I got lucky enough to witness BNSF load testing an SD40 a few years ago, even being 100+ feet away, I could feel the power and it was so intense that it set car alarms off in the BNSF employee parking lot. all I can say is there's nothing quite like the sound they make, hearing EMDs roaring from the engine room of a boat is a unique sound too
Sounds like it is screaming but the engine is only turning around 900rpms in run 8. What a magnificent sound those 2 stroke engines make, nothing like it!
That's the cool thing about the EMD 2-stroke. A V16 2-stroke at 900 rpm sounds like a V8 4-stroke at 3600 rpm. Or listen to a V20 Detroit Diesel 149 at 2100 rpm. It sounds like it's pissed off at the world.
@@JungleYT I ride Metrolink to my university, having started to do so this year. Unfortunately, all of them were replaced by F125s by 2020, I was 2 years too late...
@@fortcrafterbossbehold9027 OK, with all due respect could you speak English to me... Not familiar with all of the engine numbers! What type of engine was in the F-59? And how similar is it to what's in the F125 and "MPI MP40AC"???
@@Mattb81 Back in the day,yes. Nowadays,alot of crews dislike EMD units when it comes to tractive effort and dynamic braking.They still respect the GP40-2's & SD40-2's just like the older men all did.The only benefits alot of EMD units uphold over modern GE units is that traction loads faster and that they are great for road switching.There's also the notoriety that they won't catch on fire like a GE unit.
As far as I know this unit is still running, along with many other former CN units upgraded to Dash-3 specs. I don't think even EMD's engineers imagined that some of the SD40's they were building in 1970 would still be in regular service more than 50 years later.
The EMD 645 is actually indestructible. Many commuter roads still rely on locomotives based on the proven GP40-2 and F40PH platforms. MBTA was/is overhauling their 30 year old F40PH-2Cs, I would not be surprised if they lasted another 30 years.
When alot of these modern EMD & GE units inevitably get scrapped or put into storage,there will always be GP40-2's & SD40-2's around. Those were really the last great units built by EMD because afterwards that's when problems arised,repeatedly.Some examples of that are what happened with the SD45's,GP50's,and SD50's. It's still incredible that there are even older EMD units still around getting prolonged usage,regardless if it's not much.This also includes ancient GE & ALCO switchers.
There was a little bit of smoke, especially at first. There was a bit of a puff when the maintainer hit Run 5. I was speculating this may have been the first time they started this unit in at least several days (maybe was OOS?).
Major ear candy. Before i started working for the railroad diesel exhaust didn't bother me. After being forced to breath it at times during my career , i now do my best to avoid breathing it. It used to have a sweet acrid smell of pure power. Now that i think about it, At 1:39 the hi speed fan kicks in. Great recording for a train layout modeling the diesel house/ roundhouse.
The way commercial diesel is refined and blended has changed a lot over the last 35 years and OEMs have been raising compression higher and higher on the engines.
I do believe older EMDs did a surging type action when in run 8, the motor is full bore and keeps sending more power to the traction motors. and then dies back down to correct itself from overloading.
Indeed! The SD60's do have a rather pronounced howl to them at notch 6-8, especially when pulling grade. You can sometimes hear that howl from miles away.
This is why you do a load test to make sure the engine is loading correctly. As evidenced by the exhaust there is a load issue that they are working out.
UP uses more EMD on their trains than BNSF does. Proven on serval live webcams and videos :) Sadly in denmark, the guverment dislikes the EMD's as they are "unhealthy for passengers and climate" True but IDGAF Rather die by the cause of EMD than electroshock lol
unfit factory governor and fit a a custom one. alternatively, throttle connections can be altered to be always low on idle position, 1-8 same, 9 full throttle ungoverned
Funny you mention that. We had an SD38-2 CNW 6669 later became UPY815 rebuild (i think it was more a repaint and Remote control locomotive conversion than a actual light rebuild) that overspeeded past the usual notch 8 rpm. Being the railnut i am i knew this. The first hump shove as the Y815 "John Doe" shoved up the hump lead and as his person got to the hump his (my favorite) locomotive's engine shut down. Every blue moon it would do that but it always had that one extra notch sound to it. I have video and audio but, i can only show it when i either get fired or retired.
Before i became a railroader that smell was amazing. After working around it for 22 years i don't like it anymore and now i'm more concerned about my heath. Especially since one of our engineers died of leukemia which i think long term exposure to diesel exhaust might cause. Don't quote me on that one though. i think i read it somewhere.
You are correct, it is self load test, but it tests the main gen, engine and dynamic grids/fans all at once. Self load is a good test of the dynamic system. If a grid is going to blow, self load is usually when it will happen.
Several years ago I was at 5 row watching trains. Nice 2.7% up grade when they come south bound from the river. Here comes a newly painted GP38-2 in the lead followed by three (3) dirty looking SD40-2 h/hoods and about 75 cars. All 4 locomotives were running wide open and moving at about 5-7 mph. YES all 4 were pulling. I know that NS has the “3 under power rule” but it clearly wasn’t being observed on this day. I stood there within 10 feet of the track. The sound, smell, moving air,, & rumble was almost supernatural feeling. They could have run me over and I don’t believe I would have cared. I would have met my maker in bliss. My girl was sitting on my motorcycle about 50 feet from the tracks. She had never been that close to running locomotives before. That night she told me that the sound and rumble was so intense while sitting there ...that she had gotten wet.
Presumably they do a notch-8 test to check for leaks. (At 6:30 that looks like steam from coolant coming from the fans of the other loco). No point in sending out a faulty unit.
Odd for the horn to be in front of the dynamic brake fans and near the exhaust. Most railroads place the horn back near the radiator fans for less mouse in the cab and to keep horn from freezing up. All EMD turbocharged locomotives built 1980 and after have the exhaust silencers on them, so if this had one, it wouldn't be quite as loud.
1:50 Is it me, or is something funky with the governor? The engine sounds like it's RPM keeps going up and down. (You can even see the change in the exhaust)
SD40's usually have somewhat of a surge normally, but this one is surging more frequently than it should. Could be the electronic governor on it (since it's a -3) or something else.
Under service load the alternator is resisting the engine trying to force it to slow down so there is no surging at power via the load resisting the power. When run up testing there is no load to slow the RPMs so the governor has to step in at the limit pulling the RPM back, then it repeats. Governor surge or "oscillation".
That is one hell of a sound, "oh yeah" is right, lol. Edit: I come back to this so often, I'm gonna go deaf... Edit 2: This sound, is unfortunately getting rarer where I live. I guess CSX prefers their GEVOs, which isn't bad, but I miss the even distribution of FDL's and EMD's from like, five, ten years ago.
The load governor is slightly out of adjustment. It's a condition called hunting. As in hunting for a speed range. Either mechanical wear, or other components as I believe these engines use engine oil pressure to regulate speed, is starting to get to the far end of usable specification. The other possibility is the alternator field control is out of adjustment and it is not holding a stable value of current to excite the main alternator. Could even be a combination of the two. It's not detrimental until the swing really starts getting obnoxious, it's just audibly annoying now.
What a beautiful thing. Wonder what was going on with unit 2001 down on the other end. Looked like some troubles from near the radiators. Maybe rear traction motor?
@@PC10.8 Shorter 'porch', indicative of an SD40 vs a built SD40-2, ladder cab access vs. stair cab access, indicative of Canadian railroad use (Canadians liked to climb ladders as opposed to stairs for some reason), and the warning bell mounted between the number boards all screams CP.
@@silicon212 I have a friend who worked for GMD in London Ontario and he was telling me that the best way to tell the difference between the GMD aka Canadian built SD40/40-2 is the vertical ladder as you mentioned whereas the American SD40/40-2 aka EMD versions all had the stair type access. Also the reason for the vertical ladder was to help prevent snow accumulating and creating potential slip and fall hazards in the Northern regions of Canada where Snow becomes very deep and somewhat of a nuisance for crews to keep removing Also most of the Canadian built locomotives have removable grates in the Catwalks to help prevent snow accumulation that is the main reason for it. I also was told the vertical steps were also meant to help keep certain wildlife from climbing onto the locomotives themselves as a detterent feature as well.
There has to be some sort of load on it , right ? Is there a way they can load it with the traction motors ? I can't see just leaving it in neutral and going WFO... Sounds awesome though....would love to hear 4 or 5 together at dash 8
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I got lucky enough to witness BNSF load testing an SD40 a few years ago, even being 100+ feet away, I could feel the power and it was so intense that it set car alarms off in the BNSF employee parking lot. all I can say is there's nothing quite like the sound they make, hearing EMDs roaring from the engine room of a boat is a unique sound too
Sounds like it is screaming but the engine is only turning around 900rpms in run 8. What a magnificent sound those 2 stroke engines make, nothing like it!
That's the cool thing about the EMD 2-stroke. A V16 2-stroke at 900 rpm sounds like a V8 4-stroke at 3600 rpm.
Or listen to a V20 Detroit Diesel 149 at 2100 rpm. It sounds like it's pissed off at the world.
@@andyharman3022 What were the old Metrolink F59s? Sounded just as sweet...
@@JungleYT I ride Metrolink to my university, having started to do so this year. Unfortunately, all of them were replaced by F125s by 2020, I was 2 years too late...
@@JungleYT Occasionally I do run across a MPI MP40AC so I still occasionally get to hear 2 stroke glory...
@@fortcrafterbossbehold9027 OK, with all due respect could you speak English to me... Not familiar with all of the engine numbers! What type of engine was in the F-59? And how similar is it to what's in the F125 and "MPI MP40AC"???
Everything is so sparkly clean, it looks like a model RR set. The roar and tone say "I'm real!!!"
I am a retired 40 year Conrail/CSX engineer EMDs use to talk to us.
You engineering
Far better than the GEs
@@Mattb81
Back in the day,yes.
Nowadays,alot of crews dislike EMD units when it comes to tractive effort and dynamic braking.They still respect the GP40-2's & SD40-2's just like the older men all did.The only benefits alot of EMD units uphold over modern GE units is that traction loads faster and that they are great for road switching.There's also the notoriety that they won't catch on fire like a GE unit.
incredible sound. I have this saved as one of the definitive EMD run 8 sounds
As far as I know this unit is still running, along with many other former CN units upgraded to Dash-3 specs. I don't think even EMD's engineers imagined that some of the SD40's they were building in 1970 would still be in regular service more than 50 years later.
These were revolutionary
The EMD 645 is actually indestructible. Many commuter roads still rely on locomotives based on the proven GP40-2 and F40PH platforms. MBTA was/is overhauling their 30 year old F40PH-2Cs, I would not be surprised if they lasted another 30 years.
alot of smaller railroads are still running gp-9s and other similar even older locomotives. EMD built them right
When alot of these modern EMD & GE units inevitably get scrapped or put into storage,there will always be GP40-2's & SD40-2's around.
Those were really the last great units built by EMD because afterwards that's when problems arised,repeatedly.Some examples of that are what happened with the SD45's,GP50's,and SD50's.
It's still incredible that there are even older EMD units still around getting prolonged usage,regardless if it's not much.This also includes ancient GE & ALCO switchers.
Some are ex-CN, some are ex-CP.
Ahh, I love listening Butler Shop’s Symphony of the Load Test in the Key of SD40-3. You could say it was ‘top notch’
HaHa
@@BlakesTrainsandMore4014 I love coming here as well!
Ba-dum-tss!
Oh my God. That is music to my ears.
My computer when it s trying to read a CD
it smokes too??
And turbo charged? : D
Tom Smith---zack need to try regen mode-then it shoots smoke and fire!!
Zack Boone 😂😂😂 I’ve heard Computers at school make this sound
*[Burst into flames]*
I get to listen and see these beasts every day. BP always puts on a great show.
Nice I catch the BLE and B&P trains
who doesn't like the sound of mechanical thunder?
@@eoinpkav152 ha no he's not. Ye har all's I can say
A living machine. Love that sound.
People trying to sleep.
Mechanical Thunder....... can't be any better put!!!
nice. beautiful sound of this loco. sweet music to my ears.
Someone needs to compile a bunch of EMD sounds on a DVD.. These would sell
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I can feel the ground rumbling from here 😂
What a glorious sound.
There really is nothing like the sound of a 16-645E3, even at idle
I love to listen to this before going to bed. it's the best notch 8 video I've ever seen.
I wonder will trains be in heaven?? I love that sound!!!!!!
A heaven without trains doesn't sound like heaven to me ;)
@@jamesm6638 🤣🤣🤣
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I know that's right!
Bible says heaven is perfect.. I take it that means sd40's will never be retired and turbos will never go bad 😁
Load banking notch 8 , they are taking good care of engine . smooth impulses n clean exhaust . Smooth power flow to main generator is evident.
There was a little bit of smoke, especially at first. There was a bit of a puff when the maintainer hit Run 5. I was speculating this may have been the first time they started this unit in at least several days (maybe was OOS?).
Major ear candy. Before i started working for the railroad diesel exhaust didn't bother me. After being forced to breath it at times during my career , i now do my best to avoid breathing it. It used to have a sweet acrid smell of pure power. Now that i think about it, At 1:39 the hi speed fan kicks in. Great recording for a train layout modeling the diesel house/ roundhouse.
The way commercial diesel is refined and blended has changed a lot over the last 35 years and OEMs have been raising compression higher and higher on the engines.
wow I fell in love with that sound it's incredible masterful. by god greetings from argentina 🇦🇷
Lucky to see an SD-70 wide open at Alsthom shop in Hornel,NY. Wow!
The best notch 8 on youtube !
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This is the best video ever of doing test notching.
Excellent ! Nice to see a video of notch 8 without bell/whistle noise muffling the sound. Did you still taste diesel in your mouth later ?
Beautiful sound. Love it
I do believe older EMDs did a surging type action when in run 8, the motor is full bore and keeps sending more power to the traction motors. and then dies back down to correct itself from overloading.
it did that in run 6-7.
If this is a -3 it should have microprocessor engine control in place of the Woodward governor.
what does b and p means?
Buffalo and Pittsburgh
You are correct I used to have to go and retorque the mains after a 6 plus hour load test. They would surge.....and surge.....
Worked for Queensland Railway Australia in the load test building. Awesome manly thumping from the engines at full load.
I Love the SD40's no matter what! But overall my opinion, the SD60'S are my favorite being Load Tested (The Howl)!
Indeed! The SD60's do have a rather pronounced howl to them at notch 6-8, especially when pulling grade. You can sometimes hear that howl from miles away.
I love seeing the B&P SD60 units seen 7: of 9
@@NJP76No Lie about it, Loved the Ex-Santa Fe Units, well the GP60’s Mainly!
What a GREAT AWESOME CATCH. BEAUTIFUL SOUND...... V 16 at 8 BABY
THAT TURBO
tell me about it! they are my favorite sound too!
Steven Michael u should hear a turbo on a SD70ACE crawling up a hill
Not sure if you are talking about the whirring noise ... that is from the cooling fans. The whine is the turbo. :D
The deep howl is from the alternator.
Main pitch is the generator
This is why you do a load test to make sure the engine is loading correctly. As evidenced by the exhaust there is a load issue that they are working out.
2017 ....... ah but the old SD40 still my favorite
A lot of the railroads are bringing them back as all the GE stuff fails
UP uses more EMD on their trains than BNSF does. Proven on serval live webcams and videos :) Sadly in denmark, the guverment dislikes the EMD's as they are "unhealthy for passengers and climate" True but IDGAF Rather die by the cause of EMD than electroshock lol
Love that sound
Oh yeah? My EMD goes to Notch 9! (In my dreams.)
unfit factory governor and fit a a custom one.
alternatively, throttle connections can be altered to be always low on idle position, 1-8 same, 9 full throttle ungoverned
Funny you mention that. We had an SD38-2 CNW 6669 later became UPY815 rebuild (i think it was more a repaint and Remote control locomotive conversion than a actual light rebuild) that overspeeded past the usual notch 8 rpm. Being the railnut i am i knew this. The first hump shove as the Y815 "John Doe" shoved up the hump lead and as his person got to the hump his (my favorite) locomotive's engine shut down. Every blue moon it would do that but it always had that one extra notch sound to it. I have video and audio but, i can only show it when i either get fired or retired.
Andy Harman it would with VTEC !!!😄😄😄
Notch 8 is simply...art.👍
Probably the best sounding loco ever.
The EMD bass drumming sounds so good.
Sounds like the 32' Bombarde stop on the great organ of St Sulpice!
Bet that smelled amazing!
Before i became a railroader that smell was amazing. After working around it for 22 years i don't like it anymore and now i'm more concerned about my heath. Especially since one of our engineers died of leukemia which i think long term exposure to diesel exhaust might cause. Don't quote me on that one though. i think i read it somewhere.
@@BossSpringsteen69 Electromagnetic field exposure from traction motors which are directly under the engineers seat are another big risk factor.
Yes sir!!!!!!!!!!!
Loved the smell of it when I saw it a couple months ago
@@carlzipperman6689 That shouldn't be an issue, should it? There's a massive earthed steel plate between you and the motors.
Very great love that sound EMD
Nice EMD Sound! Nice Video :)
I think the unit was in Full dynamic power, actually. I can hear all fans and see all fans running.
Self load test
You are correct, it is self load test, but it tests the main gen, engine and dynamic grids/fans all at once. Self load is a good test of the dynamic system. If a grid is going to blow, self load is usually when it will happen.
Several years ago I was at 5 row watching trains. Nice 2.7% up grade when they come south bound from the river. Here comes a newly painted GP38-2 in the lead followed by three (3) dirty looking SD40-2 h/hoods and about 75 cars. All 4 locomotives were running wide open and moving at about 5-7 mph. YES all 4 were pulling. I know that NS has the “3 under power rule” but it clearly wasn’t being observed on this day.
I stood there within 10 feet of the track. The sound, smell, moving air,, & rumble was almost supernatural feeling. They could have run me over and I don’t believe I would have cared. I would have met my maker in bliss.
My girl was sitting on my motorcycle about 50 feet from the tracks. She had never been that close to running locomotives before. That night she told me that the sound and rumble was so intense while sitting there ...that she had gotten wet.
That's beast mode right there :)
Wow. That’s awesome!
best thing since sliced bread!
1:00--cleaning the carbon!!!
Show de bola parabéns!!!
If your asking about engine 42 that is an SW1500
the fans are kicking on and off
yea CN sd40 number 5157 (built in 5/1970) is test loading
This is a real treat to see these machine under test. Mr plinket?
If you could get that ~Notch 4 low frequency rumble on a 10 hour loop i'd appreciate it :)
very cool shot
Nothing sounds as awesome as a 16-645E3B under full power
EMD sound is the best!
Good stuff!
Presumably they do a notch-8 test to check for leaks. (At 6:30 that looks like steam from coolant coming from the fans of the other loco). No point in sending out a faulty unit.
It accomplishes a few things at once, checking for leaks, checking the prime mover and blowing out the engine to name a few.
Can someone enlighten me on head temperatures in the new ones running 80% natural gas. Cooler or hotter????
At first it sounded like it was about to go into notch 10.
Odd for the horn to be in front of the dynamic brake fans and near the exhaust. Most railroads place the horn back near the radiator fans for less mouse in the cab and to keep horn from freezing up. All EMD turbocharged locomotives built 1980 and after have the exhaust silencers on them, so if this had one, it wouldn't be quite as loud.
Awesome! :-D
Can someone tell me what the name of the train in the front is?
load bank! buncha west stack there and someone needs to adjust the governor
Impresionante ver está máquina de hacero saludos te veo i te escucho suerte
1:50 Is it me, or is something funky with the governor? The engine sounds like it's RPM keeps going up and down. (You can even see the change in the exhaust)
test load. it will not do like this on ride.
SD40's usually have somewhat of a surge normally, but this one is surging more frequently than it should. Could be the electronic governor on it (since it's a -3) or something else.
They are load testing. It wouldn't actually do this.
East American, they are doing many things at once. Checking the governor being one of them.
Under service load the alternator is resisting the engine trying to force it to slow down so there is no surging at power via the load resisting the power. When run up testing there is no load to slow the RPMs so the governor has to step in at the limit pulling the RPM back, then it repeats. Governor surge or "oscillation".
Watching the pulse in the stack
Very good vidios
That is one hell of a sound, "oh yeah" is right, lol. Edit: I come back to this so often, I'm gonna go deaf... Edit 2: This sound, is unfortunately getting rarer where I live. I guess CSX prefers their GEVOs, which isn't bad, but I miss the even distribution of FDL's and EMD's from like, five, ten years ago.
Doing an oil change and making sure all the old oil gets drained really good....
j snidow the engine would of seized
What happened with the first loco??She overheated??
Sensational
Fans working overtime
Imagine hearing this and then seeing 1309 pulling the notch eight demon.
Sounds like the governor is off.
I noticed it doing a little hunting in notch 8 as well. Almost seemed like it was lightly loading then unloading, and repeating the cycle.
WOW . . . Wonder if you can get much more out of the engine, like another notch (9)?
At that point you would throw a rod through the block.
Nice catch yo
Use headphones it sounds like your there
Go full blast I dare you to
@@melissajenkins4285 ha lol all ready there n with over the ear for ballsy bass. Ye har
Now drop it in fwd :)
In an engine facility?
Any way you could drop that thing in "gear" while it's running notch 8?
I imagine the wheels would just spin like crazy.
Everyone: sound sounds soundy da dee sound!
Me: where is the spongebob square cab
They don’t have any
was she in get up and go gear or just sitting there?
Awesome
So quick question while in notch 8 at one point there is some exhaust then it spews out more then back to little exhaust. Please explain.
The load governor is slightly out of adjustment. It's a condition called hunting. As in hunting for a speed range. Either mechanical wear, or other components as I believe these engines use engine oil pressure to regulate speed, is starting to get to the far end of usable specification. The other possibility is the alternator field control is out of adjustment and it is not holding a stable value of current to excite the main alternator. Could even be a combination of the two. It's not detrimental until the swing really starts getting obnoxious, it's just audibly annoying now.
Also could be injector wear. The governor can only do its job as accurate as the injectors properly admit fuel into the cylinders.
Excellent. ♡ T.E.N.
Thanks Tracy do u do much railfanning on the B&P ?
Audio therapy.
my name is tarik shalha and i love sd40 locos in NOTCH 8 LOAD TESTS
you can tell that's a Butler rebuild
What a beautiful thing. Wonder what was going on with unit 2001 down on the other end. Looked like some troubles from near the radiators. Maybe rear traction motor?
EMD rules!!! :D
Yes. 645 natural and turbo baby.
Ha as well
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sound of music!!!!
sound just like a GT26CW
Imagine it kicking a rod right when the guy was walking down the walkway.
I've seen one throw a rod I was the engineer that day and still have that rod and piston.
so bad ass
Nice video
Thanks !
3344 looks to have started life as a CP SD40.
How can you tell?
@@PC10.8 Shorter 'porch', indicative of an SD40 vs a built SD40-2, ladder cab access vs. stair cab access, indicative of Canadian railroad use (Canadians liked to climb ladders as opposed to stairs for some reason), and the warning bell mounted between the number boards all screams CP.
Ah, I see. I can’t really tell the difference between heritages 😅
@@silicon212 I have a friend who worked for GMD in London Ontario and he was telling me that the best way to tell the difference between the GMD aka Canadian built SD40/40-2 is the vertical ladder as you mentioned whereas the American SD40/40-2 aka EMD versions all had the stair type access. Also the reason for the vertical ladder was to help prevent snow accumulating and creating potential slip and fall hazards in the Northern regions of Canada where Snow becomes very deep and somewhat of a nuisance for crews to keep removing Also most of the Canadian built locomotives have removable grates in the Catwalks to help prevent snow accumulation that is the main reason for it. I also was told the vertical steps were also meant to help keep certain wildlife from climbing onto the locomotives themselves as a detterent feature as well.
Engine is hunting and you can see the turbo lag in the exhaust. Could be any number of problems causing this condition.
I’m guessing the load test was to find the reason for the hunting
What is the governor running up against? way the fluctuation in RPM?
Not sure why governor is up and down like that but yeah i see what u mean.
Daniel Kennedy some of the Mbta F40PH-2C fluctate as well :/
turbo 645's always surged a little bit at high rpm,about 10 rpm it is normal.
There has to be some sort of load on it , right ? Is there a way they can load it with the traction motors ? I can't see just leaving it in neutral and going WFO... Sounds awesome though....would love to hear 4 or 5 together at dash 8
c warner loaded through the dynamic brake grid
Defrosting the windshield
The engineers don't wave from the trains anymore, not like they did back in 1954