I love how the fact that the build quality and weather resistance are above average, makes this lock great for tasks you would normally accomplish with a couple of zip ties.
this reminds me of the handful of things that people I associate with secure by locking with a cheap non weather resistant lock, and allowing it to seize from exposure.
Fun thought, except you don't have to replace the zip tie every time you remove the fastening. If you have a barn door you open once every few weeks, a weather-resistant cheap insecure padlock probably makes more sense than a zip tie. (You might even leave the key in the lock - I've seen that done.) But even so, this is one of the most passive-aggressive "endorsements" I can imagine!
@@jon_j__when I was young, most of the sheds in my area just had an old padlock slipped through the hasp and not closed. or an old screwdriver if the hole in the hasp was vertical.
seeing a disk detainer key on the table at the start of the video. Everyone: Say the line! LPL: The pick that Bosnian Bill and I made. Everyone: *deep enjoyment*
@@ExarchGaming He and Bosnian Bill gave the design to Sparrows to allow them to mass produce it. Since then he's opened up his own lock pick store, so technically Sparrows is now his competitor. He's savvy enough to know people enjoy seeing the pick in action so he busts it out every once in a while, but he doesn't want to advertise his competitor too much.
It'll work against any animal that can't comprehend shims, so don't expect it to work against cockatoos, parrots, crows, monkeys or exceptionally bright pigs.
Yeah seeing the shape of the notches was a dead giveaway. It makes it v quick and easy to snap into place without needing the key, which makes it user friendly I suppose. D lock on my bike, you need to keep the key in until you're ready to lock it, and then you have to turn the key back to lock it, i.e. move it into a locked state. Not a "latch" mechanism...
Im quite surprised that the lockmakers went to the trouble of designing a shimmable sprung pall locking part that fits a disc detainer core. If they had just used the standard ballbearings and locking bars that actuate from the cam on the back of a standard disc detainer core, the lock would have been more secure. Then if theyd spent that extra money theyd saved on having less parts, on having discs with false gates, the lock would have been quite good.
Got some of you Covert Instruments picks and rakes. Not much experience with picking, but very used to working with precision tools in confined spaces. Been opening masterlocks left and right. You always made raking them look so easy, and it come to find out, it is easy once you get the feel for it. I am tempted to try some better, more challenging locks.....although Masterlocks from Lowe's or HomeDepot will be 95 percent of what I encounter in the wild. Thanks for the years of information to guide me.
@@TravelingStacker it’s just a Nifty custom piece of kit that hasn’t been seen in a while, is all. It’s a bit of a meme, because he introduces it the exact same way every time
Possibly a April Fools history about a Masterlock offering better protection against theft than a note saying; Please don’t steal if you care extremely much about being a decent person.
@@fauxque5057 Perhaps he was letting the missus have a vacation this year, but the Valentine's videos are still a laugh and some of the best double inneundo this side of youtube
When I bought my house last year I installed a "Zinc Safety Hasp" and use a cheap Master lock on the out building my lawnmower and a few garden tools are in. It wasn't until after I installed it that I noticed that when they put the doors on the outbuilding they installed the hinges on the outside of the doors. All you need to get in is to take the screws out of the hinges on the door. 🤦♂
Are you absolutely sure raccoons can't use shims? Those buggers seem to show up in quite many places where you'd expect them to be at least fairly proficient with a rake.
When LPL said "There are at least 2 vulnerabilities" I immediately said out loud:"Don't tell me it can be shimmed!" and of course, LPL immediately comes out with the shims. There should be a law against selling locks that can be shimmed. Market incentives apparently do not work.
I can forgive being able to pick it with a special tool, but shimming is absolutely inexcusable. Don't even need any special shims for it, just something vaguely thin and sturdy like some plastic or even cardboard.
Agreed. The shimming vulnerability is inexcusable, especially given the apparent high quality materials of the lock. That design seems pretty modern, and shackle shimming vulnerabilities in locks has been known for many decades. That pick is such a specialty tool that I'm really not worried about most disc detainer locks being picked, at least by thieves of opportunity.
@@AndyGneiss Yeah, cutting, grinding and shimming are the primary attack vectors on such locks. This disc detainer core would be just fine in any medium level security setting, but here it's just there to look pretty while a piece of stiff cardboard is used to pop the thing open.
The shimming vulnerability is because of the adjustable design. If they had used a ball bearing locking mechanism to solve the problem it would require the user to hold the key in the unlock position while adjusting the shackle height. That would be quite awkward with only two hands. I'm sure there is an alternative solution but it would a bit different, and different is always expensive.
I'd love to hear how Bosnian Bill is getting on. Each time that tool gets brought out I remember a legend of the community that retired from youtube to help out those in need.
Considering it's a Disk Detainer core, the shims are the easiest vulnerability to fix. You don't see very many disk detainer core items in any store in the US unless it's a specialty store for those sorts of items, or Amazon.
When I was a kid, I'd open that style of lock by sliding the lock all the way up the shackle then slide it down quickly. The locking pawl couldn't catch in the shackle quick enough. This more modern lock probably has stronger springs that lock quicker...
I like the addition of what the lock should be used for. It gives a better idea than high/low security for anyone like me who's not familiar with security.
Depending on the application, you may not have the space to get shims into the lock, leaving picking as the only option, and since that requires special tools and skills, this could actually be a pretty secure lock, as long as you take into account the vulnerabilities. Of course most thieves won't bother with either shims or picking and will simply take an angle grinder to the shackle and have the lock off in seconds.
I like this addition.. when is this particular lock a good option.. Holding a barndoor closed.. keeping a propane bottle closed.. While some locks will get the label : perfect paper-weight.. there are some mediocre locks that can still serve a purpose.
For the low skill intrusion, I think the idea is that you push the lock right up against the item it's locking so you'd have a hard time or it would be impossible to get shims between the lock body and that item.
I don't know if its my middle age or the fact LPL has been away, but I had completely forgotten about shims. Mind you, in the meantime I have been watching *Forgotten Weapons* and my mechanical mind is now full of locking lugs, bolt carriers, firing pins and return springs, instead.
So when I was young my parents would use this kind of lock to lock the doors on the entertainment center to stop us from watching TV all the time. Funny thing is when you push the lock up so its between two divots, you can then hit the lock with a rubber hammer hard and it will just fly off the shackle.
That's more or less exactly the way shimming works.. The only real difference is that the locking extenders have no time to re-engage in your case, while the shims keep them compressed.
- Hey Steve, how did the guy from cell four escape? - Don't know, boss, just heard him mumbling something about number two being lose, probably a zero-cut...
304 stainless steel means it's gonna rust in days if you use it near or at sea (like on a boat). I've tried so many 304 locks for my outboard, you can break them barehanded after a year or so. 316 is what you want instead.
Just when you least expect it, the lock picking lawyer pops up with a video where he says the line! I honestly didn't even expect the line (though I should have known because of the disk detainer core) until he rotated them clockwise.
Incredible that lock companies still makes locks that can be shimmed open just like that. Should straight up be illegal to call it a lock if it can be shimmed...
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THE RETURN OF THE PICK BOSNIAN BILL AND HE MADE!!!!
He said it! He said the thing! 😁 Never fails to give me a smile.
Yes!!
I miss Bill's channel. Does anyone knowhow he's doing?
Bosnian Bill Nye
And brought cheers from many!
The shims flying off-camera was far too perfectly cinematic.
Darmok and Jalad, when the shims flew.
Should redo the shot with the Slow Mo Guys!
@@u9Nails
LPL and Bosnian Bill when MasterLock failed.
@@u9Nails that would definitely make for an interesting twist to that story!
@@RhinoBarbarian No no, it's Shakka, when Master Lock failed.
I love how the fact that the build quality and weather resistance are above average, makes this lock great for tasks you would normally accomplish with a couple of zip ties.
This kind of application of a lock appeals to my laziness. I'd just lose the bundle of zip ties way too often.
this reminds me of the handful of things that people I associate with secure by locking with a cheap non weather resistant lock, and allowing it to seize from exposure.
@@kenbrown2808I’ve got a few things secured that way, works a treat lol
Fun thought, except you don't have to replace the zip tie every time you remove the fastening. If you have a barn door you open once every few weeks, a weather-resistant cheap insecure padlock probably makes more sense than a zip tie. (You might even leave the key in the lock - I've seen that done.) But even so, this is one of the most passive-aggressive "endorsements" I can imagine!
@@jon_j__when I was young, most of the sheds in my area just had an old padlock slipped through the hasp and not closed. or an old screwdriver if the hole in the hasp was vertical.
Sedorti:
LPL says our lock has uses! *pops champagne*
How much I have learned from this channel. Just seeing the way the notches are cut tells me that the lock is spring loaded and shimmable.
He’s never worried about us thinking it’s a fluke any more…
It never has been, not once 😉
At this point, if the lock isn't picked in 1 minute I'll think that as a fluke
The wisdom of LPL: Just because it has flaws doesn't mean it is useless.
Of course not, but are you going to put such a flawed lock on anything? Any thief is going to get through it no problem.
I wish my ex-wife was as generous with compliments.
@@lepayen I mean, you could use it to lock the thief's leg to a... "fun diving weight". 🤔
I think he also once said that a certain safe would make a great decoy as you hide your belongings elsewhere.
@@lepayenmy grandpa would say "it keeps honest people honest"
it is NOT a SECURITY device but a "this is not yours to borrow" lock
seeing a disk detainer key on the table at the start of the video.
Everyone:
Say the line!
LPL:
The pick that Bosnian Bill and I made.
Everyone:
*deep enjoyment*
he stopped using the phrase and the pick for several months, never found out why.
@@ExarchGaming He and Bosnian Bill gave the design to Sparrows to allow them to mass produce it. Since then he's opened up his own lock pick store, so technically Sparrows is now his competitor. He's savvy enough to know people enjoy seeing the pick in action so he busts it out every once in a while, but he doesn't want to advertise his competitor too much.
It'll work against any animal that can't comprehend shims, so don't expect it to work against cockatoos, parrots, crows, monkeys or exceptionally bright pigs.
Them damn birds and tool-using abilities
LOL Parrots are awesome.
Or Gorillas 🦍!
If they are inside the barn and the lock is on the outside you it might hold them off for a few hours.
So, not effective against tool using birds like Ravens.... Got it.
Why does this gives me so much pleasure to watch
Thanks for demonstrating.
The pick of legend has returned! Rejoice!
I love how loyal to the template these videos always are.
"well that's gonna be shimable"
I feel like over the years I've learned something from LPL 😉
Learning security flaws and how to bypass them by osmosis.
I *KNEW* shimming was ONE of the ways just seeing the lock and the notches for the "dogs" on the shackle
Yeah seeing the shape of the notches was a dead giveaway. It makes it v quick and easy to snap into place without needing the key, which makes it user friendly I suppose. D lock on my bike, you need to keep the key in until you're ready to lock it, and then you have to turn the key back to lock it, i.e. move it into a locked state. Not a "latch" mechanism...
If you're a lock, the phrase you never want to hear is, "OK folks..."
Or the company that made it😅
he said the thing!
He hasn’t said the thing in a while!
Like when the title of the movie is in the movie. FG.
and now...i hear his soothing voice....as he applies pressure to 1...and then 2....and goodnight
"Maximum security" - LPL opens it in 20 seconds with shims.
Less than that if he weren't educating us.
I guess it at least needs 2 shims not one... That's better than some locks that need only one
It's just the maximum of their security, give them some credit...
@@profosist LOL Credit!?!? I wouldn't give them $1.
They said "maximum weather, pick, and pry resistance." Shims are not any of these things, so they're in the clear. 👌
Im quite surprised that the lockmakers went to the trouble of designing a shimmable sprung pall locking part that fits a disc detainer core. If they had just used the standard ballbearings and locking bars that actuate from the cam on the back of a standard disc detainer core, the lock would have been more secure. Then if theyd spent that extra money theyd saved on having less parts, on having discs with false gates, the lock would have been quite good.
Got some of you Covert Instruments picks and rakes. Not much experience with picking, but very used to working with precision tools in confined spaces. Been opening masterlocks left and right. You always made raking them look so easy, and it come to find out, it is easy once you get the feel for it. I am tempted to try some better, more challenging locks.....although Masterlocks from Lowe's or HomeDepot will be 95 percent of what I encounter in the wild. Thanks for the years of information to guide me.
Oh I missed seeing “The Pick that Bosnian Bill (and he) Made”
Is that a big deal or something?
@@TravelingStacker it’s just a Nifty custom piece of kit that hasn’t been seen in a while, is all. It’s a bit of a meme, because he introduces it the exact same way every time
Can't wait to see what he has in store for us on 4/1.
Possibly a April Fools history about a Masterlock offering better protection against theft than a note saying; Please don’t steal if you care extremely much about being a decent person.
I missed the Valentines video. They used to be awesome
@@fauxque5057 Perhaps he was letting the missus have a vacation this year, but the Valentine's videos are still a laugh and some of the best double inneundo this side of youtube
manicure episode - collab with the nail trimming neurosurgeon
The 4th of January was several weeks ago, and I don't think LPL put out a special video for it.
I really like that you gave appropriate use case examples for the lock
Welcome back.
He’s gonna say the thing! He’s gonna say the thing!
HE SAID THE THING!
Ah yes the lock for the fisher price door
Shimming came to mind the second I laid eyes on this lock. Was not disappointed.
" attaching a propane cylinder to your grill" is the meanest offense to a lock
When I bought my house last year I installed a "Zinc Safety Hasp" and use a cheap Master lock on the out building my lawnmower and a few garden tools are in. It wasn't until after I installed it that I noticed that when they put the doors on the outbuilding they installed the hinges on the outside of the doors. All you need to get in is to take the screws out of the hinges on the door. 🤦♂
I thank you LPL for getting me interested in, into, and started in locksport.
Sport? What sport?
"This lock would be perfect for protecting your garbage bin from raccoons, or as a weight for a nice garden wind chime " 😂
Are you absolutely sure raccoons can't use shims? Those buggers seem to show up in quite many places where you'd expect them to be at least fairly proficient with a rake.
and now...i hear his soothing voice....as he applies pressure to 1...and then 2....and goodnight
@andersjjensen damn. You are correct, they probably are subscribers to LPL
This man is a national treasure
Always a pleasure seeing "the pick that BosnianBill and I made"!
As soon as I saw the thumbnail I knew the shims were coming out
🔥 Love the education and entertainment!
We Missed U
When LPL said "There are at least 2 vulnerabilities" I immediately said out loud:"Don't tell me it can be shimmed!" and of course, LPL immediately comes out with the shims. There should be a law against selling locks that can be shimmed. Market incentives apparently do not work.
I'd use that lock to keep a tool chest secured on a trailer while transporting it, but that's it. Gotta hook the chains somewhere.
Shimming was the FIRST thing i thought of, when i saw the multiple locking positions. They're a dead giveaway for such an exploit.
I can forgive being able to pick it with a special tool, but shimming is absolutely inexcusable. Don't even need any special shims for it, just something vaguely thin and sturdy like some plastic or even cardboard.
Agreed. The shimming vulnerability is inexcusable, especially given the apparent high quality materials of the lock. That design seems pretty modern, and shackle shimming vulnerabilities in locks has been known for many decades. That pick is such a specialty tool that I'm really not worried about most disc detainer locks being picked, at least by thieves of opportunity.
2 pieces cut from a soda can
@@AndyGneiss Yeah, cutting, grinding and shimming are the primary attack vectors on such locks. This disc detainer core would be just fine in any medium level security setting, but here it's just there to look pretty while a piece of stiff cardboard is used to pop the thing open.
The shimming vulnerability is because of the adjustable design. If they had used a ball bearing locking mechanism to solve the problem it would require the user to hold the key in the unlock position while adjusting the shackle height. That would be quite awkward with only two hands. I'm sure there is an alternative solution but it would a bit different, and different is always expensive.
@@joeschmoe6908 Absolutely! You can't shim a ball bearing.
He said the thing!!
I'd love to hear how Bosnian Bill is getting on. Each time that tool gets brought out I remember a legend of the community that retired from youtube to help out those in need.
So fun to watch a professional
Thanks for sharing.
Considering it's a Disk Detainer core, the shims are the easiest vulnerability to fix. You don't see very many disk detainer core items in any store in the US unless it's a specialty store for those sorts of items, or Amazon.
When I was a kid, I'd open that style of lock by sliding the lock all the way up the shackle then slide it down quickly. The locking pawl couldn't catch in the shackle quick enough. This more modern lock probably has stronger springs that lock quicker...
Thanks for sharing! Stay Healthy!
I like the addition of what the lock should be used for. It gives a better idea than high/low security for anyone like me who's not familiar with security.
Depending on the application, you may not have the space to get shims into the lock, leaving picking as the only option, and since that requires special tools and skills, this could actually be a pretty secure lock, as long as you take into account the vulnerabilities. Of course most thieves won't bother with either shims or picking and will simply take an angle grinder to the shackle and have the lock off in seconds.
Just a side note... the space you are using for shimming will also cause crevice corrosion in a later state if used outdoor.
I really don't get how they can still be building locks that can be shimmed.
I mean, other than Master Lock who obviously does not GAF of course.
I like this addition.. when is this particular lock a good option.. Holding a barndoor closed.. keeping a propane bottle closed..
While some locks will get the label : perfect paper-weight.. there are some mediocre locks that can still serve a purpose.
Use only 316 stainless on any outside lock. 304 is for appliances... You rock LPL
Above average build quality, below average security. I rolled my eyes when the shims came out. _"Too bad, so sad!"_
"Handy for locking a propane bottle to a grill" I wonder if Hank sells these at Strickland Propane ?
For the low skill intrusion, I think the idea is that you push the lock right up against the item it's locking so you'd have a hard time or it would be impossible to get shims between the lock body and that item.
My first thought when seeing the thumbnail was "shims". I have never picked a lock in my life. I must be learning here.
Just another lock that keeps an honest person, honest.
I don't know if its my middle age or the fact LPL has been away, but I had completely forgotten about shims.
Mind you, in the meantime I have been watching *Forgotten Weapons* and my mechanical mind is now full of locking lugs, bolt carriers, firing pins and return springs, instead.
So when I was young my parents would use this kind of lock to lock the doors on the entertainment center to stop us from watching TV all the time. Funny thing is when you push the lock up so its between two divots, you can then hit the lock with a rubber hammer hard and it will just fly off the shackle.
That's more or less exactly the way shimming works.. The only real difference is that the locking extenders have no time to re-engage in your case, while the shims keep them compressed.
Thanks
Wow, two different defeats in just over 3 minutes…that’s gotta be a record 😊
"Above average build quality" and "some low security outdoor application" is pretty good praise compared to what most locks on this channel get.
It’s always a good day when the pick that LPL and Bosnian Bill made comes out to play. Miss ya Bill, hope you’re doing well.
I happy he still says the pick that bosnian Bill and i made. He could easily have dropped it to promote his webshop item. Respect!
CI doesn't sell the disc detainer pick as I recall. They licensed it to Sparrows.
Great video and very informative.
You already know when LPL's video is only 3 minutes long, it's over for that lock company.
but masterlock still exist somehow
3 minutes made me think it was a decent lock, but it turned out to contain 3 flaws in that time.
I don’t know. Only 2 vulnerabilities by LPL doesn’t seem so bad. He’s just that good.
Welcome back. I had begun to worry.
"this lock is worthy of my grill's propane cylinder" is the deadest i've ever seen someone unalive somebody.
- Hey Steve, how did the guy from cell four escape?
- Don't know, boss, just heard him mumbling something about number two being lose, probably a zero-cut...
Ah, the return of the classic "Pick BosnianBill and I Made".
Best disc detainer pick ever.
The logo on the lock body is cool as hell.
I just heard some comforting words...
I could see the option of a spacer/cover between the locked object and the body of this lock, to cover the shimming holes.
304 stainless steel means it's gonna rust in days if you use it near or at sea (like on a boat). I've tried so many 304 locks for my outboard, you can break them barehanded after a year or so. 316 is what you want instead.
When the internet needed it most, the pick that LPL and Bosnian Bill made returned
Didn’t watch for a while. Saw this disc core. Wondered what pick will be used. No disappointment there 💪💪
LPL: "...and we got this open!"
Me: [at home in my sweat pants, never touched a lock pick in my life] "We sure did! Awesome teamwork dude!"
RIP Bill you will always be loved
He's not dead, so using RIP is inappropriate as hell.
@eidodk well excuse me I thought he was
1:35 I really miss Bill. I hope he and his loved ones are well.
"...that BosnianBill and I made." AH... sweet words, i've missed you.
TPTBB&LPLM is back! 🎇🤩👍🎇
Picking isn’t an issue. That held up better than 80% of locks. Shimming does seem to be a problem though
I do like how they did the lettering, that looks pretty cool.
Good for attaching a propane cylinder to your grill. Brilliant. The manufacturer should put that on the packaging.
"I believe it's a zero cut"... keys right there.
Lockpickinglawyer is the real GOAT of ASMR
I don't need to.
I can't be the only one who finds his voice soothing and relaxing.
The shimmying feels like the biggest flaw of the two
LPL: "disc detainer core"
Viewers: *go wild*
Thank you for making your videos! Challenge: design & prototype your own Locks for scrutiny-- will they be too expensive to mass manufacture?
Great video!
i always enjoy your presentations... too bad my dexterity cant even come close to the facility you have developed with those locks....
Eyes open no fear. Be safe everyone. And as always have a nice day. - Good start to my Thurs.
LPL makes sure to give credit to Bill every single time
Just when you least expect it, the lock picking lawyer pops up with a video where he says the line! I honestly didn't even expect the line (though I should have known because of the disk detainer core) until he rotated them clockwise.
Incredible that lock companies still makes locks that can be shimmed open just like that.
Should straight up be illegal to call it a lock if it can be shimmed...
He said the thing! He said the thing!
He called the disks pins. There's our fluke, guys!
"The pick" is back!
YES! 'The pick that Bosnian Bill and I made' 👍