And this is why Carmilla is my favorite overlord. She didn't kill for power, she killed because she wanted to keep her daughters safe. She's smart enough to know that a war with Heaven could mean the end of Hell, but her daughters come first. She's such a fascinating character, I hope we see more of her!
@@Paalleujo We aren't sure she's a sinner demon though, as we see hellborn demons around as well. She could have had her children within Hell or she could have reunited with them, but we don't know.
@@bizznick444joe7 I think Angels can pull their wings in completely. Though I agree that they must have been back even before Ep 7 and she just didn't use them cause it'd be too dangerous.
I love these two Overlords. Carmilla is just a mother who did what she needed to do to keep her daughters safe. How can you not love a protective Mother?
You can see her expresion in the pilot she had enough of the exterminators for centuries. Shes just like Charlie she cares about Hell and everyone, but she broke the rules.
I find it extremely interesting that of all the overlord, the 2 considered ancient are the most human. They are cautious, know when not to yield to their desires, they trust and support each other, their link going beyond the simple mutual interest that seems to link the 3Vs. That Carmilla chooses to hide a feat as impressive as the elimination of an exterminator (the natural enemy of sinners, enough to become a "hero" in hell and be feared and respected at least as much as Zestial) for fear of losing loved ones in a far from won war is very impressive.
@@clementinbonnet9773me too, I think it might just be because they have been in hell longer than any of the other overlords. The Vees were only in hell for a few decades and even alastor hasn't been here for a full century. So since Carmilla and Zestial are older they had over a hundered years(maybe even more) to think about their actions and what kind of people they are and why they are in hell. I don't think they're seeking redemption but I do think they figured what were their sins and since they were already doomed they decided to just make the most of their afterlife as overlords
I think she meant to protect not only her daughters but Zestial too. The look she gave him and him being taken aback seems to imply that she doesn't want Zestial to get hurt, just like she defended him when Velvette insulted him.
@@gingin3438I think it's because of his confidence in his own strength: He's typically a very well respected and powerful overlord, and yet Carmilla is still implying that an exorcist would be a genuine threat even to him despite his power
@@xryeau_1760 Zestial himself said they shouldn't act without intelligence He is not week but can obviously get hurt Velvet is trying to bite way more than she can chew
Did anyone else notice how she kinda looks at zestial when she sings the line "I'll keep you safe" after hugging her daughters? Kind of makes me think that she's not just protecting them. But it's also kind of protecting her friends as well, including zestial. just a theory, idk
SHe's trying to say "Zestial please keep this secret for me." In a way that explains why it needs to be kept secret, regardless of who would harm them.
I got that too. And it also seems a reasonable chance (if her daughters aren't twins) that Zestial might be one of their fathers after one night that they agreed went too far and never spoke about again but he is more or less how both kids think of as a favorite uncle if not dad. But also that this might be the weakest point in like Alistor's plans because the girls might be the only othet true born Hell children that Charlie might have if Heaven moves up its extermination like she fears as they seem to avoid the true born and also that Camilla might have acted when she didn't need to).
@@katesullivan4707 unfortunately for that theory, it is canon (as per hazbin wiki) that sinners can't reproduce... either they were her bio daughters in life and reunited in death, or she adopted them in a sense while in hell... I actually have a theory that Vaggie might be her third daughter that lived longer in life (as in she was very little when carmilla and the other girls perished) before ending up in hell...
@@alexaltenberger7324 It hasn't been confirmed whether Carmilla is a sinner so those are her actual Daughters as far as we know. The only Overlords that we know that are Sinner Demons as of right now are Alastor, Vox, and Valentino, it's not confirmed whether Velvette is a sinner demon as on the wiki she is just listed as a Demon, but idk if it means she's a hellborn or that we don't have enough info about her.
I love that Carmilla is not only protective of her daughters but also of Zestial as well. It really goes to show that they really trust each other and have a long history if he is considered part of her family. Zestial was even surprised to hear her say that when she looked at him and I genuinely think it's just sweet how big of a heart Carmilla has despite being an overlord who develops weapons. She even didn’t want to start a war with heaven because she knew the consequences would be many sinners throwing their lives away for a losing battle thanks to misplaced confidence.
Yeah, shes definitely one to keep her guard up and act tough until she's around people she trusts. Then those walls come down showing how vulnerable she can really be. Like when Zestial asked her to tell, she did. When Vaggie came to her, she opened the door quickly and theatened to silence her forever if she didnt convince her other wise. And we all know she could have. She has the means and the motivation to keep the secret safe. But once Vaggie earned her trust and that she genuinely wanted to learn to protect the hotel,l and those in it, you could see the change in how Carmila interacted with Vaggie, she lets her guard down just before vaggie jumps over and gets new wings, you can see the shock in Carmilas face. Its a very interesting way to write a character.
You know at first I kept finding it weird how a lot of overlords seemed to be rather chill and almost nice individuals from some of the interactions we've seen, but I think I get it. Most of them have been in hell for so long that they've probably just mellowed out over time, Zestial having been around the longest no doubt explains his polite behavior, he's seen it all and simply chilled out because of it.
It also makes sense, you're there for eternity. Might as well make it a bit more comfortable. Overlords being chill towards eachother means they don't have to be as paranoid. And a trigger-happy maniac won't get nearly as far as someone who can work with others towards mutual benefit.
The ones we see at that meeting are also all the most powerful ones. They are all the kingpins of their own territories, yeah? And they all have a lot more to lose by infighting and more to gain by consolidating power and uniting against upstarts and new sinners who threaten their power. They're chill because they're the peak of the power dynamic. That's why the Vees are not nearly as chill. They're still fighting for a place at that big table. They may be the "new money", but this meeting was the "old money". I would imagine they act much differently around others that are not at their level.
It's easy to be chill when you are at the top of the mountain. Don't get it twisted. The horrid things you see Valentino do to Angel dust, ALL OF THEM are or have done the same things to others. It's why they are Top Dogs.
@@Watcher8559 Well to be fair we don't know they're all THAT level of fucked up evil cocksucker. Val's shit relates to his job within the Vees. Would he be a fuckin rapey creep without them? Yeah but likely with less influence. They all essentially trap and control souls, yes, but what they do with them varies. Alastor uses his for a lot of menial labor lol. For all we know, Camilla may have the soul count she does because she defends and protects those under her influence rather than abuses them. Zestial may allow his to live normal afterlives, like a farmer tending a herd, until it's dinnertime. (He eats souls, I heard.) Yeah they're all powerful Sinners, but that doesn't make them all scum of the earth moths lol.
@@lusyfoxYep, I was like "No way! Omg! No way, it's actually true!" It surprised me, but then hearing her talk and singing you could definitely hear the similarities... It was wild, she's an amazing actress/voice actress!
I wonder if the reason Carmilla could kill the excorsist was because despite now being a demon she did it for a ‘holy’ reason- protecting her family, rather then just for herself or out spite/negativity
I’ve seen a few people say this now and I think it’s an interesting idea, I hope we get more info on exactly how she killed it. I’ve also heard people say that it might have been one of the Angelic Weapons introduced in Helluva Boss, which were named dropped as being produced by Carmela.
During the past exterminations, demons collected many angelic weapons, and Carmilla markets items obtained with them (see the "Carmine-Crafted Blessing-Tipped Rifles" seen in Helluva Boss, the only ones in Hell able to kill sinners and high ranking demons). It's possible they are able to kill angels as well. That's why Velvet immediately pointed to her.
Nah, you don't need special weapon or power to kill angel. Sinner and overlord just normaly didn't fight back. Overlords want to avoid war and normal sinners were too weak to win against a angel.
@@HoaTruong-km9rkI doubt that. Look goetia like stolas are more powerful than overlords and yet we saw with some tools how he was easily defeated by striker and IMP who has no powers, just fighting skills.
There’s so much to unpack in this song, the fact that Zestiel bows to her as a mark of respect, her holding her daughters as she belts out her lines, the way she looks as Zestiel as she does so to show that even if there was a chance her daughters would get hurt she would never take the chance. What a scene!
The fact that Zestial is compassionate about Carmilla and her problems makes Zestial my favorite Overlord 😊😊 Edit: NO WAY!! I didn't realize that I have so many likes in this comment, thank you guys💗💗
I feel like Zestial is compassionate because he's been through the pain and problems that most of the overlords that came after him are currently facing, if looking at all the screen time he's been in. He's been nothing but nice or respectful to all the other overlords, even not stooping to Velvette's level when she practically insulted him directly in his face! it actually wouldn't be entirely too surprising if Zestial was actually the very first overlord to exist in hell. Thus knowing entirely what the consequences could be if everyone were to just suddenly rise against the angels in an abrupt manner without knowing exactly what can or can't harm the angels first. Really just gives off fatherly/elderly/mentor vibes.
@@Free_Flowing_Anxietyrather this second option, the first overlord would be more likely a Cain - son of Adam and first murderer or Eve as first sinner
@@afrina_29Stephanie aka Vaggie VA lowers her voice when speaking as Vaggie because it suits Vaggie better. Her normal voice actually sounds higher pitched like her singing voice.
@8eyes It's a weird sort of hypocrisy on Carmilla's part. She's a weapons dealer who has actively profited from the angelic weapons left after each extermination. Her weapons fuel the endless turf wars and killing of powerful overlords and demons. This seems kind of a weird line to draw, except she'd hardly be the first human to have a change of heart when confronted with the possibility of direct consequences of their previous actions.
Did anybody else got a little emotional while listening to Camilla's singing to protect her daughters? I did a little bit, cuz it reminded me of my mother, who died back in June 2022 from stage 4 lung cancer. I miss her everyday. 😭😢❤ A mother would do anything to keep her children safe. 💗👩👧👧
Judging by Carmilla's reaction to Zestial's hand on her shoulder, I'm guessing that such an act is unheard of from him. For him to make such a gentle, concerned physical contact with her speaks volumes of how much he values her friendship as a person.
Well zestial is one of the oldest overlords in hell to date and the oldest current ruling overlord to date there were probably other overlords just as old as zestial but we’re quickly dispensed with by alastor. So he’s had a pretty long time to think things over and have valuable advice and wisdom. That and Carmilla’s the only one zestial can really trust and count on as a friend and ally and vice versa with Carmilla. But I bet zestial doesn’t show this soft side of his to often.
@@IlcotheOtter Stephanie Beatriz feels a bit out of her league though, and that's not a dig against her. There is some MAD singing talent on that show that would put almost anybody to shame.
This song hits very deep. She did what she did to protect her children, but also expresses fear if she told the truth. In real life, the truth goes both ways: for best or for worse. In this case, she fears the truth will be for the worse for everyone in Hell and lying doesnt help it either given what happened with a shorter time til the next Extermination Day. She only have very few people who really cares about her: her children and Zestial, and a potential war if the truth came out would be too much for her to the point that she'll lose everyone she cares the most.
I also have a sneaking suspicion that some of that fear may be because she honestly doesn't know *how* she killed it. The leading theory seems to be that the only reason she was able to was because she was doing so to protect her daughters, out of love and selfless sense of protection. Many in Hell would not be able to harness that same power, even if she was able to articulate how she killed the Angel.
Heaven has forgotten that the sinners may have screwed up in life, but some of them happen to be parents, husbands, wives, and altogether, families who love each other no matter where they end up.
Imagine how many people suffered because they were separated with their loved ones after death. Just imagine how many winners in heaven never had a chance to see their relatives in hell
"I might lose the ones that I was killing for" What a powerful line! They really went all out with the songs, I actually did not expect them to turn out this good!
I can't stop remembering my mother every time I see Carmilla, a mother who tries her best beyond the limit to protect those she loves! Vivie earned my respect for having created great characters that we can identify with!
Carmilla and Vaggie's voices are absolutely beautiful during this song, and what I like most is that even though they're in different situations, the two of them are basically singing to the people they care about, saying that they'll protect them no matter what.
I disagree, i think vaggies voice goes to such a different place than any other time she speaks/sings that its impossible to recognize if you dont already know its her. Other than that its an absolute bop but that one thing ruins it for me personally
All of the songs are great but i honestly think this one would work a lot better if it wasn't a duet. As much as i love the parallel between Carmilla and Vaggie, their voices are just so different and kinda don't mesh well. Plus, they already have another duet song in another episode anyway. I think if it was just Carmilla or just Vaggie singing it would've been much better
@fuyukiryujin3723 fair but if I had to pick which would be the duet, it'd be this one, I actually quite like how their voices are different in this, but I get ya
The friendship between Carmilla and Zestial is amazing. The oldest and imo most powerful overlord being a godparent like figure to her daughters is a wholesome thought.
I don’t know if he’s the most powerful (Alastor could probably give him some competition there), but he is certainly no pushover and there aren’t too many demons in Hell that can match him in raw power - I’d say that he ranks on the top twenty list for certain.
@@wilberwhateley7569If we rewatch the pilot episode and go to the bit where the picture of multiple overloads is shown, Zestial appears there. He appears above Vox so out of all the overlords we know/seen Zestial is one of the most powerful, still being below Lucifer, Lilith and Charlie tho. In essecent the image is a tier list to show how power an overload is
The thing I love about this song is that even though it is Vaggie and Carmilla singing, it begins with the Oldest and Wisest Overlord offering an ear. The fact that Carmilla holds Zestiel in such high esteem that she's willing to be vulnerable and share her weakness (her daughters) with him shows how deep their bond and their trust runs. What's more, is it's clearly a very loving bond, and one Zestiel is not unaccustom to. As old as he is, he must have seen dozens of overlords, and friends, rise and fall so now he is willing to do "whatever it takes" to keep them safe, as shown by his caution in that meeting. EDIT: OMG Something I just noticed! The tea set Carmilla has on her desk matches the cup Zestiel used at the meeting. And there's only three cups on the desk, one for her and her two daughters. Is that like saying he always has a seat at her table?
I still wonder if he has ulterior motives, as it seems to me like he respects power and those who aren't afraid of using it. He bowed to Carmilla while discussing the possibility that she was capable of killing an exorcist, and it also seemed like he was implicitly threatening Alastor when he was questioning Alastor's involvement in the Hazbin Hotel. It's entirely possible that he's simply just formed a bond with Carmilla though
@@xryeau_1760I don’t know. You would have to think that Zestial is stupid powerful, almost prince of sin levels even, if even Alastor respects him. I think he’s more reserved since he didn’t off Velvette on the spot for her brazen, yet popping display, when he very well could have
There’s certainly merit to this, but on a pragmatic level her secret is already in jeopardy - Velvette has all but accused Carmilla of slaying the angel and suspicion abounds: she needs allies with her in case the worst happens - and in this case she made an ally of a trusted friend and partner-in-crime who likely has a lot of experience dealing with intrigue like this. It’s not just an emotionally-valid move - it’s also smart.
I can't get over a duet between these two actressed. I almost cried. and missed the plot ngl I couldn't get over how fantastic Daphne is... then I realized who voices Vaggie... and holy shit... wow
I can't even lie; hearing Daphne again after 25 years took me straight back to my senior year of high school and the emotional place that RENT left me in. I was crying even before the end of the song.
@FinnSkidmore she had to stop doing roles like this for awhile because Rent did a number on her voice iirc! but she's a total powerhouse and I'm so glad for more
@medd-lee RENT did a number on everyone's voice in the original cast. But Daphne and Adam and Idina definitely had the hardest vocal ranges to consistently sing healthily.
The nuts thing is this song literally made me think deeply on the concept of hell, spending forever in a place without being able to redeem yourself is a crazy concept
After watching Episode 6, Vaggie's words such as "But there's so much I wished that I could say" hits even harder knowing through what she has went through
This whole song is pretty, the line "I might lose the ones I was killing for" is especially so powerful, thanks to Carmilla's VA's amazing delivery and the leadup. I keep getting chills at that part every time I listen.
This song legit sent shivers through me. Carmilla kicked me right in the feel's with those notes by the gods. Vestial and Carmilla together so briefly but you can feel how close they are.
Such a beautiful song. The emotion of fear and love of those the two characters love shed greatly. Honestly one of my new favorite songs. Not to mention that the arrangement reminds me of rock music from the late 90s and early 00s.
If that ends up being the case that she could kill the Angel cuz she was doing it to protect her daughters, that might just end up making the Hazbin Hotel a massive danger zone for any angel. Should the hotel succeed in at least giving sinners empathy and selflessness they'll be able to slay angels that try to harm their friends/families who might also reside in said hotel too. I don't see Charlie succeeding in reforming anyone in 6 months, but I do see her at least creating the only place in hell where Demons can kill or push back exorcists, while other places, such as VVV would be absolutely destroyed cuz of their own selfish and prideful desire for expansion
Carmilla is also singing that she’ll keep Zestial safe. The way she defends him in Respectless as well shows how deep their friendship is. Maybe they’re a couple? I wouldn’t hate it.
I want to sing Vaggie’s part to my husband on our wedding day. I vow to be his armour. To make his dreams come true and to support him no matter what. He’s saved my life more than once. ❤
I like the display of how much Vaggie and Carmilla are kindred spirits. Both warriors, both willing to do whatever is necessary to protect the ones they care most about.
I ship them SO much! If you really look when they interact both here and at the meeting they look softly at one another and defend each other. Like it’s the subtlety. Carmilla is smiling when Zestial sits down at the meeting. Zestial sings to her to comfort her and even bows in respect when he mentions her killing the angel in the song… Even Hazbin Hotel official was asking for shipping name ideas for these two! My two favorite non main characters!
I really hope some of the overlords end up at the Hotel, either visiting or as actual guest trying to be redeemed. Also because i just want to see how Charlie would interact with someone like Zestial or Carmilla.
You can see the shock in Carmilla’s eyes as zestial puts his hand on her shoulder to provide comfort. This is probably one of the very few times zestial has ever shown kindness and sympathy towards a dear friend hence Carmilla being surprised. Remember as one of hells oldest living and most current ruling powerful overlords zestial has to set that nasty example to all to show who’s top dog and that you don’t wanna mess with me. But he shows this rare soft side of his in private because if anyone knew about his softness then other overlords and demons can easily over throw him as overlord thinking that he was to weak and hell needs a new nasty overlord ruling.
I like how we got some scenes about 2 of the overlords mainly, Zestial and Carmilla and i'm super invested in both of their characters. Can't wait to find out more about the green spider boi. Also love how during the "keep you safe" line she's looking at Zestial, I wonder what kind of relationship they have.
It’s the Yuri Orlov philosophy of arms dealing - never pick up a gun and join the customers. Of course, when her family was put in danger she quickly threw that rule out the window…
this song really reminds me of Dear Theodosia from Hamilton. The themes are similar (doing what it takes to protect your children/the one you love), the words are similar ("I'll do whatever it takes / I'll make a million mistakes"), there are even shared melodic motifs
It was probably the funniest fucking thing to me this year so far when the egg guy recaps: "so that guy told the lady, 'you killed the angel,' and she's like 'uh whatever it takes'"
It's because the past Disney saw their work as ART, now and that Bob guy I believe even said the cartoons are just for entertaining the kids. I remember when I used to be curious about every movie disney made because they always had an interesting plot, characters and songs, now it feels so soulless.
And this is why Carmilla is my favorite overlord. She didn't kill for power, she killed because she wanted to keep her daughters safe. She's smart enough to know that a war with Heaven could mean the end of Hell, but her daughters come first. She's such a fascinating character, I hope we see more of her!
Was it just me of was she referring to Zestial as well when she said about keeping her loved ones safe
@@captaintac3115I think so as well.
And can I mention that even though Velvette was the one to suggest war in the first place, she didn’t get her butt out on the battlefield?
@@Virgin_Succubus642 wonder what that battle plan was, just throw people at angels?
@@kalebgruber Wouldn’t put it past them to actually do such a thing
Other Overlords would've killed the angel for power, but she did it because she was a mother.
Seems the only reason she could do it actually
Not a lot of people realize this, but this makes her capable of being redeemed since it wasn’t for her own gain, but for the sake of her daughters
@Paalleujo Oh that's a valid point, I didn't even think about that!
I agree
@@Paalleujo We aren't sure she's a sinner demon though, as we see hellborn demons around as well. She could have had her children within Hell or she could have reunited with them, but we don't know.
Vaggie's jumping and climbing up high places is a thing that hits differently after you watch episode 6 and realize she used to have wings. 😭
I know the way she had to adapt and how she see’s herself a guardian for Charlie. A literal gaurdian angel
and on ep. 7 she regained her wings
Her wings did grow back but she was hiding them with her long hair
She does like high places like an angel
@@bizznick444joe7 I think Angels can pull their wings in completely.
Though I agree that they must have been back even before Ep 7 and she just didn't use them cause it'd be too dangerous.
I cried a little hearing this because she’s just a worried mother in a bad situation and vaggie just wants to keep her lover safe
I also cried listening to this the first time
so true
If I didn't hold myself back I would've had cartoon tear streams coming out of my eyes
This fr😢
I cried because it's totally random, who the heck is she
I love these two Overlords. Carmilla is just a mother who did what she needed to do to keep her daughters safe. How can you not love a protective Mother?
You can see her expresion in the pilot she had enough of the exterminators for centuries. Shes just like Charlie she cares about Hell and everyone, but she broke the rules.
I find it extremely interesting that of all the overlord, the 2 considered ancient are the most human. They are cautious, know when not to yield to their desires, they trust and support each other, their link going beyond the simple mutual interest that seems to link the 3Vs. That Carmilla chooses to hide a feat as impressive as the elimination of an exterminator (the natural enemy of sinners, enough to become a "hero" in hell and be feared and respected at least as much as Zestial) for fear of losing loved ones in a far from won war is very impressive.
I’m so glad they gave the part of Carmilla to Broadway legend Daphne Rubin Vega
@@clementinbonnet9773me too, I think it might just be because they have been in hell longer than any of the other overlords. The Vees were only in hell for a few decades and even alastor hasn't been here for a full century.
So since Carmilla and Zestial are older they had over a hundered years(maybe even more) to think about their actions and what kind of people they are and why they are in hell.
I don't think they're seeking redemption but I do think they figured what were their sins and since they were already doomed they decided to just make the most of their afterlife as overlords
Why is she even is hell though? She seems like a guenuine good person.
One is doing it for her children, the other is doing it for her lover
😂I didn't understand
@@Fan1yoloykunnouwugod Carmine's trying to protect her daughters, Vaggie's trying to protect Charlie
Still more selfless and wholesome than the angels appear to be so far
God only knows how anyone can say they belong in Hell, literally.
@@Fan1yoloykunnouwugod the both of them are fighting for someone they care
I think she meant to protect not only her daughters but Zestial too. The look she gave him and him being taken aback seems to imply that she doesn't want Zestial to get hurt, just like she defended him when Velvette insulted him.
Okay, I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed his reaction to her words.
He seemed stunned.
@@geoffreyblakeley5601 Probably he is surprised he is loved that much and he believed it was just respect
Yeah she looked at him when she said I'll keep you safe. She wants to keep ALL of her loved ones safe!
@@gingin3438I think it's because of his confidence in his own strength: He's typically a very well respected and powerful overlord, and yet Carmilla is still implying that an exorcist would be a genuine threat even to him despite his power
@@xryeau_1760 Zestial himself said they shouldn't act without intelligence
He is not week but can obviously get hurt
Velvet is trying to bite way more than she can chew
Did anyone else notice how she kinda looks at zestial when she sings the line "I'll keep you safe" after hugging her daughters? Kind of makes me think that she's not just protecting them. But it's also kind of protecting her friends as well, including zestial. just a theory, idk
SHe's trying to say "Zestial please keep this secret for me." In a way that explains why it needs to be kept secret, regardless of who would harm them.
I got that too. And it also seems a reasonable chance (if her daughters aren't twins) that Zestial might be one of their fathers after one night that they agreed went too far and never spoke about again but he is more or less how both kids think of as a favorite uncle if not dad. But also that this might be the weakest point in like Alistor's plans because the girls might be the only othet true born Hell children that Charlie might have if Heaven moves up its extermination like she fears as they seem to avoid the true born and also that Camilla might have acted when she didn't need to).
@@katesullivan4707 unfortunately for that theory, it is canon (as per hazbin wiki) that sinners can't reproduce...
either they were her bio daughters in life and reunited in death, or she adopted them in a sense while in hell...
I actually have a theory that Vaggie might be her third daughter that lived longer in life (as in she was very little when carmilla and the other girls perished) before ending up in hell...
@@alexaltenberger7324 It hasn't been confirmed whether Carmilla is a sinner so those are her actual Daughters as far as we know. The only Overlords that we know that are Sinner Demons as of right now are Alastor, Vox, and Valentino, it's not confirmed whether Velvette is a sinner demon as on the wiki she is just listed as a Demon, but idk if it means she's a hellborn or that we don't have enough info about her.
@@tenkainoiba2154 hopefully he understands that what she's asking given how he seemed to look at her in confusion
I NEED ZESTIAL TO HAVE HIS OWN SONG!!!! WHOS WITH ME!!!!!
He has one "the house of Asmodeus" (same voice actor)
@@gingin3438lmao 🤣
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@@gingin3438wait is it actually the same voice actor
@@patrice8487 YUP!
Vaggie in pilot “Charlie, please, don’t sing”
Vaggie in 3 episode: sings
She sings when nobody sees her. She's tsundere.
Also singing being the best way to pitch ideas to cannibal town
"Can't beat them, join them"
It's either she doesn't want to admit she likes to sing or Charlie just rubbed off on her 😂or both
@@ishashifarmaybe that could’ve been true, until the more than anything reprise
I love how Carmilla looked at Zestial when she said she'd keep "them" safe. She clearly considers Zestial family.
and also the way he looked at her like “what? Me too?”
Makes sense I mean she defended him against velvette in respectless so idk y he’s surprised
Zestial’s part at the beginning was just superb
"I know I can't replace you so I'll do anything to save you" such a powerful line
I love that Carmilla is not only protective of her daughters but also of Zestial as well. It really goes to show that they really trust each other and have a long history if he is considered part of her family. Zestial was even surprised to hear her say that when she looked at him and I genuinely think it's just sweet how big of a heart Carmilla has despite being an overlord who develops weapons.
She even didn’t want to start a war with heaven because she knew the consequences would be many sinners throwing their lives away for a losing battle thanks to misplaced confidence.
Yeah, shes definitely one to keep her guard up and act tough until she's around people she trusts. Then those walls come down showing how vulnerable she can really be. Like when Zestial asked her to tell, she did.
When Vaggie came to her, she opened the door quickly and theatened to silence her forever if she didnt convince her other wise. And we all know she could have. She has the means and the motivation to keep the secret safe.
But once Vaggie earned her trust and that she genuinely wanted to learn to protect the hotel,l and those in it, you could see the change in how Carmila interacted with Vaggie, she lets her guard down just before vaggie jumps over and gets new wings, you can see the shock in Carmilas face. Its a very interesting way to write a character.
You know at first I kept finding it weird how a lot of overlords seemed to be rather chill and almost nice individuals from some of the interactions we've seen, but I think I get it. Most of them have been in hell for so long that they've probably just mellowed out over time, Zestial having been around the longest no doubt explains his polite behavior, he's seen it all and simply chilled out because of it.
It also makes sense, you're there for eternity. Might as well make it a bit more comfortable. Overlords being chill towards eachother means they don't have to be as paranoid. And a trigger-happy maniac won't get nearly as far as someone who can work with others towards mutual benefit.
The ones we see at that meeting are also all the most powerful ones. They are all the kingpins of their own territories, yeah? And they all have a lot more to lose by infighting and more to gain by consolidating power and uniting against upstarts and new sinners who threaten their power. They're chill because they're the peak of the power dynamic. That's why the Vees are not nearly as chill. They're still fighting for a place at that big table. They may be the "new money", but this meeting was the "old money". I would imagine they act much differently around others that are not at their level.
It's easy to be chill when you are at the top of the mountain.
Don't get it twisted.
The horrid things you see Valentino do to Angel dust, ALL OF THEM are or have done the same things to others.
It's why they are Top Dogs.
@@Watcher8559 Well to be fair we don't know they're all THAT level of fucked up evil cocksucker. Val's shit relates to his job within the Vees. Would he be a fuckin rapey creep without them? Yeah but likely with less influence.
They all essentially trap and control souls, yes, but what they do with them varies. Alastor uses his for a lot of menial labor lol. For all we know, Camilla may have the soul count she does because she defends and protects those under her influence rather than abuses them. Zestial may allow his to live normal afterlives, like a farmer tending a herd, until it's dinnertime. (He eats souls, I heard.) Yeah they're all powerful Sinners, but that doesn't make them all scum of the earth moths lol.
They are in hell so they must have done some fuck shit. I think zestial might been in hell for blasphemy.
I like that Zestial is asking outof genuine concern. As far as he knows they are alone and wants to help his friend.
All the more reason why I ship them.
@@Nighlocktheawesome00likewise, I’m not sure, but I think it’s implied he might actually be the father of her daughters.
@@Nighlocktheawesome00 Same lol
After seeing Vaggies backstory, it just makes you appreciate her even more
Vaggies part is just so so beautiful i mean THE SINGING IS AMAZING she's just trying to keep Charlie safe
her part at the end was magnificent, this song got stuck in my head for 2 days.
Vaggie sounds like a Disney princess
@@MrMans_edits She is voiced by the voice actor that voiced Mirabel from Encanto. Or at least that's what I heard. Didn't check lol.
@@lusyfoxYep, I was like "No way! Omg! No way, it's actually true!" It surprised me, but then hearing her talk and singing you could definitely hear the similarities... It was wild, she's an amazing actress/voice actress!
Reminds me of Pearl singing about how she wanted to protect Rose.
I wonder if the reason Carmilla could kill the excorsist was because despite now being a demon she did it for a ‘holy’ reason- protecting her family, rather then just for herself or out spite/negativity
I’ve seen a few people say this now and I think it’s an interesting idea, I hope we get more info on exactly how she killed it. I’ve also heard people say that it might have been one of the Angelic Weapons introduced in Helluva Boss, which were named dropped as being produced by Carmela.
During the past exterminations, demons collected many angelic weapons, and Carmilla markets items obtained with them (see the "Carmine-Crafted Blessing-Tipped Rifles" seen in Helluva Boss, the only ones in Hell able to kill sinners and high ranking demons). It's possible they are able to kill angels as well. That's why Velvet immediately pointed to her.
Nah, you don't need special weapon or power to kill angel. Sinner and overlord just normaly didn't fight back. Overlords want to avoid war and normal sinners were too weak to win against a angel.
that's actually very interesting
@@HoaTruong-km9rkI doubt that. Look goetia like stolas are more powerful than overlords and yet we saw with some tools how he was easily defeated by striker and IMP who has no powers, just fighting skills.
There’s so much to unpack in this song, the fact that Zestiel bows to her as a mark of respect, her holding her daughters as she belts out her lines, the way she looks as Zestiel as she does so to show that even if there was a chance her daughters would get hurt she would never take the chance. What a scene!
The fact that Zestial is compassionate about Carmilla and her problems makes Zestial my favorite Overlord 😊😊
Edit: NO WAY!! I didn't realize that I have so many likes in this comment, thank you guys💗💗
It seems Alastor and him have mutual respect for each other
I feel like Zestial is compassionate because he's been through the pain and problems that most of the overlords that came after him are currently facing, if looking at all the screen time he's been in. He's been nothing but nice or respectful to all the other overlords, even not stooping to Velvette's level when she practically insulted him directly in his face! it actually wouldn't be entirely too surprising if Zestial was actually the very first overlord to exist in hell. Thus knowing entirely what the consequences could be if everyone were to just suddenly rise against the angels in an abrupt manner without knowing exactly what can or can't harm the angels first. Really just gives off fatherly/elderly/mentor vibes.
Viv has said he is the oldest Overlord, though that could either mean that he is the first one or just the oldest surviving one
@@Free_Flowing_Anxietyrather this second option, the first overlord would be more likely a Cain - son of Adam and first murderer or Eve as first sinner
@@Dragonofthefrozeneclipselet's be honest, he's awesome and caring if he consoders ypu your friend
After tonight, the line stranger in a brand new place hit so differently
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Vaggies part makes so much sense now
right?
Idk why but Vaggie's voice is kinda different when she sings
0:35 0:38
@@afrina_29Stephanie aka Vaggie VA lowers her voice when speaking as Vaggie because it suits Vaggie better. Her normal voice actually sounds higher pitched like her singing voice.
@@Kryz4Dayzvaggie is voiced by mirable ecnahtno I don’t know how to spell so plead
It's a deep song because the truth is the one thing most people would cross the line of taking life for is to protect those who are important to us.
That's true
Yes that's true but that doesn't explain why she's not doing jack shit about defending hell from the exterminators.
@@8eyes that’s most likely for other people to do. I don’t know if she can supply the army or something but I don’t know.
@@8eyes She literally said she's afraid if war broke out she'd lose them anyways.
Lyrics my guy.
@8eyes It's a weird sort of hypocrisy on Carmilla's part. She's a weapons dealer who has actively profited from the angelic weapons left after each extermination. Her weapons fuel the endless turf wars and killing of powerful overlords and demons. This seems kind of a weird line to draw, except she'd hardly be the first human to have a change of heart when confronted with the possibility of direct consequences of their previous actions.
Did anybody else got a little emotional while listening to Camilla's singing to protect her daughters? I did a little bit, cuz it reminded me of my mother, who died back in June 2022 from stage 4 lung cancer. I miss her everyday. 😭😢❤
A mother would do anything to keep her children safe. 💗👩👧👧
Sorry for your lost
Be strong, dont go hollow. ❤
@@lightinggodzilla2424 *loss
Judging by Carmilla's reaction to Zestial's hand on her shoulder, I'm guessing that such an act is unheard of from him. For him to make such a gentle, concerned physical contact with her speaks volumes of how much he values her friendship as a person.
Well zestial is one of the oldest overlords in hell to date and the oldest current ruling overlord to date there were probably other overlords just as old as zestial but we’re quickly dispensed with by alastor. So he’s had a pretty long time to think things over and have valuable advice and wisdom. That and Carmilla’s the only one zestial can really trust and count on as a friend and ally and vice versa with Carmilla. But I bet zestial doesn’t show this soft side of his to often.
Man this woman's voice is paradise to my ears, I cant get tired of this
Right both of them are amazing I wish I could sing that good
@@IlcotheOtter Stephanie Beatriz feels a bit out of her league though, and that's not a dig against her. There is some MAD singing talent on that show that would put almost anybody to shame.
@@DehnusNorder it's full of Broadway people so I expect it
This song hits very deep. She did what she did to protect her children, but also expresses fear if she told the truth. In real life, the truth goes both ways: for best or for worse. In this case, she fears the truth will be for the worse for everyone in Hell and lying doesnt help it either given what happened with a shorter time til the next Extermination Day. She only have very few people who really cares about her: her children and Zestial, and a potential war if the truth came out would be too much for her to the point that she'll lose everyone she cares the most.
I also have a sneaking suspicion that some of that fear may be because she honestly doesn't know *how* she killed it. The leading theory seems to be that the only reason she was able to was because she was doing so to protect her daughters, out of love and selfless sense of protection. Many in Hell would not be able to harness that same power, even if she was able to articulate how she killed the Angel.
Heaven has forgotten that the sinners may have screwed up in life, but some of them happen to be parents, husbands, wives, and altogether, families who love each other no matter where they end up.
Imagine how many people suffered because they were separated with their loved ones after death. Just imagine how many winners in heaven never had a chance to see their relatives in hell
@@CF-or3ci Angel Dust has a twin sister up in Heaven.
"I might lose the ones that I was killing for"
What a powerful line! They really went all out with the songs, I actually did not expect them to turn out this good!
anyone notice the bow Zestial gives to Carmilla when he asks her about killing the angel? I love that little acknowledgment he gives her
Killing an angel was seem as an impossible feat until she did.....that's no small feat.
This isn't "just a cartoon with songs" anymore. This is a goddang musical masterpiece!
Edit: Look, ma, they really like me!
Vaggie's voice has two sides:
Vaggie's voice when singing: 😳✨😭🥰😍❤❤
Vaggie's voice when talking: 🗿
I can't stop remembering my mother every time I see Carmilla, a mother who tries her best beyond the limit to protect those she loves! Vivie earned my respect for having created great characters that we can identify with!
Carmilla and Vaggie's voices are absolutely beautiful during this song, and what I like most is that even though they're in different situations, the two of them are basically singing to the people they care about, saying that they'll protect them no matter what.
Vaggie lyrics makes even more sense now we know her secret.
Right?! I just realised that
Zestial and Carmilla are officially my 2 favorite overlords, next to Alastor !!
same
Same and also Rosie another favorite of mine.
Unpopular opinion: Whatever It Takes is underated
I disagree, i think vaggies voice goes to such a different place than any other time she speaks/sings that its impossible to recognize if you dont already know its her.
Other than that its an absolute bop but that one thing ruins it for me personally
why does that matter tho? can't it still be good even if you find her voice is different to the other times she speaks@@lunatheluma3804
All of the songs are great but i honestly think this one would work a lot better if it wasn't a duet. As much as i love the parallel between Carmilla and Vaggie, their voices are just so different and kinda don't mesh well. Plus, they already have another duet song in another episode anyway.
I think if it was just Carmilla or just Vaggie singing it would've been much better
@fuyukiryujin3723 fair but if I had to pick which would be the duet, it'd be this one, I actually quite like how their voices are different in this, but I get ya
YES i love this song so much
Carmila's voice is incredible, and I would listen to this on loop more than willingly.❤
The friendship between Carmilla and Zestial is amazing. The oldest and imo most powerful overlord being a godparent like figure to her daughters is a wholesome thought.
I don’t know if he’s the most powerful (Alastor could probably give him some competition there), but he is certainly no pushover and there aren’t too many demons in Hell that can match him in raw power - I’d say that he ranks on the top twenty list for certain.
@@wilberwhateley7569If we rewatch the pilot episode and go to the bit where the picture of multiple overloads is shown, Zestial appears there. He appears above Vox so out of all the overlords we know/seen Zestial is one of the most powerful, still being below Lucifer, Lilith and Charlie tho. In essecent the image is a tier list to show how power an overload is
I love how her daughters understood why she did not say anything in the meeting. This was a really sweet scene here with the song 🥲🥲
The thing I love about this song is that even though it is Vaggie and Carmilla singing, it begins with the Oldest and Wisest Overlord offering an ear. The fact that Carmilla holds Zestiel in such high esteem that she's willing to be vulnerable and share her weakness (her daughters) with him shows how deep their bond and their trust runs. What's more, is it's clearly a very loving bond, and one Zestiel is not unaccustom to. As old as he is, he must have seen dozens of overlords, and friends, rise and fall so now he is willing to do "whatever it takes" to keep them safe, as shown by his caution in that meeting.
EDIT: OMG Something I just noticed! The tea set Carmilla has on her desk matches the cup Zestiel used at the meeting. And there's only three cups on the desk, one for her and her two daughters. Is that like saying he always has a seat at her table?
I still wonder if he has ulterior motives, as it seems to me like he respects power and those who aren't afraid of using it. He bowed to Carmilla while discussing the possibility that she was capable of killing an exorcist, and it also seemed like he was implicitly threatening Alastor when he was questioning Alastor's involvement in the Hazbin Hotel. It's entirely possible that he's simply just formed a bond with Carmilla though
@@xryeau_1760I don’t know. You would have to think that Zestial is stupid powerful, almost prince of sin levels even, if even Alastor respects him. I think he’s more reserved since he didn’t off Velvette on the spot for her brazen, yet popping display, when he very well could have
There’s certainly merit to this, but on a pragmatic level her secret is already in jeopardy - Velvette has all but accused Carmilla of slaying the angel and suspicion abounds: she needs allies with her in case the worst happens - and in this case she made an ally of a trusted friend and partner-in-crime who likely has a lot of experience dealing with intrigue like this.
It’s not just an emotionally-valid move - it’s also smart.
@@lennydickson8845we already know that overlords fall well below the true powers of hell
So cool to have a duett work this good, without the participants knowing or singing to each other. So rare and genius!
I can't get over a duet between these two actressed. I almost cried.
and missed the plot ngl I couldn't get over how fantastic Daphne is... then I realized who voices Vaggie... and holy shit... wow
I can't even lie; hearing Daphne again after 25 years took me straight back to my senior year of high school and the emotional place that RENT left me in. I was crying even before the end of the song.
I loved Daphne in Rent, I am honestly glad to see her here.
@FinnSkidmore she had to stop doing roles like this for awhile because Rent did a number on her voice iirc! but she's a total powerhouse and I'm so glad for more
@medd-lee RENT did a number on everyone's voice in the original cast. But Daphne and Adam and Idina definitely had the hardest vocal ranges to consistently sing healthily.
@saralovelace7219 that's what I remembered yeah! thank you for helping me
The nuts thing is this song literally made me think deeply on the concept of hell, spending forever in a place without being able to redeem yourself is a crazy concept
She the nicest overload
Thank you for almost 100 likes on my comment
@@gavingaming5381now not almost
So even in Hell, a Mother is still a Mother, literally NOTHING could change that, not even Death itself apparently.
I love how soft and sweet Vaggie singing voice is. One could almost call it "angelic "
2:36 "Whatever we go through" harmonizing between Vaggie and Carmilla too perfect 💖
1:40 - 1:56 Vaggie's line foreshadowed the 6th episode
After watching Episode 6, Vaggie's words such as "But there's so much I wished that I could say" hits even harder knowing through what she has went through
Man, hearing Daphne Rubin-Vega singing again is making me emotional. Mimi forever.
This whole song is pretty, the line "I might lose the ones I was killing for" is especially so powerful, thanks to Carmilla's VA's amazing delivery and the leadup. I keep getting chills at that part every time I listen.
And Vaggies "You Made me feel like a Stranger in a Brand New place" as now knowing What she is
@@pilotmustard7205notice for comfort, she got higher? This is probably because she used to have wings, and the sky was the comforting place
I don't know why, but this song was the most important thing to me.
This song legit sent shivers through me. Carmilla kicked me right in the feel's with those notes by the gods. Vestial and Carmilla together so briefly but you can feel how close they are.
WHEN SHE SAID ILL KEEP YOU SAFE AND LOOKED AT ZESTIAL AAAAGHHHHHH,,,
Everytime Carmilla started to sing I’d tear up she has such a BEAUTIFUL and POWERFUL voice it makes me wanna cry
Listening to this again after the episode 6 reveals….vaggie’s lines make SO MUCH SENSE NOW
Waiting for Carmilla to be revealed as another exorcist who abandoned her duty. Maybe even one that Vaggie knows personally.
Carmilla's voice just hits home. I have a vocal/choral background and I'm trying to dissect it technically but it hits me in me heart regardless.
Such a beautiful song. The emotion of fear and love of those the two characters love shed greatly. Honestly one of my new favorite songs. Not to mention that the arrangement reminds me of rock music from the late 90s and early 00s.
I mean, they had to let Daphne Rubin-Vega shine. When you have the original Mimi from Rent singing for you, you give her rock.
Never knew vaggie had such a high pitch voice when she sings till watching this
If that ends up being the case that she could kill the Angel cuz she was doing it to protect her daughters, that might just end up making the Hazbin Hotel a massive danger zone for any angel.
Should the hotel succeed in at least giving sinners empathy and selflessness they'll be able to slay angels that try to harm their friends/families who might also reside in said hotel too.
I don't see Charlie succeeding in reforming anyone in 6 months, but I do see her at least creating the only place in hell where Demons can kill or push back exorcists, while other places, such as VVV would be absolutely destroyed cuz of their own selfish and prideful desire for expansion
Same here.
Ive got 2 daughters 17 and 21 and this is our new favourite show! The lyrics are so heartfelt. Great harmonies.
Carmilla is also singing that she’ll keep Zestial safe. The way she defends him in Respectless as well shows how deep their friendship is. Maybe they’re a couple? I wouldn’t hate it.
this made me tear up but I'm so obsessed with this song I've been singing this for days screaming in my room it's just to gooood
I want to sing Vaggie’s part to my husband on our wedding day.
I vow to be his armour. To make his dreams come true and to support him no matter what.
He’s saved my life more than once. ❤
Congrats 😊😊🙏
After this episode, zestial is now one of my favorite characters
I love how Vaggie's voice gets higher when she sings, it fits her character sm 💗😭 Also this is def one of my most favorite Hazbin Hotel songs so far
I love Vaggie's voice whens she sings
Vaggies part makes alot more sense now that we know she is an Angle 😢 also who cannot love carmilla this song is underrated ❤❤❤
I like the display of how much Vaggie and Carmilla are kindred spirits. Both warriors, both willing to do whatever is necessary to protect the ones they care most about.
This song is fire, been hearing it on repeat for the last hour
I'm blown away by the talent these two have. Specially Carmine's VA. This is my favourite song so far and it lives rent free in my head.
"rent-free". Ironic phrasing lmao. Camilla's VA is Daphne Rubin-Vega, the original Mimi in the Broadway show RENT in the late 90s.
"..at a brand new place"
now we know what she was talking about
Vaggie is such a great girlfriend. She has her doubts about the hotel but fully supports her girlfriend in her hopes and dreams despite this. ❤
I don't know why but this song is really nostalgic for some reasons, It feels like I've heard something like this back in 2011 or 2013
Zestial's singing voice sounds like a Preacher and I love it
I don't know how there aren't more people talking about this one, it's my favorite song in the show by FAR
Vaggie's line about being your armor makes sense now since the angels seemed unkillable to the demons
I ship them SO much! If you really look when they interact both here and at the meeting they look softly at one another and defend each other. Like it’s the subtlety. Carmilla is smiling when Zestial sits down at the meeting. Zestial sings to her to comfort her and even bows in respect when he mentions her killing the angel in the song… Even Hazbin Hotel official was asking for shipping name ideas for these two! My two favorite non main characters!
Zestilla
I ship them together SO MUCH and agree with everything that you have said about them👏👏👏👍👍👍 and I hope that they are an actually ship in the show 💗 .
I really hope some of the overlords end up at the Hotel, either visiting or as actual guest trying to be redeemed. Also because i just want to see how Charlie would interact with someone like Zestial or Carmilla.
Dammit Vaggie's voice actress makes me tear up like a little bitch. 🥲
Stephanie Beatriz, she’s awesome
1:30 Zestial’s like “Me? Keep ME safe? I’m flattered old friend”.
Vaggie's lines hit different after episode 6
Holy fuck, the chills mamacita carmine is giving off, I love it
You can see the shock in Carmilla’s eyes as zestial puts his hand on her shoulder to provide comfort. This is probably one of the very few times zestial has ever shown kindness and sympathy towards a dear friend hence Carmilla being surprised. Remember as one of hells oldest living and most current ruling powerful overlords zestial has to set that nasty example to all to show who’s top dog and that you don’t wanna mess with me. But he shows this rare soft side of his in private because if anyone knew about his softness then other overlords and demons can easily over throw him as overlord thinking that he was to weak and hell needs a new nasty overlord ruling.
I like how we got some scenes about 2 of the overlords mainly, Zestial and Carmilla and i'm super invested in both of their characters. Can't wait to find out more about the green spider boi. Also love how during the "keep you safe" line she's looking at Zestial, I wonder what kind of relationship they have.
I’m also wondering what relationship they have plus if it romantic ill ship them full full 🛑
The best part of this is showing her humanity. She wasn’t bad . She loved deeply to the point that they were damned with her .
After Vaggie's first part in this song I thought I figured out what her reveal would be, and man was I so happy I was right.
Carmilla: *Is an arms dealer*
Also Carmilla: *Doesn't like killing*
Certified Bruh Moment
It’s the Yuri Orlov philosophy of arms dealing - never pick up a gun and join the customers. Of course, when her family was put in danger she quickly threw that rule out the window…
@@wilberwhateley7569 I know, it's just funny
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1:36 After seeing the most recent episode this part brakes my heart even more 😢
This somg actually gets better after seeing episode 7 and seeing the two characters singing it meeting, plus the song that happens there.
I think its so stong that carmilla called the angle "that thing"
This song goes really hard is a beautiful song i love it i like vaggies voice her voice is so pretty!
The way Zestial looked surprised when she looked at him during the "I'll keep you safe" line
this song really reminds me of Dear Theodosia from Hamilton. The themes are similar (doing what it takes to protect your children/the one you love), the words are similar ("I'll do whatever it takes / I'll make a million mistakes"), there are even shared melodic motifs
I cried thru this whole number and just held my mate's hand while we watched this
It was probably the funniest fucking thing to me this year so far when the egg guy recaps: "so that guy told the lady, 'you killed the angel,' and she's like 'uh whatever it takes'"
Good old camero carfight’s singing
I can't stop thinking about Frank's "And then she was all like 'wHaTeVeR iT tAkEsSS~'"
Carmilla's voice is so beautiful and powerful. I really hope she gets more singing parts next season.
is it just me or is this the most underrated hazbin hotel song?
not just you
it is
This is so Disney like literally this song might even be better than most Disney songs
It's because the past Disney saw their work as ART, now and that Bob guy I believe even said the cartoons are just for entertaining the kids. I remember when I used to be curious about every movie disney made because they always had an interesting plot, characters and songs, now it feels so soulless.
@@horsewings3561 yeah, I guess you could say Disney lost what made it special
Iger has lost what made Disney awesome. “Let It Go” spoke to adults and kids, for example.
@@PeachWookiee yeah, I know but what the hell does lger mean
@@romansanchez2277 Iger is Bob's last name.