KORG NAUTILUS KRONOS CX3 - The Best Hammond Organ (on a synth)
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- Demo and review of the CX3 Sound Engine on the KORG NAUTILUS and KORG KRONOS which emulates the HAMMOND B3 ORGAN and LESLIE ROTARY SPEAKER.
Agenda:
- Introduction to CX-3 sound engine
- History of the Korg CX-3
- Performance controls
- Tone editing
- Organ vs piano playing technique
- Use of expression pedal
- Comparison with stage keyboards
- Dedicated Hammond organ clones
- Playing favorite preset sounds
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I may not be able to afford these beautiful digital pianos. But your playing is always catchy! Keep up the good work!
Sensational playing! Thank you!
thank you so much for playing and information. Very clearly explained
3:46 That is one beautiful board!
This was really great. Now have a birds eye view when my Nautilus AT gets here.
I think Korg put a lot of value in the Nautilus and your video's are showing really what it can do. I am back playing keyboards and have the MODX7 and can see where this one would really be a great addition with its lush sounds as well. Another GREAT job by the Piano Shack!! Also whiter shade was very well done. Its too bad us keyboardist don't have an endless supply of money cause the want list just keeps growing. :-)
You'd be better off taking the money you'd use to get the Nautilus, save a bit more and get a Montage. It's only a couple of bucks more expensive than the Nautilus. Or a Nord Stage.
If you have a MODX, no need to get a Nautilus for B3 organ sounds. Buy the Organimation collection for Montage/MODX. About equal to the best organ sounds available for Kronos. Nautilus users loose out as that synth is incompatible with Kronos sounds even though, the DNA of the sound engines is the same. Seems ludicrous to me for Korg to over look this.
@BrunodeSouzaLino Better off to forego an instrument with 60 gb of sample memory an ssd, streaming sample playback, multiple virtual analog synths. physically modeled string engine, and vector synthesis/wave sequencing capabilities? What does Montage bring to the party that would make you "better off"? It doesn't have a proper organ engine, either.
Great content. I never used the organs in my Nautilus because of my Nord Stage 3. Thanks for sharing.
Here I definetively discovered you're a great H Organ player: you know the best licks and have the right touch: bravo bravo!
that means a lot, thanks!
While LS probably is Lonnie Smith, there was also a range of Leslie amps called LS. And of course, Kronos has an LS version of the keybed.
People get ready there's a train a comin yeah. You don't need no ticket, no, you just get onboard. Love it bro. I love my Nautilus. I have the 88 key and I am still getting used to it. Playing around with the sounds and getting used to them. Soon I'll start compiling the sounds I want for my original songs and start recording them. I enjoy your vids sir.
Niacin refers to a trio with the same name. Billy Sheehan on bass, John Navello on keyboards / Hammond B3 and Dennis Chambers on drums. Check out their live album "Live! Blood, Sweat & Bears".
Wow. Thank you so much!
Nice playing...I have a Kronos LS with an after market set of organ patches...really like the options this keyboard offers...thanks for the review.
welcme and thanks
Great review. Roland VR09- one of the best hammonds on a normal keyboard with physical drawbars. I owned 2 Korg cx3 2001 versions, why i sold them is beyond me. The presets I'm A Believer does not sound even close to the Monkees organ which was probably a Vox Continental. Time is Tight sounded better but not real close. Never liked the overdrive on the CX3 although did not fiddle around with the drawbars back when i owned it, so maybe that was why?
Woody, do you think the Nautilus is as good or better than a used Kronos 1 (61 key)?
Kurzweil kb3 is the way to go! I actually got them both kronos and Kurzweil and Cx3 hardware. Kurzweil effects are killer!
I have 2 manual yamaha dgx 230 and p235. And a korg r3 with vocoder. I don't have a computer orcany if the attachments to create the sounds I want especially the hammond b3 sound like Gregg rolie from Santana and grand piano sounds jazz sounds as well as the basic fender. What else do I need to patch in sounds. I only haveca samsung tablet and phone
It sounds warm and sweet, like the original analog CX3.
I miss my old analog cx3, sold it half a year ago,
The Roland Integra-7 has a lot of settings in its SuperNatural organ; leakage, percussion switch (which does mute the 1’ drawbar) perc. soft level, normal level amongst many others. Just verified with mine and I was able to get a pretty good “Time of the Season” sound.
roland used to make some pretty fabulous clonewheels themselves, i owned a little module for a while, VR something or another, it was better than my Nord at the time. The FA and Integra use parts of that engine I believe, albeir rebranded to SuperNATURAL I heard some Roland reps on a live stream saying it's coming to Fantom, which is about time.
I purchased Hammond B3 x from IK multi media. One of the best Hammond vst
Also, it'd be nice if you could assign CC numbers to the virtual drawbars; then you could control them with a Korg Nanokontrol via USB
I own a Kronos61, I owned a Kurzweil PC3 and a Nord Stage3.
I sold the Kurzweil and the Nord. Reason is simple: I think VSTs are much better if you need to simulate an Hammond.
With IK Multimedia B3X you have a wonderful tool to play whatever type of tone wheel sound. Leslie simulation is really astonishing. You have stomp effects and post treatment. It is my favourite VST ever.
When I sold the Nord I bought a used Viscount Legend. It is a wonderful tonewheel clone, but Leslie is not as good as B3X.
I agree with Woody, inside workstations, Korg version is the best.
i highly appreciate the vsts too, but it's always a challenge finding a good quality controller or synth with the right layout of controls and keyboard type. interesting to hear you got the legend, as it's on my radar as an upgrade should I really get into this! have you ever compared with the crumar organs?
@@WoodyPianoShack You are absolutely right. Normal midi controllers are not perfect to be used as organ keys. I had an Arturia keylab 61 mkII but I had to sell it because playing "cluster swoosh" notes, you got stuck note every now and then.
Currently I am using a Native Kontrol s61 and it works much better, but it has no fader to change drawbar settings...
There is a GSI double keyboard for organs but a bit expensive (1200 euro if I remember well).
I bought a Viscount because there was a good offer (used once by a USA gospel band touring in my city) so I cannot talk about Crumar Mojo.
Viscount I bought was connected to a real Leslie and I fell in love with it immediately, it was a perfect emulation, all the guys in the shop were amazed of that sound.
A known jazz player, Alberto Gurrisi (check him on internet) told me that Ventilator II pedal is the best Leslie trick you can get, but it costs 400 euro... I think I should try that one!
@@WoodyPianoShack That is exactly the problem. If people play ORGAN, they need something designed to both look like a B3 (layout wise) have all the right buttons and drawbars like the real thing and also have a decent equal feeling of the keybed, wich is the hardest thing to get, cause a B3 keybed was build like a tank, and everything today is build in cheap plastic. The legend (full organ) is the only one that have a full B3 look. The Crumar ones have modded Fatar beds wich generally feels much better to play compared to nord E5 or later. I have a Mojo61 wich I am very pleased with. The build quality (paint job generally) is less than stellar. but the keys feels well ballanced (I tried out a Nord E5 and Hammond XK-1c) was disapointed and finally took the chance on what users were saying on the net, and the baught the Mojo61, and It turned out to have much better key feel than those 2. But you need to take care of the Mojo, as it gets scratches in the black paint very easy. The Mojo has a very decent leslie sim and the latest software update about a year ago added a more warm drive where you can simulate what happens when a real leslie with tubes is placed close to the organ wich makes the circuit go into some kind of electro mechanical loop with the organ when you turn up the volume. Some people like to add an Organ Grinder pedal wich adds a more analog overdrive than many of the digital organs.
If people use computers live, imo you can't beat the IK Multimedia Leslie sim. It is hands down the best sounding sim you can find imo.
The Gsi Vb3-II is propably one of the best Organ engines you can get. Its not a coincident even Wersi has licenced the Vb3 for use in their OAX organs
I know from people on the net that the Legend has the posibility to control most of the different Organ VST's that recieve the necessary cc's. The Mojo can too, but of cause the Mojo61 only have 1 set of drawbars
@@mrdali67 I can confirm that Viscount Legend can be used easily to drive IK Multimedia B3X. In November 2019 I had a concert for benefit.
I decided to connect Legend to B3X: without any programming, drawbars for upper manual were already working, I didn't do anything else. But all switches on Legend sends a MIDI CC, and all commands on B3X can be mapped.
So it is only a matter of 1-2 hours of MIDI mapping and you can have a perfect matching.
I think I will do it for the next concert when virus will be defeated
Lovely demo! Is there gonna be a demo about the VA Engine too? Keep up the great work!
thank you, no there won't be, all the editing parameters are too small and crammed on the screen for me to do any kind of decent demo, hard to see and hard to film, and probably quite boring :)
@@WoodyPianoShack Well since the engine is derived from the might Kronos it's out of doubt it's good anyways. Looking forward to more videos with the organs you aquired recently :D
I still have my Korg CX3 (2001 version). I've nearly sold it a few times - firstly when I got my Nord Stage, and latterly when I bought the Studiologic Numa Organ 2. That has some great sounds, and is very playable. But, when I put the two side by side and did a comparison, the CX-3 is way more playable - there is virtually no key travel required to make the note sound, which facilitates a very fast playing technique, and makes palm-swishing a joy. The wooden end-cheeks are a bit battered, and one of the program select buttons can be a little temperamental, but I can't bring myself to part with it.
As with the Rhodes emulation, the Kronos makes a very good job of the CX-3 sound - and, as you say, probably the best emulation I've heard from a synth. They've added a few more presets - the Niacin one was nice (check out Barbarian at the Gate, if you haven't heard it:
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- it's kinda like Focus on something bad). I still love my drawbars, though!
Again, very nice playing, sympathetic to the feel of the Hammond - you have a great all-round technique. Making me want to get hold of a Nautilus even more every time I watch one of your videos (I get the feeling you're quite taken with it!). Just wish it had aftertouch (I know that, obviously, neither the Rhodes nor the Hammond use this natively, but I've programmed my Nord to use aftertouch to bring in the rotary effect - and aftertouch would definitely be useful on the Nautilus' synth patches.)
cool to hear from an original owner, not so much into that niacin track though. the nautilus is a love/hate relationship, the quality and sounds are fantastic but, and it's a big but, i struggle with and dislike touch screen user interfaces, even on modern devices, and this feels like 2000 era interface... you'll probably be ok if you have great eyesight and really sharp pointy fingers.
@@WoodyPianoShack And this is still just a "facelift" of the Kronos ui on a smaller screen. It does sound more mordern and "Play Me" than the Kronos but its still basically the same interface underneath and the Kronos system was never easy even your used to the older Korgs. All those tabs and "short" wording of functions makes it a steep learning curve before you are just able to master basic edit functions. If people just want an easy to use "preset machine" where you only do light editing of attack, release etc. save it as a user sound on to the next, neither the Nautilus or Kronos is recommended. many people have had their Kronos for 10 years now and I bet if you get an honest anwer to how well they know it, its a very small ammount that really use the advanced functions in it. Its an instrument they could make a PHD for. Juat the Karma engine that has been dropped in the Nautilus is in its own unbelievable powerfull, if you are one of the few that is able to understand it and have the time and stamina to sit down and learn.
@@WoodyPianoShack Yes, watching the last few videos it does appear that the touch screen doesn't always seem to respond well. Eyesight going downhill and pudgy fingers so I'd probably fare even less well than you!
Thank you Woody, as always! I feel it only fair to say (and probably others have, below), that A Whiter Shade of Pale's iconic recording was in C, which does make a diff in trying to match the sound of it. Also, I was curious what Percussion settings the Nautilus used for it: was it 2nd or 3rd harmonic? And Slow or Fast and Normal or Soft. Thanks so much!
i',m normally just winging it, playing whatever first comes to mind without much attention to detail :p
Its very close to the classic "Jimmy Smith sound" You will find slightly different listings dependent what instrument people play it on. Generally its 788600000 3'rd perc. soft, fast. You can put the high drawbars somewhere between 0-1 to create some "leackage" effect if you can't adjust that on your instrument, but this is built into the Korg engine.There is quite much to fiddle with in the setup to make the sound a little more dirty. The key is also a major thing to get it to sound right too cause of the way the hammond drawbars work with each drawbar folding at different places, you may get a complete other sound if you don't play it in the original key :) The folding results in different tones gets boosted when you hit a note where one of the drawbars start to fold (fold - repeating tones 1 or 2 octaves lower in the top and higher in the bottom).
If I could make a suggestion to Keyboard makers(not that I think they would listen) is to look at the original 2 manual Crumar Mojo. Here you can actually take you favorite Hammond model, open it up and, find your multimeter and make some measurements on each drawbar and some other places inside the organ. put them into a .txt file and upload it to the organ and save it as a preset ..eg "A-100 58 Old caps" Great idea. To bad this hasn't been implemented in the Mojo61.
And if you have the meanings of either measuring a Leslie Rotor/Horn slow/fast speed, rotor/horn ramp up/ramp down, many software and dedicated keyboard organ engines can set these settings which is essential to get the leslie to sound how you like it to sound. You can also find listings online on avg speed settings on different Leslie models, but this can vary from speaker to speaker dependent on how old it is and how well it's been taking care off.. belts state, oiling on both Organ and Leslie motors
@@mrdali67 i think WSoP uses the 2nd harmonic on percussion, and perhaps not fast, for starters, and with less drawbars pulled out than the classic Jimmy Smith sound - (though I agree with what you say about the JS sound.) :) More reverb too.
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Korg CX3 algorithms are also in the Vox (=Korg) Continental Keyboard
I want one!!!
I guys . Happy new year . IMHO,
Roland and Korg are really cool when they développe their own sound, filters etc..
HAMMOND sound on Korg and Roland are simply not good enough.
Crumar MOJO, Viscount LEGEND, Hammond Sk sound great, more real.
I used to work with Elvio Previati ( keybduo) and Crumar team too ( some years ago), and they were 100% involved in Hammond sound recreation, side by side with real vintage A100 , b3, built in different years. That helps.
This video is cool ! Thanks .
JOsé / Normandy
HI Jose, I love to hear from people like you with some connections, please mention me to the lovely people at crumar and viscount, would love to try out and demonstrate a mojo or crumar! happy new year to you too :)
Very nice , but i wouldnt exchange my Nord 5D for it , the physical drawbars is half the way to play and to get the "Hammond" feeling ,Iam happy with my Genos/Nord combination
I'm just too contented now with my Roland VRO9 -B with it's awesome Hammond B3 clone incl. Leslie . . . 🎹🎹🎹 Benjie/Philippines.
Have you tried the ikmultimedia b3-x. It’s a thing of beauty. Also, Most keyboard players just don’t get the whole organ thing. They try to play “ keyboard” licks that don’t really work on organ. You’ve got the percussive touch that helps make it sound more authentic.
i am playing around with the 10 day trial now, but still leaning more towards the sound of blue3 and vb3. thanks for the compilment on the touch, working on it!
@@WoodyPianoShack VB3 is excellent too. The B-3X goes even further with effects if your trying to recreate the Jon Lord Deep Purple sound.
B-3X blows away the Kronos / Nautilus engines when it comes to rock sounds.
Yes, this is the very best organ VST. Can’t hear difference between this with some eq and real one. Note that korg emulates not perfectly already existing organ emulator.
Isn’t this very same CX-3 in Korg’s $1000 Vox Continental reissue?
Whilst its fair to say that keys is my second instrument. Since purchasing a Kronos on the back of your first Nautilus video, I have stopped using my Electro 5 because I think the CX-3 is more than good enough for my purposes.😊
sure thing, i reckon the cx-3 would give nord a run for its money
Hello, what do you think about the keybed of the 61 and 73 version. I have a Korg Krome 73, and the keybed is very very bad. Did the Nautils Keybed is very better ? thks ;)
i have kross, same as the krome i believe, naut is a step up in quality and feel.
@@WoodyPianoShack yes i confirm, the kross & krome have the same bad keybed :). thank you for your return, if the keybed is good, the Nautilus is exactly that i need
One of my favorite Hammond organ sounds is Richard wright of Pink Floyd on the live version of echoes in live in Pompeii
just organ!!😀, have more expression options!!, thanks for your interesting clone demo!!
I own a Korg Kronos but cant find the Lower Manual Jazz program. Is that only on a Nautilus?
no idea, you'll have to check the program list pdf.
I think “Smoke in Japan” refers to “Smoke on the Water” and “My Woman from Tokyo”. Man, I wanted a CX-3 so bad when I was a kid. Took me to age 55 before I could afford a real Hammond. An SKX. LOL
happy ending then!
Indeed, it was! Love your videos and greetings from “the oil patch” in North Dakota!
Hah. I remember combing through the presets in my Native Instruments bundle, and coming across “Lord Jon” as a patch. You knew what you were getting when you pulled that one up 😁
@@Roboprogs Yep, I think even my Fa-07 and my MX88 have those “Jon Lord” presets in one form or another. It’s always fun to scroll through presets and listen to how various manufacturers interpret that “B3 sound”.
The Montage/MODX has a CX-3 sample that I love.
@Xeraser It is
I really used to hate Yamaha’a organ sounds. Since the MOX, Yamahammer has had sweet onboard organs.
Not to be negative, but the Leslie cab sim needs a major rehaul, I wonder if that’s possible with update software?
yeah possible, but i find it unlikely that korg would invest time on that.
I like that Korg has kept that rounded, minimalist look of the M1, T series, Wavestation. And it sounds great. But that Hammond organ just has to have drawbars and some real wood.
You can actually find some 3'rd party knobs for the Kronos that makes it look more like a drawbar, but its still a bit off, because its a fader, not a drawbar. Those clicks when you pull the drawbars is essential when you register it on the fly, plus most of those faders on instruments that actually have 9 faders is way to short to give you just a litle idea of where the fader is if you have to compare it with the 9 positions on a drawbar.
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Crumar offers 2 different DiY (or finnished) Arduino faderboxes. You just have to have some basic tech understanding if you want to recode it for different instruments that don't follow the general CC standard for organ faders. The little one is a basic drawbar box with 9 drawbars in compact box and is very cheap if you put it together yourself.
www.gmlab.it/#projects
Get an Arturia KeyLab mkII. It has 9 faders, and small wooden inlays in the sides. 😁
There is one major workstation competitor to the Kronos and that is Kurzweil. Kurzweils like the PC3K have a very complete and accurate ogan emulation engine built in with drawbars, chorus, percussion and Leslie. I have a Kronos and a PC3K and I actually slightly prefer the Kurzweil, although both are excellent. The CX-3 is actually the only engine on the Kronos which I think exceeds most of the competition in terms of sound and features.
The organ is actually a place where the limited controls on th Nautilus really hurt it. On the Kronos, the faders can be used as drawbars in live performance, which is quite expressive (the Kurzweil has this too). But the Nautilus has no faders, so you're limited to awkwardly changing the drawbars one at a time on-screen, which isn't practical in the middle of a song.
About the Nautilus drawbars control, are there any MIDI CC or RPN/NRPN that make these accessible to an external MIDI controller, like the Nanokontrol for example ?
@@emmanuelguillard I looked at the Nautilus manual and it doesn't seem that you can. There is MIDI CC for the control knobs, but they don't work like drawbars. And there are no MIDI commands for the screen drawbars or the missing Kronos faders.
geoffk777 is your Kronos 1 or 2?
@@germanshepherdlover2613 Kronos 2-88. The standard black model with wooden end caps.
when u comapare pc4 or 2700 to this sound it sound like it stuck in time how bad it sounds even yamaha sound better from them
Great playing as usual, mate. That being out of the way, sound-wise I don't think the Nautilus is such a great leap forward for Korg.
thanks pal. well, fact is, it's the sound engines from the kronos after all... :)
@@WoodyPianoShack Hitting the nail right on the head.
It would be nice if you compared the Suzuki Hammond Sk1, Nord electro or Kurzweil PC3. I mean the Hammond organ
i agree. but don't have access to them sadly
@@WoodyPianoShack It's a pity, it could be interesting.I have the Kurzweil PC3 and I think the B3 in this instrument sounds much more faithful than in the Korg. And the best sounding Hammonds can be found in the Suzuki Hammond SK1. But that's just my opinion. Regards.
@@marcindrej5647 kurzweil aren't popular or common in europe as in the states, so very rarely come across one, thanks for sharing your thoughs!
@@WoodyPianoShack Woody, Kurzweil is a great instrument, he has great possibilities, he is amazing in a live band, he mixes great and puts the band on a higher level, it's amazing how this key sounds in a band. very convenient and easy, I recommend you give it a try.
@@WoodyPianoShack I would loan you my Kurzweil PC4 for a review if you weren't in a completely different country, making it a touch awkward! (I'm in Scotland).
It would be interesting to compare the Hammond SK pro series with the Nautilus, the YC, and the Nord. The Nautilus sounds like a nice emulation. It's is certainly much less expensive and lighter than the real thing, and the Nautilus has all the other features like the other included sound engines and such. However, IMHO, none of the emulations, including Hammond's emulation, sound as good as the real thing. Thanks for the video.
i totally agree, strength of the naut is of course it does so much more, and I'm pretty sure it would serve as a pretty decent organ in a gig! no real plans to get the Sk pro in for a demo, actually some of their other organ dedicated models are more attractive to me at the moment, who knows though, I'm always changing my mind about what I'm into!
Espetacular!
Kurzweil workstations offer tonewheel engines as well.
Kurzweil KB3 sounds much better than Korg.
I have a Kurzweil PC4 with the KB3 engine. Certainly sounds pretty damn good to my ears, but I couldn't really compare it to Korg CX3 because I've never tried it. Anyway I think the Kurzweil PC series are more of a hybrid between workstation and stage keyboard than pure workstation.
@@marktaylor7162 PC4 is perfect choise, it has all features of a top range workstation. You can tweak KB3 and get any tone you like, leslie simulation is not the best on the market, but it is good enough for any live gig.
I have the same on my Korg M50. Use a Neo Ventilator 1 or 2 i have both.. sweet. Breathes fire into all your organ patches
Great video as usual - thanks! But Korg's tonewheel emulation (I have a Kronos2 and I assume it's the same in the Nautilus) is the weakest part of it, for my ears it sounds like "plastic". If you need a real Hammond sound, just add a small expander like the HX3 or Legend. Even the Nord organs sound better ;)
@@midinotes Thanks for your reply! Of course, it’s almost impossible to play organ style in a weighted, non-waterfall keyboard. Although I think the intention of Korg was actually to create a Hammond clone section but in the end it’s only suitable in a band context where the organ doesn’t play a prominent role. Using plugins as "specialists" seems to be a good idea!
Are Rhodes toones or similar also on the Nautilus?
Nautilus has really good rhodes sounds
@@WoodyPianoShack Well thanks, l appreciate because l'm missing it on my Korg Pa4x. Maybe some link of a demo?
The chorus 3 is nicely emulated, but the Leslie is horrendous on fast, and the overdrive is fizzy like a fresh bottle of tonic
At 1:33 you play a bit of the legendary 'Back at the Chicken Sack'. I'd love you to upload a tutorial. Odd enough, there isn't a single organ tutorial about it. Can you believe it?. I can see what your left hand is doing. But not so with your right one. Thanks a lot. Cheers
i'm not sure if I have it down enough to teach it, highly recommend you check out tony monaco's youtube and hammond school, he does this tune wonderfully.
@@WoodyPianoShack Can't find the link where he plays it. May you post it?. Cheers
I have a Nautilus 88 that I use on gigs and I love, love, love it, but I still bring a Hammond XK-1C; its distortion is more authentic, and playing organ on a piano-action keybed isn't optimal.
I think after seeing these Nautilus videos that I am going to get the Nautilus instead of the Kronos. I had the Kronos 88 but it's extremely heavy and this synth seems to have all the features of the Kronos at a lighter weight and a lower price.
i wouldn't buy the naut for any weight savings, the 61 is really heavy! nor does it have all the features of the kronos, if you consider a busy control panel a feature.
The CX3 was a VCO organ, not tone wheel like the B3, yet sounded much better that Hammond's transistor organs. The Hammond Suzuki XB-2 is in. fact a simulation of the KORG BX3, not the B3 :)
that's funny! i remember playing an xb-2 in the music stores and falling in love with it, it seemed somehow so musical and hate to say "organic" compared to all the synths that i was playing at the time.
They recommend you use your fingernail rather than your fingertip. That might help the touchscreen be less fiddly?
i saw that on the official korg tutorial vids, it helps, but I like to keep my nails short :)
Plug ins and a laptop and synthesizers for doodlers
A 400 pound Hammond B3 for seasoned pros
I'd like to see a head on comparison of the Yamaha MODX running the Organimation sound library vs the best Nautilus organ collection.
I tend to think Organimation on the MODX would win, or at least be nearly equal to it.
Many people complain about the Kronos/Nautilus organ engine as being weak compared to a dedicated Hammond clone. And from all evidence I've seen, the very best organ sounds you can get for the Kronos (especially rock organs) is the Organimation package. I've also seen no evidence it sounds better on the Kronos than the MODX/Montage version.
Organimation is not compatible with the Nautilus because the Nautilus is very incompatible with the tons of sound libraries made for the Kronos, so be aware. I've checked on using the "leaves a lot to be desired" Kronos conversion tool, and it has been deemed incompatible with Nautilus.
Also, the MODX/Montage don't really need drawbars when running Organimation. Checkout the videos of the ingenious use of the Super Knob to turn drawbars on one at a time with a single knob either fast or slow. I think it's actually easier and more logical than using drawbars.
Still, Organimation for the MODX, Montage or Kronos will not equal the dedicated organ engine of a Hammond, Nord, Mojo, etc but then again......neither will the organ engine of the Kronos/Nautilus or Fantom for those that want to be picky. I run VB3 on my iPhone with a single cable to my MODX, same engine as the Mojo. It's a $15 app, connects to the MODX with a single cable, nothing to carry, and no stand needed as the MODX has room to place it. I imagine this solution would work for the Nautilus too, but not the Fantom/Fantom 0 as they lack an iOS audio interface unless you run a separate one.
I think Yamaha and Roland saw your video because in 2024 the Roland Fantom Ex and the Montage M have much better sounding organs that you could extensively edit that could top this now. Thank you for your work and attention to detail.
very flattering to think that, but i doubt if my vids or opinions have any influence on roland's or yamaha's roadmap, cheers anyway!
@@WoodyPianoShack You are greatly mistaken... I've spoken with reps of these companies and it's part of their marketing department to keep up with all the feedback. They're investing a lot of money and you have a good channel and enough engagement to make them pay attention to you even though they may never tell you.
"LS" stands for Lonny Smith, of course...
The CX-3 (the 2000 version) was endorsed by a number of well known organ players who created some presets for the machine. These were indicated by their initials sort of as a prefix in the preset name. LS being Lonnie Smith, there were also Tom Coster (TC), Brian Auger (BA), Al Kooper (AK) and Bill Champlin (BC) "donating" sounds.
I have to say that this might be my next work station if there is possibility to record all instruments as a song. I did own Roland FA-6 and I sold it quickly. I did not like the piano sound or organ sounds. It is funny, because I own an older version: Roland Juno-Gi and that has really really good piano sound and extremely cool organ sounds. But Juno-Gi is lacking the drum sound quality. So when I do mu songs, they do not sound so "solid".
i'm sure this has the solid sound you want, but myself, I can't imagine myself recording an entire song using the korg sequencer and touch screen UI. i'd use a computer sequencer, and the naut as a sound module.
LS = Lonnie Smith
That Leslie emulation is kinda painful tho tbh
I think It would be interesting
if you talked about a fantastic instrument that probably doesn't get the attention It deserves. I'm referring to the gsi gemini module (rack or tabletop) as It has the best hammond,rhodes,and clavinet I've heard in a synth. More, It has a powerful fx chain, a very good va synth,and It has also other models of famous keyboards and keyboard sounds. Sadly It Is only bi-timbral, but It is also much less expensive than its main competitors
yes, that's an interesting and overlooked module, you do need some kind of controller to use it though, and organ style controllers are few and far between. i have exchanged a few emails with the developer, hoping we can try one out some day!
@@WoodyPianoShack that's great news nontheless! Thanks for your videos!
Bro J is for the great Brother Jack McDuff
i guess it could be jimmy smith, jimmy mcgriff too...?
Organ sound modelling: Korg vs Nord 0 - 10 (about 2000’s) 🤭
Yamaha Montage has only 8 drawbars to manipulate
The best Hammond organ is a Hammond organ.
Sure... You need two roadies to move 200 kg up and down. And maybe 4000 euro to buy one revamped. This is why clones have success. They are light and cheap...
@@furiobisotti8150 There are genuine portable Hammonds. It's like genuine Rhodes. Only the real thing will do. Everything else is an imitation. I've never heard a digital clone equal the real thing for either Hammond, Rhodes, Farfisa, or Vox.
@@RBLevin Currently there is not anymore a real Hammond in production. Real thing does not exist anymore. Tonewheels were iron wheels moved by an engine. This electro mechanism is not produced today. There are digital clones with an Hammond label, owned by Suzuki.
More or less the same with Rhodes
@@furiobisotti8150 Same with Rhodes or Vox or Farfisa. You have to buy used. But they're not hard to find. Not cheap, but worth every penny.
@@RBLevin I am 56 years old. I have with me the Instruments that I was able to buy through my life. For example a wonderful Korg MS20 dated 1979.
I had no chance to buy a real Hammond B3 or a Prophet5 or a Mellotron.
I still play for fun and I am very happy to have VST versions of those masterpieces. A wonderful imitation is better than nothing
The CX-3 is the most disapointing of the 9 Kronos engines. its not even close to be a competitor to the "Clonewheel" segment, but just like other instruments that falls a little off it's mostly due to a poor Leslie sim. Its a bit like Yamaha .. even you can tweak many details in the sim, its very hard to get it to sound right. But when you compore it to other "Multi functional" Keyboards Its a decent organ engine. The leslie sim is flat and uninteresting. It totally lacks any 3d (or I'd call it 4d) feeling. Throw this on a seperate out and give it a Mini Vent II and things will start to happen cause the base organ sound is ok.
i suppose the technology and algorithms are getting on towards 20 years old now, so not surprising the dedicated organ clones have surpassed it. nevertheless, probably would get the job done for a gigging musician playing in a band!
@@WoodyPianoShack Yea, Korg did a single version update of the cx-3 engine of the original Kronos and a free download pack of organ patches. So most of the stuff in the Kronos and Nautilus dates back to the Oasys, meaning the code base is somewhere betwen 20-25 year old. since Korg propably worked on developping these since 1995. Oasys = Pentium 4 (2002), Kronos = Atom D510 (2009), Kronos 2 = Atom 2550 (2012). I bleive the CX-3 in the Kronos is based on the same model as the 2001 CX-3 Organ wich fit well into the area
The Organ on the Genos sounds much better.
Totally disagree, I had a Genos and it is good but the Korg is better.
yeah, the one on my sx900 is decent too, but i'd rank it lower, my 900 doesn't have the vib/chor, does yours?
@@WoodyPianoShack It does. It's also an advantage that the Genos emulates 3 Organ models.
@@Echochamber79 If you say so. I still prefer the Genos.
It isnt bad on the Genos , but the rotary effect isnt good like it is on the Nord 5d i have , i have the Lester K rotary effect on the Genos tested and it improves the sound a lot . If you listen to al the clone organs and synths wirhout effects all the drawbar/sinus sounds are almost equal . ist al about the rotary effect ! , I have als a Motion sound real rotary speaker and that is more like the "real" thing 😃 , and after all you must learn to play the "Hammond" way .And that is the biggest challenge 🎹🎹
less talking more playing please
Played by a non organist this sounds absolute garbage, sorry but not good..
that's ok.
@@WoodyPianoShack I think your a really great piano player and you get some nice sounds out of the Viscount but the architecture of the Nautilus for Organ is weak and it doesn’t take any prisoners for players that are less than well versed with the Hammond. I say this with respect and appreciation for all your other work, I follow your channel with interest. Ultimately it’s the buyer that has the final say in this, but I really feel that the Nautilus is just a weak, weak product and better off serving as a DAW such as the Kronos or M3 in its application for live work.
I have different versions of the Hammond emulatuon my versions are sick and not none VSTs either no computer.. actual physical instruments and effects.i have one last to all to my 83 versions of clonewheels is a A Roland VK-7 and Hammond XK1 which both are better than the Korg CX3