I mean, there is so much to do it's hard to know if using some of your APM to repair vessels is a good use of APM. I suppose it depends on the situation?
for real that was the first thing i noticed. so tired of seeing these terrans run around with groups of 8 1 HP vessels that inevitably get hit by one muta shot and all die
@@helloken I get why players dont. The game is on edge and it feels like every irridiate is essential to win so they end up sacrificing 5-6 vessels to cast 1-2 irridiates right now. If you bring them home you get 3 vessels with minimum 70 energy for the price 1. And you dont lose that uncast irridiate, you can cast 2 irridiates with that vessel when its repaired... I think everytime you feel like its not absolutely crucial to cast every single irridiate right now you should try to repair them. Zerg hate when terran get those huge amounts of vessels.
Stim'd Firebats with defensive matrix don't care about dark swarm, can wipe out 50 lings in a microsecond, obliterate stacked lurkers or annihilate mineral lines. It baffles me how underused they are in the pro scene.
I think it's because when the gameplay gets to late game, the zerg's natural transition against SK terran is ultralisks. Because high level terrans know this, terrans typically secure the 3rd gas and they will begin producing tanks and vessels in anticipation of that transition. The tank/vessel/MM terran combination still is good against ling, hydra defiler. Why waste the gas and supply on 20 firebats when you can start stacking the tank count.
I feel like I see them a lot considering it’s something you only make against Zerg. Only making 2-3 is prob the smartest play. Just keep a few in with marine med combo and u got a cool looking army
same, still getting chills and knowing there is at least a cast a day I can click on to get my fix is awesome and I'm super grateful. Started watching ASL as a GSL fan. Initially I randomly watched like every. single. Husky solo cast, but eventually found GSL and at some point SC2 was just too cool not to try for myself. I was GARBAGE, I still remember massing DTs in my first ever online matches and the guy whispering me saying "you can't just make DTs man, you need zealots and stalkers" and I HATED that. So I started learning Zerg because I was pissed and random interneters said it was the hardest race to learn for a beginner. I worked hard at it and got plat, and finally diamond as random playing macro builds. I still remember looking at the congrats icon animate, banging on the table screaming gutterally like a soccer fan, walking around my house for the rest of the night making dumb jokes about diamonds like "see these hands? These are DIAMOND hands! See this mouse?" like so many years before that meme was even a thing. My girlfriend had no idea wtf I was saying. With that confidence, I finally picked the gentleman's race and rolled Terran 100% and Gumiho is still my spirit animal. I learned TheCore keyboard layout because my tiny hands can't reach any of the F keys and I have the mouse accuracy of hellen keller so I needed an edge, access to all 8 camera positions and all 10 control groups clustered tightly under my micro hands. SC is so steeped in it's own history at this point that absolutely insane things can happen that have so much meaning behind them, like TY coming into ASL right away in his return to Brood War after winning/casting GSL to knock out all-time GOAT of zerg JD with a typical 200iq TY build. When I was only watching/playing SC2 it was still an event to see Flash, Jaedong, Soulkey, all these legends with their stories behind them come in and do really well. Flash being so goated he is playing Random in ASL awakened my inner Tiger and made me realize my inner Tiger is Flash's bitch. That was wild. There is nothing like the acquired taste of Starcraft and as a spectator the experience ages like a fine wine, and I will not stop drinking o7
Artosis! I love how effective you are using the zoom in and out feature with this cast! Its really nice to get glimpses of the full battle and then zoom ins on the mini skirmishes!
It's much better now. In earlier videos he spent too much time zoomed way out where it was hard to see the action. (Not a complaint! I like the zooms, as long as he goes back to the standard zoom right after.)
Everyone playing their games publicly reminds me a lot like Chess. A chess player today would absolutely destroy an equivalent, or even better player 100 years ago thanks to technology giving us better practice techniques, and knowledge of not just popular openers and tactics, but also the counterplays. When Magnus Carlsen plays an unorthodox opener on stream, or in a tournament, the next day people are already practicing it on the ladder. Chess hasn't been patched in over 200 years (since en-passant was added)
I do love the games where both players take damage early on- it’s interesting to see how the players approach developing their game from there disruption
I dont have any social media besides yt, so I dont have anywhere else to post this. But my friend died last night in a car crash :( He was my gaming buddy. He was going thru a rough patch, and I did my best to help him out in that time. All I want to say is Thank You Arty, your passion for Starcraft (and gaming) has kept my spirits high. My friend had a similar passion for gaming. The only way for me to describe watching these videos would be *CATHARTIC* -Much Love, Skybro
That plague on those 4 tanks at the 4th and then the long run by to kill them was super clutch by hero to break that position. It's super impressive how those gosu players can make strong decisions not only for the ongoing fight but also prepare for the next wave. Sick plays
arty its solosolosolosolosolo ur friend a guy in the chat, i was telling you always to build 24 firebat..cant wait to see this as meta need firebat to shot up and down tho
The problem is the amout of gas per firebat so a fully mech transition is almost impossible this strat is for early games only and the pro scene always gets to late game(for obvious reasons). Maybe on maps that have double gas on natural base can somehow enable this strat but i doubt it cuz those type of maps re not popular on the pro scene.
Not too sure that the firebat tech would actually stick in the long run. It worked here because the firebats were 3/1, while the lings were 0/2. If upgrades are even, then lings need 3 firebat hits to die instead of 2.
Hey tosis! Do you think the faster speed of the meta game changing is making it so jaedong isn't able to analyze strategies and find weak spots to exploit as well as he used to when it evolved slower? I thought about that when you mentioned how he does that during your asl cast the other day
I'm happy to see Artosis bringing back his claims about why each player is the best in the world: 2nd strongest Zerg in the world, best TvP player in the world, smartest Protoss in the world, best B rank muta micro in the world etc. It makes each game so hype!
my favourite unit is still the high templar.... when i was at my peak playing teams i would focus on corsairs and templars.....i had a lot of precision with psi storm. and with the web that disables defenses.....
Big fan of this series, and love the big picture look at how even though the game hasn't really been patched in forever (other than fixing valks actually firing projectiles, and limited hotkey customization) I can definitely see why BW could be a forever game like baseball. If firebat meta vs DS is coming for TvZ, does that mean Ghost could come for TvP??? Even I'm getting tempted to learn to play so I can proof of concept at almost 40yo lol. Does Droplord come back to ferry defilers in hydra/lurker/defiler or ultras in crazy zerg so they cant get irradiated before battle the way speed shuttle and HT meta came to PvT? WHO KNOWS???
I hope if they ever make sc3 the firebat returns because it was always my fave unit, this little bulky tank who sprints up anything with dual flamers and just tries melting you to death.
I'm watching Artosis cast because youtube recommended it on my home page and I was like... what? this has to be an old video, people don't play SC anymore... So i started watching.
what I really want to see is more terrans using vultures+mines in lategame against Z. that's my nightmare as a Z player. for the price of 3 marines, you can have 2 vultures with 6 mines instead, this is ridiculously cost effective against zerg. you just have to put all of the mines together in a clump, so that even if some hydras start shooting them they can't kill all the mines in time, it's enough for just one mine to pop, and it kills like 10 zerg units instantly. lings, hydras, lurkers, defilers, all gone. for 150 minerals, that's very good. combine this with some sneaky dropships containing firebats+medics flying around the corners of the map and dropping in Z minerals lines. Terran has no idea how much more difficult it makes it for Z when this happens. I see Ts going for this stuff in midgame, but actually in lategame it is crazy effective. sure, Z has scourge, but just scan the path, and if it's clear go in at the same time you're engaging in the middle of the map. while Z is microing his dark swarm + lurker burrow all T has to do is select dropship + click unload and you get soooo much value out of this
Dark swarm is the thing that convinces me it's not worth playing as Terran. Zerg can stall indefinitely and just sit. The countering change would be if irradiate had the same area as dark swarm...
It’s sad how much of Zerg’s power is in the defiler. AOE defensive + AOE offensive and the ability to make more energy. It’s the viper and infestor in one unit.
Matrixed hero Firebat rushing into the dark swarm alone and singlehandedly cleaning house is the hypest shit ever
Firebathero is back
Hero don't use firebats :D
Hell. It's about time. Been waiting 26 years for the Firebat meta.
It is a really good unit
Defiler still crushing though. Exciting to see though.
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Fired up!
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duo with light would help ample thats for sure :>)
naturally!
I'm still waiting for the Optical Flare meta.
Could be good against Muta's
How? Its not aoe is it?
a smaller stack you could still potentially effect range enough to make a few seconds difference@@redgaarden8101
Finally a Terran who repairs the vessels
I mean, there is so much to do it's hard to know if using some of your APM to repair vessels is a good use of APM. I suppose it depends on the situation?
Arty, exhibit A1 for failing to protect his vessels.
for real that was the first thing i noticed. so tired of seeing these terrans run around with groups of 8 1 HP vessels that inevitably get hit by one muta shot and all die
@@helloken worth the apm to save Terran's strongest unit, its great equalizer?
@@helloken I get why players dont. The game is on edge and it feels like every irridiate is essential to win so they end up sacrificing 5-6 vessels to cast 1-2 irridiates right now. If you bring them home you get 3 vessels with minimum 70 energy for the price 1. And you dont lose that uncast irridiate, you can cast 2 irridiates with that vessel when its repaired...
I think everytime you feel like its not absolutely crucial to cast every single irridiate right now you should try to repair them. Zerg hate when terran get those huge amounts of vessels.
Stim'd Firebats with defensive matrix don't care about dark swarm, can wipe out 50 lings in a microsecond, obliterate stacked lurkers or annihilate mineral lines. It baffles me how underused they are in the pro scene.
Cause they are insanely micro intensive. SC1 dont have mass select like SC2
Shame it doesn't cus we'd see more play like this
When the siege tanks shell them though -__-
I think it's because when the gameplay gets to late game, the zerg's natural transition against SK terran is ultralisks. Because high level terrans know this, terrans typically secure the 3rd gas and they will begin producing tanks and vessels in anticipation of that transition. The tank/vessel/MM terran combination still is good against ling, hydra defiler. Why waste the gas and supply on 20 firebats when you can start stacking the tank count.
I feel like I see them a lot considering it’s something you only make against Zerg. Only making 2-3 is prob the smartest play. Just keep a few in with marine med combo and u got a cool looking army
Coming from SC2 I was recommended ASL and have been addicted since. Artosis, you are a massive part in that - I appreciate the passion(getting chills
nasty , a sc2 player begone or i will defeat you with protoss , SCOUTS
same, still getting chills and knowing there is at least a cast a day I can click on to get my fix is awesome and I'm super grateful. Started watching ASL as a GSL fan. Initially I randomly watched like every. single. Husky solo cast, but eventually found GSL and at some point SC2 was just too cool not to try for myself. I was GARBAGE, I still remember massing DTs in my first ever online matches and the guy whispering me saying "you can't just make DTs man, you need zealots and stalkers" and I HATED that. So I started learning Zerg because I was pissed and random interneters said it was the hardest race to learn for a beginner. I worked hard at it and got plat, and finally diamond as random playing macro builds. I still remember looking at the congrats icon animate, banging on the table screaming gutterally like a soccer fan, walking around my house for the rest of the night making dumb jokes about diamonds like "see these hands? These are DIAMOND hands! See this mouse?" like so many years before that meme was even a thing. My girlfriend had no idea wtf I was saying. With that confidence, I finally picked the gentleman's race and rolled Terran 100% and Gumiho is still my spirit animal. I learned TheCore keyboard layout because my tiny hands can't reach any of the F keys and I have the mouse accuracy of hellen keller so I needed an edge, access to all 8 camera positions and all 10 control groups clustered tightly under my micro hands.
SC is so steeped in it's own history at this point that absolutely insane things can happen that have so much meaning behind them, like TY coming into ASL right away in his return to Brood War after winning/casting GSL to knock out all-time GOAT of zerg JD with a typical 200iq TY build. When I was only watching/playing SC2 it was still an event to see Flash, Jaedong, Soulkey, all these legends with their stories behind them come in and do really well. Flash being so goated he is playing Random in ASL awakened my inner Tiger and made me realize my inner Tiger is Flash's bitch. That was wild. There is nothing like the acquired taste of Starcraft and as a spectator the experience ages like a fine wine, and I will not stop drinking o7
I love firebats! Underused unit.
my fav unit!
It’s unfortunate that they didn’t wind up doing much here.
It's been cool seeing dmatrix used on smaller groups of firebats recently!
Need light?
Getting your hands on BW replays back in the day was like finding gold, it was so rare
I am so happy this game is alive and well. Your style of casting on this channel seems to have gotten even better too, thanks for all your work!
Artosis! I love how effective you are using the zoom in and out feature with this cast! Its really nice to get glimpses of the full battle and then zoom ins on the mini skirmishes!
It's much better now. In earlier videos he spent too much time zoomed way out where it was hard to see the action.
(Not a complaint! I like the zooms, as long as he goes back to the standard zoom right after.)
no chills, but wiggles!
I watch every video all the way through. Love your casts, man
Thank you Artosis, I watch these when I start my day and it just makes me want to try brood war and suck at it haha. Keep it up :)
Awesome match! I watched this long. Really hope this firebat comp gets perfected and then lets see how the zergs will react.
great cast, as always.
i always watch till the end. I can't wait to see more firebat meta.
Crazy game. Love your casts always
Thanks for these casts! Makes me want to create my own RTS some day. I should probably just play the ones others have made though haha.
Everyone playing their games publicly reminds me a lot like Chess. A chess player today would absolutely destroy an equivalent, or even better player 100 years ago thanks to technology giving us better practice techniques, and knowledge of not just popular openers and tactics, but also the counterplays. When Magnus Carlsen plays an unorthodox opener on stream, or in a tournament, the next day people are already practicing it on the ladder. Chess hasn't been patched in over 200 years (since en-passant was added)
0:13 no way
heroic drones
that terran charge up zerg's 4th right when darkswarm ended was CRAZY
I do love the games where both players take damage early on- it’s interesting to see how the players approach developing their game from there disruption
hey artosis, your stream gives me joy and is the only reason why I put sound on on my computer
It's really interesting to see the flip between defiler hunting and oh no plaguuu.
Thank you for the content Artosis! ♥
Awesome game. Awesome cast!
The firebat is the perfect example of how a niche unit should work. Not every unit has to be a staple but they can still be strong.
the two player's conversation at the beginning is hilarious.
I dont have any social media besides yt, so I dont have anywhere else to post this. But my friend died last night in a car crash :( He was my gaming buddy. He was going thru a rough patch, and I did my best to help him out in that time.
All I want to say is Thank You Arty, your passion for Starcraft (and gaming) has kept my spirits high. My friend had a similar passion for gaming.
The only way for me to describe watching these videos would be *CATHARTIC*
-Much Love,
Skybro
My biggest condolences. So sorry to hear.
fire bats and medics, lighting up the battle field like never before.
Artosis: If you're suffering from diarrhea, try cutting fibre from your diet
I got chills when those bats did their thing
I love these casts man! Thanks for the consistent joy from another Atlantic Canada BW fan!
Cheers from beautiful and unseasonably warm Northern Ontario!
Starcraft is very diverse!! Its now 2% non-Korean! Lol
The meta shift in PvT was crazy, arbiter was the only endgame toss was throwing out
Firebats + optical flare meta almost here!
That plague on those 4 tanks at the 4th and then the long run by to kill them was super clutch by hero to break that position.
It's super impressive how those gosu players can make strong decisions not only for the ongoing fight but also prepare for the next wave. Sick plays
arty its solosolosolosolosolo ur friend a guy in the chat, i was telling you always to build 24 firebat..cant wait to see this as meta
need firebat to shot up and down tho
Have a good poop artosis.
Zerg player must do everything to keep that vessel count down…
Zerg are so fun to watch at this level!
What a great match! I've always liked firebats
Great game. Great casting
Firebats with medics actually do well against mass zealot too. Not that you see that combination often since protoss usually is goon heavy
Great game
Insane casting
Artosis saying "is terran OP?" is all i need. Clip it 100x
We want to see more firebats!
He really needed to move those tanks out
When I eat chili papers I am firebat from the ass.
The problem is the amout of gas per firebat so a fully mech transition is almost impossible this strat is for early games only and the pro scene always gets to late game(for obvious reasons). Maybe on maps that have double gas on natural base can somehow enable this strat but i doubt it cuz those type of maps re not popular on the pro scene.
ah, i knew this day would come
Not too sure that the firebat tech would actually stick in the long run. It worked here because the firebats were 3/1, while the lings were 0/2. If upgrades are even, then lings need 3 firebat hits to die instead of 2.
Watched to the end, hope you're having a good poop
Stimmed firebat with dmatrix into the dark swarm was dope af
Fuck yeah Artosis keep it alive.
The term genius works but the one you want is ace. Or perhaps anchor.
🔥FIRED UP 🔥
Great game!
Letting you know
I live for the hey guys.
Firebathero is back!
Hey tosis! Do you think the faster speed of the meta game changing is making it so jaedong isn't able to analyze strategies and find weak spots to exploit as well as he used to when it evolved slower? I thought about that when you mentioned how he does that during your asl cast the other day
I also kind of wondered if that was part of what Artosis was getting at. It seemed like he didn't QUITE finish that chain of reasoning.
Just leavin' a comment and lettin' you know.
Sorry i haven't commented alot lately. Great games from ASL btw i'll go and like the VODs and comment soon!
I have no idea what RT is talking about at 9 minutes, Hero was at 31 drones before the attack and 20 after, that is 11 drones he lost.
Damn fine game!
I'm happy to see Artosis bringing back his claims about why each player is the best in the world: 2nd strongest Zerg in the world, best TvP player in the world, smartest Protoss in the world, best B rank muta micro in the world etc. It makes each game so hype!
Surprised it took this long.
Curious why Artosis was in LA
my favourite unit is still the high templar....
when i was at my peak playing teams i would focus on corsairs and templars.....i had a lot of precision with psi storm. and with the web that disables defenses.....
So it's 2024 and terran mains are finally figuring out that you need to use firebats in dark swarms. Genius.jpg
Hero is using "white" color and his units have the white frame like "hero units" crazy
Zergs would probably react to heavy firebat play by switching into Ultras.
Starcraft1 goes hard. Yeah, whenever I see dark swarms I just type in: poweroverwhelming and that stops zerg in their tracks every time.
We need some mirror matches!!
Big fan of this series, and love the big picture look at how even though the game hasn't really been patched in forever (other than fixing valks actually firing projectiles, and limited hotkey customization) I can definitely see why BW could be a forever game like baseball. If firebat meta vs DS is coming for TvZ, does that mean Ghost could come for TvP??? Even I'm getting tempted to learn to play so I can proof of concept at almost 40yo lol. Does Droplord come back to ferry defilers in hydra/lurker/defiler or ultras in crazy zerg so they cant get irradiated before battle the way speed shuttle and HT meta came to PvT? WHO KNOWS???
Fun game. Thanks.
I hope if they ever make sc3 the firebat returns because it was always my fave unit, this little bulky tank who sprints up anything with dual flamers and just tries melting you to death.
I'm watching Artosis cast because youtube recommended it on my home page and I was like... what? this has to be an old video, people don't play SC anymore... So i started watching.
Firebats and valks are insane vs Zerg
Great game
Firebats should be used more. What about mixing some spidermines in? A mine under the swarm cant be killed before impacting right?
in this map based on my calculation as zerg you can lurker rush = autowin.
what I really want to see is more terrans using vultures+mines in lategame against Z. that's my nightmare as a Z player. for the price of 3 marines, you can have 2 vultures with 6 mines instead, this is ridiculously cost effective against zerg. you just have to put all of the mines together in a clump, so that even if some hydras start shooting them they can't kill all the mines in time, it's enough for just one mine to pop, and it kills like 10 zerg units instantly. lings, hydras, lurkers, defilers, all gone. for 150 minerals, that's very good.
combine this with some sneaky dropships containing firebats+medics flying around the corners of the map and dropping in Z minerals lines. Terran has no idea how much more difficult it makes it for Z when this happens. I see Ts going for this stuff in midgame, but actually in lategame it is crazy effective. sure, Z has scourge, but just scan the path, and if it's clear go in at the same time you're engaging in the middle of the map. while Z is microing his dark swarm + lurker burrow all T has to do is select dropship + click unload and you get soooo much value out of this
Is it possible to d matrix and irradiate a vessel at the same time?
Took 20 years to figure out dmatrix firebats might be the key to Z...
All those firebat awesome engagements in exchange for unlimited dark storm…. 🙃
Out of the loop clearly, but people still competitive this game? Literally my childhood
Cool Beans
No Artosis, Terran not imba... Is obviously Zerg.
Dark swarm is the thing that convinces me it's not worth playing as Terran. Zerg can stall indefinitely and just sit. The countering change would be if irradiate had the same area as dark swarm...
Firebats in bunkers are da bomb
It’s sad how much of Zerg’s power is in the defiler. AOE defensive + AOE offensive and the ability to make more energy. It’s the viper and infestor in one unit.
I for one welcome our new flameyboi overlords.
That was a really good game. Rip Terran
Just need to add in some optical flares.
I would love to see a Normal damage upgrade for Firebats at academy with requirement of Science Facility. I wonder how awesome that would be.
Yeah, no.
Wake me up when there's a ghost meta 👻
"How can that even be true?" because the map pool changes.
The meta on shit maps doesn't vary, however, looking at you Troy.