Ian Curtis and mental health
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- In which I commemorate Ian Curtis, one of my favorite rock icons. Music/audio/video belong to Joy Division, except for "True Faith" which belongs to New Order. Clip from "Control" belongs to whoever owns that movie.
Joy Division playlist: • Joy Division playlist
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"Love Will Tear Us Apart" video: • Joy Division - Love Wi...
Full "Transmission" performance: • Joy Division - Transmi...
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I highly identify with Ian Curtis. My epilepsy medication and many nerve and anti seizures medication have strong correlations with suicidal tendencies. It doesn't help that because of my existing disability I top have major depressive order. I stumbled across his existence in high school because of my dads influence and my music taste being David Bowie, the stooges, the clash, the damned. I was fixated by the similarities between us. His death and how he is remembered a whole 37 years later is for me motivated me to keep going. I'm 22 now and yes my seizures have worsened and I have spastic cerebral palsy but Ian Curtis is a huge huge huge influence on me
Freya Scott i hope you’re okay
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Ooh God Bless you young Sir you’ll be ok just keep strong and focused and try to enjoy something beautiful in your life you have the capacity to do whatever you feel is right for you take care and god luck🎸🎚🇬🇧💞✝️🎚🤪🤘🙏🏻🎚🎸🤘🎸🇬🇧💞✝️😘🤘🤪🎸🤘
@@vivaldi1ett based schizo
but seriously say 'I,' anymore Freya Scott?
Quando la mente ti porta "fuori" ascolta il cuore! Stay strong.
In 1986 I was 16. A mysterious bootleg cassette tape was given to me by a musician friend. He told me it was given to him by another person who had told him that the lead singer killed himself. On one side it said "Warning! Do not listen" on the other side it said "Joy Division" On this tape was Unknown Pleasures and Closer. In 1986 very few people had heard of Joy Division in Tampa outside the sole independent record store. There was no internet. There were no books about Joy Division, no information sources available, nothing except the rumor that he had "died for his art". I once dreamed someone would make a movie about him, which at the time seemed silly because the band was so obscure. It would be many years before I ever heard a Joy Division song outside a alternative club. After reading in the mid 1990s "Touching From A Distance" I learned the facts. Later with the internet it all became very clear down to what type of instruments the band used.
This is good and bad. It is good that we have access to instant information and can learn so much. It is bad because noone from the internet generation can ever feel the internal creativity that spawns from the mystery behind great albums such as these. I created my own mythos. I found my own story. Instant access seems to take away imagination in some strange way.
i agree, what actions can we take to continue this
good post.
vincent van gogh of music
I was 15 and in HS in Chicago when Unknown Pleasures came out. I played that on the turntable till the vinyl wore out....great record!
Jim Walker This.
Suicide is not so rare in the pop/rock industry. Ian Curtis was a pure genius but actually normal guy too by temper. But he was only 23 and could not handle the strange pressure on him and strange success. What I mean strange? JD was adored by many but they still preformed to small crowds. They still sold pretty poorly. Same time everybody were talking how good they are. Dozens of bands started to strictly imitate them without any shame. They were known and adored and nfluential but NOT popular. They had no glamour in their life. No Top Of The Pops. No tons of money. Still driving around with old van. Still getting limited money from management. And Ian was married with kid but then an affair appeared too. Too much for a ovr-intelligent guy.
That is true .In my town he have ,honestly ,1000-2000 fans ,before war ,central Bosnia .Grafits on wals in every part of town .Adored in Cro.Strange .
Blah bläh bläh. Business man talking. Music is still good it doesn't matter how much they sold.
Ian was a working class lad and mental health wasn’t something that’s acceptable to talk about for young men like him. Things have got better but still room for improvement.
New dawn fades was literally his emotions immortalised in music
No song will ever touch new dawn fades in terms of raw emotion.
I think his most haunting is “In A Lonely Place,” especially hearing him sing those last few lines only days before he took his life.
@@Cagebreaker It sounds like someone at the end of his rope.
Memory of Ian Curtis, 23 years old for ever...
I guess Ian Curtis was torn between wanting to be famous and his doctors telling him he needed to lead a quiet life due to his epilepsy. Add in the mix an affair and his life became unliveable. RIP, Ian. You were a huge talent.
You have said what I was going to say so I don't need to ...
I've realized Joy Division started this whole post-punk "sound" by being simultaneously influenced by The Sex Pistols, Television, Throbbing Gristle, David Bowie's Berlin albums, and krautrock like Kraftwerk. They started conventionally punk, but with those influences as well as the bizarre conventions of producer Martin Hannet, they begat this sound that was like punk, but slower, with more echoing acoustics and ambient sounds. Perhaps without Joy Division, we would not have the sounds of U2, The Cure, R.E.M., The Smiths, and so many other bands who have perpetuated more fame but owe so much to the band. Joy Division was a shooting star, and I hope Ian's soul rests well with the peace and health he could not find in the world.
This change from punk to a more sophisticated sound was thanks to the genuis of Martin Hannet.
The Cure coexisted with Joy Division during that time, and would’ve most likely went the gothic rock direction regardless of whether Joy Division was around.
@Wolfdragon A major influence on Joy Division were Iggy Pop* and also Nico. Nico's lp trilogy The Marble Index (1968), Desertshore (1970) and The End (1974), producrd and arranged by Velvet Underground genius John Cale, who Peter Hook declared as one of his music Gods (Hook used the bassline from Cale's song Chickenshit for JD's Exercise One), had a massive influence on Postpunk and Goth. Bauhaus would tour with Nico in the early 80s and covered John Cale's song Rosegarden Funeral Of Sores, Siouxsie covered Cale's song Gun, had her lp The Rapture produced by Cale and toured with him in the 90s with The Creatures.
* John Cale produced The Stooges selftitled debut album and also those by Patti Smith (Horses) and The Modern Lovers, all of them being milestones in shaping of the sounds to come. John Cale's musical influence on the whole Punk/Alternative universe is bar to none, considering him also being the main creative musical force behind the Velvets then revolutionary sound!
Before watching Control a few years back I knew very little about Joy Division other than the songs "transmission", "she's lost control" and "love will tear us apart". It's amazing how one band can do so much to influence music yet not get the recollection they deserve, just like Captain Beefheart and his magic band.
I Neither Love or Hate Everything just listened to it now (whist really drunk ngl) thought it was great. I love Joy Division their music is so solemn and yet has a deeper meaning at the same time. Kinda thing that stopped me from liking grunge that much. It has the solemn and dark atmosphere to tell a beautiful story but doesn't have the follow up meaning (not including polly or rape me by nirvana). apologies if wrong I'm very drunk thanks for sharing the song :)
The thing that always gets me the most about Ian's suicide is how the rest of the band was kind of blindsided by it, until they actually listened to his lyrics. I can't imagine how isolating it must feel to be standing on stage screaming for help every night, and the guys standing right next to me don't even hear what I'm saying. On the other hand, imagine living with the knowledge that you missed all those flags... Ian Curtis's story makes me so thankful to live in a time where we can, at the very least, talk about stuff like this.
Deborah wrote, after playfully attempting to surprise Ian, “I was stunned when he scurried on all fours to a corner of the landing and cowered there, whimpering. Seconds later he was up on his feet again. He descended the rest of the stairs as if nothing had happened.” Anyone find that bizarre? It’s like some dissociative gut-response to being startled. I wonder what Ian was going through
Ian was looking for help, giving out clues about his life, mental, emotional and perhaps even spiritual health in his lyrics but nobody listened.
With the subject matter of the video and the whiteness of the room, I felt like I was back in a psych ward.
Control was good but depressing , legit felt down for like 2 straight days after watching it.
Yes I couldn't stop thinking about him and Deborah and the pain and just cried and cried as if it just happened.
Yeah I became depressed and seized 3 days after watching the movie..yesterday
@@stardust3204 you might wanna talk to someone about that then
*RIP to depressed musicians who tried their best to survive...*
Ian Curtis (Joy Division) 1956 - 1980
Darby Crash (The Germs) 1958 - 1980
Del Shannon (solo) 1934 - 1990
Kurt Cobain (Nirvana) 1967 - 1994
Chris Acland (Lush) 1966 - 1996
Michael Hutchence (INXS) 1960 - 1997
Wendy O Williams (The Plasmatics) 1949 -1998
Brad Delp (Boston) 1951 - 2007
Vic Chestnutt (solo) 1964 - 2009
Mindy McCready (solo) 1975 - 2013
Chris Cornell (Soundgarden) 1964 - 2017
Chester Bennington (Linkin Park) 1976 - 2017
Keith Flint (The Prodigy) 1969 - 2019
Naomi Judd (The Judds) 1946 - 2022
Epilepsy sucks but anti-epilepsy drugs suck even more
Epilepsy is a neurological condition not a "mental health" issue. The two can be intertwined (having epilepsy affects the person's psychological health - dealing with a disruptive, distressing condition) so there is a branch of medicine called neuropsychiatry which deals with both the neurological problem and its psychological effects.
Ian Curtis was also HEAVILY influenced by The Doors. Ian dropped his punk rock voice a couple or a few octaves (post-Warsaw) a la Jim Morrison as a result. The result was Joy Division; which became legendary vis a vis the band's non-descript punk roots.
I doubt it was more than a few tones lower and was more into Bowie/ Iggy Pop. As was Simple Minds' vocalist 2-3 years later again into Bowie. And U2 and so many others lowered the vocals.
U2 were clearly heavily influenced by Joy Division Martin Hannett was supposed to produce Boy.
ians singing voice was actually higher than it is on the records though, martin hannett changed many aspects of their songs after they were recorded, including the overall pitch on almost all of their songs. you can hear it in live recordings, ian either really struggles to reach those deep notes or he just sings with his natural voice.
he was an awful singer after all, technique wise that is.
Vollständigen Namen, so what is special here? All producers do various tricks, A. Eldritch also never managed to repeat his recorded voice and so many others couldn't too.
special about what? im responding to the op, it was not ian who decided to drop his voice, it was martin.
Depression usually leads to lots of isolation....Isolation usually leads to contemplation,concentration....which tends to cause an output of Raw emotion,creation,and imagination....very common with musicians,artists etc
Good point.
Depression just might be the the most uninspiring imagination- and contemplation-killer ever
There are many different types of depression. And how can anyone truly map out in the truest sense differentiating minds, personalities and those external events that effect these inner workings? Categorization is at best a total guess. We cant truly know how another really feels. We can only take in their descriptions of their feelings by what they say and process them up against what we have experienced. This is why we cant really ever understand that which we cant understand until we go through it ourselves. Even then, it could be different, even if we processed it to be the same!
Did you see the video? She is talking about this. Stop romanticizing depression... Yeah, sure. You have tons of contemplation wich leads to creativity... But does not worth it. Ian is an example
Did Ian Curtis develop epilepsy only after he witnessed a girl having a seizure and wrote the song "she's lost control"? If so, was it a coincidence? Were the seizures psychosomatic? Was a biological reason ever found?
According to Debbie, he suffered auras long before he became the lead for Joy Division. In his teens he blacked out from being exposed to strobe lights. He suffered partial seizures before his diagnosis of epilepsy. We definitely know more about epilepsy now than we did back then, it was most likely a neurological condition he was predisposed to
24hr party people is another great film. it is a film about the Manchester music scene as a whole but heavily features joy division and Ian Curtis
Do you think he had Bipolar disorder? It certainly seemed that he could swing from manic to depressed.
he was actually diagnosed with it, yes.
No he wasn't diagnosed with it.
I've never read anywhere that he was diagnosed with it, and I've read a lot of books on Ian Curtis.
I know this is a four year old comment, but Ian Curtis' epilepsy caused his shifts in mood. It doubles as a mood disorder in most people. It sounds like the medications he had available at the time only exacerbated things in this regard
I Thought He Was 32 Or At Least 32 Shocking That He Was Only 23When He Died In 1980. Way Too Young To Leave This Planet. What A Great Talent We Lost. RIP Ian Curtis. God Bless You.
JD weren't **influenced** by punk,THEY WERE THERE
I was 16 when the lead singer of my favorite band committed suicide , I was going to see them in Toronto on the north american tour but it wasn't to be. Thank you so much for doing this to commemorate his life, your awesome. Ccan i buy you a drink ? lol
I find that if I listen to dark music it makes me very down. I'm drawn to it, but it's better for me if I just hear it every once in awhile. I wonder if Ian making this music and having to perform it a lot kind of kept or contributed to him being in a low state.
Never seen anyone as intense on stage as Ian Curtis And I have seen some heavy and crasy things..
A troubled genius,
And anyway. Joy Division, Pink Floyd and Rammstein are/where antifascist.
Using symbols can be done in a sarcastic way.
I mean for fuck sake Sex Pistol used swastikas.
All to provoke “the man”
(Had I ever meet Sid in a swastka shirt I would have knocked him down - something is just out out of order)
But Joy Division was not fascist.
Lets remember Ian, but lets do it right.
(Sorry about the spelling - english is not my first language)
Omg give me a break. I've been listening to Joy Division since 1979. Ian Curtis suffered epilepsy and therefore took his own life. It was an effort to avoid having to take the antiquated meds that were on the market at the time. Had he not had epilepsy, he would likely be alive today. Ian's problems stemmed from a debilitating neurological disease.
Ian Curtis Lives!
Hi thankyou for your kind words.mental health is a huge driver in the music business ian curtis suffered with depression as well as his epilepsy.the film shows it wasn’t easy for him and his wife.your correct about mental health being glorified in music then we all hang our heads as another person buckles ❤
and now we are realizing that our society was actually the issue with most people.
The person who directed control (Anton Corbijn) shot almost every U2 album cover starting from the unforgettable fire
As someone who has eupd/bpd I relate to him alot and I'm sure if he was around today he would have been diagnosed similarly. It's sad there wasnt the mental health support around then..
'Spastic dance movements'? Oh dear
One of Kurt Cobain's last remarks was how come this world doesn't have more empathy. Yep, and like you say in this clip we humans have biased opinions and blow everything out of proportion by glorifying things, over-praising certain people of wealth and fame yet many people STILL don't get how powerful mental disorders are! Because it's hidden deep within and it's not about crying in bed all day, we suck it up and function. Many entertainers have some type of disorder no question, but like everything in life there's good and bad to every scenario and with mental disorders comes a highly intuitive intelligent mind that's very emotional and full of outside the box creative ambitions, yet the world is set up for the majority who have a stable mindset and basic goals, aspirations, and such so most things come easier in life. "Think positive, exercise, meditate, look at the bright side, grass always greener..." so many vanilla statements that so much of society lives by and thinks will actually fix an embedded problem. Nope. Imagine if all the famous entertainers never made it in the industry, I bet at least half of them would opt out of life because most of them have some type of chemical imbalance which become the labels of so many disorders and they couldn't ever hack the 8-5 real world. The irony is if a person with mental issues find a miracle medication, the right support, or can do what they love for a living it at least acts as the morphine for the pain. Imagine Robin Williams ever trying to work a desk job or any normal full time job, NO WAY, he made a career doing exactly what he was meant to do and only opted out after more issues developed in later years of his life. Even his wife justified his suicide 100% because unlike most of society who thinks it's all a selfish copout, dark depressive mindsets with any other ailment or negative life altering stress added in leads to suicide. Most humans have a chemically balanced brain and only get down when outside factors prevail; cancer, death, divorce, job loss...now add in all this shit or other stresses that every human experiences at one point or another on top of a permanently imbalanced dark mindset, suicide is added to the menu.
he had epilepsy grand mal when epilepsy meds were inferior to now and he was dosed with barbituates that caused mood swings, the issue was epilepsy and epilepsy is NOT mental issue(historically in the past it was called The Divine affliction) and barbituates caused deep depression-- because a gifted soul confronts he can't take what life dealt him anymore, and is judged mentally ill or worse, weak, well you didn't walk in his shoes---life can be cruel, and some that bail out early are free and had the GUTs to exit, those that boohoo over this are being selfish---we all die. Get over it.
Many a genius were marginally bi-polar, they did not need institutionalization, but we live in the stupidity movement of don't worry be happy, positive thinking, and lost all empathy that the world for billions is hell. i clicked disliked on your video Emiloid, one of just 5 ---this is and will never be a utopian, world and that be fantasy for those that believe it.
P.S. Ian had a first failed suicide whre he used barbituate, a left a note behing that simply read "i can't fight this anymore) (what could he fight , epilepsy, and other ailments such as severe headaches It was his RIGHT TO RATIONALLY Choose Suicide)
As a person who suffers with chronic Epilepsy, your comment is the first sensible thing that I have read on here, many of the available medications to treat it offer horrendous psychiatric side effects, such as sucidal ideation, tendencies and actual suicide, and your right to clarify that Epilepsy is not a mental issue, it is a health condition that attacks the central nervous system. Epilepsy is a battle on its own, but when you couple it with crippling side effects of medication used to treat it, it does become a war.
Manny Enviado Great comment
Either of you can't argue a specific point because you don't know what it feels like to have depression like me and cope with it everyday for 4 years. Let e tell you it fucking weighs in on you after awhile
Oliver Inciong hell yeah it does. 20 years, well.... more. these people that are like oh, stay positive, or you just have to tough out the bad days, or whatever, can fuck off. they don't know what this is like. i just can't wait until i can get the right meds to let me work my way up. hasn't happened yet, but i think its coming soon. i can't imagine being in ian's shoes, dealing with what he was dealing with personally, being a new father, etc.... i figured out 7 or 8 years ago that if i wanted to stay alive, i needed to minus relationsips until things changed. poor fellow.
This SullenMancHeart If you're taking anti-convulsants, get your vit D levels checked. All AEDs deplete vit D, but there are some enzyme-inducing ones which are even worse at this. The consequence is severe osteoporosis which is only discovered when it's too late. It happened to me. Hopefully, neurologists now tell people to take vit D, but just in case, I thought I'd give you a heads up.
Thank you very much for this. Now 54 years old and just emerging from my latest (bipolar) depressive episode, on 18 May 1980 I was extremely pissed off with Ian Curtis for so selfishly topping himself because now my pal Les the bondage-trousered/bemohicaned sous-chef at the restaurant where I washed dishes was going to have to return our tickets for the JD gig in Edinburgh and neither of us would ever see or hear the wonder that was Joy Division LIVE. I was 17 years old and had absolutely zero understanding or experience of any form of depression - a state of blissful ignorance would continue for me until 1992. If I could travel back 37 years in time I would take this advice to poor Ian: "Listen, Ian, mate, I struggled with frequent suicidal thoughts, intentions, plans and even a couple of almost-attempts over a period of about 15 years. Then in May 2010 I "cured myself" by self-harming - just a little bit - several times within a few days. I have 10 small faint scars but from that time on, yeah, when the depression is particularly bad I still have passing suicidal thoughts, but they really are just that - nasty, but passing. So there you go, Ian: try a little self-harm and keep doing those incredible musical and lyrical things you do. And for fuck's sake save the world from fucking "Blue Monday"!"
Ive been Fucd up my whole life ughh it so sucks,, started prolly 16 ,,,,63 now never sought help wish i had
If someone is going through mental hell, they do not have to stick around for the likes of fuck you.
The cancelled Edinburgh gig was before his suicide.
Have a look at Sumner hypnosis of Ian
Ian Curtis' "fascination with fascist imagery"/SUBJECT MATTER stemmed from his depression and ultimate disgust for human impropriety.
He voted for Thatcher
He actually did vote for Thatcher look it up. Also Richard Spencer specifically is a fan because of this.
Yes i know,shows no one is perfect,clearly politics are not his strong points,but his lyrics are !!!
@@lakmeister "politics are not his strong suit" yes because holding a different political stance than someone else automatically makes theirs irrelevant. I bet you accuse everyone you disagree with a Nazi.
@@Kuningaz93 no i don't nobhead!!! We live in a democracy...even though most twats don't even know what they are voting for? Brexit etc.
He was a man at war with his true self. His celestial sign was that of CANCER. He bit off far more than he could chew in his life. He was on an accelerated path to recognition and fame. These were the things he thought wanted in life, he would sadly be wrong. Ian needed more... Ian failed to find the inner strength needed to overcome his life's many struggles sadly. He had the deck stacked against him. He had tremors and shakes. He was a mess at times. He handled it extremely well on the outside, but the inner soul was angry and sad. This man was emotionally weak and selfishly motivated at times too. He had very little honor for himself and his family, He would later find that inner guilt more crippling than his epilepsy. He was lead by emotions and fell in love easy. He made decisions based on his "heart" and many emotional states. He needed a guide to help him understand these emotional things better. He needed some real friends, ones that did not just obsess over his image and dark brooding nature. This man lacked a center and needed a really strong person in his life to help maintain inner focus. He instead looked inward and his structure was already falling apart right as it was being built. It is very sad.
This man was a true artist of the heart. He lived as the artist trapped in the man. He denied himself that inner closure and security he desperately needed.
His emotional weaknesses are what destroyed him. He should have focused on the person he wanted to become. Ian needed to take charge of that strong observant voice that tried to save him. That powerful gift the universe gave him. That brooding protector that become his artistic signature. It was the dark tone of his singing that shadowed the real Ian Curtis. His inner soul's voice become the substitute for inner strength he needed and lacked. You can hear the weak,sad, and confused parts of him in many songs too. When you hear that dark and brooding baritone belting... It is that of his soul... It is then that one realizes... He could have saved himself with some time and patience...
He needed deep inner strength. He needed to find who he was, not force a fake kind of person he felt others wanted him to be. He was a deep soul trapped in a semi-selfish and profoundly emotional mind, one that would be molded by his heroes and all the influences surrounding him. You who were by his side did all you could. You should not let his death weigh upon you. He made his choices and he chose his exit out of this world. He had his reasons and he must have felt them to be the best at the time. His emotions sadly won against the soul dying inside. Hidden guilt and deep self loathing really start to weigh on one's soul. This guy seemed nice and chipper at times, he drank some, he laughed some, he seems kind of merry at times... Then you hear his voice sing and it becomes all too clear... This man is at war with himself and the world around him. The artist is dying to get out and become something more than the man. Ian's soul was screaming at the man to let him free! The soul wanted control over those emotions. Ian refused. If only Ian had seen in himself what we all saw and see in him now... What a lost opportunity this man became.
R.I.P. I hope Ian is reborn again with a different sign. Maybe next time, he can become a Scorpio? He can then have a shot at obtaining the emotional strength and focus he lacked as a Cancer. This is the best scenario for such souls that depart earlier than expected. I subscribe to these ideas as they are the most optimistic and constructive.
I know how this man felt. Perhaps, I was once a Cancer too? Who knows. Peace be with his soul and best wishes to his loved ones. Ian is not dead, his soul travels onward and will keep learning and growing in many different forms. I just hope it finds peace one day. All souls need peace.
I'm a Pisces. I'm a mess.
Ian Curtis is my lyrical inspiration, the man was a genius. He was a troubled man and he really needed help, but his story is so fascinating and I've always found it strange how I can be so attached to someone that died 18 years before I was born.
I plan on visiting his memorial at some point to pay respects to someone that has helped me through a lot.
This was a good video, I subscribed.
I dream to pe a poet too,and he is my main inspiration (beside the fact that I'm Brazilian and my write it's in in portuguese,and here we had something similar with Joy Division in literature with dark romanticism.
as someone who has suffered form depression and anxiety disorder i hate to say it but it is a muse, a source of creativity, madness and art are two of the same. It is an unfortunate truth but i stopped taking my medication becasue it stunted my creative force, meditation and art help me more
When I was 17 I was planning to kill myself on May 18, 1991. He was one of the few things I felt connected to at that time. I had begun listening to their music about a year earlier. Anyway, luckily my mother overheard me talking about my plan to my best friend on the phone, and she intervened.
This video is so cringe.
howd you pick between true faith and blue monday :P
True Faith has always been my favorite New Order song :)
I hate to admit it, but I like New Order's very danceable tunes as well. My reluctance to be honest comes in light of the fact that Ian Curtis' shabby replacement is/was a complete and irredeemable and fractionally-talented twat.
His "replacement", vocally, was JD's guitarist, Bernard Sumner, whose performances have, granted, been embarrassing on occasion...
Bernard Sumner was not a good vocalist at first, but he wrote the guitar parts for the Joy Division songs. Ian did have a very good ear for hearing a tune that fit the mood of the song best. But Joy Division's music was not written by Ian (only the lyrics were). And Bernard played a highly important role in writing that music. So dismissing him as a "fractionally-talented twat" is disrespecting to fans of Joy Division, to say the the least. Bernard didn't even want to sing...they tried inviting Kevin Hewick, who couldn't get along with the band, so they realized they did not want to invite anyone new (apart from Stephen's girlfriend Gillian). Since none of the band members could sing well and handled the task even worse if they had to play their respective instruments, Barney became the natural choice as he could be replaced by Gillian on guitar and synth. If you listen to the live performance of "Ceremony" at the Granada Celebration in 1981 and something like "Getting Away With It" from 1989, you can tell that his vocals really improved over the course of the decade.
Long live JD indeed. The real influences on Curtis were William Burroughs and JG Ballard. The literary world's most prescient documenters of the 20th century psyche, one colossal mental-health issue.
Do people still think that that crap is 'cool'? Soulless overrated writers out of the Tavistock-Fabian tradition of Huxley/Wells/Orwell
@@vladjones2446 Put it in timeline perspective Huxley/Wells/Orwell were revolutionaries.
RIP and long live Ian Curtis (July 15, 1956 - May 18, 1980), aged 23
You will always be remembered as a legend.
In 80's I was 23 years old , now it's the season of winter for me . But I Discovered Ian Curtiss and his band 'Joy Division' and it is for me a great discover . I learned he read Ballard, Nietsche as I . Music fantastic and great contribution you made to better understand this artist
If they put you on barbiturates, benzos or other downers long-term you WILL develop depression & other mood/anxiety issues...particularly if you already had mental health problems. Check out the "Mood Disorders" Wikipedia page under the 'Substance-Induced' section. His mental health tanked after being put on the meds which was my experience with benzos (etizolam specifically). It's a horrific biological depression that you can't think, talk or "therapy" your way out of. I also stopped menstruating, having bowel movements more than 2x per month & gained 40 lbs in only 10 months. My whole body shut down & the withdrawals were even WORSE. There was no other way out for him, I fear. Other stars who committed suicide while on benzos: Chris Cornell, Kurt Cobain & Sparklehorse frontman Mark Linkous. (Phenobarbital is a barbiturate but works on the same neurotransmitter systems as benzos).
Here are the young men, the weight on their shoulders
Here are the young men, well where have they been?
We knocked on the doors of Hell's darker chamber
Pushed to the limit, we dragged ourselves in
Watched from the wings as the scenes were replaying
We saw ourselves now as we never had seen
Portrayal of the trauma and degeneration
The sorrows we suffered and never were free
Where have they been?
Weary inside, now our heart's lost forever
Can't replace the fear, or the thrill of the chase
Each ritual showed up the door for our wanderings
Open then shut, then slammed in our face
Where have they been?
really liked this. BUT we would not have all of his music, if he was properly diagnosed, and this has not been fixed, and it wont. To many artist hide it, use it for inspiration. Its just whats it is. He was born with a soul and a half.
bla-bla-bla...you don't understand, like many...."blunting of the earth"! Ian and colonel Kurtz ( "heart of darkness") and Eliot .............
I don't know. The very act of seeing the mysteries of the world--of seeing behind the veil--is an act which brings the observer to the edge of madness. It's like the light so bright that it blinds, the warmth so great that it burns. So these brave explorers like Ian Curtis and Jim Morrison travel to the far edges of the universe and then make their way back to tell us what they saw. The journey itself is a kind of divine suffering.
I’ve been a Joy Division fan since the early 1980s.
Good stuff... but slow it down abit. Fucking video is making my pulse rise in a bad way...
Short, to the point, and brilliant; well done.
Subscribed; I look forward to watching more from your channel.
His "facist imagery" came from his fascination with human suffering
Idk love will tear us apart is pretty great but
Disorder will change your socks for you
He was bipolar, like all the best.
Shame about the presenter's nails on a blackboard American accent...
Just came across this video, really incredible! Conversations like this about the deifying of the depressed artist and romanticizing depressed persons as "struggling geniuses" are really important to have. I know I'm about 2 years late, but thanks for this!
This is really good! All us Joy Division fans are a bit guilty of this cult worship because of Ian's untimely death. The guys from new order explained really well how it's not something to fixate on or celebrate
''I knew him first, and I knew him well..''
@@davidvasey5065 Yep.
Congratulations, your analysis I liked very much. Although I am Italian, I understood your words very well.
Glad you liked it, thanks for watching!
Ma dai, una cretina totale che parla di cose che non sa.
I would rather hear you talk naturally than have the space between your sentences deleted.
Joy Division got me through the 80s, 90s, 00s, 10s, 20s.
Hola de México interesante!
Eres muy guapa
as an 55 year old fan i can only say: great analyze!! the music still inspire us!!!
Did I hear correctly at 1.33 Spastic dance!
Best song they did was Warsaw.
Thank you for this.
Great video! I'm a massive fan of Joy Division
Glad you liked it, and thank you for watching!
I enjoyed what you had to say very very much you are certainly right about mental health and the attitude of this country towards it but to be honest your shirt was freaking me out LOL
New dawn fades was just to much on an emotional level.
Great video. I love Joy Division and subsequently New Order. Joy Division is my favorite band and has a very special place in my "Heart and Soul" but, I must also congratulate you on how you so tactfully handled the issue of depression and mental health issues. God Bless Ian Curtis and I thank him and the band for giving me so much!
This is truly a great video. Thank you for covering this topic. You did a really great job.
Thank you. I was introduced to Joy Division by my Physics teacher, and they got me through a very dark time at the end of school.
You're so right. I can't believe I've not found this video before.
His life sound like another artist I know my friend who was a good rapper who jumped to his death may he Rest In Peace him and Ian Curtis
You seem like such a great person! Please continue to make videos I love em!
Thank you so much, and thank you for watching!
Are you being paid by the Pharmacceutial Industrries? There are so many children committing suicide that were never influenced by any musicians that committed suicide. That's a problem. Because they don't see any future. Everyone who is a grown up should be free to do this! Why not?
Thanks for appreciating the legacy and keeping the genius that is Ian Curtis alive. As a mental health nurse for over 30 years, working for a period in the Macclesfield area in the shadows of Parkside where Ian was once "treated", experiencing my own trauma and battles with mental health and having personal family connections to the Factory Family I extend my gratitude. Increasing awareness of mental health struggles and the pathway to recovery is my life work.
Post punk
The Epileptic King
I hate that youtube-type slash editing
Ian curtis suffered more than mental health. Started out with seizures,ticks etc. He therefor tried to self medicate which led to depression. He suffered inside for more than id like to say but nothing any psychology book can detail. Blessings.
If I might add to this wonderful tribute, everything mentioned about mental health is correct. But remember, there is a fine line between genius and madness. Or as Robin Williams once said, we all get a spark of madness, we shouldn't lose it. What does that mean? A gifted or very talented and creative mind can think outside the box very easily and opens many doors. His fixation with fascist designs is totally understandable from the perspective of an open mind. He was able to appreciate only the elements he liked from those fascist designs. The lyrics in Walked in Line is just another case of that where he reminds us that all armys shared some core values, "carried pictures of their wives". An open mind can distinguish right from wrong, but one better, be able to actually feel each side too. For Ian, things were not always just black or white, they could also be overwhelming with infinite possibilities. Perhaps it was this also that contributed to his death?
The way this universe is built, by multiverse, Peter Hook could have killed himself and Ian Curtis is still alive. Honestly no scientist could rule this out.
Great video!
Which is your favorite JD song? I think mine is Disorder.
yes!!!!
Why is the bedroom so cold...?
You talk a lot but say nothing.
You're so off the mark.
Imagine late 70s Manchester (Greater Man) and Ian is the only guy with a regular job in the band. He has a gf (later wife) that is by no means intellectually his par. He devolopes epilepsy and sees his wife and band going different directions. Imagine due to your condition you can"t even hold your own baby in your arms.
Depression was a result but not a root cause.
My conclusion after listening to JD since the early 80's is that his songs suggests increasing self loathing. Blame that on his illness, marriage , adultery, drugs, medication, the music industry or whatever. The bottom line is always about connections to your closest when you're a very, very young child. That can fuck you up for good.
my fellow city fans ian curtis
What a beautiful woman! Wow.
Ian Curtiss is alive and eternal
Sadly. So many do not care. Are afraid to care. They will listen, nod and go back to daydreaming..tsk tsk.
Emiloid, excellent video. Well informed and just a nice tribute. I love Joy Division more than life itself. Good on ya.
Thank you for your kind words, and thanks for watching!!
Mental illness is not a _"cause"_ of artistic talent, but there is a definite correlation there. Depression, bipolar mania, schizophrenia or any of its "lesser" variants... I've seen reports of several studies demonstrating this correlation. These mental illnesses appear to occur in a significantly higher frequency among the very talented.
Ian Curtis's story reminds me a bit of Syd Barrett's story. Both had very short, but very influential musical careers that still attract a broad, often zealous following. Barrett may have been suffering from the onset of schizophrenia, or schizoaffective disorder, exacerbated by drug use. Curtis was so profoundly depressed, for so long, that those who knew him report that he'd been talking about suicide for years.
Following in my hero’s footsteps.. we will be together soon Logan I miss you and love you so much
Your shirt was a poor choice.
A shame that his work as Assistant Disablement Resettlement Officer at Macclesfield JobCentre isn't included. He was dedicated and effective. There is a page mentioning this on the JD Central website.
He'd be 67 now in 2023.
Ian curtis and chris cornell both died on my bithday. Why?!!!!!??!!? I didn't find joy division until a few years ago. I've been listening to soundgarden since middle school. Both bands were very inspiring to me. Joy division is in my top 5 favorite bands now. Rip ian and chris.