Italian Bar disaster
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ค. 2024
- AMRA, American Mining Rights Association investigates the trashed out area on the South Fork of the Stanislaus River and the men running off the public from using their public lands. Disturbing. Graphic language warning.
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You wrapped your video saying what was understood in the opening frame. That is, these people are destroying it for everyone. Thanks for posting this.
Good job guys. This video should go viral. You should send this to our supervisors and congressmen. They have ignored this to long.
Hi AMRA. I'm one of Tuolumne County's Supervisors. I'd like to see how we can address this and thank you for your methodical documentation.
Good for you. Coordination with all agencies can control this misuse of public lands. The more agencies working together, the more effective you will be.
Jaron, this is going to be much like tap dancing in a minefield. You & I both know what they are doing is wrong, we both know that they are abusing the land, we even know they have no excuse for it.
However, there has been several cases in federal court regarding the Fair Housing Act, which this technically covers because that is their home. This was argued in court regarding a man living in Seattle in his truck; and again in San Francisco (I think) over homeless people getting kicked off of the sidewalk.
I personally don't care if homeless people live on BLM or USFS land, provided they don't harass people and pretty much be good stewards of their site and remember they are guests of the US Government.
The part the BLM & USFS and associated agencies hate about this is that unless anything outright unlawful is done, other than living there *on a temporary basis*, there really isn't anything they can do. And this legal minefield is likely why the county sheriff is doing nothing. He fails to see his options as well, it seems.
@@CarlKem Good points. I'd have to talk to the legal people at FS and BLM, but we know the issue isn't living on public lands, it's violating the laws concerning mining claims and attempts to homestead there.
@@CarlKem Yep. I see two issues. One is a guy illegally camping, but the other is abatement of clearly hazardous and at risk of fire camp materials. My biggest fear is a little blaze kicking up from that RV and scooting right along the mountain to the town of Columbia. Hopefully at least the garbage and public safety threat can be abated and he will find another place to go now that it's a known place, or better yet, seek help to get into something stable.
@Jaron Brandon That is something I have seen too often. We can point our fingers in just about every imaginable direction until finally we end up pointing at ourselves. For example, we could ask- "Why is the man living up there? He's homeless. Why is he homeless? He's a drug addict. Why is he a drug addict? Because he has mental health issues. Why aren't his mental health issues dealt with? Because..." and the further along the course we go the more complicated it gets. Maybe the man in the first camp is an addict. And maybe he's not. Let's use me as an example.
When I was homeless I wasn't an addict. Sure I had mental health issues, but when one is living in those conditions it's really hard to not have any. I even had the money to rent, but I was dealing with landlords that are above the law, state & federal. State agencies wouldn't get involved saying it's legal and the federal agencies wouldn't step in because it involved other federal agencies even though they said it's illegal. I was left holding the bag and I went homeless while trying to complete college. Which is the only reason why I stayed in the area. So I reflect on that and I am left to ask "why are these people here? What brings them here and what prevents them from getting the help they need?"
When we point the fingers, we point at them, then the state & federal agencies, then we end up realizing that all of this is because we as a people are too complacent and fork too much responsibility onto the same state & federal agencies that we want downsized. We want aq smaller government, without realizing the government is getting smaller by not growing. Then remain the same in size & quantity, yet the population grows. In cases like this, which I feel this is a perfect example, we reluctantly find that the homeless are not going away and if the government doesn't "man up" & do something, it'll get worse, yet they cannot "man up" and do something...without...growing...in...size.
Jaron, you're a civil servant (kinda sorta), so I'm pretty sure you understand what I'm saying.
Good job exsposing the thrash!! Live in Soulsbyville and always appalled at the trash on the tuolomne and Stanislaus watershed. Keep up the great work 🇺🇸🇺🇸⚒⚒
Thank you for your efforts. I just paid for the lifetime membership to LDMA this year. My wife and I traveled to the Italian Bar and seen the homeless encampment. Also seen the many posted signs on the trees. I asked the onsight manager at Italian Bar about it and they were under the impression that the areas below the Bar claim is claimed. It's a shame that it's trashed. It's a beautiful area. Unfortunately getting to the Bar will leave you white knuckled during the decent. Thanks again.
The homeless problem is out of control here in Toulumne County as it is everywhere else. We finally have Jaron Brandon, a new county supervisor, has been working hard to help with this situation!
Lol yea especially now that the homeless were kicked out of their area along Stockton street and now litter downtown Sonora
This makes me both angry and sad at the same time.
This is a wildfire waiting to happen any day now
I was in StumbleTown in '94 when a major wildfire began just up the road at the old cabin. Caused by "Guitar Bob" starting a campfire with gasoline. These kind of people have been there forever. I'm sorry to say that it only looks to be much worse now.
Good job! Please, keep it up..
Wow that’s just down right gross ! We’re starting to get that up here a lot too. Way to go guys get on them !
It makes the rest of us angry. They leave trash on the road and everywhere else. No responsibilty for what they are doing. We pick up stuff all the time. LDMA has been trying to get these folks gone with no success.
Wow, what a mess.
Thank you for all of your efforts. I try to contact said agencies and always get ignored. Apparently it's not personal as they are stonewalling everyone.
“The Stan” is what locals call the Stanislaus River. That first guy thinks it’s his buddy’s name! 🤣
That guys friend is Stan Beackett. Him and his wife Debbie. They Live elsewhere, but have a vacation house on Gold street in Columbia. They have been enabling Anthony Horn. Stan filed a claim there in 2017. Then it was called the backache on the paperwork that he showed me. Stan and Debbie are the ones truely responsible for this mess.
Absolutely speechless...
Very uncalled for, people trashing a beautiful out door area.
Ridiculous that a few scum bags ruin in for the entire community. Think about how many families would love to drive down there and visit the rec area at the river, but choose not to out of fear they'll run into someone like this shining example of an individual. 😡
We tried to get something done. The sheriff's or the firestry claimed they couldn't do anything about it.
That trailer looks just like one that turned up dead on the side of the road in Pine Grove a few weeks back. Crazy. Good job guys getting out in the war zone.
Stan registered that claim in 2018 or 2019 I think. Anthony has been living there since. I have camped in stumbletown many times in the past. And have mined there a few times.
I have been separated from Anthony since 2017, except for a brief period in 2018/2019. Have not had contact with him since then. Until recently. He told me about this video via phone call. I can't believe how he is living. He has always been unbalanced. This just made me sad, so darn sad. I have not been in that area, it has turned into a garbage pile.
Thank you! This people not only run off the public and trash the area, they start fires.
Great Video Shannon. Stuff Needs to be seen bigtime ... We have that same issue at one of our SoCal club claims... lots of dumpers and a tweeker lady n boyfriend telling everyone they own the lands. Its BLM managed..
you guys are awesome.
Citizens need to file formal complaints with the sheriffs dept, or are these fellows going to take care of it?
More videos please!
Thanks
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That’s crazy I’ve been but there to go mining but those people always had the place horded up so I just moved on to the amra claim. I sure hope this gets them run out of there. That’s sad. Good job guys
Buzz Massie would be up set to see that area like that
They can do that for a year, but if I get caught using a highbanker it's hell to pay. I love California.
I remember driving to Italian bar camp down there and seeing that same car just burnt on the side of the road. Not nearly as bad as if you keep driving toward Jupiter though
Also that RV you were exploring is gone now.
wow some peoples kids!!!
If you guys schedule a clean-up for this stuff....I'm in.
Let me know i help
This problem is so sad these tweakers and that's what that guy down there is) are trashing these once fantastic areas of our county and in the process are making all us miners look bad many years ago I mined this area and found many nice pieces of gold as well as great memories, back then the forest service was pretty much on folks who overstayed or left an area trashed now it's hard to even find a ranger anywhere it is like the government just gave up and does not care, Jaren Brandon is an exception he is working hard to help resolve some of these issues but he is one man the rest of the board seems to have blind eyes unless it's for their benefit. When the forest reopens I and Nick will take a run down there and see if this guy is still there. If he is I will confront him and try and chase him out. I am sick of this sort of thing we are having issues with these sorts at our panning business on Woods Creek they have stolen from us and are constantly coming on our private property causing problems and illegally panning for gold this has to stop soon, Thank you AMRA, and Jaron for caring enough to join in the fight.
When I stayed at the LDMA camp back when the Massie's owned it, I went down to those areas. I came across a little pot patch. I figured it was not a great idea to there alone and unarmed. Too bad it's like that now. Doesn't look like the Sheriff gets out that way very often.
I remember camping there about 20 years ago. I believe that was the last place my father ever dredged. I hate to see this happen.
He has a been there 3 years. His friend Stan Brackett paid for the claim. I am an LDMA member. Have stayed at the I bar camp in 2017. Without my husband. That area has had a problem with the homeless for years. Thus video is the first time I have seen my husband in 3 years
That gives us legal minners a real bad rap
So, has the place been cleaned up yet? I want to pan for gold - but this definitely does not look like a place
So then between 5 mile creek, & the LDMA camp, it'd public access right? Cuz I was down there with my goldbug and couldn't get a square answer from both a sheriff's deputy who accosted me, as well as a Game Warden. On separate occasions, my buddy and I were both harassed by wardens, & we both asked why it's OK for that person to be literally living on the river like he is
It is, as shown in the video, public recreational area and withdrawn from anyone being able to file a mining claim. It IS public.
Like to see the follow up on this spot
You think that the white pellets could cause the algea plumes in new melones? Kinda makes since when you think about it.
show the vid to the cops or contact the proper people. he gets fined and told clean up the place
Beyond belief, I know you called everyone needed to know about these dirt bags. And I hope they get on it fast. That was a nice area for people to go, but now a dangerous health and safety hazard. When my claim goes dry, we would sluice out buckets there. I wouldn't let him chase me out and would have the sheriff there before things got ugly. And I would have to defend myself.
I have been going to that spot since 1965 arrest that guy a bunch of twickers down there hiding from the cops
Please follow up with us any actions the state or federalies take on this matter.
It has always been a problem area there, but the local law seem to be able to take care of it. Looks like not anymore. What a shame, families cannot even take there kids there. This guy was scary especially when he was going to attach the gentleman.
I hope you took the video to the forest service as they do care about the land. If they dont know whats happening its hard to do any thing about it.
Used to be a very nice area.....turning into San Francisco
Get em boys, it’s it’s nasty ass human beings like this that ruin it for everyone.
Dude, this is my estranged husband. Sad to see what he has become
Meanwhile nothing has changed and you accomplished nothing.
The biggrst problem is too many agencies without a clue what info the other has. The county sheriff has zero idea who owns what claims, or even where the lines may be, so he isnt going to get involved. The state is equally clueless most of the time as the BLM is a federal agency that may (0or may not) have accurate tecords. Add to that the fact that the state of california could care less about miners rights in general...but will go out of their way for the mentally ill, drug addicted, and homeless, you are all preaching to the choir...and a year from now nothing will be any different. Sad, but the proliferation of homeless to the countryside is a sign of the times. We have similar trash piles and squatters out in the Gold Basin and elsewhere in AZ.
Start with writing a fine for littering. $1000.
WHERE ARE THE FEDERAL OR RANGERS TO ENFORCE THE LAWS? first of i would not go down there without a ranger or side arm with me, . enforcing the law is a great thing, but could get you hurt or killed.?, i had the same thing , in east tucson,az area, next to my mine , ranger called out, problem gone/ with a warning to all, next time there wont be a ranger , but me and a big gun. its posted and stay out?????????? period??????????
Wow I thought the San Gabriel was bad... I hope these vagrants get run out and forced to do cleanup.
I hope you guys are armed!
And yes I see that you are.
And AMRA GUY HE IS NOT A BOY, HE IS A 58 YEAR OLD MAN. A 25 YEAR VETERAN OF CALIFORNIA'S FINEST PRISON, SO I would be careful. And yes he can get very angry and can be a little dangerous. So You might want watch what you say and do regarding him. Also, your words can lead to a lawsuit, watch what you say.