want me to continue?
"BuT THe BaSE mAps ShOULd HaVE beEn In gaMe !!11!" fuck off, if they did include these base maps you'd complain either way because "WhY diD tHEy NoT InCLuDe NeW mAps InSTeAd of olD oNeS??!?" And you can get all the DLCs by selling your steam trading cards.
I enjoy the game later when it’s on sale with all the dlc bundled
Jimmy please add outside view of your driving in a corner of the screen somewhere, I know it takes more editing, but would really add to the experience, otherwise the video is just Chatty Brit Slams Thicc Swedish Mounds in Backbreaking White On White Action
5:26 it really looks like an actor driving in a pre recorded rally
You are one of the most entertaining people on TH-cam Jimmy
5:58
Jimmer you must have realised by now the MANY MANY complaints about the force feedback. Its as if there are a few effects missing. Codemasters have acknowledged it as a bug👌
Feels terrible. Really is no feel of anything in the wheel.
Not a bad way to start saturday off jimmy, got me in the mood now ready to watch F1 qualifying in baku, no doubt you'll do a beat the pole lap in due course ;)
The Swedish Rally has been a natural part of FIAs WRC since '73 (though cancelled once in the '70's due to the US being dicks about oil again. Also cancelled once in the 2000s due to the US being dicks about the environment {again} causing Sweden to suffer a snowless winter [source; Fox News c/o J. Goebbels]). This is the second time I've bought a framework of a game named Dirt. I hate to love this game.
Well held together Jimmy not sure how you could see where you were going at some points with how bright the snow was.
I also agree that this should be included in the base game.
But if the stage hasn’t changed in real life what do you want to see changed? Surely F1 2018 to F1 2019 is the same in that only the cars change significantly. Silverstone, for example, is the same in 2019 as it was in 2018. So what in the stages do you want to see changed?
He doesn't want it changed, he thinks that since it hasn't changed it should be included in the game rather than having to buy it as DLC. In F1 2019 do you have to buy Silverstone separately?
Your voice is truly awesome!
You kinda missed a point of discussion: does it feel exactly like DR1 when driving these "remastered" stages or the physics are somewhat different in DR2?
All of the "old" stages released so far feel very different (for the better) than DR, and look better as well. Monte Carlo especially has been transformed in its DR2 incarnation, with the various surfaces (tarmac, wet tarmac, snow, ice) now having a significant impact on the handling, so you really have to be mindful of your line, because one snow/ice patch in the middle of the corner or in a braking zone can make your day interesting.
@@Case_ Of course, the term 'interesting' in Chess normally means 'bad [move]'. Also, nice profile picture, it makes me think of Brandon Lee, son of the great Bruce Lee, in The Crow. Also, I don't see there being an issue with regards to it being any better than the prior game (worth the money or not, that is). If you're serious about sim racing/rallying, then, you're going to happily buy this, even just for minor improvements, and if not, then you're going to stay with the first or some other game, so, there's really nothing to talk about. This is true for many series (GT, F1, Fifa, and more).
@@TheClassicWorld That was kinda the implied meaning of the word, yes. Also, I guess Robert Smith should kinda remind you of The Crow, it only makes sense.
Thats so mad! Awesome driving!! Do a tips n tricks video :)
Got this game recently and shocked at the lack of content in the base game and the nickel and diming for stages as DLC.
That's my boi, Ol Jimmer, casually saying that on his first go at it, focusing on the track and commentating to his viewers at the same time, his time is 5th best in the world? 0.O!!
They must update this game with Kenya as well , since it was supposed to be in the WRC calendar from 2020 season
What screws with me is the fact that this is a Rally Stage to most of us, but to the average Nordic person (Norwegians, Swedes, and *especially* Finns) this is their commute to work in extreme conditions.
It’s literally like releasing the F1 game with Monza and Monaco as paid dlc.
So I hunted around for a cheap copy of the game, so paying for this dlc just made it the overall normal price.
Im just waiting for a pack with all dlc included for 60 or less. Maybe after a year
Worked out for me. But only because I bought goty on steam summer sale. I wanted this along time ago but put it off because I saw how expensive it all was going to be.
The Y and I in Lysvik are very long, so you weren't too close but it was a good effort.
whats the song in the beginning? sounds like some pink floyd synthwave remix, but i cant find it.
Hey Jimmer, can you do a settings video for Dirt 2.0 with your simucube? I just seem to get the right combination. There's a severe lack of "feedback" from the game at the moment with this.
yeah.. i'm gonna buy them anyway. but seriously with so little truly NEW content in 2.0.. we seriously gotta pay for maps at launch. but screw it. it's amazing that this is the only racing game i play and it garners so much of my devotion lol.
Now the full game (Inc DLC, so actually the full game) is now on sale, for the price of the base "shit missing" version
Great video! But do you prefer dirt instead of RBR?
whats the name of the intro background music, Jimmer?
sounds like some synthwave remix of pink floyd, but im looking for it as well
Post here of found, please!!
Yeah I understand that people want more for the base game but I am truly loving this new Dirt and I hope that this style of content sale will be able to keep the game fresh for years. So many cars and tracks to come and the daily/weekly/monthly challenges are exactly what I like to keep me engaged.
The glasses look very good on you, Jimmy!
So much control. I spin out each corner
I don't agree with the people saying it ok because the physics changed or the tracks have been visually upgraded. GT is updating their GT6 models for free, Forza updated Watkins Glen for Forza 7 and didn't charge (cars are hit and miss). Look at the rehashed cars too, all the cars in DR2 that were in DR1 had to be updated, so why do they have to charge for the C4 and Manta, what makes the update on them cost when they could do the sierra for free?
I'll sit this iteration out until it's on a bargain bin deal I think. I'm only interested in VR racing nowadays, by the time you get the game & all the DLC it's too much to pay for a Codemasters game imo.
Lysvik. Don't worry about it! You did fine! Swedish is hard to explain. You got to bend the words. Lyyysviik.
Completely agree !!! I’ll just wait till the key selling websites do a deal for £15 :) that way I won’t feel ripped off
You ever share your car settings, Jimmy? Curious to see what you use.
Do you do any changes to the stock tunings with most of the cars? do you think you could do a video on dirt rally 2.0 car tuning especially with the b-class cars?
It annoys me that they do this but I still buy them anyway.
Its just such a good game. I prefer it more now than the Arcady racers.
why wasnt this in the game release.... MONEY, MONEY, MONEY!
yeah easy for pc users...... man I need a new rig
Still waiting for Germany. And Wales, and Finland.
Ah Finland. I always loose my tires on Dirt Rally on that road. Also a lot of punctures on Wales
I find those tracks so much more thrilling. Dirt Rally 2.0 is certainly an exercise on vehicle control and braking and turning properly, as rally would go, but Germany, Finland and Wales reward you with such iconic experiences along the way.
I second Finland. As a Finn, it's the best place to rally.
FINLAND!
The way I see it, codemasters gave us all the new stages and the new cars in the base game. If you feel like playing the old stages from a previous game you can pay for it. Everyone seems to over look all the new content that was included in the base game and get on their high horse about paid dlc, if you really want to play the old stuff but don’t want to pay just put turn on dirt rally instead. If they had brought the game out with just remastered dirt rally stages everyone would flip out as well
Because this is 2019. $60 has been full price for a game in over 20 years. The $60 is discounted cut content version.
The Deluxe Version is 67€ on Steam and gives you access to all the DLCs right away through Season 2. That's a pretty normal price for a AAA game these days even digital tbh.
A brief explanation on why modern games are released without a full quota of content: Modern games with their high levels of graphical and gameplay detail take a ridiculously long time and a lot of money to put together, you can shorten this timescale by throwing money, manpower and resources at the problem but this is only really an option if the sales returns outweigh the inflated costs. Racing games are not really all that profitable and therefore developers are unwilling to throw money at the problem in order to get a highly polished product out the door on launch day because they'll never see a return on that investment. As such, games are developed to an initial budget with the intention of releasing a playable but unfinished game by a set date and then putting some of the release sales profits back into continuing the development and hoping to reach full product development within a year.
Unfortunately we as the consumer are kind of to blame for this model needing to be implemented, we demand more and more innovation in less and less time and as such the quality begins to slip. We assume that because the games industry keeps cranking out content that it must be easy but in truth it's not, it gets harder with every generation and we could well be heading to a future where pay to play becomes the only sustainable option.
I'm still hoping for a "Best VS worst setup" video at some time from you Jimmy!
A look at how different a game becomes when you have the best setup for a given track, and when you have the WORST setup for that track too
I'd really like to watch some of these replays
As soon as Rally 2.0 was announced at $60 with tire choice as the selling point, I knew Codemasters was cashing in. The Rally games are worth $30-40 not $60+dlc. Add in cinematics before during and after the rallies, multiple pace note voiceovers, actual gameplay upgrades instead of sim gimmicks then it will be a $60 game.
This looks much better than Dirt Rally snow courses
Hey Jim can I ask you somting? You already raced in VEC so you have some experience with their cars. Although have you tried these cars made by unitedracingdesign.com? If yes how much are they similar? If not is it worth it buying for practice? Thank you Jimbo🙂
I know this is extremely late but why did they not make these available across the board i even tried to look for updates for PlayStation 4 and the tracks still are not available any ideas
I'm going to be VERY upset if season 2 has more recycled content
Greece and Wales would be welcome, but the should be free. Best rallys from DR1
It does, More skins, the 2007 Ford Focus and the 2008 impreza (that handles exactly like the Ford)
@@tomy2502 That's season 1, not 2
@@cartuner9 oh, ok
What's the song that plays in the beginning? I love it
jimmer with glasses looks cute
also, i fucking hope they add wales into the game, that shit was my favorite stage from Dirt Rally 1
I picked up this game in late 2019 when it was on sale. A lot of the DLC should've been in the main game. Over time I picked up some DLC whenever it was on sale. That was the only way I could justify buying the game. What I found out later and not happy with is not being able to upgrade my game by buying the GOTY edition. I had to pick up all the DLC separately. Definitely not very consumer friendly. Not sure if that's how Steam operates or Codemasters shafting their player base.
People moaning about cost, the games available for £18!! DLC at £1.50 - £2.99... just how tight are you all?!
The cost of games has come down over the years whilst the cost to produce them has risen exponentially, I remember paying £60 for Street Fighter 2 on the Sega Megadrive back in the 90's and that was almost a weeks pay as an apprentice electrician! lol
The retail price of the base game is around 50 to 70 euros.
This is the reason I bought WRC instead. The stages are so much better in general and atleast they all exist lol. (I have played both)
A friend purchased Dirt Rally 2.0 as a gift for me. I still requested a refund because I felt like it was a huge rip off. He got his money back. We'll spend it elsewhere.
we should call him Happy Feet.. look at his tap dancing on the pedals
10:04 MEE TÖIHI= Go to work
Torille
ole värmland
glasses really compliment you very well.
As someone who played Dirt Rally with a controller Sweden was my worst nightmare.
Because the answer is super simple " Bussiness " that DLC should not be in the base game. Technology costs a lot which means the game price should be increased or use DLC system like this. For a long game, the tag remains the same $60 for game unlikely prices around for absolutely everything like iPhone from "$600 to $1200" but everybody ok with that. If we want great games without crappie DLC each game must cost $90-$95. Simple example Playstation 2 game cost $5 million with the price tag $60, for the same game from scratch for PlayStation 3 development increase(because of the expensive Tech) from $5 million to $15 million but the price tag remains the same $60. That's the reason we are lost game series like Dead Space EA try to save that series two times.
Check out the identical triplets to the left at 2:15
Nah don't agree... The stages are completely remodeled with the track degradation and they look absolutely stunning. You got different stages in the base game to DR 1 so it's no difference they just did it the other way round. Good drive though as always.
people are under the impression you can just throw old content into an updated game engine and the graphics and the features magically fix themselves
@@zlanj3693 Yep agree... With DR 2.0 specifically the engine is massively improved so it's not a cut and paste job. Also there are new rallies included in the base game that weren't in DR 1 so there is new content. This whingeing culture is ridiculous and winds me up. The game is so good this negative energy is useless.
I'm proud of myself today, for the first and probably only time ever I am faster than Jimmy!
At least they didn't rush this, and that's why they waited to release it, as a DLC.
man, and to think I got the orig dirt rally for like $40 in beta and all the new locations and features were free
I have the season pass and have downloaded all the new tracks and cars yet half of them don't appear in my garage and the tracks aren't available to use. Anybody else having this issue?
Love your Dirt rally videos, with these remastered stages are just very silly. I love codemasters. but this is pathetic
The content comments are kind of silly. I've never heard anyone say that about the other racing games we all play. Think about how often we race around Spa, Silverstone, Nurburgring, Sebring, etc , but I've never once heard a complaint about those tracks being repetitive. Paying for it as DLC, yeah, that's a little silly, but repetitive? Come on. All racing games are repetitive but it's the spirit of competition that keeps us coming back.
What’s the music is playing on the beginning?