What hurts the most is when you miss it and your teacher just gives you the death glare, despite knowing how dreadful it is counting for 50 measures lmao I just started taking the death glare, but noting what I heard the others playing, so that I would know without counting because it's just so bad... Smh.
My conductor forgets about the flutes cues and does the rest of the band. She’s done it before and I was off, but not by much. Good thing it was at rehearsal and not concert.
Level 17: It doesn’t matter. Nobody’s counting at the same pace. The cellos are hitting each other. The flute is on a solo. The clarinet is crying. The conductor is napping. Chaos reigns
AmazinChannel not really, a guess is you don't know so you just pick one. Intuition is understanding on a subconscious level. You know the right answer you just don't know how you know it's the right answer.
My conductor told me and my desk partner when I was front desk to just copy each others bowing and assume the other person was right if we were ever different but that never worked...
@@wobblyorbee279 0:04 : Shubert unfinished symphony 2:22 : Tchaikovsky piano concerto no 1 , 3rd movement 4:27 : Rachmaninoff Symphony no 2 , 2nd movement
I did this for almost 3 years every morning on the way to uni haha. Had quite a long train ride, so I had to get up very early and slept on the train, but I never once missed my stop
@@noneisallminussome371 When you do the same thing everyday for months, it's just instinctive. I used to do this when I was in college with a one hour trip every morning and night, you just end up knowing.
One time I missed coming in after about a fifty bar rest (bassoonist here) and the conductor looked up to see I was busy reading Pride and Prejudice for English next period. I made that guy mad a lot, but that one took the cake. Sorry, Mr. Allred!
I'm also a beginner cellist but after following the 40 hour ling ling schedule I'm progressing rapidly. Also to the person saying we get simple pieces, baka🤦.
4 is haunting me. Sounds so familiar.I'm thinking tchaikovsky or Saint Saens since I often listen to them when I'm working. That Mahler piece is basically Frere Jacques in a minor key, but this doesn't sound like that.
Noooo! Percussion is so important! And I'm not a percussionist. Think about the impact that symbols have right at the end of a phrase or timpanis building the suspense of a piece. Come on, you've got to agree. 😆
then there’s like knowing the piece so well because you’ve played this show a million times and you can walk out and have a sandwich and come back in the right spot.
@@welchsgum7195 Oh that's a whole different level of counting.... Percussionist counting 🙅🏻♂️ In some orchestral music you might literally only have a few notes in a 2 hour long symphony. Not to mention setting down instruments, leaving your sheet music, walking halfway across the room, picking up another instrument and coming in on time. 🤦🏻♂️
Then there’s even just knowing the piece so you can adjust the changes your conductor makes to tempo so you can just count measures and then the few beats till you come in
One of my favourite junior orchestra moments: We were all struggling with the timing of a particular section of the music. Finally, the conductor stops us and says, "Alright, as you play it this time, EVERYONE is going to count out loud." It started soft, with people just quietly counting, "One, two, three, four." And then us cellists decided to count a little louder, to drown out the violists. Who counted a little louder in retaliation. Which inspired the first and second violinists to count even louder. By the end of the piece, you couldn't hear the music over the sounds of 45 kids screaming, "ONE TWO THREE FOUR!" We got the timing exactly right, the conductor declared the cellists the winner in our unofficial competition, and I excused myself because I had been yelling so loud that I had killed my throat.
Doesn’t work if you happen to play an instrument that you use your mouth for. Us brass players have to just use plain old tapping or counting in head 😕
What’s the level for “You’ve heard this shit so often that you just know based on the music” Cause after constant 3 hr practices, you just know what it sounds like
Level 9: Knowing how the whole piece goes, and being familiar with how the music sounds leading up to each entry, so you can start back up without a cue, independent of any mistakes from other sections, independent of the conductor forgetting a cue, just based on knowledge of the overall piece relative to your own part.
Honestly that’s what I do, I count mentally for the first few times playing the piece and am listening for sounds that the whole band plays so that I can take a nap. LAZINESS FOR THE WIN
Yea instead of counting out every damm measure I just listen for the main instrument that plays the melody or whatever a few measures before me so I know when to start thinking again
Me, as a singer in a non-classical band. "Okay, I start singing again after the lead guitar does that tiloulouliloulou thingie". Next rehearsal, lead guitar doesn't play the same way. Me : Pikachu face. Guess I'll have to count ^^'
I remember middle school and high school band as a percussionist, when we all developed unspoken courtesies and habits like counting with our fingers so our section mates could see and listening for bars six and seven, because those were the easiest to hear when the wind players in front of us counted out loud. I miss grade school percussion.
as a percussionist whenever it was like [ 8 ] [ 8 ] we would make eye contact with each other on the new count to make sure we were all on the same page hehe
Thank you so much for taking the time to share this :) I recognise loads of music but I am very bad at linking words to things. So I can only remember one or two names at a time (this also works for celebrities, I hope you two feel honoured that I remember Brett and Eddy and which of you is which, I had to forget my siblings-in-law to learn this XD)
I did a mix of just actually counting, using my expirence, and listening for instrument cues. 99% of the time I never came in the wrong time, and 100% of the time I did, I'd fix myself with one measure, because I actually listened to the music and can tell when I'm off. Just counting and listening is probably the best things you can do to stay in your spot. Also, NEVER trust your conducter for cues, they'll either do it or won't, and it can fluctuate in the same day. Some of my band mates learned that the hard way
@Zoey Zeng Level 13 You master the flows of the forces within the universe over time and eternity, allowing you to do all previous levels simultaneously. You feel calmness with every piece of music you play, allowing you meditate as a true zen master. You can do levels 2 and 3 completely silently. Also, you figured out how to use your instrument as a cup holder. At level 14 you can manipulate time to redo you entries into the music (not that you would need to do that at this level with mastery of entering perfectly in time, though having a chance to take a quick break with that new cup holder of yours might be useful).
see now, i'll like a comment that was made by a bass that says they have lots of rest. but i will *not* like the one that i saw earlier which was made by a tRuMpEt
Don’t even talk to me about excessive resting. As a percussionist, I have had to just play one note in the middle of the song, and just count the whole time
Professional orchestra musicians apparently actually sometimes make notes such as "bathroom break" or "fast cup of coffee". This obviously mainly goes for the brass section, not those string instruments that constantly have to play
As a percussionist you just have to know to avoid going insane counting every damm measure of rest when there’s a slow section for the non-percussionists(woodwinds/brass)
4:07 It's even easier when you've heard the piece at least once before and just remember when your instrument's parts come in relative to the other instruments. Then, you don't even need to count when to "come in." :P
ditto. Then the counting somehow transforms into feeling the groove of the music, allowing us to zone out during rests and come back in time to "add some percussion here because it feels right" a.k.a. it is on the bloody score.
The first chair of the viola section in my school orchestra used to deliberately put his viola up at the wrong time to confuse us cause he realised the rest of us just followed him and didn't count for ourselves. That taught me a lesson.
Oh, this takes me back. I really like that you used a different piece for every level! An old bebop guy once told me that the most important part of music is listening: to the other players (all of them), but especially to the silences between the notes. If you're together, you KNOW you're together... if you don't, don't panic, you might be close enough. But if you hadn't been chatting with your friend, maybe you WOULD know...
1:10 We all know Brett wasn't tapping his foot to keep rhythm. He was really getting hyper from drinking too much bubble tea after daydreaming about it in rehearsal.
Level 4 is so accurate.🤣🤣🤣 When I count, I always have a feeling that something ain’t right, so I start to think with Kira level of intelligence to see if I counted right😂 But most of the time I wait for the music cue to come in, it’s far more reliable😂 Sincerely, a violinist
Level 8: when you've played/listened to the song so many times you already intuitively know when to come in without even counting *cough* *cough* Canon in D
@@michyzazu1 😂😂 Thats me to my friends who call them SONGS and Im like: *YKDJRBSOHXJDUDHRIDBXIIFKDJXIRND8DBCIDJDI DJRJFJCJXJFIFNXIDBXIEKWOWHSBDJDBDJDICNXIXNDJDHXIDNDIDNDIDNDJXIDJD JFJFNTITBFIFJDIDJCICKFIF* ... sorry
Oh gosh, especially if you’re on the cello part - I just basically zone out for the entire piece and listen for the ending when we slow down slightly to ritardando. From playing it for so many years I could probably do it in my sleep!
Me, a violist, can confirm that we are not as evil as you think we are. We are just a bunch of introverts who secretly play in the background to enhance the music.
You forgot the final level. Not counting but allways follow the string section leader. If he messes up, it will allways be his fault since everyone is supposed to follow him xD
Concert master/orchestra leaders are a Godsend but now I am one and ever since then people have been messing up. It's a new set of players though so that's my excuse! 😂
The orchestra I was in only had me as the percussionist. I couldn't wait for other players to start playing. Some pieces would have something like 128 measures of rest for me. Depending on the piece, I've used several of these techniques. Whether it was the conductor giving me a cue, or waiting for a violin solo to end, I employed many different ways to remember when to come in.
I always loved that moment in band when you just felt the right time to come in... That almost never happened because our clarinet section were really just violas at heart.
I’m a combination of 4 and 8. Usually I start counting in my head, then lose count, get distracted or indeed realize I started counting wrong/at the end of a note in the middle of a bar, instead of at the beginning of the first full bar of a rest. Then I just count on my intuition and hearing the rest of the orchestra to know when I need to start again. Bass Clarinet gang. ✌🏼
2nd violin part of Bolero-- worse then resting, it's open G pizzicato for the first 92% of the piece and then jump in with arco on some rhythm and "musical" line that makes no sense (not the repeated Bolero melody that all the other section get their turn at). The whole section plucks in their sleep with violins falling into their laps and maybe violins (bows for sure) falling to the floor until someone maybe not even the section leader cues us in.
Music featured: 1. Schubert unfinished symphony 2nd mvt 2. Tchaikovsky piano concerto 3rd mvt 3. Mahler symphony 1, 3rd mvt 4. Rachmaninov symphony 2, 2nd and 3rd mvts TwoSetViolin posted this originally but forgot to pin the comment, so it got buried. You're welcome!
Having played trumpet in a symphonic orchestra years ago... I remeber that one piano concerto (I think it was Beethoven) and we had like 400 (four hundred) bars rest. The conductor (who also was our trumpet teacher) was like "no you don't need to count those, I will give you the cue" Save to say it never came (at least in rehearsals) even though he said he wrote it down, highlighted it and drew exclamation marks into the score. He finally managed on the day of the concert.
Crying in *harp* 2:27 I don't have a section to follow. If I'm lucky sometimes there is another harpist. But it isn't the usual. The battle is ME vs the ENTIRE orchestra 😥
At rehearsal Conductor: Don't worry, I will give you the down beat for when you come in At the concert Conductor: *is lost in the music* *completely ignores my section* *Gets mad if we come in late*
Or gives a false cue throwing an entire orchestra AND choir off...necessitating restarting an entire section. I swear to god, somebody could have boiled an egg on the dude's forehead! Good times! He was a bit of jerk, so I was just silently laughing the whole time!
Or gives a false cue during the concert, throwing an entire orchestra and choir off, necessitating restarting an entire section... You could have boiled an egg on that conductor's forehead! ...and I was over here just trying not to laugh out loud! Fun times, fun times!
It’s so adorable to see String players who think 9 measures is a long rest (said the Brass player who has had to count 100+ measures on several gigs). Just adorable.
I am only in brass bands for that reason. But still, not me but a friend sitting next to me, had 60 bars to count. You may guess twice, what instrument they played (Solution: their part was trombone 2 or 3)
@@ronlugbill1400 Good luck with that. I was playing with a professional orchestra once (and supposedly a professional conductor) where it was a piece for chorus & orchestra. At one point the chorus sings about 20 measures a capella and the meter is changing all the time. The first parts from the orchestra to enter were 2nd & 4th Horn (I was on 4th). I tried my best but I got lost and the conductor was "emoting" so not much in the way of clear patterns. Also, no cue to be found. I had to sneak in under the 2nd Horn. I don't trust conductors to give me a cue (and I'm a conductor as well!).
The way I, and my entire class(it was a school orchestra) was taught was to listen. The teacher, instead of conducting normally, taught us by having us listen to him playing piano and learning when to pick up with him. We all learned to not count, but listen for the correct time. I guess its a combination of the listening for musical queues and experience since it required both, we weren't going based on one of those alone.
The counting mentally one is a big mood and is why I get lost so frequently. "Wait, did I start counting when I stopped playing or when the actual first measure of rest started? Do I need to adjust my counting? Where tf am I?"
I once performed in a chorus where I had to wait 45 minutes to start singing. We were all there way in the back as usual so I passed the time watching the percussionists all do their thing.
Lol, one piece I'm playing I tacet on, but they wrote out every measure and broke up the bar rests into 8-16 sections. Have no idea why. Three sections of eight bar rests then two sections of 16 bar rests then two bars of whole note rests then the first ending and repeat. What? Why even write any of it out then? There isn't a single note throughout that movement.
as a violist i can relate to the not counting problem. i just get so entranced by how talented our concert master is, skip a measure of counting because i forgot the conductor cues us, play for a second, freak out because i’m early, put my instrument down, see the conductor cue, freak out again because i’m not ready, and then cry.
Level children's choir: knowing the entire piece by heart anyway because you had to practice it for 200 hours until the kids could remember how it works.
@@abjaaksm yea, you really do have to be careful. I'm a soloist pianist and you really have to be careful not to take too many liberties with the tempo, or else you screw everyone.
The great part about being a French horn: 7/10 times, we're playing a supporting part which is either a long, sustained note or the same note with the best of the melody. Just pick a note of you're lost and play is for 8 measures, you'll be fine
As a French horn, I can verify lol. It’s even easier were playing a march. Pick a note in the chord, play upbeats, and change notes when you hear (very predictable) chord shift
Then there’s the level where you can walk out during tacet, get a sandwich, play a couple games of smash bros, take a nap, call your distant relative, laugh at viola jokes and binge watch TwoSetViolin and come back exactly when you’re supposed to come in As a percussionist in concert band I can tell you the back of the percussion section 60% of the time of the time are reading or on their phones, 30% of the time are napping and the other 10 percent of the time actually playing or counting But hey we practice after school so we always know when to come in
Level 1: Not counting
...
Level 8: Not counting
umarth this comment needs more upvotes
😂
Not Counting because you already now what to do.
volbeat: still counting
I can't even imagine living as a counter
Being a percussionist was basically "enjoy some music, and every 10 mins or so hit a drum really loud"
The bass in this one piece we are playin has 47 bars of rest out of the 64 bars. Its fun watching him suffer for 30 straight measures.
ThatPersonYouKnow That one time I played the bass drum and had an 164 measure rest
i just remember how the song goes come in when i remember (basically never).
What hurts the most is when you miss it and your teacher just gives you the death glare, despite knowing how dreadful it is counting for 50 measures lmao I just started taking the death glare, but noting what I heard the others playing, so that I would know without counting because it's just so bad... Smh.
@@joshcheee8659 I wish I read your response before commenting...
“The conductor said he’ll give a cue...”
Aka the biggest lie in history
Tbh who even looks at the conductor?
My conduct cues in every section but always forgets about us violas
My conductor forgets about the flutes cues and does the rest of the band. She’s done it before and I was off, but not by much. Good thing it was at rehearsal and not concert.
You ain't just whistlin' Dixie.
Did some one knows that piece was Unfinished symphony from schubert 2nd muvement
Level -2, Opera singer: don't count and just come in whenever you feel cause the orchestra has to follow you anyways
I feel attacked, but not fully unwarranted
i think Orchestra don't care. Opera singers follow them.
How do you know when you have a singer at your door? She can't find the key and doesn't know when to come in.
As a vocalist I feel this but as a bassist, call me Dracula because I AM THE COUNT 😅😂
I just memorise what the accompaniment plays before my entry, so I don’t have to count
Level 17: It doesn’t matter. Nobody’s counting at the same pace. The cellos are hitting each other. The flute is on a solo. The clarinet is crying. The conductor is napping. Chaos reigns
As a clarinet... God you are so right.
OH MY STARS THE FRENCH HORN IS OUT OF TUNE
Gold Star Of Venus ikr?! The clarinet is always crying. What is wrong with us
The tubas are eating a buffet in the back
Level 18: you don’t have any rests
Level 1: Guessing
Level 8: Guessing with some skill
Noob and Pro both go by intuition. The difference is that it works for the pro.
Intuition isn't guessing though.
Brave words for the Donald original
@@TheDcraft it kinda is
AmazinChannel not really, a guess is you don't know so you just pick one. Intuition is understanding on a subconscious level. You know the right answer you just don't know how you know it's the right answer.
When two musicians sitting next to each other are both thinking that they can follow their desky 😂
that is so true
Typical.
*after ~9 of 17 bars rest*
"Hey, uh.. have you been counting?"
"Nah, you?"
Oh WELL
My conductor told me and my desk partner when I was front desk to just copy each others bowing and assume the other person was right if we were ever different but that never worked...
I just follow my concert master 😂😂😂
LUL
Level 9: memorising the entire piece so you know when you should come in after other instruments. Just a tip from an oboe player
2:22 what piece is this? :(
and this piece 4:27?
and 0:04?
@@wobblyorbee279 why you ask me. I only know those I've played. And I've played none of those
@@wobblyorbee279 0:04 : Shubert unfinished symphony
2:22 : Tchaikovsky piano concerto no 1 , 3rd movement
4:27 : Rachmaninoff Symphony no 2 , 2nd movement
As a fellow oboe player, I concur
this works for piccolo too!
level 8: it's like when you fall asleep on the bus, but somehow wake up right before your stop.
XD weird but can relate
I dont know how ppl do this. Ive seen ppl literally get up as the doors were closing. Somehow their brains woke them up just in time!? How the fuck
Yup I do this on trains lol
I did this for almost 3 years every morning on the way to uni haha. Had quite a long train ride, so I had to get up very early and slept on the train, but I never once missed my stop
@@noneisallminussome371 When you do the same thing everyday for months, it's just instinctive. I used to do this when I was in college with a one hour trip every morning and night, you just end up knowing.
me internally: *knows that i have to start playing after the trumpets do that doodidooty thing*
Delfina Leonardini I immediately thought of a part of my show as soon as you said the “doodidooty thing”
Our ONLY doodidooty thing, cause composers really under use the brass section. IMHO as a trumpet player.....;-)
MEEEEE
Ur a pro then
dooidooty thing XD
Level 9: Composing your own music and messing up the entrance anyways
This would be me...😂
@Dreaming of music lol me too. Btw do u actually dream about music
As a composer who tries to play everything I write, I shall give my feedback and say that this is extremely true.
As a compser, I relate
🤣🤣
In high school, we did homework during 40 bar rests. Those were the days.
Thanks for the laughter!
One time I missed coming in after about a fifty bar rest (bassoonist here) and the conductor looked up to see I was busy reading Pride and Prejudice for English next period. I made that guy mad a lot, but that one took the cake. Sorry, Mr. Allred!
da hell did you play? trumbone?
@@emily_nelson😭😭
Only fifty bars? Also bassoon here i had 120. And the violin didn't get their notes so we wen for a coffee and cake to the Café next door.
Eddy: “The orchestra is not a child’s playground.
IT’S A BATTLE FIELD.”
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
AMA Art this needs to be another t shirt
I felt that 🤣
@@janedonovanjdocleaning35 It sure does.
Jane Donovan Yessss🔥
AMA Art oooh then what does that make the conductor?
“The orchestra is not a child’s playground. It’s a battle field”
Me, a beginning orchestra cello player: aight imma head out.
it’s ok being a beginning orchestra cello player tho because all of the music is so simple
Me!
mE but violin
Yulz W nah, we play tough pieces. We moved through the easy stuff pretty fast. We just don’t have the experience the chamber group had.
I'm also a beginner cellist but after following the 40 hour ling ling schedule I'm progressing rapidly. Also to the person saying we get simple pieces, baka🤦.
1. Rachmaninov Symphony No. 2 Mvt 2 I think?
2+3: Tchaikovsky Piano Concerto No. 1 Mvt 3
4: Mahler Symphony No. 1 Mvt 3
5+6: Tchaikovsky Piano Concerto No. 1 Mvt 3
7. Rachmaninov Symphony No. 2 Mvt 3
8. Rachmaninov Symphony No. 2 Mvt 2
Thank you so much
omg THANK YOU
4 is haunting me. Sounds so familiar.I'm thinking tchaikovsky or Saint Saens since I often listen to them when I'm working. That Mahler piece is basically Frere Jacques in a minor key, but this doesn't sound like that.
@@paulgush it is Mahler 1 movement 3, the end of the development part
@@mexicanmayo3450 thank you! I will listen to it again
Sacrilegious level: if you can count slowly, you can count quickly.
This comment made my day! :)
If you can count in a short time, you can count forever.
Unbeatable sacriligeousness level: leave the guy playing with you count and play with him but double speed
This is the gift of positive thinking that Ben Lee has given to the world's aspiring musicians haha
15 notes a second !!
"The orchestra is not a child's playground, it's a battlefield."
This should be a merch design
Omg yes!
180th like
he said that in 10 sight reading nightmares
LMAO:...Best quote of all!!!
Agreeee :)
Level Percussion: Rest all you want, if you miss that one single note you have, no one will notice or care.
YES!!!
YESSSSSS HAHAHA BUT THE CRASH CYMBAL...
Noooo! Percussion is so important! And I'm not a percussionist. Think about the impact that symbols have right at the end of a phrase or timpanis building the suspense of a piece. Come on, you've got to agree. 😆
@@monoymono9 as a percussionist, I am touched **tears**
Katie Papp in my experience the only time anyone notices the one percussion note is when they come in at the wrong time (or knock it over)
Level 12 - Become a horn player. I once had 101 bars of rest. I've totally forgotten the piece of music, but I remember that 101 bars of rest
So you went for lunch in the meantime?
@Dion van Oene should've!
I counted one piece. Five hundred and forty seven. 547. The life of a bassoon.
Or a percussionist.
Bass clarinet. Sympathy 😭😂
When everybody is hoping that the director is counting but he's actually waiting for the violas to cue him.
Cool bro
Level 1 right here
It's even worse when you play the instruments that actually includes breathing
@@legendarytat8278 *include
And that's our band's percussionist
Yeah and imagine in choir....count wrong miss your entry and your mouth is in a different shape from the rest... yikes
then there’s like knowing the piece so well because you’ve played this show a million times and you can walk out and have a sandwich and come back in the right spot.
our concert band is like this, one of our bass drums literally ate chips during rests and no one noticed
@@welchsgum7195 Oh that's a whole different level of counting.... Percussionist counting 🙅🏻♂️
In some orchestral music you might literally only have a few notes in a 2 hour long symphony.
Not to mention setting down instruments, leaving your sheet music, walking halfway across the room, picking up another instrument and coming in on time. 🤦🏻♂️
Then there’s even just knowing the piece so you can adjust the changes your conductor makes to tempo so you can just count measures and then the few beats till you come in
@@kvngcasim7712 Then there's knowing the piece so well you can play it with .5 second latency with other musicians
@jedbeetle or taking a mental break and coming back in cause you forgot for a second what you were supposed to be doing 🤣🤣
0:52 why is no one talking about how cleanly they played that, it’s in Db which is literally one of the worst keys on violin
I know, so many wierd fingerings its such a nightmare 😩
What piece is that? I need to arrange it for Piano.
Franz Liszt Tchaikovsky Piano Concerto 1 mvt. 3. The part they’re playing is at 0:44 here- th-cam.com/video/GcdqCjNSiZk/w-d-xo.html
Well, I mean... they are actual orchestra musicians, so....
they're master violinists, memes from experience
One of my favourite junior orchestra moments: We were all struggling with the timing of a particular section of the music. Finally, the conductor stops us and says, "Alright, as you play it this time, EVERYONE is going to count out loud." It started soft, with people just quietly counting, "One, two, three, four." And then us cellists decided to count a little louder, to drown out the violists. Who counted a little louder in retaliation. Which inspired the first and second violinists to count even louder. By the end of the piece, you couldn't hear the music over the sounds of 45 kids screaming, "ONE TWO THREE FOUR!" We got the timing exactly right, the conductor declared the cellists the winner in our unofficial competition, and I excused myself because I had been yelling so loud that I had killed my throat.
Youth orchestra is the best
Doesn’t work if you happen to play an instrument that you use your mouth for. Us brass players have to just use plain old tapping or counting in head 😕
YESS CELLIST FOR THE WINNN
*YAS*
@@tillyfoxes8778 just violently stomp the ground
Eddy's smirking, hoodie-wearing violist doppelganger simply MUST be a recurring character from now on!!!
Luis López I saw Viola King in him...
He's the bad guy, opposite of Ling Ling.
Let's call him Ging Ving
Or Viking
Cause you know, Viola plus king, hehe...
I'll stop now.
He's the bad guy, opposite of Ling Ling.
Let's call him Ging Ving
Or Viking
Cause you know, Viola plus king, hehe...
I'll stop now.
What’s the level for
“You’ve heard this shit so often that you just know based on the music”
Cause after constant 3 hr practices, you just know what it sounds like
that would be 8
TRUEEE
Bruh...
So true
are you saying you dont practice 40 hours???
Ariana, that works great until someone in the orchestra messes up, and you had to adjust all of a sudden!
Level 9: Knowing how the whole piece goes, and being familiar with how the music sounds leading up to each entry, so you can start back up without a cue, independent of any mistakes from other sections, independent of the conductor forgetting a cue, just based on knowledge of the overall piece relative to your own part.
"The conductor said he'll give a cue" a.k.a. the biggest lie in history
Sofie Moerman even my dad saying he’d come back from the grocery store wasn’t that big a lie smh
level 9: memorizing everyone else's part so you creepily know precisely *when* it's your time to shine.
Level 9b: memorizing the entire piece and patiently waiting for your 1 measure percussion accompaniment + 40 bars of rest
I do this to help me play my part if the rhythm is exactly the same as mine and I use it for resting as well
Yep! That's pretty much how I roll!
Honestly that’s what I do, I count mentally for the first few times playing the piece and am listening for sounds that the whole band plays so that I can take a nap. LAZINESS FOR THE WIN
God this used to be me cause i didnt know how to count at all 💀
As a percussionist, I can confirm that waiting for X instrument to come in is the only way of doing it without going completely insane
What I do is I airplay the guy next to me's part bc we share a sheet but have different parts, then I just come in when my rests are iver
You are totally right
Yea instead of counting out every damm measure I just listen for the main instrument that plays the melody or whatever a few measures before me so I know when to start thinking again
You are right, that's what I do
Yes! I was just saying percussionists have it the worst.
Me, as a singer in a non-classical band.
"Okay, I start singing again after the lead guitar does that tiloulouliloulou thingie".
Next rehearsal, lead guitar doesn't play the same way.
Me : Pikachu face.
Guess I'll have to count ^^'
Pitfall of level 4: when you count 40 bars of rest, only for the conductor to cut off right before you play
So relatable.
IKR ISTG
I HATE THAT SO MUCH
*Cries in french horn*
+10 points if it's right before the only horn solo
Hahahaha!!! This has totally happened to me.
When you thought there wouldn’t be a viola joke.
TwoSet: *BOOM!*
Eddy in a hoody playing viola is priceless. Well worth the monthly subscription.
BOOM... Tetris for twoset? :D
I think i was the only violist in the viola section who counted 😂
xstarx05x we're not all bad 😭 a lot of violists become bad because they are never given anything challenging to play 😂
Beware or the hooded violist may find you next.
Twoset: music is not a competition
Also twoset: the orchestra is a BATTLE FIELD
Lol
Exactly. Hahahaha
It's not a competition, since everybody is a loser (except maybe the conductor)
orchestra =/= all of music
Rew Rose The conductor is the supreme leader who actually sits and listens to the music daily to later conduct it for the orchestra.
I remember middle school and high school band as a percussionist, when we all developed unspoken courtesies and habits like counting with our fingers so our section mates could see and listening for bars six and seven, because those were the easiest to hear when the wind players in front of us counted out loud. I miss grade school percussion.
as a percussionist whenever it was like [ 8 ] [ 8 ] we would make eye contact with each other on the new count to make sure we were all on the same page hehe
Percussionist: *laughs in 40 measure wait*
*laughs in 120 measure wait*
*laughs in has no part in the current piece*
@@DacuberTM *eYE*
@@DacuberTM now that's sounds like the job of the bass trombone in flight of the bumblebee
Me: HOLY MOTHER FLIPPING DUCKIN
You forgot LingLing level: when the music waits for you to come in
Audrey Rouge omfg YES
Audrey Rouge 😂😂😂
😂 omg i’m dying
Interesting
YESSS i think thats on soloist level though not the orchestra HAHAHA
Music featured:
1. Schubert unfinished symphony 2nd mvt
2. Tchaikovsky piano concerto 3rd mvt
3. Mahler symphony 1, 3rd mvt
4. Rachmaninov symphony 2, 2nd and 3rd mvts
Thanks! I was trying to remember what the piece for lvl 2 was called.
U NEED to di this for every video, u guys r my best and greatest curators for music
Looks like you love Tchaikovsky
Thank you so much for taking the time to share this :) I recognise loads of music but I am very bad at linking words to things. So I can only remember one or two names at a time (this also works for celebrities, I hope you two feel honoured that I remember Brett and Eddy and which of you is which, I had to forget my siblings-in-law to learn this XD)
OMG THANK YOU 😍
I did a mix of just actually counting, using my expirence, and listening for instrument cues. 99% of the time I never came in the wrong time, and 100% of the time I did, I'd fix myself with one measure, because I actually listened to the music and can tell when I'm off. Just counting and listening is probably the best things you can do to stay in your spot. Also, NEVER trust your conducter for cues, they'll either do it or won't, and it can fluctuate in the same day. Some of my band mates learned that the hard way
I don’t like the fact that this is all me.
8 looks satisfying though
Noob counting/acceptance of death stages
I'm none and all of these at the same time.
Schrödinger's Cellist
Level 9: listen a few times before the concert and you know when to get in
Ahah
True my god
So true
@Zoey Zeng
Level 11: memorize entries of all music in the world so that you never count
@Zoey Zeng Level 13 You master the flows of the forces within the universe over time and eternity, allowing you to do all previous levels simultaneously. You feel calmness with every piece of music you play, allowing you meditate as a true zen master. You can do levels 2 and 3 completely silently. Also, you figured out how to use your instrument as a cup holder.
At level 14 you can manipulate time to redo you entries into the music (not that you would need to do that at this level with mastery of entering perfectly in time, though having a chance to take a quick break with that new cup holder of yours might be useful).
As a viola I find this very insulting.
You way underestimated how much we mess up.
Level 7 killed me.
Ah, so you're a musical instrument? :^)
I never know a viola can type:^
if we're being honest here we just don't count period.
But like I count
As a horn player, I laughed at the "waiting for other players of the same instrument" thing 😂 if only we could do that. That would be so nice 😭
Bass Clarinet:
**Laughs in 120 consecutive measures of rest**
Percussionist:
*Laughs in 302 consecutive measures of rest at 60 BPM*
bassoonist:
Can relate-
Harp:
*Laughs in plays gliss once then rest the whole piece*
@@thewronggelato3889 Harp: also gets paid bank for that one glissando they were called in to play.
see now, i'll like a comment that was made by a bass that says they have lots of rest.
but i will *not* like the one that i saw earlier which was made by a tRuMpEt
Level 9: Become an eternal zen master of time by becoming a percussionist.
As a percussionist, I take this as a very personal
Compliment and truth.
W3ird0_101 same
He speaks the truth
One does not simply BECOME a percussionist; I have the SOUL of a percussionist (in a trombonist).
Band class started and I chose percussion. I am now very worried
As a trumpet player, _laughs in literally 100 measures of rest_
Lol, trombone rests. 16, 16, 32, 16. Now play. Rest for 25 more measures. Play. Rest for the last four minutes. Last note.
Don’t even talk to me about excessive resting. As a percussionist, I have had to just play one note in the middle of the song, and just count the whole time
As a brass band trumpet player, laughs in literally 1 measures of rest per piece... Oh nooo
This is why I miss wind ensembles
DarkKitten _ just count the first half then
Professional orchestra musicians apparently actually sometimes make notes such as "bathroom break" or "fast cup of coffee". This obviously mainly goes for the brass section, not those string instruments that constantly have to play
When you've had the music long enough you just know when to come in
That’s what I do
Very accurate
As a percussionist, I have the same music but a different instrument than the guy next to me. I just air play his part until my rests are over
As a percussionist you just have to know to avoid going insane counting every damm measure of rest when there’s a slow section for the non-percussionists(woodwinds/brass)
eddy found the chance to make use of the viola he bought for brett 🤣🤣
😂😂😂 Brett better not waste that viola.
Who is your prof pic??
@@contrnsmagnificndjoobngtaint ah thats the japanese model yuka mannami !
I usually memorize everyone else’s parts, so I know when to come in after them. It’s my own weird way of doing it
same
Same
Same
for me i’m usually listening to cellos for their notes and come in at my own time, i’m usually first chair so i can see them 24/7
Same
4:07 It's even easier when you've heard the piece at least once before and just remember when your instrument's parts come in relative to the other instruments. Then, you don't even need to count when to "come in." :P
I've always done this. Your just have to hope the bass player knows what their doing.
Viola player here. Can confirm we will always endeavour to trip up the rest of the orchestra as payback for all of the jokes at our expense!
musative yup the only true skill us viola players have is getting revenge on the rest of the orchestra by messing them up
AS A VIOLIST I CAN CONFIRM THIS AS WELL
haha, okay sebastian player
Y. E. P
The viola section in my school is always the best and then when the cellos start rushing they blame us like what
I always count professionally because i’m a percussionist
ditto. Then the counting somehow transforms into feeling the groove of the music, allowing us to zone out during rests and come back in time to "add some percussion here because it feels right" a.k.a. it is on the bloody score.
I always count professionally too because I am a classical trumpet player #1000barsofrest
I always count professionally three, because I am a piccolo player~
As a trumpet player can relate
As a trumpet player can relate
from a violist - "i may have missed my entry, bUT I'LL TAKE YOU FIRST VIOLINISTS DOWN WITH ME"
I WHEEZED THAT'S SO ACCURATE FJIDOIOSDJFFOUHJDHUENJD
chelseeah nugget Riiiiight?! Viola gang 💯.
After the piccolos play so loud you can't hear your intonation from becoming deaf of course
Factts
@@angelnichols5408 VIOLA GANG YES literally my orchestra teacher knows my class's viola section as the PRIDEFUL VIOLA SECTION
Raskolnikov how rude and ignorant to judge someone based on one instrument they play
Eddy's evil grin like "Some musicians just wanna watch the world burn..."
4:36 when you thought they couldn’t possibly make a viola joke and end up making one
BookOwl what do u mean
@@ZitaSChan You timestamped the end of the video
So is 3:45 better?
@@bookowl1775 That was perfect! Are you a viola player Zita?
@@pyrotricks1168 if you look on the screen, it has a viola joke at that timestamp
"The orchestra is not a child's playground, its a BATTLEFIELD!"
-Eddy 2019
Pearl Joy Perales that should be on the next T-shirt
*And you learn this in the HARD way.*
level: high trust
waiting for the first chair to put up their instrument while they wait for the conductor to cue them in
The first chair of the viola section in my school orchestra used to deliberately put his viola up at the wrong time to confuse us cause he realised the rest of us just followed him and didn't count for ourselves.
That taught me a lesson.
onepackviola LMFAOOOO
@@nim9183 thats just pure evil
Oh, this takes me back. I really like that you used a different piece for every level! An old bebop guy once told me that the most important part of music is listening: to the other players (all of them), but especially to the silences between the notes.
If you're together, you KNOW you're together... if you don't, don't panic, you might be close enough. But if you hadn't been chatting with your friend, maybe you WOULD know...
Eddy’s expressions are gold in this vid Imao I laughed at those the most
How about the one who counts by bobbing his/her head?
Miwi R Ooh, guilty as charged. 🤷🏼♀️
Dominik Guzowski guilty 😊
1:10
We all know Brett wasn't tapping his foot to keep rhythm. He was really getting hyper from drinking too much bubble tea after daydreaming about it in rehearsal.
E C In fact, since Brett is speculated to be Ling Ling, he doesn’t need to even physically drink bubble tea to, well, drink bubble tea.
@@YolandaNiHP Brett must drink 40 bubble teas a day, no wonder why he randomly crashes and looks dead inside😂
Bubble tea with an added dose of caffeine, OMG was he hyper! 😲
Level 4 is so accurate.🤣🤣🤣
When I count, I always have a feeling that something ain’t right, so I start to think with Kira level of intelligence to see if I counted right😂
But most of the time I wait for the music cue to come in, it’s far more reliable😂
Sincerely, a violinist
"How violins count"
We percussionists are on a whole different scale
Yes, the one quarter bar triangle solo at the two hour thirty eight minute fifty two seconds mark of the symphony.
Haha... Scale
What, you set up an alarm on your phone for an hour and 43 minutes?
67 2 3 4
68 2 3 4
69 2 3 4
Bom bom on timpani
1 2 3 4
2 2 3 4...
dut dutduTDU TDUT
Level 8: when you've played/listened to the song so many times you already intuitively know when to come in without even counting
*cough* *cough* Canon in D
That is me
It's a PIECE xD
Da tune
@@michyzazu1 😂😂 Thats me to my friends who
call them SONGS and Im like:
*YKDJRBSOHXJDUDHRIDBXIIFKDJXIRND8DBCIDJDI DJRJFJCJXJFIFNXIDBXIEKWOWHSBDJDBDJDICNXIXNDJDHXIDNDIDNDIDNDJXIDJD JFJFNTITBFIFJDIDJCICKFIF*
... sorry
Oh gosh, especially if you’re on the cello part - I just basically zone out for the entire piece and listen for the ending when we slow down slightly to ritardando. From playing it for so many years I could probably do it in my sleep!
As a violist I feel attacked
We dont screw up we just decide the music should be played differently
Viola gang
INTERESTING
EXCUSES
VIOLA GANG
That is the same. You just call it difderently
Me, a violist, can confirm that we are not as evil as you think we are. We are just a bunch of introverts who secretly play in the background to enhance the music.
You forgot the final level. Not counting but allways follow the string section leader. If he messes up, it will allways be his fault since everyone is supposed to follow him xD
Well that works if you play a string instrument. Learnt that the hard way when I started playing Oboe in my Orchestra instead of violin
Concert master/orchestra leaders are a Godsend but now I am one and ever since then people have been messing up. It's a new set of players though so that's my excuse! 😂
but what if I’m a her
and I goof all the fricking time because 3/4 time signature is annoying
@@dreamingofmusic3347 Me too!😂
That only works if you're not the concert master :')
#hellodarknessmyoldfriendandtheconductorwhoisscreamingatmebecauseimessedupagain
haha imagine having more than one player on a part
this post was made by the jazz band gang
*laughs in shout section*
Laughs in bass
Laughs in bassoon
Laughs in trombone section
Why do my comments disappear wth
1:33 - 2:10 Sherlock Yang
Also, 3:04 not breaking character even when your shoulder rest decides gives up on you. #commitment
Hell yeah lol
The orchestra I was in only had me as the percussionist. I couldn't wait for other players to start playing. Some pieces would have something like 128 measures of rest for me. Depending on the piece, I've used several of these techniques. Whether it was the conductor giving me a cue, or waiting for a violin solo to end, I employed many different ways to remember when to come in.
I always loved that moment in band when you just felt the right time to come in... That almost never happened because our clarinet section were really just violas at heart.
As a clarinetist, I extend my deepest apologies.
clarinets in band… dear god they make me livid
Clarinets have always been jealous of the flute girls - same with saxes.
I play both viola and clarinet and I feel your agony :)
Why are you mad at us, its the percussionists making up melodies.
*Laughs in piccolo when you come in at a high G early and scare the entire band because Jesus Christ how is it so high pitched*
I feel you my man
Yes! I love doing this. It's even more amazing when it's something higher though
Sameee
My ears hurt
Piccolos should be seen not heard
Eddy's evil expressions in this are perfect! I lost it at "I'll take you first violinists with me! 😏🤣🤣🤣
All hail viola king! XD
I’m a combination of 4 and 8.
Usually I start counting in my head, then lose count, get distracted or indeed realize I started counting wrong/at the end of a note in the middle of a bar, instead of at the beginning of the first full bar of a rest. Then I just count on my intuition and hearing the rest of the orchestra to know when I need to start again.
Bass Clarinet gang. ✌🏼
Level 1: ill just play when he plays
Level 8: ill just take a quick nap then guess
2nd violin part of Bolero-- worse then resting, it's open G pizzicato for the first 92% of the piece and then jump in with arco on some rhythm and "musical" line that makes no sense (not the repeated Bolero melody that all the other section get their turn at). The whole section plucks in their sleep with violins falling into their laps and maybe violins (bows for sure) falling to the floor until someone maybe not even the section leader cues us in.
@@nonamenoname246 relatable....
Music featured:
1. Schubert unfinished symphony 2nd mvt
2. Tchaikovsky piano concerto 3rd mvt
3. Mahler symphony 1, 3rd mvt
4. Rachmaninov symphony 2, 2nd and 3rd mvts
TwoSetViolin posted this originally but forgot to pin the comment, so it got buried. You're welcome!
god bless
Nice
What is 5.following other players edit:i found it its the piano concerto
What is the second piece
Thank you!!!!
“Orchestra is not a children’s playground, it’s a battlefield.”
-Eddy
I felt that!
Me in band:
Wise words
yeaaaaa that’s crazyyyyy
yes lmao
Music: “pp” or “ppp”
Me: so what your saying is you just want to blow air through my flute?
Advaitha Bhardwaj They want you to B R E A T H while playing
Music: "ff" or "fff" on a high note
Me with my trombone: So you want me to stop breathing entirely
Opposite for saxophones
Music: ppp
Me: so we should blast loudly?
Music: “ppp”
Violin: let me switch to my bow strung with a singular strand of silk
*you're
Having played trumpet in a symphonic orchestra years ago... I remeber that one piano concerto (I think it was Beethoven) and we had like 400 (four hundred) bars rest. The conductor (who also was our trumpet teacher) was like "no you don't need to count those, I will give you the cue" Save to say it never came (at least in rehearsals) even though he said he wrote it down, highlighted it and drew exclamation marks into the score. He finally managed on the day of the concert.
Crying in *harp* 2:27
I don't have a section to follow. If I'm lucky sometimes there is another harpist. But it isn't the usual. The battle is ME vs the ENTIRE orchestra 😥
When harpist is lost she starts a pleading gaze to the conductor and he gives a cue :)
I suck at counting rests so I'm constantly in panic mode when playing with other people
pppzzz Truth
Pump up that intuition and experience and this won't be a problem!
At rehearsal
Conductor: Don't worry, I will give you the down beat for when you come in
At the concert
Conductor: *is lost in the music*
*completely ignores my section*
*Gets mad if we come in late*
Or gives a false cue throwing an entire orchestra AND choir off...necessitating restarting an entire section. I swear to god, somebody could have boiled an egg on the dude's forehead! Good times! He was a bit of jerk, so I was just silently laughing the whole time!
Or gives a false cue during the concert, throwing an entire orchestra and choir off, necessitating restarting an entire section... You could have boiled an egg on that conductor's forehead! ...and I was over here just trying not to laugh out loud! Fun times, fun times!
0:20 without that animation we can actually tell that Brett is thinking about boba.
Oh yes HAHA
3:05 **drops shoulder rest**
It’s so adorable to see String players who think 9 measures is a long rest (said the Brass player who has had to count 100+ measures on several gigs). Just adorable.
I am only in brass bands for that reason. But still, not me but a friend sitting next to me, had 60 bars to count. You may guess twice, what instrument they played
(Solution: their part was trombone 2 or 3)
My band conducter said not to count if you have that much rest. Just wait for the conductor to cue you in.
@@ronlugbill1400 Good luck with that. I was playing with a professional orchestra once (and supposedly a professional conductor) where it was a piece for chorus & orchestra. At one point the chorus sings about 20 measures a capella and the meter is changing all the time. The first parts from the orchestra to enter were 2nd & 4th Horn (I was on 4th). I tried my best but I got lost and the conductor was "emoting" so not much in the way of clear patterns. Also, no cue to be found. I had to sneak in under the 2nd Horn. I don't trust conductors to give me a cue (and I'm a conductor as well!).
Try Wagner. There was a flute part with 1157 measures of rest. I forget which one though
@@jediman05 Sounds like it could be "Die Meistersinger". That thing goes on forever.
Level Ling-Ling: Doesn’t even need to count rests because he is playing all of the instruments
oh Ling-Ling actually still counting rn
Ling ling practices counting 40 hours a day
Wait, you're telling me, I'm not supposed to finger count?
LOL
Finger count is only for piano players
To hell with finger counting. They are telling me I should not *loudly tap my feet* !!!
@@AlexSem6 well not like that, just bounce your leg or your foot kinda like your shaking your leg
The way I, and my entire class(it was a school orchestra) was taught was to listen. The teacher, instead of conducting normally, taught us by having us listen to him playing piano and learning when to pick up with him. We all learned to not count, but listen for the correct time. I guess its a combination of the listening for musical queues and experience since it required both, we weren't going based on one of those alone.
Wonderful.
I'm that kind of dance teacher who don't teach my students to count but listen to and know the music to know when to come in.😊
The best piece is the one where you don't have to play: eternal rest.
3'44 😂😂😂
That sounds like a fighting video game finisher
There is actually something like that somewhere. A pianist who composed a piece of music entirely out of rests.
This is what being a percussionist is like half the time 😂
@@Chockitkat I think you mean 4:33?
Level 10 is knowing the entire orchestra's part
Which is the Ling Ling level
Oop me. Lol. I'm a Violinist and I got in trouble for correcting the cellos on there rhythm.
I’m pretty sure that level 7 with extra steps
I swear, Brett was like a child having tantrums when he was stomping
The counting mentally one is a big mood and is why I get lost so frequently. "Wait, did I start counting when I stopped playing or when the actual first measure of rest started? Do I need to adjust my counting? Where tf am I?"
Y'all dont even know... wind instruments in orchestras stay having 80 measure rests
Yeah, timpani is fun too...
i once had a piece where i rested for seven whole minutes.... i play horn
I once performed in a chorus where I had to wait 45 minutes to start singing. We were all there way in the back as usual so I passed the time watching the percussionists all do their thing.
I have 37 rests in my music.... 😭😭 btw I play oboe
Lol, one piece I'm playing I tacet on, but they wrote out every measure and broke up the bar rests into 8-16 sections. Have no idea why. Three sections of eight bar rests then two sections of 16 bar rests then two bars of whole note rests then the first ending and repeat. What? Why even write any of it out then? There isn't a single note throughout that movement.
as a violist i can relate to the not counting problem. i just get so entranced by how talented our concert master is, skip a measure of counting because i forgot the conductor cues us, play for a second, freak out because i’m early, put my instrument down, see the conductor cue, freak out again because i’m not ready, and then cry.
Damn.
Ahhh back to old school Twoset thank you senpais!!
Miwi R I wonder when they're doing charades again
They've never really stopped their little skits, have they?
Yes skits are best
Michelle Dai 😊little skits kinda got drowned (burnt?) amongst all the roasting vids
They really listen to their fans. 👍
Level children's choir: knowing the entire piece by heart anyway because you had to practice it for 200 hours until the kids could remember how it works.
That's why I play solo piano. The rests end exactly when I end them😉
"You hit a wrong note!"
"No, the composer incorrectly described my interpretation."
I come in when I want to
but when you start playing with ensembles and chamber groups... that's when being a pianist wrecks you
@@abjaaksm yea, you really do have to be careful. I'm a soloist pianist and you really have to be careful not to take too many liberties with the tempo, or else you screw everyone.
@@rocketcrazy3467 Very true. That what I'm having trouble with regarding violin.
9 Measures - Waiting for a long time
*LAUGHS IN BASS*
*uproarious cackling in Percussion 3*
Lol
I played bass clarinet for a year.
**laughs in 100 consecutive measures of rest**
*maniacal laughing from the trombone section*
*then proceeds to cry in 22 measure rest*
Y’all don’t know torture until you’re a baritone/euphonium- aka, the forgotten instrument
The great part about being a French horn: 7/10 times, we're playing a supporting part which is either a long, sustained note or the same note with the best of the melody. Just pick a note of you're lost and play is for 8 measures, you'll be fine
As a French horn, I can verify lol. It’s even easier were playing a march. Pick a note in the chord, play upbeats, and change notes when you hear (very predictable) chord shift
Jennifer Miller So true
Maaan that is so true 😂
Then there’s the level where you can walk out during tacet, get a sandwich, play a couple games of smash bros, take a nap, call your distant relative, laugh at viola jokes and binge watch TwoSetViolin and come back exactly when you’re supposed to come in
As a percussionist in concert band I can tell you the back of the percussion section 60% of the time of the time are reading or on their phones, 30% of the time are napping and the other 10 percent of the time actually playing or counting
But hey we practice after school so we always know when to come in