"The old cars had a bug where they couldn't receive software updates over the air. So unfortunately they're rolling out the .0 update in stages by sending technicians around to cars to update them. But that's fixed with 2.0" Source: The Fisker employee in the parking lot while dropping off the car
Maybe it was an issue on one of the first OS. Not on the later ones. All those little mistakes make your Fisker Videos really the worst quality car Reviews. See instead a real driver an car expert (also on German Autobahn) th-cam.com/video/HPI_lnqDiqE/w-d-xo.html
That's bad comms on Fisker's part for sure. Either the employee was mistaken, or perhaps they were talking about the very earliest Oceans (the One model, a small minority of the inventory Fisker has today). Might be worth updating this pin to clarify that this is not actually true for most Oceans, at least according to the testimony of the comments in this thread and on Reddit (where many folks are getting OTA 2.0)
easier to reach under the seat you are sitting in that across the entire car to open a compartment. just because it has been done one way in the past does not make it right..
Jsch... no, it's actually another safety issue with the car. Gloveboxes are designed to be accessable while the driver keeps eyes on the road, and so a peace officer can see the drivers hands when accessing it. Fumbling around under your seat instead is NOT an improvement
It's a shame that this company died due to bad software. Hopefully other companies will take notice of how important the UI/UX is for _all_ modern technologies, and not just adopt the "We'll fix it later" mentality; the first impression is the *ONLY* impression.
Fisker is not dying because of their software. It’s dying because Fisker never set up a proper delivery network in the US and support system for their vehicles. Crappy software can easily be improved but not delivery and customer/technician support.
UI/UX is important but proper dev pipeline and product management can always provide a path forward. You 100% can start with a basic UI/UX (very common) that isn’t perfect and evolve over time without losing users, and in fact having them love the product (and company) more over time. There are likely many other reasons it died, like cash flow, vision, management, engineering, etc…
The company is 0:01 dying again just like Henrik Fiskar's first company because he does not know how to set up and properly manage a company. None of the critical operational stuff was set up properly from the beginning, as evidenced by the fact that they couldn't even collect car payments properly which is unheard of in the car business.
@@TopGunZero While i agree in premise, i dont think Fisker was in a position to wait any longer. This may have been their "Hail Mary" and like most Hail Mary's, pass was incomplete.
The day this video came out, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has opened a third investigation against Fisker’s Ocean SUV for doors that won’t open.
In the next software update there will be a Door Delete option , doors pop off and you will get thumbs up from jeep wrangler owners as you drive down the road....🤣🤣😂
Tesla Stock is too big to fail. Everyone who has some fund has Tesla Apple Google shares, even in some Emerging Markets Africa fund. So Tesla price is save, if there is no robotaxi this year, cars have panel gaps, or their uhm let's say „next boss“ is a near fascist, conspiracy weirdo…
I'm a heartbroken Fisker Ocean Extreme owner and I agree with almost everything in this review. I also mostly agree with the previous one and I really don't want to. Also if Marques had spent more time with the car he would have found so many more UX issues. 1. My Ocean Extreme did receive its 2.0 Update over the air. It required me to manually accept it and consciously unplug and lock the vehicle while it updated. Note: A Fisker engineer did come to look at it after the update for other issues I'd reported. IIRC there was also conversation about updating the key fob... 2. You can manually push the button on the left side of the steering wheel to turn the parking brake off even if your seatbelt is not on ⚠ - If you are stopped at a light and you shift too much in your seat, the car shifts into P and unlocks the doors. ⚠ - If you open the driver side door it shifts into park and unlock the other doors. 3. Bluetooth/Audio still has reliability bugs. 4. I still lose 4G connection for multiple hours in a downtown area. When I do, both clocks on the vehicle's screen get out of sync and are both wrong (minutes are always accurate though.🤔) ⚠ - What happens to the 4G connection if Fisker goes out of business? 5. It now supports multiple profiles but the profiles in the car don't seem to store much besides A/C settings 😞 6. Spending engineering resources on a screen that only rotates when I'm in park and on fancy things like California mode was not the best move considering the state of the core experiences in the car's software. 7. I did get locked in the car multiple times as did my wife. Hasn't happened since 2.0 update I've said it before, the single most concerning thing for me was the promise of a "2.0" update to fix all the problems. Who even cares about version numbers today? How many folks know what version number of Chrome they are running? Nobody even notices when Chrome updates. IMHO celebrating numeric releases of software today is an anti-pattern. Continuous delivery, feature-flighting, A/B experimentation, these are not things you can easily build in after the fact. Shipping without all of them was a mistake and has impacted their engineering agility. I'm a software guy at heart so I'm biased but I think one of the best moves Fisker could make would be to create a non-profit foundation to own and drive forward their vehicle OS stack by making it open source and leveraging the community of enthusiasts. Take 24 vehicles and give 2 a month to community voted top contributors over the next year. This would also bolster confidence for new buyers in the event of dissolution. If the Ocean could become an autonomous vehicle dev kit for companies like Wayve and it's competitors perhaps they could even move more inventory.
Nah a real owner was not going to agreed to his review. This dude is a real owner and he give a real explanation of almost everything. th-cam.com/video/XVHZVhxOCDw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Y81zVFWuBlZ74Izp
I disagree with the open source comment, this would allow people to mess with the safety of the car in non-test situations. We are all aware that bugs can and will happen and as much as the community could do good, the risk Fisker takes letting anyone test out the bugs anywhere would be way too high. Also imagine if this allows bad actors to gain knowledge on how to steal these cars
'California Mode' has worked since day 1 on my 2006 Saab 9-3. This is not even a new feature. Since I'm still driving my 2006 Saab and have over 214k miles it feels like I now have this new California Mode feature. Yay!
I started shorting Fisker in 2021 when it was around $23. It almost instantly shot up to like $28 on some rumor that Apple was considering them to partner with for the Apple car. I closed my short for a good 20% loss. Now here we are and Fisker is basically worthless. Lol
I feel so bad for the employees of this company like the engineers who actually made a some good aspects of the car but cant see their work come to fruition
I test drove an Ocean in the UK a couple of weeks ago, I really like the car and this was after your original review. I didn’t experience the issues highlighted, but whilst the sales guy was demonstrating the swivel screen, it crashed and got stuck in the super useful “diagonal blank screen” mode. They had to switch the car off then on again to reset, which it did. The main thing I didn’t like was the jittery ride which doesn’t expire confidence as the car doesn’t feel at all planted.
The company I work for makes hinges. When the owner started it, they messed up the design of a hinge, which made the cabinet door not close to the end. A disaster given that the company was selling pretty much internationally. The owner decided to own the mistake and sent out technicians to fix and replace all the hinges, almost bankrupting the company in the process. But it passed. And because of that experience, he vowed to focus on quality and design, aiming to be the best. Years later, the company is now the leading cabinet hardware and hinge manufacturer worldwide, known for its quality! Good for Fisker for owning it and trying. Hoping it works out for them.
Your point is the Fisker business model is unhinged? Still repairable? I'm kidding but the EV market competition is going to have many failed businesses. I hope it works out for Fisker too. But, they got a product to market, which in itself is significant, imo. Lots of 'em didn't.
Unfortunately fisker seems to be another cautionary tale. They really did SO much right here. Solid looks, materials, and build quality. Unfortunately they really tried to over-deliver on the tech. If they had stopped at good looks and build quality, used android auto and CarPlay, and kept it affordable, they would have had a genuinely compelling product. But instead they messed with solar panels, custom software, and new safety features. It’s honestly such a shame and is a direct result of salespeople getting their way instead of engineers.
Yep. And as he was talking about how little the solar panels actually contributed... sheesh. All that tech and hardware for something that would make it very expensive to replace/repair if hail or a tree branch cracked the roof.
Salespeople have NOTHING to do with the features that go into the making of a car. This was executive-led "feature bloat" with nobody to tell him stop adding daydreaming the car out of viability.
@kluchakiller Until you realize a full tank of battery costs like $5 to $10. You're trying to get free $10 while at the same time risking repair bill in the thousands when rock flies from semi truck and cracks your solar panel..
From my experience, it’s other way around. Engineers are rarely concerned with profits and product management. They would rather deliver the most advanced tech regardless of actual market viability.
Maybe because I'm used to having older cars... the thought of buying a car and it not being fully correct and ready and waiting for an update to solve said shortcomings is an absurd thought. Even the worst automakers still at least finished their cars to a point where they were usable by the time the customer bought it? Weird times.
Its true.. one wonders is there too much use of software in electric cars anyway.. they should should have great "essential" software, and not much else ... nothing wrong with manual controls we are all used to using ..
There’s a difference between doing what Fisker did (releasing a car that’s in “beta”) and charging people for it versus releasing a fully functioning car and the pushing OTA improvements that can add another decade to the car in terms of features. But I agree, I’m a developer and sometimes bugs can slip through so it’s a little crazy (and in this case bugs can be deadly versus a site shutting down).
I dunno what magical time you're referring to but I'm pretty sure a jaunt down Recall lane disproves its existence ;p Cars have always had issues on release, Fisker just takes it to the extreme.
@@antoinkiely7972 Advanced software is not inherent to EVs; EVs are just newer and copying Tesla, which included a lot of modern tech into their cars (something the car industry has been decades behind on). And, no, they definitely don't have too much software. Other cars do not have enough. I have had almost no issues with my Tesla and the few I've had were very minor; far less than the avg car. What I do have is 100x more features, many of which I absolutely love; others I only like ;p And there was definitely a problem with the manual controls we were all using - there were way too many of them and they required looking away from the road. That's why Tesla moved the core controls to 2 contextual scroll-wheel buttons on the wheel, and to voice controls. Much safer, much cleaner.
@dardanm3544 That's probably my other gripe more generally. The average person doesn't want or need any of the "features" they keep touting with most modern cars in general, yet most carmakers are pushing these features anyway (both EV and ICE). Most of the features now don't even have anything to do with driving. Why does a modern car have video games or internet browsing built in now? That's why people are still buying Toyota 4Runners which has been in production since 2010 mostly unchanged, even at insane markups, because it's simple, reliable, and doesn't require people to search google on how to use X, Y and Z. Even the Mitsubishi Mirage, plenty of people buy those because they are simple transportation. That's what's disappeared over the past decade is simple, distraction-free, not-tied-to-some-server-farm-owned-by-XYZ-carmaker transportation. And evidently, a lot of people have been driving their cars for more than a decade and survived without software updates, since the average age of cars on the road is 12.5 years, and I'm sure plenty a lot older than that.
00:12 Fisker Ocean 2.0 improves software 01:57 Original Fisker Ocean had issues with software updates 03:47 Fisker Ocean 2.0 features improved design and functionality 05:32 Fisker Ocean 2.0 has boot-up delay and seatbelt dependency for driving 07:20 Solar roof energy generation and driving experience improvements 09:14 Issues with regen and drive modes need improvement. 11:00 Fisker Ocean 2.0 software issues need improvement 12:48 Real improvements seen in the Fisker Ocean 2.0 Thanks Markes. Just keep on doing what you do best than others: reviewing with objectivity not being subjective. Your honest are realistic approach on any product is our treasure.
Thanks Marques for doing another review of the Ocean w/ OceanOS 2.0. It’s amazing that you re-reviewed a vehicle again and it’s not even long term. Thanks for doing that. BTW, always love your videos. I own an Ocean One and managed to get 2.0 OTA without any technician visit and I’d have to say I must be one of the lucky ones as mine has dramatically improved. Other than the random every three days getting the charger port door is open, I’m loving the ride. Very disappointed on the outcome of the company but I’d say there’s so much potential given that other car companies took years to get to a better place. With that said, I’d say you were very fair in your second assessment. Props.
With the company about to go bankrupt, do you still intend to keep the car and if so, how would you go about servicing/maintaining/updating the car? A genuine question
Shame that this company ran out of cash and released the product prematurely. It could have been a great vehicle, but it needed another 6-12 months of testing and refinement before product release.
December 2011, Fisker Automotive recalled the first 239 Karmas delivered to the U.S. due to a risk of battery fire caused by coolant leak. Of the 239 cars, less than fifty had been delivered to customers, the rest were in dealerships. In the report filed by Fisker Automotive with the NHTSA, the carmaker said some hose clamps were not properly positioned, which could allow a coolant leak and an electrical short could possibly occur if coolant enters the battery compartment, causing a thermal event within the battery, including a possible fire. In May 2012 a Fisker Karma was involved in a home fire that also burnt two other cars in Fort Bend County, Texas. The chief fire investigator said the Karma was the origin of the fire that spread to the house, but the exact cause is still unknown
@@OnceHopefuLmoron, Fisker has brought these cars to the market more than once. The companies failed for a range of reasons including lawsuits from Telsa that bankrupted them previously
I've had my Ocean One since December. It came with software ver 1.10, which got updated to 1.11 a few weeks later and then 2.0 was pushed last week. Both updates were OTA and didn't require any tech to visit/install. Is the software complete? No. Is it better than the older version? Absolutely. The car drives and handles really well and it shows in the build quality. As a One owner, I am realistic about the murky future of this company and have mentally prepared myself for this car possibly turning into an expensive brick at some point in the future. All I can hope is that they are around long enough to push the next few set of updates to make this a more "complete" car. My biggest concern is with lack of support if the company goes under and there are no service or repair options in case of a fender-bender or a cracked windshield. So while I love my Ocean and think it could become a great car someday if the company survives long enough, I can't recommend anyone to buy this car until the company's future is clearer.
If anything keep it as a collectors edition if the company goes belly up. You will eventually get more than what you paid for it. Or atleast your kids or grandkids will, lol
I work in an automotive company, and work with people that are testing the car's software. The issues you are experiencing are issues that are present on the earliest softwares of the system, and in my company we don't release the car or deploy the software until the issues are corrected or are harmless enough for the custom not to be bothered. What Fisker has done would be absolutely unacceptable for my company's standard, and should be unacceptable in general for the automotive industry
Once, back in the 80’s, my dad (a black man) opted to go to jail during a traffic stop rather than reach under his seat where he’d temporarily stashed his wallet/ID…of all the decisions he’d made that night, it was prolly the best one. I pray nobody decides to use the under-seat storage for standard glove-compartment fare…hopefully that half-visor is stronger than it looks and can pick up some of the slack for handling routine traffic stops 🤷🏻♀️
In fairness to Fisker, the parking brake feature is more common than you'd think. From personal experience, Toyotas and Hyundais with automatic parking brakes will not disengage them automatically without your seat belt being on, as is the case with other cars I would imagine. On those models, you can override it by manually pushing the parking brake button. I do not know if Fisker included such a button.
The Nissan Rogue works the same way, or at least the 2018 did. AFAIK, it is a safety feature to avoid rollaways. Tesla doesn't do this, but they compensate by being super picky about the seat sensor if the belt isn't engaged.
The auto e-brake not disengaging when the seatbelt isn't connected is a feature. You can still manually disengage the e-brake, but it doesn't do it automatically if you're not wearing your seltbelt. It's a thing in my Toyota as well
Yeah it seems like a pretty reasonable safety feature honestly. So if you're just sitting in the car getting situated or grabbing stuff before you get out and you accidentally hit the brake pedal the car doesn't start rolling down a hill or something.
Yes and some people don't want to put on seatbelts. Small details like this may nudge them to do it a few more times than they would have otherwise. My old diesel will start screaming at me if I drive more than 20 meters without the belt engaged. This is a useful feature that more cars should have.
I can relate to the long bootup -- I put a wireless carplay adapter in my B9 A4 -- and it sometimes takes about a minute to connect. But there's also an occasional Audi MMI bug where the car gets confused after ignition and that sometimes means the rear view camera doesn't come on when you put it in reverse. And a pre-existing carplay bug where it just won't play a track/station/song -- across all apps -- I think it's related to Apple's "now playing" feature, but I've put up with it for years. However, sometimes the "fix" is just to change channel or track -- but sometimes you have to do an MMI full reset -- so it takes a minute too.
For those who are willing to roll the dice, Fisker cut the price on all models of the Ocean as of March 29 Model - Old MSRP - New MSRP - Difference Ocean Sport $38,999 $24,999 -$14,000 Ocean Ultra $52,999 $34,999 -$18,000 Ocean Extreme $61,499 $37,499 -$24,000
@@snehilsharma5827 Isnt that every startup's strategy? Rivian and Lucid still lose tens of thousands for every car. you eventually profit, but never off the first 10k vehicles
There is no way they will survive at a $25 K price point for an electric car, and this will be hell to maintain when there are no parts for it. Just wait for the used model to fall to $10 K or less, if you want to gamble
Crazy times we live in, I thought I escaped day 1 updates when I stopped gaming. But now we have the automotive industry using the "it'll be in an update" excuse.
I received my 2.0 OS via an OTA (over the air) update. I even asked a service tech before if they were planning to send someone over but they mentioned there was no need since it was being rolled out OTA. There’s a new setting to toggle through for the boot up 24hr, 10 minutes, etc. to get around the seatbelt issue, you’ll have to press on the Parking button on the left near the light switches.
Just curious, what were you thinking? Like literally? If you've gotten the car for free, sure. Did you really, use your brain when buying? Or just jump on the hype train?
I preordered the car back in 2022 & it had all of the looks & features I wanted in my first electric car. I wanted to go with the Rivian but decided on the Fisker based off of their promises (magna build, 360 range, etc.). Surprisingly, my car hasn’t had major issues but the major issue now is the support from Fisker (service, parts, etc.) this is my second car & 4th available vehicle in my house. Wanted to make sure to call out that I’m not invalidating anyone else’s issues because for those owners, their experience sounded horrible (battery, loss of power, hoods flying mid drive, etc.)
@@crimsonstyles Got it, just a brand without any pedigree. Even if I were buying a bicycle from them I would still be careful, not to mention a car. It's good to know you're problem free! Maybe MB got literally a lemon lol.
Ive had my Fisker Ocean One since Oct 2023. White on white like the one in this video. I love mine! I've never had issues with California mode or windows not working. The only issues ive had are the key fob not working on the 1st try and my vent clicks which is getting replaced soon. Yeah, software is a bit laggy sometimes, but i prefer driving this over my Lexus RX 450h FSport or either of my GT/Roush Mustangs. Btw, you can take the parking brake off by pushing the ((P)) button on the dash without your seatbelt on. It just beeps like any other car without your seatbelt.
I think the biggest issue for people is if the company is going under; Might be a great car but if there is no one to service the car, thats a huge deal breaker.
My wife and I have a Lexus rx450h and an NX. The one thing stopping either of us from alot of EV options we've looked at is the severe (in our/my opinion) drop in interior quality due to cost-cutting measures in EV's most often landing in that department. Just can't imagine being actively annoyed with many otherwise small aspects of a vehicle I drive every day.
Vinfast had made actual hardware changes in addition to software fixes (not sure if it was a direct response to Donut Media, but I think their feedback was taken into consideration). The updated VF8 got decent reviews over the first version.
The Ioniq 5 does the same thing with the seatbelt and not being able to drive the car, though it's seemingly at random. Also, my 2011 Toyota Prius disengaged the regenerative braking whenever you went over a bump when braking.
other than the risk of not getting critical software updates and charging stuff I think the car looks quite good, interior good, that landscape turning was great, if it works well with basics its great buy esp give then price decrease. I think M is simply too biased on them since they werent nice to him. You could easily do a quite nice review also these reviews just give only a a decent first impressions only
The car actually is awesome. I have one with more than 9000 miles on it now. Brownlee is doing another hit piece on Fisker with this video. Check this out. th-cam.com/video/JeQt3fVj3-A/w-d-xo.htmlsi=EBot0n-U2oEXx8xX
I don't think he is bias... Is it safe to drive a car with a bunch of software issues? What happens when it glitches while driving 70 or 80m/h? @@CHAITHANYAkitta
I'm not sure I want a car to block driving if the seatbelt is not being used not because I don't want to use it but what if some sensor breaks and the car stops detecting the belt being plugged thus preventing the user from moving?
In all genuinity, i would love to own this car with all its flaws. lovely color, plush soft interior, looks so good. Software issues sure can be sorted out in coming months.
Okay, firstly. I'm very happy they were willing to work with you again to show the issues were mostly resolved via an update. But as I sat here watching, it dawned on me; how far off in the future would the AF channel becomes a patch notes review channel for these EVs? Because thats what they're basically making you do here. Isn't that what beta testing teams are for? Why must a well known car enthusiast on YT be subjected to public scrutiny regarding stock prices and other bogus claims(ugh, that got me so crossed). Why are they having these issues in the first place? Hey we fixed the walking up to the door bug... ready to review patch notes 2.1? You get my point, right?
@GHOSTSTARSCREAMM Did you miss how fucking pissed they were about his first video? It would have been entirely unsurprising if they simply ignored and blacklisted him out of anger
Where do you get your info from? I’ve had my Ocean since Oct 4 and it’s been updated to 1.10, 1.11, and 2.0 all were OTA. THERE WAS NEVER A TIME WHEN A TECH NEEDED TO COME AND INSTALL SOFTWARE…NEVER!
Seatbelt safety seems like a feature that should be called out . The software is holding it back. Hardware the car does look pretty good. I think the follow up was a good idea. They should have maybe waited a little longer to release the car. Remember Top Gear and the original Tesla Roadster.
This is a very bad feature, yea, I get it, but stuff happens, the sensor on the belt could break, it could be an emergency, the belt could be damaged. Car still needs to drive, belt or no belt. This will inevitably lead to the car getting towed more than once, when it breaks, but the car is perfectly drivable otherwise.
I like the seatbelt thing, tbh. I've said it once and will say it again and again: that should be done more, not less. It is concerning the amount of accidents that have turned fatal because the driver wasn't wearing the seatbelt where I live
It was the same story with Henrik Fiskers last car project, the Fisker Karma. The car was beautiful, but unreliable. And the company closed down within a year. When i saw the news about the Fisker Ocean I was very tempted to order one, because the price here in Denmark was really attractive. But knowing that Henrik Fisker was the man behind it, I didnt do it. The Ocean was delayed again and again, but then they proudly annonced that they had delivered it to their first customer. It turned out that their first "customer" was actually a co-founder of Fisker. And regular customers had to wait a few months further... Even though Henrik is from Denmark, just like me, and he has designed nice cars for BMW, Ford, and Aston Martin. I will never trust a thing that man is behind
So something I just thought of with the solar roof. It says it didn't add much, but did it help offset any of the normal drainage from sitting around? So maybe the total added is actually greater than just the added range when you take into account the range other EVs would lose just by sitting around.
The thing you said in the end is the most important. If the company is going to cease to exist, nothing else matters. Who in their right mind would spend $50K+ on a car from a company that won’t be around to support it?
We have four Ocean's on Munich plates sitting for weeks seemingly abandoned on one spot in the forest, in the outskirts of Berlin. Every time I drive by, I wonder what happened to them.
I just sold mine last Thursday. I really liked driving it and it was well built, but didn’t want to stick around with the uncertainty. And by uncertainty i mean Fisker throwing a Hail Mary trying to get investors despite not being able to provide trustworthy financials because they literally lost $ 150M of customer payments. THAT uncertainty. I was never able to get updates but I had a hardware issue that caused other oddities. Those issues seemed unique from other owners. It was eventually fixed in late Feb (I got it in Oct) What pissed me off was the complete runaround. Everyone said it was escalated in my weekly calls to the company, trying hard not to sound scripted. Not once was I able to talk to anyone at a higher level. The ones who provided a number kept leaving. Maybe a coincidence, but it wasn’t until I started speaking up on socials did they come out. So that’s similar to what was said about coming out to update. I signed up knowing there were risks and growing pains, but didn’t sign up for hospice care. Hoping the best for all those who stuck it out, some good people in the FB groups.
@@cb86258 As a guy who is still driving the only new car I ever bought , from way back in 1994, I would Absolutely take one of these for free! problems aside, its a new car with latest tech ,massive power vs my old ride.. heck yeah, I could overlook some issues becuz ive lived a Long time with a car thats had mega issues...the ones mentioned here wouldnt even make a ripple in my coffee.
@@cb86258 new tech, new things there is always first products from a company, I mean someone gotta try them, tbh I would I think if they keep going and fix things they could get far, they have nice design and hardware
I hope Fisker can pull out of this! quality comp is what this industry needs! It looks decent! As far as MKBHD concern, could be a software toggle. Such a half baked review and I hate it for Fisker..
I agree ... yes fisker did release a car with some software bugs... so they did leave a door open to criticism there.... but the level of negatively and half baked (on purpose?) commentary they received has blown away the door, the hinges and everything..
@@antoinkiely7972 It feels orchestrated almost. I mean Marques seemed upset about the things that they did fix. It's as if it didn't matter what they did. Nothing in his eyes mattered. It was all about the views. Screw all of those people who might be losing their jobs, because I need views... Pathetic. Doug even made a comment about how he didn't agree with MKBHD. LOL I trust the guy who east sleeps and breathes cars, over Marques; a guy who makes "tech" videos but who's about as knowledgable about tech as the average consumer.
I don’t believe BYD is available in the US, however there are plenty of very positive reviews for the Atto 3, Dolphin and Seal on Uk and Australian channels.
I love my Fisker Ocean Ultra, I’ve had minimal issues (small minor annoyances and alerts) in almost 3 months of ownership. I’ve been on full 2.0 over a month. I really hope fisker stays in business or a large manufacturer buys the company after BK and continues to rollout the software and service and warranty these beautiful vehicles. Thx for the video review redo MK, but u continue to get details wrong tho. I received 1.11 and 2.0 via OTA. So OTA is possible but there were about 500 oceans that needed to have 2.0 manually installed by a tech.
@@bielmelichartes2167 I understand that the Fisker fans on YT can be annoying, but why attempt kick the car owners that actually love their purchases and have shown no animosity towards reviewers?
There is a video out by the guy who loaned his Fisker to MKBHD and in that video Fisker is on the phone with the guy and it is painfully clear that a technician (Senior Tech or something) had to come out and update his vehicle with 2.0. Fisker was not pleased with the review or with MKBHD. I'd link the video but I'm lazy and don't care enough.
I should mention that the 2.0 software does not require a technician to go out to you unless you're in a car that has specific issues related to OTA. Successful updates with 2.0 happen OTA. My car updated over the air. Key fob works every time for me, which it did not use to. I guess Fisker's work needs to focus on the experience differences between their cars. Overall a good car.
I imagine there are a lot of different versions of hardware components in these early cars. I suspect a larger OEM was have scrapped a lot of hardware that ended up being used in production vehicles where it should not have been.
This man is by far one of the most overrated and and least knowledgeable TH-camrs in the car review world. It’s embarrassing how much he gets wrong in every video.
@@doom453 I subscribe to MKBHD’s TH-cam channels and enjoy his content. But i don’t think his car reviews are great, especially compared to others on TH-cam. He needs to realize how important it is that he gets all the details right in his car reviews bc of the influence he holds.
Seatbelt and handbrake work together on Mazda CX-30 also. So it`s a feature. Handbrake will automatically disengage only if you have seatbelt on. Without seatbelt you need to manually disengage.
I guess I was one of the lucky ones who got the 2.0 update via OTC and without a Tech visit. I had my Ocean for 3 months now and I can agree with most of the reviews specifically about the key fob and lack of support and service. My car was delivered dirty and scratched and I am still waiting for them to fix the scratches. It is a fun, solid car to drive now that many of the software bugs are fixed but not all. If (big if) they survive, I also would not recommend it until they develop a solid service and support system for car owners.
I checked out the Ocean and inside felt it was a little too small. I didn't drive it but the materials felt nice. I did this while owning a 2021 ID.4. That car was my worst car experience. It had a lot of the same issues you found with the Ocean but with a much larger and mature car company. So I can't fully knock Fisker for those same issues in my mind at least. I looked for your review of an ID.4 to see if you reviewed an early model and didn't see one. Supposedly the newer models are much better so it would be a interesting car for you to review and compare to all the other cars in the segment. With the ID.4 we had issues with the software and not over the air updating too. - It took 23 months and 29k miles before they were able to get it in to update it at a dealership to have the updated software and over the air capabilities. - Mine had some sort of sensor issue where it would give me warnings about drive aids not working and to see a dealership. But then they would go away after a few minutes. Multiple times my dealer just tells me there's nothing wrong. These warnings would come up on clear sunny days when the car was clean so nothing was blocking the sensors. - The tires installed from the manufacture were crap, possibly faulty. They came with 20" Bridgestones and they would wear way quicker then any other EV. I had to replace them at 18k miles and that's with literal chunks or rubber coming off the tires and the tread close to being too far worn. Other people only got 12k miles out of the tires. Yet people with Teslas and other EVs are getting 30k plus miles on the tires. VW did nothing about this. I replaced them with Pirellis and for the 10k miles I had the car for after that they barely wore compared to the 18k miles with the Bridgestones. - It didn't have a great regen or hold either and it mostly was updated with the software update. - My car had remote issues too. The passenger doors never unlocked on the first try. Most times it took 6 plus pushes before they finally unlocked. They had a recall for door locks and claimed they fixed it but mine never fixed and it still didn't work. - Speaking of recalls, in a little over 2 years there were 5 recalls requiring me to go to a dealer and drop it off with no curtesy car. So that's days I had to take off of work or work around driving to my nearest dealership, 45 minutes away each way to deal with this. In the end it was a shame because the car drove and handled pretty good, after the tire replacement. But I got rid of it as soon as I could and life couldn't be happier.
The Ultra version doesn't have the taco tray - so more room in the console - and doesn't have the roof solar panels. I like the glass roof better. Thanks for getting Fisker's attention - I hope they are able to fix everything even if in Chapter 11.
I wonder if they could/would open course the software before going out of business. If they did, one could imagine a storied second life where the community, giddy at the prospect, quickly fixes all the issues and then some and the car becomes a rare, first of it's kind hit. One can dream. I'm sure Fisker owners looking at resale value can dream as well.
I thought that too, but I suspect the NHTSA would have something to say about cars zipping along the road governed by software downloaded off a 13 year old's Github. Still, if the regulators can be persuaded to verify the software then why not? I don't think Fisker will be selling their IP for much, given the state of the software right now!
@@ye73812Yeah, unregulated software running around the street doesn't sound like the best idea. But isn't it basically the same thing with people running conventional cars with modded engines and internals?
I work in Software (ERP systems, CRM, Finance and Supply Chain Management) for mid to enterprise-sized companies, and the most IMPORTANT thing for every one is this: Trust. 1. Trust that you know what you're doing, 2. Trust that you'll be working side by side with that company during discover, implementation and 3. Trust that you'll be around to stave off problems, and solve them as they occur, down the line, for the years to come. This uncertainty is a death knoll for the brand Fisker, and as it's happend before, I was not surprised that it is recurring.
Am confused is having a tray instead of an actual glove box supposed to be the cheaper option or what's going on there😅I still find it incredibly weird it still doesn't have glove box
Ocean One owner here, and received my 2.0 update OTA, not sure what the "send someone to every car" comment was about. All in all its treated me VERY well. I am aware of the wild inconstancies of experience so far and they def need to tighten that up before its too late (if not already). This 2.0 doesnt fix all, but it proves that things are fixable if the company can hang around long enough to do so.
@@kaaworii Thanks i guess? IDGAF about fisker or tesla or this dude or you. I like the car and HOPE the company doesnt shit the bed (which they are actively doing) im not getting into any fanboy shit on the internet cause i have adult responsibilities.. but unfortunately this guys opinion holds weight for some reason and the rats just follow. whatev, you do you though bra
Stock is down 99.77%, I think the market cap is around $13m, so no, they won't be around, but you can bet the CEO cashed out and bought a mansion or two. Anyway, you still have a decent EV, and there might be aftermarket warranties you could look into
Well it’s because Fisker called the owner of Fisker, which Marques reviewed previously and told him they are sending “senior engineer” there is a video of the call on TH-cam.
The Mercedes Sprinter and Ram Promaster I have driven will not automatically disengage the parking brake if the seatbelt is unbuckled. It’s a safety feature.
I'm not sure about the hangup with the seatbelt feature. There are so many people who drive or ride without seatbelts, which increases the fatality rate not for just you but for other passengers. Is it annoying? probably, but for me, literally every time I sit in a car I'd have to stop myself from putting on the seatbelt since it's so automatic.
It's not a huge deal but there are edge cases where it's useful to be able to drive without a seatbelt, including low speed manoeuvring for eg swapping cars around in a driveway or garage (something Marques is likely to do a lot more given all the car reviews). Plus, the people who choose to drive without a seatbelt are actively avoiding or bypassing those features, and those of us who use one routinely don't require the reminder anyway as you said.
At least Fisker don't say that they're selling fully self-driving cars. Credit where credit's due. ;-) As to OTA (over the air software updates), I'm getting mine OTG (on the ground) in a couple of weeks, even though it was supposed to update OTA, and I have a VW ID5.
Depends on the outcome. Give them a couple years and they will prob cease to exist. The first Fisker company doesn't exist any more. This is the dude's second car company named Fisker in 15 years. No way I would buy one just based on that.
@@heiner71 I wouldn't buy any electric car now. They are experimental vehicles at the time being. When I can get 400-500 miles on a charge (in any weather), cost the same as gasoline cars, battery replacement cost is reasonable, and won't set my house on fire, I will consider them.
For now. It could still go completely bust, unless someone bails it out. If you have seen the current EV marketplace, these things seem to have reached market saturation, at least at the current prices. Unless the world really needs 23 EV manufacturers, some of these things will fold for good, and this is a very likely candidate to be the next EV-1
@femaledeer EVs rarely catch fire compared to gasoline cars. There is a lot of confusion around this as sometimes electric bikes and scooters are included in the statistics and they do catch fire at alarming rates. Electric cars are very safe 👌
Received 2.0 about a month ago, thank you very much. Only very early models needed a tech for software updates (majority of Oceans receive OTA updates just fine). I really don’t think you gave the good attributes enough credit (best in class range, experiencing California mode on a nice day, driving quality/ performance). From strictly a product perspective, it’s above average
I didn't buy the car as an investment; I bought it to enjoy as a daily driver for several years. Breaking news, a ton of EVs including Tesla and Porshe Taycan lose a shit load of resale value... c'est la vie @@myopiniondoesntmatterbut4826
@autofocus our EV (MG ZS EV) does the seat belt thing and is totally a feature, many don't like i think its good and stops people driving without their seat belt on, yeah for moving car on driveway or carparks its a bit annoying but really not an issue in the long term. Great channel BTW love the content, thanks
For those willing to take a gamble at a low proce; fisker has built over 10k and delivered 4700 units. This is enough to support a dedicated user community for replacement parts and shared community support. Look at the "Classic" Rav4-EV; 1997-2003;Toyota built only about 2500 units, some still on the road today, thanks to owners who love them and the deep well of knowledge they developed through the years to keep them rolling.
there is some truth there...we do live in the information age, generally anything can be ordered from anywhere online these days... and information sharing has never been so easy..
6:22 I drive a Toyota Highlander and the parking break will not come off if you take your seatbelt off when the car is in drive. Literally LAST NIGHT I took off my seatbelt at a stop light to grab something and the light turned green. I hit the gas and nothing. I hit the parking brake button and a notification popped up saying to put my seatbelt on. I was really confused and annoyed. A feature but obnoxious.
"The old cars had a bug where they couldn't receive software updates over the air. So unfortunately they're rolling out the .0 update in stages by sending technicians around to cars to update them. But that's fixed with 2.0"
Source: The Fisker employee in the parking lot while dropping off the car
Jeez. They just keep digging their own graves.
Maybe it was an issue on one of the first OS. Not on the later ones. All those little mistakes make your Fisker Videos really the worst quality car Reviews. See instead a real driver an car expert (also on German Autobahn) th-cam.com/video/HPI_lnqDiqE/w-d-xo.html
@@puchmercedesg5568 "maybe it's not a widespread issue" is not a refutation of the original video.
@@puchmercedesg5568 lol... you might wanna translate "WERBEVIDEO" as well.
That's bad comms on Fisker's part for sure. Either the employee was mistaken, or perhaps they were talking about the very earliest Oceans (the One model, a small minority of the inventory Fisker has today). Might be worth updating this pin to clarify that this is not actually true for most Oceans, at least according to the testimony of the comments in this thread and on Reddit (where many folks are getting OTA 2.0)
_"Fisker had to send a technician out to each and every one of these cars to manually..."_
Wow. That must've taken the guy all week!
Ouch
And he Will keep spring that for awhile.
Surprisingly, there are quite a few by me. Even going back 6 months.
He may even have to work half days somedays
That was an untrue statement
Hold on officer, let me reach under my seat to retrieve my paperwork because this vehicle doesn’t have a glovebox.
pulls out gun from holster: woah woah woah easy there partner...
if you are a minority.. do you get that chance to .. "woah woah woah".@@XlxKeViinxlX
Boom. You re dead!
" officer safery"
easier to reach under the seat you are sitting in that across the entire car to open a compartment. just because it has been done one way in the past does not make it right..
Jsch... no, it's actually another safety issue with the car. Gloveboxes are designed to be accessable while the driver keeps eyes on the road, and so a peace officer can see the drivers hands when accessing it. Fumbling around under your seat instead is NOT an improvement
"Sell a broken product and fix it later ... maybe"
Cars have reached videogame levels
maybe it can be added later as DLC?
Feature lootboxes are coming to the auro industry soon.
It's a shame that this company died due to bad software. Hopefully other companies will take notice of how important the UI/UX is for _all_ modern technologies, and not just adopt the "We'll fix it later" mentality; the first impression is the *ONLY* impression.
Fisker is not dying because of their software. It’s dying because Fisker never set up a proper delivery network in the US and support system for their vehicles. Crappy software can easily be improved but not delivery and customer/technician support.
UI/UX is important but proper dev pipeline and product management can always provide a path forward.
You 100% can start with a basic UI/UX (very common) that isn’t perfect and evolve over time without losing users, and in fact having them love the product (and company) more over time.
There are likely many other reasons it died, like cash flow, vision, management, engineering, etc…
Laughable little mirrors and non-existent glove boxes are not software though.
They could have made a "dumb" cars with physical controls instead of going the expensive software route.
The company is 0:01 dying again just like Henrik Fiskar's first company because he does not know how to set up and properly manage a company. None of the critical operational stuff was set up properly from the beginning, as evidenced by the fact that they couldn't even collect car payments properly which is unheard of in the car business.
Fisker took a risk and sent MK to review the car again. I applaud them for that
I agreed
Kind of foolish to send a review car without ensuring that every criticism had been addressed...
@@TopGunZero While i agree in premise, i dont think Fisker was in a position to wait any longer. This may have been their "Hail Mary" and like most Hail Mary's, pass was incomplete.
There is zero risk. There is only bankruptcy or bankruptcy plus takeover by a competitor at this point.
@@GeorgeSkibo If that was the case, I would have issued him release/design notes with roadmap for what they can fix and when it'll be fixed by.
The day this video came out, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has opened a third investigation against Fisker’s Ocean SUV for doors that won’t open.
Owning a Tesla model S this has happened to mine and basically every other model S owner. Never recalled or fixed for free.
In the next software update there will be a Door Delete option , doors pop off and you will get thumbs up from jeep wrangler owners as you drive down the road....🤣🤣😂
Tesla model Y has 17 Recalls, 6 investigations by NHTSA and 600+ complaints. And Tesla is hard on software engineering 😂
Tesla Stock is too big to fail. Everyone who has some fund has Tesla Apple Google shares, even in some Emerging Markets Africa fund. So Tesla price is save, if there is no robotaxi this year, cars have panel gaps, or their uhm let's say „next boss“ is a near fascist, conspiracy weirdo…
I know, and Tesla had like hundreds of investigations into their cars For various reasons. This is just a doorhandle issue that affected 14 people
I'm a heartbroken Fisker Ocean Extreme owner and I agree with almost everything in this review. I also mostly agree with the previous one and I really don't want to. Also if Marques had spent more time with the car he would have found so many more UX issues.
1. My Ocean Extreme did receive its 2.0 Update over the air. It required me to manually accept it and consciously unplug and lock the vehicle while it updated.
Note: A Fisker engineer did come to look at it after the update for other issues I'd reported. IIRC there was also conversation about updating the key fob...
2. You can manually push the button on the left side of the steering wheel to turn the parking brake off even if your seatbelt is not on
⚠ - If you are stopped at a light and you shift too much in your seat, the car shifts into P and unlocks the doors.
⚠ - If you open the driver side door it shifts into park and unlock the other doors.
3. Bluetooth/Audio still has reliability bugs.
4. I still lose 4G connection for multiple hours in a downtown area. When I do, both clocks on the vehicle's screen get out of sync and are both wrong (minutes are always accurate though.🤔)
⚠ - What happens to the 4G connection if Fisker goes out of business?
5. It now supports multiple profiles but the profiles in the car don't seem to store much besides A/C settings 😞
6. Spending engineering resources on a screen that only rotates when I'm in park and on fancy things like California mode was not the best move considering the state of the core experiences in the car's software.
7. I did get locked in the car multiple times as did my wife. Hasn't happened since 2.0 update
I've said it before, the single most concerning thing for me was the promise of a "2.0" update to fix all the problems. Who even cares about version numbers today? How many folks know what version number of Chrome they are running? Nobody even notices when Chrome updates. IMHO celebrating numeric releases of software today is an anti-pattern. Continuous delivery, feature-flighting, A/B experimentation, these are not things you can easily build in after the fact. Shipping without all of them was a mistake and has impacted their engineering agility.
I'm a software guy at heart so I'm biased but I think one of the best moves Fisker could make would be to create a non-profit foundation to own and drive forward their vehicle OS stack by making it open source and leveraging the community of enthusiasts. Take 24 vehicles and give 2 a month to community voted top contributors over the next year. This would also bolster confidence for new buyers in the event of dissolution. If the Ocean could become an autonomous vehicle dev kit for companies like Wayve and it's competitors perhaps they could even move more inventory.
Nah a real owner was not going to agreed to his review. This dude is a real owner and he give a real explanation of almost everything. th-cam.com/video/XVHZVhxOCDw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Y81zVFWuBlZ74Izp
I can't believe you're a software guy and you tested and bought that car
I disagree with the open source comment, this would allow people to mess with the safety of the car in non-test situations. We are all aware that bugs can and will happen and as much as the community could do good, the risk Fisker takes letting anyone test out the bugs anywhere would be way too high. Also imagine if this allows bad actors to gain knowledge on how to steal these cars
I see Fisker Karma around Oslo so they are still OK and reliable. This gives hope that this model also will be supported for over decade at least
@@jean-lucsedits4319your car is already running open source software.
'California Mode' has worked since day 1 on my 2006 Saab 9-3. This is not even a new feature. Since I'm still driving my 2006 Saab and have over 214k miles it feels like I now have this new California Mode feature. Yay!
Works on my 2012 Honda Accord too. Amazing new modern feature
Worked just fine on my 2003 golf mk iv.
Pretty sure it worked the same on my dad’s 1998 golf mk iv
Such impressive technology in 2024!
Worked on my 1996 Golf GTi
Worked on my 1812 Overture in Ž Müjor by Pyredyrick Ilyastian Mozarchvsky
It’s been on VW for almost two decades too, but most key fobs have to be programmed to do so.
Great review! Decided to gamble a little and bought 1500 shares of Fisker. Am now a proud owner of $30 worth of Fisker stocks!
Should have made a donation instead.
@@femaledeer He made a donation to the Fisker shorts.
I have more than that and my losses are like 10000x what you even spent 😢
Don't forget the trading fees.
I started shorting Fisker in 2021 when it was around $23. It almost instantly shot up to like $28 on some rumor that Apple was considering them to partner with for the Apple car. I closed my short for a good 20% loss. Now here we are and Fisker is basically worthless. Lol
I like the 10 second silence at the start.
"Are we doing this? ... Yep , I guess we're doing this."
"We should have shotguns for this job" th-cam.com/video/lh-dVYGwJB0/w-d-xo.html
hahaha was checking my volume control to see if i was in mute
@@hungryalien me too
I legit thought my sound was messed up on my PC lol... Like no noise... period.
Ah software problems
I feel so bad for the employees of this company like the engineers who actually made a some good aspects of the car but cant see their work come to fruition
I test drove an Ocean in the UK a couple of weeks ago, I really like the car and this was after your original review. I didn’t experience the issues highlighted, but whilst the sales guy was demonstrating the swivel screen, it crashed and got stuck in the super useful “diagonal blank screen” mode. They had to switch the car off then on again to reset, which it did. The main thing I didn’t like was the jittery ride which doesn’t expire confidence as the car doesn’t feel at all planted.
How many time will the screens spin until it needs a $1,500 repair?
I disagree with you, the jittery ride absolutely does expire confidence
Expire, lol
The company I work for makes hinges. When the owner started it, they messed up the design of a hinge, which made the cabinet door not close to the end. A disaster given that the company was selling pretty much internationally. The owner decided to own the mistake and sent out technicians to fix and replace all the hinges, almost bankrupting the company in the process. But it passed. And because of that experience, he vowed to focus on quality and design, aiming to be the best. Years later, the company is now the leading cabinet hardware and hinge manufacturer worldwide, known for its quality!
Good for Fisker for owning it and trying. Hoping it works out for them.
Your point is the Fisker business model is unhinged? Still repairable? I'm kidding but the EV market competition is going to have many failed businesses. I hope it works out for Fisker too. But, they got a product to market, which in itself is significant, imo. Lots of 'em didn't.
is your boss Jay Pritchett
The same happened with my condom company but we couldn't undo the mistake of the problematic condoms that easily.
Ok.
How calls the Company Brand?
THANK YOU. As customers we shouldn’t accept the “we will fix it later” argument. You took my money now. Give me a complete working product NOW.
It’s a shame because I actually love the way it looks and a lot of the features that are unique and make it stand out.
Unfortunately fisker seems to be another cautionary tale. They really did SO much right here. Solid looks, materials, and build quality. Unfortunately they really tried to over-deliver on the tech. If they had stopped at good looks and build quality, used android auto and CarPlay, and kept it affordable, they would have had a genuinely compelling product. But instead they messed with solar panels, custom software, and new safety features. It’s honestly such a shame and is a direct result of salespeople getting their way instead of engineers.
Yep. And as he was talking about how little the solar panels actually contributed... sheesh. All that tech and hardware for something that would make it very expensive to replace/repair if hail or a tree branch cracked the roof.
@@frankohashiguchi if you getting 1mile per day it's 365 miles per year not bad to get full tank of electricity for "free"
Salespeople have NOTHING to do with the features that go into the making of a car. This was executive-led "feature bloat" with nobody to tell him stop adding daydreaming the car out of viability.
@kluchakiller Until you realize a full tank of battery costs like $5 to $10. You're trying to get free $10 while at the same time risking repair bill in the thousands when rock flies from semi truck and cracks your solar panel..
From my experience, it’s other way around. Engineers are rarely concerned with profits and product management. They would rather deliver the most advanced tech regardless of actual market viability.
Maybe because I'm used to having older cars... the thought of buying a car and it not being fully correct and ready and waiting for an update to solve said shortcomings is an absurd thought. Even the worst automakers still at least finished their cars to a point where they were usable by the time the customer bought it? Weird times.
Its true.. one wonders is there too much use of software in electric cars anyway.. they should should have great "essential" software, and not much else ... nothing wrong with manual controls we are all used to using ..
There’s a difference between doing what Fisker did (releasing a car that’s in “beta”) and charging people for it versus releasing a fully functioning car and the pushing OTA improvements that can add another decade to the car in terms of features.
But I agree, I’m a developer and sometimes bugs can slip through so it’s a little crazy (and in this case bugs can be deadly versus a site shutting down).
I dunno what magical time you're referring to but I'm pretty sure a jaunt down Recall lane disproves its existence ;p Cars have always had issues on release, Fisker just takes it to the extreme.
@@antoinkiely7972 Advanced software is not inherent to EVs; EVs are just newer and copying Tesla, which included a lot of modern tech into their cars (something the car industry has been decades behind on). And, no, they definitely don't have too much software. Other cars do not have enough. I have had almost no issues with my Tesla and the few I've had were very minor; far less than the avg car. What I do have is 100x more features, many of which I absolutely love; others I only like ;p And there was definitely a problem with the manual controls we were all using - there were way too many of them and they required looking away from the road. That's why Tesla moved the core controls to 2 contextual scroll-wheel buttons on the wheel, and to voice controls. Much safer, much cleaner.
@dardanm3544 That's probably my other gripe more generally. The average person doesn't want or need any of the "features" they keep touting with most modern cars in general, yet most carmakers are pushing these features anyway (both EV and ICE). Most of the features now don't even have anything to do with driving. Why does a modern car have video games or internet browsing built in now? That's why people are still buying Toyota 4Runners which has been in production since 2010 mostly unchanged, even at insane markups, because it's simple, reliable, and doesn't require people to search google on how to use X, Y and Z. Even the Mitsubishi Mirage, plenty of people buy those because they are simple transportation. That's what's disappeared over the past decade is simple, distraction-free, not-tied-to-some-server-farm-owned-by-XYZ-carmaker transportation. And evidently, a lot of people have been driving their cars for more than a decade and survived without software updates, since the average age of cars on the road is 12.5 years, and I'm sure plenty a lot older than that.
00:12 Fisker Ocean 2.0 improves software
01:57 Original Fisker Ocean had issues with software updates
03:47 Fisker Ocean 2.0 features improved design and functionality
05:32 Fisker Ocean 2.0 has boot-up delay and seatbelt dependency for driving
07:20 Solar roof energy generation and driving experience improvements
09:14 Issues with regen and drive modes need improvement.
11:00 Fisker Ocean 2.0 software issues need improvement
12:48 Real improvements seen in the Fisker Ocean 2.0
Thanks Markes. Just keep on doing what you do best than others: reviewing with objectivity not being subjective. Your honest are realistic approach on any product is our treasure.
Thanks Marques for doing another review of the Ocean w/ OceanOS 2.0. It’s amazing that you re-reviewed a vehicle again and it’s not even long term. Thanks for doing that. BTW, always love your videos.
I own an Ocean One and managed to get 2.0 OTA without any technician visit and I’d have to say I must be one of the lucky ones as mine has dramatically improved. Other than the random every three days getting the charger port door is open, I’m loving the ride. Very disappointed on the outcome of the company but I’d say there’s so much potential given that other car companies took years to get to a better place. With that said, I’d say you were very fair in your second assessment.
Props.
With the company about to go bankrupt, do you still intend to keep the car and if so, how would you go about servicing/maintaining/updating the car? A genuine question
Fisker might be going out of business? I guess that's fisker's karma
🤣🤣 10/10 comment
Hats of to you sir. Well played. 🤝
💀😂great one
Rip 😅
Fisker has got big balls for sending another review unit. Kudos to them. Continuous improvement is the soul of any organisation.
What have they got to lose?
Shame that this company ran out of cash and released the product prematurely. It could have been a great vehicle, but it needed another 6-12 months of testing and refinement before product release.
Yeah, so now they have 2 bad reviews.
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December 2011, Fisker Automotive recalled the first 239 Karmas delivered to the U.S. due to a risk of battery fire caused by coolant leak. Of the 239 cars, less than fifty had been delivered to customers, the rest were in dealerships. In the report filed by Fisker Automotive with the NHTSA, the carmaker said some hose clamps were not properly positioned, which could allow a coolant leak and an electrical short could possibly occur if coolant enters the battery compartment, causing a thermal event within the battery, including a possible fire. In May 2012 a Fisker Karma was involved in a home fire that also burnt two other cars in Fort Bend County, Texas. The chief fire investigator said the Karma was the origin of the fire that spread to the house, but the exact cause is still unknown
Marques with the ultimate "tell me without telling me" opening. 🤣
"Is it still the worst car I've ever reviewed? Yes."
Finish him!
Fatality!!
MK wins
Stop it. He’s already dead!
Rip bro
Throw in the damn towel!!!!!
@@LuisSierra42 🤣😂🤣 Yes!
It's unfortunate that they couldn't get over the financial hurdle of a startup, b/c the car actually looks really friggin good.
the owner of fisker and his wife are both billionaires wym
Are you dumb?
This is not their first failed car.
What? Start up? The company was bought by some super rich.... the previous Fisker model was beautiful, the ocean is a chinese junk car.
@@OnceHopefuLmoron, Fisker has brought these cars to the market more than once. The companies failed for a range of reasons including lawsuits from Telsa that bankrupted them previously
This makes me so happy I still have my 2012 Scion. Such a simple car, almost no bells and whistles, and it just works.
I'm glad to see you are alive and not in any casts after hearing the call from the Senior Manager regarding you last review.
I've had my Ocean One since December. It came with software ver 1.10, which got updated to 1.11 a few weeks later and then 2.0 was pushed last week. Both updates were OTA and didn't require any tech to visit/install. Is the software complete? No. Is it better than the older version? Absolutely. The car drives and handles really well and it shows in the build quality.
As a One owner, I am realistic about the murky future of this company and have mentally prepared myself for this car possibly turning into an expensive brick at some point in the future. All I can hope is that they are around long enough to push the next few set of updates to make this a more "complete" car. My biggest concern is with lack of support if the company goes under and there are no service or repair options in case of a fender-bender or a cracked windshield. So while I love my Ocean and think it could become a great car someday if the company survives long enough, I can't recommend anyone to buy this car until the company's future is clearer.
fenders and windows easy to replicate...kids in china are making bumpers and fenders. i dont know if you have a good grasp of the auto world
hahaha, auto world riiight. I laughed pretty hard. Thank you for that. @@aimlessdrive8723
If anything keep it as a collectors edition if the company goes belly up. You will eventually get more than what you paid for it. Or atleast your kids or grandkids will, lol
No they won't, see Fisker Karma @@naplesflexplorer
Surprise surprise MKBHD gives more false info on the subject he’s supposed to be a trusted reviewer on…..
I work in an automotive company, and work with people that are testing the car's software. The issues you are experiencing are issues that are present on the earliest softwares of the system, and in my company we don't release the car or deploy the software until the issues are corrected or are harmless enough for the custom not to be bothered. What Fisker has done would be absolutely unacceptable for my company's standard, and should be unacceptable in general for the automotive industry
Stellantis or Renault?
@@privettolilucid 😉
@@privettoli Renault
I bet the engineers didn't want to release the car like this but management/board/shareholders pushed it through.
Once, back in the 80’s, my dad (a black man) opted to go to jail during a traffic stop rather than reach under his seat where he’d temporarily stashed his wallet/ID…of all the decisions he’d made that night, it was prolly the best one.
I pray nobody decides to use the under-seat storage for standard glove-compartment fare…hopefully that half-visor is stronger than it looks and can pick up some of the slack for handling routine traffic stops 🤷🏻♀️
Nice review!
Thank you for your transparency and not caving to conform to criticism
In fairness to Fisker, the parking brake feature is more common than you'd think. From personal experience, Toyotas and Hyundais with automatic parking brakes will not disengage them automatically without your seat belt being on, as is the case with other cars I would imagine. On those models, you can override it by manually pushing the parking brake button. I do not know if Fisker included such a button.
there's a P button where you can disengaged
Yup. MKBHD is just insanely CLUELESS about cars and is reviewing them like he knows what he’s talking about. And idiots trust him.
Indeed, pressing the Ocean's 'P' button releases the parking brake. You can move the car w/o a seat belt.
In 3.0 they will patch it so P gear workaround will be fixed, and you will have to put that damn seatbelt xD
The Nissan Rogue works the same way, or at least the 2018 did. AFAIK, it is a safety feature to avoid rollaways.
Tesla doesn't do this, but they compensate by being super picky about the seat sensor if the belt isn't engaged.
The auto e-brake not disengaging when the seatbelt isn't connected is a feature. You can still manually disengage the e-brake, but it doesn't do it automatically if you're not wearing your seltbelt.
It's a thing in my Toyota as well
Was a thing in my Alfa Romeo Giulia as well.
Functional Safety!
Yeah it seems like a pretty reasonable safety feature honestly. So if you're just sitting in the car getting situated or grabbing stuff before you get out and you accidentally hit the brake pedal the car doesn't start rolling down a hill or something.
The same in my Ford S-Max.
Yes and some people don't want to put on seatbelts. Small details like this may nudge them to do it a few more times than they would have otherwise. My old diesel will start screaming at me if I drive more than 20 meters without the belt engaged. This is a useful feature that more cars should have.
I can relate to the long bootup -- I put a wireless carplay adapter in my B9 A4 -- and it sometimes takes about a minute to connect. But there's also an occasional Audi MMI bug where the car gets confused after ignition and that sometimes means the rear view camera doesn't come on when you put it in reverse. And a pre-existing carplay bug where it just won't play a track/station/song -- across all apps -- I think it's related to Apple's "now playing" feature, but I've put up with it for years. However, sometimes the "fix" is just to change channel or track -- but sometimes you have to do an MMI full reset -- so it takes a minute too.
Best and most honest review, this guy saved a lot of people for purchasing a problem.
For those who are willing to roll the dice, Fisker cut the price on all models of the Ocean as of March 29
Model - Old MSRP - New MSRP - Difference
Ocean Sport $38,999 $24,999 -$14,000
Ocean Ultra $52,999 $34,999 -$18,000
Ocean Extreme $61,499 $37,499 -$24,000
Honestly if that is a strategy to sell the cars at a loss so that they can keep afloat, I don't have a lot of faith in the company.
There's an FOO with 1800 miles at a dealer close by for under 40K, never thought I would see that considering the FOO was not discounted by Fisker
Wait for the bottom and buy for its battery as DYI projects for off the grid.
@@snehilsharma5827 Isnt that every startup's strategy? Rivian and Lucid still lose tens of thousands for every car. you eventually profit, but never off the first 10k vehicles
There is no way they will survive at a $25 K price point for an electric car, and this will be hell to maintain when there are no parts for it. Just wait for the used model to fall to $10 K or less, if you want to gamble
Honey stop what you are doing. Mkbhd dropped 2.0 fisker video
🤣
Ahhhhhhhh
I woke up from a comma to watch this
Good one ill give you that😂
💯
The Fisker Ocean 1.0 was the first video of yours I viewed. I'm happy to see a 2.0 video.
Marcus, do you have on your schedule to review the Electric MINI SE? (The Mini Cooper company) Frank
Crazy times we live in, I thought I escaped day 1 updates when I stopped gaming. But now we have the automotive industry using the "it'll be in an update" excuse.
Yep, all thanks to Tesla ;)
@@SvikDK And EA
Last I checked, they don´t make cars ;) But I get yourt point
@@ye73812
"sir, your Pacemaker will receive an update ....in two weeks" 😂
@@SvikDKat least Tesla does updates flawlessly. I've gotten more features and updates for my Tesla in the last 12 months than I did for my phone
I received my 2.0 OS via an OTA (over the air) update. I even asked a service tech before if they were planning to send someone over but they mentioned there was no need since it was being rolled out OTA. There’s a new setting to toggle through for the boot up 24hr, 10 minutes, etc. to get around the seatbelt issue, you’ll have to press on the Parking button on the left near the light switches.
Just curious, what were you thinking? Like literally? If you've gotten the car for free, sure. Did you really, use your brain when buying? Or just jump on the hype train?
@@estehanioe877😂🤣
I preordered the car back in 2022 & it had all of the looks & features I wanted in my first electric car. I wanted to go with the Rivian but decided on the Fisker based off of their promises (magna build, 360 range, etc.). Surprisingly, my car hasn’t had major issues but the major issue now is the support from Fisker (service, parts, etc.) this is my second car & 4th available vehicle in my house. Wanted to make sure to call out that I’m not invalidating anyone else’s issues because for those owners, their experience sounded horrible (battery, loss of power, hoods flying mid drive, etc.)
@@estehanioe877 probably he didnt buy a tesla because he is not a uber driver and doesn't like garbage
@@crimsonstyles Got it, just a brand without any pedigree. Even if I were buying a bicycle from them I would still be careful, not to mention a car. It's good to know you're problem free! Maybe MB got literally a lemon lol.
Hi Marques, is there any possibility of seeing xiomi SU7 review on autofocus channel in near future?😅
Is there any chance you would review a Xiaomi SU7? I'm eager to see how good/bad it is.
Ive had my Fisker Ocean One since Oct 2023. White on white like the one in this video. I love mine! I've never had issues with California mode or windows not working. The only issues ive had are the key fob not working on the 1st try and my vent clicks which is getting replaced soon. Yeah, software is a bit laggy sometimes, but i prefer driving this over my Lexus RX 450h FSport or either of my GT/Roush Mustangs. Btw, you can take the parking brake off by pushing the ((P)) button on the dash without your seatbelt on. It just beeps like any other car without your seatbelt.
I think the biggest issue for people is if the company is going under; Might be a great car but if there is no one to service the car, thats a huge deal breaker.
Well, looks like you will own a Fisker for the rest of it's working days.
How much did yours depreciate?
Glad you like it, you're one of the only ones lol
My wife and I have a Lexus rx450h and an NX. The one thing stopping either of us from alot of EV options we've looked at is the severe (in our/my opinion) drop in interior quality due to cost-cutting measures in EV's most often landing in that department. Just can't imagine being actively annoyed with many otherwise small aspects of a vehicle I drive every day.
Saying he’d take the Vinfast VF8 over the Ocean is a HUGE blow to Fisker OOOPH
Vinfast had made actual hardware changes in addition to software fixes (not sure if it was a direct response to Donut Media, but I think their feedback was taken into consideration). The updated VF8 got decent reviews over the first version.
Yeah, because the Vinfast is actually awful. Makes me wonder how much time he spends with these cars.
@@AvocadoAtrocityBoth are awful but Vinfast has support from their government and will still be around 5 years from now.
@@AvocadoAtrocity Vinfast has working key fobs. Even with v2 update Fisker key fob is still unreliable.
Donut LOVED the VF8! lol
The Ioniq 5 does the same thing with the seatbelt and not being able to drive the car, though it's seemingly at random. Also, my 2011 Toyota Prius disengaged the regenerative braking whenever you went over a bump when braking.
Hey Marques, it would be nice to hear your thoughts about Nio. The company has several models with really interesting features.
i really want this car to be good, I genuinely think the design is sick
other than the risk of not getting critical software updates and charging stuff I think the car looks quite good, interior good, that landscape turning was great, if it works well with basics its great buy esp give then price decrease. I think M is simply too biased on them since they werent nice to him. You could easily do a quite nice review also these reviews just give only a a decent first impressions only
Me, too and I'm anti-EV.
Fisker has always been good a styling them. Has Fisker made a bad looking car?
The car actually is awesome. I have one with more than 9000 miles on it now.
Brownlee is doing another hit piece on Fisker with this video.
Check this out.
th-cam.com/video/JeQt3fVj3-A/w-d-xo.htmlsi=EBot0n-U2oEXx8xX
I don't think he is bias... Is it safe to drive a car with a bunch of software issues? What happens when it glitches while driving 70 or 80m/h? @@CHAITHANYAkitta
I got the 2.0 software update over the air without any issues. I got it yesterday and feels so much better.
ouch, how much did you pay for the car tho?
The technicians might have come during the night
Put as many miles as you can on it, because you won't get much on a trade in, but you saved money of gas.
Aren't you worried the company won't exist in a couple years? Who's gonna fix your car if it breaks?
@@femaledeer Never imagined that line would have fit well with a car maker other than Tesla
I'm not sure I want a car to block driving if the seatbelt is not being used not because I don't want to use it but what if some sensor breaks and the car stops detecting the belt being plugged thus preventing the user from moving?
In all genuinity, i would love to own this car with all its flaws.
lovely color, plush soft interior, looks so good. Software issues sure can be sorted out in coming months.
I liked california mode!
I saw a blue one of these on a flatbed driving down the freeway the other day. It was gorgeous!
Does that count as seeing one "on the road" in your book?
Okay, firstly. I'm very happy they were willing to work with you again to show the issues were mostly resolved via an update. But as I sat here watching, it dawned on me; how far off in the future would the AF channel becomes a patch notes review channel for these EVs? Because thats what they're basically making you do here. Isn't that what beta testing teams are for? Why must a well known car enthusiast on YT be subjected to public scrutiny regarding stock prices and other bogus claims(ugh, that got me so crossed). Why are they having these issues in the first place? Hey we fixed the walking up to the door bug... ready to review patch notes 2.1? You get my point, right?
I think this video was an exception because of how scathingly bad his first review of it was.
It’s not that serious bro
Leave that to the brand loyalist channels. They are all over the updates.
You are you new too car reviews?
@GHOSTSTARSCREAMM Did you miss how fucking pissed they were about his first video? It would have been entirely unsurprising if they simply ignored and blacklisted him out of anger
GM also makes you buckle up before it lets you enter drive but I believe it is a feature that can be disabled.
Where do you get your info from? I’ve had my Ocean since Oct 4 and it’s been updated to 1.10, 1.11, and 2.0 all were OTA. THERE WAS NEVER A TIME WHEN A TECH NEEDED TO COME AND INSTALL SOFTWARE…NEVER!
Seatbelt safety seems like a feature that should be called out . The software is holding it back. Hardware the car does look pretty good. I think the follow up was a good idea. They should have maybe waited a little longer to release the car. Remember Top Gear and the original Tesla Roadster.
Facts.
my vw golf also has the seatbelt thing, pretty common i suppose
This is a very bad feature, yea, I get it, but stuff happens, the sensor on the belt could break, it could be an emergency, the belt could be damaged. Car still needs to drive, belt or no belt. This will inevitably lead to the car getting towed more than once, when it breaks, but the car is perfectly drivable otherwise.
I like the seatbelt thing, tbh. I've said it once and will say it again and again: that should be done more, not less. It is concerning the amount of accidents that have turned fatal because the driver wasn't wearing the seatbelt where I live
It's untrue ask any Ocean owner
It was the same story with Henrik Fiskers last car project, the Fisker Karma. The car was beautiful, but unreliable. And the company closed down within a year.
When i saw the news about the Fisker Ocean I was very tempted to order one, because the price here in Denmark was really attractive. But knowing that Henrik Fisker was the man behind it, I didnt do it.
The Ocean was delayed again and again, but then they proudly annonced that they had delivered it to their first customer. It turned out that their first "customer" was actually a co-founder of Fisker. And regular customers had to wait a few months further...
Even though Henrik is from Denmark, just like me, and he has designed nice cars for BMW, Ford, and Aston Martin. I will never trust a thing that man is behind
Don’t forget Fisker Coachbuild , the one before that….and that company had an even shorter/sadder life LOL.
anyone giving money to Fisker after the Karma are just idiots. He should just stick to designing cars and have others to lead in building it
I forgot about that. Maybe this was always a scam.
@@femaledeer
Kind of looking like that right?
He is a better dressed, classy-like, less-coke-y version of Adam Neumann.
So something I just thought of with the solar roof. It says it didn't add much, but did it help offset any of the normal drainage from sitting around? So maybe the total added is actually greater than just the added range when you take into account the range other EVs would lose just by sitting around.
Can you do the toyota crown. They got 2 editions. Fairly recently added to usa market
The thing you said in the end is the most important. If the company is going to cease to exist, nothing else matters. Who in their right mind would spend $50K+ on a car from a company that won’t be around to support it?
Stopid people lol. But they gotta do better price for people to take the chance.
Maybe Fisker's last ditch attempt should be to make a movie about time travel
If they make it all open source it would be a fun car to tinker with
They’re banking on people who don’t follow tech news and aren’t aware of potential closure to buy the cars
Same people who think EVs are the future
Glad you at least gave it another shot. Glad to see they fixed a bunch of stuff. Hope they survive and make it better.
We have four Ocean's on Munich plates sitting for weeks seemingly abandoned on one spot in the forest, in the outskirts of Berlin. Every time I drive by, I wonder what happened to them.
The regen turning off after a bump also happened in my BMW i3. Very scary coming up to other cars.
I just sold mine last Thursday. I really liked driving it and it was well built, but didn’t want to stick around with the uncertainty. And by uncertainty i mean Fisker throwing a Hail Mary trying to get investors despite not being able to provide trustworthy financials because they literally lost $ 150M of customer payments. THAT uncertainty. I was never able to get updates but I had a hardware issue that caused other oddities. Those issues seemed unique from other owners. It was eventually fixed in late Feb (I got it in Oct) What pissed me off was the complete runaround. Everyone said it was escalated in my weekly calls to the company, trying hard not to sound scripted. Not once was I able to talk to anyone at a higher level. The ones who provided a number kept leaving. Maybe a coincidence, but it wasn’t until I started speaking up on socials did they come out. So that’s similar to what was said about coming out to update. I signed up knowing there were risks and growing pains, but didn’t sign up for hospice care. Hoping the best for all those who stuck it out, some good people in the FB groups.
Thanks for sharing that. People should hear it from real former owners.
Why would you want this? Just to be different? Not being rude. I just am baffled by wanting this. I wouldn’t want it for free.
@@cb86258 As a guy who is still driving the only new car I ever bought , from way back in 1994, I would Absolutely take one of these for free! problems aside, its a new car with latest tech ,massive power vs my old ride.. heck yeah, I could overlook some issues becuz ive lived a Long time with a car thats had mega issues...the ones mentioned here wouldnt even make a ripple in my coffee.
@@cb86258 new tech, new things there is always first products from a company, I mean someone gotta try them, tbh I would I think if they keep going and fix things they could get far, they have nice design and hardware
@@cb86258when it was announced, the company was not in such dire straits.
I hope Fisker can pull out of this! quality comp is what this industry needs! It looks decent! As far as MKBHD concern, could be a software toggle. Such a half baked review and I hate it for Fisker..
I agree ... yes fisker did release a car with some software bugs... so they did leave a door open to criticism there.... but the level of negatively and half baked (on purpose?) commentary they received has blown away the door, the hinges and everything..
@@antoinkiely7972 It feels orchestrated almost. I mean Marques seemed upset about the things that they did fix. It's as if it didn't matter what they did. Nothing in his eyes mattered. It was all about the views. Screw all of those people who might be losing their jobs, because I need views... Pathetic. Doug even made a comment about how he didn't agree with MKBHD. LOL I trust the guy who east sleeps and breathes cars, over Marques; a guy who makes "tech" videos but who's about as knowledgable about tech as the average consumer.
@@anthonydotb He very clearly said many things were better and described what was and wasn't fixed in this particular vehicle.
Do you have any chance to review a byd? Dunno if that brand is available in the us.
I don’t believe BYD is available in the US, however there are plenty of very positive reviews for the Atto 3, Dolphin and Seal on Uk and Australian channels.
Hey, marques. If possible test the Xiaomi SU7.
Want to see your video of this.
I love my Fisker Ocean Ultra, I’ve had minimal issues (small minor annoyances and alerts) in almost 3 months of ownership. I’ve been on full 2.0 over a month. I really hope fisker stays in business or a large manufacturer buys the company after BK and continues to rollout the software and service and warranty these beautiful vehicles. Thx for the video review redo MK, but u continue to get details wrong tho. I received 1.11 and 2.0 via OTA. So OTA is possible but there were about 500 oceans that needed to have 2.0 manually installed by a tech.
@@bielmelichartes2167 What is your malfunction?
Well I sure hope your 3 month old car has no issues 💀
@@bielmelichartes2167 I understand that the Fisker fans on YT can be annoying, but why attempt kick the car owners that actually love their purchases and have shown no animosity towards reviewers?
It was BS review. He said OTA can't be done and a tech has to come out.
There is a video out by the guy who loaned his Fisker to MKBHD and in that video Fisker is on the phone with the guy and it is painfully clear that a technician (Senior Tech or something) had to come out and update his vehicle with 2.0. Fisker was not pleased with the review or with MKBHD. I'd link the video but I'm lazy and don't care enough.
I still hope Fisker can make it. The Ocean seems like a good starting point.
My brother in Christ, the company died this week, move on it’s joever
Or a good ending point
Hay Marques, can you make an in-depth review of the new Xiaomi 14. Think it's a killer phone for the price !
"Can't believe they didn't do Earth, Wind, and Fire"
THANK YOU for saying it lmao
I should mention that the 2.0 software does not require a technician to go out to you unless you're in a car that has specific issues related to OTA. Successful updates with 2.0 happen OTA. My car updated over the air. Key fob works every time for me, which it did not use to. I guess Fisker's work needs to focus on the experience differences between their cars. Overall a good car.
I imagine there are a lot of different versions of hardware components in these early cars. I suspect a larger OEM was have scrapped a lot of hardware that ended up being used in production vehicles where it should not have been.
I had never a problem or a feeling like described by Marques while breaking in almost 2.000 km
This man is by far one of the most overrated and and least knowledgeable TH-camrs in the car review world. It’s embarrassing how much he gets wrong in every video.
@puchmercedesg5568 NHTSA is investigating this issue, Marques is not the first to notice it. It was reported by Fisker Ocean owners.
@Luciferisking512 You do know this is one guys opinion right? Someone who just likes cars but may not have a huge background in them
@@doom453 I subscribe to MKBHD’s TH-cam channels and enjoy his content. But i don’t think his car reviews are great, especially compared to others on TH-cam.
He needs to realize how important it is that he gets all the details right in his car reviews bc of the influence he holds.
This guy is an idiot. He should not be reviewing cars.
Lol just reached out to them about a lease lol curious if they will even open one still
Seatbelt and handbrake work together on Mazda CX-30 also. So it`s a feature. Handbrake will automatically disengage only if you have seatbelt on. Without seatbelt you need to manually disengage.
The newer Suburbans will also not engage Drive unless you buckle up, so I would say, yes, it is a "feature"
I guess I was one of the lucky ones who got the 2.0 update via OTC and without a Tech visit. I had my Ocean for 3 months now and I can agree with most of the reviews specifically about the key fob and lack of support and service. My car was delivered dirty and scratched and I am still waiting for them to fix the scratches. It is a fun, solid car to drive now that many of the software bugs are fixed but not all. If (big if) they survive, I also would not recommend it until they develop a solid service and support system for car owners.
You did this to yourself.
The best Tech reviewer, ver transparent, straightforward.
I checked out the Ocean and inside felt it was a little too small. I didn't drive it but the materials felt nice. I did this while owning a 2021 ID.4. That car was my worst car experience. It had a lot of the same issues you found with the Ocean but with a much larger and mature car company. So I can't fully knock Fisker for those same issues in my mind at least. I looked for your review of an ID.4 to see if you reviewed an early model and didn't see one. Supposedly the newer models are much better so it would be a interesting car for you to review and compare to all the other cars in the segment.
With the ID.4 we had issues with the software and not over the air updating too.
- It took 23 months and 29k miles before they were able to get it in to update it at a dealership to have the updated software and over the air capabilities.
- Mine had some sort of sensor issue where it would give me warnings about drive aids not working and to see a dealership. But then they would go away after a few minutes. Multiple times my dealer just tells me there's nothing wrong. These warnings would come up on clear sunny days when the car was clean so nothing was blocking the sensors.
- The tires installed from the manufacture were crap, possibly faulty. They came with 20" Bridgestones and they would wear way quicker then any other EV. I had to replace them at 18k miles and that's with literal chunks or rubber coming off the tires and the tread close to being too far worn. Other people only got 12k miles out of the tires. Yet people with Teslas and other EVs are getting 30k plus miles on the tires. VW did nothing about this. I replaced them with Pirellis and for the 10k miles I had the car for after that they barely wore compared to the 18k miles with the Bridgestones.
- It didn't have a great regen or hold either and it mostly was updated with the software update.
- My car had remote issues too. The passenger doors never unlocked on the first try. Most times it took 6 plus pushes before they finally unlocked. They had a recall for door locks and claimed they fixed it but mine never fixed and it still didn't work.
- Speaking of recalls, in a little over 2 years there were 5 recalls requiring me to go to a dealer and drop it off with no curtesy car. So that's days I had to take off of work or work around driving to my nearest dealership, 45 minutes away each way to deal with this.
In the end it was a shame because the car drove and handled pretty good, after the tire replacement. But I got rid of it as soon as I could and life couldn't be happier.
The Ultra version doesn't have the taco tray - so more room in the console - and doesn't have the roof solar panels. I like the glass roof better. Thanks for getting Fisker's attention - I hope they are able to fix everything even if in Chapter 11.
I wonder if they could/would open course the software before going out of business. If they did, one could imagine a storied second life where the community, giddy at the prospect, quickly fixes all the issues and then some and the car becomes a rare, first of it's kind hit.
One can dream. I'm sure Fisker owners looking at resale value can dream as well.
Definitely should happen but also won't happen.
I thought that too, but I suspect the NHTSA would have something to say about cars zipping along the road governed by software downloaded off a 13 year old's Github.
Still, if the regulators can be persuaded to verify the software then why not? I don't think Fisker will be selling their IP for much, given the state of the software right now!
@@ye73812Yeah, unregulated software running around the street doesn't sound like the best idea. But isn't it basically the same thing with people running conventional cars with modded engines and internals?
Open sourcing a code base like this would likely be a very large task that Fisker has little incentive or cash to fund.
Doubt NHTSA would be happy about that since safety functions could be screwed up. How do they force a safety recall on user modified software?
I work in Software (ERP systems, CRM, Finance and Supply Chain Management) for mid to enterprise-sized companies, and the most IMPORTANT thing for every one is this: Trust.
1. Trust that you know what you're doing,
2. Trust that you'll be working side by side with that company during discover, implementation and
3. Trust that you'll be around to stave off problems, and solve them as they occur, down the line, for the years to come.
This uncertainty is a death knoll for the brand Fisker, and as it's happend before, I was not surprised that it is recurring.
Am confused is having a tray instead of an actual glove box supposed to be the cheaper option or what's going on there😅I still find it incredibly weird it still doesn't have glove box
Underseat storage seems like a smart idea in a country with such gun happy police.
those underwear hatches are "suicide doors"
rt, but nor do we (consumers) want to perform acrobats to grab our hand sanitizers...
Ocean One owner here, and received my 2.0 update OTA, not sure what the "send someone to every car" comment was about. All in all its treated me VERY well. I am aware of the wild inconstancies of experience so far and they def need to tighten that up before its too late (if not already). This 2.0 doesnt fix all, but it proves that things are fixable if the company can hang around long enough to do so.
good luck owning a car from a company who wont be able to support it a month from now
@@kaaworii Thanks i guess? IDGAF about fisker or tesla or this dude or you. I like the car and HOPE the company doesnt shit the bed (which they are actively doing) im not getting into any fanboy shit on the internet cause i have adult responsibilities.. but unfortunately this guys opinion holds weight for some reason and the rats just follow. whatev, you do you though bra
Stock is down 99.77%, I think the market cap is around $13m, so no, they won't be around, but you can bet the CEO cashed out and bought a mansion or two. Anyway, you still have a decent EV, and there might be aftermarket warranties you could look into
Just curious, why did you pick this car over the other EVs in the market?
Well it’s because Fisker called the owner of Fisker, which Marques reviewed previously and told him they are sending “senior engineer” there is a video of the call on TH-cam.
The Mercedes Sprinter and Ram Promaster I have driven will not automatically disengage the parking brake if the seatbelt is unbuckled. It’s a safety feature.
Yep. Unfortunately rudimentary experience, and knowledge about cars is needed to realize this.
Obviously this guy has none of that.
My 2010 VW Polo has "California Mode"... Most cars open all windows when you hold down the unlock button on the fob.
I think the point is that all the windows (side and rear) and roof open, not that the fob can make the side windows drop.
The fact that Henrik Fisker added a "taco tray" as an actual feature, I should have known that this car was doomed from the start.
Check out the Mercedes E class level SUV...taco trays there too. But I do have some reservations about it being in this vehicle.
Bs. That tray is for productive people. Not lames as yourself.
Don't rivian have them too?
@@michaelberg7201no, Rivian does not have "taco trays"
Its a gimmick
I'm not sure about the hangup with the seatbelt feature. There are so many people who drive or ride without seatbelts, which increases the fatality rate not for just you but for other passengers. Is it annoying? probably, but for me, literally every time I sit in a car I'd have to stop myself from putting on the seatbelt since it's so automatic.
RIP .⚰
I dont know a single person that doesn't wear seat belts
It's not a huge deal but there are edge cases where it's useful to be able to drive without a seatbelt, including low speed manoeuvring for eg swapping cars around in a driveway or garage (something Marques is likely to do a lot more given all the car reviews). Plus, the people who choose to drive without a seatbelt are actively avoiding or bypassing those features, and those of us who use one routinely don't require the reminder anyway as you said.
@@bobbowie9350 - SEAT belts are Required by LAW.
and those who DONT , win the Darwin Award & subject for TICKETS & FINES,.
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At least Fisker don't say that they're selling fully self-driving cars. Credit where credit's due. ;-) As to OTA (over the air software updates), I'm getting mine OTG (on the ground) in a couple of weeks, even though it was supposed to update OTA, and I have a VW ID5.
The flip of the screen is actually pretty cool
If Fisker declares bankruptcy, it does not mean it will not exist. This is an important distinction.
Depends on the outcome. Give them a couple years and they will prob cease to exist. The first Fisker company doesn't exist any more. This is the dude's second car company named Fisker in 15 years. No way I would buy one just based on that.
So you are going to buy one?
@@heiner71 I wouldn't buy any electric car now. They are experimental vehicles at the time being. When I can get 400-500 miles on a charge (in any weather), cost the same as gasoline cars, battery replacement cost is reasonable, and won't set my house on fire, I will consider them.
For now. It could still go completely bust, unless someone bails it out. If you have seen the current EV marketplace, these things seem to have reached market saturation, at least at the current prices. Unless the world really needs 23 EV manufacturers, some of these things will fold for good, and this is a very likely candidate to be the next EV-1
@femaledeer EVs rarely catch fire compared to gasoline cars. There is a lot of confusion around this as sometimes electric bikes and scooters are included in the statistics and they do catch fire at alarming rates. Electric cars are very safe 👌
Received 2.0 about a month ago, thank you very much. Only very early models needed a tech for software updates (majority of Oceans receive OTA updates just fine). I really don’t think you gave the good attributes enough credit (best in class range, experiencing California mode on a nice day, driving quality/ performance). From strictly a product perspective, it’s above average
Spot on comment!
Sadly you got scammed
I didn't buy the car as an investment; I bought it to enjoy as a daily driver for several years. Breaking news, a ton of EVs including Tesla and Porshe Taycan lose a shit load of resale value... c'est la vie @@myopiniondoesntmatterbut4826
Yeah, it smart to buy an above average car.
@autofocus our EV (MG ZS EV) does the seat belt thing and is totally a feature, many don't like i think its good and stops people driving without their seat belt on, yeah for moving car on driveway or carparks its a bit annoying but really not an issue in the long term. Great channel BTW love the content, thanks
Did the 2.0 update change the amount of boosts (originally 500)? or did Fisker confirm why that is the case?
Mr. Fisker, a 2.0 Ocean review has hit the MKBHD channel
*proceeds to launch the Global War On Influence*
For those willing to take a gamble at a low proce; fisker has built over 10k and delivered 4700 units.
This is enough to support a dedicated user community for replacement parts and shared community support.
Look at the "Classic" Rav4-EV; 1997-2003;Toyota built only about 2500 units, some still on the road today, thanks to owners who love them and the deep well of knowledge they developed through the years to keep them rolling.
there is some truth there...we do live in the information age, generally anything can be ordered from anywhere online these days... and information sharing has never been so easy..
Who cars about a user community. I won't be a guinea pig for car manufacturers.
6:22 I drive a Toyota Highlander and the parking break will not come off if you take your seatbelt off when the car is in drive. Literally LAST NIGHT I took off my seatbelt at a stop light to grab something and the light turned green. I hit the gas and nothing. I hit the parking brake button and a notification popped up saying to put my seatbelt on. I was really confused and annoyed. A feature but obnoxious.
That re-gen cutout when going over a bump is a normal thing on a gen3 Prius and it’s just as scary.