xxdavecz Matter of opinion. For me personally, as this season had some good episodes, and is overally better than s3-4, its still miles behind s1-2. Flashback stuff is incredibly boring to me. Olivier team feels more like extras. I miss old crew with Thea and Arsenal. Ragman, that was best new addition to the team, was "sent away". As I liked Chase/Prometheus, he is becoming less and less scary for some reason. There arent any lasting stakes, I dont care about Oliviers new girlfriend really. Talias being so "upset" with Oliver makes no sense, as here father died in honorable duel, while he wanted to gass a city.
MrNefczi I'm talking about this season for each show. I'm not talking about arrow in particular. For me, season 2 was the best, then season 1, then season 3. Season 4 was awful and the way season 5 is going, I'd put them third but that depends on how well they end this season and hopefully they don't mess up.
I wish they had gone with Eddie as Savitar. We already know he gets power from a stone, just like MALCOLM Thawne (Cobalt Blue) we also know he's from the Speed Force ( Eddie got pulled into the Singularity Paradox, what if it kept him alive and just on the edge of death?) why else would you have Ronnie there? HE BLEW UP THE SINGULARITY!!! And Snart blew up the Time Masters. It would have been PERFECT!!
Black Flash is an aspect of death specifically for speedsters. Also show of metaphorical hands who thinks Savitair grabbed Jesse midway through the portal? Well enough about that, time for the Supergirl/Flash musical AKA "fun filler". Still it'll be a nice change of pace.
I think Killer Frost will be the traitor. Kaitlyn will lose control of her powers, probably trying to save someone on team Flash from Savitar. Also, the reason Barry broke it off with Iris is because, like he said, they can't move forward while this whole thing with Savitar is over their heads. Basically, as long as he was running around, their relationship decisions would be based on the future where she dies, not trying to live in the moment and be together.
Eric's reaction at the end to the Barry/Iris thing was hilarious and exactly mine. Season 4 Arrow mirroring Season 3 Flash is very sad :( I miss the tons of fun Flash had in earlier stuff. Feels bad man. :(
This episode brought up/reminded me of yet another piece of information that could possibly make the theory of Savitar being Future Barry more plausible The article from the future talks about how Barry goes missing in a crisis, maybe this is because he had now become Savitar at that point and another Flash (this Flash? S1 finale Flash who warned this Flash not to save his mother?) came along, made the Speedforce prison and trapped him in there?
I loved seeing Eddie, Ronnie and Cold again. Best parts were Black Flash vs Barry and Jay's entrance. I don't have a problem with Iris, their relationship is just very boring to me. So far, one of the best episodes this season. Great review guys, can't wait for Arrow. Glad you're feeling better Eric.
Everyone basically gets hung up on this ending, which I think is large but always keeps people from talking about how good the rest of the episode was. In regards to the end, I really think that the line from the episode before where Barry says "My fear is the reason for all of this" means that he needs to no longer be paralyzed with fear about the prospective future, as it is causing mistakes, rash decisions, and sacrifices by others. By knowing that he is going to have to deal with his mistakes and not change them before he makes them, he'll be better able to make correct decisions. I don't want to talk about what the future WILL be, because I don't know!
If it wasn't for Savitar saying "we'll meet soon" or whatever it was he said, I'd say HR would be a good candidate for Savitar's identity before he got powers. HR and Savitar are the only ones that refer to Wally as Wallace and we've never seen HR out in the field, much less wielding a weapon. If they do go that route it could just be another scenario where HR was hiding his real motives and thus the "we'll meet soon" bit. Plus HR loves stories and when they talked to Savitar through Julian, he mentioned how he loves a good myth. I don't know, though. We'll have to wait and see.
Strongly agree! Yeah there's says of knowing I figured it out before reveal looked it up and got a lot of confirmation! I couldn't wait I had to know the wait was agonizing!
as an indian, seeing your attempt at the accent or in a stereotypical way (?) for the line "one will suffer a fate worse than death" + the frequent nodding of the head just cracked me up, hilarious 😂
Barry didn't kill the Black Flash. That was just a manifestation of the speed force... Nothing he saw was real... Iris is supposed to be Barry's tether...
Barry didn't ask for space because he saw Iris as a distraction. He asked for space because he is too consumed by fear to be any good for Iris. He is scared he will continue to make relationship decisions out of fear (eg. moving forward with the engagement/wedding) until he overcomes his fears. Frankly he needs to get his head out of his butt, snap out of it, and trust that their love for one another will pull them through. I doubt that this CW "space" drama crap will last for more than an episode or two. All the cynics need to calm down with hating on the episodes that are actually good (I feel like a lot of the angry people are pissed because the plot revolves around Iris, but the overall somber tone is what the real turn off was for many fans). . Season 3 hasn't been perfect, but it hasn't been that bad. Especially since the Grodd 2 parter...the show has really picked up the pace and I have really been enjoying it. Every season the show has episodes that have slower pacing, quicker pacing, the dreaded fillers, and yes, relationship drama. As annoying as the drama is, it's gonna happen. So I've just accepted it. People act like there is sooo much more, but it's really been like this since the start (except Jessie and Wally's drama an annoying, over the top, and forced addition). I was very annoyed by Jessie trying to act like she wasn't being secretive and reckless. She could have gotten herself killed and made Savitar stronger (At least she acknowledged her stupidity in the end). She got lucky with that stabbing. I think Savitar should have totally been able to block that as he outclasses her in both speed, strength, & skill. He did say he knew she was coming as he's lived this already, so I think he also knew she was gonna stab him, and just let her. I still think Savitar is Wally. Which explains why he said he has plans for her and why he went so easy on her (he could have skewered her 100 times over when he held her in the air). I agree about there being too many people in the room with "ideas". It's annoying. I wish they'd thin the heard or define everyone's roles more precisely. Barry should do his CSI/skilled combat thing, Iris should be the one to do research on the new villains (like she did with locating grodd in 1x21, clearing Eddie's name when she exposed Everyman in 1x20, and exposing Julian's past in 3x09). GIVE MY GIRL MORE TO DO! Caitlin should stick to being a doctor/biochemist, and Cisco should stick to his inventions. I did wonder about Jay going nuts while he waited for Barry. So when Barry goes back in and lets him out, Jay is so far gone that he became Savitar (seeing as how in the comics he IS the first speedster). So then Barry locks him back in eventually. Maybe... Great review guys!
I'm to lazy to type it out again so I'll just copy what I wrote on Jimmy Macram's reaction: It's not stupid -Jimmy- Blindwave! Just think about what Barry has gone through the latest year or whatever. Season 2 finale he literally killed himself to save his friends on that giant hamsterball thingy to defeat Zoom by going back in time and running so fast he fragmented. What kind of mental state does a man have to be in to kill himself? To top that off he then ran back into time, Flashpoint paradox and all that which ended up hurting a lot of his friends and once again seeing his mother die and now he tried to end up in a fate worse than death by sacrificing himself again! With the threat of having the love of his life dying in the near future Barry is in no mental state to be in a healthy relationship. I've personally been waiting for him to crack under the pressure for quite some time now but I guess he just outruns all that shit. And it seems every reactor mentions why the time wraith or Flash doesn't just phase through the elevator doors. Like, we're in the speedforce, not an actual physical space, the doors are just a sort of exit or entrance. Blind acceptance of the Speedforce using other people as avatars but think they're really at the police station or star labs? Come on. Great episode though (Snart biatch!) and great reaction.
I personally hope that Savitar's identity is like his comic counterpart, just some random stranger who got speed, grew a major god complex and hates Barry. i think it would be a fresh to see Barry's strongest enemy thus far to be just a random nobody
remember when Savitar said that Barry did not create him? Jay was not created by Barry. The Flash created the prison in the future but it was already present in the speed force now sooo... could Jay have gone crazy and because there is no time in the speed force, a day outside it may be a century in it. I don't want Jay to be Savitar but I think it's possible.
I think the reason Barry got fast enough to compete with him was because he was Mad. We've seen that Barry's Emotions make him either slower or faster. When he's scared and has mental blocks he either can't run or is much slower. Example: After Zoom Broke His Back. But when he is heavily Emotional e.g Angry Or Full Of "Love". He's faster. Example: When His Father Died. He got extremely angry and managed to keep up with Zoom and Beat The Shit Out of Him. That's what I think happened against Savitar. He just saw Wally dissappear in front of him. He was really fucking pissed. And then he competed with Savitar. When Barry is Emotional his Powers Tend to Waver. He's either slower or alot faster. But Savitar just being slower is a good theory.
1. I had a really good Avatar theme tie in for the Flash but you guys aren't done yet. 2. I see what the writers are trying to do I just think they're doing it poorly in some aspects. I think the whole point of this episode was for Barry to take responsibility for his actions, but also to not let his past mistakes weigh him down. Also, I think it was worth mentioning that even though Barry is the fastest man alive he still can't save everyone.
The part about the Black Flash, I think that's to show how he got out of the Speed Force into the 'real' world and is now a physical entity chasing Eobard Thawne.
Contrived drama is annoying but......Felicity didn't break up with Oliver cause he's not perfect, she broke up with him because he lied to her about a huge thing while planning to marry her? Like...that's a natural reaction? I mean her father left her as a kid. What do you want? Anyways Barry is acting stupid.
she doesnt want to bring savitar to earth 2. he said he had plans for her.. And remember the names on the phone of earth 2 Barry! Diana? Clark? Bruce? they havê the HOLY TRINITY! She aint needed xD
During the Jesse & Savitar showdown, did anyone see the figure in red on the train coming from the right to the left? Could that be Savitar and how he said he knew she would come to fight him? This would be how he didn't know he would be stabbed.
If you told me at the start of this season that Arrow and LoT would be the DC Shows I enjoy the most and Flash is the one with the most problems I would have laughed at you. Yet here we are with the show riding off the success of S1 and not willing to change up the formula or do anything different. It's become a very repetitive show that isn't even very entertaining right now. Heck I'm glad the musical crossover is next because at least I know it'll be entertaining.
Yes, we should definitely all cry about it so that CW can turn it around for the future seasons. It worked for Arrow didn't it? Unless you just want to accept weak storytelling and be part of the problem.
Wait, *and spoilers for The Flash* (for those not caught up, but the crew is), but how did Savitar know about Jesse Quick coming after him, if, y'know, he wasn't aware of this happening in the past. Barry didn't know, so how did he...?
I'm actually enjoying Arrow, Flash, and Legends equally this season, but I definitely agree that the writing for Flash villains this season is somewhat lacking. I still think Savitar is sufficient as a villain; the writers have done just enough to make him a legit adversary.
in the comics, wally west traps hunter zolomon in a time loop where he has to relive his worst moment over and over. that sounds very similar to the prison that future barry created. is savitar a future black flash? maybe eric is right and black flash will rise up against the speed force
I'm thinking that Savitar might be Barry Allen, Barry becomes tortured by seeing Iris dying so he tries everything to become faster and enters the Speedforce and can't get out, over time he goes crazy and takes on the mantle of Savitar and comes back to torment Barry into being fast enough to defeat himself thereby destroying that future where Barry becomes Savitar.
I know I'm like more than a season late but what if the speed force said that they knew who Savitar was. Then Barry asked, "Who is he?". Then the speed force says, "Barry, we're not going to tell you any more. You've done enough." but they meant , "Barry. we're not going to tell you any more. You've done enough." saying that Barry is Savitar and then telling Barry that he's done enough and they're not going to tell him any more but Barry thinks that when they said "Barry...", they were stating him and telling him that he's done enough. That would be a cool hint.
the best case would be fore jay since now he's locked in the speed force and Barry witnessed it,also jay is hella old so he can be the 1st speedster and his body can't keep up that's why he needs that suit
The speed force cameos were cool and all, but I hate how the show ruins them by including the actors names in the "Special Guest Starring" opening credits
They teach Barry a lesson because he is the speed force. Nobody seems to talk about flash saving Jay with helmet basically showing he can save iris, and not all universes need a speedster like 39 so maybe 2 don't need one.
CW always go overboard with the love drama and shit. I mean don't get me wrong, it's necessary for character development but God damn it bitch! sometimes they need to slow it down. Especially when it's after a huge sequence of events like the one presented in this episode. Besides I never understood why would he break with her, it's dumb, unrealistic, and not hero like! -_-
I hope the writers learned something with Arrow season 4 and stop with this bullshit drama, unless their idea is to have people want Iris to die in the season finale (and i hope that doesnt happen) Last week i thought Savitar was Wally, now i think it is Future Flash that disappeared on the future. Maybe something happened he got stuck in that prison and we became crazy.
What is your problem, i cant express my opinion? You dont have do agree with me, if you like the Barry/Iris drama and you think Savitar is another person thats fine.
Just a really vague theory, savitar is reverse flash? I think that maybe in the end of D.C.'s legends reverse flash changes himself into savitar. Somehow he still exists in the D.C. Legends episodes but maybe reverse flash had to make himself savitar to protect himself from black flash?? I know it's bad but hey no one knows what will happen
One reason Jay can't be Savatar is that Savatar said Barry created that prison for him in the future. Barry clearly didn't create that prison for Jay. Barry didn't even want him to stay there voluntarily.
No i just hate the the show is happy to beat a dead horse. Even the aliens from the crossover were "cuz Flashpoint" we get it. He gets it. Lesson learned move on. Everything bad that happens from now until the end of time doesn't have to be Barry's fault.
Omegeddon they have to make a point like that Barry will be terrified by time travel and if Cisco or Caitlyn dies or someone important he as billion of reasons not to do it
i realized the other day that the cw is very bad at long term relationships (specifically on the arrowverse shows) the only one i could name is Diggle and Lyla and they almost never have any screen time together. anyways, i've seen a pattern emerging and i think the cw writers might need to reevaluate how their writing relationships because no one appreciates cheap drama
After watching this episode I'm even more convinced Savitar will somehow be Eddie and I also have this feeling that Barry is either going to use Black Flash or become Black Flash himself in order to defeat Savitar the only other way I see him defeating Savitar is trap him back in the speed force in order to free Jay Garrick
Everytime they are in the time vault they check who writes the article, no one ever asks why the hell does the flash disappear lol
Keko Digregorio true. Lol
Cause they already know XD
@@EpicGamer25 really? Why??
@@deadpooljennkins5641 Do you know now?
@@Pinocchio1159 no
The look on Eric's face when Cold turned up... pure glee!
Arrow,Flash and legends were all so great this week
Legends were great, but fell asleep during Arrow :P
xxdavecz couldn't agree more. Arrow, in general, has been the best of the four shows this season.
xxdavecz Matter of opinion. For me personally, as this season had some good episodes, and is overally better than s3-4, its still miles behind s1-2. Flashback stuff is incredibly boring to me. Olivier team feels more like extras. I miss old crew with Thea and Arsenal. Ragman, that was best new addition to the team, was "sent away". As I liked Chase/Prometheus, he is becoming less and less scary for some reason. There arent any lasting stakes, I dont care about Oliviers new girlfriend really. Talias being so "upset" with Oliver makes no sense, as here father died in honorable duel, while he wanted to gass a city.
Saad Nadeem i think legends is doing the best
MrNefczi I'm talking about this season for each show. I'm not talking about arrow in particular. For me, season 2 was the best, then season 1, then season 3. Season 4 was awful and the way season 5 is going, I'd put them third but that depends on how well they end this season and hopefully they don't mess up.
I wish they had gone with Eddie as Savitar.
We already know he gets power from a stone, just like MALCOLM Thawne (Cobalt Blue)
we also know he's from the Speed Force ( Eddie got pulled into the Singularity Paradox, what if it kept him alive and just on the edge of death?)
why else would you have Ronnie there? HE BLEW UP THE SINGULARITY!!!
And Snart blew up the Time Masters.
It would have been PERFECT!!
Cant wait for your reaction to the musical-episode next week. It will be so great
Black Flash is an aspect of death specifically for speedsters.
Also show of metaphorical hands who thinks Savitair grabbed Jesse midway through the portal?
Well enough about that, time for the Supergirl/Flash musical AKA "fun filler". Still it'll be a nice change of pace.
I think Killer Frost will be the traitor. Kaitlyn will lose control of her powers, probably trying to save someone on team Flash from Savitar.
Also, the reason Barry broke it off with Iris is because, like he said, they can't move forward while this whole thing with Savitar is over their heads. Basically, as long as he was running around, their relationship decisions would be based on the future where she dies, not trying to live in the moment and be together.
Does anyone else want to know what horrible thing Jay Garrick is seeing now that he's in the prison?
I do
I also want to know what barry would see. His mother's death, his father's death, or iris's death
Cosmic Master maybe all 3 one after another over and over again
@@wyattlundrigan4740 maybe
Probably either his imprisonment by Zoom, or Joan’s death (Jays wife)
The sentence most said in flash
-I'll talk to her/him. Then goes out to the hallway to have a dramatic conversation.
Starting to get on my nerves
Shut the fuck up
@Willy Billy no
It does happen a lot but I don’t mind it.
The sentence most said in Arrow.
- you lied to me, i dont trust you. People break up and have stupid tension. I hated that.
Eric's reaction at the end to the Barry/Iris thing was hilarious and exactly mine. Season 4 Arrow mirroring Season 3 Flash is very sad :( I miss the tons of fun Flash had in earlier stuff. Feels bad man. :(
This episode brought up/reminded me of yet another piece of information that could possibly make the theory of Savitar being Future Barry more plausible
The article from the future talks about how Barry goes missing in a crisis, maybe this is because he had now become Savitar at that point and another Flash (this Flash? S1 finale Flash who warned this Flash not to save his mother?) came along, made the Speedforce prison and trapped him in there?
I loved seeing Eddie, Ronnie and Cold again. Best parts were Black Flash vs Barry and Jay's entrance. I don't have a problem with Iris, their relationship is just very boring to me. So far, one of the best episodes this season. Great review guys, can't wait for Arrow. Glad you're feeling better Eric.
Everyone basically gets hung up on this ending, which I think is large but always keeps people from talking about how good the rest of the episode was. In regards to the end, I really think that the line from the episode before where Barry says "My fear is the reason for all of this" means that he needs to no longer be paralyzed with fear about the prospective future, as it is causing mistakes, rash decisions, and sacrifices by others. By knowing that he is going to have to deal with his mistakes and not change them before he makes them, he'll be better able to make correct decisions. I don't want to talk about what the future WILL be, because I don't know!
the speed force pretty much said to Barry how I felt about season 2's finale
blind wave you guys are awesome. you just made my morning
Considering that all CW shows have romance as a subplot they are really crap at doing it.
EloImFizzy I agree I feel like the shows need to work on there relationships.
EloImFizzy even in the comics, iris is very important in barrys life. i don't see them actually killing her off. maybe in a future world only
Ik this was two years ago, but to be fair, Legends doesn't really have romance subplots.
its the teen romance of this show that ruins it for me. The Jesse Wally relationship couldnt be more forced, desperate, and over the top.
If it wasn't for Savitar saying "we'll meet soon" or whatever it was he said, I'd say HR would be a good candidate for Savitar's identity before he got powers. HR and Savitar are the only ones that refer to Wally as Wallace and we've never seen HR out in the field, much less wielding a weapon. If they do go that route it could just be another scenario where HR was hiding his real motives and thus the "we'll meet soon" bit. Plus HR loves stories and when they talked to Savitar through Julian, he mentioned how he loves a good myth. I don't know, though. We'll have to wait and see.
Strongly agree! Yeah there's says of knowing I figured it out before reveal looked it up and got a lot of confirmation! I couldn't wait I had to know the wait was agonizing!
as an indian, seeing your attempt at the accent or in a stereotypical way (?) for the line "one will suffer a fate worse than death" + the frequent nodding of the head just cracked me up, hilarious 😂
"The only fucking person that won in a fight left!!" I died 22:55
Barry didn't kill the Black Flash. That was just a manifestation of the speed force... Nothing he saw was real...
Iris is supposed to be Barry's tether...
It's no doubt Savitar is end form of Barry.. the thing future Barry was warning them about.
Don't mind the vid is late, just glad it's here! Hope you're feeling better Eric
Barry didn't ask for space because he saw Iris as a distraction. He asked for space because he is too consumed by fear to be any good for Iris. He is scared he will continue to make relationship decisions out of fear (eg. moving forward with the engagement/wedding) until he overcomes his fears. Frankly he needs to get his head out of his butt, snap out of it, and trust that their love for one another will pull them through. I doubt that this CW "space" drama crap will last for more than an episode or two.
All the cynics need to calm down with hating on the episodes that are actually good (I feel like a lot of the angry people are pissed because the plot revolves around Iris, but the overall somber tone is what the real turn off was for many fans). . Season 3 hasn't been perfect, but it hasn't been that bad. Especially since the Grodd 2 parter...the show has really picked up the pace and I have really been enjoying it. Every season the show has episodes that have slower pacing, quicker pacing, the dreaded fillers, and yes, relationship drama. As annoying as the drama is, it's gonna happen. So I've just accepted it. People act like there is sooo much more, but it's really been like this since the start (except Jessie and Wally's drama an annoying, over the top, and forced addition).
I was very annoyed by Jessie trying to act like she wasn't being secretive and reckless. She could have gotten herself killed and made Savitar stronger (At least she acknowledged her stupidity in the end). She got lucky with that stabbing. I think Savitar should have totally been able to block that as he outclasses her in both speed, strength, & skill. He did say he knew she was coming as he's lived this already, so I think he also knew she was gonna stab him, and just let her. I still think Savitar is Wally. Which explains why he said he has plans for her and why he went so easy on her (he could have skewered her 100 times over when he held her in the air).
I agree about there being too many people in the room with "ideas". It's annoying. I wish they'd thin the heard or define everyone's roles more precisely. Barry should do his CSI/skilled combat thing, Iris should be the one to do research on the new villains (like she did with locating grodd in 1x21, clearing Eddie's name when she exposed Everyman in 1x20, and exposing Julian's past in 3x09). GIVE MY GIRL MORE TO DO! Caitlin should stick to being a doctor/biochemist, and Cisco should stick to his inventions.
I did wonder about Jay going nuts while he waited for Barry. So when Barry goes back in and lets him out, Jay is so far gone that he became Savitar (seeing as how in the comics he IS the first speedster). So then Barry locks him back in eventually. Maybe...
Great review guys!
I finally realized why the actor who plays Leonard Snart sounded so familiar. The way he speaks reminds me of Christian Slater!
I'm to lazy to type it out again so I'll just copy what I wrote on Jimmy Macram's reaction:
It's not stupid -Jimmy- Blindwave! Just think about what Barry has gone through the
latest year or whatever. Season 2 finale he literally killed himself to
save his friends on that giant hamsterball thingy to defeat Zoom by
going back in time and running so fast he fragmented. What kind of
mental state does a man have to be in to kill himself? To top that off
he then ran back into time, Flashpoint paradox and all that which ended
up hurting a lot of his friends and once again seeing his mother die and
now he tried to end up in a fate worse than death by sacrificing
himself again! With the threat of having the love of his life dying in
the near future Barry is in no mental state to be in a healthy
relationship. I've personally been waiting for him to crack under the
pressure for quite some time now but I guess he just outruns all that
shit.
And it seems every reactor mentions why the time wraith or Flash doesn't just phase through the elevator doors. Like, we're in the speedforce, not an actual physical space, the doors are just a sort of exit or entrance. Blind acceptance of the Speedforce using other people as avatars but think they're really at the police station or star labs? Come on.
Great episode though (Snart biatch!) and great reaction.
this ep was really good it was sad to see garrick get stuck in the speed force but it pulled of at the end of the season
I personally hope that Savitar's identity is like his comic counterpart, just some random stranger who got speed, grew a major god complex and hates Barry. i think it would be a fresh to see Barry's strongest enemy thus far to be just a random nobody
Shirayuki Neko It would suck
I love how he says "Zoloman" cuz he recognizes him
remember when Savitar said that Barry did not create him? Jay was not created by Barry. The Flash created the prison in the future but it was already present in the speed force now sooo... could Jay have gone crazy and because there is no time in the speed force, a day outside it may be a century in it. I don't want Jay to be Savitar but I think it's possible.
I think the reason Barry got fast enough to compete with him was because he was Mad. We've seen that Barry's Emotions make him either slower or faster. When he's scared and has mental blocks he either can't run or is much slower. Example: After Zoom Broke His Back. But when he is heavily Emotional e.g Angry Or Full Of "Love". He's faster. Example: When His Father Died. He got extremely angry and managed to keep up with Zoom and Beat The Shit Out of Him.
That's what I think happened against Savitar. He just saw Wally dissappear in front of him. He was really fucking pissed. And then he competed with Savitar.
When Barry is Emotional his Powers Tend to Waver. He's either slower or alot faster.
But Savitar just being slower is a good theory.
1. I had a really good Avatar theme tie in for the Flash but you guys aren't done yet.
2. I see what the writers are trying to do I just think they're doing it poorly in some aspects. I think the whole point of this episode was for Barry to take responsibility for his actions, but also to not let his past mistakes weigh him down. Also, I think it was worth mentioning that even though Barry is the fastest man alive he still can't save everyone.
The part about the Black Flash, I think that's to show how he got out of the Speed Force into the 'real' world and is now a physical entity chasing Eobard Thawne.
I can't wait for your reactions to the next Flash episode! Its going to be so fun!
Contrived drama is annoying but......Felicity didn't break up with Oliver cause he's not perfect, she broke up with him because he lied to her about a huge thing while planning to marry her? Like...that's a natural reaction? I mean her father left her as a kid. What do you want? Anyways Barry is acting stupid.
He lied because he wanted to be able to see his son. Felishitty had no right to expect him to give up his son just for her.
she doesnt want to bring savitar to earth 2. he said he had plans for her..
And remember the names on the phone of earth 2 Barry! Diana? Clark? Bruce? they havê the HOLY TRINITY! She aint needed xD
Well actually it said bruce, diana and hal not clark
During the Jesse & Savitar showdown, did anyone see the figure in red on the train coming from the right to the left? Could that be Savitar and how he said he knew she would come to fight him? This would be how he didn't know he would be stabbed.
Joulian I'd say, because he can channel Savitar, and all that exposure may have done something to his subconscious.
Jay: "we both know a speedster needs to take wally's place....imma wait here go get Jessy"
Snart: You aint se nothing yet!
me: thats a jerome reference right there. will we get a crossover??!!!
The Flash has become such a soap opera lol
Chris Andreev then don't watch it simple as that
It's hard not to watch my favourite TV Show,
simple as that
Nvm I get what your saying my bad
If you told me at the start of this season that Arrow and LoT would be the DC Shows I enjoy the most and Flash is the one with the most problems I would have laughed at you.
Yet here we are with the show riding off the success of S1 and not willing to change up the formula or do anything different. It's become a very repetitive show that isn't even very entertaining right now. Heck I'm glad the musical crossover is next because at least I know it'll be entertaining.
Eric Prajogo cry about it
Eric Prajogo. I have to agree sadly, I haven't enjoyed Flash this season.
Yes, we should definitely all cry about it so that CW can turn it around for the future seasons. It worked for Arrow didn't it? Unless you just want to accept weak storytelling and be part of the problem.
Kit well if you're content with the show then good for you. Me? I'd like to see the show improve
+Kit
What a good way to handle criticism/s.
Perfect MTF-ing timing!!!!
you should do legion reviews its really great
Something in order to save the things you love, you have to risk letting them go.
I can't wait until your Legends Of Tomorrow this week!
Eric has a beautiful singing voice.
I stayed up til 3 am for this lol
YAYYY IVE BEEN FOR WAITING FOR YOUR REACTIONS!!
Wait, *and spoilers for The Flash* (for those not caught up, but the crew is), but how did Savitar know about Jesse Quick coming after him, if, y'know, he wasn't aware of this happening in the past.
Barry didn't know, so how did he...?
Hyped for next week
Will you guys be reacting to iron fist? It just released today.
It will likely take the spot for Luke Cage and be done weekly.
11:22 redirect lightning. Like in ATLA D:
I'm actually enjoying Arrow, Flash, and Legends equally this season, but I definitely agree that the writing for Flash villains this season is somewhat lacking. I still think Savitar is sufficient as a villain; the writers have done just enough to make him a legit adversary.
Barry phased through the wraith
YES!!......when you listen closely you can hear that phasing sound effect they use
in the comics, wally west traps hunter zolomon in a time loop where he has to relive his worst moment over and over. that sounds very similar to the prison that future barry created. is savitar a future black flash? maybe eric is right and black flash will rise up against the speed force
I'm thinking that Savitar might be Barry Allen, Barry becomes tortured by seeing Iris dying so he tries everything to become faster and enters the Speedforce and can't get out, over time he goes crazy and takes on the mantle of Savitar and comes back to torment Barry into being fast enough to defeat himself thereby destroying that future where Barry becomes Savitar.
Eric's Hindu guy impression killed me. Trying not to laugh too hard at work.
I know I'm like more than a season late but what if the speed force said that they knew who Savitar was. Then Barry asked, "Who is he?". Then the speed force says, "Barry, we're not going to tell you any more. You've done enough." but they meant , "Barry. we're not going to tell you any more. You've done enough." saying that Barry is Savitar and then telling Barry that he's done enough and they're not going to tell him any more but Barry thinks that when they said "Barry...", they were stating him and telling him that he's done enough. That would be a cool hint.
already calling it berry is going to put savitar in Jays place.
the best case would be fore jay since now he's locked in the speed force and Barry witnessed it,also jay is hella old so he can be the 1st speedster and his body can't keep up that's why he needs that suit
The speed force cameos were cool and all, but I hate how the show ruins them by including the actors names in the "Special Guest Starring" opening credits
They teach Barry a lesson because he is the speed force. Nobody seems to talk about flash saving Jay with helmet basically showing he can save iris, and not all universes need a speedster like 39 so maybe 2 don't need one.
6:36 He Phased!
7:40 that look when you're wrong, lol
I think Barry will save Iris from Savitar but I think the Reverse Flash comes back and kills Iris. just my theory.
when eddie appeared i just started crying like a baby
It wouldn't make sense for Harry to be pretending to be HR. He could have just stayed on Earth 1 as himself. No one was stopping him.
Savitar could tank Jesse's lightning probably because in the comics Savitar can use the speed force to create force fields
CW always go overboard with the love drama and shit. I mean don't get me wrong, it's necessary for character development but God damn it bitch! sometimes they need to slow it down. Especially when it's after a huge sequence of events like the one presented in this episode. Besides I never understood why would he break with her, it's dumb, unrealistic, and not hero like! -_-
12:43 had me dying
I hope the writers learned something with Arrow season 4 and stop with this bullshit drama, unless their idea is to have people want Iris to die in the season finale (and i hope that doesnt happen)
Last week i thought Savitar was Wally, now i think it is Future Flash that disappeared on the future. Maybe something happened he got stuck in that prison and we became crazy.
What is your problem, i cant express my opinion? You dont have do agree with me, if you like the Barry/Iris drama and you think Savitar is another person thats fine.
In the episode "Wrath of Savitar" Savitar said he created himself. Not Barry
Just a really vague theory, savitar is reverse flash? I think that maybe in the end of D.C.'s legends reverse flash changes himself into savitar. Somehow he still exists in the D.C. Legends episodes but maybe reverse flash had to make himself savitar to protect himself from black flash?? I know it's bad but hey no one knows what will happen
So hyped for the Arrow reaction
Ok but that lion king (Scar) reference 😂😂😂👌
One reason Jay can't be Savatar is that Savatar said Barry created that prison for him in the future. Barry clearly didn't create that prison for Jay. Barry didn't even want him to stay there voluntarily.
yes
I hate how literally everything wrong with the universe is "cuz Flashpoint" we get it. He fucked up.
No i just hate the the show is happy to beat a dead horse. Even the aliens from the crossover were "cuz Flashpoint" we get it. He gets it. Lesson learned move on. Everything bad that happens from now until the end of time doesn't have to be Barry's fault.
Omegeddon they have to make a point like that Barry will be terrified by time travel and if Cisco or Caitlyn dies or someone important he as billion of reasons not to do it
It's to make sure Barry understands that he shouldn't fuck with time. Even in the comics, time travel causes years of problems.
Except sometimes in the comics they fuck with time and everything is dandy lol
The thing is we get it but Barry never seems to.
love your vids guys, keep it up: go barry
I heard a theory that the reason Jesse didn't go to earth 2 was because there's already another hero there protecting it but idk
Didn't we see savitar ' s back in human form without the suit in a past episode? he didn't look like anyone we met yet.
It would have been cool ha get it if Speedforce Captain Cold said "there won't be a prison break on my watch"
Shadow Phoenix nice
Holy shit. Blindwave your the fucking best.
11:19 Savitar Did A Zoom!
i realized the other day that the cw is very bad at long term relationships (specifically on the arrowverse shows) the only one i could name is Diggle and Lyla and they almost never have any screen time together. anyways, i've seen a pattern emerging and i think the cw writers might need to reevaluate how their writing relationships because no one appreciates cheap drama
Wrong. Teenage girls are the CW's main audience and they gobble up romance drama like candy.
MetFanMac, well it's still a problem then
Honestly I was also thinking H.R. and Harry switched place this episode...Aaron is right!!
I think the best way to save Iris is by placing her on the wave rider with Legends until they defeat savitar !
Originally when I saw the episode I hoped that it was really Eddie and the speed force kept him hidden after he got sucked into the breach.
can't wait for Legends of Tomorrow :)
THE SPEED FORCE IS DIPWAD!
I wouldn't be surprised if Savitar was Julian from the future. It would be a repeat of last season, but I wouldn't be shocked if this show did that.
Savitar is Barry's time remnant
After watching this episode I'm even more convinced Savitar will somehow be Eddie and I also have this feeling that Barry is either going to use Black Flash or become Black Flash himself in order to defeat Savitar the only other way I see him defeating Savitar is trap him back in the speed force in order to free Jay Garrick
HOW MANY TIMES CAN THEY KILL BARRY'S PARENTS?
savitar is wally in the future
Knowing what we know about Savitar now I wonder how he knew Jesse would come? I mean Barry couldn’t know since he was in the speed force
Probably heard about it or knew from the speedforce.
I think with the end, Barry is differently planning something. I just don't know what.
Could you guys react to Legion on FX. Its really good and trippy.
Barry will make a time remnant to take Jay's place, and that remnant will become savitar, I think.