@@Zeryurijin But this is very often the case. And most people also fail to realize why this would be an issue. Bullies are often snowflakes, since they never had to learn to take it ...
@@JoshSweetvale "bounds of the law" as if they give a shit about that. Sexual harrasment isn't legal yet bosses do it all the time. They aren't bulletproof though and you can most certainly fight back just like OP did in the last story. Also, in the case of that bitch, she wasn't even over her she just happened to have one friend that was and that made her believe she was bulletproof. Shitheads like that need to learn and the only way they learn are by consequnces...though ofcourse those bullies will keep being pathetic and play the victim but they need to be punished non the less.
I had a coworker who made me misserable. My acid reflux would go nuts when I realized I had to work with her. She bullied me relentlessly, and I turned her into our supervisor who basically called me a liar over the whole ordeal. It got to a point where I finally gave my two weeks notice. I was free of her. She started bullying two lesbian co-workers and the sh hit the fan. She lied and said it didn't happen. She was warned not to do it again. She came back into the kitchen and started calling her lesbian co-workers all sorts of gay slurs in ear shot of the administrator and she was fired before the end of the day was over. Karma is a real b.
The friend in HR should've been reprimanded *at the very least*. If she truly were impartial then why was she pushing so hard to be the only one to deal with OP's case? I would've pushed for her friend to be fired as well
@@alfredoprime5495 On what grounds? Everything we know about her are assumptions based on the OPs account. We have to assume that she didn't have any more evidence than this. If she'd pushed this any further she might have lost her case.
@@brag0001 ok fine, no concrete evidence. However, I would at least bring it up with the HR supervisor that she was trying very hard to be the only one to deal with OP's case where anyone else who is truly impartial would just say "you want someone else? sure, less work for me! good luck!"
@@alfredoprime5495 That's something the supervisor already knows. "Very hard" in this case essentially meaning repeatedly saying "I can be impartial". She really shouldn't risk being viewed as a serial trouble maker IMO. And let's not forget: it's just a story. We don't know what percentage of it is or isn't true, and even if it was an honest account, we only know the OPs side of the story ...
First story: She's better off without someone who takes the word of others over her own and her brother is clearly a sociopath as he doesn't seem capable of the empathy needed to see what he did was bad
Not sure I agree. When people were telling me my ex cheated on me for years I always believed him when he denied it and took his side, only to find out years later it was all true. He was always very convincing though so I trusted. It wasn’t until I was confronted with one of the people he cheated on me with. She admitted it. So there is no absolute either way.
@@loribarto2119 the ex boyfriend is very stupid for not asking for verification. For much as I'm glad op got revenge on her brother, I think that is a bit of a blessing to show that the ex is a very manipulative idiot. 😑
Sorry but that's not how that works. ESPECIALLY if your partner's family member or friend is the one telling you. If it's their friends or family they're almost always going to be telling the truth cause they have more of a reason to cover for them than to lie. Smart people ALWAYS consider that such an accusation might be true and then have to decide how trustworthy they think the source is. I once had an ex tell me the guy I was dating was cheating after I didn't really believe the same news from a mutual friend. Not only was he telling the truth, he also eventually got the guy to basically admit to it in front of me. Trusting blindly is STUPID.
@AnimeWolfgamer You definitely don't know what manipulative means. There's literally nothing manipulative or idiotic about believing somebody's OWN SIBLING. In the overwhelming majority of cases siblings have way more reason to cover for their sibling rather than make things up to hurt them. If it's coming from their family or friends it's just plain stupid to assume it's sabotage. Most of the time they're going to be telling the truth.
@@Lindseyisloony blindly trusting someone, even family is stupid in general. Even with a convincing statement, it doesn't prove anything until you show actual proof. Conform trust is better then blind trust.
I bet Jill didn't see it (being fired)coming because she thought since she had Debbie as an ace in the hole, she can get away with anything. She just underestimated OP and OP was armed and ready for battle. She embarrassed Debbie and got Jill fired.
In the first story , the brother really wrecked two lives because OP's ex is still heartbroken and he's walking around in the street believing that his ex-girlfriend actually cheated on him when it was all a huge lie manufactured by OP's twin brother. If OP's ex is reading this comment, you were not the right man for her if you didn't take the time to do some snooping to see if the rumours are true.OP, you definitely pick an insecure and weak minded boyfriend. That being said, you actually dodge a bullet with him.
was gonna say, if OP is still pining for an ex who automatically believed she cheated then he wasn’t worth it at all and she needs to move on. Cut contact with the twin and move on and enjoy her life.
As someone with an HR degree, this is very true. But sometimes HR can be put into very sticky situations because of how important it is to document everything, lest the company is accused of discrimination or otherwise wrongful termination. So if you're being treated unfairly at work, it's your responsibility to prove it, otherwise the accused party can simply say they didn't do it or accuse you or the company of being the harasser. I love the company I work for a lot but it took so long to fire an incompetent trainee because she used her mental illnesses as an excuse for her poor performance and therefore HR was required by law to accommodate her as much as possible. Currently having that issue with another horrible employee in my department that has a lot of health issues so doesn't do her work because she "doesn't feel well" so HR has to go through extra hoops to accommodate her and be able to approve that she was accommodated for as much as possible should she be terminated.
@@jamesonweimann4720 actually, HR came about because of unions. The departments started forming to help companies comply with the labor laws that labor unions were helping pass. There have been studies done that because of the rise of HR and what they do for employees and employers the need for unions and union membership has diminished. While everyone says HR is only out to protect the company, remember that employees ARE the company. And as much as HR wishes they could be omniscient, they aren’t. So yes, you need to document things for yourself because otherwise people can’t help you. And a side note, I call shenanigans on the story because to have a 2 person HR team with a 45 person company is crazy, 3 people is absurd. And they suggested it was more than 3. Also, if she truly expressed concern about the 1 HR person being bias, she wouldn’t have been involved in that meeting, per her contract alone.
@@Ambidexter143 not in a company of 45 people. That’s 7% of their workforce being HR. Most companies under 100 employees have 1-2 people in their HR department. I worked for a company of 5000 employees and there were only 5 of us in HR.
First story, the bastard deserved it. After what he did, and just keep denying what happened, but remember to laugh in his face every time he calls to try and yell at you. Revel in his misery, make him KNOW you are enjoying his pain and don't hide that. Tell him "Look, I have no idea what you are talking about. I did nothing, but I sure as hell am gonna enjoy watching you suffer" and just laugh and hang up on him. Make absolutely certain he knows his suffering is your pleasure, so that maybe he'll finally have an understanding of what he did to you.
@@impishrebel5969 i agree i have aspergers and i got 100 people who can testify im not like what this op claims people with anti social disorder are like
unfortunately those type of people never will acknowledge it is their own fault. they will always shift blame and never take responsibility for their own actions.
I wonder if Debbie was fired for not being impartial and taking Jill's side. What impartial means not taking sides. Let them tell their side of the story.
The reverse uno pro revenge on a toxic workmate. I'm quite impressed with the HR since it resolved the problem in half a day, dismissed the complaint against OP and fired OP's tormentor.
@@AuskaDezjArdamaath On what grounds? OP didn't give her time to even start digging her own hole. In the story she only assumes that Debbie wouldn't have been impartial. Even if it was true, knowing something and being able to prove it are two entirely different things.
The last long story. I totally agree with how OP handled it. In fact in my humbled opinion. It wasn't over the top, mean, or anything of the sort. She rightfully stated (Dregnet: just---->) the fact. Shame of the person for what she was saying and to insult OP.
This definitely proves the old adage, "If it wasn't documented, it never happened." Oh, and I am guessing that OP is really a knockout in the looks department. Jill is jealous. And, might I add, a knockout in the patience department too.
Jill is probably one of those who is so flat chested she makes fried eggs with broken yokes look like D cups. I've encountered that type over the years, so I know they exist. And kudos to OP for when she got the implants going for a SMALLER cup size than her natural one; trust me, huge breasts like that can cause tons of back problems over time.
I won't comment on Jill or OP's looks, as there can be much more involved, such as sicknesses like annerexia, belimia, and "all natural" hypocracy. However, I do agree that Jill is most likely jealous of OP and the others for achieving what she herself wants. In other words, to compensate for not working hard and achieving those goals she wants for herself (weather she needs implants or not), Jill criticizes and condemns those who have done so as a means to avoid the guilt. That also would mean that when OP said "it was to beat cancer", Jill was unable to mask her guilt and now had the guilt of condemning a cancer survivor, so needed to get rid of OP as she has become a constant reminder that Jill cannot ignore.
@@Maninawig Jealousy & Deflection. Y do guilty people always say "It's Your Fault" when it was their own actions caused undesired results? In Jill's case it was just as u said, she didn't live up to others in the office & put them down. I believe by OP mentioning "sexual harassment" at the end won the case! (Rightfully) By Calling It That, it brought it to the forefront as to what it was. People usually think man\woman when it's a sexual thing. I myself was thinking hostile work environment. But OP was correct! & management saw it as potential law suit. I got off track, it was Jill's running her mouth that "got her fired"! Yet on her way out she blamed OP's "big mouth"!
Especially since it was Jill who started it all and *then it was Jill who escalated it to HR.* What did she _think_ was going to happen? The woman was not going to give pertinent information to defend herself? And what was Jill's complaint, anyway? _I've been bugging worker X about her implants and she told me she did it because of a cancer scare a few years ago_ ? What, exactly, did Jill tell HR that this woman had done wrong?
That last story - it isn't talked about as much, sexual harassment in the workplace from women to other women. I have an older friend who experienced something similar. It was a professional office, and this one woman, about half her age, would continually make comments about her breasts. It was so bizarre... like why? It made it so stressful for my friend because it was non-stop, that she ended up quitting.
I'm sure it's either rooted in jealousy or they realise the other woman is self conscious (maybe her breasts are big and she's had to put up with remarks all her life) and so pick away at them as a way of asserting authority by destroying their self esteem. It can be very insidious.
Sexual harassment can be male-on-male, male-on-female, female-on-male, female-on-female, and every permutation possible. None of it should happen and all of it should be treated equally.
17:20 when Jill mentioned how OP’s big mouth got her fired I got heated like YOU’RE THE ONE WHO REPORTED IT TO HR!!!! How about you kept your mouth shut since OP called you out on your bs 🙄
The first story: OP's brother is totally convinced he'll always get his way. Sociopaths are almost always sloppy covering their tracks. I, personally, would have made it look like something far worse than infidelity... something that would get that fucker on MULTIPLE watchlists. Permanently. Not necessarily as revenge, as such, but to insure that sick sadistic bastard never hurt anyone ELSE.
The implant issue, sharing medical information without permission is sue-able. The first time I heard it, I would have filed a complaint with HR mentioning that if they do not force this individual to stop sharing my medical information as gossip I will be forced to file a lawsuit against them and the company as the company has a duty by law to prevent this. Take no guff from anyone and don't be afraid to put some fear into HR, it is VERY EASY for HR to get fired for ignoring such a situation.
Because the information was not obtained from the employer HIPAA does not apply. And unfortunately to sue she has to prove that her job was in danger or that it created a hostile work environment. And proving a hostile work environment can be tricky as they don't count distasteful joking. Not saying it is right at all. Just that it is not as simple as people believe and not covered under the laws people always state.
Also the company does not have a lawful duty since they were not the ones who disclosed the information and she was not facing any work sanctions. That is why sexual harassment was mentioned. That is what they had a duty to protect from.
@@paxhumana2015 not if the information wasn't obtained by someone held to HIPAA. Overhearing the comment isn't a violation, and the coworker wouldn't be held to HIPAA. HIPAA is a fickle thing and prevents say HR anyone from telling someone about the condition, it does not hold a coworker who overheard. To be held to HIPAA you must be someone in the medical field treating who signed to abide or HR/management who signed to abide. HIPAA is expected for set people in set privileged position, it's not a blanket cover over everyone and everything. So say your out of work cos you have the flu and tell a co-worker, they CAN tell others as they are not and cannot be held to the HIPAA laws. If you tell your supervisor or manager however, they cannot say anything as to why, just you have a reasonable excuse to be off work, by law they are seen in a privileged position and most likely signed to abide by that privilege and to not divulge any personal information, including medical, if that makes sense?
The biggest issue being, using the threat of a lawsuit to force a company to take action means you will likely be seen as a potential future liability which will probably put you in a vulnerable position if anything happens in the future.
So the thing woth the brother that was his just deserts on soooooo many levels and OP really should move far as possible away and cut contact from him BUT lets face one small fact she dodged a bullet on her boyfriend. She fought to prove she was innocent and he still dumped her and said he was hurt she was lying. He doesnt deserve op and frankly her brother does deserve worse.
Story 1: I always heard about the "evil twin" in movies or on shows but DAMN...didn't know they were for real!! Story 2: Jill...Her big mouth got me fired! No Jill...your did. Jill is probably one of those narcissists that just can't NOT be the center of attention...She might be extremely jealous of OP for getting implants when couldn't afford them or something.
How appropriate, I just got a dark fluff keychain (black sheep). I might have squealed "Fluffy!!!!" in the middle of Cracker Barrel. I may or may not have been asked to leave...
The second story: OP might've been attractive enough or competent in her job for Jill to be jealous(might've been both). And Jill needed a seemingly justifiable reason to bring the office on her side. Which is petty at best, but it worked cuz some people were defending Jill even after the confrontation. I find it suspicious that Jill was escalating the issue so quickly.
After the gf found out about the cheating; i really hope the sister stopped talking to the ass. He'll never change, get rid of the negativity in your life.
2nd story... "her big mouth got her fired"..... OP did nothing wrong. Jill was the one who make OP's private life common office knowledge and used it to ridicule OP and Jill was the one who went to HR to complain about an "hostile work environment" A classic example of the proverbial idiom: "The pot calling the kettle black". If Jill kept her opinions to herself there would be no hostile work environment and if Jill did not go to HR there would be no investigation which led to Jill's termination. OP took the high road and hoped the nonsense would stop on its own. It was Jill who sowed the seeds of her own embarrassment and termination.
Jill seems like the kind of person who befriend the higher-ups with every intention of gaining authority over her peers that she will be allowed to openly abuse. Like, if someone’s alleged friendship won’t grant her total power, she won’t bother.
I had a breast reduction when I was 18 and the incisions opened back up and got infected, so now I have huge scars under my boobs. It also causes the insides of my boobs to itch and I can't seem to scratch it. I'm glad the woman in the second story was able to get hers fixed.
So glad OP won her case, it must have been traumatic enough to make the decision and then have botched painful surgery. Having found a solution and then overcome that and then be persecuted by an office ignoramous, must have been the ruddy limit. So pleased she kept her head,put her case together so well and sincerely hope she has made a full and happy recovery.
Depends on where they lived. In some places, it's illegal to create a recording of a private conversation without consent of both involved parties. In the US, states that allow recording of private conversations with consent of only one involved party are called "one-party consent" states, while states that require consent of both parties are called "two-party consent" states. (this is why many companies have recordings tell you that "this call may be recorded", BTW; as a safeguard against legal issues.) If OP lived in a one-party consent state (or international equivalent), she would be fine. However, if she lived in a two-party consent state (or international equivalent), she could potentially have gotten in legal trouble. As a side note: in the US, the legality of creating a recording of a conversation with consent of only one involved party is determined by where the recording is created. So, if you record a phone call with someone in a two-party consent state, but you happen to be in a one-party consent state during the call, you won't get in legal trouble, even if you don't inform them of said recording.
@@tygerion4404 Who cares in such a situation? All she needs is the truth from the horses mouth to playback for her ex. She might not win him back, but she might win the piece of mind that he no longer despises her ... Laws and courts can't give you justice, they will only ever give you a ruling and/or sentence.
@@tygerion4404 Again, who cares? Courts also tend to take the circumstances into account. In this case the brother would have very little legal ground to stand on. He also would have to prove the recording happened, which he can't, if the ex doesn't help him, which after hearing the recording he would be a lot less likely to do. But most important: grow some balls. Being an adult means to take responsibility for ones own actions. If you feel something needs to be set right, break the law and deal with the consequences. The law essentially is a very special menu with some very special prices. Not more, not less. The risk in such a situation is minimal. Most likely nothing happens, worst case you pay a fine.
@@brag0001 Not everyone can afford to pay fines. A 'minor' fine to you could be devastating to someone else. Even if it's $100, that can make or break some people.
Over the years I've had many friends that have had some elective surgery done, both male and female, and I have to ask, what business is it of anyone who had what done and why? Under normal conditions, most folks feel self-conscience about something when they look in the mirror. Regardless of reasons, anyone should feel free to do whatever makes them feel better about themselves without some hateful gossiper going to town on them. I'm SO happy the B got herself burned!
I would love for the first person to get her brother on tape laughing about what he did (saying op cheated) I don't care how long it's been. Her ex boyfriend is still hurt by it. You never forget a love that has cheated. Get him on tape - it's not that hard, do it over the phone. then send the tape to exboyfriend saying "I just can't stand the thought that you still think I cheated." Wouldn't it be a great story if they got back together?
What would have been great in the last story is if, when Jill and Opie encounter each other at the elevator, and Jill yells at OP, “ your big mouth got me fired”. OP would’ve been a rockstar if they had said, “No, your big mouth got you fired”.
I am so, so glad that when my wife and I were dating and then first married facebook and other social media wasn't a thing (we're in our 60's). Her older brother liked to play mind games and set everyone against each other. Me being in the military and moving us out of state was probably what saved us.
I’ve somehow found myself in the Reddit stories very recently, going through such a devastating time and your videos are making me smile and I really look forward to your stories. Thanks for being here 😊
OP’s brother is definitely a sociopath. How you could lie and do that to a sister, and not feel some level of guilt, I just don’t understand why anyone could ever do that to someone they love, or care about. That’s how you know he doesn’t live or care about her.
I am a retired surgical nurse and am having a difficult time conceptualizing a radical mastectomy that would leave such a small scar... they are usually 6 to 10 inches and run from axilla, (armpit) upward at an angle toward mid sternum. Things have either changed drastically in the past few years or OP misspoke or is uninformed.
The first story... I laughed when his gf found out that he was actually cheating on her... totally karma! I agree taking that story to the grave is best!
2nd story. I can totally relate to OP about what she went through. I have had a mastectomy but I might end up doing the same. I have cried over it feeling like I wouldn't feel like a woman if they were removed but could probably be alright with implants ( even though I never would want them unless my breasts were removed). I also probably would have tried to avoid Jill when she started as well because I wouldn't want even more attention put on me that what Jill was already doing but after asking her to stop a couple of times I would have went to HR even if it was her friend to make sure it was documented and in hopes it would stop but as far as it went with OP Idk how Id feel but I think I might want to consider sueing considering when Jill found out the reason for them she didn't have empathy or cared how her words hurt OP but instead tried to get her fired?!? That doesn't make much sense to me why she would do that but the fact Jill took it that far would be the only reason why Id considered a lawsuit. I hope OP doesn't have to deal with Jill's friend in HR coming after her bc Jill was fired. Nobody should have to work at a place where people can treat you that way and get away with it. Poor OP she went through enough without having to deal with a Jill and her HR buddy.
I know why she was upset, she was jealous of OP's implants was being useful and helpful OP with something very traumatic, where as Jill's plastic was just stuffing between her ears to keep her skull from caving in.
I'm wondering WHY OP's parents in the first story didn't step in to stop the Entitled Brother's manipulative and lying behaviors! How do you just see your own child, depressed and crying, and NOT do anything to help them or stop their abusive tormentors? The Parents are JUST as big of assholes as the Brother if they chose NOT to step in, or tell the whole truth to OP's Ex! And as for the Ex, SCREW HIM. If he's gonna believe any lies from Brother and choose HIM over his GIRLFRIEND, then it's his loss and OP should just move on. He's NOT and NEVER WILL be worth the tears and heartache, no matter how much you love him.
1st OP, I know this is an old story since I read it months and months ago. But op should get a recording of his brother admitting to lying to her boyfriend. Then show her boyfriend. Easy.
The OP here is a freaking genius. She knew exactly what would happen if she didn't compile enough compelling evidence, so she worked hard to set things right, the smart way. If only Jill could shut her mouth for 5 seconds she'd still have her job, you'd think after OP told her *why* she had her implants, she'd feel terribly guilty but I guess some people are truly heartless.
Story 1: OP has now in writing all the evidence to show her ex-boyfriend, just for the sake of it. Her brother is a person to get far away. He has really a lot of problems.
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I think "Jill's" big mouth got her fired, not OPs! Good for OP. Everyone has the right to get whatever cosmetic surgery they need to feel ok about themselves, & it's nobody else's business!
Regardless of why she had implants it’s no ones business. Yes I have a personal opinion about implants and cosmetic surgery in general but it’s my personal opinion. My husband and close friends know it and that’s who I’ll let know. I did have a co worker who got breast implants a few years ago, strictly cosmetic. She didn’t keep it a secret. I did ask her a few questions about it. But I started every question with “If you don’t mind me asking”
Last story: I personally do not care why anyone would get cosmetic surgery. It is no one else's business and Karen should be ashamed with how shallow she was to judge a person because of a surgery.
I am not sure why the woman with the breast implants would think for even one second that she would be fired. She did absolutely _nothing at all wrong_ the entire time this whole thing was going on. And Debbie in HR thinking she was going to fire her? What for, exactly? Had she fired her, this would have resulted in a huge and public lawsuit, I'm sure of it. The breast implants woman did not at any time do anything wrong and she had no reason to fear the loss of her job.
@@zerotodona1495 True, but supposedly Debbie was with HR. She can't disregard the law and then say it's because of her "clique". Again, that would be grounds for a _huge_ lawsuit, especially since this situation involved a woman's private medical records.
ive listened to the second story three times and every time i get so so so angry, i genuinely dont understand how coworkers can be like "she was just joking around!" no sir, that's workplace harassment
As a breast cancer survivor, that second story had me BOILING! OP did not have a “boob job”. She had reconstructive surgery for the amputation of body parts that had the potential of killing her! Had killed her mother and grandmother already! Why can’t people just mind their business? Worry about themselves, and let others move on with their lives??
The first story feels like a “ends justify the means” thing. In her petty revenge, OP saved her brother’s partner from the cheating asswipe that was her brother.
Should have asked brother "How does it feel to have something like that happen to him?" You don't have to confirm that you're the source. Just acknowledge the situation seems similar.
Funny how people think it is ok to gossip maliciously about others in the office, but cannot accept the fact that their own big mouths cost them their precious jobs. People don't seem to understand that you go to the office to WORK, not to mindlessly gossip. Use your mouth for better things than insulting others.
The first story, it’s not enough because she loved her boyfriend and her brother clearly didn’t care about his gf on the same level. She should go scorched earth. Try and find a way to get him fired from his job, evicted, get his car repoed. Burn it all down!
Me, I'm transgender. I cant wait to get the top surgery done and I would be able to look at the scarring while it's there with pride. But I feel so bad for op for the fact hers cause her mental pain, and I understand the feeling thanks to the fact I am trans. Losing a piece of you, that you know you're meant to have (same for the trans people who knew they were meant to have it but never had it) and just getting depressed because it's like it isnt your body. That this cant be real and that it's wrong to be missing it. That's some of the reasons why I can come up for why she was depressed like that. Why it mentally pained her so much h to see those scars. I never wish any pain like that on anyone. Never. Hell, if it was possible, she could have my chest. I don't want it. But sadly it isn't possible and it could be very dangerous for the person receiving. (Look at a video of this doctor reacting to someone demanding to be ejected in the butt with their friends fat that they just got surgically removed) All I can say, if i see anyone who went through surgery like that and feels like that, I'd show them love, tell them they are gorgeous and beautiful all the time. They need comments like that. NEED IT to help keep going and feel normal again. Make sure that they know, that scar isnt shown with lost, but to show you won a battle. A battle that you snuffed out before it got the chance to take you and over power you. You did it and beat it. And that you should be proud for your smart and fast thinking. And remind her every day of that.
Jill's big mouth is what got her fired, not anything else.
"You need to learn how to take a joke."
The people who say this are the same ones who would get angry if the "joke" was aimed at them, no doubt.
If you can't take what you dish out, you have no business doing it in the first place.
@@Zeryurijin But this is very often the case. And most people also fail to realize why this would be an issue. Bullies are often snowflakes, since they never had to learn to take it ...
"You need to learn how to submit."
That's what they mean.
People who have power over you are going to demean you, within whatever bounds of the law.
@@JoshSweetvale "bounds of the law" as if they give a shit about that. Sexual harrasment isn't legal yet bosses do it all the time.
They aren't bulletproof though and you can most certainly fight back just like OP did in the last story. Also, in the case of that bitch, she wasn't even over her she just happened to have one friend that was and that made her believe she was bulletproof. Shitheads like that need to learn and the only way they learn are by consequnces...though ofcourse those bullies will keep being pathetic and play the victim but they need to be punished non the less.
"You need to learn how to take a joke" is just gaslighting!! There is NO reason to ever be the brunt of a "joke" from a bully!
I had a coworker who made me misserable. My acid reflux would go nuts when I realized I had to work with her. She bullied me relentlessly, and I turned her into our supervisor who basically called me a liar over the whole ordeal. It got to a point where I finally gave my two weeks notice. I was free of her. She started bullying two lesbian co-workers and the sh hit the fan. She lied and said it didn't happen. She was warned not to do it again. She came back into the kitchen and started calling her lesbian co-workers all sorts of gay slurs in ear shot of the administrator and she was fired before the end of the day was over. Karma is a real b.
I hope you pulled an I told you so
Honestly your supervisor should've been disciplined or fired for not taking your complaint seriously
@@kikineptune316 that's right. She'd complained and seconds later,without asking for proof,called her a liar.
If the supervisor doesn't help always go higher up the chain
Second story: An hypocrite doesn't need a reason to be vocal. And because she had a friend in HR she thought she could get away with harrasment.
The friend in HR should've been reprimanded *at the very least*. If she truly were impartial then why was she pushing so hard to be the only one to deal with OP's case? I would've pushed for her friend to be fired as well
@@alfredoprime5495 On what grounds? Everything we know about her are assumptions based on the OPs account. We have to assume that she didn't have any more evidence than this. If she'd pushed this any further she might have lost her case.
@@brag0001 ok fine, no concrete evidence. However, I would at least bring it up with the HR supervisor that she was trying very hard to be the only one to deal with OP's case where anyone else who is truly impartial would just say "you want someone else? sure, less work for me! good luck!"
@@alfredoprime5495 That's something the supervisor already knows. "Very hard" in this case essentially meaning repeatedly saying "I can be impartial". She really shouldn't risk being viewed as a serial trouble maker IMO.
And let's not forget: it's just a story. We don't know what percentage of it is or isn't true, and even if it was an honest account, we only know the OPs side of the story ...
First story: She's better off without someone who takes the word of others over her own and her brother is clearly a sociopath as he doesn't seem capable of the empathy needed to see what he did was bad
Not sure I agree. When people were telling me my ex cheated on me for years I always believed him when he denied it and took his side, only to find out years later it was all true. He was always very convincing though so I trusted. It wasn’t until I was confronted with one of the people he cheated on me with. She admitted it. So there is no absolute either way.
@@loribarto2119 the ex boyfriend is very stupid for not asking for verification. For much as I'm glad op got revenge on her brother, I think that is a bit of a blessing to show that the ex is a very manipulative idiot. 😑
Sorry but that's not how that works. ESPECIALLY if your partner's family member or friend is the one telling you. If it's their friends or family they're almost always going to be telling the truth cause they have more of a reason to cover for them than to lie. Smart people ALWAYS consider that such an accusation might be true and then have to decide how trustworthy they think the source is. I once had an ex tell me the guy I was dating was cheating after I didn't really believe the same news from a mutual friend. Not only was he telling the truth, he also eventually got the guy to basically admit to it in front of me. Trusting blindly is STUPID.
@AnimeWolfgamer You definitely don't know what manipulative means. There's literally nothing manipulative or idiotic about believing somebody's OWN SIBLING. In the overwhelming majority of cases siblings have way more reason to cover for their sibling rather than make things up to hurt them. If it's coming from their family or friends it's just plain stupid to assume it's sabotage. Most of the time they're going to be telling the truth.
@@Lindseyisloony blindly trusting someone, even family is stupid in general. Even with a convincing statement, it doesn't prove anything until you show actual proof. Conform trust is better then blind trust.
OP's mouth didn't get Jill fired. Jill's own big mouth got herself fired.
No, brother didn't suffer enough. Since he was actually cheating, it's obvious that this break up won't impact him that much.
It also means that this was not _actually_ a "serious" girlfriend for him.
He's a sociopath, he won't be able to suffer. Aside from ending up in jail, but that can't happen with this
@@meiimacca4054 I mean, he CAN, but that usually involves illegal means so not generally an option
@@meiimacca4054 , he will suffer when he has tons of hot lead coursing through his body.
@@AngelaVEdwards Um...why? That is not mutually exclusive with cheating. Love =!= sex.
I bet Jill didn't see it (being fired)coming because she thought since she had Debbie as an ace in the hole, she can get away with anything. She just underestimated OP and OP was armed and ready for battle. She embarrassed Debbie and got Jill fired.
Debbie is probably on thin ice with her employer too
Jill probably fostered that friendship with Debbie on purpose, because she was HR.
@@i_am_bisexual_or_something3132i sure hope so.
In the first story , the brother really wrecked two lives because OP's ex is still heartbroken and he's walking around in the street believing that his ex-girlfriend actually cheated on him when it was all a huge lie manufactured by OP's twin brother. If OP's ex is reading this comment, you were not the right man for her if you didn't take the time to do some snooping to see if the rumours are true.OP, you definitely pick an insecure and weak minded boyfriend. That being said, you actually dodge a bullet with him.
was gonna say, if OP is still pining for an ex who automatically believed she cheated then he wasn’t worth it at all and she needs to move on. Cut contact with the twin and move on and enjoy her life.
First story: NOT ENOUGH. If a sibling did that to me I'll go supernova. Screw up what little I really enjoy in life means an all out war.
Crank that f*cker up to r/BlackHoleRevenge
Exactly. Like it wasn’t to much It just wasn’t enough
Yeah, the fact he kept his testicles sucks.
Hey we both have hand drawn profile pictures... Sorry that's all I thought about
Facts
Remember, HR is there to protect the COMPANY, not you. Always protect yourself in your workplace.
As someone with an HR degree, this is very true. But sometimes HR can be put into very sticky situations because of how important it is to document everything, lest the company is accused of discrimination or otherwise wrongful termination. So if you're being treated unfairly at work, it's your responsibility to prove it, otherwise the accused party can simply say they didn't do it or accuse you or the company of being the harasser. I love the company I work for a lot but it took so long to fire an incompetent trainee because she used her mental illnesses as an excuse for her poor performance and therefore HR was required by law to accommodate her as much as possible. Currently having that issue with another horrible employee in my department that has a lot of health issues so doesn't do her work because she "doesn't feel well" so HR has to go through extra hoops to accommodate her and be able to approve that she was accommodated for as much as possible should she be terminated.
That’s why unions where made
@@jamesonweimann4720 actually, HR came about because of unions. The departments started forming to help companies comply with the labor laws that labor unions were helping pass. There have been studies done that because of the rise of HR and what they do for employees and employers the need for unions and union membership has diminished. While everyone says HR is only out to protect the company, remember that employees ARE the company. And as much as HR wishes they could be omniscient, they aren’t. So yes, you need to document things for yourself because otherwise people can’t help you.
And a side note, I call shenanigans on the story because to have a 2 person HR team with a 45 person company is crazy, 3 people is absurd. And they suggested it was more than 3. Also, if she truly expressed concern about the 1 HR person being bias, she wouldn’t have been involved in that meeting, per her contract alone.
@@kellyc4729 Quite likely while there were more than three people working in HR it's possible that only a couple get involved in harassment disputes.
@@Ambidexter143 not in a company of 45 people. That’s 7% of their workforce being HR. Most companies under 100 employees have 1-2 people in their HR department. I worked for a company of 5000 employees and there were only 5 of us in HR.
First story, the bastard deserved it. After what he did, and just keep denying what happened, but remember to laugh in his face every time he calls to try and yell at you. Revel in his misery, make him KNOW you are enjoying his pain and don't hide that. Tell him "Look, I have no idea what you are talking about. I did nothing, but I sure as hell am gonna enjoy watching you suffer" and just laugh and hang up on him. Make absolutely certain he knows his suffering is your pleasure, so that maybe he'll finally have an understanding of what he did to you.
You don't undestand, do you? That boy is a textbook psycho. And when it comes to snakes... you don't simply injure them.
Story 1: OP’s brother is actually a textbook case of antisocial personality disorder and may be an actual threat to her well being
completely agree. And it's weird, but he's the "evil twin". There always seems to be one, doesn't there?
@@Kayenne54 not always, I know several twins and they’re either equally evil or not evil at all
Don't mince words with "correct diagnosis" terms few people understand. Just call it like it is. He's a psychopath.
@@impishrebel5969 i agree i have aspergers and i got 100 people who can testify im not like what this op claims people with anti social disorder are like
I hope he's put down before he manages to start killing people.
Last story; it wasn't OP's big mouth that got you fired, it was your big mouth and your shallowness that got you fired.
And the insults/ sexual harassment
unfortunately those type of people never will acknowledge it is their own fault. they will always shift blame and never take responsibility for their own actions.
I wonder if Debbie was fired for not being impartial and taking Jill's side. What impartial means not taking sides. Let them tell their side of the story.
The reverse uno pro revenge on a toxic workmate. I'm quite impressed with the HR since it resolved the problem in half a day, dismissed the complaint against OP and fired OP's tormentor.
Cherry on the sundae would have bern Debbie being reprimanded.
@@AuskaDezjArdamaath On what grounds? OP didn't give her time to even start digging her own hole. In the story she only assumes that Debbie wouldn't have been impartial. Even if it was true, knowing something and being able to prove it are two entirely different things.
The last long story. I totally agree with how OP handled it. In fact in my humbled opinion. It wasn't over the top, mean, or anything of the sort. She rightfully stated (Dregnet: just---->) the fact. Shame of the person for what she was saying and to insult OP.
Being friends with a higher-up doesn’t mean you get to be an A-hole to someone else.
This definitely proves the old adage, "If it wasn't documented, it never happened." Oh, and I am guessing that OP is really a knockout in the looks department. Jill is jealous. And, might I add, a knockout in the patience department too.
Jill is probably one of those who is so flat chested she makes fried eggs with broken yokes look like D cups. I've encountered that type over the years, so I know they exist. And kudos to OP for when she got the implants going for a SMALLER cup size than her natural one; trust me, huge breasts like that can cause tons of back problems over time.
It wasn't revenge. It was justice.
I won't comment on Jill or OP's looks, as there can be much more involved, such as sicknesses like annerexia, belimia, and "all natural" hypocracy. However, I do agree that Jill is most likely jealous of OP and the others for achieving what she herself wants.
In other words, to compensate for not working hard and achieving those goals she wants for herself (weather she needs implants or not), Jill criticizes and condemns those who have done so as a means to avoid the guilt. That also would mean that when OP said "it was to beat cancer", Jill was unable to mask her guilt and now had the guilt of condemning a cancer survivor, so needed to get rid of OP as she has become a constant reminder that Jill cannot ignore.
That was my thought too..... "Jill" is a jealous B...... ". Glad she got burned in the end.
@@Maninawig Jealousy & Deflection. Y do guilty people always say "It's Your Fault" when it was their own actions caused undesired results? In Jill's case it was just as u said, she didn't live up to others in the office & put them down. I believe by OP mentioning "sexual harassment" at the end won the case! (Rightfully) By Calling It That, it brought it to the forefront as to what it was. People usually think man\woman when it's a sexual thing. I myself was thinking hostile work environment. But OP was correct! & management saw it as potential law suit.
I got off track, it was Jill's running her mouth that "got her fired"! Yet on her way out she blamed OP's "big mouth"!
No, Jill, it wasn't OP's big mouth that got you fired. It was your own.
Especially since it was Jill who started it all and *then it was Jill who escalated it to HR.* What did she _think_ was going to happen? The woman was not going to give pertinent information to defend herself? And what was Jill's complaint, anyway? _I've been bugging worker X about her implants and she told me she did it because of a cancer scare a few years ago_ ? What, exactly, did Jill tell HR that this woman had done wrong?
@@AngelaVEdwards I suspect she was counting on her BFF in HR to ignore anything OP had to say in her defence then kick her to the curb.
That last story - it isn't talked about as much, sexual harassment in the workplace from women to other women. I have an older friend who experienced something similar. It was a professional office, and this one woman, about half her age, would continually make comments about her breasts. It was so bizarre... like why? It made it so stressful for my friend because it was non-stop, that she ended up quitting.
I'm sure it's either rooted in jealousy or they realise the other woman is self conscious (maybe her breasts are big and she's had to put up with remarks all her life) and so pick away at them as a way of asserting authority by destroying their self esteem. It can be very insidious.
The only person I've ever worked with who was fired for sexual harassment was a woman.
Sexual harassment can be male-on-male, male-on-female, female-on-male, female-on-female, and every permutation possible. None of it should happen and all of it should be treated equally.
Last story - "No Jill, YOUR big mouth got you fired!"
I wonder if the HR lady was reprimanded.
I recall reading the first story her brother was still with his girlfriend because of his manipulative behavior
How horrible...
17:20 when Jill mentioned how OP’s big mouth got her fired I got heated like YOU’RE THE ONE WHO REPORTED IT TO HR!!!! How about you kept your mouth shut since OP called you out on your bs 🙄
Props to OP in the second story for actually reading the contract and retaining the relevant information that didn't let Debbie fire her.
JILL'S big mouth got her fired! She was probably jealous.
that's what I was thinking as well
I believe she was and I wouldn't put it past her to say "I bet OP sleeps around because she's easy!"
The first story: OP's brother is totally convinced he'll always get his way. Sociopaths are almost always sloppy covering their tracks.
I, personally, would have made it look like something far worse than infidelity... something that would get that fucker on MULTIPLE watchlists. Permanently.
Not necessarily as revenge, as such, but to insure that sick sadistic bastard never hurt anyone ELSE.
Nice, someone like that needs to be watched if they are willing to hurt their family
The implant issue, sharing medical information without permission is sue-able. The first time I heard it, I would have filed a complaint with HR mentioning that if they do not force this individual to stop sharing my medical information as gossip I will be forced to file a lawsuit against them and the company as the company has a duty by law to prevent this.
Take no guff from anyone and don't be afraid to put some fear into HR, it is VERY EASY for HR to get fired for ignoring such a situation.
I think that it violates HIPAA in the USA, right?
Because the information was not obtained from the employer HIPAA does not apply. And unfortunately to sue she has to prove that her job was in danger or that it created a hostile work environment. And proving a hostile work environment can be tricky as they don't count distasteful joking. Not saying it is right at all. Just that it is not as simple as people believe and not covered under the laws people always state.
Also the company does not have a lawful duty since they were not the ones who disclosed the information and she was not facing any work sanctions. That is why sexual harassment was mentioned. That is what they had a duty to protect from.
@@paxhumana2015 not if the information wasn't obtained by someone held to HIPAA. Overhearing the comment isn't a violation, and the coworker wouldn't be held to HIPAA. HIPAA is a fickle thing and prevents say HR anyone from telling someone about the condition, it does not hold a coworker who overheard. To be held to HIPAA you must be someone in the medical field treating who signed to abide or HR/management who signed to abide.
HIPAA is expected for set people in set privileged position, it's not a blanket cover over everyone and everything. So say your out of work cos you have the flu and tell a co-worker, they CAN tell others as they are not and cannot be held to the HIPAA laws. If you tell your supervisor or manager however, they cannot say anything as to why, just you have a reasonable excuse to be off work, by law they are seen in a privileged position and most likely signed to abide by that privilege and to not divulge any personal information, including medical, if that makes sense?
The biggest issue being, using the threat of a lawsuit to force a company to take action means you will likely be seen as a potential future liability which will probably put you in a vulnerable position if anything happens in the future.
The 2nd story wasn't revenge. It was justice.
OP2 still had to do something about it. I'd say it's both. If she didn't do anything about the bully, justice would never be served.
@@AwkwrdPrtMskrt I'm not saying she didn't have to do anything...
So the thing woth the brother that was his just deserts on soooooo many levels and OP really should move far as possible away and cut contact from him BUT lets face one small fact she dodged a bullet on her boyfriend. She fought to prove she was innocent and he still dumped her and said he was hurt she was lying. He doesnt deserve op and frankly her brother does deserve worse.
Story 1: I always heard about the "evil twin" in movies or on shows but DAMN...didn't know they were for real!!
Story 2: Jill...Her big mouth got me fired! No Jill...your did.
Jill is probably one of those narcissists that just can't NOT be the center of attention...She might be extremely jealous of OP for getting implants when couldn't afford them or something.
How appropriate, I just got a dark fluff keychain (black sheep). I might have squealed "Fluffy!!!!" in the middle of Cracker Barrel. I may or may not have been asked to leave...
She probably was so vocal because of her own insecurities/jealousy.
Bullies like easy targets, and OP was an easy target.
The second story: OP might've been attractive enough or competent in her job for Jill to be jealous(might've been both). And Jill needed a seemingly justifiable reason to bring the office on her side. Which is petty at best, but it worked cuz some people were defending Jill even after the confrontation. I find it suspicious that Jill was escalating the issue so quickly.
After the gf found out about the cheating; i really hope the sister stopped talking to the ass. He'll never change, get rid of the negativity in your life.
Brother feels like he might be an actual sociopath
He's the one of those who wanted to see the world burn.
2nd story... "her big mouth got her fired"..... OP did nothing wrong. Jill was the one who make OP's private life common office knowledge and used it to ridicule OP and Jill was the one who went to HR to complain about an "hostile work environment" A classic example of the proverbial idiom: "The pot calling the kettle black". If Jill kept her opinions to herself there would be no hostile work environment and if Jill did not go to HR there would be no investigation which led to Jill's termination. OP took the high road and hoped the nonsense would stop on its own. It was Jill who sowed the seeds of her own embarrassment and termination.
First story: I WANT MORE!!! Op should have gone Nuclear or Blackhole!!! The brother is a p.o.s.
Jill seems like the kind of person who befriend the higher-ups with every intention of gaining authority over her peers that she will be allowed to openly abuse. Like, if someone’s alleged friendship won’t grant her total power, she won’t bother.
I had a breast reduction when I was 18 and the incisions opened back up and got infected, so now I have huge scars under my boobs. It also causes the insides of my boobs to itch and I can't seem to scratch it. I'm glad the woman in the second story was able to get hers fixed.
Karen: Bullying a co-worker is perfectly fine
(when the bullied co-worker stands up_
Karen: Thats illegal
Jill: I am the victim of a hate crime.
Co-Worker: That's not what a hate crime is.
Jill: Well, I hated it!
So glad OP won her case, it must have been traumatic enough to make the decision and then have botched painful surgery. Having found a solution and then overcome that and then be persecuted by an office ignoramous, must have been the ruddy limit. So pleased she kept her head,put her case together so well and sincerely hope she has made a full and happy recovery.
That one lady is super lucky she didn't get sued for everything she owns for workplace sexual harassment.
hope everyone enjoys the video, and has a wonderful day/night!
You too
For the OP in the first story: “Admit nothing, Deny Everything, & make counter accusations!”
Good use of plausible deniability.
TRUTH works better!
For the lying brother, op is stupid for not simply goading him into incriminating statements while secretly recording him.
Depends on where they lived. In some places, it's illegal to create a recording of a private conversation without consent of both involved parties. In the US, states that allow recording of private conversations with consent of only one involved party are called "one-party consent" states, while states that require consent of both parties are called "two-party consent" states. (this is why many companies have recordings tell you that "this call may be recorded", BTW; as a safeguard against legal issues.)
If OP lived in a one-party consent state (or international equivalent), she would be fine. However, if she lived in a two-party consent state (or international equivalent), she could potentially have gotten in legal trouble.
As a side note: in the US, the legality of creating a recording of a conversation with consent of only one involved party is determined by where the recording is created. So, if you record a phone call with someone in a two-party consent state, but you happen to be in a one-party consent state during the call, you won't get in legal trouble, even if you don't inform them of said recording.
@@tygerion4404 Who cares in such a situation? All she needs is the truth from the horses mouth to playback for her ex. She might not win him back, but she might win the piece of mind that he no longer despises her ...
Laws and courts can't give you justice, they will only ever give you a ruling and/or sentence.
@@brag0001 True, but if the ex had confronted OP's brother, OP's Brother could have potentially gotten her into legal trouble.
@@tygerion4404 Again, who cares? Courts also tend to take the circumstances into account. In this case the brother would have very little legal ground to stand on. He also would have to prove the recording happened, which he can't, if the ex doesn't help him, which after hearing the recording he would be a lot less likely to do.
But most important: grow some balls. Being an adult means to take responsibility for ones own actions. If you feel something needs to be set right, break the law and deal with the consequences. The law essentially is a very special menu with some very special prices. Not more, not less. The risk in such a situation is minimal. Most likely nothing happens, worst case you pay a fine.
@@brag0001 Not everyone can afford to pay fines. A 'minor' fine to you could be devastating to someone else. Even if it's $100, that can make or break some people.
Over the years I've had many friends that have had some elective surgery done, both male and female, and I have to ask, what business is it of anyone who had what done and why? Under normal conditions, most folks feel self-conscience about something when they look in the mirror. Regardless of reasons, anyone should feel free to do whatever makes them feel better about themselves without some hateful gossiper going to town on them. I'm SO happy the B got herself burned!
Story 1 OP's brother is a full-fledged psychopath. The world would be better without him.
I would love for the first person to get her brother on tape laughing about what he did (saying op cheated) I don't care how long it's been. Her ex boyfriend is still hurt by it. You never forget a love that has cheated. Get him on tape - it's not that hard, do it over the phone. then send the tape to exboyfriend saying "I just can't stand the thought that you still think I cheated." Wouldn't it be a great story if they got back together?
"It's okay, Evil Brother. Cry. Let it all out. Your pain nourishes me..."
What would have been great in the last story is if, when Jill and Opie encounter each other at the elevator, and Jill yells at OP, “ your big mouth got me fired”.
OP would’ve been a rockstar if they had said, “No, your big mouth got you fired”.
I am so, so glad that when my wife and I were dating and then first married facebook and other social media wasn't a thing (we're in our 60's). Her older brother liked to play mind games and set everyone against each other. Me being in the military and moving us out of state was probably what saved us.
I’ve somehow found myself in the Reddit stories very recently, going through such a devastating time and your videos are making me smile and I really look forward to your stories. Thanks for being here 😊
OP’s brother is definitely a sociopath. How you could lie and do that to a sister, and not feel some level of guilt, I just don’t understand why anyone could ever do that to someone they love, or care about. That’s how you know he doesn’t live or care about her.
She needs to get away from him. Permanent no contact. He has no empathy, no sense of guilt, and hurts people including her for fun!
I am a retired surgical nurse and am having a difficult time conceptualizing a radical mastectomy that would leave such a small scar... they are usually 6 to 10 inches and run from axilla, (armpit) upward at an angle toward mid sternum. Things have either changed drastically in the past few years or OP misspoke or is uninformed.
The first story... I laughed when his gf found out that he was actually cheating on her... totally karma! I agree taking that story to the grave is best!
2nd story. I can totally relate to OP about what she went through. I have had a mastectomy but I might end up doing the same. I have cried over it feeling like I wouldn't feel like a woman if they were removed but could probably be alright with implants ( even though I never would want them unless my breasts were removed). I also probably would have tried to avoid Jill when she started as well because I wouldn't want even more attention put on me that what Jill was already doing but after asking her to stop a couple of times I would have went to HR even if it was her friend to make sure it was documented and in hopes it would stop but as far as it went with OP Idk how Id feel but I think I might want to consider sueing considering when Jill found out the reason for them she didn't have empathy or cared how her words hurt OP but instead tried to get her fired?!? That doesn't make much sense to me why she would do that but the fact Jill took it that far would be the only reason why Id considered a lawsuit.
I hope OP doesn't have to deal with Jill's friend in HR coming after her bc Jill was fired. Nobody should have to work at a place where people can treat you that way and get away with it. Poor OP she went through enough without having to deal with a Jill and her HR buddy.
First story, I'm glad OP broke up her brother's relationship with that girl. Nobody deserves to be with such a horrible psychopath as him!
This should have gone on r/justiceserved. At least I think that's what it's called. I love those stories.
I know why she was upset, she was jealous of OP's implants was being useful and helpful OP with something very traumatic, where as Jill's plastic was just stuffing between her ears to keep her skull from caving in.
Actually,if she were to shake her head,you would hear the muddy water slosh around.
Sorry, no. Noise won't travel in a vacuum. And a vacuum is what occupies the space between Jill's ears.
2nd story I actually read before but not in Dark Fluff's voice. I was wondering when he would read it. I was not disappointed. : )
@17:26 "She then starts telling anybody who will listen that my big mouth got her fired." No, her own big mouth got her fired.
That sister's revenge was a godsend for her brother's girlfriend. It is better that she found out sooner rather than later.
I'm wondering WHY OP's parents in the first story didn't step in to stop the Entitled Brother's manipulative and lying behaviors!
How do you just see your own child, depressed and crying, and NOT do anything to help them or stop their abusive tormentors?
The Parents are JUST as big of assholes as the Brother if they chose NOT to step in, or tell the whole truth to OP's Ex!
And as for the Ex, SCREW HIM. If he's gonna believe any lies from Brother and choose HIM over his GIRLFRIEND, then it's his loss and OP should just move on. He's NOT and NEVER WILL be worth the tears and heartache, no matter how much you love him.
1st OP, I know this is an old story since I read it months and months ago. But op should get a recording of his brother admitting to lying to her boyfriend. Then show her boyfriend. Easy.
Actually, in story # 1 OP was the GF's best possible friend. She saved the GF a LOT of pain and despair in the future.
It wasn't Op's fault Jill got fired, it's her own BIG mouth that did it.
Ex-boyfriend from story one: *Sees this and goes 'Oh snap, i'm such a jerk.. i didn't believe her when i should've... '*
I don't drink, but I remember that we always have r/Prorevenge served with glass of beer here :)
The OP here is a freaking genius.
She knew exactly what would happen if she didn't compile enough compelling evidence, so she worked hard to set things right, the smart way.
If only Jill could shut her mouth for 5 seconds she'd still have her job, you'd think after OP told her *why* she had her implants, she'd feel terribly guilty
but I guess some people are truly heartless.
Story 1: OP has now in writing all the evidence to show her ex-boyfriend, just for the sake of it.
Her brother is a person to get far away. He has really a lot of problems.
Whoa! The twin brother lied about his sister and he had actually cheated on his girlfriend. That is so wrong. Karma struck him real hard.
#1: your ex-boyfriend is shallow and not worth it. Great revenge. Love it.
Absolutely digging the channel content. Best discovery ever lol
Note for people struggling with scars, or other marks on their skin like stretch marks, that makes them uncomfortable: try raw shea butter. Over time it does erase them, or makes them less noticeable faster than other creams and whatnot. It definitely helped my mother with her C-section scar that was three deep.
Day #74 of telling fluff he’s beautiful too
Day #55 of telling stevo he’s beautiful
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@@DarkFluff no me.
I think "Jill's" big mouth got her fired, not OPs! Good for OP. Everyone has the right to get whatever cosmetic surgery they need to feel ok about themselves, & it's nobody else's business!
Regardless of why she had implants it’s no ones business. Yes I have a personal opinion about implants and cosmetic surgery in general but it’s my personal opinion. My husband and close friends know it and that’s who I’ll let know.
I did have a co worker who got breast implants a few years ago, strictly cosmetic. She didn’t keep it a secret. I did ask her a few questions about it. But I started every question with “If you don’t mind me asking”
Jill was right, somebody's big mouth got her fired...but it wasn't OP's.😁
Last story: I personally do not care why anyone would get cosmetic surgery. It is no one else's business and Karen should be ashamed with how shallow she was to judge a person because of a surgery.
I would have looked at the gal who tortured op and said "Well maybe next time you see someone like this you won't make fun of them"
“My big mouth got her fired”
No it was HER big mouth that got her fired
Workplace bullies cultivate relationships which insures their continued bullying. Thank God the word "impartial" was in that clause.
If i was OP1, my brother wouldn't be able to stand for the rest of his miserable existence if he did that to me. Good on OP1 for getting revenge.
I was going into that first story believing that OP was going to fight sociopathy with Sociopathy, But I was dead wrong
I am not sure why the woman with the breast implants would think for even one second that she would be fired. She did absolutely _nothing at all wrong_ the entire time this whole thing was going on. And Debbie in HR thinking she was going to fire her? What for, exactly? Had she fired her, this would have resulted in a huge and public lawsuit, I'm sure of it. The breast implants woman did not at any time do anything wrong and she had no reason to fear the loss of her job.
My dudette, clicks are a thing in the work place.
@@zerotodona1495 True, but supposedly Debbie was with HR. She can't disregard the law and then say it's because of her "clique". Again, that would be grounds for a _huge_ lawsuit, especially since this situation involved a woman's private medical records.
I agree, I do not understand how OP setting Jill straight created a hostile work environment.
Hopefully the next story from OP in the second story is about how Debbie from HR got the boot for being an 'impartial' friend with the coniving Jill.
ive listened to the second story three times and every time i get so so so angry, i genuinely dont understand how coworkers can be like "she was just joking around!" no sir, that's workplace harassment
Jill's complaint was the sole reason she was fired
It's kind of ridiculous that the co-worker called/implied that O.P. was shallow when the co-worker was the one so obsessed with OP's appearance.
That last 1 was fantastic. Hats off to OP for standing your ground.
As a breast cancer survivor, that second story had me BOILING! OP did not have a “boob job”. She had reconstructive surgery for the amputation of body parts that had the potential of killing her! Had killed her mother and grandmother already! Why can’t people just mind their business? Worry about themselves, and let others move on with their lives??
The first story feels like a “ends justify the means” thing. In her petty revenge, OP saved her brother’s partner from the cheating asswipe that was her brother.
Should have asked brother "How does it feel to have something like that happen to him?" You don't have to confirm that you're the source. Just acknowledge the situation seems similar.
Funny how people think it is ok to gossip maliciously about others in the office, but cannot accept the fact that their own big mouths cost them their precious jobs. People don't seem to understand that you go to the office to WORK, not to mindlessly gossip. Use your mouth for better things than insulting others.
There's an old saying "loose lips sink ships" and I will have to say that Jill's ship was torpedoed.
It's 2:30 in the morning here and I'm still binge watching your videos
The audacity of Jill to throw a toxic workplace complaint at OP! Hypocrisy and projection!
The first story, it’s not enough because she loved her boyfriend and her brother clearly didn’t care about his gf on the same level. She should go scorched earth. Try and find a way to get him fired from his job, evicted, get his car repoed. Burn it all down!
Me, I'm transgender. I cant wait to get the top surgery done and I would be able to look at the scarring while it's there with pride. But I feel so bad for op for the fact hers cause her mental pain, and I understand the feeling thanks to the fact I am trans. Losing a piece of you, that you know you're meant to have (same for the trans people who knew they were meant to have it but never had it) and just getting depressed because it's like it isnt your body. That this cant be real and that it's wrong to be missing it. That's some of the reasons why I can come up for why she was depressed like that. Why it mentally pained her so much h to see those scars. I never wish any pain like that on anyone. Never. Hell, if it was possible, she could have my chest. I don't want it. But sadly it isn't possible and it could be very dangerous for the person receiving. (Look at a video of this doctor reacting to someone demanding to be ejected in the butt with their friends fat that they just got surgically removed)
All I can say, if i see anyone who went through surgery like that and feels like that, I'd show them love, tell them they are gorgeous and beautiful all the time. They need comments like that. NEED IT to help keep going and feel normal again. Make sure that they know, that scar isnt shown with lost, but to show you won a battle. A battle that you snuffed out before it got the chance to take you and over power you. You did it and beat it. And that you should be proud for your smart and fast thinking. And remind her every day of that.
Her brother inadvertently confessed to the lie when begging her to reveal hers, she could show that to her ex and finally get closure