Hope you all enjoyed the video! Bear in mind, these are just 5 of our favorites! There are PLENTY MORE! Which are your favorite theories? Let us know! :)
The most compelling theory for me is the alternative timeline. I hope more definite and tangible evidence shows up in the future. I am sure we all want closure to a game we'd been waiting for for years.
Theories being what they are, they do engage in some creative thinking. I especially like the fact that fans are delving into the mass potential the FFXV universe had. Regardless of how strong or weak these theories are, they're all neat and it's nice to see the passion of the FF community ^_^ Oh and I absolutely ADORE the Pitioss Ruins theory. It's absolutely splendid. Great video guys! Keep up the good work!
Regarding those alternate timelines, there's more to it. As Final Fantasy Peasant mentioned in his more in depth video. Theory is that Regis learned how to manipulate with time and created a new timeline. What we see in Omen trailer is previous failed timeline, game is another not ideal timeline and that wedding is from another timeline, but actually succesfull one. Interesting is that all those lore and story theories fit together. Ifrit's past, Ardyn's origin, Eos and the other ones. Highly recomend checking Final Fantasy Peasant's videos about those theories.
Ah, yes, that picture with pre departure post departure etc. There also was post departure part marked as alternate timeline which most likely is that wedding scene.
I was thinking the exact same thing... There's so much more to the time travel/alternate realities theory than what's described in this video, especially now that we that one screenshot, which phxrebirth mentioned above.
Agreed, it's definitely worth checking out his videos for more detail on some of these theories. There's so much unknown, but they do leave little hints here and there. Definitely should have put in that GDC screenshot >.< ~Darryl
I'm keen on the timeline reset theory. The ending is just kinda bleak otherwise. Either Ardyn was removed from the timeline or time was put back far enough that the Hexatheon could do right by him. And I'd side on the second one since it is possible to take a picture of Ardyn with you, to show to Luna at the wedding if you feel like being an ass. The picture you choose still existing also suggests that at least Noctis still remembers the original timeline and kept his character development.
In the Prompto dlc, it is said that Prompto was actually a clone of Verstael (or however you spell his name) much like the other children which were later demonified and turned into niflheim soldiers. This is proven in Ardyn’s dlc where you meet a much younger Verstael who appears younger and identical to Prompto. Although the one loophole some people found with this is that none of the other clones seen in the dlc looked like prompto but yet again they never did a close up of their faces so who knows.
I'm not 100% on the others, but Ardyn's story is spot on. Whether designed that way or not by game developers, it makes perfect sense. It also adds loads of dimension to the character whom I felt was sorely under-represented in the main game. If XV had given us more time with Ardyn, Lunafreya, Ravus and Cor, the story would have been just as grand as the world of Eos. Much could have been improved in the story, but I also understand the nature of business and deadlines. Personally, I'd be just as happy to wait another year and have the game be as legendary as VII, but would the rest of the fans be as patient?
one thing that helps the timeline theory, is during a conference (I forgot the name) that the ffxv team was part of, there was a chart showcasing where all the ffxv media was on the xv universe timeline. and there were 3 categories , Storyline, Flashback, and ALTERNATE REALITY. the omen trailer was marked as a full alternate reality and was during the events of the game on the timeline. The game itself was made up of all 3 categories, and the alternate reality was at the 10 year timeskip mark right along side the storyline.
Hey FFUnion, I'm surprised you didn''t include the theory that FF15 takes place in the past of the same world of FF8. AKA FF8 the Distant Sequel to FF15. It's also a very interesting theory that I'm very interested in, but not much info is out about it yet so I'm guessing its a relatively new theory, but I thought for certain you were going to mention it since you had all the references to FF8 in the beginning of this video. Basically some supporting ideas revolves around the Ring of Solomon in FF8 resembles the ring of Lucil in FF15, and even says it was owned by a royal family in FF8. Also the similar mechanics of drawing magic from Draw Points, similarities between the way the world map looks (sort of), time traveling, similar technology in both worlds, similar designs between the Seed uniforms of FF8 and the Royal Raiment in FF15, something about Lunar Cry in FF8 being related to something called Star Scourge which I'm guessing is in FF15, and even the big city of Esther in FF8 being the future version of the rebuilt Insomnia. I think many of the towns look similar in both games as well. Could be? Maybe not? Interesting nonetheless. Maybe you should do a video about this theory too.
Aesthetic choices, this bad theory is essentially "a ring owned by a royal family....15 has a royal family with a ring!" And "technology is kinda the same", aesthetics and basic themes/concepts can explain this whole spurg of bs away, the theory ISN'T interesting you just have low standards. Next you'll tell me about the theory of game of thrones being a prequel to FF8 because they both have dragons in it and there's people with swords... and ...and there's magic and a story... and its super real and its just a fan theory.
I think I know the real cause for Ardyn's fall from grace; Somnus secretly wanted the power of the True King for himself, and set all those horrific events in motion for that reason. I think Somnus wants to overthrow the Astrals because he's disillusioned with them as a whole, despite the fact that Ifrit was the traitor, or so we're led to believe right now. Under that assumption, I believe Somnus will be the final boss for the last piece of DLC, before we get the happy ending I think is coming next year.
That last theory suggesting Ardyn as the main protagonist (which is quite plausible) reminds me a little bit of the first Infamous game, where the protagonist (Cole), being a super powerful being in the future, goes back in time as a villain, to push himself into being a worthy hero, in order to save mankind. Quite an interesting theory here. In this setting, Ardyn could be well aware that the biggest threat to the world is in fact the Star Scourge. Being powerful and immortal, he could have a lot of time and resources to manipulate the events, including pushing Noctis into the right direction of becoming the one true king, for the sake of the whole world.
The issue with the Pitioss Ruins theory (where the statues represent Ifrit's fall and his love for the goddess Eos) is that there is no goddess called Eos in FFXV. There was a goddess named Etro, but she was removed when Versus XIII was rebranded as FFXV. The planet is named Eos but the lore revealed in the game and officially published outside of it states it was created by higher beings (none of which are named) who have long since moved on, leaving only the six Astrals to watch over Eos. Eos is a goddess from real world mythology, but so is Gaia and the planet from FFVII is most definitely not also a goddess. And the woman in the logo is the Oracle. This is shown in the painting that depicts the prophesied arrival of the King of Light and is confirmed with the way the final scene in the game becomes the logo. For a heavily researched theory that has been widely accepted as canon (even though it isn't) by a fandom so scarred by Pitioss that an explanation for its existence has become necessity, I'm surprised that such a key thing was completely overlooked.
Idk about the Ravus theory thing, Luna also had a visual change iswell so I highly doubt that this theory is accurate. Unless someone tries to convince me otherwise 💁🏽
Those character models in Kingsglaive did look DAMN good though lol. Go look at a still frame of Ardyn in Kingsglaive... you could probably fool someone into believing that shit was an actual photograph.
I remember playing Assassins creed Origins and Bayek does a mission where he basically accidentally releases Ardyn from a prison of sorts. Is Bayek inadvertently responsible for all events o f FF 15.
The Japanese Sqex YT channel still has the old VSXIII trailers. It makes me believe that there's much truth to the Omen-trailer & the whole alternative time-line thing. Notice how Noctis in the Omen-trailer looks much more similar to the old Versus-XIII 2011 Noctis version? Also, there is a rumour that Luna won't exist in the alternative ("Versus XV") story. Noctis kills her in the Omen-trailer. Last but not least, that cryptic dialogue at the end of the trailer with the king is very interesting and leaves A LOT of room for speculations. Idk about you guys, but I simply love reading all those theories and rumours. It makes a game much more engaging imo.
Adding onto the Alternate Timeline theory. What people suggest is that King Regis is using a stitch in time(similar to how Ardyn bent time in the train scene) in order to do a do over and have the best possible ending where everyone lives. What furthers points to this is Square Enix's confirmation that the Omen Trailer is an Alternate Reality from the main game, which people are also theorizing that because of the Omen Trailer, King Regis sent Ignis, Prompto, and Gladiolus with him. Also, there's way more compelling theories than what was shown in this. If you want to find out about more theories, I'll link you to some theory vids here: th-cam.com/video/WPXQPuSTqjQ/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/HGwoRpqJlCs/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/Py7Ai5EVBtc/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/ASKWg7EXomM/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/EeA6kj6S6FU/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/lrOqzvKFzC0/w-d-xo.html Credit to Perona77 and Final Fantasy Peasant.
The alternate time line one suggesting Norris erased ardyn from history once already is false. This can be proven by ardyns words. He specifically states the jealous king makes him a monster and his deeds of cleansing darkness are lost, thus he was erased from history.
Squenix just needs to make a freaking director's cut version of Final Fantasy 15 at some point. There are so many cool things found within both the lore and the characters themselves and it's a shame that it was never fully realized or elaborated on properly. Though, since they've already ran with the base game and back at this point, I don't really think they see the point in doing so. It's clear that the original producers of this game wanted to tell their story in a specific way, but development just kept getting in the way. The tone they seemed to go for in development was much darker and involved. And while the theme of brotherly love and companionship isn't bad in and of itself, I feel those themes can only shine through when the characters actively learn more about each other and their disturbing character flaws. That and it fits with the whole "Gothic" theme the game gives off to me, personally.
Woah. I didn't know about the Loqi-Prompto one. That's clearly what it is! Mindblow!Maybe we can see more about it in the Episode Prompto.The Pitioss one and Ardyn are "clearly" true. But i call the time loop one, bullshit. He says "again" because is was what the first king of Lucis did (supposedly Izunia). Nobody knows about Ardyn saving the world from the Star Scurge and that's why he hates the royal family.
I like the fact that the crystal rejected Ardyn...BUT the crystal in the game is a "Dark Crystal" meaning it's very evil and manipulated everyone. I think Tabata came out said as such for the Omen trailer
I remember hearing about the dark crystal in a q&a with one of the staff, but I thought that was from the old versus 13 storyline, when insomnia was supposed to be permanently stuck in nighttime as a side effect of the crystal.
Ardyn guides you through the entire game, he even guide Gladio and Ignis to find Noctis (chapter 13 verse 2)... Sometimes that is what psychopaths do, manipulate your path to lead you to his trap... but we can't denied that this theory has a lot of sense, because those acts of "kindness" show us that it really looks like he's fighting his darkness. He wants to put an end to this and the last king is the only one who can.
You're right. When you think about it ardyn was making sure noct followed the prophecy and killed him. He was responsible for killing noct's father and Luna, giving noct a goal for revenge (father) and taking noct's future from him (Luna), but kept the bro's alive, to make sure noct had a reason to sacrifice himself (to give them a future). That on top of guiding noct throughout the whole game definitely proves he wanted to put an end to it all.
this sounds like the theoryt that the timeline splits in two in a way similar to ff1 where chaos altered time, which might mean that ff15 is the newest incarnation of the events of 1 and of ff9 which hints to garland having tried to take over the world before.
I really like the idea that the timeline actually reset itself in the end, and that is why you heard the beginning dialogue in the end. When I first heard that dialogue, I thought they were just trying to make us sad, because it really worked. It made me cry. I would like to think that Noctis and Luna reunited only for a few moments before everything reset because I hated the ending. I hated that Luna and Noct died and I hated that Ignis lost his eyesight.
As soon as I heard the dialogue, I immediately thought, "A new timeline!" Which, can be had with Episode Ignis - which is highly suggested by the game itself to play once the game is over. Of course, my feelings are also influenced by having played Type-0.
Ardyn is a character shrouded in mystery as much as tragedy. He is filled with so much rage and hatred, by the end of the game, that you can truly see there is no good left in him. In my opinion, he's about as insane and evil as Kefka. He even mind-controlled the emperor of Nilfheim, the same as Kefka did to Gestahl.
My theory on the ff 15 ending is that the alternate ending from ep ignis is what happens after the main games ending and that galdio prompts and ingns and noctis all survive and that after noctis destroys the darkness everyone who died to it came back to life but that’s all just a theory a game theory
you missed the GDC screenshot of the Eos timeline depicting the omen trailer and the wedding scene (implied) to he alternate realities. if this is true, it ties in oerfectly to the ending becoming the beginning once again.
Well yeah.. the alternate timeline thing is a bit of a stretch, but at the same time it's the most realistic interpretation when you actually think about it, if noctis did die, he died in the exact same way as arydn, which would mean he couldn't possibly exist to be in the afterlife with Luna. (I think it was episode Ignis that mentioned arydn can't be allowed into the afterlife so has to be completely destroyed, and we saw noct be destroyed in the exact same way as him). More likely is he didn't die. But was summoned/teleported to the new timeline. Noct disappeared in kinda the same visual style as weapons being summoned/dispersed, a power that comes from the crystal, which is linked to the six. Ardyn dies, wiped from existence, new timeline created where he doesn't exist, the six summon/teleport noct to the new timeline (since he was already outside the world when it was reset) Imo the only thing that could be used to disprove the alternate timeline thing is the picture that noct hands to Luna, but, if noct was just summoned from the astral plain rather than dying, he would still have that picture on his person. Besides.. what's more likely for the story, noct dead, humanity killed off to the point it fits in 1 city and roadside garage, years of war with daemons has left the survivors damaged and broken in a destroyed world, or, happy ending, timeline reset without the bad guy, noct married Luna, the bro's fight over who's the best best man, noct rules Lucius, everyone's alive and doing great. (Iris plans to assassinate Luna and take her place, as it should be). Hell even if it is far fetched it's how I'm going to personally continue to think things ended, and I can, because it was left open ended for a reason 😂😆
That part about ffxv being ardyn's story is stupid, of course every thing in the world that is happening is due to ardyn, he is the antagonist he is meant to change the status quo of the world while the protagonist rises up to the challenges set forth by him. It's storytelling 101.
Not just ravus but luna also suffered a major image remodel from kingsglaive to game,my conclusion is kingsglaive is just americanized, hence, the changes
I accept theory 5 with a major twist. I looked at this as mythology. In mythology the gods tend to set everything in motion and know everything. Ardyn was the first chosen with the destiny of absorbing the darkness. In the generation of the 13 Lucian Kings before Noctis he's doing his job as the gods see fit. Upon the Rise of noctis it becomes Ardyn's task to set everything in motion. He's playing his part and being guided by the gods in just the same way as Noctis is doing his part. At any point Ardyn could have killed everyone but he didn't. He wanted to prophesy to be complete and he wanted Noctis to kill him. At the end of the final battle (and in the knights of the round cinematic) he welcomes the eternal sleep and not waking up again. In fact he seems glad to be slain in the cinematic. I think he knew his entire destiny or it was revealed to him LONG before Noctis was even born. Problably guided and told by Gentiana. Still not entirely sure how Ifrit fits into this but it would make sense to have a god of fire (light) oversee and protect the one who's destiny it is to soak up all the darkness. Perhaps Ifrit's corruption and betrayal of the gods caused Ardyn to do more damage than he intended. Ifrit felt like the final boss to me and Ardyn was quite easy as compared.
This is my theory but it follows along the line of a timeline reset that allows both Noct and Ardyn from FFXV to be the true heroes of the game. I am quoting Ardyn and Noct here at the moment when Noct beat him Ardyn: "Now it is over, Majesty. What will you do? Banish the Daemons and bring peace? Erase me from history once more?" Noctis: "This time...you can rest in peace. Close your eyes...forevermore." after those lines I feel that once Noctis took the throne and called the Kings of Lucis I believe the Noctis payed the "Blood Price." that Bahamut mentioned but when he did something Bahamut didn't expect happened. Like I said this is just my belief but when that Noctis gave his life he acknowledged Ardyn's pain at being branded a monster by his brother and a 'Jealous' god the moment that Noctis beat Ardyn in the Beyond the timline for the game at the end shifts and I believe that the timeline that was created at the end of FFXV is one where Ardyn was still part of the Lucin family and had not been denied by his brother but instead emraced and accepted and the 'Starscourge' that created the daemons was almost nonexsistant thanks to the power Ardyn had. Probably gonna catch flack for my theory but what the heck. Post to your hearts content and just give me mention if you decied to make anything outta this thanks and god speed.
people are dumb af. Adryn's ultimate goal is to DIE, taking everything he absorbed with him. Jesus, it wasn't even a theory, it was slap it your face as you play the game.
I think the ending scene with the photo is showing the funeral of noctis, then the photo on the throne is meant to honor noctis (?) then noctis n luna spirit comes out. Am i the only one that thinks this way lol
I do not think we will ever find out the truth, I don't think we are supposed to. As the developer said, each one allows us to come to come with out own ending. I think that is something special and that everyone is correct. For me at the end of Chapter 9, I cried. Yes Im old school and old fashioned and still believe in love and romance. Seeing the cut scenes at the end where Luna passes away, was beautifully made and If they wanted to hit our hearts, then they did rather a good job of it. The ending for me is simple and old school. Noct and Luna are together...
The fact that there are so many fan theories already is NOT a good thing as many make out it to be. It exactly shows that the game couldn't tell it's story in a satisfying way. I'm not saying that about all the theories, but some of them should have definitely been told properly as storylines in game (especially the Ifrit one for example).
i honestly gotta agree i liked ff 15 but honestly speaking it was really lackluster when compared to so many of their previous titles (6-14) and one of the reason i feel that way is cause the story in 15 was just all over the place and in some cases was botched
I agree. When people make tons of theories for a rather short story (I dont talk about big stories like Harry Potter) it is usually because the real story is not satisfying enough. I remember MGS5. But afew of the theories (like Ifrit) is kind of interesting.
..... I am not sure where simpleton like you come from, but storytelling isn't just limited to a linear, and straight forward way, and can be told in a unique, and clever way. The fact that this game tells a lot of stuff without holding your hand is in fact impressive as hell. Pitioss dungeon idea is one of the most clever ways i have seen in this medium. If you want simple stories gift warped then play something else. This game was very clearly designed for people who love minimalistic storytelling method.
I get so triggered every time people bring up the Squall is dead or Rinoa is Ultimicia theories, those things are trash. But some of these theories are interesting. I really hope Square does a better job of fleshing out the story and lore of FFXV through the DLC so that we don't have to rely so much on fan theories to make it interesting.
No, the theroy about Ravus does not make sense in my opinion. Luna also looks VERY different. I can agree, that the different eye colors could be because of the arm but not the other things.
I feel like Noctis IS Ardyn, just might be character design but Noctis' adult form looks too similar to him. And they do share a bloodline technically but eh.
Anyone complaining about Howard lot of fan theories means that story telling was bad should go play any of the souls games. Vague is fun, especially when done in this fashion. It's nice to have the feeling like there is much more to learn past the first play through.
I just don’t get how the original ending of FFXV is supposed to be ambiguous. It doesn’t seem ambiguous to me at all. Luna is dead, Noctis died on the throne, and Ardyn’s body is destroyed in limbo. What’s ambiguous about it? If it’s supposed to be, I really missed something.
Potential can lead to fulfillment. Let's hope they actually look into this to enrich that weak story. The lore is the only factor that keeps my interest afloat.
Of the five only the timeline theory was my least favorite. first of all there's little information or evidence besides ones that is circumstantial at best and I just find it lackluster in general. the Ifirit story and ardyn theory were the most compelling and base on what I know I wouldn't be surprise if I found out that they were real. The rest are interesting and it would be a nice nod if they were true.
my theory is that they just took the bible and told the story of jesus with final fantasy elements and used a narrative that centers only around the messiah viewpoint. i didn't enjoy the plot though i can be a better messianic redemptor in xenogears and have my mind blown by amazing characters and storylines.
its really hard to understand what you are saying. at least for me because english is not my first language. you speak so fast and your accent makes it hard to understand. :/
Hope you all enjoyed the video! Bear in mind, these are just 5 of our favorites! There are PLENTY MORE! Which are your favorite theories? Let us know! :)
i see youve been watching gameranx...
The most compelling theory for me is the alternative timeline. I hope more definite and tangible evidence shows up in the future. I am sure we all want closure to a game we'd been waiting for for years.
Ardyn's Story is the most compelling. Every thing that happens in the game can be traced back to specific manipulation from ardyn
Theories being what they are, they do engage in some creative thinking. I especially like the fact that fans are delving into the mass potential the FFXV universe had. Regardless of how strong or weak these theories are, they're all neat and it's nice to see the passion of the FF community ^_^
Oh and I absolutely ADORE the Pitioss Ruins theory. It's absolutely splendid.
Great video guys! Keep up the good work!
Thanks Sam! Glad you enjoyed it. :) ~Darryl
Regarding those alternate timelines, there's more to it. As Final Fantasy Peasant mentioned in his more in depth video. Theory is that Regis learned how to manipulate with time and created a new timeline. What we see in Omen trailer is previous failed timeline, game is another not ideal timeline and that wedding is from another timeline, but actually succesfull one.
Interesting is that all those lore and story theories fit together. Ifrit's past, Ardyn's origin, Eos and the other ones. Highly recomend checking Final Fantasy Peasant's videos about those theories.
KočičáK Don't forget to mention that SE practically confirmed Omen Trailer was an Alternate Timeline at GCD. ;)
Ah, yes, that picture with pre departure post departure etc. There also was post departure part marked as alternate timeline which most likely is that wedding scene.
Exactly...well put.
I was thinking the exact same thing... There's so much more to the time travel/alternate realities theory than what's described in this video, especially now that we that one screenshot, which phxrebirth mentioned above.
Agreed, it's definitely worth checking out his videos for more detail on some of these theories. There's so much unknown, but they do leave little hints here and there. Definitely should have put in that GDC screenshot >.< ~Darryl
I'm keen on the timeline reset theory. The ending is just kinda bleak otherwise. Either Ardyn was removed from the timeline or time was put back far enough that the Hexatheon could do right by him. And I'd side on the second one since it is possible to take a picture of Ardyn with you, to show to Luna at the wedding if you feel like being an ass. The picture you choose still existing also suggests that at least Noctis still remembers the original timeline and kept his character development.
It was funny when Shiva froze him when he was talking
Interesting how Ardyn and Ifirit theories talk about them as misunderstood heroes who have fallen.
In the Prompto dlc, it is said that Prompto was actually a clone of Verstael (or however you spell his name) much like the other children which were later demonified and turned into niflheim soldiers. This is proven in Ardyn’s dlc where you meet a much younger Verstael who appears younger and identical to Prompto. Although the one loophole some people found with this is that none of the other clones seen in the dlc looked like prompto but yet again they never did a close up of their faces so who knows.
I'm not 100% on the others, but Ardyn's story is spot on. Whether designed that way or not by game developers, it makes perfect sense. It also adds loads of dimension to the character whom I felt was sorely under-represented in the main game. If XV had given us more time with Ardyn, Lunafreya, Ravus and Cor, the story would have been just as grand as the world of Eos. Much could have been improved in the story, but I also understand the nature of business and deadlines. Personally, I'd be just as happy to wait another year and have the game be as legendary as VII, but would the rest of the fans be as patient?
one thing that helps the timeline theory, is during a conference (I forgot the name) that the ffxv team was part of, there was a chart showcasing where all the ffxv media was on the xv universe timeline. and there were 3 categories , Storyline, Flashback, and ALTERNATE REALITY. the omen trailer was marked as a full alternate reality and was during the events of the game on the timeline. The game itself was made up of all 3 categories, and the alternate reality was at the 10 year timeskip mark right along side the storyline.
lola4lala12 yea they pretty much confirmed this theory at GDC 17!
I didn't pick up any of that stuff about Ardyn in the game. His character was so transparent
Hey FFUnion, I'm surprised you didn''t include the theory that FF15 takes place in the past of the same world of FF8. AKA FF8 the Distant Sequel to FF15. It's also a very interesting theory that I'm very interested in, but not much info is out about it yet so I'm guessing its a relatively new theory, but I thought for certain you were going to mention it since you had all the references to FF8 in the beginning of this video.
Basically some supporting ideas revolves around the Ring of Solomon in FF8 resembles the ring of Lucil in FF15, and even says it was owned by a royal family in FF8. Also the similar mechanics of drawing magic from Draw Points, similarities between the way the world map looks (sort of), time traveling, similar technology in both worlds, similar designs between the Seed uniforms of FF8 and the Royal Raiment in FF15, something about Lunar Cry in FF8 being related to something called Star Scourge which I'm guessing is in FF15, and even the big city of Esther in FF8 being the future version of the rebuilt Insomnia. I think many of the towns look similar in both games as well. Could be? Maybe not? Interesting nonetheless. Maybe you should do a video about this theory too.
Aesthetic choices, this bad theory is essentially "a ring owned by a royal family....15 has a royal family with a ring!" And "technology is kinda the same", aesthetics and basic themes/concepts can explain this whole spurg of bs away, the theory ISN'T interesting you just have low standards.
Next you'll tell me about the theory of game of thrones being a prequel to FF8 because they both have dragons in it and there's people with swords... and ...and there's magic and a story... and its super real and its just a fan theory.
I think I know the real cause for Ardyn's fall from grace; Somnus secretly wanted the power of the True King for himself, and set all those horrific events in motion for that reason. I think Somnus wants to overthrow the Astrals because he's disillusioned with them as a whole, despite the fact that Ifrit was the traitor, or so we're led to believe right now. Under that assumption, I believe Somnus will be the final boss for the last piece of DLC, before we get the happy ending I think is coming next year.
You were partly right. And Somnus was the final boss of Episode Ardyn.
That last theory suggesting Ardyn as the main protagonist (which is quite plausible) reminds me a little bit of the first Infamous game, where the protagonist (Cole), being a super powerful being in the future, goes back in time as a villain, to push himself into being a worthy hero, in order to save mankind. Quite an interesting theory here.
In this setting, Ardyn could be well aware that the biggest threat to the world is in fact the Star Scourge. Being powerful and immortal, he could have a lot of time and resources to manipulate the events, including pushing Noctis into the right direction of becoming the one true king, for the sake of the whole world.
The issue with the Pitioss Ruins theory (where the statues represent Ifrit's fall and his love for the goddess Eos) is that there is no goddess called Eos in FFXV. There was a goddess named Etro, but she was removed when Versus XIII was rebranded as FFXV. The planet is named Eos but the lore revealed in the game and officially published outside of it states it was created by higher beings (none of which are named) who have long since moved on, leaving only the six Astrals to watch over Eos. Eos is a goddess from real world mythology, but so is Gaia and the planet from FFVII is most definitely not also a goddess. And the woman in the logo is the Oracle. This is shown in the painting that depicts the prophesied arrival of the King of Light and is confirmed with the way the final scene in the game becomes the logo.
For a heavily researched theory that has been widely accepted as canon (even though it isn't) by a fandom so scarred by Pitioss that an explanation for its existence has become necessity, I'm surprised that such a key thing was completely overlooked.
Idk about the Ravus theory thing, Luna also had a visual change iswell so I highly doubt that this theory is accurate. Unless someone tries to convince me otherwise 💁🏽
Thank you! Those were my exact thoughts!
Those character models in Kingsglaive did look DAMN good though lol. Go look at a still frame of Ardyn in Kingsglaive... you could probably fool someone into believing that shit was an actual photograph.
I remember playing Assassins creed Origins and Bayek does a mission where he basically accidentally releases Ardyn from a prison of sorts. Is Bayek inadvertently responsible for all events o f FF 15.
The Japanese Sqex YT channel still has the old VSXIII trailers. It makes me believe that there's much truth to the Omen-trailer & the whole alternative time-line thing. Notice how Noctis in the Omen-trailer looks much more similar to the old Versus-XIII 2011 Noctis version? Also, there is a rumour that Luna won't exist in the alternative ("Versus XV") story. Noctis kills her in the Omen-trailer. Last but not least, that cryptic dialogue at the end of the trailer with the king is very interesting and leaves A LOT of room for speculations. Idk about you guys, but I simply love reading all those theories and rumours. It makes a game much more engaging imo.
Adding onto the Alternate Timeline theory. What people suggest is that King Regis is using a stitch in time(similar to how Ardyn bent time in the train scene) in order to do a do over and have the best possible ending where everyone lives. What furthers points to this is Square Enix's confirmation that the Omen Trailer is an Alternate Reality from the main game, which people are also theorizing that because of the Omen Trailer, King Regis sent Ignis, Prompto, and Gladiolus with him.
Also, there's way more compelling theories than what was shown in this. If you want to find out about more theories, I'll link you to some theory vids here:
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The alternate time line one suggesting Norris erased ardyn from history once already is false. This can be proven by ardyns words. He specifically states the jealous king makes him a monster and his deeds of cleansing darkness are lost, thus he was erased from history.
Noctis's Alternate Timeline seems kinda true, reading the Dawn of the Future seems the theory is true
Squenix just needs to make a freaking director's cut version of Final Fantasy 15 at some point. There are so many cool things found within both the lore and the characters themselves and it's a shame that it was never fully realized or elaborated on properly. Though, since they've already ran with the base game and back at this point, I don't really think they see the point in doing so. It's clear that the original producers of this game wanted to tell their story in a specific way, but development just kept getting in the way.
The tone they seemed to go for in development was much darker and involved. And while the theme of brotherly love and companionship isn't bad in and of itself, I feel those themes can only shine through when the characters actively learn more about each other and their disturbing character flaws. That and it fits with the whole "Gothic" theme the game gives off to me, personally.
For me the most compelling theory is the one about Ardyn. What a facinating villain
Woah. I didn't know about the Loqi-Prompto one. That's clearly what it is! Mindblow!Maybe we can see more about it in the Episode Prompto.The Pitioss one and Ardyn are "clearly" true. But i call the time loop one, bullshit. He says "again" because is was what the first king of Lucis did (supposedly Izunia). Nobody knows about Ardyn saving the world from the Star Scurge and that's why he hates the royal family.
The whole idea of Ardyn 'Breaking Bad' is very interesting; definitely adds a new layer to his already compelling character.
I can’t quiet remember what the points made but I found one that Stella - obviously an Easter egg, - was Noctis and Luna’s unborn child.
FFXV Episode: Ardyn. How cool whould it be?
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Well... funny you should say that....
I like the fact that the crystal rejected Ardyn...BUT the crystal in the game is a "Dark Crystal" meaning it's very evil and manipulated everyone. I think Tabata came out said as such for the Omen trailer
I remember hearing about the dark crystal in a q&a with one of the staff, but I thought that was from the old versus 13 storyline, when insomnia was supposed to be permanently stuck in nighttime as a side effect of the crystal.
Ardyn guides you through the entire game, he even guide Gladio and Ignis to find Noctis (chapter 13 verse 2)... Sometimes that is what psychopaths do, manipulate your path to lead you to his trap... but we can't denied that this theory has a lot of sense, because those acts of "kindness" show us that it really looks like he's fighting his darkness. He wants to put an end to this and the last king is the only one who can.
You're right. When you think about it ardyn was making sure noct followed the prophecy and killed him. He was responsible for killing noct's father and Luna, giving noct a goal for revenge (father) and taking noct's future from him (Luna), but kept the bro's alive, to make sure noct had a reason to sacrifice himself (to give them a future). That on top of guiding noct throughout the whole game definitely proves he wanted to put an end to it all.
this sounds like the theoryt that the timeline splits in two in a way similar to ff1 where chaos altered time, which might mean that ff15 is the newest incarnation of the events of 1 and of ff9 which hints to garland having tried to take over the world before.
the Arden theory and one beofre that and oromoto mom being the snake lady are the only ones that I like and kinda make sense especially the Arden one
I really like the idea that the timeline actually reset itself in the end, and that is why you heard the beginning dialogue in the end. When I first heard that dialogue, I thought they were just trying to make us sad, because it really worked. It made me cry. I would like to think that Noctis and Luna reunited only for a few moments before everything reset because I hated the ending. I hated that Luna and Noct died and I hated that Ignis lost his eyesight.
Agree! Also, Gladio says "hope it's not some omen".
As soon as I heard the dialogue, I immediately thought, "A new timeline!" Which, can be had with Episode Ignis - which is highly suggested by the game itself to play once the game is over.
Of course, my feelings are also influenced by having played Type-0.
Ardyn is a character shrouded in mystery as much as tragedy. He is filled with so much rage and hatred, by the end of the game, that you can truly see there is no good left in him. In my opinion, he's about as insane and evil as Kefka. He even mind-controlled the emperor of Nilfheim, the same as Kefka did to Gestahl.
My theory on the ff 15 ending is that the alternate ending from ep ignis is what happens after the main games ending and that galdio prompts and ingns and noctis all survive and that after noctis destroys the darkness everyone who died to it came back to life but that’s all just a theory a game theory
you missed the GDC screenshot of the Eos timeline depicting the omen trailer and the wedding scene (implied) to he alternate realities. if this is true, it ties in oerfectly to the ending becoming the beginning once again.
Well yeah.. the alternate timeline thing is a bit of a stretch, but at the same time it's the most realistic interpretation when you actually think about it, if noctis did die, he died in the exact same way as arydn, which would mean he couldn't possibly exist to be in the afterlife with Luna. (I think it was episode Ignis that mentioned arydn can't be allowed into the afterlife so has to be completely destroyed, and we saw noct be destroyed in the exact same way as him). More likely is he didn't die. But was summoned/teleported to the new timeline. Noct disappeared in kinda the same visual style as weapons being summoned/dispersed, a power that comes from the crystal, which is linked to the six. Ardyn dies, wiped from existence, new timeline created where he doesn't exist, the six summon/teleport noct to the new timeline (since he was already outside the world when it was reset)
Imo the only thing that could be used to disprove the alternate timeline thing is the picture that noct hands to Luna, but, if noct was just summoned from the astral plain rather than dying, he would still have that picture on his person.
Besides.. what's more likely for the story, noct dead, humanity killed off to the point it fits in 1 city and roadside garage, years of war with daemons has left the survivors damaged and broken in a destroyed world, or, happy ending, timeline reset without the bad guy, noct married Luna, the bro's fight over who's the best best man, noct rules Lucius, everyone's alive and doing great. (Iris plans to assassinate Luna and take her place, as it should be). Hell even if it is far fetched it's how I'm going to personally continue to think things ended, and I can, because it was left open ended for a reason 😂😆
That part about ffxv being ardyn's story is stupid, of course every thing in the world that is happening is due to ardyn, he is the antagonist he is meant to change the status quo of the world while the protagonist rises up to the challenges set forth by him. It's storytelling 101.
Not just ravus but luna also suffered a major image remodel from kingsglaive to game,my conclusion is kingsglaive is just americanized, hence, the changes
I accept theory 5 with a major twist. I looked at this as mythology. In mythology the gods tend to set everything in motion and know everything. Ardyn was the first chosen with the destiny of absorbing the darkness. In the generation of the 13 Lucian Kings before Noctis he's doing his job as the gods see fit. Upon the Rise of noctis it becomes Ardyn's task to set everything in motion. He's playing his part and being guided by the gods in just the same way as Noctis is doing his part.
At any point Ardyn could have killed everyone but he didn't. He wanted to prophesy to be complete and he wanted Noctis to kill him. At the end of the final battle (and in the knights of the round cinematic) he welcomes the eternal sleep and not waking up again. In fact he seems glad to be slain in the cinematic. I think he knew his entire destiny or it was revealed to him LONG before Noctis was even born. Problably guided and told by Gentiana. Still not entirely sure how Ifrit fits into this but it would make sense to have a god of fire (light) oversee and protect the one who's destiny it is to soak up all the darkness. Perhaps Ifrit's corruption and betrayal of the gods caused Ardyn to do more damage than he intended. Ifrit felt like the final boss to me and Ardyn was quite easy as compared.
This is my theory but it follows along the line of a timeline reset that allows both Noct and Ardyn from FFXV to be the true heroes of the game. I am quoting Ardyn and Noct here at the moment when Noct beat him Ardyn: "Now it is over, Majesty. What will you do? Banish the Daemons and bring peace? Erase me from history once more?" Noctis: "This time...you can rest in peace. Close your eyes...forevermore." after those lines I feel that once Noctis took the throne and called the Kings of Lucis I believe the Noctis payed the "Blood Price." that Bahamut mentioned but when he did something Bahamut didn't expect happened. Like I said this is just my belief but when that Noctis gave his life he acknowledged Ardyn's pain at being branded a monster by his brother and a 'Jealous' god the moment that Noctis beat Ardyn in the Beyond the timline for the game at the end shifts and I believe that the timeline that was created at the end of FFXV is one where Ardyn was still part of the Lucin family and had not been denied by his brother but instead emraced and accepted and the 'Starscourge' that created the daemons was almost nonexsistant thanks to the power Ardyn had. Probably gonna catch flack for my theory but what the heck. Post to your hearts content and just give me mention if you decied to make anything outta this thanks and god speed.
7:15 sounds like he story of lightning returns where you save people and than became the god of chaos or death.
people are dumb af. Adryn's ultimate goal is to DIE, taking everything he absorbed with him. Jesus, it wasn't even a theory, it was slap it your face as you play the game.
No its not just THAT, he also wanted revenge on the gods and his brothers family line for fucking him over.
Exactly right that's why he was in the astral relm after noctis beat him in the final batte. That's then why noctis had to die in order to kill him
@@Mr.DABZ007 yeah. A bit petty bitter on his end. But still Ardyn is the actual hero.
Thanks! Some really interesting stuff here.
I hope they add multiple endings in future updates, I want more Luna, ravous, ardyn, aranea, Cindy, iris, :(
Sorry man
Ardyn manipulates his own defeat at the hands of his clan's successor, Noctis. Sounds like a couple of brothers we know.....
5:23 on the right,I feel like I'm gazing at Sephiroth's eyes....
so in the Alternate Timeline, Pryna still dies? The ending cinematic only shows Umbra.
The iris being purple is meant to be a reflection off the robot arm
I think the ending scene with the photo is showing the funeral of noctis, then the photo on the throne is meant to honor noctis (?) then noctis n luna spirit comes out. Am i the only one that thinks this way lol
I like the Pitioss and Ardyn ones. They are actually in my headcanon with Bahamut as one at fault.
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that last one is now an actual cannon
The Ardyn theory could be disproved come the release of episode Ardyn which is confirmed for 2018
I do not think we will ever find out the truth, I don't think we are supposed to. As the developer said, each one allows us to come to come with out own ending. I think that is something special and that everyone is correct. For me at the end of Chapter 9, I cried. Yes Im old school and old fashioned and still believe in love and romance. Seeing the cut scenes at the end where Luna passes away, was beautifully made and If they wanted to hit our hearts, then they did rather a good job of it. The ending for me is simple and old school. Noct and Luna are together...
The fact that there are so many fan theories already is NOT a good thing as many make out it to be. It exactly shows that the game couldn't tell it's story in a satisfying way. I'm not saying that about all the theories, but some of them should have definitely been told properly as storylines in game (especially the Ifrit one for example).
i honestly gotta agree i liked ff 15 but honestly speaking it was really lackluster when compared to so many of their previous titles (6-14) and one of the reason i feel that way is cause the story in 15 was just all over the place and in some cases was botched
I agree. When people make tons of theories for a rather short story (I dont talk about big stories like Harry Potter) it is usually because the real story is not satisfying enough. I remember MGS5. But afew of the theories (like Ifrit) is kind of interesting.
..... I am not sure where simpleton like you come from, but storytelling isn't just limited to a linear, and straight forward way, and can be told in a unique, and clever way.
The fact that this game tells a lot of stuff without holding your hand is in fact impressive as hell. Pitioss dungeon idea is one of the most clever ways i have seen in this medium.
If you want simple stories gift warped then play something else. This game was very clearly designed for people who love minimalistic storytelling method.
eVodas I wish that they actually were able to finish the game. After chapter 9 the game just felt rushed.
Honestly i love the last two theories
We need Ardyn's backstory DLC
It's happening March 2019, the only DLC not cancelled after Tabata's resignation...
at least their still doing the dlc I'd buy. ardyn is my favorite.
I figured the ending was open to interpretation
I get so triggered every time people bring up the Squall is dead or Rinoa is Ultimicia theories, those things are trash. But some of these theories are interesting. I really hope Square does a better job of fleshing out the story and lore of FFXV through the DLC so that we don't have to rely so much on fan theories to make it interesting.
No, the theroy about Ravus does not make sense in my opinion. Luna also looks VERY different. I can agree, that the different eye colors could be because of the arm but not the other things.
I feel like Noctis IS Ardyn, just might be character design but Noctis' adult form looks too similar to him. And they do share a bloodline technically but eh.
ardyn dlc is up and coming according to tabata
Anyone complaining about Howard lot of fan theories means that story telling was bad should go play any of the souls games. Vague is fun, especially when done in this fashion. It's nice to have the feeling like there is much more to learn past the first play through.
Final Fantasy XV trying to pull a twilight zone on us huh? I guess we'll never know the truth.....
I just don’t get how the original ending of FFXV is supposed to be ambiguous. It doesn’t seem ambiguous to me at all. Luna is dead, Noctis died on the throne, and Ardyn’s body is destroyed in limbo. What’s ambiguous about it? If it’s supposed to be, I really missed something.
They are all pretty compelling just too bad none were in the actual game
Just got this game for 30 bucks lets see how it plays!
Potential can lead to fulfillment. Let's hope they actually look into this to enrich that weak story. The lore is the only factor that keeps my interest afloat.
Prompto... :(
Of the five only the timeline theory was my least favorite. first of all there's little information or evidence besides ones that is circumstantial at best and I just find it lackluster in general.
the Ifirit story and ardyn theory were the most compelling and base on what I know I wouldn't be surprise if I found out that they were real.
The rest are interesting and it would be a nice nod if they were true.
I do love me some theory!
Oh god I need spanish subtitles...
Who tf is gladiodious?
Noctis is Jesus.
my theory is that they just took the bible and told the story of jesus with final fantasy elements and used a narrative that centers only around the messiah viewpoint. i didn't enjoy the plot though i can be a better messianic redemptor in xenogears and have my mind blown by amazing characters and storylines.
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If you look at the first comment in the ff 8 theories it answers by “Phoenix Down”
its really hard to understand what you are saying. at least for me because english is not my first language. you speak so fast and your accent makes it hard to understand. :/