"Since cpu these days are all multi-threaded, you will never catch your cpu on full load unless you run multiple program simultaneously." wrong. plenty of applications are fully capable of utilising multiple threads. shogun 2 attempts to do so. if shogun 2 were more efficient in utilising all available threads, it would be able to use all 4.5ghz of 8 threads i.e. no lag. my pc is more than capable of the AI processing that 40,000 men would require. the game cannot utilise it.
@@3musketerantidbd174 Lol I love it when people reply to comments I had completely forgotten about. that was like 5 year ago, glad to be reminded of it.
thanks for watching :) i am pretty certain it is MP compatible, not tried yet. i really dont like the idea of paying for DLC (in general), but as far as most DLC goes, this is probably what most people would consider "worth it".
Thanks (this is my other TH-cam account) for the reply mate, i just ordered a pc with this processor and a new 2x SLI Nvidia gtx680, really looking forward to hosting some massive battles like this without the lag! You seem to be the only person on the internet that understands that BIG battles are what make this game untouchable!
...the only thing that was discusses was quality over quantity, if he completed his whole roster with more hero units he alone would have defeated every single one, and if he actually wanted to win all he had to do was have 550 or 1000 of only katana or no-dachi samurais and then he would have killed all 40k. that is what it means quality over quantity
dk0bl1v10n You make a fair point, but I can't help but repeat my self but its true the end justified the loss, now lets say he did have a full band of heroes (Although that's impossible with out cheats) they would win however he didn't he had a small group of them. Not to mention quality not always the best way a good examples Fall of the samurai 2 kachi riflemen VS 1 red bear unit would most likely resulting kachi victory as they have the size advantage, of course its still true that quality is often better it really depends on the circumstances.
indeed. if i get an ivy bridge/haswell extreme edition with lquid cooling, i could perhaps manage a solid 5-10fps on this, at 5.3ghz, lol not sure if that will happen though. my video production and views would have to increase astronomically to make it worth it. but for rome 2, i want the best.
absolutely. ivy bridge is about 10% faster, clock for clock, than its predecessor. this is an i5-2500k at 4.8ghz. an i5-3570k at 4.7 will be slightly faster.
routing is what makes others rout, and that only works locally, not when there are hundreds of units, most of which are not already shaken/wavering. it isnt possible.
I think if you took the middle island and hid your bowman and ninja on the mountain areas in a kill-box orientation, you may be able to win. Primary goal would be to take pressure off of your center, and force either a simultaneous moral-break on back/front to cause panic, or force them to spread their troops out enough so you can deal with the bulk. Also, use your melee charge!
oh, it did for a while. i had the cpu running at 4.8ghz for a long time. took it down a notch to 4.5 recently. it probably could have used the extra 300mhz, for the amount of ai processing i needed to make this :/ thanks for watching :D
it isnt the darth mod. i do have 40 units in an army and bigger units. but that because the game is fully patched, and the units are the ikko ikki variety.
30 fully upgraded Shimazu Katana heroes will never ever ever ever ever ever break.. I put them against like 3,000 Yari Ashigarus.. they killed damn near 2,000+ before the Yari's routed
this is an i5-2500k overclocked to 4.8GHz. that is pretty much the best performance that money can buy. you wont find a video with 40,000 men in which the soldiers are not moving like teleporting robots for the next 5 years, unless rome 2 improves multi-core support. 99% of people's games would crash within 3 minutes if they went over 30,000 men. now you know.
i just submitted coursework about 6 months ago, in fact (and passed), that was essentially multithreading in java. so your criteria/request is fulfilled. nothing happened. not sure what the hell you were trying to do with that comment.
lol if you read the readout, he is getting around a constant 30 fps, it seems in nearly every TW game since Empire that there is visible lag of the units, but not actual lag due to low framerate. Check and mate
Thanks a lot for the reply! I subscribed btw! =D And is the i7 better for other stuff? I would mainly have it as a gaming pc but does it process certain programs faster or does it make your computer faster in any way? Because I've worked for the i7 and have the money for it, but if it does not have any benefit over the i5 it would be a waste of money. Last thing: is the i5 better than the i7 or are the equal on the gaming side?
wig smey actually, my PC was the best available for the job at the time, and still is. most of my CPU was not even being utilised. the total war engine is a piece of shit.
Volound It's not the total war engine that sucks. It's your recording system. if you say your CPU can handle it then it should run Shogun 2 perfectly fine and it looked like it didnt lag for you so I'm assuming it was the recording system you used.
You has god position to defend on this mountain, there your hero units can cooperate and also you could hide your cavalry in forrest to strike from behind many times, and run your archer cavalry to pull away some of their ashigaru. It was bad battle my friend, but interesting idea.
given even very good circumstances, heroes can only get about 1000 kills, max. it just isnt conceivable that the heroes could possibly have won this battle. try it yourself. reenact a small scale version of this battle. pick a hero unit and put it against 5000 yari ashigaru. it wont get above 1500 kills before it succumbs, ever.
i am not fond of padding-out and sugar-coating. i say what needs to be said, no more. i could just ignore questions if that would be more soothing to you, like most people - that would save me even more time and i wouldnt have to respond to the same rehashed questions.
lol have you even played this game? i mean, this is a custom battle. it isnt a LP. i do both and theyre completely different things. if i could have had more men in this battle (albeit more lag), i would. that was kind of the whole point of the battle. without 40,000 men (and the accompanying lag), there would have been no reason to make it. it would have been like my other 300 something shogun 2 videos.
youll probably have more success posting that on the technical support section of the total war forums, than the comment section of random youtube videos.
It seems you know a great deal about computers considering games. I would like to know your opinion on which one is best. If I want to player regular battles, at an ultimate max op 10.000 troops on Shogun 2, which one is then the best processor? An i7-3930K or an i5-3570? I would also be running one GeForce GTX 680 Phantom 4GB with it.
Also, how did you get 240men in the unit? Mine only has 200. I don't think it's my PC, considering it has an i7 running at 3.3ghz, 8gb memory, x79 motherboard, and a gtx 690.
it isnt all that uncommon. especially on viral type videos where the typical viewer is just an average joe, and were my particularly ruthless comments are in response to something that has been deleted, usually out of shame and/or contrition.
this is an i5-2500k running at 4.5ghz. and this isnt my computer that is lagging. the game engine cannot handle this many men effectively. my cpu isnt even under full load. as you can see from the video; my computer can handle it, the game cant. people really need to be a bit more intelligent with their comments.
its the "keep the apostrophe!!!" guy ;) only got about 500 total war videos - in each of which i employ flanking on average about 10 times. just saying.
I've never seen this intro speech, but I guess because when I use the Chosokabe I have mass archer armies and I will have equal or more fights. Also most of my battles in all campaign games are seiging, then some defending, and the very few field battles.
NASA called, they want their CPU back.
Owen Williams It's the I5 2500k That is one of the weakest modern gaming CPU's...
@@ronaldhubbard577 What about amd reyzen 5 4600h?
Quantity has a quality of its own.
thats actually pretty deep
David Frigault Dony get me wrong, i hate Stalin and his way of doing things, but he's kinda right
it reminds me about t34
Stalin did nothing wrong
Jaguarrix even I, the anarcho-syndicalist would disagree
Both Sides: WHY DID WE COME HERE?
"Since cpu these days are all multi-threaded, you will never catch your cpu on full load unless you run multiple program simultaneously."
wrong. plenty of applications are fully capable of utilising multiple threads. shogun 2 attempts to do so. if shogun 2 were more efficient in utilising all available threads, it would be able to use all 4.5ghz of 8 threads i.e. no lag.
my pc is more than capable of the AI processing that 40,000 men would require. the game cannot utilise it.
It's the missile trajectories that really cause lag
27:27 WTF?is that some kind of victory dance?
PS - love seeing those old ass comments. feels like a lifetime ago. be back in 5 years.
Probably XD
19:37 This one too
@@3musketerantidbd174 Lol I love it when people reply to comments I had completely forgotten about. that was like 5 year ago, glad to be reminded of it.
@@LukaMamukelashvili Same lmao.
Vaa qartveli :dd
there is just NO way the heroes could win against those overwhelming odds.. Still a heroic death though
This proves when push come to shove, spam dat sexy yari ashigaru
@@thongnguyenngoc5767 spoken like a true Oda
ヽ༼ ಠ益ಠ ༽ﾉ SHAMEFUR DISPRAY!!!
thx for the slideshow
thanks for watching :)
i am pretty certain it is MP compatible, not tried yet.
i really dont like the idea of paying for DLC (in general), but as far as most DLC goes, this is probably what most people would consider "worth it".
I was promised a Massive Bat, this is just a war
like it
if only naval bombardment...
the exact model is both in the description and in the FAQ of my channel page.
the entire point of the video was to have the biggest battle on youtube. whatever the lag took away from the video is had by my other videos anyway.
Total War: Lag War
Total lagg : shogun 2
Shogun 2 fall of the framerates
my CPU was pronounced dead shortly afterwards. luckily, it was resuscitated and made a full recovery.
Thanks (this is my other TH-cam account) for the reply mate, i just ordered a pc with this processor and a new 2x SLI Nvidia gtx680, really looking forward to hosting some massive battles like this without the lag! You seem to be the only person on the internet that understands that BIG battles are what make this game untouchable!
The game is only designed to handle up to 32000 men. So good job mate, you've done well.
A practical demonstration of "quality over quantity"
But he lost isn't it the exact opposite?
pieoffire 550 units killed 6000, even tho they where pretty crappy ashigaru, theyr sheer number made a real treat, and yet they still lost 6k
dk0bl1v10n The point still stands that they failed, the end justifies the loss in this case.
...the only thing that was discusses was quality over quantity, if he completed his whole roster with more hero units he alone would have defeated every single one, and if he actually wanted to win all he had to do was have 550 or 1000 of only katana or no-dachi samurais and then he would have killed all 40k. that is what it means quality over quantity
dk0bl1v10n You make a fair point, but I can't help but repeat my self but its true the end justified the loss, now lets say he did have a full band of heroes (Although that's impossible with out cheats) they would win however he didn't he had a small group of them. Not to mention quality not always the best way a good examples Fall of the samurai 2 kachi riflemen VS 1 red bear unit would most likely resulting kachi victory as they have the size advantage, of course its still true that quality is often better it really depends on the circumstances.
probably, but i dont plan on playing it for a while.
rome 2 design team: we could make huge scale battles, but lets limit players by making generals necessary for all armies instead
in rome 2, i will make battles with 100,000 men. ive made sure of that.
indeed. if i get an ivy bridge/haswell extreme edition with lquid cooling, i could perhaps manage a solid 5-10fps on this, at 5.3ghz, lol
not sure if that will happen though. my video production and views would have to increase astronomically to make it worth it. but for rome 2, i want the best.
It was the bloodiest battle the world had ever saw with civilians looking in total awe.
well yeah.. what else could you have been doing?
everything is custom built, see my channel page description.
absolutely.
ivy bridge is about 10% faster, clock for clock, than its predecessor. this is an i5-2500k at 4.8ghz.
an i5-3570k at 4.7 will be slightly faster.
GPU is barely trying.
it is the CPU that is struggling, and the game is designed such that only 2 (of the 4) cores are even used.
Please don't tell me these Ashigaru got double-edge spears. I don't think they are anti-cavalry when they're not facing the cavalry.
i already addressed this in the description.
routing is what makes others rout, and that only works locally, not when there are hundreds of units, most of which are not already shaken/wavering. it isnt possible.
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thanks, dude.
I think if you took the middle island and hid your bowman and ninja on the mountain areas in a kill-box orientation, you may be able to win. Primary goal would be to take pressure off of your center, and force either a simultaneous moral-break on back/front to cause panic, or force them to spread their troops out enough so you can deal with the bulk. Also, use your melee charge!
oh, it did for a while. i had the cpu running at 4.8ghz for a long time. took it down a notch to 4.5 recently.
it probably could have used the extra 300mhz, for the amount of ai processing i needed to make this :/
thanks for watching :D
it isnt the darth mod.
i do have 40 units in an army and bigger units.
but that because the game is fully patched, and the units are the ikko ikki variety.
30 fully upgraded Shimazu Katana heroes will never ever ever ever ever ever break.. I put them against like 3,000 Yari Ashigarus.. they killed damn near 2,000+ before the Yari's routed
Really enjoy this video. Subscribed!
If those hero units had at least 10,000-15,000 troops to aid them, it would've been possible for them to succeed.
this is an i5-2500k overclocked to 4.8GHz. that is pretty much the best performance that money can buy. you wont find a video with 40,000 men in which the soldiers are not moving like teleporting robots for the next 5 years, unless rome 2 improves multi-core support. 99% of people's games would crash within 3 minutes if they went over 30,000 men.
now you know.
i just submitted coursework about 6 months ago, in fact (and passed), that was essentially multithreading in java. so your criteria/request is fulfilled. nothing happened.
not sure what the hell you were trying to do with that comment.
you press the bind for first person. i have it rebound. google it.
lol if you read the readout, he is getting around a constant 30 fps, it seems in nearly every TW game since Empire that there is visible lag of the units, but not actual lag due to low framerate. Check and mate
Thanks a lot for the reply! I subscribed btw! =D
And is the i7 better for other stuff? I would mainly have it as a gaming pc but does it process certain programs faster or does it make your computer faster in any way? Because I've worked for the i7 and have the money for it, but if it does not have any benefit over the i5 it would be a waste of money.
Last thing: is the i5 better than the i7 or are the equal on the gaming side?
Sorry bro but your computer isn't cut out for this.
wig smey actually, my PC was the best available for the job at the time, and still is. most of my CPU was not even being utilised.
the total war engine is a piece of shit.
Volound It's not the total war engine that sucks. It's your recording system. if you say your CPU can handle it then it should run Shogun 2 perfectly fine and it looked like it didnt lag for you so I'm assuming it was the recording system you used.
Randy Zhen my previous comment is accurate.
+Volound Let's hope that the next Total War (after Warhammer) gets rid of that god-awful warscape engine and replaces it with something decent.
Das Kaiser once upon a time, i would have agreed. now, i couldnt care less. im way past caring at this point.
thanks :)
ive made a steam group so that friends/fans can contact me easily, theres a link on my channel page if youre interested.
Never ever let your general die when you do this, or all your heroes will rout.
I hope they will someday optimize battles with massive amounts of troops
youre right. can i add you on runescape? how about a cod match?
this video was recorded using a legitimate copy of the game.
although, i freely confess i try before i buy using torrents.
You has god position to defend on this mountain, there your hero units can cooperate and also you could hide your cavalry in forrest to strike from behind many times, and run your archer cavalry to pull away some of their ashigaru. It was bad battle my friend, but interesting idea.
To Ashigaru: That was a SHAMEFUR DISPRAY!
you missed the point of the video entirely.
if i wanted to win i would have did everything completely differently. this is a cinematic experiment.
Well that's why I'm saying that attacking from the rear might cause a mass rout in this case using cavalry.
The day that game comes out will be the day i say an official goodbye to sunlight!
6:50 how do you do that?, is it camera mod or something?
***** Thank you very much!, i cant believe i never knew about this feature after playing this game for so long
those 240 Yari Ashigaru with 28 kills though
holy shit what kind of a pc do u have? a costume made one or a razer? sorry for my bad english btw
given even very good circumstances, heroes can only get about 1000 kills, max. it just isnt conceivable that the heroes could possibly have won this battle.
try it yourself. reenact a small scale version of this battle. pick a hero unit and put it against 5000 yari ashigaru. it wont get above 1500 kills before it succumbs, ever.
bloody hell, how many battalions of ashigaru are there. it looks ENDLESS
who fed Yasuo ?
Probably kindred getting greedy with those marks.
unless you do heavy video encoding, the i7 is pretty much useless in terms of an upgrade on the i5.
You know that's a shit ton of ashigaru when Volound's rig starts dropping frames.
i am not fond of padding-out and sugar-coating. i say what needs to be said, no more. i could just ignore questions if that would be more soothing to you, like most people - that would save me even more time and i wouldnt have to respond to the same rehashed questions.
lol
have you even played this game? i mean, this is a custom battle. it isnt a LP. i do both and theyre completely different things.
if i could have had more men in this battle (albeit more lag), i would. that was kind of the whole point of the battle. without 40,000 men (and the accompanying lag), there would have been no reason to make it. it would have been like my other 300 something shogun 2 videos.
serious comments only, please.
no way i couldnt have. the i5-2500k has a stock speed of 3.4-3.8ghz, and mine is 4.5.
I don't even know what's going on.
youll probably have more success posting that on the technical support section of the total war forums, than the comment section of random youtube videos.
fully upgraded? that isnt a meaningful term to someone that knows this game well.
If only the possibility, a naval artillery strike in orange blobs like that would be very tasty.
you are mistaken.
It seems you know a great deal about computers considering games. I would like to know your opinion on which one is best. If I want to player regular battles, at an ultimate max op 10.000 troops on Shogun 2, which one is then the best processor? An i7-3930K or an i5-3570? I would also be running one GeForce GTX 680 Phantom 4GB with it.
what pack is this i dont have many unit that you do. i think i have the blood pack, hattori and ikki ikko update already.
Also, how did you get 240men in the unit? Mine only has 200. I don't think it's my PC, considering it has an i7 running at 3.3ghz, 8gb memory, x79 motherboard, and a gtx 690.
Woah woah woah! Hold on! This is fun and everything but, fuck has a mother?!?!?!
Shogun 2 fall of the framerates
it isnt all that uncommon. especially on viral type videos where the typical viewer is just an average joe, and were my particularly ruthless comments are in response to something that has been deleted, usually out of shame and/or contrition.
is that a mode for the ninja unit? because I don't remmember their icon looked like a werewolf :S
Are all these heroes available in the original game? Or are they in the expansions?
i am a computer scientist too.
i stand by my previous comment.
nope.
total war has used several cores since empire. just not effectively.
this is an i5-2500k running at 4.5ghz.
and this isnt my computer that is lagging. the game engine cannot handle this many men effectively. my cpu isnt even under full load. as you can see from the video; my computer can handle it, the game cant.
people really need to be a bit more intelligent with their comments.
what mods are you using to be able to make this?
Does anyone know how to fix the software problem for the kuler 920?
How come I dont hve access to most of the hero units in a custom battle? I only have yari,archer and katana heroes.
I have a i7 2600k (stock) with the GTX 580, 8 Gbs RAM. How come mine lags so much when I have large battles?
Ahh, sorry, too used to SurrealBelief's videos. He cuts it back just enough so that it lags little or not at all.
My PC would probably fucking explode if i tried to make a battle this big.
CPU4 Losing 1 man - Unit feels like such a boss right now ^^
refer to channel page FAQ.
The biggest and the most honorable way to die .... these heroes are very great !!! .... =) I enjoy very well this video !!!! ......
This may sound dumb but do generals have speeches before every battle/siege or is it for specific battles/sieges?
Every
@@insch.9547 Thanks man. 11 years and no reply.
its the "keep the apostrophe!!!" guy ;)
only got about 500 total war videos - in each of which i employ flanking on average about 10 times. just saying.
ikko ikki yari ashigaru on huge unit sizes.
mass routing.. yari ashigaru.. with cavalry??
jesus christ..
Why didn't you replay this to us in replay mode?
Maaaaybe this was a FEW too many soldiers. The lag took away from it a good deal.
Aww, you didn't even fully upgrade the heroes?
I am pretty sure than the addition of two Hojo hand mortars would have changed the outcome.
Arsenal units are so broken : P
your pc deserve a cookie after this
I've never seen this intro speech, but I guess because when I use the Chosokabe I have mass archer armies and I will have equal or more fights. Also most of my battles in all campaign games are seiging, then some defending, and the very few field battles.