Im a casual onlooker to poker, i used to be obsessed in 07 to 2011. So i just occasionally poke my head in to see whats going on. But the last few years ive noticed poker has gained a lot of popularity. Like im seeing it more and more in settings i wouldnt expect to see it, streams i happen to see get a lot of increasing attention, can just tell a LOT of people want to play it. If only it became widely legal in the states and easy to play online, i think it would be a golden time for online poker. Again.
@@kylecannarile7161 when i started getting into poker like 2 years ago, i found it absurd to see some plays being made from live recs - studying amateurs in 1/2 online have a better sense for the game than this lol
this is very interesting. I mostly just play for fun, but ive played over 20 years and i can pretty regulary go deep into mtts and usually avoid making any massive blunders and a lot of his thought processes are very similar to mine, just obviously on an entirely different level. i delved into gto a bit years ago when i was trying to take poker more seriously and i swear i was having the worst result of my life when i was just trying to make "gto approved plays."
yeah you shouldn't "play gto". that doesn't work unless you are playing against a gto bot. also if you already have confidence in your style of play you are gonna play worse regardless of what you are trying to apply. gto is pure theory, poker played by humans is not. having the theoretical understanding becomes useful if you can actually play a consistent strategy over a LONG time, and judge your opponents appropriately. going relatively deep in lower stakes MTT's is mostly down to folding when you don't have it and never bluff off your stack - most of the field is going to play themselves out due to impatience or just being bad.
@@genesises absolutely, i always try to play balanced as well and i have a pretty good understanding of ranges and which spots are good to bluff or not. from there i just try to take notes of what my opponents are doing and play a bit more exploitive. against certain opponents (especially at lower stakes) the "gto approved plays" are just going to put you in a ton of spots you dont want to be in.
I'm not saying he isn't a great player. But counting total winnings is kind of silly. Profit/time is the metric that matters. Heck Negreanu has been getting soaked for years now. But his total winnings have been pretty high.
We need to talk about the real roi% that is achievable not how poker is easy and soft and all this nonsense. The realistic and achievable roi% is what really determines if a game is soft or not. For example if you can achieve 30% longterm, that means the game is really easy and most importantly there will be less swings and you will get to realize that winrate faster. On the other hand if 5% is achievable, that is a nightmare game, because even if on paper it is profitable, but the swings long-term can last 5k+ tournaments and that means years of practically gambling. I personally and ethically wouldn't suggest anyone to play poker for a living like this, maybe playing on the side. Please Ben stop telling lies to promote your business.
@Leinsterken Because of Black Friday They shut down all online poker sites in the United States I lost everything I had on poker stars and Full Tilt as well, didn't have a lot but still, I never saw that money again along with most people.
Ben, you're wrong about the early stages of tournaments. That's why you end up near bubble with 15bbs. People gamble more in early stages and make silly bets to accumulate chips. So many thin profitable calls you're missing when you're 24tabling. I guess it's a streaming/entertainment thing to make it to at least one final table per stream but I feel it's -ev.
@@Moocherguy anyone who's above taking advice is more than lost forever. Also, when working 8 hours, you work 100% for 8 hours, not scratching your @@s for 6 of them and if you make it deep by coinflips take it seriously. Just a thought from a nobody lol
@@cheekibone117 true, he made millions playing the best poker he could. I just don't think 24 tabling can sustain anywhere close the quality that made him profitable against the top players and with so small edges. Missing on early spots is detrimental in this scenario. But I do wonder what will be his performance if he's focusing on one table while the other 8 players play 24 tables. I believe he knows the answer as well.
In my view I will float-ev calls mid game because in a 5 hour tournament if I get lucky I will become big stack if I lose it’s just another day and I put the whole thing in the rear view mirror. I choose my spot when to float and close my eyes
Here because BenCb is getting heating on twitter. I love how Bonomo is at the forefront of criticism but is also a known cheater? The moral police can’t even control themselves lol
The multitable problem: Ben has an interesting hand on table 4,6,8,13,14,17,20. I'm sitting on table 24 at middle position with 80bbs. Ug raises from 30bbs, ut+1 reraises from 25bbs and I shove 80bbs pre. You're sitting on sb with 44s and 50bbs. What do you do? Well, previous hand you missed cause you're playing the hand on 7 tables was between utg vs me where he shoved a6off and I called with aas and lost to a 6 high straight. Now you might want to rethink how strong are your 44s.
also while i'm not the best player, folding 44 in that spot doesn't seem to require too much player specific context to make up your mind, 2 players to act behind with 1 allin
There were studies done that proved online poker is completely rigged. Players investing heavily might be favoured but the average player never wins long term no matter how well they play.
I would love to see those studies. Any chance you can give us a link or something? Out of the blue however, I'll disagree. Also laugh at the 2million freeroller over here. Who are you, jesus scammer ferguson? It's difficult yes, takes ages of study yes, needs maximum emotional control yes and yes you have to be a genius on top. If any factor is less than it should you're going broke over long run. No way around this. Sure, sites have huge incentives to have bots and rigged rngs. Bots have been proven to be real (after years of screaming about them now they lost their money they care. When it was yours they said you need to buy a course) and there is an open conversation on rngs. Nothing is proven about them as far as I know. The full tilt days are over folks. I wish they weren't. I miss gus.
i do remember watching a video a long time ago where a guy took data from hundreds of thousands of hands and found that that odds were very skewed when it came to late stages of a tourney or the higher stack player usually being favoured to win a flip. who knows if its really like that, but it would kind of make sense to have something coded in that is just moving games along faster, getting more money moving so ultimately they make more rake.
My first thought: Jungleman woke up 5 minutes before this interview.
Man.. he is like me, he never wake up and in the same time he is so more awake then 99.999%
Keep it going jungle
Im a casual onlooker to poker, i used to be obsessed in 07 to 2011. So i just occasionally poke my head in to see whats going on. But the last few years ive noticed poker has gained a lot of popularity. Like im seeing it more and more in settings i wouldnt expect to see it, streams i happen to see get a lot of increasing attention, can just tell a LOT of people want to play it. If only it became widely legal in the states and easy to play online, i think it would be a golden time for online poker. Again.
2003. Poker Boom
2023. A mini poker boom caused by prolonged pause due to Covid and stuff.
You are indeed seeing what you're seeing.
What I see a lot in 4bet live poker is that people with AK who miss the flop just shove, because they have no idea what to do.
That's why a live $1k buy in is considered the same skill level as a $50 or less online
@@kylecannarile7161 when i started getting into poker like 2 years ago, i found it absurd to see some plays being made from live recs - studying amateurs in 1/2 online have a better sense for the game than this lol
Appreciate your work Jungle ❤
i remember when on FT low / mid stackes in a 5k runner field they 4b all in K8o 50 bb 5 y ago
this is very interesting. I mostly just play for fun, but ive played over 20 years and i can pretty regulary go deep into mtts and usually avoid making any massive blunders and a lot of his thought processes are very similar to mine, just obviously on an entirely different level. i delved into gto a bit years ago when i was trying to take poker more seriously and i swear i was having the worst result of my life when i was just trying to make "gto approved plays."
yeah you shouldn't "play gto". that doesn't work unless you are playing against a gto bot. also if you already have confidence in your style of play you are gonna play worse regardless of what you are trying to apply.
gto is pure theory, poker played by humans is not. having the theoretical understanding becomes useful if you can actually play a consistent strategy over a LONG time, and judge your opponents appropriately.
going relatively deep in lower stakes MTT's is mostly down to folding when you don't have it and never bluff off your stack - most of the field is going to play themselves out due to impatience or just being bad.
@@genesises absolutely, i always try to play balanced as well and i have a pretty good understanding of ranges and which spots are good to bluff or not. from there i just try to take notes of what my opponents are doing and play a bit more exploitive.
against certain opponents (especially at lower stakes) the "gto approved plays" are just going to put you in a ton of spots you dont want to be in.
@@genesises I agree, but sometimes you just have to bluff off your stack ;)
online poker is simple when you understand the underlying muscles and tendons and layers of the face of poker
you're lowkey a psychopath. who talks like that
Online poker is event more simple when you hide your results and tell everybody how big winner you are. Bencb story.
@@tomek3210he's posted his results
Thanks from Singapore Jungleman. Big fan...
I'm not saying he isn't a great player. But counting total winnings is kind of silly. Profit/time is the metric that matters. Heck Negreanu has been getting soaked for years now. But his total winnings have been pretty high.
its rude to ask for actual profit so giving the total winnings has at least some value
Daniel is losing money cause he's playing over his league not with Sammy or matussow etc.
Ben has his profits posted on his twitter
WSOP is just one series, and grinding it for POY is tough. Those numbers play out for almost everyone.
@@jimduggan8382 while some think that, its lying to claim total winnings is reflective of skill or success especially in a game like poker
Great episode wish it was longer :D
We need to talk about the real roi% that is achievable not how poker is easy and soft and all this nonsense. The realistic and achievable roi% is what really determines if a game is soft or not. For example if you can achieve 30% longterm, that means the game is really easy and most importantly there will be less swings and you will get to realize that winrate faster. On the other hand if 5% is achievable, that is a nightmare game, because even if on paper it is profitable, but the swings long-term can last 5k+ tournaments and that means years of practically gambling. I personally and ethically wouldn't suggest anyone to play poker for a living like this, maybe playing on the side. Please Ben stop telling lies to promote your business.
Often times i play K6s in his honour 😂
Thank u jungle n thanks Ben
I am too excited for this!!
Jungle, somewhere I saw you with almost shaved head, like 7mm of hair and I thought it suited you very well, have you thought about that look?
think ill fix my hair actually
That Patrick Antonius
Nice strat heavy episode
Love ya Jungleman
15" POKER HAAAAARRRRDDD
2 legends
"i just call and try to hit a flop"
Two Goats!
great interview! what did Ben say about the FBI in the beginning? didn't catch that.
Black Friday department of justice seized his funds
@@benjaminlopez9662why?
@@Leinsterken Google “poker Black Friday” online poker shut down in America for everyone.
@@Leinsterken look up "poker black friday"
@Leinsterken Because of Black Friday They shut down all online poker sites in the United States I lost everything I had on poker stars and Full Tilt as well, didn't have a lot but still, I never saw that money again along with most people.
Nice!
Ben, you're wrong about the early stages of tournaments. That's why you end up near bubble with 15bbs. People gamble more in early stages and make silly bets to accumulate chips. So many thin profitable calls you're missing when you're 24tabling. I guess it's a streaming/entertainment thing to make it to at least one final table per stream but I feel it's -ev.
Who the eff are you lol tryna give Ben advice
@@Moocherguy anyone who's above taking advice is more than lost forever. Also, when working 8 hours, you work 100% for 8 hours, not scratching your @@s for 6 of them and if you make it deep by coinflips take it seriously. Just a thought from a nobody lol
@@FriendsForFriends666 You know he made millions playing poker right. But true, I also think streaming and playing that many tables is -ev
@@cheekibone117 true, he made millions playing the best poker he could. I just don't think 24 tabling can sustain anywhere close the quality that made him profitable against the top players and with so small edges.
Missing on early spots is detrimental in this scenario. But I do wonder what will be his performance if he's focusing on one table while the other 8 players play 24 tables. I believe he knows the answer as well.
In my view I will float-ev calls mid game because in a 5 hour tournament if I get lucky I will become big stack if I lose it’s just another day and I put the whole thing in the rear view mirror. I choose my spot when to float and close my eyes
Here because BenCb is getting heating on twitter. I love how Bonomo is at the forefront of criticism but is also a known cheater? The moral police can’t even control themselves lol
Btw, its not recommended to keep your entire roll on a poker site even today 😂
The multitable problem: Ben has an interesting hand on table 4,6,8,13,14,17,20. I'm sitting on table 24 at middle position with 80bbs. Ug raises from 30bbs, ut+1 reraises from 25bbs and I shove 80bbs pre. You're sitting on sb with 44s and 50bbs. What do you do?
Well, previous hand you missed cause you're playing the hand on 7 tables was between utg vs me where he shoved a6off and I called with aas and lost to a 6 high straight. Now you might want to rethink how strong are your 44s.
maybe he's more into maximizing money/time over money/hand ^^
also while i'm not the best player, folding 44 in that spot doesn't seem to require too much player specific context to make up your mind, 2 players to act behind with 1 allin
As long as people post stuff like this i will play poker
@@CARPital I thought we lost you. Thank god you're still around. 😂😂😂
@@genesises exactly. In a vacuum. On that table though the context is very obvious if you pay attention and not 24tabling.
To me its completely asinine to play 11 dollar tournaments while playing 10ks and stuff🤣but alot of respect though.
IRS here, we’re still waiting for those tax returns.
Waitt where is my taxback? I lost last year😅
Tooop content
Is Mr Cates broke?
MR Cates is never broke
@ghostbr9136 what about bencb....I watch his streams doesn't seem $35,000,000 is possible.....need to see his tax returns.....lol.hahaha.
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1st & Foremost....Fcuk Jokerstars!!
2nd...... really good video and Ben was a very interesting & educational guy to listen to thanks!
Is it just me or Ben sounded as outdated bad reg 😮
There were studies done that proved online poker is completely rigged. Players investing heavily might be favoured but the average player never wins long term no matter how well they play.
I've freerolled up to about 2 million since 2008
Lol no
I would love to see those studies. Any chance you can give us a link or something?
Out of the blue however, I'll disagree. Also laugh at the 2million freeroller over here. Who are you, jesus scammer ferguson?
It's difficult yes, takes ages of study yes, needs maximum emotional control yes and yes you have to be a genius on top. If any factor is less than it should you're going broke over long run. No way around this.
Sure, sites have huge incentives to have bots and rigged rngs. Bots have been proven to be real (after years of screaming about them now they lost their money they care. When it was yours they said you need to buy a course) and there is an open conversation on rngs. Nothing is proven about them as far as I know.
The full tilt days are over folks. I wish they weren't. I miss gus.
@@FriendsForFriends666thanks a lot for the comment man!
i do remember watching a video a long time ago where a guy took data from hundreds of thousands of hands and found that that odds were very skewed when it came to late stages of a tourney or the higher stack player usually being favoured to win a flip. who knows if its really like that, but it would kind of make sense to have something coded in that is just moving games along faster, getting more money moving so ultimately they make more rake.