The post-Endor EU is really underrated. So many people just dismiss it because they heard it's bad or because they don't like the Vong, but they miss out on some great lore. I mean probably at least half of the original EU material is set after Endor, so it can't be all bad.
I have no idea why they hate the Vong. Well, I mean, I do, however their reasoning is nonsense! They just think that good star wars always has to be in OT-like settings, with space ships fighting each other and dark side and light side users clashing lightsaber. The Vong are original, after the war with the empire is over, the original story had to be made afterwards. It is kinda dumb that they are able to fight the Vong despite still not being rebuilt after 21 year war, nkt even close, but again, this doesn't mean the story suck. I LOVE NJO!
@@Kolonol1 Well, if you reffer to disney it's not exactly that. They even stated multiple times that "legends" is also an amazing universe of star wars and encouraged to consider it canon whenever you like. They don't, however, do anything new with it and are very caerful with advertising anything from it becouse they're afraid of people liking it more than their new "canon". It's silly, it just proofs that they know they fucked up with the reboot.
@@emzonik8851 yeah very much so...if I was coming into star wars in the new canon I would have put it back down probably...I got lucky and had the EU first...not Disney wars
@@emzonik8851 Personally I don't find the Vong interesting because they're beyond the context of Star Wars. Star Wars is space fantasy about good and evil, and the Vong represent an out of context problem in the form of an amoral alien invader. They definitely read more like a Star Trek race than a Star Wars one.
I do kinda wish you'd covered one of the other aspects of the Defense Declaration. It essentially encouraged "Benign warlordism" where Imperial officers and their ships could just defect into sector forces, or Moffs potentially step down into them.
I love t he way that the old EU handled the post Endor period so much. Because it works so well in my opinion. First, it largely mirrors the break up of the Mongolian Empire because after the death of its leader, there was no one to fill that void and earn or command the needed loyalty. And I feel it just kinda fits the universe. Palpatine was a megalomaniac who was completely and totally in it for himself. He did not care about anyone or anything else. He built the Empire for his own ends and he never planned for his failure because if he failed then why should he care? What merit was there, for him, to plan for his actual death? None, even in Star Wars' most extreme weird lore, there was no way to revive the dead. The only way to cheat it, was to do that essence transfer thing that Palpatine does with his clone bodies. And even then, that's not him coming back, that's him jumping to another boat or abandoning a sinking ship. So he would not care about what happens to the Empire if he misses his jump. And then we have to consider how much Palpatine cultivated a culture of competition and mistrust and even outright conflict among his own supporters as a means of controlling them. Without Palpatine, there was no one left to command any loyalty. Had Vader lived, he might have been able to, but I don't think a redeemed Anakin would have been able to maintain that control without his own former brutality. Thus we have the warlord period, something actively encouraged not only by rebel agents but also by other warlord agents. The death of the Emperor lead to a state of chaos from which the Rebels were just barely able to emerge from as the victors. And that leads into the early growing period as the NR had to develop from a rebel group into interplanetary government. Then once it finally did that, it needed to have a peaceful transfer of power, which happens only 3 times (Mon Mothma to Leia, Leia to Garvisom, and then Gargisom to Fey'lya) and then is faced with the single greatest crisis the galaxy had ever faced, the Vong invasion, which shatters a battered and bloody and only just barely recovering society.
This was actually one of the most interestings star wars videos in a long time. love this kind of in depth videos. There are too few videos about how the empire actually ruled and how the ruled systems actually reacted to policies etc..
I'm glad Eck gave you a shoutout on his channel. (that's how i heard about your channel) I'm really enjoying the way you present your topics and coupled with the visual material you use, it creates a video that is well worth full attention watching. Packing the niche and not widly known lore pices in bite sized,but comprehensive videos is somehitng i, annd i hope many other fans, will gladly watch.
Will we ever see The Assertor-class Dreadnought in Thrawn's Revenge? Maybe give it the kind of armament that Ansel Hsiao/Fractalsponge imagined it would have, instead of The Moth-balled amount of armament in Legends.
The thumbnail just makes me think the policy was specifically the Assault Frigate refit program. I refuse to play the video with sound or closed captions that could prove my first impression wrong because I like anything build on a Dreadnaught hull. (Okay I actually did read the description and the Defense Declaration was the one that ...Basically encouraged the Imperial Navy to defect not necessarily to the Rebellion/New Republic but to allow captains to basically give their ships to their homeworlds right? I legit lost my headset/speakers)
The Empire was doomed from the start because Palpatine allowed rivalries to grow within the Empire. Though Palpatine believe he will rule the Galaxy for thousands of years, and he allowed these petty rivalries because it would have weaken anyone that threaten his position.
There were many reasons, in my opinion, that the Empire was not long for life, compared to the Old Republic. One reason, for me, was the large distrust Palpatine drove into people, against droids and full automated labor after the clone wars. This isn't just a 'Star Wars' thing either, we can see it in Star Trek as well. For example, in the original series, the Enterprise crew has to help a mining operation, where Dr. Macoy would say, "Damn it Jim, I'm a doctor, not a brick layer" however, if you look at the operations themselves, none of that infrastructure makes any sense. Couldn't they have not simply teleported the needed material out of the ground? Reducing needed staff, and lessen needless death? A lot of industry we see in both franchises, are complete needless, costly, and/or obsolete.
The empire was pretty much winning until Sidious died. If they had literally like, ten death troopers on Endor the Empire would have just won. I dont think its fair to say anything 'sealed the Empire's fate'. It was only getting more and more difficult to take down with every passing day, if it wasnt for that one miss-step I dont know how they would have lost.
@@lenkagamine4145 anime pic and having wrong takes lmao. By endor a whole lot of ships and races had been joining the rebellion to pose a serious threat the empire just had the upper hand when people like Timothy zann made the nr have very little in the way of defense fleets, palpatine had bs force powers and a secret star dreadnought fleets popped out of nowhere (black fleet crisis, dark empire, zsnjs executor)
@@kR-qj7rw Thanks for immediately allowing me to discount your opinion within the first sentence. It saves me the brain cells of trying to converse with you like a rational person.
This may have sealed the Empire's fate, but it also sealed that of the New Republic and the Galactic Alliance by not carrying out a thorough cleansing of the old imperial order, which enabled corruption and petty sectarian conflicts. They should never have allowed people like Daala to live
![The Special Red Uniformed Imperial Officers and Their True Power in the Empire [Legends]](/img/n.gif)
The post-Endor EU is really underrated. So many people just dismiss it because they heard it's bad or because they don't like the Vong, but they miss out on some great lore. I mean probably at least half of the original EU material is set after Endor, so it can't be all bad.
I have no idea why they hate the Vong. Well, I mean, I do, however their reasoning is nonsense! They just think that good star wars always has to be in OT-like settings, with space ships fighting each other and dark side and light side users clashing lightsaber. The Vong are original, after the war with the empire is over, the original story had to be made afterwards. It is kinda dumb that they are able to fight the Vong despite still not being rebuilt after 21 year war, nkt even close, but again, this doesn't mean the story suck. I LOVE NJO!
It's because they are told to dislike it even though it's some of the best star wars material out there
@@Kolonol1 Well, if you reffer to disney it's not exactly that. They even stated multiple times that "legends" is also an amazing universe of star wars and encouraged to consider it canon whenever you like. They don't, however, do anything new with it and are very caerful with advertising anything from it becouse they're afraid of people liking it more than their new "canon". It's silly, it just proofs that they know they fucked up with the reboot.
@@emzonik8851 yeah very much so...if I was coming into star wars in the new canon I would have put it back down probably...I got lucky and had the EU first...not Disney wars
@@emzonik8851 Personally I don't find the Vong interesting because they're beyond the context of Star Wars. Star Wars is space fantasy about good and evil, and the Vong represent an out of context problem in the form of an amoral alien invader. They definitely read more like a Star Trek race than a Star Wars one.
I do kinda wish you'd covered one of the other aspects of the Defense Declaration. It essentially encouraged "Benign warlordism" where Imperial officers and their ships could just defect into sector forces, or Moffs potentially step down into them.
I love t he way that the old EU handled the post Endor period so much. Because it works so well in my opinion. First, it largely mirrors the break up of the Mongolian Empire because after the death of its leader, there was no one to fill that void and earn or command the needed loyalty. And I feel it just kinda fits the universe. Palpatine was a megalomaniac who was completely and totally in it for himself. He did not care about anyone or anything else. He built the Empire for his own ends and he never planned for his failure because if he failed then why should he care? What merit was there, for him, to plan for his actual death? None, even in Star Wars' most extreme weird lore, there was no way to revive the dead. The only way to cheat it, was to do that essence transfer thing that Palpatine does with his clone bodies. And even then, that's not him coming back, that's him jumping to another boat or abandoning a sinking ship. So he would not care about what happens to the Empire if he misses his jump.
And then we have to consider how much Palpatine cultivated a culture of competition and mistrust and even outright conflict among his own supporters as a means of controlling them. Without Palpatine, there was no one left to command any loyalty. Had Vader lived, he might have been able to, but I don't think a redeemed Anakin would have been able to maintain that control without his own former brutality.
Thus we have the warlord period, something actively encouraged not only by rebel agents but also by other warlord agents. The death of the Emperor lead to a state of chaos from which the Rebels were just barely able to emerge from as the victors. And that leads into the early growing period as the NR had to develop from a rebel group into interplanetary government. Then once it finally did that, it needed to have a peaceful transfer of power, which happens only 3 times (Mon Mothma to Leia, Leia to Garvisom, and then Gargisom to Fey'lya) and then is faced with the single greatest crisis the galaxy had ever faced, the Vong invasion, which shatters a battered and bloody and only just barely recovering society.
This was actually one of the most interestings star wars videos in a long time. love this kind of in depth videos. There are too few videos about how the empire actually ruled and how the ruled systems actually reacted to policies etc..
I'm glad Eck gave you a shoutout on his channel. (that's how i heard about your channel)
I'm really enjoying the way you present your topics and coupled with the visual material you use, it creates a video that is well worth full attention watching.
Packing the niche and not widly known lore pices in bite sized,but comprehensive videos is somehitng i, annd i hope many other fans, will gladly watch.
I see Corey, I watch video
Will we ever see The Assertor-class Dreadnought in Thrawn's Revenge? Maybe give it the kind of armament that Ansel Hsiao/Fractalsponge imagined it would have, instead of The Moth-balled amount of armament in Legends.
It's already been confirmed for months. Corey already showed the model in a video
@@FancyPirate1 Oh, Thank you for the information!
Never knew about this! Of course the ultimate nail in the coffin for the Empire was their lack of plot armor, or a means to pierce it.
The thumbnail just makes me think the policy was specifically the Assault Frigate refit program. I refuse to play the video with sound or closed captions that could prove my first impression wrong because I like anything build on a Dreadnaught hull. (Okay I actually did read the description and the Defense Declaration was the one that ...Basically encouraged the Imperial Navy to defect not necessarily to the Rebellion/New Republic but to allow captains to basically give their ships to their homeworlds right? I legit lost my headset/speakers)
The Empire was doomed from the start because Palpatine allowed rivalries to grow within the Empire. Though Palpatine believe he will rule the Galaxy for thousands of years, and he allowed these petty rivalries because it would have weaken anyone that threaten his position.
There were many reasons, in my opinion, that the Empire was not long for life, compared to the Old Republic.
One reason, for me, was the large distrust Palpatine drove into people, against droids and full automated labor after the clone wars.
This isn't just a 'Star Wars' thing either, we can see it in Star Trek as well. For example, in the original series, the Enterprise crew has to help a mining operation, where Dr. Macoy would say, "Damn it Jim, I'm a doctor, not a brick layer" however, if you look at the operations themselves, none of that infrastructure makes any sense. Couldn't they have not simply teleported the needed material out of the ground? Reducing needed staff, and lessen needless death?
A lot of industry we see in both franchises, are complete needless, costly, and/or obsolete.
The policy that sealed the Empire's fate was existing in the first place.
What could go wrong if we Oppress the shit out of everyone ?
The empire was pretty much winning until Sidious died. If they had literally like, ten death troopers on Endor the Empire would have just won. I dont think its fair to say anything 'sealed the Empire's fate'. It was only getting more and more difficult to take down with every passing day, if it wasnt for that one miss-step I dont know how they would have lost.
@@lenkagamine4145 anime pic and having wrong takes lmao.
By endor a whole lot of ships and races had been joining the rebellion to pose a serious threat the empire just had the upper hand when people like Timothy zann made the nr have very little in the way of defense fleets, palpatine had bs force powers and a secret star dreadnought fleets popped out of nowhere (black fleet crisis, dark empire, zsnjs executor)
@@kR-qj7rw Thanks for immediately allowing me to discount your opinion within the first sentence. It saves me the brain cells of trying to converse with you like a rational person.
@@kR-qj7rw IE the Tarkin Doctrine???
This may have sealed the Empire's fate, but it also sealed that of the New Republic and the Galactic Alliance by not carrying out a thorough cleansing of the old imperial order, which enabled corruption and petty sectarian conflicts. They should never have allowed people like Daala to live
I had no idea about this policy in the new republic.
Not investing in Plot Armour is what doomed the Empire.
And what a policy…
And second, and third
Daala is the worst leader ever *change my mind*
Mmhmm
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