I know a lot of people compare the BRZ to the MX5 but frankly you are getting a more dedicated sportscar (less practicality) AND a convertible for a bit more money. I dont think it is fair to the Miata. Because theres just no comparison for light weight. Mazda could have lengthened the car an added 2 more back seats and more trunk space.....but to the detriment of driving pleasure which they dont want to sacrifice. The 10 mpg extra and bulletproof reliability is a bonus.
@@andycalifornia426 Exactly. Ive read the BRZ also has oil consumption issues because they use a 0w20. In fact oil consumption is mentioned in the Subaru manual and is considered normal. All just to meet EPA ratings at the cost of overall reliability. The Miata uses a 5w30 after making less horsepower AND being lighter......go figure.......😄
I just bought a new 23’ RF GT in the most magnificent color of Soul Red Crystal metallic a few weeks ago and I’m loving it! This is my fourth Miata. I’ve had a 1991, 2001, 2006’ and now this 2023’. I was 31 when I bought the first one and I’m 63 today so I’ve been driving them for decades now. Trust me when I tell ya that this fourth generation is hands down the pinnacle of all Miata’s. It’s so much more refined from all aspects. The quality and the workmanship of the car is in line with much more expensive cars and it’s simply a beautiful little car. The RF version with the retractable hardtop is just so friggen cool and much quieter with the top up. No more mildew cleaning of the soft tops or the need to replace them after years gone by. Ok, no it’s not a true drop top with the complete open air type convertible top but I’m fine with the Targa top. His dislikes are duly noted but you’ve gotta realize that it’s a tiny two seater roadster for folks who appreciate a drivers car which it truly is. I push mine into corners pretty hard and run the tach with probably the best the six speed gearbox out there. It’s really more like a 181 HP go-cart with a Miata body. If you’re looking for roominess in a car, a Miata is not it. I’m not a big dude so it suits me just fine. If anyone reading this is thinking about getting one, I promise you won’t regret it and remember me when you’re driving yours with that big grin on your face 😊.
I drive a '21 Mazda3 awd turbo. My wife, however, currently drives a '13 factory track tuned Club edition MX5 retractable hardtop and just picked up a (new to her) '23 RF GT MX5. I'm 52 yo, 6'2" tall, and around 210lbs. I fit in both the NC and ND perfectly fine. And they are, without a doubt, the finest handling cars I've ever driven. I'm still hoping I can someday convince the wife to add a turbo to the NC. It would be insane!
ND1 soft top Club owner here and this review is spot on. The only thing is that my car is ludicrously loud on the highway. Sometimes I really wish I’d given the RF a try. All this aside, bottom line on the MX-5 is that it’s engineered perfectly for its mission: peak driving fun on public roads.
@@fortheloveofnoise clearly, you’ve never driven a slammed RX-8 with a gutted cat and cheap straight-thru exhaust 3 hours on the highway to an autocross.
@@deanmiller5303 ones 500lb heavier no low end torque but 9k rpm redline and great tuner market, and one is a lot more linear, friendly and light but less performance out of the box
Thank you for your review. As a fellow owner of an MX5 GT RF, I find your comments interesting and reflect how the likes/dislikes are very personal. It is a given that the size of the Miata will impose some limitations that owners will have to live with, or not. It sounds like you have tested the car over only a limited time, so you likely don't have the benefit of living with it for an extended period and learned how to mitigate its "inconveniences". As a 5'10" 185 lb person, my Miata is a tight fit, but after some time of living with it I have found a set of seat and steering wheel settings that make it very comfortable to drive, even on 6-7 hour road trips. I disagree with your opinion about the lack of touch capability on the screen; yes Mazda could have done it but they have opted to prioritize safety over convenience and I agree with them. The small trunk is again a given with this type of vehicle and if you need to haul more luggage, you can purchase a luggage rack to attach to the top of the trunk. As for lack of engine noise, I think this is a personal and perhaps generational preference; I'm probably some thirty years older than you and can quite frankly do with less noise rather than more. Concerning the price, yes it is not cheap, but I find many Miata owners where I live (Canada) tend to be older/retired and own such a car for strictly summer fun driving. One of the advantages of the Miata that isn't mentioned by anyone is the fact that it is a convertible; the BRZ or GR86 simply aren't in the running if you want the open air experience. Cheers 🙂
Generally agree with your comments except about the touch screen. I personally think that using the rotating wheel is more distracting than the touch screen as it takes more time to scroll around. Apart from that it’s a fun car. 2021 sport mx5
@@brucebolduc3403 tbh I don't think manufacturers should be going for any kind of physical interaction at all. I have an nb1 and I've simply chopped a Bluetooth module and mic into the old tape deck line in, put in a good panavise phone mount and I do absolutely everything with voice commands, except volume which is the knob. I do the same Im all my other vehicles. I don't touch them at all, I just use voice. Don't know what folks are doing with their infotainment, all I do is tell it to play songs or playlists or navigate to . Dunno what else you'd need to do while driving.
@@brucebolduc3403 bit different when your car literally drives itself. Anyway, you still only need to tell it what temperature you want it to be, where you want to go, or what you want to listen to. If there's anything else you want to faff around with you should pull over and do it safely by the side of the road or just use voice commands. All this tech is just a substitute for a good passenger/codriver who does those things for you. Are turn signals, lights and wipers on the tablet in a Tesla as well? In car tech should be aimed specifically at ensuring the driver can keep both hands on the wheel, both eyes on the road, and free of distractions. Anything else is faffing/unnecessary/something you can pull over and do safely by the side of the road.
I owned a ND1 Miata GT soft top and, at 6ft tall, I had zero issues with comfort in that car. In fact, I had more than an inch to spare above my head. That said, mine was a soft top, not the RF, and that makes a bit of a difference. The soft top is the better overall experience anyway, in my opinion, because it's way cheaper and you get the full open air experience. Also, I love the sound of this engine, especially the revised ND2 version.
I agree with you but I purchased an RF anyway because I love the styling of the RF and the easier maintenance of the top. Cloth will show the wear and tear after time especially if you keep it outside in extreme weather. The hardtop is way easier to clean and seems more solid on the road with top up. But as you say, it’s definitely not the total convertible experience, a so if I decide I rather have a soft top I’ll trade later. These cars are all a blast to drive and so affordable compared to a Boxster or Z4.
That's all true.. buuuut it's a soft top. If you're going to track the car then yes it only makes sense to get a soft top. Otherwise; it will look like trash in 3 years and absolutely annihilate your value. If you live in the LA or the city, someone will probably use that opportunity to break into your vehicle.
@@SupraSav Having owned a soft top Miata for 4 years and 40000 miles, I can say from experience that this is absolute nonsense. People who say this simply don't know how to care for a cloth top properly. You have to keep it clean and protected and there are plenty of excellent products available for this task. My car looked like new when I sold it, which is why I got top dollar for it. If you don't take care of it, of course, anything will look like crap in a few years.
3.49 - he doesn't object to the squinty-eye look! Hilarious. Us round-eyes couldn't get away with that statement! Seriously, a very honest and fair appraisal. Subscribed.
2020 GT owner here. 6' weighing in at 245. The space takes a bit to get used to. Also the infotainment once up is fine, and if u utilize the top 3 buttons really is better than ppl realize.
I owned an NC for 14 years and last year changed to a new ND. I think the hydraulic rack on the NC was better than the electric one in the ND, which feels less 'talkative' especially around the straight ahead position.
I’ve owned over 5 NA Miata’s and never once have I had a female passenger complain, they all love them! My biggest grip with the ND is the interior size being smaller than that of an NA!
Sorry but this is not true at all… am 6’1 and cant fit on a NA and my ND is like perfect any smaller and i wouldn’t fit, the interior design is on another level compared to the Na, its more comparable To my old NC
@@gigi9467 that heavily depends on your body type though (torso vs legs). I've seen other people that it is true for as well. When we had an ND I also felt like it had less room than the NA did, and I'm only 5'9".
I really like both the NA & NB designs, including the simplicity of the interiors. Due to their clean, straightforward designs these older Miata's age so gracefully. I don't care for the infotainment screen in the ND (or in general for that matter). Such systems are going to be outdated in no time at all.
@@ricepony33 Yes, this is why many older cars that were built before tech became a factor in vehicle design are still considered timeless today. For me, when it comes to sports cars the simpler the better. Others feel differently and that is largely why GT's came to exist.
I have a 2020 RF and I'm getting around 40 mpg (highway miles). The trunk is very tiny but you have to adjust your expectations when shopping. My Costco shopping has definitely changed, limited to a few items but this thing is fun to drive and works well for me as a commuter vehicle.
I was originally planning on getting a GR86 as my next car but since moving back home I don't really need the space to carry around anything more than food and a friend. I been thinking about going for one of these instead but being in New York and it would be my only car, I'd have to get the hard top. It's about $4k more than a GR86 Premium which I could justify for the convertible tax, better feeling controls, lighter weight, and better gas mileage. I just need to make sure I can fit in one haha
@@username8644 I actually feel the opposite. I’ve only seen a nd in person once and it was from the back but I’ve seen the brz/gr86 in every color and the matte black plastic on the front and the back of the brz86 make it look cheap to me. The RF miata looks very exotic and much better from the side but im leaning towards the soft top for it’s ease of use
21 RF owner and I agree with most of your points. I think Mazda shied away from the cliche exhaust/engine drone and went for refinement. The RF is a super fun toy and an absolute perfect driving experience. For Costco runs I happily take my Raptor 😎.
@@chrisx5127 Dude, it's never a safe assumption. The percentage of people in America who are in insane debt just to own a vehicle as comically stupid as a Raptor is... staggeringly depressing.
About the induction noise, you can get greater induction just by replacing the existing sound tube with marine exhaust tubing. VelocityGT has great videos on it. It sounds amazing, like classic VTEC and old 86's
I own a 2020 RF GT and my only complaint is rattling noises in the interior. It has about 20k miles on it now so some trim isn't holding up too good. But when u got the AC on and/or music or the top down you don't hear the rattles so its a minor issue.
On my 2016 model I get 30mpg city and 40+ mpg highway (when I use 87 octane). One con I have is the gas channel that the gas goes down into the tank has a narrow circumference so the pump will auto stop gas when it hits 9 gallons or so. I have to manually stand there and fill the other 2+ gallons up until it's almost up to the brim. Sometimes it's not worth the effort, but hey a few months ago on a road trip I went 485 miles on one tank of gas! You should also know that the vehicle has Apple car play and android auto, it's not wireless though and your phone has to be plugged into the top USB port- the one with the phone icon. I feel you though, Mazda's software is pretty garbo. Ironically I've daily'd mine for 2-3 years now and I'm 6' 1" and I fit quite snug, but since my arms sit higher than yours I don't have any of the issues with the center console as you do. Just hit 90,000 miles on mine and never had any issues. Just regular maintenance (other than some cosmetic dings and TLC things such as unclogging the soft top drains so the footwells don't flood)!
2019 MX-5 ND2 owner here. He hit a lot of good points, but I have a different opinion on some of the conclusions. He mentioned hitting the cup holders, having the car as a daily driver, and honestly when you do own and drive the car every day, it is way less of a concern. I have probably hit it maybe twice this year, but I generally know it's there and avoid it, I've found a comfortable driver position. I'd say that's more a problem for someone who owns the car as a second or third car, as you don't get as used to it. I immediately changed my exhaust, and I love the way the car sounds. Good win racing has exhausts that will excite anyone, and it's THE way to customize your experience. Infotainment sucks.... I have android auto, and on comparison TO EVERY OTHER CAR, I have trouble using all the features, and get SUPER frustrated with it, all the time, I have to scroll with the knob and go through 3 different menus to change the FM radio station while using Google maps... just let me use the touchscreen like a normal car. Comparing the MX-5 to the GR-86 or BRZ on price is a bit unfair but not entirely. First off, that car was co-developed by two massive car companies, whereas Mazda in comparison is quite small, and kills it with this car. Second, the GR-86 was JUST redesigned whereas this car is 7 years old and STILL kicks ass. Third, one of the things he didn't mention was ease of maintenance and reliability. The 86 still has oil starvation problems that both manufacturers are well aware of, and haven't engineered a solution for and having to take your engine out of the car to do spark plugs is inconvenient at best. The MX-5 is unreasonably simple to work on and you have a cavernous amount of space to fix or modify it however you'd like. Can't wait to see someone do an LS swap in one.
7:56 I actually do hear quite a bit of growling induction noise at lower RPMs but then it seems to fizzle out above 6k. The camera seems to pick up more noise than what I experience in-person. I have the same complaint though. It would be nice to have more induction noise but I have no idea how you'd go about doing that. Maybe more aggressive cams.
Those cup holders actually can pop out and give you a lot of room for your elbow, making the infotainment controls a lot easier to use. Just pop ‘em in the glovebox
ND2 RF club owner here. I do sort of agree about the intake, and unfortunately there are no good aftermarket solutions as the stock intake is extremely efficient, and even well made aftermarket solutions don’t add much sound. I found on my RF that installing an HKS exhaust and removing the factory sound tube gave me a much nicer sound without being loud and obnoxious. A lot more character top down, but more pleasant top up as the sound tube tends to reverb in the cabin with everything closed. Also, I’m actually in NorCal right now Turoing a 22 RF GT and the infotainment is way slower and glitchier than on my car. Based on talking to other owners it seems some of the extra features of the GT can bog down the software. Simply removing the factory Nav SD speeds things up a lot.
@@kekethetoad my own car is a ‘21, so no KPC. I’ve left traction control on for the most part while driving the ‘22 here for safety. It’s a subtle difference. Unfortunately the only soft tops I’ve driven were early ND1s. Some with the non performance shocks, some with early Bilsteins (which are valved stiffer). I will say while the softtops to feel a bit lighter, I don’t think roll is that different comparing Bilstein vs Bilstein. I think people associate roll with bad performance but the ND is specifically designed to grip under roll. I’ve driven very hard out here the last couple days, and I’ve never had a problem with it. I think if you’re the kind of person who likes to integrate body motions and weight transfer into their driving, it’s actually both very fun and capable on the street. AutoX and track I would understand going stiffer, but most people have more luck with coilovers than sways. Sways can cause the car to be snappy especially in the rear.
Good tip about factory nav, I'll take out the SD card and see how it affects it. Thats my one major gripe with this car, but I've owned Mazdas for 6 years now, so I knew what I was getting into :)
First thing I did when I got my Club convertible home was order Goodwin Racing Race exhaust for it. That solved the 'sound' issue. Now it's sounds more throaty and the car is way more fun to drive. As far as small trunk...Miata is a sports car, and a tiny one at that. It's made for the track, windy roads and leisure weekend drives. Of course it doesn't have a big trunk. Want trunk space? Get a Suburban. You don't buy a car like this then complain you can't get your 5 suitcases in it for a cross country trip. Your other complaints are valid as far as the infotainment system, knob placement, etc. But, that's what test drives are for. I have no regrets with mine. I bought it as the car is intended to be. A 2nd car that's meant for weekend fun in the sun on a windy road.
I don’t understand why reviewers compare the MX-5 and the BRZ. It’s apples and oranges: convertible/targa top v enclosed coupe; two-seater v four-seater; a featherweight sports car v a sports coupe that is 500 lb. heavier. BRZ dealers and loyalists can call the BRZ a sports car all they want, but it does not deliver the sports car experience, and speed has very little to do with that experience. The 2022 BRZ is faster than the MX-5 in both a straight line and around a track. But that still doesn’t make it a sports car. What we have here are two completely different automobiles for two different owner types. Nobody seriously considering one would buy the other. Instead, we should all be glad both these cars exist, and choose the one that meets our needs.
Reviewers compare these cars for very good reason. They are both affordable sports cars. And yes the 86/BRZ is a sports car. In fact one of the best examples of one and certainly more of a pure sports car than the Miata. The Miata has a little grand tourer baked in to appeal to the old people that generally buy it. A sports car is made for driving enjoyment created by the car faithfully following the driver's inputs and providing feedback to the driver while doing so. That's all a sports car is. Perhaps you are thinking a sports car needs to have an open top or two seats but that would be a roadster. "Nobody seriously considering one would buy the other" Speak for yourself, one of these cars is going to be my next car and I'm not sure which. That's why I'm watching this video!
Good opinions and thanks for the video. My thoughts: - BRZ doesn't have dual a-arms and cannot really align it from the factory - I Turo'd the car and from the interior, there is more than enough engine / interior sound - The BRZ with a muffler only sounds horrible as it is EL. The MX5 with an axle back sounds great - The EJ/FA engines from Subaru are a liability. I have not concerns about this with the MX5 engines and later gearboxes All your points / opinions are valid. However, I would and am taking the 38-40k MX5 RF Club over the BRZ*, any day of the week.
I agree overall! But on your second point I'd say the quality (not necessarily quantity) of engine sound is lacking. Obviously, super subjective in nature.
@@egorlike1324 just for input in my case, I am also 6' 235lbs and I had more than enough room (no motorsports other than autoX room with the top down) for my usecase and daily. This would be a daily for me, as I don't take stuff around with me. The family goes around in the family hauler, and this is a car I enjoy while getting 44mpg (when I am not driving hard on RE-71RS, I am just putting around). Both good cars. Purpose and personal tolerances matter!
I know bringing up aftermarket parts is a rabbit hole, but I think Mazda should have equipped at least the Club spec with something akin to Konis with Sport springs. The stock Bilsteins just aren't doing any justice to that chassis and the 60's Roadster body roll novelty wears off quickly. I know the average buyer of ND2s is either at or deep into retirement, but what's what a more plush "Grand Touring" spec should be for. I have Fox coilovers on mine, and love them for aggressive street/mountains. Also,, I have to give Mazda a huge shoutout for NO REV HANG at all.
Yes you can do Costco runs, no problem. Last week I bought a package or toilet paper and a 4-pack of beer and it fit perfectly in my ND. I wanted a 6--pack instead of a 4-pack, but I didn't think it would fit.
Owned a 2022 RF. I agree with your points good and bad. What'd I'd like to add. 1. Infotainment is hella slow. CarPlay even through USB is VERY laggy (1-2 seconds) 2. The weird shudder the car sometimes has around 15-20 MPH (others confirmed this too) 3. I only really did city driving so I had about 28-29 MPH The car isn't geared well for the highway and 75 MPH puts you around 3200 RPM which kills the mileage
Good video. I own a 2018 Fiat 124 Spider Abarth, which is about two-thirds similar to this ND MX-5. I agree with your Likes: excellent driving dynamics, premium quality look and feel, comfortable interior, solid architecture, decent ride, and excellent fuel economy, even when you drive it hard. With regards to your Dislikes, I agree that the Mazda infotainment system is frustrating to say the least. I'd go as far as to say that it is trash. The thing takes forever to connect, Bluetooth gets dropped regularly, every thing takes way too many clicks to accomplish --which becomes a distraction when you are driving. My 124 Spider uses the Abarth 1.4T engine, which sounds absolutely glorious, so I can't comment on the sound of the Mazda 2.0. I was surprised with your assessment of the interior, though. I am 6'0" and a 200 lbs: I fit perfectly. Getting in-and-out takes a little bit of doing, but once inside the car fits like a glove. I noticed you had the cupholder in place. I find that spot too constricting so I keep it mounted next to the passenger side of the console. Not having the cupholder back there opens up a precious elbow room when you are shifting and using the center knob. Finally, I don't find the trunk that small. I can carry 4-5 Trader Joe's grocery bags standing up, which is not shabby compared to the trunk in my 2001 NB...which barely big enough for a briefcase.
Hi, is this the one with the new improved engine at 181 Bhp? In went for a test drive and it was way louder and had more vibration than my old 1.5 Miata (EU spec) . For reference, I've test driven the old 2.0 at 155 Bhp too. The new 181 BHP engine is just not defined enough for my taste. You can feel the engine vibrations through the chassis, steering, gear lever etc and the engine noise is way too loud for a GT car which is what I wanted. I agree that, the character has been kept and that it's an even better track car but I had no intention of doing that. Does anyone else find the level of noise and vibration too much?
2020 100th Anniversary Soft Top for me. Love it. Manual is the only way to go in this car! One gripe is mine left the factory with the soft top defect where it rubs the back of the roll bar covers when open. Mazda replaced the top and covers and made adjustments but it still surprises me how it passed the quality check. Not very Japanese!
Solid review! You hit the nails on the head! I have same model and 14 months in it. The "surprise" positives: great headlights. (weird thing to notice, but tru). Solid Bose sound system. The "mainstream" positives: great shifter, great appearance, good economy, good steering. The biggest downfalls are the "friday afternoon engineering": The cockpit/driving position is terrible. It's cramped, and the steering wheel sits at your belly-button if you are 5'10" (the Avg height in US market), legs are also always cramped. Add to that the rearview mirror that is huge and from 1990, and you feel even more cramped. The interior has no storage, and the handling is fine until you push it, and then it falls apart. It produces "neutral" handling at speed, not by having extra front grip, but rather by making the rear unstable. The engine sounds like a lawn mower too. (my wife's description, not mine) LOL! The infotainment is a disaster and crashes all the time. I still enjoy the car tho. But I am on wait list to get either the BRZ or the manual supra and it looks like it will be years......
Nice review & agree with the points you made here. I have a 2016 Club soft top with the BBS wheels / Brembo brake package. Its been my daily drive for 5 years plus real winter driving in Northern Illinois winters. Overall its been a surprisingly good daily driver that added a fun factor only a select few cars can do. Most of those cars cost 3 or 4 times more though.
I've watched numerous ND Miata videos and this is by far the best one. It's genuine, very informative and straight to the point! You have earned yourself a new sub. Also, are you in the Dublin / Pleasanton area in California?
2024 GT owner. My biggest gripe is the infotainment knob. Mazda has to get rid of that if they are going to make more Miatas. Firstly, it is not intuitive. People will say that you get used to it but all it says is exactly that: it is unintuitive. Because if it was, people like me would use it efficiently from the get go. The infotainment system as a whole is also unintuitive (and my ND3 has the better one compared to previous generations apparently... Yikes) But the worst part of that knob is that in spirited driving, my forearm keeps hitting it, starting the radio or getting me out of Google maps. Thia knob must go. Everything else about the Miata, Mazda got it right *if* you keep in mind what is the essence of this car. Being a car to haul stuff is not one of them. I also own an NA. One thing that I miss from it in the ND is it's steering rack. The NA steering is so much more communicative. But overall, big big big kudos to Mazda for sticking to what has always made the Miata so special: small size and lightweight.
I'm 5'7 same weight but I fit just fine? Or it could be because I have a soft top GT. I've heard the soft tops are a little bit more roomy as for head room rather than the rf
Nice feedback, Had my ‘17 RF LE 6 yrs and ❤ it. Agree with info system sluggishness and knob position, I hit knob a few time…trunk size being too small has been on all gens. Owned all for gens over 27 yrs, the trunk size is closer to NA minus spare tire which made NA had to fit anything. NB the spare under the trunk floor, but trunk was now very shallow, not deep. Cabin size wise is fine or better for me… 6ft 1inch no issues where on NA a bump, my head would hit the stop top. Exhaust Sound is perfect, you should drive a NA it was much louder with stock exhaust and road noise was bad due to lack of sound insulation and you have to crank the radio up loud, I be deaf in fairly quick in all generations, but sound insulation got better in later generation, NC engine sound like it pinged more and tan better on super unleaded and less tapping on the valves.
Got a solution for TWO of your "4 things you hate"... (for starters) install Borla exhaust system... more power, better tune. Had one on my NC.... sweet!
The problem with the comparison with a BRZ is that it’s not a convertible. So if you want a drop top experience there is nothing else affordable like this Miata unless you,buy an Ecoboost Mustang and that’s easily $40k and much different driving experience. So I just got a 2023 GT RF like this with a manual and the MSRP was $37,510. I got a discount and paid $35k. So after taxes and fees it’s about $38k. Not cheap BUT what else is there? The really best deal is the Base soft top Sport Miata which is about $29k. You are right about how small it is. If you want a larger sports car there’s the Mustang Ecoboost.
As a 6ft ND2 soft top owner I can kind of agree with most of the comments. 1inch seat drop bracket did wonders. Race muffler wakes up the sound and everyone who hears it agrees. A full cart of groceries OR an adult man can fit in the trunk(we were bored at a car meet). Had issues with the infotainment but dealer says its normal...so that's my only "hate" at the moment...okay, maybe the lack of recline room but other than that, it's an amazing car to drive.
Hi there I added Paco sear rails and I have lost 2 to 3 inches leg room in exhcange for the new great lowered searing position. What type of rails did you use I am considering changeing. did you notice loss of leg room?
@@hypnotechno I added the same rails(Paco). Didn't notice any loss in leg room, but I adjusted the front seat pad all the way up for support. I don't have the seat all the way back either since I need to recline the seat a little so my helmet will fit, but it's still enough to keep the leg in right position so I can heel/toe. I thought about those other adjustable rails, but no one else really drives my car so I chose to save the money for other goodies. (GR race exhaust!!!)
I was intrigued by your account of an adult man in the trunk. So I checked the numbers and it looks like a tight fit but possible if your small. At 245lbs I occupy about 4 cubic ft. The Miata's trunk is 4.59 cubic ft. I definitely wouldn't fit considering inevitable air gaps. Your buddy had to be small and not claustrophobic!
My 2017 RF Infotainment system has a mind of its own (screen keeps changing without my requesting it to do so, FAVORITES radio not remembered, USB-connected mp3 player cuts out after 2 minutes of playing). The dealer wants $200 for a firmware upgrade and $1,500 for a new CMU(?) if that does not work. Mazda USA was totally unsympathetic since it is out of warranty. Any suggestions? Thanks!
My Veloster N was T-boned and totaled in April, and while I wanted a BRZ they were still unobtanium at the time so I went with a 2020 ND RF and I couldn't be happier. I agree with all the points, both love and hate, that you bring up. A new exhaust mostly fixes the sound issues, but I would still like more induction noise (new exhaust does hurt the MPG though -- I can't help but rev it out always to hear it scream). Curious to hear what you thought about the "kinetic posture control" system in the 2022 that uses the breaks to combat the infamous ND lean. I'm adding coil overs as soon as the Miata is out of the shop (yeah, got rear ended after 3 months of ownership).
@@kr2426 LIttle quality of life things mostly. The auto rev match was great on the VN for someone who's still not great at heel+toe (even after 28 years of driving only manuals), and all the adjustability (valved exhaust, adjustable dampers) really made the N car tweakable to individual drivers (or moods). I'd like to say I don't miss the ~90 horsepower difference in the Miata, but all the Mazda's intangibles more than make up for it.
My biggest nitpick with my 2019 ND2 Club is that Mazda should be insulating the car better. Yes I know it's a small roadster, but I'm not referring to road noise. The road noise is part of the reason I bought the car. It's the interior NVH that's problematic. This has always been a bit of a grievance of mine with many of Mazda's cars, and I've had several. The interior trim panels of the ND are nice, but are prone to rattles due to a lack of sound deadening. There are areas where the plastic trim is a bit cheap, and it makes direct contact with other cheap plastic trim, wiring, loose/rattling clips or fasteners, all behind the trim panels, and the MX-5's firm ride exacerbates the problem, particularly at low speeds. Sure it's possible to take the whole interior apart and apply sound deadening spray or even matting to problem areas, but that shouldn't be on the owner and an OEM solution would be better engineered. A little sound deadening material wouldn't add significant weight, a few pounds at most, and is only a marginal cost. Most of the mid-premium segment does a nice job insulating interior panels, and luxury marques have inserts that snap into place behind trim panels to give them an upscale and solid feel. Mazda definitely wants to play in that league given the thought they're putting into their other interiors, and there's no reason that can't be carried that over to the MX-5 too.
I have a 2022 RS, the Aust equivalent of the Club. Im 5 ft 8 and if anything the seat is a touch low, certainly not high. Yes, you would have trouble if you were much over 6 feet, but I have a lot of headroom and have to move the seat forward. The touch screen is easily programmed to work whilst the car is moving, it’s in the settings. Here the MX5 is the same price as the BRZ/86. I was considering a BRZ but they are a lot heavier, about 550lbs. Also the Boxer engine has a bad reputation for cylinder head problems (400,000 recalled in 2019 and still problems), and the 2021 issues of sealant lodging in the oilways ending up with the current class action law suit. Too risky for me.
I have an ND1, and honestly, my only complaints are the interior rattles, the lack of steering column extention, and the seat is mounted too high. The seating position is much better in the Scion FRS I drove. Also, the engine could really use 25-50 ft/lbs more torque...even in the ND2. Overall, this is the best drivers car for the money in my opinion. The FRS/BRZ/GR86 would be equal or better if they didn't have those damn NA boxer engines with the torque dip....even the new ones still have that issue.
And the weird bump on the floor where the drivers rests his left foot - this is in the English right hand drive version, dunno about left hand drive cars.
How's the road noise with the RF? I'm looking at this car in a serious way, but I regularly make road trips that are 1600+ miles and a lot of the time I'm going 75 to 80 mph. Current car is a 3rd gen Mazda3 and I absolutely adore it but I want something a little closer to legitimate sports car territory.
I've owned NB, NC, ND Soft top and now ND RF Grand touring.... love the car... 2 dislikes missed... info tainment on all versions has no weather application... would have liked that since I have the top down whenever I can and with my soft top I have been caught in a shower a couple of times. Not a big issue, but it takes more time with the RF to get the top up, so I tend to be more cautious about just dropping the top and going. Also, I don't love the drainage system as it is expensive to clear out and not for a beginner to do themselves unlike the soft top..
Would love to hear your thoughts on interior road/tire/wind noise especially considering this is the RF. My guess is the BRZ would edge out if they were hypothetically on the exact same tire, but who knows! I'd also like to hear a little about your thoughts on the audio systems.
BRZ has lower road/tire noise but it's not a night and day difference in my opinion. Wind noise is still a slight problem with the RF at highway speed in windy conditions. Miata's sound system is easily better, but still sounds like a budget system.
If you also factor in that this is a convertible, the RF model is more of a targa when opened, and the RF pillars cause a HUGE increase in wind noise while driving it. So, comparing noise levels for the ND2 RF with the top up, with a BRZ, is really only valid if you never plan to put the top down. And if that’s what you’re going to do, BRZ all the way.
Acceptable NVH???? Wow, you had me up until this comment. My wife's ND1 (2019) RF GT with the GT-S package is incredibly loud compared to any other car I have driven! She downloaded a sound meter app for her phone and we routinely register 80+ decibels top up or down. To compare, my MY00 S2000 registers low to mid 70s WITH THE TOP DOWN!!! I agree with your comments on the new engine and shifter (try a counter sunk shift knob for a real comparison to the S2K!). About the only thing I would change is a shorter throw--counter sunk knob helped a lot with this and doesn't "void the warranty" which my wife will not allow me to do. I agree with pretty much every other point you make.
Does the manufacture even say that engine needs 91 octane? With prices lately its getting hard to have a turbo so I'd like something that's happy with 87.
I have an abarth with stuffed turbo I’d argue that with the set up it’s the perfect car wish they would’ve continued the abarth and kept updating it. The Miata is pretty much one of a kind in this segment because of convertible, just wish it had more aggressive driving and better exhaust note.
Currently in the market for a fun daily driver. I considered the Miata but decided on the BRZ (coming in Oct). Recently came across a 2018 BMW M240i with the B58 I6, and although a different car altogether, it had me wondering if I would be happier having a better daily driver rather than having a more fundamental sports car, the BRZ. Have you ever considered a luxury performance car, which focuses on 2 missions (performance and comfort) rather than one? I suspect they compromise on too many of the core drivers car fundamentals (steering, weight, engagement) for your taste. Also wonder how highly you value the engine when deciding on a car, as I feel one of the weaker traits of the BRZ is its engine. Would love to hear anyone's thoughts.
I sold an M235i for a ND2 Miata. Had them both in my driveway for about a week while I was finishing up the sale to Carvana which who offered me a stupid amount of money during the peak of Covid, so I had several chances to drive them back to back. The Baby M is a nice, refined luxury-sports car that makes a great daily driver if you don't want to make too many concessions for "sports car". I took it on a long 2,000+ mile road trip up to Blue Ridge and passing through the Tail of the Dragon along the way, and had a blast. BMW inline 6's are marvelous engines and the N55/B58 is a perfect pair with that chassis. I really think the 2-Series is the last true BMW "driver's car" and the spiritual successor to the E46 and E36. Dimensionally, it's as large as it needs to be and I was never left wanting for space. What I WAS left wanting for was less weight and a more connected feeling. The car was just kind of a porker on the scales and wasn't much lighter than the 3-series of the same generation. That becomes evident when you really start to push it. It was also very numb, and you never knew quite what the tires were doing underneath you from either the seat or the steering. It was an isolation chamber of sorts, and that's not quite what I look for in a vehicle. Conversely, the ND2 is what I was describe as...raw? It's really reminiscent of the more sporty 1990s era sports cars I grew up driving. It's a hard thing to describe, but it feels like what a 90's era sports car would be like if you gave it a modern electronics suite, a modern interior, suspension/chassis, and modern fueling. The electronic throttle is nicely linear, but the ECU programming does some little trickery on the overrun to smooth out engine braking so off throttle transitions are super slick. There's also ZERO of the rev-hang that plagues so many modern manual transmission cars. It's little touches like this that add in a bit of refinement, without disconnecting you from the experience. The entire powertrain feels like it was designed around an h-pattern instead of them just offering it to shut up internet car people. This is what a lot of manual trannies in modern BMW products feel like to me. They feel plasticky and dull, like an afterthought. Fundamentally, the ND is a sports car in the purest sense of the word, and isn't compromised by concessions in some attempt to make it anything else or please a wide audience. It functions well as a daily driver if you can contend with the obvious limitations on space, but their attempt to check that box didn't come at a detriment of the overarching principle behind what it is. With the exception of my Ducati Multistrada, I've come to learn that I quickly get bored with "jack of all trades" vehicles. When I'm itching for a sports car drive, I want a sports car. You can hustle a Macan around a race track, would embarrass a lot of other cars, but you'd probably rather be doing it in a 911 or Cayman, you know? Currently, the Miata is scratching that itch, at least for now. The M235i will go down as probably one of my favorite cars I've ever owned, however, I'm not at a point in my life where it slots in for me.
@@opmike343 Wow thanks so much for the insightful reply! As someone who doesn't have a lot of experience with sports cars, I was really tempted by the online impressions of the M240i but going for the test drive I definitely felt what you described, the weight and especially the numbness of the steering. I even started looking into used M2s in the hope of a more connected feel, but I think I'm starting to realize the BRZ's fundamental advantages like weight, low CoG, and a better manual experience are invaluable, especially since I'd be on the streets more than on the track. Starting from a dedicated sports car chassis and trying to make it a better daily driver, rather than trying to make a daily driver sporty, seems to be the difference. Hell, it'd even be a better financial decision to get the $30,000 vs $50,000 car. Thanks again, I'll definitely wait for the BRZ over the tempting but hollow luxury alternatives.
You are right about the infotainment though it really sucks. My wife has a Kia Stinger and the infotainment is instant on and snappy fast. With the Miata it will be 30 seconds or sometimes even more before Apple car plays starts working. Stinger the second you plug in the phone apple car is there instantly.
Add 2 more inches of legroom and a powerful V-6 and the Miata would be the perfect sportscar, better than a Corvette, a Porsche or even a Ferrari, and at a tiny fraction of the cost.
I agree on the two inches but the V-6 will never happen. The car would be too heavy, too heavy in the front, too polluting and cost way more. And no, it still wouldn't be better than those other cars.
If you want a trunk look at my 1997 Honda Del Sol Si. It has a real trunk. The caveat is that the roof is manual. I still find this car entertaining after driving it for 25 years and 212,600 miles.
I think 100% of us clicked on this video thinking 'what 4 things could you possibly hate in this car?' ...then realised none of them were reasonable complaints. I'm 5'11, 185 lbs and fit perfectly fine in my NB2 Miata. I've driven an ND1 & ND2 on a closed course and those things were phenomenal and even more ergonimic. Of course they aren't SUVs, so you're not going to be getting much storage space. It's like saying 'One of the things I hate about this hat is that you can't wear it like a sweater.' sorry, but this video was pretty click-bait-y.
#5 thing I hate you could have added.....not enough color options. I wish Mazda offered as many color options as Dodge, Ford, and Chevy do for their sports cars.
I got news for you: That’s not a 2022 you are driving, it’s a 2021. The 2022 MX-5 is only available in Deep Crystal Blue in Club trim, not the Grand Touring. It was available in 2021 as a Grand Touring.
I wish there was more truck room or just more space in back in case of a rearend collision accident, even though I don't own one I wouldn't feel safe in one.
Aygrene, isn't the only reviewer to complain about the trunk space, etc., however, it they were to review a Morgan Roadster at approximately $90k and up depending on the accessories, they may not come with a radio. None come with a trunk and I've heard no one complain about that. So! Mazda should raise the price to approximately $90K which would get rid of all the space complaints.
It's interesting, I felt like the MX5 had very little road texture feedback through the steering which surprised me. Felt numb to me, coming from an FRS. So That's the opposite of what you said.
I had one of those - ND2 2019. I highly not recommended this car. Sold it in less then a year. The car body roll was a disaster in corners!!! (It was never super comfortable, but I exchanged the springs which made the car into a lovely go-cart, but ruined the comfort even more), the car is just slow... c'mon it's slow, any other bmw or VW or audi estate is just as fast or faster (straight run I got destroyed by an audi a5). The practically of miata is not existing, transporting a silly shelf from Ikea in Miata - impossible. I'm 183 cm and it was too small for me, I kept on hitting everything with my elbows. The RF is a bad choice as going over 70+ km/h the noise the wind makes hitting the pillars makes it impossible to have a conversation, soft top is cheaper and a much better choice, you can go faster on a freeway. The paintwork - lovely but the paint is super thin, very easy to scratch. So someone would say "yeah what do you expect it's a sports car with RWD, you can throw the back around, that's the point" - my question is WILL YOU ? Seriously will you ? Do you have a place where you can legally throw the back around ? Do you have enough money to comfortably throw 30+k USD around and risk hitting a lamp post ? No, most of us don't so in reality you will be stuck with an expensive, hopelessly impractical toy. It's like having a built in screen in your fridge or a photo frame in your baking oven - you can have it, you can pay for it, but you know it's useless. On the plus side: The car is quite fun in case you have a place to legally have fun in it, the steering is great, it does not cost a lot to insure (at least in my country) and it does not consume too much fuel. You can rev it high and it will not take more than 9l per 100km. The gearbox is ok, but I found the one in Hyundai i30n better (or a Veloster in US)
@@Zygrene that's totally fair, but I took immediate exception to the comment too haha. My least favorite thing about the ND was easily the steering (we had a 2016 Grand Touring), but that's comparing it to the NA and NC we also have/had. They are both infinitely better but yea...hydraulic racks. I also preferred the EPS of the mk7.5 Golf R over the ND. The lack of effort/resistance was just a bit too low for me. We still enjoyed the heck out of it haha. I prefer the shifter in the NC as well, but there's no such thing as a Miata that came with a poor shifter lol. It's almost like complaining about your least favorite $100 bill 😂😂
@@Zygrene I felt nd2 steering is precise without any play in the center, but it does feel numb compared to brz. I just couldn't feel the road from nd's steering wheel.
Mazda does not care about infotainment because they are focused on making a DRIVERS car- not another gadget. I used to have a 89 Honda Prelude and adding a short cold air intake did wonders for the intake growl! I wonder if the same could be done to this model of Miata!
The styling of the mx-5 is significantly better than the BRZ in my opinion as well. ND2 RF is one of the most beautiful cars in production right now (in my opinion). BRZ is cute too, but the RF is just on a different level.
Hey man, did your girlfriend comment at all on the transmission hump on the passenger side of the car? I've sat there at the dealership and it doesn't seem like it would be too comfortable on a long trip.
Zygirlfriend here - I did not notice the transmission hump at all. The passenger side was fairly comfortable for me, but I’m a tiny human being so that may be why. 🤷🏻♀️
As a 124 owner, I can agree with a lot of the crossover experiences we share with the platform / chassis. The 124 is quieter due to the heavier graded glass than the Mazda windshield. Infotainment system I was able to tweak due to Mazda firmware not having that pesky security update in the later gens, but it's still slow lol I'm 5'8" and 215lbs and don't feel cramped tbh, but I do wish there were more options with the OEM seats... Lower would be nicer for sure. Have you gotten the chance to drive a 124 as comparison between the ND2?
Actually a 2017 Fiat 124 Abarth with Brembo brakes was the 1st test drive in these convertible sport cars & a video review of one caught my eye. I have to say it left me wanting a better clutch feel & less notchy shifter. Also the turbo lag from a stop was not what I expected. So the next day I went to the Mazda dealer for a 2016 Club soft top test drive that lasted a whole weekend. The MX-5 was a blast ! Completely different in how they drive.
@@ag4allgood i am in doubt if buing a 124 spider or a mazda mx5 2.0 rf. I love them both. I just tried the 124 and i love it. And even if I think the 124 has a great design i believe the mx5 rf would be more practical for me in therms of everyday use because of the roof top. I am in Italy and i look for a used one. At the moment there are very few to buy from the used market. But I am almost 100% that the mx5 rf 2.0 would be a great choice.
@@lucianolucidi8624 Luciano , yes the Mazda MX-5 would be the better choice. However your Italian blood may tell you its the Fiat 124 Spyder. In my eyes the Mazda MX-5 was clearly better even though I wanted to go Italia ! Everything in the actual driving experience said MX-5 was the better car.
@@ag4allgoodi personally already have a car with 1.4 multiair engine. Great engine considering how small it is. It pushes well and it sounds good. I also like the retro design of the 124. But I am thinking the mx5 rf must be the best choice for me cause I could use it as an everyday car also in winter time. It also have a more modern design wich looks more as a bullet shape and seems shorter. Then the aspirated engine its definitely the purest way for an authentic sporty driving esperience and the 7500 rpm that reaches makes me dream more about my old alfa romeo spider from 1989 I used to drive when I was younger. The 124 on the other hand will be a unique car soon because of the very short production period it had. Anyway yes I think I would go for the mx5 rf 2.0.
I know a lot of people compare the BRZ to the MX5 but frankly you are getting a more dedicated sportscar (less practicality) AND a convertible for a bit more money. I dont think it is fair to the Miata. Because theres just no comparison for light weight. Mazda could have lengthened the car an added 2 more back seats and more trunk space.....but to the detriment of driving pleasure which they dont want to sacrifice. The 10 mpg extra and bulletproof reliability is a bonus.
Amen. Plus, BRZ consumes significantly more fuel, so that should be taken into account when comparing the price.
@@andycalifornia426 Exactly. Ive read the BRZ also has oil consumption issues because they use a 0w20. In fact oil consumption is mentioned in the Subaru manual and is considered normal. All just to meet EPA ratings at the cost of overall reliability. The Miata uses a 5w30 after making less horsepower AND being lighter......go figure.......😄
Softtop is disgusting. A hardtop is a must.
@@clearcut6818 Can't disagree with that, especially if you have to park outdoors or don't clean it very often.
Add 2 back seats? Stfu
I just bought a new 23’ RF GT in the most magnificent color of Soul Red Crystal metallic a few weeks ago and I’m loving it! This is my fourth Miata. I’ve had a 1991, 2001, 2006’ and now this 2023’. I was 31 when I bought the first one and I’m 63 today so I’ve been driving them for decades now. Trust me when I tell ya that this fourth generation is hands down the pinnacle of all Miata’s. It’s so much more refined from all aspects. The quality and the workmanship of the car is in line with much more expensive cars and it’s simply a beautiful little car. The RF version with the retractable hardtop is just so friggen cool and much quieter with the top up. No more mildew cleaning of the soft tops or the need to replace them after years gone by. Ok, no it’s not a true drop top with the complete open air type convertible top but I’m fine with the Targa top. His dislikes are duly noted but you’ve gotta realize that it’s a tiny two seater roadster for folks who appreciate a drivers car which it truly is. I push mine into corners pretty hard and run the tach with probably the best the six speed gearbox out there. It’s really more like a 181 HP go-cart with a Miata body. If you’re looking for roominess in a car, a Miata is not it. I’m not a big dude so it suits me just fine. If anyone reading this is thinking about getting one, I promise you won’t regret it and remember me when you’re driving yours with that big grin on your face 😊.
2024 coming out in a few weeks
I drive a '21 Mazda3 awd turbo. My wife, however, currently drives a '13 factory track tuned Club edition MX5 retractable hardtop and just picked up a (new to her) '23 RF GT MX5. I'm 52 yo, 6'2" tall, and around 210lbs. I fit in both the NC and ND perfectly fine. And they are, without a doubt, the finest handling cars I've ever driven. I'm still hoping I can someday convince the wife to add a turbo to the NC. It would be insane!
ND1 soft top Club owner here and this review is spot on. The only thing is that my car is ludicrously loud on the highway. Sometimes I really wish I’d given the RF a try. All this aside, bottom line on the MX-5 is that it’s engineered perfectly for its mission: peak driving fun on public roads.
my cars are never loud enough! if the engine is t screaming then you are doing it wrong
@@fortheloveofnoise clearly, you’ve never driven a slammed RX-8 with a gutted cat and cheap straight-thru exhaust 3 hours on the highway to an autocross.
@@boffam00 Ive been thinking about buying an rx8 or mx5 . . . i want both lol
@@yaminerenri both are wonderful, but the ND is more fun to drive and a hell of a lot more economical.
All affordable convertibles are loud at highway speed, it's not really Miata-specific
I own an S2K and drove my friends RF this past weekend. I couldn't believe how good the shifter was, even coming from my car. Great review!
Hey I'm debating on this model of miata amor an ap1 what do you think man?
So disgraceful to refer to its majesty Honda S2000 as “s2k” shame on you!
@@deanmiller5303 ones 500lb heavier no low end torque but 9k rpm redline and great tuner market, and one is a lot more linear, friendly and light but less performance out of the box
Thank you for your review. As a fellow owner of an MX5 GT RF, I find your comments interesting and reflect how the likes/dislikes are very personal. It is a given that the size of the Miata will impose some limitations that owners will have to live with, or not. It sounds like you have tested the car over only a limited time, so you likely don't have the benefit of living with it for an extended period and learned how to mitigate its "inconveniences". As a 5'10" 185 lb person, my Miata is a tight fit, but after some time of living with it I have found a set of seat and steering wheel settings that make it very comfortable to drive, even on 6-7 hour road trips. I disagree with your opinion about the lack of touch capability on the screen; yes Mazda could have done it but they have opted to prioritize safety over convenience and I agree with them. The small trunk is again a given with this type of vehicle and if you need to haul more luggage, you can purchase a luggage rack to attach to the top of the trunk. As for lack of engine noise, I think this is a personal and perhaps generational preference; I'm probably some thirty years older than you and can quite frankly do with less noise rather than more. Concerning the price, yes it is not cheap, but I find many Miata owners where I live (Canada) tend to be older/retired and own such a car for strictly summer fun driving. One of the advantages of the Miata that isn't mentioned by anyone is the fact that it is a convertible; the BRZ or GR86 simply aren't in the running if you want the open air experience.
Cheers 🙂
Generally agree with your comments except about the touch screen. I personally think that using the rotating wheel is more distracting than the touch screen as it takes more time to scroll around. Apart from that it’s a fun car. 2021 sport mx5
@@brucebolduc3403 tbh I don't think manufacturers should be going for any kind of physical interaction at all. I have an nb1 and I've simply chopped a Bluetooth module and mic into the old tape deck line in, put in a good panavise phone mount and I do absolutely everything with voice commands, except volume which is the knob. I do the same Im all my other vehicles. I don't touch them at all, I just use voice. Don't know what folks are doing with their infotainment, all I do is tell it to play songs or playlists or navigate to . Dunno what else you'd need to do while driving.
@@throwback19841 my other car is a Tesla and Everything runs with the touchscreen
@@brucebolduc3403 bit different when your car literally drives itself. Anyway, you still only need to tell it what temperature you want it to be, where you want to go, or what you want to listen to. If there's anything else you want to faff around with you should pull over and do it safely by the side of the road or just use voice commands. All this tech is just a substitute for a good passenger/codriver who does those things for you.
Are turn signals, lights and wipers on the tablet in a Tesla as well? In car tech should be aimed specifically at ensuring the driver can keep both hands on the wheel, both eyes on the road, and free of distractions. Anything else is faffing/unnecessary/something you can pull over and do safely by the side of the road.
@@brucebolduc3403 The screen is touch-sensitive when the car is stopped.
I owned a ND1 Miata GT soft top and, at 6ft tall, I had zero issues with comfort in that car. In fact, I had more than an inch to spare above my head. That said, mine was a soft top, not the RF, and that makes a bit of a difference. The soft top is the better overall experience anyway, in my opinion, because it's way cheaper and you get the full open air experience. Also, I love the sound of this engine, especially the revised ND2 version.
I agree with you but I purchased an RF anyway because I love the styling of the RF and the easier maintenance of the top. Cloth will show the wear and tear after time especially if you keep it outside in extreme weather. The hardtop is way easier to clean and seems more solid on the road with top up. But as you say, it’s definitely not the total convertible experience, a so if I decide I rather have a soft top I’ll trade later. These cars are all a blast to drive and so affordable compared to a Boxster or Z4.
That's all true.. buuuut it's a soft top. If you're going to track the car then yes it only makes sense to get a soft top. Otherwise; it will look like trash in 3 years and absolutely annihilate your value. If you live in the LA or the city, someone will probably use that opportunity to break into your vehicle.
@@SupraSav Having owned a soft top Miata for 4 years and 40000 miles, I can say from experience that this is absolute nonsense. People who say this simply don't know how to care for a cloth top properly. You have to keep it clean and protected and there are plenty of excellent products available for this task. My car looked like new when I sold it, which is why I got top dollar for it. If you don't take care of it, of course, anything will look like crap in a few years.
3.49 - he doesn't object to the squinty-eye look! Hilarious.
Us round-eyes couldn't get away with that statement!
Seriously, a very honest and fair appraisal.
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I'm 6' 1" and 220 lbs. I don't get in my MX-5, I put it on. I wouldn't have it any other way though, that thing is such a blast to drive.
I'm 6'3" and 245. I do fit. The gear shift feels to close. Put that top down though and the car makes all the sense in the world!
interesting, I"m 6'3 and curious if I would fit....
2020 GT owner here. 6' weighing in at 245. The space takes a bit to get used to. Also the infotainment once up is fine, and if u utilize the top 3 buttons really is better than ppl realize.
I owned an NC for 14 years and last year changed to a new ND. I think the hydraulic rack on the NC was better than the electric one in the ND, which feels less 'talkative' especially around the straight ahead position.
I’ve owned over 5 NA Miata’s and never once have I had a female passenger complain, they all love them!
My biggest grip with the ND is the interior size being smaller than that of an NA!
Sorry but this is not true at all… am 6’1 and cant fit on a NA and my ND is like perfect any smaller and i wouldn’t fit, the interior design is on another level compared to the Na, its more comparable
To my old NC
@@gigi9467 that heavily depends on your body type though (torso vs legs). I've seen other people that it is true for as well. When we had an ND I also felt like it had less room than the NA did, and I'm only 5'9".
I really like both the NA & NB designs, including the simplicity of the interiors. Due to their clean, straightforward designs these older Miata's age so gracefully. I don't care for the infotainment screen in the ND (or in general for that matter). Such systems are going to be outdated in no time at all.
@@VirtualGuth Tech dates everything, looking forward to a future of just phone mirroring on a replaceable screen.
@@ricepony33 Yes, this is why many older cars that were built before tech became a factor in vehicle design are still considered timeless today. For me, when it comes to sports cars the simpler the better. Others feel differently and that is largely why GT's came to exist.
@1:35 looks like you are bebopping around Pleasanton. Confirmed when I saw the sigh for Black Ave later on. Great review, glad you enjoyed the car
I have a 2020 RF and I'm getting around 40 mpg (highway miles). The trunk is very tiny but you have to adjust your expectations when shopping. My Costco shopping has definitely changed, limited to a few items but this thing is fun to drive and works well for me as a commuter vehicle.
You paid 36 grand for Miata? Do you have any self-respect? At that price? Why didn’t you just buy it gently used BMW Z4?
I was originally planning on getting a GR86 as my next car but since moving back home I don't really need the space to carry around anything more than food and a friend. I been thinking about going for one of these instead but being in New York and it would be my only car, I'd have to get the hard top. It's about $4k more than a GR86 Premium which I could justify for the convertible tax, better feeling controls, lighter weight, and better gas mileage. I just need to make sure I can fit in one haha
@@username8644 I actually feel the opposite. I’ve only seen a nd in person once and it was from the back but I’ve seen the brz/gr86 in every color and the matte black plastic on the front and the back of the brz86 make it look cheap to me. The RF miata looks very exotic and much better from the side but im leaning towards the soft top for it’s ease of use
@ username. Very uneducated comment
21 RF owner and I agree with most of your points. I think Mazda shied away from the cliche exhaust/engine drone and went for refinement. The RF is a super fun toy and an absolute perfect driving experience. For Costco runs I happily take my Raptor 😎.
You must be well off if you have a Raptor.
@@chrisx5127
Dude, it's never a safe assumption. The percentage of people in America who are in insane debt just to own a vehicle as comically stupid as a Raptor is... staggeringly depressing.
@@diabx0r Damn! Math isn't even that hard!
About the induction noise, you can get greater induction just by replacing the existing sound tube with marine exhaust tubing. VelocityGT has great videos on it. It sounds amazing, like classic VTEC and old 86's
Induction noise you could start right off the bat and not buy a Mazda. Did anyone ever consider buying a gently used BMW Z4?
@@chrisk920 lmao good one
I own a 2020 RF GT and my only complaint is rattling noises in the interior. It has about 20k miles on it now so some trim isn't holding up too good. But when u got the AC on and/or music or the top down you don't hear the rattles so its a minor issue.
On my 2016 model I get 30mpg city and 40+ mpg highway (when I use 87 octane). One con I have is the gas channel that the gas goes down into the tank has a narrow circumference so the pump will auto stop gas when it hits 9 gallons or so. I have to manually stand there and fill the other 2+ gallons up until it's almost up to the brim. Sometimes it's not worth the effort, but hey a few months ago on a road trip I went 485 miles on one tank of gas!
You should also know that the vehicle has Apple car play and android auto, it's not wireless though and your phone has to be plugged into the top USB port- the one with the phone icon. I feel you though, Mazda's software is pretty garbo.
Ironically I've daily'd mine for 2-3 years now and I'm 6' 1" and I fit quite snug, but since my arms sit higher than yours I don't have any of the issues with the center console as you do.
Just hit 90,000 miles on mine and never had any issues. Just regular maintenance (other than some cosmetic dings and TLC things such as unclogging the soft top drains so the footwells don't flood)!
2019 MX-5 ND2 owner here.
He hit a lot of good points, but I have a different opinion on some of the conclusions. He mentioned hitting the cup holders, having the car as a daily driver, and honestly when you do own and drive the car every day, it is way less of a concern. I have probably hit it maybe twice this year, but I generally know it's there and avoid it, I've found a comfortable driver position. I'd say that's more a problem for someone who owns the car as a second or third car, as you don't get as used to it.
I immediately changed my exhaust, and I love the way the car sounds. Good win racing has exhausts that will excite anyone, and it's THE way to customize your experience.
Infotainment sucks.... I have android auto, and on comparison TO EVERY OTHER CAR, I have trouble using all the features, and get SUPER frustrated with it, all the time, I have to scroll with the knob and go through 3 different menus to change the FM radio station while using Google maps... just let me use the touchscreen like a normal car.
Comparing the MX-5 to the GR-86 or BRZ on price is a bit unfair but not entirely. First off, that car was co-developed by two massive car companies, whereas Mazda in comparison is quite small, and kills it with this car. Second, the GR-86 was JUST redesigned whereas this car is 7 years old and STILL kicks ass. Third, one of the things he didn't mention was ease of maintenance and reliability. The 86 still has oil starvation problems that both manufacturers are well aware of, and haven't engineered a solution for and having to take your engine out of the car to do spark plugs is inconvenient at best.
The MX-5 is unreasonably simple to work on and you have a cavernous amount of space to fix or modify it however you'd like. Can't wait to see someone do an LS swap in one.
7:56 I actually do hear quite a bit of growling induction noise at lower RPMs but then it seems to fizzle out above 6k. The camera seems to pick up more noise than what I experience in-person. I have the same complaint though. It would be nice to have more induction noise but I have no idea how you'd go about doing that. Maybe more aggressive cams.
Those cup holders actually can pop out and give you a lot of room for your elbow, making the infotainment controls a lot easier to use. Just pop ‘em in the glovebox
ND2 RF club owner here. I do sort of agree about the intake, and unfortunately there are no good aftermarket solutions as the stock intake is extremely efficient, and even well made aftermarket solutions don’t add much sound. I found on my RF that installing an HKS exhaust and removing the factory sound tube gave me a much nicer sound without being loud and obnoxious. A lot more character top down, but more pleasant top up as the sound tube tends to reverb in the cabin with everything closed.
Also, I’m actually in NorCal right now Turoing a 22 RF GT and the infotainment is way slower and glitchier than on my car. Based on talking to other owners it seems some of the extra features of the GT can bog down the software. Simply removing the factory Nav SD speeds things up a lot.
Have you driven a 2022 soft top? Just wondering about body rill difference between RF and soft top. Also, do you drive without KPC on?
@@kekethetoad my own car is a ‘21, so no KPC. I’ve left traction control on for the most part while driving the ‘22 here for safety. It’s a subtle difference.
Unfortunately the only soft tops I’ve driven were early ND1s. Some with the non performance shocks, some with early Bilsteins (which are valved stiffer). I will say while the softtops to feel a bit lighter, I don’t think roll is that different comparing Bilstein vs Bilstein.
I think people associate roll with bad performance but the ND is specifically designed to grip under roll. I’ve driven very hard out here the last couple days, and I’ve never had a problem with it. I think if you’re the kind of person who likes to integrate body motions and weight transfer into their driving, it’s actually both very fun and capable on the street. AutoX and track I would understand going stiffer, but most people have more luck with coilovers than sways. Sways can cause the car to be snappy especially in the rear.
Good tip about factory nav, I'll take out the SD card and see how it affects it. Thats my one major gripe with this car, but I've owned Mazdas for 6 years now, so I knew what I was getting into :)
So people are putting sound tubes from the engine to the fire wall. Not sure if you know about it but there’s a couple TH-cam videos out there.
First thing I did when I got my Club convertible home was order Goodwin Racing Race exhaust for it. That solved the 'sound' issue. Now it's sounds more throaty and the car is way more fun to drive.
As far as small trunk...Miata is a sports car, and a tiny one at that. It's made for the track, windy roads and leisure weekend drives. Of course it doesn't have a big trunk. Want trunk space? Get a Suburban. You don't buy a car like this then complain you can't get your 5 suitcases in it for a cross country trip.
Your other complaints are valid as far as the infotainment system, knob placement, etc. But, that's what test drives are for.
I have no regrets with mine. I bought it as the car is intended to be. A 2nd car that's meant for weekend fun in the sun on a windy road.
I don’t understand why reviewers compare the MX-5 and the BRZ. It’s apples and oranges: convertible/targa top v enclosed coupe; two-seater v four-seater; a featherweight sports car v a sports coupe that is 500 lb. heavier. BRZ dealers and loyalists can call the BRZ a sports car all they want, but it does not deliver the sports car experience, and speed has very little to do with that experience.
The 2022 BRZ is faster than the MX-5 in both a straight line and around a track. But that still doesn’t make it a sports car. What we have here are two completely different automobiles for two different owner types. Nobody seriously considering one would buy the other. Instead, we should all be glad both these cars exist, and choose the one that meets our needs.
Reviewers compare these cars for very good reason. They are both affordable sports cars. And yes the 86/BRZ is a sports car. In fact one of the best examples of one and certainly more of a pure sports car than the Miata. The Miata has a little grand tourer baked in to appeal to the old people that generally buy it. A sports car is made for driving enjoyment created by the car faithfully following the driver's inputs and providing feedback to the driver while doing so. That's all a sports car is. Perhaps you are thinking a sports car needs to have an open top or two seats but that would be a roadster.
"Nobody seriously considering one would buy the other" Speak for yourself, one of these cars is going to be my next car and I'm not sure which. That's why I'm watching this video!
Good opinions and thanks for the video.
My thoughts:
- BRZ doesn't have dual a-arms and cannot really align it from the factory
- I Turo'd the car and from the interior, there is more than enough engine / interior sound
- The BRZ with a muffler only sounds horrible as it is EL. The MX5 with an axle back sounds great
- The EJ/FA engines from Subaru are a liability. I have not concerns about this with the MX5 engines and later gearboxes
All your points / opinions are valid. However, I would and am taking the 38-40k MX5 RF Club over the BRZ*, any day of the week.
I agree overall! But on your second point I'd say the quality (not necessarily quantity) of engine sound is lacking. Obviously, super subjective in nature.
Being 6' tall and needing at least some kind of backseats the Miata wasnt even on my radar, brz all the way
@@egorlike1324 I'm 6'2 stredded been driving every gen Miata, s2k, mr2 Spyder, elise, ect. Try harder being in excellent shape helps a ton 👌
@@BitcoinTo150K I am in shape, dont assume things
@@egorlike1324 just for input in my case, I am also 6' 235lbs and I had more than enough room (no motorsports other than autoX room with the top down) for my usecase and daily. This would be a daily for me, as I don't take stuff around with me. The family goes around in the family hauler, and this is a car I enjoy while getting 44mpg (when I am not driving hard on RE-71RS, I am just putting around).
Both good cars. Purpose and personal tolerances matter!
I know bringing up aftermarket parts is a rabbit hole, but I think Mazda should have equipped at least the Club spec with something akin to Konis with Sport springs. The stock Bilsteins just aren't doing any justice to that chassis and the 60's Roadster body roll novelty wears off quickly. I know the average buyer of ND2s is either at or deep into retirement, but what's what a more plush "Grand Touring" spec should be for. I have Fox coilovers on mine, and love them for aggressive street/mountains.
Also,, I have to give Mazda a huge shoutout for NO REV HANG at all.
Yes you can do Costco runs, no problem. Last week I bought a package or toilet paper and a 4-pack of beer and it fit perfectly in my ND. I wanted a 6--pack instead of a 4-pack, but I didn't think it would fit.
Owned a 2022 RF. I agree with your points good and bad. What'd I'd like to add. 1. Infotainment is hella slow. CarPlay even through USB is VERY laggy (1-2 seconds) 2. The weird shudder the car sometimes has around 15-20 MPH (others confirmed this too) 3. I only really did city driving so I had about 28-29 MPH The car isn't geared well for the highway and 75 MPH puts you around 3200 RPM which kills the mileage
Good video. I own a 2018 Fiat 124 Spider Abarth, which is about two-thirds similar to this ND MX-5.
I agree with your Likes: excellent driving dynamics, premium quality look and feel, comfortable interior, solid architecture, decent ride, and excellent fuel economy, even when you drive it hard.
With regards to your Dislikes, I agree that the Mazda infotainment system is frustrating to say the least. I'd go as far as to say that it is trash. The thing takes forever to connect, Bluetooth gets dropped regularly, every thing takes way too many clicks to accomplish --which becomes a distraction when you are driving.
My 124 Spider uses the Abarth 1.4T engine, which sounds absolutely glorious, so I can't comment on the sound of the Mazda 2.0. I was surprised with your assessment of the interior, though. I am 6'0" and a 200 lbs: I fit perfectly. Getting in-and-out takes a little bit of doing, but once inside the car fits like a glove. I noticed you had the cupholder in place. I find that spot too constricting so I keep it mounted next to the passenger side of the console. Not having the cupholder back there opens up a precious elbow room when you are shifting and using the center knob. Finally, I don't find the trunk that small. I can carry 4-5 Trader Joe's grocery bags standing up, which is not shabby compared to the trunk in my 2001 NB...which barely big enough for a briefcase.
Hi, is this the one with the new improved engine at 181 Bhp? In went for a test drive and it was way louder and had more vibration than my old 1.5 Miata (EU spec) . For reference, I've test driven the old 2.0 at 155 Bhp too. The new 181 BHP engine is just not defined enough for my taste. You can feel the engine vibrations through the chassis, steering, gear lever etc and the engine noise is way too loud for a GT car which is what I wanted. I agree that, the character has been kept and that it's an even better track car but I had no intention of doing that. Does anyone else find the level of noise and vibration too much?
Where is the mountain road you were at?
Get a slightly used one for $10,000 less. There’s so many ND2 RF’s in my area with less than 20,000 miles that are around $25,000
2020 100th Anniversary Soft Top for me. Love it. Manual is the only way to go in this car!
One gripe is mine left the factory with the soft top defect where it rubs the back of the roll bar covers when open. Mazda replaced the top and covers and made adjustments but it still surprises me how it passed the quality check. Not very Japanese!
Solid review! You hit the nails on the head! I have same model and 14 months in it. The "surprise" positives: great headlights. (weird thing to notice, but tru). Solid Bose sound system. The "mainstream" positives: great shifter, great appearance, good economy, good steering. The biggest downfalls are the "friday afternoon engineering": The cockpit/driving position is terrible. It's cramped, and the steering wheel sits at your belly-button if you are 5'10" (the Avg height in US market), legs are also always cramped. Add to that the rearview mirror that is huge and from 1990, and you feel even more cramped. The interior has no storage, and the handling is fine until you push it, and then it falls apart. It produces "neutral" handling at speed, not by having extra front grip, but rather by making the rear unstable. The engine sounds like a lawn mower too. (my wife's description, not mine) LOL! The infotainment is a disaster and crashes all the time. I still enjoy the car tho. But I am on wait list to get either the BRZ or the manual supra and it looks like it will be years......
I am not an expert on the automobile engineering. I do appreciate an evaluation I can actually understand. Thank you for your report on the Miata.
Nice review & agree with the points you made here. I have a 2016 Club soft top with the BBS wheels / Brembo brake package. Its been my daily drive for 5 years plus real winter driving in Northern Illinois winters. Overall its been a surprisingly good daily driver that added a fun factor only a select few cars can do. Most of those cars cost 3 or 4 times more though.
Soft or RF?
There’s plenty of slightly used German rifles, I’m sorry they’re not even in the same category as a Me either it’s a wanna be car.
I've watched numerous ND Miata videos and this is by far the best one. It's genuine, very informative and straight to the point! You have earned yourself a new sub. Also, are you in the Dublin / Pleasanton area in California?
Thanks Daniel! Yep I'm in that area
2024 GT owner. My biggest gripe is the infotainment knob. Mazda has to get rid of that if they are going to make more Miatas.
Firstly, it is not intuitive. People will say that you get used to it but all it says is exactly that: it is unintuitive. Because if it was, people like me would use it efficiently from the get go. The infotainment system as a whole is also unintuitive (and my ND3 has the better one compared to previous generations apparently... Yikes)
But the worst part of that knob is that in spirited driving, my forearm keeps hitting it, starting the radio or getting me out of Google maps.
Thia knob must go.
Everything else about the Miata, Mazda got it right *if* you keep in mind what is the essence of this car. Being a car to haul stuff is not one of them.
I also own an NA. One thing that I miss from it in the ND is it's steering rack. The NA steering is so much more communicative.
But overall, big big big kudos to Mazda for sticking to what has always made the Miata so special: small size and lightweight.
I'm 5'7 same weight but I fit just fine? Or it could be because I have a soft top GT. I've heard the soft tops are a little bit more roomy as for head room rather than the rf
Nice feedback, Had my ‘17 RF LE 6 yrs and ❤ it. Agree with info system sluggishness and knob position, I hit knob a few time…trunk size being too small has been on all gens. Owned all for gens over 27 yrs, the trunk size is closer to NA minus spare tire which made NA had to fit anything. NB the spare under the trunk floor, but trunk was now very shallow, not deep. Cabin size wise is fine or better for me… 6ft 1inch no issues where on NA a bump, my head would hit the stop top. Exhaust Sound is perfect, you should drive a NA it was much louder with stock exhaust and road noise was bad due to lack of sound insulation and you have to crank the radio up loud, I be deaf in fairly quick in all generations, but sound insulation got better in later generation, NC engine sound like it pinged more and tan better on super unleaded and less tapping on the valves.
Got a solution for TWO of your "4 things you hate"... (for starters) install Borla exhaust system... more power, better tune. Had one on my NC.... sweet!
Is there any vagueness or the feeling of "excessive play" in the steering rack while centered?
The problem with the comparison with a BRZ is that it’s not a convertible. So if you want a drop top experience there is nothing else affordable like this Miata unless you,buy an Ecoboost Mustang and that’s easily $40k and much different driving experience. So I just got a 2023 GT RF like this with a manual and the MSRP was $37,510. I got a discount and paid $35k. So after taxes and fees it’s about $38k. Not cheap BUT what else is there? The really best deal is the Base soft top Sport Miata which is about $29k. You are right about how small it is. If you want a larger sports car there’s the Mustang Ecoboost.
WHERE is this filmed please?....it's BEAUTIFUL.
So what model has the 51/49 balance or 5050 balance? Club? Base sport?
As a 6ft ND2 soft top owner I can kind of agree with most of the comments. 1inch seat drop bracket did wonders. Race muffler wakes up the sound and everyone who hears it agrees. A full cart of groceries OR an adult man can fit in the trunk(we were bored at a car meet). Had issues with the infotainment but dealer says its normal...so that's my only "hate" at the moment...okay, maybe the lack of recline room but other than that, it's an amazing car to drive.
Hi there I added Paco sear rails and I have lost 2 to 3 inches leg room in exhcange for the new great lowered searing position. What type of rails did you use I am considering changeing. did you notice loss of leg room?
@@hypnotechno I added the same rails(Paco). Didn't notice any loss in leg room, but I adjusted the front seat pad all the way up for support. I don't have the seat all the way back either since I need to recline the seat a little so my helmet will fit, but it's still enough to keep the leg in right position so I can heel/toe. I thought about those other adjustable rails, but no one else really drives my car so I chose to save the money for other goodies. (GR race exhaust!!!)
I was intrigued by your account of an adult man in the trunk. So I checked the numbers and it looks like a tight fit but possible if your small. At 245lbs I occupy about 4 cubic ft. The Miata's trunk is 4.59 cubic ft. I definitely wouldn't fit considering inevitable air gaps. Your buddy had to be small and not claustrophobic!
@@bearclaw5115 Yes, he was shorter than me, but at 5ft8in, he's average height I'd say. It was such a fun/silly car show that day...:D
My 2017 RF Infotainment system has a mind of its own (screen keeps changing without my requesting it to do so, FAVORITES radio not remembered, USB-connected mp3 player cuts out after 2 minutes of playing). The dealer wants $200 for a firmware upgrade and $1,500 for a new CMU(?) if that does not work. Mazda USA was totally unsympathetic since it is out of warranty. Any suggestions? Thanks!
Really enjoying your Miata videos-thanks for producing them!
My Veloster N was T-boned and totaled in April, and while I wanted a BRZ they were still unobtanium at the time so I went with a 2020 ND RF and I couldn't be happier. I agree with all the points, both love and hate, that you bring up. A new exhaust mostly fixes the sound issues, but I would still like more induction noise (new exhaust does hurt the MPG though -- I can't help but rev it out always to hear it scream). Curious to hear what you thought about the "kinetic posture control" system in the 2022 that uses the breaks to combat the infamous ND lean. I'm adding coil overs as soon as the Miata is out of the shop (yeah, got rear ended after 3 months of ownership).
I'm curious what you miss in the VN!
@@kr2426 LIttle quality of life things mostly. The auto rev match was great on the VN for someone who's still not great at heel+toe (even after 28 years of driving only manuals), and all the adjustability (valved exhaust, adjustable dampers) really made the N car tweakable to individual drivers (or moods). I'd like to say I don't miss the ~90 horsepower difference in the Miata, but all the Mazda's intangibles more than make up for it.
Have you considered getting an intake to improve induction noise?
Would love to hear your take on a fiat 124 abarth, particularly one with a tork or Eurocompulsion tune.
My biggest nitpick with my 2019 ND2 Club is that Mazda should be insulating the car better. Yes I know it's a small roadster, but I'm not referring to road noise. The road noise is part of the reason I bought the car. It's the interior NVH that's problematic. This has always been a bit of a grievance of mine with many of Mazda's cars, and I've had several. The interior trim panels of the ND are nice, but are prone to rattles due to a lack of sound deadening. There are areas where the plastic trim is a bit cheap, and it makes direct contact with other cheap plastic trim, wiring, loose/rattling clips or fasteners, all behind the trim panels, and the MX-5's firm ride exacerbates the problem, particularly at low speeds. Sure it's possible to take the whole interior apart and apply sound deadening spray or even matting to problem areas, but that shouldn't be on the owner and an OEM solution would be better engineered. A little sound deadening material wouldn't add significant weight, a few pounds at most, and is only a marginal cost. Most of the mid-premium segment does a nice job insulating interior panels, and luxury marques have inserts that snap into place behind trim panels to give them an upscale and solid feel. Mazda definitely wants to play in that league given the thought they're putting into their other interiors, and there's no reason that can't be carried that over to the MX-5 too.
I curious as to those numbers stamped on your inner forearm?
I have a 2022 RS, the Aust equivalent of the Club.
Im 5 ft 8 and if anything the seat is a touch low, certainly not high. Yes, you would have trouble if you were much over 6 feet, but I have a lot of headroom and have to move the seat forward.
The touch screen is easily programmed to work whilst the car is moving, it’s in the settings.
Here the MX5 is the same price as the BRZ/86. I was considering a BRZ but they are a lot heavier, about 550lbs. Also the Boxer engine has a bad reputation for cylinder head problems (400,000 recalled in 2019 and still problems), and the 2021 issues of sealant lodging in the oilways ending up with the current class action law suit. Too risky for me.
I have an ND1, and honestly, my only complaints are the interior rattles, the lack of steering column extention, and the seat is mounted too high. The seating position is much better in the Scion FRS I drove. Also, the engine could really use 25-50 ft/lbs more torque...even in the ND2.
Overall, this is the best drivers car for the money in my opinion. The FRS/BRZ/GR86 would be equal or better if they didn't have those damn NA boxer engines with the torque dip....even the new ones still have that issue.
The torque dip in the new ones is so negligible it isn't really noticed.
Have you driven a Mazda3 Premium H/B with the manual??
With the Wireless Apple Carplay introduced in 2021 (I think) I feel like people's complaints with the infotainment system become a non-issue
And the weird bump on the floor where the drivers rests his left foot - this is in the English right hand drive version, dunno about left hand drive cars.
Just noticed that you’re in the town I live in! Adore this car, it’s definitely my attainable dream car. Fantastic review!
Gonna be ordering mine today. Watching your video right now because I'm SUPER EXCITED
5 LOVES
1. Driver Inputs: Steering, Shifter, Throttle. > or = BRZ/S2000
2. Refinement- Quality Interior.
3. Exterior Style Design.
4. Straight Line Performance.
5. Fuel Economy.
4 HATES
1. Interior Space [even for a Short King. (5'7")] Trunk Space.
2. Infotainment System.
3. Engine/Intake Sound. Need aftermarket.
4. Price, Grand Touring RF is $35K, +$9K than base Model.
The one thing that I hate is the placement of the 12-volt socket. It's a PITA to access it.
nice Deep Crystal Blue i have the same color, rarely ever see that color on other ND2s
How's the road noise with the RF? I'm looking at this car in a serious way, but I regularly make road trips that are 1600+ miles and a lot of the time I'm going 75 to 80 mph. Current car is a 3rd gen Mazda3 and I absolutely adore it but I want something a little closer to legitimate sports car territory.
Love the content- keep it coming
Can’t believe you’re cruising thru Pleasanton!
I've owned NB, NC, ND Soft top and now ND RF Grand touring.... love the car... 2 dislikes missed... info tainment on all versions has no weather application... would have liked that since I have the top down whenever I can and with my soft top I have been caught in a shower a couple of times. Not a big issue, but it takes more time with the RF to get the top up, so I tend to be more cautious about just dropping the top and going. Also, I don't love the drainage system as it is expensive to clear out and not for a beginner to do themselves unlike the soft top..
Costco or other warehouse market runs? I do BJ's runs all the time in my 2016 Club. Trunk not good for full size luggage? Use soft bags!!!
Great review. Thanks!
Would love to hear your thoughts on interior road/tire/wind noise especially considering this is the RF. My guess is the BRZ would edge out if they were hypothetically on the exact same tire, but who knows! I'd also like to hear a little about your thoughts on the audio systems.
BRZ has lower road/tire noise but it's not a night and day difference in my opinion. Wind noise is still a slight problem with the RF at highway speed in windy conditions. Miata's sound system is easily better, but still sounds like a budget system.
If you also factor in that this is a convertible, the RF model is more of a targa when opened, and the RF pillars cause a HUGE increase in wind noise while driving it. So, comparing noise levels for the ND2 RF with the top up, with a BRZ, is really only valid if you never plan to put the top down. And if that’s what you’re going to do, BRZ all the way.
Acceptable NVH???? Wow, you had me up until this comment. My wife's ND1 (2019) RF GT with the GT-S package is incredibly loud compared to any other car I have driven! She downloaded a sound meter app for her phone and we routinely register 80+ decibels top up or down. To compare, my MY00 S2000 registers low to mid 70s WITH THE TOP DOWN!!! I agree with your comments on the new engine and shifter (try a counter sunk shift knob for a real comparison to the S2K!). About the only thing I would change is a shorter throw--counter sunk knob helped a lot with this and doesn't "void the warranty" which my wife will not allow me to do. I agree with pretty much every other point you make.
Does any MX5 have a digital speedo?
Does the manufacture even say that engine needs 91 octane? With prices lately its getting hard to have a turbo so I'd like something that's happy with 87.
I have an abarth with stuffed turbo I’d argue that with the set up it’s the perfect car wish they would’ve continued the abarth and kept updating it. The Miata is pretty much one of a kind in this segment because of convertible, just wish it had more aggressive driving and better exhaust note.
Currently in the market for a fun daily driver. I considered the Miata but decided on the BRZ (coming in Oct). Recently came across a 2018 BMW M240i with the B58 I6, and although a different car altogether, it had me wondering if I would be happier having a better daily driver rather than having a more fundamental sports car, the BRZ. Have you ever considered a luxury performance car, which focuses on 2 missions (performance and comfort) rather than one? I suspect they compromise on too many of the core drivers car fundamentals (steering, weight, engagement) for your taste. Also wonder how highly you value the engine when deciding on a car, as I feel one of the weaker traits of the BRZ is its engine. Would love to hear anyone's thoughts.
I sold an M235i for a ND2 Miata. Had them both in my driveway for about a week while I was finishing up the sale to Carvana which who offered me a stupid amount of money during the peak of Covid, so I had several chances to drive them back to back.
The Baby M is a nice, refined luxury-sports car that makes a great daily driver if you don't want to make too many concessions for "sports car". I took it on a long 2,000+ mile road trip up to Blue Ridge and passing through the Tail of the Dragon along the way, and had a blast. BMW inline 6's are marvelous engines and the N55/B58 is a perfect pair with that chassis. I really think the 2-Series is the last true BMW "driver's car" and the spiritual successor to the E46 and E36. Dimensionally, it's as large as it needs to be and I was never left wanting for space. What I WAS left wanting for was less weight and a more connected feeling. The car was just kind of a porker on the scales and wasn't much lighter than the 3-series of the same generation. That becomes evident when you really start to push it. It was also very numb, and you never knew quite what the tires were doing underneath you from either the seat or the steering. It was an isolation chamber of sorts, and that's not quite what I look for in a vehicle.
Conversely, the ND2 is what I was describe as...raw? It's really reminiscent of the more sporty 1990s era sports cars I grew up driving. It's a hard thing to describe, but it feels like what a 90's era sports car would be like if you gave it a modern electronics suite, a modern interior, suspension/chassis, and modern fueling. The electronic throttle is nicely linear, but the ECU programming does some little trickery on the overrun to smooth out engine braking so off throttle transitions are super slick. There's also ZERO of the rev-hang that plagues so many modern manual transmission cars. It's little touches like this that add in a bit of refinement, without disconnecting you from the experience. The entire powertrain feels like it was designed around an h-pattern instead of them just offering it to shut up internet car people. This is what a lot of manual trannies in modern BMW products feel like to me. They feel plasticky and dull, like an afterthought. Fundamentally, the ND is a sports car in the purest sense of the word, and isn't compromised by concessions in some attempt to make it anything else or please a wide audience. It functions well as a daily driver if you can contend with the obvious limitations on space, but their attempt to check that box didn't come at a detriment of the overarching principle behind what it is.
With the exception of my Ducati Multistrada, I've come to learn that I quickly get bored with "jack of all trades" vehicles. When I'm itching for a sports car drive, I want a sports car. You can hustle a Macan around a race track, would embarrass a lot of other cars, but you'd probably rather be doing it in a 911 or Cayman, you know? Currently, the Miata is scratching that itch, at least for now. The M235i will go down as probably one of my favorite cars I've ever owned, however, I'm not at a point in my life where it slots in for me.
@@opmike343 Wow thanks so much for the insightful reply! As someone who doesn't have a lot of experience with sports cars, I was really tempted by the online impressions of the M240i but going for the test drive I definitely felt what you described, the weight and especially the numbness of the steering. I even started looking into used M2s in the hope of a more connected feel, but I think I'm starting to realize the BRZ's fundamental advantages like weight, low CoG, and a better manual experience are invaluable, especially since I'd be on the streets more than on the track. Starting from a dedicated sports car chassis and trying to make it a better daily driver, rather than trying to make a daily driver sporty, seems to be the difference. Hell, it'd even be a better financial decision to get the $30,000 vs $50,000 car.
Thanks again, I'll definitely wait for the BRZ over the tempting but hollow luxury alternatives.
Mini Cooper S does everything with no comprises.
@@bigmacdaddy1234 i found the new mini cooper kind of bland. Nice car, but feels too isolated, which is funny for a mini.
I sold my ND2 for an m240i and while a decent enough all-rounder, regret it every day.
You are right about the infotainment though it really sucks. My wife has a Kia Stinger and the infotainment is instant on and snappy fast. With the Miata it will be 30 seconds or sometimes even more before Apple car plays starts working. Stinger the second you plug in the phone apple car is there instantly.
What is that intersection with the white traffic light beams?
Likely Hacienda Drive in Pleasanton
Add 2 more inches of legroom and a powerful V-6 and the Miata would be the perfect sportscar, better than a Corvette, a Porsche or even a Ferrari, and at a tiny fraction of the cost.
I agree on the two inches but the V-6 will never happen. The car would be too heavy, too heavy in the front, too polluting and cost way more. And no, it still wouldn't be better than those other cars.
If you want a trunk look at my 1997 Honda Del Sol Si. It has a real trunk. The caveat is that the roof is manual. I still find this car entertaining after driving it for 25 years and 212,600 miles.
I think 100% of us clicked on this video thinking 'what 4 things could you possibly hate in this car?'
...then realised none of them were reasonable complaints.
I'm 5'11, 185 lbs and fit perfectly fine in my NB2 Miata. I've driven an ND1 & ND2 on a closed course and those things were phenomenal and even more ergonimic. Of course they aren't SUVs, so you're not going to be getting much storage space.
It's like saying 'One of the things I hate about this hat is that you can't wear it like a sweater.'
sorry, but this video was pretty click-bait-y.
Would u get this over soft top I can't decide
#5 thing I hate you could have added.....not enough color options. I wish Mazda offered as many color options as Dodge, Ford, and Chevy do for their sports cars.
I got news for you: That’s not a 2022 you are driving, it’s a 2021. The 2022 MX-5 is only available in Deep Crystal Blue in Club trim, not the Grand Touring. It was available in 2021 as a Grand Touring.
I wish there was more truck room or just more space in back in case of a rearend collision accident, even though I don't own one I wouldn't feel safe in one.
Aygrene, isn't the only reviewer to complain about the trunk space, etc., however, it they were to review a Morgan Roadster at approximately $90k and up depending on the accessories, they may not come with a radio. None come with a trunk and I've heard no one complain about that. So! Mazda should raise the price to approximately $90K which would get rid of all the space complaints.
Am on my 6th miata can't find anything negative about any off them
I’m 6’ 3”, 190 pounds and I fit fine. I guess different feel for different people.
nice video! can I request you do a comparison between the new brz and a 2.0 supra?
I picked my 22 RF because I was able to get it for no markup compared to the BRZ/GR86
Thanks for the review but I am still going to get my Hyundai N.
It's interesting, I felt like the MX5 had very little road texture feedback through the steering which surprised me. Felt numb to me, coming from an FRS. So That's the opposite of what you said.
That's better gas mileage than my Mazda2. What are your thoughts on the new for 2022 suspension Kinematic Posture Control (KPC)?
I had one of those - ND2 2019. I highly not recommended this car. Sold it in less then a year.
The car body roll was a disaster in corners!!! (It was never super comfortable, but I exchanged the springs which made the car into a lovely go-cart, but ruined the comfort even more), the car is just slow... c'mon it's slow, any other bmw or VW or audi estate is just as fast or faster (straight run I got destroyed by an audi a5). The practically of miata is not existing, transporting a silly shelf from Ikea in Miata - impossible. I'm 183 cm and it was too small for me, I kept on hitting everything with my elbows. The RF is a bad choice as going over 70+ km/h the noise the wind makes hitting the pillars makes it impossible to have a conversation, soft top is cheaper and a much better choice, you can go faster on a freeway. The paintwork - lovely but the paint is super thin, very easy to scratch. So someone would say "yeah what do you expect it's a sports car with RWD, you can throw the back around, that's the point" - my question is WILL YOU ? Seriously will you ? Do you have a place where you can legally throw the back around ? Do you have enough money to comfortably throw 30+k USD around and risk hitting a lamp post ? No, most of us don't so in reality you will be stuck with an expensive, hopelessly impractical toy. It's like having a built in screen in your fridge or a photo frame in your baking oven - you can have it, you can pay for it, but you know it's useless.
On the plus side: The car is quite fun in case you have a place to legally have fun in it, the steering is great, it does not cost a lot to insure (at least in my country) and it does not consume too much fuel. You can rev it high and it will not take more than 9l per 100km. The gearbox is ok, but I found the one in Hyundai i30n better (or a Veloster in US)
Zygrene lets go for a drive thru la honda got a ss 1le
I hated the steering. So video game compared to na/nb. Shifter is amazing thou
Compared to basically any manual or hydraulic steering rack, EPS is lifeless. But I definitely think the ND2 steers a bit better than BRZ or S2K.
@@Zygrene that's totally fair, but I took immediate exception to the comment too haha. My least favorite thing about the ND was easily the steering (we had a 2016 Grand Touring), but that's comparing it to the NA and NC we also have/had. They are both infinitely better but yea...hydraulic racks. I also preferred the EPS of the mk7.5 Golf R over the ND. The lack of effort/resistance was just a bit too low for me. We still enjoyed the heck out of it haha.
I prefer the shifter in the NC as well, but there's no such thing as a Miata that came with a poor shifter lol. It's almost like complaining about your least favorite $100 bill 😂😂
@@Zygrene I felt nd2 steering is precise without any play in the center, but it does feel numb compared to brz. I just couldn't feel the road from nd's steering wheel.
Mine is getting old and if it gives up your video was very helpful. Thank you.
Now that you've driven quite a few ND's, really hope you make another LA trip soon to try out some track prepped NDs like mine :)
I'm itching for an LA trip once I have the time. Can you shoot me a DM on IG?
@@Zygrene we've talked before!! haha my @ is neanderfal
Mazda does not care about infotainment because they are focused on making a DRIVERS car- not another gadget. I used to have a 89 Honda Prelude and adding a short cold air intake did wonders for the intake growl! I wonder if the same could be done to this model of Miata!
The styling of the mx-5 is significantly better than the BRZ in my opinion as well. ND2 RF is one of the most beautiful cars in production right now (in my opinion).
BRZ is cute too, but the RF is just on a different level.
Hey man, did your girlfriend comment at all on the transmission hump on the passenger side of the car? I've sat there at the dealership and it doesn't seem like it would be too comfortable on a long trip.
Zygirlfriend here - I did not notice the transmission hump at all. The passenger side was fairly comfortable for me, but I’m a tiny human being so that may be why. 🤷🏻♀️
As a 124 owner, I can agree with a lot of the crossover experiences we share with the platform / chassis. The 124 is quieter due to the heavier graded glass than the Mazda windshield. Infotainment system I was able to tweak due to Mazda firmware not having that pesky security update in the later gens, but it's still slow lol I'm 5'8" and 215lbs and don't feel cramped tbh, but I do wish there were more options with the OEM seats... Lower would be nicer for sure. Have you gotten the chance to drive a 124 as comparison between the ND2?
Actually a 2017 Fiat 124 Abarth with Brembo brakes was the 1st test drive in these convertible sport cars & a video review of one caught my eye. I have to say it left me wanting a better clutch feel & less notchy shifter. Also the turbo lag from a stop was not what I expected. So the next day I went to the Mazda dealer for a 2016 Club soft top test drive that lasted a whole weekend. The MX-5 was a blast ! Completely different in how they drive.
@@ag4allgood i am in doubt if buing a 124 spider or a mazda mx5 2.0 rf. I love them both. I just tried the 124 and i love it. And even if I think the 124 has a great design i believe the mx5 rf would be more practical for me in therms of everyday use because of the roof top. I am in Italy and i look for a used one. At the moment there are very few to buy from the used market. But I am almost 100% that the mx5 rf 2.0 would be a great choice.
@@lucianolucidi8624 Luciano , yes the Mazda MX-5 would be the better choice. However your Italian blood may tell you its the Fiat 124 Spyder. In my eyes the Mazda MX-5 was clearly better even though I wanted to go Italia ! Everything in the actual driving experience said MX-5 was the better car.
@@ag4allgoodi personally already have a car with 1.4 multiair engine. Great engine considering how small it is. It pushes well and it sounds good. I also like the retro design of the 124. But I am thinking the mx5 rf must be the best choice for me cause I could use it as an everyday car also in winter time. It also have a more modern design wich looks more as a bullet shape and seems shorter. Then the aspirated engine its definitely the purest way for an authentic sporty driving esperience and the 7500 rpm that reaches makes me dream more about my old alfa romeo spider from 1989 I used to drive when I was younger. The 124 on the other hand will be a unique car soon because of the very short production period it had. Anyway yes I think I would go for the mx5 rf 2.0.
Or go out and make some more money and get a Porsche 911
Great review as always. For 30k would you take a stock s2k or Miata for weekends and road trip?
Can you get a stock stk for that price? I thought they were 40+