very cool serious question how do you thing 60 grain aguila sss in 22lr would do out of a 4 inch barrel 9 shot revolver i use it in my h&r 922 and it stabilizes but i am curious on gel or jug how it would do?
@@joemorganeatmyshortschannel I actually have fired that ammo in a 4" Taurus 94, it was a long time ago and I didn't film it. I do not recall exactly what the experience was, but I think I remember in flight tumbling.
@@GunSam very cool i loved the 94 i wore one out as a kid 3 firing pins and a bare barrel but was the best 22 pistol i ever had my h&r seems to like them but no slomo cam
What is hard Cass bullet made of. If my gun is chambered for s&w long could I shoot the 115gr. Hard Cass I have model 732 H&R s&wlong. Get back with me.
I have recently started to pocket carry a Smith & Wesson 30-1 snubnose in .32 Long. My choice in ammo is the Buffalo Bore hard cast. Your testing has confirmed that is a very effective personal defense round. Thanks for the video.
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That's basically the load I carry in my .32 Long revolvers (usually my S&W 30-1 snubbie). My stash were made by a now sadly defunct company. Glad to see BB has picked up the mantle. Those 115 grain hard cast lead flatpoints (boy ain't that a mouthful?) do really well. In water jugs I shot many years ago, they exited the first jug sideways and every jug thereafter that they penetrated they did so sideways. To me a yawing, long bullet like that presents more surface area than an expanded JHP. I always interpreted that penetration is definitely there but not way overboard. Glad to see your tests confirm this. As my old stash is dwinding down I think I need to get my hands on some of that Buffalo Bore ammo soon. As for the .380, I'll never get why people say the .380 is weak. Sure, it's not a 9x19 or such, but it's not a .25, either. I probably carry a .380 more than anything (while I still have them, I like the old hydra-shoks only because they cut such a sharp hole almost caliber wide so even if they don't open they should do well). Anyway, I'm long-winded again. As always, great video!
I agree the .32 had perfect penetration. You have to give up something with lower power rounds, and I doubt if any hollow point will expand at this low velocity. This would be your best choice for self defense.
.32 Wadcutters do quite well for penetration and the softer lead sometimes does expand a bit. But yes, pretty much no .32 S&W Long JHP expands below the 900 FPS range. Hard casts like these and wadcutters really are quite nice.
Good video. I was just thinking about buying an lcp for pocket carry, however after all of the malfunctions I'm reconsidering. The lcp is so small but you really can't beat a revolver for reliability.
Seems to happen quite often even with expert shooters under NO pressure. Auto are like Panzer tanks…really cool and great when they are functioning but…
My 10th anniversary lcp had some issues originally. Sent it in to Ruger, they had it back to me in 4 days. New slide, extractor. No issues since. I carry the underwood +p hardcast in it when I edc it. It is very powerful, reliable, accurate. I honestly think based on the tests I’ve seen of it and seen in person it would 100% work on black bear with a head shot. I wouldn’t use it for that and would carry my larger pistols like my 2.0 10mm or one of my revolvers in bear country. But if you’re just trail hiking etc it’s a lot better than what people think.
I have two of the original 1st gen. LCP .380s. Knock on wood head - but they have never jammed not even once, hundreds of rounds, including the souped up Buffalo B's.
My take away from these .327/.32 vs. .380/9mm tests are ... the LCP is a no go for me and the .32 is better than I would have thought. I'm genuinely impressed with the LCR.
No need to fire .32 Federal magnum, using a .32 H&R magnum offers a really good penetration with lower recoil and it seems with the correct ammo even .32 S&W Long. Six shoots against five .38 is a plus.
I have an LCP and put a Hogue Handall grip on it. It works really well. It attaches to the gun with an extended pin where the grip meets the horizontal and the rear of the mag well after removing a small plastic piece located there in its stead. Sure grip and less recoil/snap.
I've ben loading a soft-cast 118 grain RNFP in 32 S&W Long for quite a while. Around 800 FPS from a 4" barrel, so only slightly warmer than the BuffBo and still within SAAMI specs. That's the load I supply to a friend who carries a S&W Model 30 for defense. Recoils like a 22 Mag and shoots tiny groups.
I bought these rounds for my S&W model 30-1. They advertise this round to be adequate for self-defense. Happy to see it delivers. Not that I would ever carry a 32 but it’s nice to know if you had to.
@@red9man2130 - also consider that for about 50 years or better, .32 long put down plenty of bad guys in a law enforcement capacity. Btw... I think my next gun will be something in 327 mag. That way, I'll basically have a 4 cartridge gun. ... and I am rather fond of a Ruger SP101.
Don't discount it David. I love my LCR, and I had a hand in developing/encouraging the creation of the seven shot Charter Arms Professional in 32 H&R Magnum. They also have a six shot snubby called the Undercoverette in 32 Magnum. You might check these out also.
200ftlb of from a pocket .380 with a 2.75in barrel is pretty impressive. I'm not sure I'd carry it in my LCP but I also have a Beretta Pico that has softer recoil and likes warm ammo. Still would rather have something more potent but this might would work in a pinch. Great vid as usual 👍👍
After seeing this test I got 2 boxes of these BB .32’s to stoke my S&W Hand Ejector, and with its 3.25” barrel BB’s website says it’ll get about 800 fps. It’s for my wife to carry as a woods gun, and while it may not stop a bear with one shot it’ll sure give it pause after five or six hits. It’ll also easily dispatch coyotes, dogs, or 2-legged predators. This round really puts the .32 SWL on the defensive map. Great test Sam, thanks! 👍
I agree on the cast bullets.They will get the job done especially on smaller calibers where expansion penetration will be a factor.I love your channel.I test my bullet performance all the time.
For me I have my Charter Arms always on me loaded with 32 H&R, good cartridge. Then if I want more I can bring along my SP101 in 327 for some greater effectiveness. The SP101 is heavy but the snubbie almost makes you forget you have it on.
I got the SP101 in 32 H&R. It has never fired a factory load, except a couple 32 longs. 32's are just nice relaxing guns to shoot. A small 32 is a lot more "fun" than a 38.
I "need" another 32. A nice petite falling block with good sights. To slay hedgeapples and tin cans at ranges where you have to hold over and into the wind. Just for pure fun and skill building.
I think George Patton carried a .380 as a backup gun, and Bad Leroy Brown had a .32 gun in his pocket for fun and a razor in his shoe. And they were tough guys.
Patton reputedly had a Colt 1903 in 32 ACP. The US Army used to issue the 32 and later the 1908 380 to general officers kwhen they got their first star) with a calfskin belt and holster. They kept them when they retired. That was done until the 60's i think. And of course Patton's main handguns were a Colt SAA (nickel and engraved i think) and an S&W 357 magnum (pre Model 27). Both with ivory grips.
And neither of those weapons helped Mr. Brown prevail in his lethal encounter with Mr. McCoy. Unverified accounts suggest that Mr. McCoy entered the fray unarmed.
Smallest .32 S&W Long gun I have is an old H&R top break. It's a 5 shot .32 S&W Long with a 2 inch barrel. Sometimes it's my go to gun for when I'm dressed up and have little space to carry anything larger. I usually keep it loaded with wadcutters for self defense when it's in play but these Hard Casts would make an excellent second choice for me. Would also work well for dispatching small game in a snub nose revolver provided you can hit the target. For large animals it wouldn't do much but perhaps a head shot on something like a white tail could do the job. Would be just fine for dispatching wounded animals I'd think.
Interesting idea. The 32 has long been known for surprisingly good penetration. This does look almost ideal. I wonder if a slightly softer bullet would flatten out a bit and penetrate say 12-14". That would be good too. I think i really want an LCR in 327 for the versatility you have demonstrated. Especially with the ammo shortages, it could be quite useful. Buffalo Bore gets creative in their loads. I think they have similar loads in both 32 H&R and 327, faster and faster, which should be quite useful.
I cast some "softer" 118 gr. RNFP bullets for 32 S&W Long & load to almost 800 FPS. They do impressive damage. I've shot a coyote and some prairie poodles, and it outperforms FMJ 9mm on them. I provide them to my buddy who carries a S&W 30 for defense, and we feel they are a better choice than wadcutters.
Love my LCR and the .32 series of ammo. Nothing against the .380, I just prefer revolvers. Good to know that with the right ammo they can get the job done.
Hey wasup Sammy? Hope all is well.. This was a good comparison test as far as I can see from the results I wouldn't feel underpowered with either choice I had been told a long time ago that when carrying a smaller caliber pistol and not able to find good hollow point ammo always try to find some hard cast lead before you just get FMJ'S especially if it was really going to be used for self defense.. Buffalo Bore really does well as far as there 32s&w long cartridge never used it before in 380auto but seems like it gave good results
Hey Sam, I'd be interested to see you repeat this test with a Charter Arms Pitbull chambered in .380. They make it with a 3 inch barrel. It's model 73802 in their catalog. That would be interesting to see I think. Take care, Rob
Its always surprising what bullets will and won't go through. I made a bullet stop that was mostly just old papers and binders from my job that were now all useless and needed to be burnt. It was about 24 inches thick and backed with a steel plate. I shot some pellet guns and 22s into it, they made it a couple inches in, but nothing crazy. So I shot some 32s out of the ole skorpion and they made it nearly a foot or so. Then I shot some 90gr lee cast 32 longs and I would hear the ding of the steel plate nearly every time. The bullets looked like I could reload them again, almost no deformation. Hard cast lead is no joke.
Gotta watch out for those paint cans. Whatever's up with that LCP is enough to make me go with the LCR instead. I bet the LCP is easier to deep conceal though.
I have noticed that the LCP will run near 100% with ammo that happens to have an exterior energy of 140 to 150 ft lbs. More than that it it jams, the higher you go the more it jams. I never shot anything below 140 ft lbs.
200+ ft-lbs out of a .380 pocket gun! D A N G ! Nice to see those issues clear up. I've been waiting for the coated version from Underwood to come available. They won't be 956 f/s tho.
as a reloader of 43 years testing loads and weapons and the great debate over pocket pistols, what's the best you can carry?2 in fixed sight quality made 357 magnum with options for younger or older hands in any 38 special but any well made pistol/revolver that's reasonablely accurate, flawless in operation regardless of caliber, brand, price is worthy as a self defense pocket pistol. the street trash who is about to be on the pavement bleeding out crying I want my momma don't if it's a well made 200 dollar Taurus spectrum 380 or a 900 dollar new Colt Cobra 357 mag. he's dying heaven or hell he done made that decision. papa wishing you well
@Gun Sam_Revolver Aficionado -- I was surprised at the uncharacteristically poor accuracy of the LCR with S&W 32 Long. You normally are exceptionally accurate with that: super flat shooting. Any thoughts on the apparent disparity? Thanks for ANOTHER great vid!!!
Nice video, but like you said, "I would like to have something better" in the woods. My .S&W 640 j-frame loaded with .357 magnum is what I have always used.
I need 32 S&WL wish you would have tried the Buffalo 32swl wad cutters Im going to order a cpl boxes of each soon, the wad cutters have more velocity and a little heavier bullet from what i read on their site! cool video!
Great video again.. But I've gotta put my two penny's in here... The gun you got and yes it maybe the only one you have for the 380 is shit!!! Actually both are. Yes it's all you have but hey I've gotta be honest.... 380 +P hard cast from Buffalo Bore is bad ass for that round!! A Walther PPK/S is a perfect gun for it!!! A 32 will kill so will a 22 yet in the woods well I'm sticking with s 44 Mag!!! I love your videos! Great job brother!😎👍🔫
I would like to get a .22 pistol again, as I used to have a Ruger 22/45. I honestly think if someone is going to .22 LR, I have the total opposite opinion of most saying "oh you need a revolver because ammo reliability". But the truth is, if you carry CCI ammo in a Ruger 22/45 or similar gun, it won't jam, as I used to go through 500 round bricks of CCI in the one I used to have with no jams. But the reason I say quality semi auto over revolver is I used to shoot the whole magazine in headshots without missing. I could probably shoot 2 head shots with a 9mm shooting fast and the rest misses. But when you think about handgun self defense in general it always comes down to the double tap, if does not work then head shot. Well, with a reliable and accurate semi auto .22 you can double tap and then if not working, land the other 8 in the head. Not ideal for general self defense, but ideal for home defense, mass shooter stoppage etc.
I like all the ammo options you bring too light Sam, great work! I personally own 2 guns for concealed carry & really love them both. 1 revolver & 1 ACP. (Sig Sauer P238-HD/.380 & Charter Arms .357 MAG PUG.) I highly recommend you pick up a Charter Arms revolver Sam. Lifetime warranty & a real sturdy shooter for the money. Thanks for dusting off this review & getting it posted.
Thanks Sam. Agree with you these could probably get you out of a jam but I would surely prefer something better. You might get lucky and stop a black bear with one of these if you hit them in a perfect spot, but I think more than likely the bear would get to the shooter before he died. But again I don't really know and hope I don't have to find out.
.357 Magnum and 9mm are still probably the best do it all guns. Not much you can't do with them and 9mm is that one semi auto caliber that is near 100% reliable in most pistols.
What do you think would do more damage the 32 hard Cass or the 32 SJHP or the LRN. Do the regular lead bullets do much damage, because mostly all bullets now are jacketed, why is that. And what good does lead bullets do. Let me know please.
Wouldn’t a flat nose .44 magnum or higher energy round JSP probably be the best round for an actual grizzly bear? Since they should fly straight from the flat nose but expand as well?
So 380 acp ok for Polar Bears ? now would that be a charging bear or just staring at you ? do you have any Alaskan viewers ? did you have any Alaskan viewers ? LOL that's what I like bout your video's, a little comedy goes a long way ! good job again... If you have a PPK, you will hit your plate.
I'm not being a smart ass I promise. I find this interesting. Check it out. The gun community talks a lot about shooting black bears with pistols. In the southeastern U.S. there have only been two documented cases of fatalities by black bears in history. In the entirety of North America only 67 fatalities since 1900. That's half a death per year average. Which puts chances at 1 in 2.1 million. So many people however worry about it. I live in North GA. No recorded black bear attacks in history. I have hunted bears since I was about 8...so 30 years. Trust me when I say we are way more dangerous to them than us. As far as pistols go in my immediate family. Seen bears killed with 45 colt, 40s&w, and 44 special. A well placed shot is key as usual. I prefer a shotgun in a bear fight...lol. Thanks Sam.
Say Sam , I say it's time to show that spray can what happens when it tries to bite You . I think I would be standing it at the end of the range to see if it will take some medication for its bad habit of spitting on the hands of the person who bought it , a nice .38 pill ! , Shoot Straight Stay Safe & Stay Well .
I have a bunch of .32 LWC from federat champion. I was wish there was a video of it. It would be nice to know if I'd be safe with that round. Im not sure if my gun should be shooting buffalo bores. The old h&r 732 sports a 2.5" barrel though
Save you against what? I would like the deeper penetration in the .380 given a choice in the sticks..in my house, i got other guns, with lights!😉.Love my LCP...🍻
I just ordered some of the .32 long buffalo bore that you are using in this video. It's not for dangerous game though. It's for my wife for self defense because she is very small and can't handle a lot of recoil. I actually got some of the +P .380 buffalo bore as well. But then I read my lcp2 manual and it says do not shoot +P out of it. So im glad I didn't shoot it yet, and i'm gonna have to try to sell it now. But I also have the .32 long wadcutter buffalo bore that is recessed. Which round would you choose for self defense between the one in this video and that one?
I'd like to see the two Buf. Bore . 32 long styles compared too, and compared with .32 magnums too, not that u can find the latter anyplace excepr Buf Bore itself, but the BB .32 magnums r too hot for very lightweight revolvers.
I think these are not suitable against medium or bigger animals. Even though penetration in gel is there, the wound track is minimal and the animal would bleed out and die prrsumably eben hours after hit. That is enough time to rip shooter apart.
Agreed. For something like a black bear I wouldn't want anything less than a .357mag. Against a large aggressive dog,I think both of these loads would do the trick.
@@rob.3575 yep, I wouldn't feel comfortable with that even against a boar or cougar, let alone a bear. For the latter, 44 mag is the least I would consider acceptable. You need to stop that bear right in his tracks or it will rip you apart. I've seen a video where female bear got a 00 buck shotgun blast to the side and was only knocked down for a while to continue charging with twice the rage seconds later. 44 mag is minimum for me.
Possibly. But consider this; I did a test yesterday where I tested overpenetration and if it's a thing. I used my bologna packs and gel, and found that the gel was a lot more resistant to a lot of things than I previously thought. Like, I had bologna/MDF then gel then more MDF and was astonished. Long story short, I think this non expanding ammo would go much deeper in a real animal than common thought might say.
At least they are small and easy to use on yourself if a bear or something is about to rip you appart,,,at least you get it over quick and a bit less painfully.
Truth be told, the bears that this would be good for are black bears, and anything will make them leave you alone, even a bb gun hit. Against a brown bear I think I would do everything I could do to make sure I don't have to shoot.
WAS DAS .32 SMITH AND WESSON 115 GRAIN OR 130 GRAIN? EXTREME SPREAD 696 FPS TO 709 FPS IST 13 FPS VERSUS EXTREME SPREAD OF 937 FPS TO 971 FPS IST 34 FPS WITH .380 ACP 100 GRAIN MORE DIAMETER SHOULD BE GETTING MORE FPS WITH HEAVIER WEIGHT PLUS LONGER BARREL LENGTH:
@@GunSam ICH AM SURPRIZED TO SEE BUUFALO BORE WITH HIGHER WEIGHT UND LESS DIAMETER PENETRATED LESS IN DAS VIDEO: ABOUT 4 INCHES LESS: .380 ACP AT 100 GRAINS KOREKT? ICH STILL WANT TO TRY 10MMX25MM 1911 OVER .380 ACP:
May have asked on other videos but how does the 32s&w long in the lcr compare to a 22lr LCR? Looking for 22 like recoil with the lighter trigger of a center fire. My wife has neck problems and only likes 22lr as of now.
`: / is there any specific reason why a full power FMJ in either of these calibers is insufficient for this purpose? 97 grain Fiocchi FMJ in .32 Long 95 grain Federal American Eagle in .380 ACP Probably going to be in the same ball park.
I have not really extensively tested those. But I did run some .380 FMJ today and it would equate to about the same penetration as this .380. I think probably the difference is one, the FMJ will deform more against bone, and two the FMJ is getting close to max in an LCP as where I think the Buffalo VS an FMJ in a longer barrel, the Buffalo Bore would have more power. Long story short, in the LCP both this and an FMJ are close.
FMJ isn't typical in .32 S&W Long . The traditional loads are 98 Lead Round Nose , and 100gr Lead ( full) Wadcutters , primarily intended for Olympic style target pistols . Out of typical revolvers perform about the same , with the wadcutters getting the theoretical nod for the shape . Before the introduction of .32Mag , many loading manuals had seperate data for .32Long * Strong Solid Frame Revolvers * . These loads would essentially duplicate .32Mag factory loads . A 90-100 cast SWC @ actual 850fps would markedly out perform either flavor of factory load .
There's something about the .380 bullet design though. It seems to penetrate really well even in FMJ. I think it's probably because it's barely longer than it is wide, but who knows.
@@GunSam when john m. browning invented a cartridge he had other cartridges in mind, such as the 25 a.c.p...it was to equal the power of a .22 LR but out of a short 2" barrel and the .380 was designed to operate in strictly straight blow back designed guns...which cut cost and had less moving parts that would fail during combat, European ww1 and ww2 forces were looking for a more powerful cartridge to replace the .32 a.c.p military side arm at a very low cost and still have a marginally increase in power to foreign gov'ts. around the world.
@@GunSam that was what they used to call it...kinda 45 a.c.p mini me! what is sooo cool is that makers of 1911 auto's make a gun for it in this caliber.
The major difference is that FMJ or LRN can deform upon impact causing limited penetration either by mushrooming or tumbling. The hard cast ammo here is not just harder overall, but have flat noses. This prevents both mushrooming and tumbling which will cause deeper penetration than FMJ or LRN.
If that semi won't cycle it is a poor choice for defence,those weak rounds will only leave a rathole wound channel and short of a lucky cns hit will not incapacitate rapidly.
This vid was getting stale. No guys, Michigan is not this bare in May. I filmed this like April 5th give or take a day.
very cool serious question how do you thing 60 grain aguila sss in 22lr would do out of a 4 inch barrel 9 shot revolver i use it in my h&r 922 and it stabilizes but i am curious on gel or jug how it would do?
It was in the 40s this morning here in Bama. Funny how that works lol.
@@joemorganeatmyshortschannel I actually have fired that ammo in a 4" Taurus 94, it was a long time ago and I didn't film it. I do not recall exactly what the experience was, but I think I remember in flight tumbling.
@@GunSam very cool i loved the 94 i wore one out as a kid 3 firing pins and a bare barrel but was the best 22 pistol i ever had my h&r seems to like them but no slomo cam
What is hard Cass bullet made of. If my gun is chambered for s&w long could I shoot the 115gr. Hard Cass I have model 732 H&R s&wlong. Get back with me.
I have recently started to pocket carry a Smith & Wesson 30-1 snubnose in .32 Long. My choice in ammo is the Buffalo Bore hard cast. Your testing has confirmed that is a very effective personal defense round. Thanks for the video.
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That little 327 is nice, it shoots light loads to kick butt loads 👍.
That's basically the load I carry in my .32 Long revolvers (usually my S&W 30-1 snubbie). My stash were made by a now sadly defunct company. Glad to see BB has picked up the mantle. Those 115 grain hard cast lead flatpoints (boy ain't that a mouthful?) do really well. In water jugs I shot many years ago, they exited the first jug sideways and every jug thereafter that they penetrated they did so sideways. To me a yawing, long bullet like that presents more surface area than an expanded JHP. I always interpreted that penetration is definitely there but not way overboard. Glad to see your tests confirm this. As my old stash is dwinding down I think I need to get my hands on some of that Buffalo Bore ammo soon.
As for the .380, I'll never get why people say the .380 is weak. Sure, it's not a 9x19 or such, but it's not a .25, either. I probably carry a .380 more than anything (while I still have them, I like the old hydra-shoks only because they cut such a sharp hole almost caliber wide so even if they don't open they should do well).
Anyway, I'm long-winded again. As always, great video!
Red spray paint almost looked like massive slide bite for a minute watch out for those assault spray cans
You have sold me on the 32 SW. Long for a small lightweight revolver. Thanks for the video
I carry 32h&r mags in my Ruger. Great test!
Thanks!
That's pretty interesting, and I agree that .the .32 revolver does offer several options for people with recoil issues.
Nice, just picked up an LCP, good to know ball ammo penetrates pretty good out of that little gun! Another great video!
Thank you.
Good test, anything is better than a sharp stick, but having some Buffaloe Bore seems to help too.
I agree the .32 had perfect penetration. You have to give up something with lower power rounds, and I doubt if any hollow point will expand at this low velocity. This would be your best choice for self defense.
.32 Wadcutters do quite well for penetration and the softer lead sometimes does expand a bit. But yes, pretty much no .32 S&W Long JHP expands below the 900 FPS range. Hard casts like these and wadcutters really are quite nice.
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Good video. I was just thinking about buying an lcp for pocket carry, however after all of the malfunctions I'm reconsidering. The lcp is so small but you really can't beat a revolver for reliability.
Seems to happen quite often even with expert shooters under NO pressure. Auto are like Panzer tanks…really cool and great when they are functioning but…
My 10th anniversary lcp had some issues originally. Sent it in to Ruger, they had it back to me in 4 days. New slide, extractor. No issues since. I carry the underwood +p hardcast in it when I edc it. It is very powerful, reliable, accurate. I honestly think based on the tests I’ve seen of it and seen in person it would 100% work on black bear with a head shot. I wouldn’t use it for that and would carry my larger pistols like my 2.0 10mm or one of my revolvers in bear country. But if you’re just trail hiking etc it’s a lot better than what people think.
I have two of the original 1st gen. LCP .380s. Knock on wood head - but they have never jammed not even once, hundreds of rounds, including the souped up Buffalo B's.
My take away from these .327/.32 vs. .380/9mm tests are ... the LCP is a no go for me and the .32 is better than I would have thought. I'm genuinely impressed with the LCR.
No need to fire .32 Federal magnum, using a .32 H&R magnum offers a really good penetration with lower recoil and it seems with the correct ammo even .32 S&W Long. Six shoots against five .38 is a plus.
I have an LCP and put a Hogue Handall grip on it. It works really well. It attaches to the gun with an extended pin where the grip meets the horizontal and the rear of the mag well after removing a small plastic piece located there in its stead. Sure grip and less recoil/snap.
I absolutely love both of these rounds. Thank you for this comparison it makes me feel comfortable about both of the weapons in n the house....
For some reason your today's test reminded me of the old spaghetti western with Peter Lee Lawrence "Killer Caliber 32". ;)
Good test results on two pocket guns
I've ben loading a soft-cast 118 grain RNFP in 32 S&W Long for quite a while. Around 800 FPS from a 4" barrel, so only slightly warmer than the BuffBo and still within SAAMI specs. That's the load I supply to a friend who carries a S&W Model 30 for defense. Recoils like a 22 Mag and shoots tiny groups.
I bought these rounds for my S&W model 30-1. They advertise this round to be adequate for self-defense. Happy to see it delivers. Not that I would ever carry a 32 but it’s nice to know if you had to.
I do on occasion carry both a .32 acp and a 3 inch barreled .32 s&w Long. Do not underestimate a .32 they will kill!
@@red9man2130 - also consider that for about 50 years or better, .32 long put down plenty of bad guys in a law enforcement capacity.
Btw... I think my next gun will be something in 327 mag.
That way, I'll basically have a 4 cartridge gun.
... and I am rather fond of a Ruger SP101.
@@guarddog318 I’ve been keeping my eyes out for a 327 LCR. That and the SP 101 are hard to find these days
Don't discount it David. I love my LCR, and I had a hand in developing/encouraging the creation of the seven shot Charter Arms Professional in 32 H&R Magnum. They also have a six shot snubby called the Undercoverette in 32 Magnum. You might check these out also.
@@guarddog318 5 cartridge gun, you can run .32acp out of it too.
200ftlb of from a pocket .380 with a 2.75in barrel is pretty impressive. I'm not sure I'd carry it in my LCP but I also have a Beretta Pico that has softer recoil and likes warm ammo.
Still would rather have something more potent but this might would work in a pinch. Great vid as usual 👍👍
Thank you.
After seeing this test I got 2 boxes of these BB .32’s to stoke my S&W Hand Ejector, and with its 3.25” barrel BB’s website says it’ll get about 800 fps. It’s for my wife to carry as a woods gun, and while it may not stop a bear with one shot it’ll sure give it pause after five or six hits. It’ll also easily dispatch coyotes, dogs, or 2-legged predators. This round really puts the .32 SWL on the defensive map. Great test Sam, thanks! 👍
I agree on the cast bullets.They will get the job done especially on smaller calibers where expansion penetration will be a factor.I love your channel.I test my bullet performance all the time.
Thank you.
Good test Sam. An alternative for a defensive round for close encounters.🎩☯️♠️
Thank you.
@@GunSam you're welcome
If thats all I had for the woods,I would use 327 Federal mags in it.
For me I have my Charter Arms always on me loaded with 32 H&R, good cartridge. Then if I want more I can bring along my SP101 in 327 for some greater effectiveness. The SP101 is heavy but the snubbie almost makes you forget you have it on.
I got the SP101 in 32 H&R. It has never fired a factory load, except a couple 32 longs. 32's are just nice relaxing guns to shoot. A small 32 is a lot more "fun" than a 38.
I "need" another 32. A nice petite falling block with good sights. To slay hedgeapples and tin cans at ranges where you have to hold over and into the wind. Just for pure fun and skill building.
I think George Patton carried a .380 as a backup gun, and Bad Leroy Brown had a .32 gun in his pocket for fun and a razor in his shoe. And they were tough guys.
Patton reputedly had a Colt 1903 in 32 ACP. The US Army used to issue the 32 and later the 1908 380 to general officers kwhen they got their first star) with a calfskin belt and holster. They kept them when they retired. That was done until the 60's i think. And of course Patton's main handguns were a Colt SAA (nickel and engraved i think) and an S&W 357 magnum (pre Model 27). Both with ivory grips.
And neither of those weapons helped Mr. Brown prevail in his lethal encounter with Mr. McCoy. Unverified accounts suggest that Mr. McCoy entered the fray unarmed.
Smallest .32 S&W Long gun I have is an old H&R top break. It's a 5 shot .32 S&W Long with a 2 inch barrel. Sometimes it's my go to gun for when I'm dressed up and have little space to carry anything larger. I usually keep it loaded with wadcutters for self defense when it's in play but these Hard Casts would make an excellent second choice for me. Would also work well for dispatching small game in a snub nose revolver provided you can hit the target. For large animals it wouldn't do much but perhaps a head shot on something like a white tail could do the job. Would be just fine for dispatching wounded animals I'd think.
Better than a sharp stick or a flashlight. If that is what guy had it would likely get the job done. The revolver gets the nod on reliability.
Interesting idea. The 32 has long been known for surprisingly good penetration. This does look almost ideal. I wonder if a slightly softer bullet would flatten out a bit and penetrate say 12-14". That would be good too. I think i really want an LCR in 327 for the versatility you have demonstrated. Especially with the ammo shortages, it could be quite useful. Buffalo Bore gets creative in their loads. I think they have similar loads in both 32 H&R and 327, faster and faster, which should be quite useful.
I cast some "softer" 118 gr. RNFP bullets for 32 S&W Long & load to almost 800 FPS. They do impressive damage. I've shot a coyote and some prairie poodles, and it outperforms FMJ 9mm on them. I provide them to my buddy who carries a S&W 30 for defense, and we feel they are a better choice than wadcutters.
@@noahmercy-mann4323 i bet. Flat noses are known to perform well, and you don't need all that much velocity. Good to know
Love my LCR and the .32 series of ammo. Nothing against the .380, I just prefer revolvers. Good to know that with the right ammo they can get the job done.
Maaaan. I've been waiting all day for this. I was out slaving on my Saturday because I have a new pcp rifle in my sights!
Great tests my man! One of my reasons to buy anything that fires .327 is the reliability and versatility of the round itself!
Thanks!
Hey wasup Sammy? Hope all is well.. This was a good comparison test as far as I can see from the results I wouldn't feel underpowered with either choice I had been told a long time ago that when carrying a smaller caliber pistol and not able to find good hollow point ammo always try to find some hard cast lead before you just get FMJ'S especially if it was really going to be used for self defense.. Buffalo Bore really does well as far as there 32s&w long cartridge never used it before in 380auto but seems like it gave good results
Always a good video. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks!
Cool. Looks like a nice load for Mom's .32.
Thanks for another great vid. I saw Greg Ellifritz linked your video about 22 Mag vs 380 in his weekly knowledge dump blog at ActiveResponseTraining.
All the way at the bottom: www.activeresponsetraining.net/weekend-knowledge-dump-may-7-2021
Ah, cool. I have no idea lol.
Hey Sam, I'd be interested to see you repeat this test with a Charter Arms Pitbull chambered in .380. They make it with a 3 inch barrel. It's model 73802 in their catalog. That would be interesting to see I think. Take care, Rob
Its always surprising what bullets will and won't go through. I made a bullet stop that was mostly just old papers and binders from my job that were now all useless and needed to be burnt. It was about 24 inches thick and backed with a steel plate. I shot some pellet guns and 22s into it, they made it a couple inches in, but nothing crazy. So I shot some 32s out of the ole skorpion and they made it nearly a foot or so. Then I shot some 90gr lee cast 32 longs and I would hear the ding of the steel plate nearly every time. The bullets looked like I could reload them again, almost no deformation. Hard cast lead is no joke.
Beware the 380 & the 32👍!
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This was a great video. I carry the P3AT and a S&W 432 so both rounds look good for carry.
Thanks.
Gotta watch out for those paint cans. Whatever's up with that LCP is enough to make me go with the LCR instead. I bet the LCP is easier to deep conceal though.
I have noticed that the LCP will run near 100% with ammo that happens to have an exterior energy of 140 to 150 ft lbs. More than that it it jams, the higher you go the more it jams. I never shot anything below 140 ft lbs.
@@GunSam Interesting. I would have thought the locked breach design would make it less finicky with ammo.
200+ ft-lbs out of a .380 pocket gun! D A N G !
Nice to see those issues clear up. I've been waiting for the coated version from Underwood to come available. They won't be 956 f/s tho.
Underwood seems to match Buffalo Bore for semi auto cartridges, but are less powerful in revolver.
as a reloader of 43 years testing loads and weapons and the great debate over pocket pistols, what's the best you can carry?2 in fixed sight quality made 357 magnum with options for younger or older hands in any 38 special but any well made pistol/revolver that's reasonablely accurate, flawless in operation regardless of caliber, brand, price is worthy as a self defense pocket pistol. the street trash who is about to be on the pavement bleeding out crying I want my momma don't if it's a well made 200 dollar Taurus spectrum 380 or a 900 dollar new Colt Cobra 357 mag. he's dying heaven or hell he done made that decision. papa wishing you well
@Gun Sam_Revolver Aficionado -- I was surprised at the uncharacteristically poor accuracy of the LCR with S&W 32 Long. You normally are exceptionally accurate with that: super flat shooting. Any thoughts on the apparent disparity? Thanks for ANOTHER great vid!!!
OMG, what happened to your left hand??
He said something about a spray can.
@@357-swagnumultramagax9 XD
WHAT!, NO BALONEY TODAY?.
The local furry friends are going to be pissed at you Bro.. They get No lunch today! Lol..
These would probably be just about right on really aggressive possums and skunks.
Looked like the 32 wound track was larger than the 380. They be good defence ammo if your ever attacked by a poodle hahaha
8:45 - both r ok against big animals.
Nice video, but like you said, "I would like to have something better" in the woods. My .S&W 640 j-frame loaded with .357 magnum is what I have always used.
I need 32 S&WL wish you would have tried the Buffalo 32swl wad cutters Im going to order a cpl boxes of each soon, the wad cutters have more velocity and a little heavier bullet from what i read on their site! cool video!
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Great video again.. But I've gotta put my two penny's in here... The gun you got and yes it maybe the only one you have for the 380 is shit!!! Actually both are. Yes it's all you have but hey I've gotta be honest.... 380 +P hard cast from Buffalo Bore is bad ass for that round!! A Walther PPK/S is a perfect gun for it!!! A 32 will kill so will a 22 yet in the woods well I'm sticking with s 44 Mag!!! I love your videos! Great job brother!😎👍🔫
For me , if I were to go lower in power to a 38 , I would likely go to 22Lr . For small guns they did ok .
I would like to get a .22 pistol again, as I used to have a Ruger 22/45. I honestly think if someone is going to .22 LR, I have the total opposite opinion of most saying "oh you need a revolver because ammo reliability". But the truth is, if you carry CCI ammo in a Ruger 22/45 or similar gun, it won't jam, as I used to go through 500 round bricks of CCI in the one I used to have with no jams. But the reason I say quality semi auto over revolver is I used to shoot the whole magazine in headshots without missing. I could probably shoot 2 head shots with a 9mm shooting fast and the rest misses. But when you think about handgun self defense in general it always comes down to the double tap, if does not work then head shot. Well, with a reliable and accurate semi auto .22 you can double tap and then if not working, land the other 8 in the head. Not ideal for general self defense, but ideal for home defense, mass shooter stoppage etc.
I like all the ammo options you bring too light Sam, great work! I personally own 2 guns for concealed carry & really love them both. 1 revolver & 1 ACP. (Sig Sauer P238-HD/.380 & Charter Arms .357 MAG PUG.) I highly recommend you pick up a Charter Arms revolver Sam. Lifetime warranty & a real sturdy shooter for the money. Thanks for dusting off this review & getting it posted.
Thank you.
Thanks Sam. Agree with you these could probably get you out of a jam but I would surely prefer something better. You might get lucky and stop a black bear with one of these if you hit them in a perfect spot, but I think more than likely the bear would get to the shooter before he died. But again I don't really know and hope I don't have to find out.
.357 Magnum and 9mm are still probably the best do it all guns. Not much you can't do with them and 9mm is that one semi auto caliber that is near 100% reliable in most pistols.
What do you think would do more damage the 32 hard Cass or the 32 SJHP or the LRN. Do the regular lead bullets do much damage, because mostly all bullets now are jacketed, why is that. And what good does lead bullets do. Let me know please.
Very nice video you should try 32 acp
Wouldn’t a flat nose .44 magnum or higher energy round JSP probably be the best round for an actual grizzly bear? Since they should fly straight from the flat nose but expand as well?
So 380 acp ok for Polar Bears ? now would that be a charging bear or just staring at you ? do you have any Alaskan viewers ? did you have any Alaskan viewers ? LOL that's what I like bout your video's, a little comedy goes a long way ! good job again... If you have a PPK, you will hit your plate.
Hmmm, no feed issues with the revolver???
How do u think this 115 grain Buffalo Bore .32 long compares with the other .32 long BB sells, the 100 grain wadcutter, for defensive ammo?
The buffalo bore 32 how much grain is that
I stagger my 380's ,hornady cd in the pipe next up underwood hardcast fn .
I'm not being a smart ass I promise. I find this interesting. Check it out. The gun community talks a lot about shooting black bears with pistols. In the southeastern U.S. there have only been two documented cases of fatalities by black bears in history. In the entirety of North America only 67 fatalities since 1900. That's half a death per year average. Which puts chances at 1 in 2.1 million. So many people however worry about it. I live in North GA. No recorded black bear attacks in history. I have hunted bears since I was about 8...so 30 years. Trust me when I say we are way more dangerous to them than us. As far as pistols go in my immediate family. Seen bears killed with 45 colt, 40s&w, and 44 special. A well placed shot is key as usual. I prefer a shotgun in a bear fight...lol. Thanks Sam.
Say Sam , I say it's time to show that spray can what happens when it tries to bite You . I think I would be standing it at the end of the range to see if it will take some medication for its bad habit of spitting on the hands of the person who bought it , a nice .38 pill ! , Shoot Straight Stay Safe & Stay Well .
I have a bunch of .32 LWC from federat champion. I was wish there was a video of it. It would be nice to know if I'd be safe with that round. Im not sure if my gun should be shooting buffalo bores. The old h&r 732 sports a 2.5" barrel though
Save you against what? I would like the deeper penetration in the .380 given a choice in the sticks..in my house, i got other guns, with lights!😉.Love my LCP...🍻
For a really BIG animal: Point blank and through the eye, I'd feel somewhat safe for that kind of effect from these.
Too bad the buffalo bore flat nose doesn't feed well when there is a steep feed ramp like a kahr or ppk
I just ordered some of the .32 long buffalo bore that you are using in this video. It's not for dangerous game though. It's for my wife for self defense because she is very small and can't handle a lot of recoil. I actually got some of the +P .380 buffalo bore as well. But then I read my lcp2 manual and it says do not shoot +P out of it. So im glad I didn't shoot it yet, and i'm gonna have to try to sell it now. But I also have the .32 long wadcutter buffalo bore that is recessed. Which round would you choose for self defense between the one in this video and that one?
I don't recall the results of the wadcutter, but I would say both are going to probably be about as good as the other one.
I'd like to see the two Buf. Bore . 32 long styles compared too, and compared with .32 magnums too, not that u can find the latter anyplace excepr Buf Bore itself, but the BB .32 magnums r too hot for very lightweight revolvers.
But how far will they make it with the baloney pack and fibre board?
I think these are not suitable against medium or bigger animals. Even though penetration in gel is there, the wound track is minimal and the animal would bleed out and die prrsumably eben hours after hit. That is enough time to rip shooter apart.
Agreed. For something like a black bear I wouldn't want anything less than a .357mag. Against a large aggressive dog,I think both of these loads would do the trick.
@@rob.3575 yep, I wouldn't feel comfortable with that even against a boar or cougar, let alone a bear. For the latter, 44 mag is the least I would consider acceptable. You need to stop that bear right in his tracks or it will rip you apart. I've seen a video where female bear got a 00 buck shotgun blast to the side and was only knocked down for a while to continue charging with twice the rage seconds later. 44 mag is minimum for me.
Possibly. But consider this; I did a test yesterday where I tested overpenetration and if it's a thing. I used my bologna packs and gel, and found that the gel was a lot more resistant to a lot of things than I previously thought. Like, I had bologna/MDF then gel then more MDF and was astonished. Long story short, I think this non expanding ammo would go much deeper in a real animal than common thought might say.
At least they are small and easy to use on yourself if a bear or something is about to rip you appart,,,at least you get it over quick and a bit less painfully.
Truth be told, the bears that this would be good for are black bears, and anything will make them leave you alone, even a bb gun hit. Against a brown bear I think I would do everything I could do to make sure I don't have to shoot.
WAS DAS .32 SMITH AND WESSON 115 GRAIN OR 130 GRAIN? EXTREME SPREAD 696 FPS TO 709 FPS IST 13 FPS VERSUS EXTREME SPREAD OF 937 FPS TO 971 FPS IST 34 FPS WITH .380 ACP 100 GRAIN MORE DIAMETER SHOULD BE GETTING MORE FPS WITH HEAVIER WEIGHT PLUS LONGER BARREL LENGTH:
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@@GunSam ICH AM SURPRIZED TO SEE BUUFALO BORE WITH HIGHER WEIGHT UND LESS DIAMETER PENETRATED LESS IN DAS VIDEO: ABOUT 4 INCHES LESS: .380 ACP AT 100 GRAINS KOREKT?
ICH STILL WANT TO TRY 10MMX25MM 1911 OVER .380 ACP:
May have asked on other videos but how does the 32s&w long in the lcr compare to a 22lr LCR? Looking for 22 like recoil with the lighter trigger of a center fire. My wife has neck problems and only likes 22lr as of now.
32 long, .22 LR and 22 magnum feel the same to me for recoil.
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is there any specific reason why a full power FMJ in either of these calibers is insufficient for this purpose?
97 grain Fiocchi FMJ in .32 Long
95 grain Federal American Eagle in .380 ACP
Probably going to be in the same ball park.
I have not really extensively tested those. But I did run some .380 FMJ today and it would equate to about the same penetration as this .380. I think probably the difference is one, the FMJ will deform more against bone, and two the FMJ is getting close to max in an LCP as where I think the Buffalo VS an FMJ in a longer barrel, the Buffalo Bore would have more power. Long story short, in the LCP both this and an FMJ are close.
FMJ isn't typical in .32 S&W Long . The traditional loads are 98 Lead Round Nose , and 100gr Lead ( full) Wadcutters , primarily intended for Olympic style target pistols . Out of typical revolvers perform about the same , with the wadcutters getting the theoretical nod for the shape .
Before the introduction of .32Mag , many loading manuals had seperate data for .32Long * Strong Solid Frame Revolvers * . These loads would essentially duplicate .32Mag factory loads .
A 90-100 cast SWC @ actual 850fps would markedly out perform either flavor of factory load .
you know Sam that 380 with a 115gn hard cast would be equal to a 115gn hard cast .32 H&R magnum load.
There's something about the .380 bullet design though. It seems to penetrate really well even in FMJ. I think it's probably because it's barely longer than it is wide, but who knows.
@@GunSam when john m. browning invented a cartridge he had other cartridges in mind, such as the 25 a.c.p...it was to equal the power of a .22 LR but out of a short 2" barrel and the .380 was designed to operate in strictly straight blow back designed guns...which cut cost and had less moving parts that would fail during combat, European ww1 and ww2 forces were looking for a more powerful cartridge to replace the .32 a.c.p military side arm at a very low cost and still have a marginally increase in power to foreign gov'ts. around the world.
@@Ford360CID What limited knowledge I have of the .380, is it's a .45 ACP scaled down. True "ball" bullet.
@@GunSam that"s what they used to call it! whats cool is they make a 1911 version of it.
@@GunSam that was what they used to call it...kinda 45 a.c.p mini me! what is sooo cool is that makers of 1911 auto's make a gun for it in this caliber.
How would both of these compare to standard FMJ or RN ammo?
The major difference is that FMJ or LRN can deform upon impact causing limited penetration either by mushrooming or tumbling. The hard cast ammo here is not just harder overall, but have flat noses. This prevents both mushrooming and tumbling which will cause deeper penetration than FMJ or LRN.
@@GunSam thanks! Good info!
We talking 'squatch defense now or what?
Nah, you need a silver/gold alloy and it has to be blessed by a Native American Shaman. Less than that and a .500 Magnum just scratches the skin.
@@GunSam good to know
22long ammo from a rifle has killed a big grizzly. But what is possible isn't always idea nor recommended.
Some guy got a paper cut and the infection traveled to is heart and almost killed him. Truth with the "possible" part.
@@GunSam Exactly! hahaha
That 380 doesn’t like the ammo you’re using.
You won’t catch my ace carrying a .380. 😉
If that semi won't cycle it is a poor choice for defence,those weak rounds will only leave a rathole wound channel and short of a lucky cns hit will not incapacitate rapidly.
That 32 ain’t no self defense round. At the end it’s a glorified 22.
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