HOW TO : MANITOU MEZZER PRO - TRAVEL CHANGE (EN captions)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ย. 2019
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tools required:
1 mezzer PRO ;) with box (spacers and grease are inside of it..)
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bench + vise
long shimano cassette tool
torque wrench/driver 3 to 4 Nm at least
8mm allen key
8mm wrench
14mm wrench
2mm allen key
dental picker or a pointy picker/tool
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Nice video
Ive got mezzers on the way and will need to drop the travel down a bit so i appreciate the clear information you gave
At 2:58 you put the travel reducer against the white top, at 3:10 you have moved them to the other side of the bump stop. Which is correct?
Ken Dobson 2.58 is correct!!!! 3.10 “grease scene” has been add to video edit in a different day and I used a display piston I had around in the workshop, which had spacers in wrong position! by the way, I am proud of people like you who cam catch these details!! well done bru
Damn you are right, I'm considering buying of these but I'd need to change the travel so I was doing some research
Thank you so much Fabio! I love my Manitou forks, but factory support is not very good.
Al Boneta who is Fabio? ahahah
Haha I was typing Fabulous and it autocorrected to Fabio
Which oil do you use for the lower leg service, if you want to include that when adjusting travel? Do you have any preffered oil and how much? on each leg @rulezman suspesnion?
BG
question. the spacers are shown to be installed up against the seal head, then at 3.09 the spacers are shown in a different location. What way should the spacers be placed?
plastic spacers should go between silver shim and white plastic piston! thanks
Skipped a step when putting the legs back on. Need an 8mm open to fasten the air side
dave ho intenzione di prendere questa forcella . sto vendendo la mia Yeti e la monterò presto su un nuovo telaio .
Great vid. Thx!
Advice please. Can one use a normal cassette removal tool or does it need to have a slot in the side? I have seen a photo of the Manitou tool and it has a slot but in your video it looked like a normal cassette tool.
Thanks for the video, nicely done.
either way: cassette tool slotted, or not slotted but with a 18-20mm internal diameter free to being slided around the air shaft!!!!
RULEZMAN SUSPENSION thanks👍
For posterity sake, I was able to easily use my Park Tool FR 5.2 cassette tool successfully to do this.
One question,you used regular cassete tool or one that has cut in the middle? Saw this on manitou tool set they are selling for this fork.thanks
both are fine. I prefer park tool professional tool
Hi Dave, we changed the travel to my Mezzer Pro but I need to overcome the initial stiction of the inner legs when going for a ride...I assume it is due to the fact we did not use the torque wrench for the piston at 3 Nm...so the threads may have extended the shaft a little as you mention in the video...is that the issue or could it be anything else? Thanks Tomas :)
as a pure techology theory, yes the threaded seal head should not be over tighten , but I’d more look for problems elsewhere, perhaps tight bushings.
@@RULEZMANSUSPENSION yeah sure, to be honest I did not ride the fork before the travel change so we can only guess...we will check it again, maybe relube the air piston seal better...after the initial stiction the fork works great...but there is still too much snow here in the north of Slovakia for proper setup and testing :)
If you don’t own a vice, can you perform this task with the fork mounted in the bike and positioned vertically?
well for sure you can... just keep it clean and safe
Do you have a video that shows how to get into the damper and adjust the shim stack for both compression and rebound? I have a MY21 Mezzer Pro but might need to retune it as its for an 80lb kid (who rides super hard).
I am sorry .. not
When I pulled the lower legs on my new Mezzer yesterday there was oil pooled in the air spring side lower leg but not in the damper side. However, the damper side lower leg did have a coating of oil on the inside of it and the wipers had oil on them. Is this an issue? Do I need more oil or could the damper be holding oil? Thanks
if you have cleaned all perfectly stick in 20-25 CC each leg and you'll be fine !!
Hi Mr RulezMan.., does changing the semi bath oil with he Mezzer, is the same procedure in this Video?
Hope you Dont mind sharing some tips off changing semi bath oil on the lower legs, how many cc of oil shud i insert as im a light rider of 60kg.
Thank you 😊
yes sort of!!!! 22cc each leg
That's a handy looking torque wrench! What brand is it?
FERVI brand
Is there a link to buy the travel spacers and grease as I purchased my forks as part of the bike so I didn't get any and can't find.
I have... contact me prv
Question. Just got the circus and was wondering if this is standard and why your doing it? More responsive travel or rebound?
the video shows how to change travel, only
Hi, as I have seen that your rider rides similar stuff and style like me, is one of you around my weight 88 kilo and what setup do you use? Just to have an idea. I also ride steep stuff, thus I need it sensitive, supportive and reactive to small and mid high speed hits. I use
45 Psi main
100 psi irt
6 lsc (all clicks from full closed)
5 hsc
9 lsr
160mm travel
Sometimes I use full travel, I can run it fast and aggressively, most times 2 to 3 cm of travel are left. Like it. But would like to know if I can perhaps even get it to feel better on the small fast stuff like root infested trail parts
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Perhaps I will raise the main pressure to 50 or 55 psi.
Hope it won't ruin the smoothness over small hits
Paul , ad-personam tuning is one of our paid services. I am sorry I cannot reply on youtube!!
I also have one of these and honestly I’m about same situation, very hard to get some more info and details the answer is very disappointed ☹️ I hope to get bit more details but I guess not… we’ll I’m already thinking of going with Zeb, seems to be way better fork same price basically!
What in the world? Please explain time 3:09 - spacers went below the top bumper
3:22- spacers went above it again. ( in reverse)
This is vital info mr. mechanic
correct layout is ( from top ) piston-spacers-alloy washer-rubber bumper-air seal head
@@RULEZMANSUSPENSION - Thanks for clarifying. Cheers🤙
Hmm, I just changed travel before finding your video and I did not put the spacers over the washer :-( thus the washer is still directly underneath the air piston. Will there occcure any problem/damage and doI have to open it up again to correct that now?
Paul.P. Smellthetruth the function of the silver washer is to create a solid flat clean surface for the bottom up bumper. if you leave the washer against the piston and insert spacers, you will place the bottom up bumper against a non-even ( properly flat) surface, which is the two pack travel spacers surface, this could theoretically warn out the rubber of the bumper prematurely.
@@RULEZMANSUSPENSION nothing will happen, in theory there can be issues, but not in practice, source- I'm running my Mattoc with a piece of pipe instead of spacers to lower travel (more negative volume) and it's cut a bit crooked, no issues or wear on the bumper after a year of hard riding. The bumper is there just for setting too out when disconnecting the pump really, most of the force is taken by the air pressure.
I was Literally moving my Mezzer to a shorter travel bike an hour ago
What torque socket wrench is that?
digital screw driver with T handle
Have a bad problem, both sides, damper rod and air rod (even with air pressure) spin when I put the nut on. Thus I can't fully apply the 4 lbs. Now the air cap is so tight, and I really did spin it on gently, that the nut wants to come loose, along with the aircap.... But as the threads are different, the air caps is finer, the two blog each other and I cannot pull off the aircap anymore
Paul.P. Smellthetruth when you insert and tight the nuts, you have to hold the shaft with 8mm allen key ( rebound shaft) and with 8mm open wrench (air side )
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It was not possible to get the aircap of the thread as the nut kept turning with it. I was impatient used a cutter, destroyed the aircap, but the rest is still on it and I damaged the air valve. I am overworked, I think :-/ is it possible to exchange only the air valve or do I have to get the whole air rod?
Damm I could hit myself :-(
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Air pump / tube is included in the Mezzer Pro box?
nope, pumps are aftermarket accessories, you could use any brand/model but I advise digital only, for forks!!!
@@RULEZMANSUSPENSION I have a shock pump :) But I mean for the deflation, you kept a tube attached. Is that necessary or can I just deflate and then do the rest? Considering this fork for my next build!
olivierhacking my pump is a modular pump so I attached the hose only.. no difference than yours! you can even press the schrader with a tip, but I advise to connect pump and press in while releasing the air from pump
@@RULEZMANSUSPENSION Nice :) Also, any experience with DVO forks btw? The Onyx SC D1 looks really good too.
Man it looks like you could vastly increase the negative chamber volume by just using a tube instead of the spacers 🤔 even more than you could in the Mattoc, since the spacers are full, not hollow here. Don't know how useful it would be though, what with IRT being standard.
Piotr Sulej yeah, this is something we ( me and engeneers ) tried already, but there is no point of doing it because the fork has 37mm legs , and the negative volume is massive!! other brands extend the air inside the shafts or above piston because there is no
room in the leg. the air chamber is extremely wel balanced, mezzer has the best/most “coil like” air system in the market so far...
@@RULEZMANSUSPENSION thanks for reply, in the Mattoc I definitely felt an improvement by ditching the spacers @140mm (higher pressure for same sag, more compliance and support) but here the 3mm larger diameter surely makes a big difference, good to know, the Mezzer looks like a great choice for when I'll build an Enduro bike :)
the mattoc is small inside! there is no need to increase the negative in the mezzer! trust me, I dyno tested any config... the mezzernstock is just.. awesome!!!
@@RULEZMANSUSPENSION chill out, I believe you ;) Will be a couple of years till I'll be able to use the burlier bike anyway, a Mattoc is good enough for now.
@@piciu256 yes Ii was a mezzer user for a long time, but as soon as I add 200 grams to my bike (mezzer), my way of driving and enjoying the nature changerd drastically! I advise this fork for any guy/bike/combo !!
how to service mezzer?
not far from this.
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You said that this fork easily bests the actual high end forks as the Lyrik ultimate or Fox grip 2. But how come that that this PINKBIKE review is so bad
www.pinkbike.com/news/review-manitou-mezzer-pro-fork.html
and some people say they cannot get the same small bump comliance as from a Lyrik rc2
I don't know about mall bump compliance, but Pinkbike review is mostly bashing the possible small bushing play and complaining that it didn't work very well when being setup like a lyric, and it's not a lyric- lyric uses poppet valves, this fork uses shim stack, they setup differently. From my experience with Manitou Mattoc, comparing back to back with a Debonair Pike, at low speed the RS does have a bit less friction, so it is more comfortable, but at high speed and when hits get bigger, there is no comparison- the Mattoc just tracks much better, I'd compare the feeling to running nice low tire pressure and a but too high tire pressure, the other one just skips the ground, giving less traction, there is a bit more feedback, but I actually like that, for each their own. The Manitou damper is vastly superior for sure.
manitou air curve has the best measured spring curve on my spring dynamometer so far, including top out. the air curve is just similar to a coil!.... we are all talking about 1K euros forks, these are all good stuff, but to me mezzer has some good advantages over the competitors!
get yourself one.... and judge yourself , is the best way man! you will be shocked!
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Just irdered it and am waiting to get it mounted to my bike. Some initial tips. How much do you weigh and which pressures do you use?
How much lsc, hsc and lsr?
Would be nice to give me a starting point
read the manual that is pretty spot on.. we work on it to give the best settings! follow it and you’ll be spot on!!!!