Conqueror vs Object 279 Turret Armor Penetration Simulation
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ต.ค. 2024
- Simulation of APDS shell from the 120mm gun of Conqueror tank hitting the turret of Object 279 tank near the gun mantlet. This area, despite its thickness, is not the best protected area, because the structure there is weakened by cutouts, including those for the gun trunnion.
120mm L1 (Tungsten Carbide core APDS) at 1410 m/s
vs
460mm cast armor (~275 BHN hardness)
120mm Ordnance QF gun (L1) muzzle velocity - 1463 m/s (1410 m/s at 0.5 km) - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
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1:03 is a velocity visualization. these pieces of armor seem very slow compared to the initial velocity of the shell, but it is still a high velocity
People out there really think that a piece of steel going 150+ m/s would not hurt them bruh
do you know what the final speed of the round would be
@@lingo6582
He also included the velocity plot of the projectile, well the main body.
@@ilmoretz4246 Not to mention how insanely hot it would be after being forced through 160mm of armor.
@@ilmoretz4246
Nobody (I hope) thinks that 150m/s shrapnel won't kill them. It's just that in these simulations the velocity visualization is in such huge increments that whether something is completely static or moving at 150m/s, it is still shown in roughly the same shade of blue.
eh best I can do is "shell shattered"
Cry about it
@@il_namleast obvious rage bait
@@sensor3ddI tried farting for a minute, thinking I failed And then I released a behemoth
what the fuck@@Simigema
war thunder logic
That is an insane amount of penetration for a 1950s tank
It is cast armor, so it is equivalent to 420mm of RHA
brits were fairly succesful in it.
Big big gun.
It's a gun derived from the gun mounted on the M103, and AMX-50s which was derived from the 120mm gun mounted on heavy tank, T34, that gun was derived from the 120mm M1 AA gun that the US used. The M1 had significant power behind it. Lighten the system, and design it to handle higher pressure, then fire a sub-caliber round as opposed to a full bore projectile, and you get an extremely high performance kinetic penetrator for the time period.
And in a thoroughly sporting move it refused to have an engine that worked to give the Russians a fighting chance.
Yellow commander
maybe an orange breech too if you're lucky.
“A significant emotional event”
i feel like it would have at least cracked the back even if it wasn't a weakened area, that's a monster shell
Impressive shell!
"Sure would be a shame if it were to *shell shattered* ."
@@tirushone6446damn snail
I love the inside turret view, the shell is just like: "Peek-a-boo!" 😆
like it was slowly opening a door
Impressive. The trunnion may have weakened the armour, but the projectile still went through so much material!
120 sabot is no joke
not in WT apparently
@@ArtoriusRexnot IRL too. This simulation has superficial APDS velocity
@@nuraly78What does superficial apds even mean
@@nuraly78 APDS in real life performs differently than in WT.
angle performance is better than any other type of ammo apart from APDSFS and post pen dmg is better than full caliber rounds due to the kinetic force it carries.
Volumetric is no joke
Great sim. The shape of the weakspot definitely did more to harm it then thickness of it. Reminds of the Tiger I mantlet MG video where the same effect helped stop the projectile since it was on the outside.
Not the most armoured place in 279 but penetration is impressive
Can you try to simulate a side or back shot on a tank that goes through the engine block? Just curious at level of damage such a hit would do
It would be difficult to model the engine, even to any reasonable approximation. a lot of work, even assuming that a diagram can be found somewhere
Maybe not this exact engine but a general simulation on engine shots would be interesting, in war thunder shells tend to go straight through but I feel like they would stop more.
80 годах прототип т 80 у стрелял по раним прототипам один из 3бм прошол влд прошол боевое отделение и сквозь перегородку вошлол в мто и сорвал двигатель с креплений который выбил крышку мто !
Can you do a simulation of small caliber tungsten core ammunition?
For example 20x139mm DM43 or DM63?
Dm 43 is apcr
Dm 63 is apds
Apds out perform apcr because most of the propelant enegry goes to the penetrator core and smaller frontal are thus far more aerodynamic
Wow the conqueror really had an amazingly powerful gun
Messed up the trunnion for the gun. That tanks gonna need a new turret no matter what
Explicit Dynamics would be my company name if I was in an off-brand sector
Impressive ! M-103 with APCBC could not penetrate even half !
Storage box: try me
From wiki
Максимальная толщина литой башни сферической формы по всему её периметру составляла 305 мм при угле наклона 30°. Снаружи корпус танка и борта башни имели несъёмные тонколистовые противокумулятивные экраны, дополняющие их обводы до вытянутого эллипсоида. Принятая схема бронирования обеспечивала надёжную защиту лобовой части танка и его бортов от 122-мм бронебойного и 90-мм кумулятивного снарядов на всех дальностях стрельбы.
305mm front armor could not pen with caliber 122 and 90mm at any distance.
insert 3BM11 shell into 122mm and you can penetrate more than 300mm, there are even photos it penetrate 300mm flat armor at 1270m/s.
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
I think obj armor 305mm on 30°
I could be wrong, but that number in my head
@@vaninec the front of the turret varies greatly in thickness and inclination and cannot be determined with a single value
@dejmianxyzsimulations4174
If you translate from Russian:
Maximum thikness of the turret 305mm all over perimeter
@@vaninec it's not true
see technical diagrams
One thing early sabot rounds are good at - going through insane volumes of armor steel at minimal angle. The fact that this piece is also cast steel makes it somewhat easier, but still - I doubt more fancy composite alloy sabots that Chieftain had at its introduction were anywhere near at flat pen.
The later sabots of the chieftain traded pure flat pen for a heavier projectile with more angle-performance. Allowing it to punch through armour more reliably even if its pure penetrative power in perfect conditions was worsened.
Really wish you would have shown a bit of deviation from the turret face, wish to see some deflection or whatever the result is.
The gunner is going to play hot potato with that shell and pieces of armor. 😮
I find those hvap and apds so cool
Damn what a beast
I think you don't do HEAT simulations but I'd love to see someone do a rifle caliber HEAT simulator.
Like, could 7.62mm HEAT actually net you more penetration than simple bullets? If we assume things like exo suits or powered armor suits are going to be the infantry armor of the future, like full caliber tank shells, simple bullets are going to become obsolete against them.
Wouldn't work very well. Kinetic and HEAT rounds are opposites. HEAT rounds gain more power with diameter regardless of velocity, whereas rifles are built to propel a narrow projectile at high velocity. A better HEAT solution to your problem set would probably be weapons like grenade launchers - low velocity, wider projectiles.
@@kenreckless2757 Still would be a cool concept to test
Nothing like "7.62mm HEAT" exists in the world. It's a 7mm projectile. How tiny amount of explosives you could fit in it?
@@HanSolo__ ... That's why I asked "COULD"
Holy moly
have you done any tests changing the speed of the penetrator? I think it would be funny to find out how fast a 22 LR needs to be going to penetrate through half a foot of steel or something like that or if it's even possible to do so
It's a firepower kill, if nothing else. The gun probably can't move in elevation. If it can, and the crew fires the gun, the gu. Is going to hurtle back into the turret.
Even if it doesn't hurt any crew, that's probably going to compromise the operability of the gun.
Sturmitiger ricket vs object 279 next?
War thunder: best I can do is “target hit”.
Very nice, but I expected the projectile to decay more as it progresses through the armor.
Next project:
M4 51mm / 56 degrees
vs
M4A3 63mm / 47 degrees
BRRRITIIISSSH BIIIIAASSSSSS
What amuntion are you using? In real life 120mm L1 used L15A1 APDS, which had 1370m/s muzzle velocity.
Your simulation here has higher velocity and higher penetration?
recent documents showed it was 1410
it's Conqueror's gun, not Chieftain's. Chieftain use L15A1 tungsten alloy APDS
İt went through very well👌🏻
If you put a small spacing plate and used a longer sabot it would have stopped it
Cool simulation, though was that portion where the shell went through 460mm? That performance seems a bit too powerful for a tank from the 50s if so.
Would you do a simulation of the 88mm of the tiger 2 vs the mantlet of the jumbo, I think it would be interesting
At least the shell cracked the armor
Crew:oh a reserved shell💀
"Yes, a hit!"
You forgot to include volumetric measures
I guess when they said it was designed to kill any soviet tank of the time they weren't kidding.
Well If Theres One Thing The Brits Are Good at Its APDS Shells And Apperantly the conqueror has 502mm of pen with the 120mm so that is actually insane
Can you do HEAT simulation against wooden + steel armor? I really wonder how Philippines armored vehicle wood armor work against RPG2
Did those pieces break free into the interior of the turret as spall or did the shot simply push in the armor and bend them?
they have velocity as shown 1:02 and they fly around the turret at this velocity
Both.
If you look at the velocity plot, some pieces stop moving after pelleting. Other pieces still retain over 100m/s velocity.
How does the T-10M’s APDS compare to the Conquer?
It has significantly less weight and travels faster, however IIRC the actual projectile following "pettling" is smaller than that of the Conqueror's.
Overall it has worse performance despite being developed far later. Although it should also be mentioned that it's fired from a smaller gun. (Yes, the 122mm is bigger than the 120mm in diameter, but overall the Conqueror's gun is much bigger and more heavy duty).
The 3BM11 APDS for the 122mm M-62-T2S cannon of the T-10M, as well as the 3BM8 APDS for the 100mm D-10T cannons of T-54/55, were just a stopgap measure to increase the anti-armor performance of the older Soviet rifled tank guns in the 1960s. Since early 1960s, the "premier" anti-armor rounds in the Soviet service were the APFSDS fired from smoothbore guns (115mm U-5TS (2A20) on T-62 and D-68 (2A21) on T-64, later 125mm D-81 (2A26) on T-64A).
The core is of a similar caliber, but is much shorter, so the overall penetration ability is lower. However, it has a large cap, which should help overcome spaced armor and, in certain situations, protect the projectile from the harmful effects of sloped armor, making the shell more versatile.
Modern SPAA vs Tiger 2 Front?
Will it survive upon hitting the angled part of the turret instead?
It will, the force distribution will drastically effect the shell, but it will still quite close to penetrate the armor
@@Richard_T800 I'm thinking the same thing, would depend on which angle too, but since it's tungsten carbide, there's an actual good chance it could potentially shatter
It will withstand everything except good APFSDS and HEAT
How come the shell doesn't push out a shard of metal equal in length to the armor it penetrates
the tip of the shell is not flat to push most of the material forward. Its conic shape pushes the material to the sides like i did to my ex.
How did you get that app and how?
What game / simulation is this
What software you you using?
Ansys
So is that a pen? Or a non pen!? 😂😂😂
The downside of this shell really is shattering and angle penetration?
no thats not true. Its true for early apds shells but not a general rule.
apds in real life had good angle performance and nothing like in WT
also shattering is about at what range u engage. Too short of a range the shell has so much velocity it shatters. APDS was meant for mid to long range engagements.
Nice!!
What is the name of the app for this?
Ansys
app name?
Go sturmtiger 380mm vs Abrams nera
Can i get your materials in ansys?
How
Wtf is this? Prototype tank?
Yes
wait, there's no spall?
There is. It just isn't modelled here.
"Hit"
Hit !🦁50 💡10
Btw Object 279 has turret from IS 8/T10
No, completely different turret, more armor, a more powerful gun
Oh myyyyy! 😏
The sheer size and weight of the shell did have an impact but credit where credit is due...the armor almost stopped it...almost.
Non the less there's a big god damn hole now where a solid piece of steel once was
But thing is how this simulation only goes that point with relative ultra highspeed camera view.
What would happen after that is still not exacly like that couple kg heavy hunk of steel just drops on floor.
It would still fly backwards with authority and most likely seriously injure anyone who it hits.
And shitloads smaller particles which still simulation cant calculate because time, and hardware reasons.
@@Kesssuli While they look slow in the simulation, the minor spalling from this impact is more than lethal to the crew within the vehicle, with the bigger pieces capable of destroying not just flesh, but equipment as well.
This shot would disable the tank at best, and detonate its ammo at worst, given the placement of the ammunition inside the 279.
@@ZETH_27 the shell is travelling at most 140 m/s after entry into the crew compartment. Absolutely still lethal to anyone it hits. Probably not likely to detonate any ammo, but anyone inside is probably gonna bail when they realize their 400mm+ turret cheek just got punctured.
@@connivingkhajiit Yeah it'd be like.getting shot with a large caliber flintlock with the larger pieces, very deadly
The placement of the shell would also likely either render the gun inoperable or severely hinder its use.
Wow that crazy now a m1a2 ambrams 😂😂😂
RiP
Ah yes the "impenetrable" stalinium tank
Praised by a huge numbers of soviet weeb tankies too bad this "impenetrable" thing only exists in Warthunder
Так по факту еле пробило
Actually....this can be considered lucky hit, since it is weakspot. And second thing, those Conquerors would NOT have this ammo at all, or they will be given like ONE round or so. Even modern thingies have like 2 APDSFS rounds and rest of loadout is just HE and HEAT. Good luck hitting weakspots on real tank fight distances without any modern stuff since it had only coincidence rangefinder and accuracy was also big problem back than... so you are back to "impenetrable" thing that existed IRL tho... :D
@@martincoufalik9101 пф, ну конь пробивается с 279 почти в силуэт
What are you yapping about
this was on a flat part of the armor lol, this thing really deflect most of ammo you shoot at it.
*Hit*
Ну да, ну да, паршивенькая симуляция
В реале все было бы не так
Can you explain?
@@whitemouse2460In real life russian tank impossible to penetrate comrade. Video is western lies, Stalinium is invincible!
In Russian FSB psyop game War Thunder NATO APDS always shatters comrade even on SPAA! This video is western propaganda lies komrade! Over 6kg of tungsten carbide traveling 1,500m/s should definitely not pen Stalinium armor under any circumstances! Russian steel APHEBC should definitely have better slope modifiers than tungsten carbide APDS and should overpressure despite only having 177g of TNT! Don’t feed into the western propaganda comrade! ☭ Ruski tanks are superior 💪
Тут пол километра в уязвимую зону это слишком близко и соответствует дистанции боя великой отечественной войны но не холодной. Это больше видео о том могли ли теоретически подбить при благоприятных условиях.
💀delusional Russian War Thunder player
in real life Object 279 would never be able to get fielded, there was only 3 built compared to Conqueror which has 185 built, and BR-482B from Object 279 has only 258mm of flat pen irl not 364mm so it couldn't pen Conqueror, and APDS in real life has comparable, or sometimes even MORE post pen damage than APFSDS rounds do, due to being thicker diameter and scooping out more armor on angled shots. It's definitely nowhere near as bad as Gaijin, Russian bias FSB Psyop company thinks it is
MY FAV HEAVY WINS AGAINST OBJ 279 AHAHAHAHA
Saved, but turret is certainly locked up for good, afterwards...
Aint saved cuz the whole crew (besides driver) is dead
@@EfEX_15i very much doubt that would kill the turret crew, at least not all of them.
@@khajaja spalling and other chunks of metal flying at them with probably 1/4 speed of that APCR would probably shatter them
@@khajaja The minor spalling from that impact would lacerate anyone and anything in that turret. No human is surviving that, and that's all ignoring the major spalling which we can physically see in the simulation, which would most certainly destroy internal systems.
The vehicle is completely combat-effectively wrecked after a hit like this.
@@ZETH_27 …theres a big fuckoff piece of metal cutting the turret in half. Unless the brits made magic APHEFSDS that i dont know about, only half the turret max is getting hit with spall.
Bro is denifitely a russian fanboy
Salty
how
What?
How is he tho?
How? If anything the video is putting the Conqueror in good light.