@@zackattack2307 he trained him in a lot of stuff that weren't related to combat and parkour. I only remember he taught him about managing the homestead
Haytham is easily one of the best character's in the series. He is a no-nonsense man to the bone, but he is not a tyrant, nor is he a psychotic killer.
Rogue would be an even greater game. The only problem is Ubisoft made terrible mistakes. For example they copied Edward's moves for Shay, 90 percent of Shay's fighting style is from Edward, it doesn't matter with Hidden Blades or with Swords. They copied New York from Ac3, which caused a lot bugs.
@@cafercemulger1889 well, i wouldn't count the bew York argument, since i never saw any bugs and because There is only So much that can be changed in a the small quantity of years that separates the 2 games.
@@cafercemulger1889 They didn't copy NY from AC3. They actually made the opposite mistake, *not* copying it and instead reusing Black Flag assets that made NY look like a shanty town in the Caribbean
The interaction between Haytham and Connor is the best part in AC3. The incident that got Haytham killed is the saddest moment in the whole game. Great to see Haytham again in Rogue. Miss this character.
The sad part is, after reading, Haythem really did love his son. That's why he was so cold at the end, to get Connor to kill him because he couldn't kill his son.
Shay’s motivations make zero sense. He completely changed his entire life philosophy and demolished the people who trained him because he didn’t stay calm and explain why messing with the precursor structures was a bad idea. He murders Adewale too, which I just can’t forgive. He doesn’t have enough redeeming qualities outside guilt he caused the earthquake.
@@robinita46853 Would you stay calm if your master wasn't listening to you and was messing with temples causing earthquakes and destroying cities and taking lives ?
Shay came right in screaming like a child and automatically saying the assassins were at fault when he had no proof what so ever that they knew the Isu relic he found would cause an earthquake. Hell if you listen, they said they doubt it since none of the other relics the assassins found caused such destruction
@@robinita46853 Lol they treated him like shit, what are you talking about. Always nagging on him and disrespecting him. And he didnt even got a chance to explain himself. They all went hostile on his ass.
Haytham is such an underappreciated character by Ubisoft. They created this posh badass gentleman, fighter for the greater good and completely neglected to give him his own game for some reason. Edward nor Connor were as charismatic as Haytham.
TheMegaUzumaki I did actually, not that it's a requirement to enjoy the plot and his character. The books are based on the games, not the other way around, they dont hold any higher value as the witcher saga for example. You are telling me to shut up because I have a preffered character? Lol.
I still dont understand what I made up about him, thats the problem you moron. All those things that I said were pretty vague and could have been said about any character with a bit of imagination. If I liked Charles Lee, I could be biased and say the same shit about him. So do me a favor and stop putting words in my mouth, youre insufferable. How old are you, 15? Grow up and stop nit picking.
Probably the best group of Templars in all of AC stories. These characters resemble the true goal and intentions of the Templar fold not that one we saw on any other AC games. Haytham, Shay, George Monro, Gist and Jack Weeks. Damn they're so fucking badass and genius. Meanwhile, the Assassins here are probably the worst, they're actually against the 3 tenets of their own creed.
@@thearchangel2577how funny is it that when Shay left Achilles alive and stopped Haytham from killing him, that Haytham would then go on to love Kaniehti:io and have Connor that would be trained by Achilles and that ends up destroying Haytham's whole operation in Colonial America.
@@Your-Average-Animatoryes in a way Shay caused Haytham’s death by stopping Haytham from killing Achilles! Also I thought it was out of character for Haytham not to kill Achilles! Haytham is too smart to leave loose ends!
I remember records of Captain Cook. Records show that when his crew was badly in need of medical aid, he cleverly used cabbage leaves to cover the wounds, thus preventing gangrene.
i hate how little of haytham we see in this, he’s at that awkward point between 3 and unity were he just pops up... wish we saw more of him in a game of his own or something
The reason is because haytham and the templars main bases are in boston as i remember it. This game is in another part of the states. In one moment haytham even says that the templars don't have enough manpower in new york so they rely on the locals.
@@ace9924 For what it’s worth, Haytham killed the man who gave the order and took his place as the leader of the Templars. Even though the Templars ordered his father’s death, Haytham still believed what the Templars were doing was right.
@@ace9924 Haytham had no choice but to commit to being a Templar at that point, he was absorbed by the ideology. At first he was still naive to believe he could unite both Templar and Assassin, that ideal had it's time in the sun when he met Connor, who also believed he could unite both parties. However, Haytham knew the real world didn't work that way from the years of betrayal and mistrust he experienced, so he just became a Templar through and through, but in my opinion he became a Templar that even an Assassin who truly embodies the Creed would respect.
Yes I thought that strange too, for over 30 years he wears the same clothes and when he changes into the British uniform, where does he hide his clothes? Does he hide them in an alley like superman! Also he wears the same outfit all year round, he must get awfully hot in summer!
His entire life he was led to believe what happened with his family was the doing of another when it was in fact the templars that ruined it. Near the end when he meets Connor, he's become more sadistic and just kills for no reason. Makes sense that he's lost some sense of his mind.
@@vegetaprinceofdrip663 But he did that on purpose. Haythem couldn't kill his son, but knew he needed to die. So he did it deliberately so Connor would kill him. The books explain so much, even more than one play through solidified it. When I first played 3, I truly hated Haythem, but reading and replaying, it makes total sense
Haytham Kenway is like the darth vader of the assassins creed series and Shay Cormac is like Galen Marek, aka starkiller, the apprentice in Star wars force unleashed Edit: and connor is luke skywalker and achillies would be yoda
@@Psookpy well just like Achilles, Yoda was in charge of an Order that was overconfident in its abilities. And like Achilles, he couldn't see the truth for what it really was.
If Shay allowed Haytham to kill Achilles,the Assassins would keep looking for precursor sites,and keep destroying cities by not knowing what that sites are.
Jack weeks and gist probs left the order by then and gist was way too old around the time when connor killed biddle, johnson, pitcairn, hickey, kenway and lee
@@H.K.5 Actually, Haytham was 31 here, He was born in 1725. This ceremony is from the year 1756 after the earthquake of Lisbon, which was on November 1755. Connor Kenway was also born 1756 by the way
I just want to know if Colonel George Monro and Charles Lee got along together, they both have very different personalities. Monro was kind and caring to everyone, Lee slaughters innocents without reason.
@@quiet3455I don't imagine that would sit well with Colonel Monro. Since Monro made it clear several times that he didn't see social levels just looked for justice.
@@thearchangel2577 I can’t imagine Colonel Monro had too many run ins with Charles Lee. As Lee was either mainly stuck in Congress or up in Boston. Shay never seemed to have much interaction with Charles Lee either. Honestly, besides his indoctrination, I don’t think Shay and Lee ever even officially met
Fun fact: haytham was going to be the protagonist of assassin creed rogue but ubisoft remembered he was 30 minutes played in assassin creed 3 so they did shay I did love shay as my favorite protagonist next to Edward Altair Jacob and Arno ( sorry Ezio Connor Evie bayek Alexandria and lexios but you all sucked ) but haytham would be a great protagonist one day
+Fancy Octopus I didn't read that one but was it written in first person (from Haytham's perspective)? If so, maybe he wanted to keep Shay a secret in case his account fell into the wrong hands? I don't know, I'm probably trying too hard to defend a simple oversight on UbiSoft's part, since Rogue came out much later than AC:3.
Man if Ubisoft was smart could have made spin-offs of the Templars and make games of it could have made different eras intertwined maybe return to old ac games like ac 3 and learn some new stuff hell they made rouge man so much lost potential
@@______________________-___For me Rogue had to be a game about Haytham, he is the best written and most interesting character after Ezio, more than anything because at the beginning of 3, we are good
@@Revenn_n that be cool but it’s Ubisoft they are not that creative could have made multiple games of different character by now they think more on the assassin cuz people are more familiar then a Templar character cool concept though missed opportunity
There would be no Connor. It was Haytham being a Templar that sent him looking for precursor sites. When he met Connor's mother. No Templar means no precursor site hunt which means no meeting Connor's mother. Thus Connor wouldn't be born.
Actually there was an opening for Ubisoft to continue Haytham”s story! When he killed Birch it left an opening for Haytham to take over the British Templar Grand Master role and leave Shay or Lee to be the Grand Master of the Colonial Templar’s! That way he would never have been killed by his son!
while i like the templars and assassins, some assassin's are no better,and they have blood on they're hands Altair at the start of the game broke three rules in the creed. Al mualim broke the creed he preaches to altair while hording the apple of Eden for himself. Achilles never took the time to try and calm shay down so shay can tell him what happen,even when shay told him what happen he was about to blame shay for it, he also broke all three of his rules in the creed. Jacob Frye nearly caused a Great depression in England. the British assassins covered up the fact jack the ripper was in assassin. Aveline's master allowed his personal feelings for aveline's mom and his hate for her father to consume him until he took his own life. even if they redeemed themselves,their actions left Dark marks in the brotherhood. When i played rouge the one assassin i didn't want to kill as adawale,But the rest were just asses and i never felt bade for killing them.
Ancient comment, but I think they did that intentionally. Haytham’s already everyone’s favorite, he’d steal the show from Shay and just make people even more mad they aren’t playing as him.
I'm honestly confused with the Timeline. On Novel Assassins Creed Forsaken, Haytham looks shocked when he saw a famous Assassins Archilles But in this game, he is the one who shot Archilles leg.. ( or perhaps he shocked because thats old man still alive? ) And I Assume this event Happened after Haytham found Jenny Kenway & Jim Holden ( Haytham Comrade ) death, but what make me confused in novel its explained Templars Colonial Rite never meet each other for almost 15 years, but in this Game they're meet and attending Shay Templar ceremony.
The books are canon whereas the games are more of a reconstruction of the events from the animus. The jist of what happens in the animus is true, but the finer details are usually off.
@preternatural Hi everyone, just revising what this guy's saying here. It's all incorrect; devs said the books were canon and the games were a reconstruction of events.
@@assassinaria I don’t consider the books canon. Ubi just doesn’t care about the story enough and as we saw Shay crammed into the timeline just to join AC3 to 4.
Because they got overconfident and complacent from being unchallenged for so long. And they underestimated Connor as being some two bit half ass assassin because he was an idealist. Connor was a masterful assassin with crazy focus not someone you underestimate, literally cut through them like Swiss cheese 😂
Haytham took the hidden blade from an assassin he defeated. It was mentioned in th book Assassin's creed forsaken. In AC 3 we will kill that assassin in the opera house. Basically the first assassination in AC3.
@@babalarassrah nah. It's in the book Assassin's creed forsaken. Haytham for the most part was trained by his father and later by Reginald birch( after he got induced to templar brotherhood). But Edward never got a chance to give him the blades. Edward was killed when haytham was like 12 years old.
@@chadstreamsam1700 he defeated that old guy before when he was young.that is when he took it.When haytham meets the old person again they already knew each other..haytham was trained by both edward and the templars, that is why he had superior skills like shay...
One thing I don’t get is how quickly haytham’s hair changes because lee and Johnson look the same in this and when Connor was an assassin but haytham’s hair was black in this and then grey in 3
If Haytham was asked about why he remained in the Order despite all the crap he was put through, his answer would be: "Because is the only thing I know for real."(even if he doesn't want to admit it)
I think it's supposed to be a metaphor, nothing more (something like the personification of templar's creed. It doesn't exist, it's just an idea that reminds real templars what they are fighting for). After all, both Templars and Assassins are atheists (because they know that any "miracle" can be explained with "it was the piece of Eden" in their universe), so it definitely cannot be God.
+marlice hakurei +David Šindler I wish I knew the answer and hopefully, it's something that will be revealed. My current guess is Aita. From what we've seen of the Sages, they seem to be in line with the Templars in many ways.
Ubisoft keeps changing continuity, it used to be a phrase like "may the force be with you" but in later games it is established that there is a figure known as the guardian of the cross who was the grand master of earth, but the movie then changed cannon and replaced the guardian with a council of elders so the father of understanding went back to being a phrase. In AC2 as you mentioned it says that the first Templar was Cain so he could be the father but ubisoft changed the lore in AC origins by making the Templar origin in 49 bc, finally they did give us an origin to the phrase by saying that Caesar is the father of understanding. its complicated
if you want Haytham to have his own game sign here... Credit to Goku Son for starting the petition www.change.org/p/ubisoft-would-you-like-to-an-ac-spin-off-game-about-haytham-kenway
Even though Haytham was a great character to play, he was a templar, would have been better if he was an assassin, his assassin outfit would have looked awesome.
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Shay: No!
Haytham: Why not?!
Shay: Assassin's Creed 3 will not happen.
Haytham: Valid point.
I wanted that then connor would have not killed him
Connor might have got someone else to get training but it would not be better than Achillies
I mean letting off the last Assassin present who knows that these particular relics cause mass destruction if touched is a genuinely solid reason.
How did Achilles train Connor though?
@@zackattack2307 he trained him in a lot of stuff that weren't related to combat and parkour. I only remember he taught him about managing the homestead
Haytham is easily one of the best character's in the series. He is a no-nonsense man to the bone, but he is not a tyrant, nor is he a psychotic killer.
Schizophrenic Cynic He’s a very complicated individual and the most well written Templar leader .
@TheMegaUzumaki He really wasn't. Haythem in-game and the text in Forsaken make him the most well written and fleshed out Templar.
@TheMegaUzumaki wasn't say who was more likable or moral, just that Haythem was more of a fleshed out and well-writted / worded character.
He killed everyone without hesitation...
@TheMegaUzumaki Haytham never lied to Connor. Just as his father, Edward never lied to him.
Funny, Achilles was the man who trained his son to kill him.
Still can't find the damn bullets in Achilles legs lol
Achilles revenge for shooting his leg
maybe its just achilles getting his revenge for crippling him
@TheUzumakiSpiral That's not what happened at all, you and OP
Ubisoft is stupid we need Assassins creed legacies about shay and arno and connor we really need that🖤🤍💙
You can see the pain in Shay's face when he mentions Lisbon, details like that is what makes Rogue my favorite AC game
Rogue would be an even greater game.
The only problem is Ubisoft made terrible mistakes.
For example they copied Edward's moves for Shay, 90 percent of Shay's fighting style is from Edward, it doesn't matter with Hidden Blades or with Swords.
They copied New York from Ac3, which caused a lot bugs.
Cafer Ülger The animations yes, but New York? Not really, it was like a new setting compared to the one in Ac3.
@@cafercemulger1889 without copying things the game would never be made, it's a secondary game we're lucky it exists at all
@@cafercemulger1889 well, i wouldn't count the bew York argument, since i never saw any bugs and because There is only So much that can be changed in a the small quantity of years that separates the 2 games.
@@cafercemulger1889
They didn't copy NY from AC3. They actually made the opposite mistake, *not* copying it and instead reusing Black Flag assets that made NY look like a shanty town in the Caribbean
The interaction between Haytham and Connor is the best part in AC3. The incident that got Haytham killed is the saddest moment in the whole game. Great to see Haytham again in Rogue. Miss this character.
The sad part is, after reading, Haythem really did love his son. That's why he was so cold at the end, to get Connor to kill him because he couldn't kill his son.
@@Shalyn-ln9tu He's proud of his son, he made that clear
I don't see why do people hate Assassin's Creed: Rogue. The game is so refreshing. Its like playing an anti hero and a hero at same time.
Shay’s motivations make zero sense. He completely changed his entire life philosophy and demolished the people who trained him because he didn’t stay calm and explain why messing with the precursor structures was a bad idea. He murders Adewale too, which I just can’t forgive. He doesn’t have enough redeeming qualities outside guilt he caused the earthquake.
@@robinita46853 Shay was young and many people become disillusioned with the beliefs they grew up under and Adewele isn't completely innocent.
@@robinita46853 Would you stay calm if your master wasn't listening to you and was messing with temples causing earthquakes and destroying cities and taking lives ?
Shay came right in screaming like a child and automatically saying the assassins were at fault when he had no proof what so ever that they knew the Isu relic he found would cause an earthquake. Hell if you listen, they said they doubt it since none of the other relics the assassins found caused such destruction
@@robinita46853 Lol they treated him like shit, what are you talking about. Always nagging on him and disrespecting him. And he didnt even got a chance to explain himself. They all went hostile on his ass.
haytham kenway is so epic hes my favourite templar master and shay
Lance The Cool Kid They are the only Templars we can "like".
The others either boring or just evil
@Cafer Ülger It's all depend on the writters
What makes haythem charismatic? Could it be:
A. His voice
B. His skills
C. His actions
D. His bitchin cape
E. ALL OF THE ABOVE
An obvious E, if you ask me.
@@Dragoneatspamor should I say E. His cool hat
Indeed
10:36
Haytham: "With a little luck, we might be rid of them once and for all!"
Shay: saokjfauifhdasuifheuiassdhfuwhdfuwq *IMAKEMYOWNLUCK*
Now lets cut off the snakes head
OI MAEK MAH OOHN LOOK
Shut up
Red Dead Lumbago 2
They include Charles Lee? They are good at detail and accuracy.
Captain Ah Vong and william johnson
Captain Ah Vong a
I Control My Fate Lee was a prick Haytham at least had honor .
They used to
Yes they were until Odyssey happened
Haytham is such an underappreciated character by Ubisoft. They created this posh badass gentleman, fighter for the greater good and completely neglected to give him his own game for some reason. Edward nor Connor were as charismatic as Haytham.
Connor provided barely anything character wise, I dont understand what you're talking about.
TheMegaUzumaki I did actually, not that it's a requirement to enjoy the plot and his character. The books are based on the games, not the other way around, they dont hold any higher value as the witcher saga for example. You are telling me to shut up because I have a preffered character? Lol.
TheMegaUzumaki Lied? Wtf are you on about. Go to sleep.
TheMegaUzumaki Lol im done. Having a favorite character is now lying. Okay. Go sport those extra chromosomes elswhere. Bye.
I still dont understand what I made up about him, thats the problem you moron. All those things that I said were pretty vague and could have been said about any character with a bit of imagination. If I liked Charles Lee, I could be biased and say the same shit about him. So do me a favor and stop putting words in my mouth, youre insufferable. How old are you, 15? Grow up and stop nit picking.
Probably the best group of Templars in all of AC stories.
These characters resemble the true goal and intentions of the Templar fold not that one we saw on any other AC games.
Haytham, Shay, George Monro, Gist and Jack Weeks.
Damn they're so fucking badass and genius.
Meanwhile, the Assassins here are probably the worst, they're actually against the 3 tenets of their own creed.
Altaïr and Ezio would be ashamed of this "Brotherhood"
Young Haytham looks amazing
He was younger in the beginning of AC3
@@Vwall007ST And Rogue takes during that time. You can tell by Charles Lee being there.
@@thearchangel2577GIVE ME LEE - Connor
@@thearchangel2577how funny is it that when Shay left Achilles alive and stopped Haytham from killing him, that Haytham would then go on to love Kaniehti:io and have Connor that would be trained by Achilles and that ends up destroying Haytham's whole operation in Colonial America.
@@Your-Average-Animatoryes in a way Shay caused Haytham’s death by stopping Haytham from killing Achilles! Also I thought it was out of character for Haytham not to kill Achilles! Haytham is too smart to leave loose ends!
The Kenways are so Badass
0:55 if Achilles had sought out Shay's opinion and listened to what he had to say as Haytham had done, all of this could've been avoided.
I remember records of Captain Cook. Records show that when his crew was badly in need of medical aid, he cleverly used cabbage leaves to cover the wounds, thus preventing gangrene.
i hate how little of haytham we see in this, he’s at that awkward point between 3 and unity were he just pops up... wish we saw more of him in a game of his own or something
The reason is because haytham and the templars main bases are in boston as i remember it. This game is in another part of the states. In one moment haytham even says that the templars don't have enough manpower in new york so they rely on the locals.
10:32
"We lack the resources in New York to handle these criminals ourselves."
Shay might be the reason why Haytham isn't impressed with Connor's leading his ship
The short, yet the most fulfilling AC games I've ever played.
I like the in game dialogue between Haytham and Adewale about Edward Kenway
It's pretty sad. All that the Templars did to Edward and his friends and his family and haytham decides to stay a Templar would be a gut punch to him.
@@ace9924 For what it’s worth, Haytham killed the man who gave the order and took his place as the leader of the Templars. Even though the Templars ordered his father’s death, Haytham still believed what the Templars were doing was right.
@@ace9924 Haytham had no choice but to commit to being a Templar at that point, he was absorbed by the ideology. At first he was still naive to believe he could unite both Templar and Assassin, that ideal had it's time in the sun when he met Connor, who also believed he could unite both parties. However, Haytham knew the real world didn't work that way from the years of betrayal and mistrust he experienced, so he just became a Templar through and through, but in my opinion he became a Templar that even an Assassin who truly embodies the Creed would respect.
@@m1co294Well said!
Haytham has only one outfit in his closet
Yes I thought that strange too, for over 30 years he wears the same clothes and when he changes into the British uniform, where does he hide his clothes? Does he hide them in an alley like superman! Also he wears the same outfit all year round, he must get awfully hot in summer!
He's too badass for anything other than his drip.
Haytham is undisputedly the best AC boss.
"I won't , but the world will"
Maybe that is why Shay has been forgotten
Went to Rogue for Haytham, stayed because it was one of the best AC games I've ever played
getting to see Haytham in action again was probably the Highlight of the game
In my opinion,he let's his own son,Connor kills him
Thats actually true the book explains it
His entire life he was led to believe what happened with his family was the doing of another when it was in fact the templars that ruined it. Near the end when he meets Connor, he's become more sadistic and just kills for no reason. Makes sense that he's lost some sense of his mind.
@@vegetaprinceofdrip663 But he did that on purpose. Haythem couldn't kill his son, but knew he needed to die. So he did it deliberately so Connor would kill him. The books explain so much, even more than one play through solidified it. When I first played 3, I truly hated Haythem, but reading and replaying, it makes total sense
@@AA-jp9cj exactly right, even multiple play throughs makes this make sense
best line 9:42 "i wont tell she'll kill me" "if you dont tell he'll kill you"
I flipped my shit when I saw Charles Lee and heard Hayham's voice after
Haytham. The only Templar charater I actually like.
What about George Monroe?
Haytham Kenway is like the darth vader of the assassins creed series and Shay Cormac is like Galen Marek, aka starkiller, the apprentice in Star wars force unleashed
Edit: and connor is luke skywalker and achillies would be yoda
I feel like Yoda was never a cunt in his younger days, Achilles on the other hand was sort of a douche until his later years.
Does that make Edward Qui Gon?
@@Psookpy well just like Achilles, Yoda was in charge of an Order that was overconfident in its abilities. And like Achilles, he couldn't see the truth for what it really was.
Great comparison
Achilles trains Connor so he is obi wan
Haytham is one of the best AC characters.
He’s my favorite I wish Ubisoft will give him his own game
2:16 Haytham, that's kinda sus.
The most liked villain/ Templar of all time.
May the father of understanding Guide Us
By the time Shay joins the Templar, Connor is born
It would be super cool if assassin's cree 3,rogue and black flag were rolled into one today with every dot connected to make a fantastic storyline.
Just noticed Shay has an Order of the Ancients emblem on his belt.
Yeah. Yggdrasil, the Nine Worlds.
HOLY CRAP I SAW CHARLES LEE
I'm so oblivious. Since he's only in this scene in the entire game and never spoke, I hadn't noticed him until I read a comment pointing him out.
The devil
NOSHIKO he’s actually the most loyal to haythem
@I Control My Fate Impossible, HE is the promise... Of a better future.
@@sophiapavlidou7963 "He has been dismissed and centured. He can do nothing for you now."
If Shay allowed Haytham to kill Achilles, the Templars in America may never have been taken down.
If Shay allowed Haytham to kill Achilles,the Assassins would keep looking for precursor sites,and keep destroying cities by not knowing what that sites are.
@@vgames5512 Except Achilles went into isolation, and we don't know that any of the Assassins outside of his brotherhood knew of the Precursor sites.
It's funny:
Half of those men we see in the "Ceremony" of Shay were later killed by Connor
Jack weeks and gist probs left the order by then and gist was way too old around the time when connor killed biddle, johnson, pitcairn, hickey, kenway and lee
@@getrekt1048 Was Gist older than all of the Templars?
@@H.K.5He was!! Real Gist died at the age of 53, 1759.
@@cafercemulger1889 So he was in his late 40’s and early 50’s throughout Rogue. He looked younger than Haytham who was like 25 lol
@@H.K.5 Actually, Haytham was 31 here, He was born in 1725.
This ceremony is from the year 1756 after the earthquake of Lisbon, which was on November 1755.
Connor Kenway was also born 1756 by the way
Who likes Templars - 👍
Who likes Assassins - Comment
Both
But assassins more obviously I only like templars when it comes to haytham
The kenway bloodline has the most appearances in assassins creed I like to think
I liked seeing Charles Lee make a cameo at Shays Templar induction
I just want to know if Colonel George Monro and Charles Lee got along together, they both have very different personalities. Monro was kind and caring to everyone, Lee slaughters innocents without reason.
@@thearchangel2577 I’m sure they did
Charles Lee just didn’t like people who were socially Beneath him.
@@quiet3455I don't imagine that would sit well with Colonel Monro. Since Monro made it clear several times that he didn't see social levels just looked for justice.
@@thearchangel2577 I can’t imagine Colonel Monro had too many run ins with Charles Lee. As Lee was either mainly stuck in Congress or up in Boston. Shay never seemed to have much interaction with Charles Lee either. Honestly, besides his indoctrination, I don’t think Shay and Lee ever even officially met
Haytem acts like Edward sometimes I've noticed
Coz haytham is Edward's father
@@FranklinEditzz I think you've mistaken, Haytham is the son
Yeah I'm bad at grammar
Sorry about that
Fun fact: haytham was going to be the protagonist of assassin creed rogue but ubisoft remembered he was 30 minutes played in assassin creed 3 so they did shay I did love shay as my favorite protagonist next to Edward Altair Jacob and Arno ( sorry Ezio Connor Evie bayek Alexandria and lexios but you all sucked ) but haytham would be a great protagonist one day
it has all haytham moments tho it kind of shows his life
2:16 dear god. Every where I go! It’s everywhere!
0:25 Templar dies *Tells everything to killer* assassin moves on.
*Kills Another one* =more info
I love the fact that all the templars like Lee are from ac3 are in this
Aww, you didn’t include Haytham accompanying Shay to the precursor site. That little shove he gave the guard was disturbingly funny.
i wish there was a sequence where we play as haytham like connor in liberations
Why do ppl hate on Charles lee?! He is so loyal to haythem so I love him cause u don’t get this kind of loyalty very often
I wish he had more screentime with Shay
If only Achilles asked him about what he had seen then he might of night betrayed the assasins.
@TheUzumakiSpiral But that's the point: Any sane person would have gone mad with fury if they knew that they unknowingly killed millions of people.
Wait... now the ac3 book version doesn't make sense because this guy isn't in it even tho it tells haytham's life....
+Fancy Octopus
I didn't read that one but was it written in first person (from Haytham's perspective)? If so, maybe he wanted to keep Shay a secret in case his account fell into the wrong hands? I don't know, I'm probably trying too hard to defend a simple oversight on UbiSoft's part, since Rogue came out much later than AC:3.
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yep its written from haytham's perspective, and he looks young in this game, might be the area where haytham skippsed 16 years in the book
there is a few years missing in forsaken and that is where the story of rogue happened
Thomas Athey
oh... yeah.. I was about to mention the '16 years later' part...
Fancy Octopus this is before assassin creed 3
Why do the bad guys always have the best reasons.
They honestly do
Ubisoft should create a game to play with haytham
0:17 Is it just me or does that look like Charles Lee??? But in the words of Connor: "LEE."
gIVe mE lEe !!!!!
IMO i think that whole 3rd AC should has been about Haytham.
So true when I first played ac3 just rushed to Connor cuz he is the poster boy of ac3 but in terms of story man haythem is far more interesting
Man if Ubisoft was smart could have made spin-offs of the Templars and make games of it could have made different eras intertwined maybe return to old ac games like ac 3 and learn some new stuff hell they made rouge man so much lost potential
@@______________________-___For me Rogue had to be a game about Haytham, he is the best written and most interesting character after Ezio, more than anything because at the beginning of 3, we are good
@@Revenn_n that be cool but it’s Ubisoft they are not that creative could have made multiple games of different character by now they think more on the assassin cuz people are more familiar then a Templar character cool concept though missed opportunity
If Edward Kenway was alive that moment templer power will be vanished . And Connor set America free
There would be no Connor. It was Haytham being a Templar that sent him looking for precursor sites. When he met Connor's mother. No Templar means no precursor site hunt which means no meeting Connor's mother. Thus Connor wouldn't be born.
Edward wouldn't approve what the assassin's were doing so He would be in haytham's side
I thinking of Assassin’s Creed Rouge that it takes place between the events of Assassin’s Creed 3 when Connor was born.
Bro I love Haytham
We all do!
I'd much rather be a templar than assassin
Nah I rather play as haytham kenway rather than Connor, wish there could be a story that haytham kenway decided to leave the Templar!
11:32 Biggest bruh moment of the 1700’s
Actually there was an opening for Ubisoft to continue Haytham”s story! When he killed Birch it left an opening for Haytham to take over the British Templar Grand Master role and leave Shay or Lee to be the Grand Master of the Colonial Templar’s! That way he would never have been killed by his son!
I like the way william johnson and charles lee is there as well
while i like the templars and assassins, some assassin's are no better,and they have blood on they're hands
Altair at the start of the game broke three rules in the creed.
Al mualim broke the creed he preaches to altair while hording the apple of Eden for himself.
Achilles never took the time to try and calm shay down so shay can tell him what happen,even when shay told him what happen he was about to blame shay for it, he also broke all three of his rules in the creed.
Jacob Frye nearly caused a Great depression in England.
the British assassins covered up the fact jack the ripper was in assassin.
Aveline's master allowed his personal feelings for aveline's mom and his hate for her father to consume him until he took his own life.
even if they redeemed themselves,their actions left Dark marks in the brotherhood.
When i played rouge the one assassin i didn't want to kill as adawale,But the rest were just asses and i never felt bade for killing them.
Charles Lee and William Johnson are in the beginning
So after these events with shay, haythan Kenway goes to Boston
+obsidio osprey
Not sure. He did a lot of stuff during that time frame.
Until haytham gives to Shay the order to search for a precursor site
Assassin creed 3, assassin creed unity and assassin creed syndicate love game
Achilles saves shay's life there.He almost got shot.Achilles was beast by the way he tossed both shay and that other assassin as if they are nothing.
11:53 Achilles
Man i wish they made more AC games where we play as Templars.
It was great to see Haytham in Rogue, but he didn't have the same charisma in Rogue which he had in Assassin's Creed 3.
Ancient comment, but I think they did that intentionally. Haytham’s already everyone’s favorite, he’d steal the show from Shay and just make people even more mad they aren’t playing as him.
@@notenoughgarlic they didn’t do very good at making Shay more interesting despite that.
Haytham is really awesome
I'm honestly confused with the Timeline. On Novel Assassins Creed Forsaken, Haytham looks shocked when he saw a famous Assassins Archilles
But in this game, he is the one who shot Archilles leg.. ( or perhaps he shocked because thats old man still alive? )
And I Assume this event Happened after Haytham found Jenny Kenway & Jim Holden ( Haytham Comrade ) death, but what make me confused in novel its explained Templars Colonial Rite never meet each other for almost 15 years, but in this Game they're meet and attending Shay Templar ceremony.
The books are canon whereas the games are more of a reconstruction of the events from the animus. The jist of what happens in the animus is true, but the finer details are usually off.
@preternatural Hi everyone, just revising what this guy's saying here. It's all incorrect; devs said the books were canon and the games were a reconstruction of events.
@@assassinaria I don’t consider the books canon. Ubi just doesn’t care about the story enough and as we saw Shay crammed into the timeline just to join AC3 to 4.
It sucks how do you spend so much time killing the assassins and upgrading the Templars just for Connor to kill them all
Because they got overconfident and complacent from being unchallenged for so long. And they underestimated Connor as being some two bit half ass assassin because he was an idealist. Connor was a masterful assassin with crazy focus not someone you underestimate, literally cut through them like Swiss cheese 😂
@@oneside9778 hes a man of focus, persistence and a guardian of all things dog. Wait wrong franchise lol
Haytham to Connor: we require no indoctrination from old men
Asking haytham
I want the rivalry between the Assassins and Templars to end thus they would be at peace.
You had a peace in Unity until conspirators from both broke the truce.
I love all the love I’m seeing for Haytham in the comment section.
Haytham took the hidden blade from an assassin he defeated. It was mentioned in th book Assassin's creed forsaken. In AC 3 we will kill that assassin in the opera house. Basically the first assassination in AC3.
I tought he took him from his father
@@babalarassrah nah. It's in the book Assassin's creed forsaken. Haytham for the most part was trained by his father and later by Reginald birch( after he got induced to templar brotherhood). But Edward never got a chance to give him the blades. Edward was killed when haytham was like 12 years old.
But he had hidden blades when he killed that old guy
@@chadstreamsam1700 he defeated that old guy before when he was young.that is when he took it.When haytham meets the old person again they already knew each other..haytham was trained by both edward and the templars, that is why he had superior skills like shay...
@@chadstreamsam1700 and ironically the old guy was a good friend and comrade of his father Edward Kenway
0:02 Charles Lee is just behind Gist! 😨😨😨😧😧😧
Imagine how sad is for Adewale to fighting the son of his best pal.
One thing I don’t get is how quickly haytham’s hair changes because lee and Johnson look the same in this and when Connor was an assassin but haytham’s hair was black in this and then grey in 3
Do you know that haytham's father edward kenway the main protagonist of assassin's creed black flag was actually killed in 1735
Shay said, "bad news, the assasins found a way to get the precursor box to work", like he wasn't a participatory in that when he was an assasin 😅😅🤣
Haytham, the love of my life👑❤️🥹
"Haytham Kenway!"
"Adéwalé."
"YEAH!"
Haytham and Shay , are more father and son then conar
I really love haytham but he seems to like killing a little to much
Anyone else agree?
Johnny Hutchcraft kinda have to when u fight a group called the ASSASSINS whose whole basis is murder
Edward was killed in front of him. He's not taking any chances LMAO
The Best Templar
haythem was in ac 3 ,4 ,and rogue
Ah yes templars, actual good guys in the series.
Both Assassin’s and Templar’s had they’re ups and downs. But generally It’s a matter of perspective really
Both factions have good people and evil people within their ranks
If Haytham was asked about why he remained in the Order despite all the crap he was put through, his answer would be:
"Because is the only thing I know for real."(even if he doesn't want to admit it)
siriously, who is the templar keep refering as the father of understanding, are they talking about God or Jesus or Cain?
I think it's supposed to be a metaphor, nothing more (something like the personification of templar's creed. It doesn't exist, it's just an idea that reminds real templars what they are fighting for). After all, both Templars and Assassins are atheists (because they know that any "miracle" can be explained with "it was the piece of Eden" in their universe), so it definitely cannot be God.
+marlice hakurei +David Šindler
I wish I knew the answer and hopefully, it's something that will be revealed. My current guess is Aita. From what we've seen of the Sages, they seem to be in line with the Templars in many ways.
Are you asking for reason or meaning in a pseudo religious community?^^
Ubisoft keeps changing continuity, it used to be a phrase like "may the force be with you" but in later games it is established that there is a figure known as the guardian of the cross who was the grand master of earth, but the movie then changed cannon and replaced the guardian with a council of elders so the father of understanding went back to being a phrase. In AC2 as you mentioned it says that the first Templar was Cain so he could be the father but ubisoft changed the lore in AC origins by making the Templar origin in 49 bc, finally they did give us an origin to the phrase by saying that Caesar is the father of understanding. its complicated
Not exactly, many are irreligious but some are deists.
if you want Haytham to have his own game sign here...
Credit to Goku Son for starting the petition
www.change.org/p/ubisoft-would-you-like-to-an-ac-spin-off-game-about-haytham-kenway
Even though Haytham was a great character to play, he was a templar, would have been better if he was an assassin, his assassin outfit would have looked awesome.
Also if you wanted to play as a templar then the game would be called templars creed instead of assassins creed.
its shame there isnt any templar's order game, i am a templar believer so i will be really happy if there is such game:D
marlice hakurei Me too, but rogue is probably going ti be the closest we'll get inless more people sign the petition
Thomas Athey he already got part in AC3 and it included enough
Haytham is an interesting character but god people try and defend him he's a barbarian
He is if you view him as a villain. Both Templars and assassins sure do love killing people.
Haytham as signed your dead shoot the Aquilles leg.
I liked Shay's original character, but it died along with his hood and facial hair
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Amogus in AssAssAss Creed