I'm not saying you're wrong. But it may well be that they are also using Daima to retcon some of the details in Super Akira didn't like, so it may be conflicting because it's in fact removing that detail from canon. It wouldn't mean that Super itself is decanonized just those small details
That wasn' an old fan theory it was Goku's theory from DBZ. DBS anime writers were the once who retconned what Goku said. The only reason DBS retconned why Vegitto separated is because they wanted a cameo during the Goku black arc.
@@bloody4558 Exactly, people miss this because TFS portrayed him as stupid, which is fine for their purposes, but isn't accurate. He's actually a genius.
I think a cool way to solve the shin and kibito being unfused retcon, would be if shin and kabito at the final fight or or somewhere in the in the series where the fuse in order to get enough power to fight and then when they get back to Earth they see boo sleeping
Literally when Supreme Kai when he mentioned Universe 7, Goku is not surprised. Regarding for Pan. Goku thought Piccolo is getting bread since pan means bread in English.
The problem is that in Dbs goku and vegeta have no idea that there are other universes and don’t learn about them until the universe 6 arc. Even vegeta was questioning whis like “there’s more than 1 universe???”.
@@senpaichazak But the mention of the word universe 7 without the context behind it, it's not something Goku will care to learn or even notice. He doesn't care about it unless you mention how there might be strong fighters outside
Devil's advocate here. The Bardock design can easily just be attributed to Toei just either missing the detail, or choosing to go with the current design. One stronger question has to do with the mention of universes within Daima but then also the fact that in Super our characters learn about the multiversity for the first time and react accordingly. So if they were the same timeline they wouldn't have a reaction when they first learn about multiversity in Super. I point this out with full knowledge that when these shows do and say things they rarely do so with foresight that future projects may interconnect.
Unpopular opinion I have is, that the connection that will be made in daima that will happen in super is, I feel like those fusion bugs won't be used until super, by goku keeping his pouch he is shown carrying throughout daima so far! And another opinion I have is that goku and company will get their original bodies back by the end of daima again connecting daima and super in the continuity, making daima Canon, just like akira toriyama had stated back before his passing, on how the next illustration that comes out will connect to super, but there will be a revelation in super deepening the connection between the 2!
This is exactly how I took it. The only thing that bothers me is Goku being surprised by Kabitoshin being defused in Super. I'm assuming Kabito and Kaioshin will fuse during Daima in order to help fight and that's why they are combined in Super.
So a couple things, The stance you mentions that goku uses is the one he used in og dragon ball so I don't think it could be referencing super. Kibito and Shin are unfused in Daima but fused at the beginning of Super. This will either be a naturally occurring alternate timeline or some bs will happen near the end to correct certain events so that it lines up with Super.
I don't think is after dragon ball super because goku doesn't have any god transformation & also bills and zenosama are not in daima, so this could be after buu saga, but super is after buu saga too 😂😂😂, both series are after buu saga and this make daima an alternative continuation of buu saga, so we have 2 canon continuation to buu saga and 1 non canon continuation to buu saga that is GT, also "dragon ball super heroes" can consider it self as a "non canon continuation" to "dragon ball super anime" because at first episode of "dragon ball super heroes" it's tell story of "tournament of power arc" before the 1 episode of "dragon ball super heroes" start
Tbh the real retcon is why the old Kai of our universe never unfused and zamasu( future supreme kai) in the manga did. Now the rest the old Kai thinking two people would stay fused since he fused with a mortal. Similar to how shin and our kai in training stayed fused but used the namekian dragon balls, now the buu gases being a newer way is fine as well
finally! someone who actually cares about stitching DB series all together. a lot of other channels like Saiyan Scholar does nothing but bash on every Daima Episode like wtf.... have some respect.
Scholar rage baits with his Thumbnails. But in his actual video he'll have sometimes the opposite opinions. I chose not to engage with them begin with cuz is all game that is best avoided to begin with.
It is recommended, for supreme ksi from other universe revealed it's only permanent for kaiser, meaning demon realm resident species, wich aren't saying and humans, wich it's not permanent for goku and vegita, and right now their is no reason daima can't be before super so far, but if supreme kai and kabeto doesn't get re murged at end, and or other things happen that will cause super to not be cannon
You still didn’t explain how Kabito and Shin ended up fused again. I have no problem with there being 2 ways to defuse but that still doesn’t explain how they end up fused again after they already separated. Is there gonna be a scenario where they have to fuse again? And if so why didn’t they just use the Buu method to separate again?
Daima isnt over, so until it is there isnt an argument. More than likely they will fuse again before the series is over and why they didnt use buu could be bc he was sleep when hes needed as usual and they didnt wanna wait anymore. If you watched the ENTIRE video this was addressed
@@WeeSentinel It's not going to be addressed man. Toriyama didn't have Vegetto Blue in his plot outline. Goku has no reason, and will have no reason to ask Gowasu why he and Vegeta defused, making this a permanent plot hole.
@@Jim-pq9pm we will have to wait and see. The comparison of effort that toriyama put into daima is almost night and day. Toriyama just gave notes to the editors and toyotaro about what should happen in super with no specificity which led to super having constant potholes, where as toriyama worked extensively on daima and we can see that as he address some inconsistencies as well as added on new lore to dragon ball
You do make some compelling arguments but there is one glaring issue. In Daima, Kibito and Shin say they used Buu to separate. But in Super they state being separated via a wish from the Dragonballs. Now obviously that can be explained if they re-fuse and Buu is asleep the second time ... Daima can fix this by having them re-fuse but yeah.
@MajinBird that wouldn't make sense tho. Because the end of Buu arc and BOG are literally a year apart. So you're saying all of this (this being turned into kids, having to traverse the demon realm and defeat the new demon king and become adults again) will all happen in the span of a year right before Beerus arrives.
@@robertkemp5362 actually the time span between the buu arc and super is four years. At this is shown as in daimas trunks I 9 while in the beginning of super he's 12--13. But even if we say that time span was one year, it could still fit as the adventure of daima doesn't seem to be that long especially as sonfar only a week has gone by throughout the adventure
Daima is gonna make GT and Super Hero’s the 9min clips on TH-cam. Canon Thus enters Fu Because he’s tryin to take all the universes for himself and rule them in one universe. Which brings in the multiverse saga. Which would be the dragon ball kakumei arc.
In age zero there were only two relm God relm and demon relm Later in age 40 a namakian called zalima from demon relm create using super dragon balls a relm called mortal relm consist of 12 universe heaven and hell Move out from the demon relm to mortal relm settle in two universes ( 6&7) And the planet they settle known a planet namak they live there for millenium like normal mortals Yah thats settle most of the part of the db universe This story gave a clean floor that everything interconnected and sink in perfectly
Im all in agreeance that its the time limit or possibly buu causing the defusion, but they said his gas he blows out of his body. that cant be right cuz vegito busted buuhan's shit in that gas lol.
I knew it dragon ball super and dragon ball Daima are connected if not why would I see the New Bardock design and hear people say universe 7 thanks Majin
One retcon between Super and Daima is, in Super Kaioshin sperates from Kibito using dragonballs, but in Daima (the og explanation for Vegeta and Goku's separation) is used.
You still don’t get the whole point: even if those justifications are valid, the overall narrative remains off, because dialogue lines between franchises become a patchwork of things with voids. Just for an instance: can we toss the canon sceptre aside and be just like Japan people who don’t care canon at all?
I wish... but drgaon ball fans especially in the west only care about what's canon, and fights. It's almost as if anything that isn't Z influenced or deviates from norm of dragon ball is automatically bad. That's why we have people hating daima for little reason such as goku being a kid and being strong, no strong enemies of now, and it not being super 2
I mean there's a lot more to it than that but because bardock looks like that doesn't got nothing to do with super it's just a new design and if you're saying about vegito diffusion GT done the same thing when their power level was too high in super Saiyan 4 the diffuse like vegito blue gt got alot to do with dragon ball z but its not canon i mean he takes ideas from everything fan made and things that he made so the dont got to be connected to super or anything else plus Vegeta would remember universe 7 and wouldn't be surprised by it from beerus
The Bardock part can be debunked as it could be simply down to the artist not wanting to use the old design or they forgot about his old design. They could also be used to drawing his new design so they genuinely forgot to revert to his old design.
At bare minimum Daima is using information from Super to shape the background information for Daima. We have a Bardock from Minus and Super. The constant use of Earth as existing in Universe 7 representing that other uses exist like in Super. The idea that Nameks comes from an outside dimension. It's all there. I think the end of the series is gonna end with a time loop or something but if not at the least they were using Super's concepts
Also they didn't forget his old design. We don't need to pretend. Daima has been finished for years. The shows development that is. They would have caught it and had plans for what to do next. Plus for many more years befrehand Bardock (Super) has become Bardocks official in continuity design because its based off of what Toriyama actually wrote. Bardock (Super) is just Bardock now the same way Broly (Super) is Broly Furthermore a side note Bardock (Super) does everything that Bardock (Z) does just without the future sight and still lone man stands against Frieza. Fasha (Sepia) and the others are still taken out by Dodoria. It's all still basically there. So fans should really just stop worrying to much about it.
Let’s just say dragon ball doesn’t have the smartest writing. Dragon Ball 🐉 is the Swiss cheese of anime, plot holes everywhere. There are so many plot holes in DB that there are 100’s of fan channels basically dedicated to explaining all the inconsistencies, bad writing and plot holes, the mental gymnastics fans have to go through to understand all the nonsense in DB is actually kinda sad. 😅
Wrong wrong. Diama is a different timeline. Just as ball is one. Z is a different one, first future trunks is one then Kai is one then so one only the ball was the main the rest are branches off it
The demon realm is so ignorant to common db knowledge they don't know what ki is.. and they have one nemek..an assumed thar their from the demon realm ...?? Piccolo/kami's original form was the original Namekians which are the oldest...that are connected to the Kai's which is why they're super db's in the first place
Huh? The demon realm isn't ignorant at all to dragon ball. The demon realm has been established since the og dragon ball show. Demon king piccolo was from the demon realm as he was the current demon king at the time. It makes sense daima said that namekian originated from the demon realm but hated the oppressive rule and majority of them left for Namek. That's why characters like the old namekian we saw in daima and king piccolo were still in the demon realm as they were few namekians that choose to stay. That's also why when king piccolo got released he had a whole bunch of his demon army. And it's not all demons who don't know what ki is but some. Dabura the previous demon king could use ki and gomah the current demon king knows what ki is. It's just that a lot of the demons aren't aware of ki and utilize magic since that's how most demons fight, we've seen it king piccolo using magic, dabura using magic and now glorio
That is a problem because by the time dbs happen w beerus vs goku then they better be refused again before daima end.. or nah ima put daima right along w gt. Its trash. At this point choose your own continuation after z i choose super cause. Tf nah. I cant even disrespect gt like this either as bad as that was too. For now im putting daima with super dragonball heroes 😂
Wait what? So daima would be trash IF they left an inconsistency at the end of the show even if daima does spectacular things with great visual and story. I get it that we want a consistent continuation of dragon ball, but daima isn't even over yet and getting hung up on minor details and inconsistencies when the show ain't even finish ruins the whole experience.
do I do understand in some of the points you're trying to make and trying to connecting the different super references in dragon Ball daima there's also a lot of GT references in there too but doesn't mean it's connected to GT now does it but you got to remember the new Dragon Ball anime is a 40th anniversary series celebratingall the different Dragon Ball continuities manga, classic DB super and even GT from all we know daima can very well still take in place in a separate timeline also the Dragon Ball super anime it's in a separate continuity from the Dragon Ball super manga as well the dragon ball movies are also their own separate continuity
You're wrong and I hate that the algorithm thinks I'll like your misinformation videos in super when goku sees shin he asks how they separated and they state the dragon did it and in daima when goku asks they say it was buu. Right there is 2 very different answers and very clearly shows that they are not in the same continuity
just because things can technically fit within the lore as established does not mean things aren't retconned so they can tell the story they want to tell. Kibito Kai being defused is likely a retcon.
@millionshadesofdarkness2165 It does, the black star dragonballs were used to wipe the universe completely from existence and reborn into the same universe from the time that Goku was a kid unto the end of buu saga. The wish completely obliterated the black star dragonballs from existence and the super dragonballs took its place.That even the Name of the namekien is unknown. But the same is the one who created the super dragonballs.
Yeah no, Daima is either a side story like GT or the true continuity after Z replacing Super but Im gonna go on it being a separate side story following Z.
I think Buu has the ability to unfuse Portara due to Daikaioh residing within him. I know evil Buu/Uub has the god ki, but this can stil be a skill of Daikaioh that passively works inside Buu.
Wait so some of y'all actually think Daima isn't connected to Super / is replacing Super? Wow, I hate to say it but DB has one of the dumbest fanbases.
Lol it's not that super and daima dosent match up , it's that super dosent match with z and daima. The fact that super wasn't started by toryima. Breaks z Canon, dosent continue from z while daima is the exact opposite is enough This video is basically saying they both have goku so they're cannon Like no some things in super were approved by toriyama and he used it in daima Also time line dosent mean anything if time line made things cannon GT would be cannon since it dosent mess with any time line and would happen after super
*"The fact that super wasn't started by toryima."* Super's plot points are straight from Toriyama. It's just that the _Super_ Anime and Manga are different interpretations of Toriyama's DBS plot points of _Super._ On the contrary, GT wasn't started by Toriyama. *"Breaks z Canon, dosent continue from z"* Super takes place a year after the Buu saga. Oh, and this may be confusing but the _Super_ Anime is canon to the DragonBall Manga but not the Anime, but the _Super_ Manga is canon to the DragonBall Anime but not the Manga.
It's interesting how they brought up universe 7 in daima since this takes place before super. In super it was a huge revalation.
I'm not saying you're wrong. But it may well be that they are also using Daima to retcon some of the details in Super Akira didn't like, so it may be conflicting because it's in fact removing that detail from canon. It wouldn't mean that Super itself is decanonized just those small details
Right, Vegetto in Super was not in Toriyama's plot outline.
He is wrong daima erase super like super erase gt
@@kevinluce2320 no, daima didn't erase super. Daima is just like the movies or GT. Never canon in the main timeline.
@@geeare742 daima is canon it s not like gt or a movie. Tory was in the conception unlike super. So daima is more canon than super
No, it doesn't. Daima takes place before Super. @@kevinluce2320
That wasn' an old fan theory it was Goku's theory from DBZ. DBS anime writers were the once who retconned what Goku said. The only reason DBS retconned why Vegitto separated is because they wanted a cameo during the Goku black arc.
It was in the daisenshu
@@WeeSentinel I didn't know that I just knew Goku said it during the buu arc. Thanks
This makes sense why goku is more stupid in super
He was always stupid
@@trshbgs Ignorant, not stupid
@@bloody4558 Exactly, people miss this because TFS portrayed him as stupid, which is fine for their purposes, but isn't accurate. He's actually a genius.
@Jim-pq9pm he's a genius when it comes to fighting, and his personality switches when he gets serious. Other than that, he's always been an airhead
@@trshbgs He's carefree, which could appear to be an airhead. He's very high IQ. There's no such thing as high battle IQ and low intelligence.
I think a cool way to solve the shin and kibito being unfused retcon, would be if shin and kabito at the final fight or or somewhere in the in the series where the fuse in order to get enough power to fight and then when they get back to Earth they see boo sleeping
Are we forgetting the fact that Kibito and Shin are still fused in Super? The reasons for separating is irrelevant at this point.
I think they are going to fuse again at the end of the dragon Ball diama
@SP_CRAFT-m3i I hope they do
@@SP_CRAFT-m3i I think it would be really funny if them fusing again is a monkey paw when they wish to be adults again xD
@@Mari_Izu like if they wish to “restore everyone to how they were after defeating Buu” or something 😂
@@Happy2BHere Yeah, something like this xD
Literally when Supreme Kai when he mentioned Universe 7, Goku is not surprised.
Regarding for Pan. Goku thought Piccolo is getting bread since pan means bread in English.
The problem is that in Dbs goku and vegeta have no idea that there are other universes and don’t learn about them until the universe 6 arc. Even vegeta was questioning whis like “there’s more than 1 universe???”.
Pan is bread in Spanish and Japanese
That isn't much of an Issue Goku is known for no paying much attention to anything he doesn't care about.
@bloody4558 but he is really caring though but people misinterpreted him because of Cell or training battle maniac.
@@senpaichazak But the mention of the word universe 7 without the context behind it, it's not something Goku will care to learn or even notice. He doesn't care about it unless you mention how there might be strong fighters outside
Devil's advocate here.
The Bardock design can easily just be attributed to Toei just either missing the detail, or choosing to go with the current design.
One stronger question has to do with the mention of universes within Daima but then also the fact that in Super our characters learn about the multiversity for the first time and react accordingly. So if they were the same timeline they wouldn't have a reaction when they first learn about multiversity in Super.
I point this out with full knowledge that when these shows do and say things they rarely do so with foresight that future projects may interconnect.
MajinBird this is a perfect video!!!
Unpopular opinion I have is, that the connection that will be made in daima that will happen in super is, I feel like those fusion bugs won't be used until super, by goku keeping his pouch he is shown carrying throughout daima so far! And another opinion I have is that goku and company will get their original bodies back by the end of daima again connecting daima and super in the continuity, making daima Canon, just like akira toriyama had stated back before his passing, on how the next illustration that comes out will connect to super, but there will be a revelation in super deepening the connection between the 2!
Using the upgraded model of a character is not evidence to show where to canon is, especially on a character that rarely shows up in the canon
He said so sure of himself as if he was making a good point.
This is exactly how I took it. The only thing that bothers me is Goku being surprised by Kabitoshin being defused in Super. I'm assuming Kabito and Kaioshin will fuse during Daima in order to help fight and that's why they are combined in Super.
They also defused right away in buus stomach
Daimaa bivfest issue thats been solidified that breaks duo continuity is the wish it self.
So a couple things,
The stance you mentions that goku uses is the one he used in og dragon ball so I don't think it could be referencing super.
Kibito and Shin are unfused in Daima but fused at the beginning of Super.
This will either be a naturally occurring alternate timeline or some bs will happen near the end to correct certain events so that it lines up with Super.
awesome explanation! thanks!
It doesn't make sense in the BOG in why they're fused again if they defuse in Daima. There's no reason for them to fuse back in Daima though.
There might be, who knows, if they feel that they are in danger, they might
Daima's not even 1/4 complete, you have no way of knowing that
Goku, our boy, showing signs of c.t.e.
I don't think is after dragon ball super because goku doesn't have any god transformation & also bills and zenosama are not in daima, so this could be after buu saga, but super is after buu saga too 😂😂😂, both series are after buu saga and this make daima an alternative continuation of buu saga, so we have 2 canon continuation to buu saga and 1 non canon continuation to buu saga that is GT, also "dragon ball super heroes" can consider it self as a "non canon continuation" to "dragon ball super anime" because at first episode of "dragon ball super heroes" it's tell story of "tournament of power arc" before the 1 episode of "dragon ball super heroes" start
@@cachanilla1375 it’s not after dragon ball super
2:37 they can grow mustaches???
You forgot to mention that Shin literally said in Super that they made a wish with the Dragon Balls to unfuse.
You didn't watch the video and just listened to it? There was an image of it in the video which is why he didn't mention it. You could see it
some people will just never let go of head cannon
Damn that sucks I was hoping it was separate because now we won’t see a new form from goku like a super Saiyan four
I Agreed with you
Tbh the real retcon is why the old Kai of our universe never unfused and zamasu( future supreme kai) in the manga did. Now the rest the old Kai thinking two people would stay fused since he fused with a mortal. Similar to how shin and our kai in training stayed fused but used the namekian dragon balls, now the buu gases being a newer way is fine as well
finally! someone who actually cares about stitching DB series all together. a lot of other channels like Saiyan Scholar does nothing but bash on every Daima Episode like wtf.... have some respect.
Ummm no. Saiyan Scholar loves DB Daima and likes it more than DBS.
I literally just watched his recent episode review what is this gaslight?
Scholar rage baits with his Thumbnails. But in his actual video he'll have sometimes the opposite opinions. I chose not to engage with them begin with cuz is all game that is best avoided to begin with.
It is recommended, for supreme ksi from other universe revealed it's only permanent for kaiser, meaning demon realm resident species, wich aren't saying and humans, wich it's not permanent for goku and vegita, and right now their is no reason daima can't be before super so far, but if supreme kai and kabeto doesn't get re murged at end, and or other things happen that will cause super to not be cannon
You still didn’t explain how Kabito and Shin ended up fused again. I have no problem with there being 2 ways to defuse but that still doesn’t explain how they end up fused again after they already separated. Is there gonna be a scenario where they have to fuse again? And if so why didn’t they just use the Buu method to separate again?
Daima isnt over, so until it is there isnt an argument. More than likely they will fuse again before the series is over and why they didnt use buu could be bc he was sleep when hes needed as usual and they didnt wanna wait anymore. If you watched the ENTIRE video this was addressed
@@WeeSentinel It's not going to be addressed man. Toriyama didn't have Vegetto Blue in his plot outline. Goku has no reason, and will have no reason to ask Gowasu why he and Vegeta defused, making this a permanent plot hole.
@@Jim-pq9pm we will have to wait and see. The comparison of effort that toriyama put into daima is almost night and day. Toriyama just gave notes to the editors and toyotaro about what should happen in super with no specificity which led to super having constant potholes, where as toriyama worked extensively on daima and we can see that as he address some inconsistencies as well as added on new lore to dragon ball
This is a different timeline.
@@Dynamite20111 Join bugs aren't in Super. Neither is mention of Shin's siblings.
You do make some compelling arguments but there is one glaring issue. In Daima, Kibito and Shin say they used Buu to separate. But in Super they state being separated via a wish from the Dragonballs. Now obviously that can be explained if they re-fuse and Buu is asleep the second time ... Daima can fix this by having them re-fuse but yeah.
I'm hoping it is separate so we can get another form along the lines of blue and 4.
I literally only watch this with my dad and only share this info with my dad
If shin doesn’t fuse by the end of this that a MAJOR plot hole if your theory is correct
If daima is canon to super, then where is Beerus?
literally takes place before beerus comes to earth
@MajinBird that wouldn't make sense tho. Because the end of Buu arc and BOG are literally a year apart. So you're saying all of this (this being turned into kids, having to traverse the demon realm and defeat the new demon king and become adults again) will all happen in the span of a year right before Beerus arrives.
@@robertkemp5362dude just let the story progress further
@@robertkemp5362 actually the time span between the buu arc and super is four years. At this is shown as in daimas trunks I 9 while in the beginning of super he's 12--13. But even if we say that time span was one year, it could still fit as the adventure of daima doesn't seem to be that long especially as sonfar only a week has gone by throughout the adventure
@@robertkemp5362 Battle of Gods occurs 4 years after the Buu saga and 2 years after the Yo Son Goku Special.
No recons here since Daima is the canon
Daima is gonna make GT and Super Hero’s the 9min clips on TH-cam. Canon Thus enters Fu Because he’s tryin to take all the universes for himself and rule them in one universe. Which brings in the multiverse saga. Which would be the dragon ball kakumei arc.
look at majinbird fixing bad writing mistakes. it's always the fans that have to cover up for incompetence
In age zero there were only two relm
God relm and demon relm
Later in age 40 a namakian called zalima from demon relm create using super dragon balls
a relm called mortal relm consist of 12 universe heaven and hell
Move out from the demon relm to mortal relm settle in two universes ( 6&7)
And the planet they settle known a planet namak they live there for millenium like normal mortals
Yah thats settle most of the part of the db universe
This story gave a clean floor that everything interconnected and sink in perfectly
There were more than 12 universes, but Zeno erased 4 of them
Gotenks actually did defuse inside buu
Im all in agreeance that its the time limit or possibly buu causing the defusion, but they said his gas he blows out of his body. that cant be right cuz vegito busted buuhan's shit in that gas lol.
I knew it dragon ball super and dragon ball Daima are connected if not why would I see the New Bardock design and hear people say universe 7 thanks Majin
Right now daima is cannon to dbz, but super still ip in air till daima end's
One retcon between Super and Daima is, in Super Kaioshin sperates from Kibito using dragonballs, but in Daima (the og explanation for Vegeta and Goku's separation) is used.
thats not a retcon, they could refuse then defuse again
You still don’t get the whole point: even if those justifications are valid, the overall narrative remains off, because dialogue lines between franchises become a patchwork of things with voids.
Just for an instance: can we toss the canon sceptre aside and be just like Japan people who don’t care canon at all?
I wish... but drgaon ball fans especially in the west only care about what's canon, and fights. It's almost as if anything that isn't Z influenced or deviates from norm of dragon ball is automatically bad. That's why we have people hating daima for little reason such as goku being a kid and being strong, no strong enemies of now, and it not being super 2
"the DB Super Bardock from DB Minus". Those are two different things.
Same character
@@CupidSmurf657 Not if Super gets retconned into a different timeline.
I mean there's a lot more to it than that but because bardock looks like that doesn't got nothing to do with super it's just a new design and if you're saying about vegito diffusion GT done the same thing when their power level was too high in super Saiyan 4 the diffuse like vegito blue gt got alot to do with dragon ball z but its not canon i mean he takes ideas from everything fan made and things that he made so the dont got to be connected to super or anything else plus Vegeta would remember universe 7 and wouldn't be surprised by it from beerus
Bro…this is its own show…just a start over after BUu…no that and super is not in the same timeline…its just another story goin its own route
The Bardock part can be debunked as it could be simply down to the artist not wanting to use the old design or they forgot about his old design. They could also be used to drawing his new design so they genuinely forgot to revert to his old design.
At bare minimum Daima is using information from Super to shape the background information for Daima. We have a Bardock from Minus and Super. The constant use of Earth as existing in Universe 7 representing that other uses exist like in Super. The idea that Nameks comes from an outside dimension. It's all there. I think the end of the series is gonna end with a time loop or something but if not at the least they were using Super's concepts
Also they didn't forget his old design. We don't need to pretend. Daima has been finished for years. The shows development that is. They would have caught it and had plans for what to do next. Plus for many more years befrehand Bardock (Super) has become Bardocks official in continuity design because its based off of what Toriyama actually wrote. Bardock (Super) is just Bardock now the same way Broly (Super) is Broly
Furthermore a side note Bardock (Super) does everything that Bardock (Z) does just without the future sight and still lone man stands against Frieza. Fasha (Sepia) and the others are still taken out by Dodoria. It's all still basically there. So fans should really just stop worrying to much about it.
@@AstraFulminousnot really. Dbs bardock is just a copycat of superman's parents and original Bardock story was inspired by a greek tragedy
@@ClaclaTNot really.
Diama is before super and after z
Let’s just say dragon ball doesn’t have the smartest writing. Dragon Ball 🐉 is the Swiss cheese of anime, plot holes everywhere. There are so many plot holes in DB that there are 100’s of fan channels basically dedicated to explaining all the inconsistencies, bad writing and plot holes, the mental gymnastics fans have to go through to understand all the nonsense in DB is actually kinda sad. 😅
Right universal 7 but all of a sudden he ask about in super
Wrong wrong. Diama is a different timeline. Just as ball is one. Z is a different one, first future trunks is one then Kai is one then so one only the ball was the main the rest are branches off it
The demon realm is so ignorant to common db knowledge they don't know what ki is.. and they have one nemek..an assumed thar their from the demon realm ...?? Piccolo/kami's original form was the original Namekians which are the oldest...that are connected to the Kai's which is why they're super db's in the first place
Huh? The demon realm isn't ignorant at all to dragon ball. The demon realm has been established since the og dragon ball show. Demon king piccolo was from the demon realm as he was the current demon king at the time. It makes sense daima said that namekian originated from the demon realm but hated the oppressive rule and majority of them left for Namek. That's why characters like the old namekian we saw in daima and king piccolo were still in the demon realm as they were few namekians that choose to stay. That's also why when king piccolo got released he had a whole bunch of his demon army. And it's not all demons who don't know what ki is but some. Dabura the previous demon king could use ki and gomah the current demon king knows what ki is. It's just that a lot of the demons aren't aware of ki and utilize magic since that's how most demons fight, we've seen it king piccolo using magic, dabura using magic and now glorio
That is a problem because by the time dbs happen w beerus vs goku then they better be refused again before daima end.. or nah ima put daima right along w gt. Its trash. At this point choose your own continuation after z i choose super cause. Tf nah. I cant even disrespect gt like this either as bad as that was too. For now im putting daima with super dragonball heroes 😂
Wait what? So daima would be trash IF they left an inconsistency at the end of the show even if daima does spectacular things with great visual and story. I get it that we want a consistent continuation of dragon ball, but daima isn't even over yet and getting hung up on minor details and inconsistencies when the show ain't even finish ruins the whole experience.
do I do understand in some of the points you're trying to make and trying to connecting the different super references in dragon Ball daima there's also a lot of GT references in there too but doesn't mean it's connected to GT now does it but you got to remember the new Dragon Ball anime is a 40th anniversary series celebratingall the different Dragon Ball continuities manga, classic DB super and even GT from all we know daima can very well still take in place in a separate timeline also the Dragon Ball super anime it's in a separate continuity from the Dragon Ball super manga as well the dragon ball movies are also their own separate continuity
You're wrong and I hate that the algorithm thinks I'll like your misinformation videos in super when goku sees shin he asks how they separated and they state the dragon did it and in daima when goku asks they say it was buu. Right there is 2 very different answers and very clearly shows that they are not in the same continuity
so when they defuse at the end of daima we will revisit this yes
Hello there
just because things can technically fit within the lore as established does not mean things aren't retconned so they can tell the story they want to tell. Kibito Kai being defused is likely a retcon.
So does Dragonball GT take place in universe 6?
gt doesnt exist
@millionshadesofdarkness2165 It does, the black star dragonballs were used to wipe the universe completely from existence and reborn into the same universe from the time that Goku was a kid unto the end of buu saga. The wish completely obliterated the black star dragonballs from existence and the super dragonballs took its place.That even the Name of the namekien is unknown. But the same is the one who created the super dragonballs.
@@Jesus_Student Woah! Where the hell did you get this?
Yeah no, Daima is either a side story like GT or the true continuity after Z replacing Super but Im gonna go on it being a separate side story following Z.
I think Buu has the ability to unfuse Portara due to Daikaioh residing within him. I know evil Buu/Uub has the god ki, but this can stil be a skill of Daikaioh that passively works inside Buu.
Honestly there was some hints that indicate super wont be the canon antmore. Daima will and stop I fully support it, the quality difference is INSANE
DAIMA AND SUPER ARE CONNECTED, STOP THIS DUMB POTARA TALK⚠⚠⚠⚠⚠⚠⚠⚠
No they’re not.
Wait so some of y'all actually think Daima isn't connected to Super / is replacing Super? Wow, I hate to say it but DB has one of the dumbest fanbases.
Lol it's not that super and daima dosent match up , it's that super dosent match with z and daima. The fact that super wasn't started by toryima. Breaks z Canon, dosent continue from z while daima is the exact opposite is enough
This video is basically saying they both have goku so they're cannon
Like no some things in super were approved by toriyama and he used it in daima
Also time line dosent mean anything if time line made things cannon GT would be cannon since it dosent mess with any time line and would happen after super
*"The fact that super wasn't started by toryima."*
Super's plot points are straight from Toriyama. It's just that the _Super_ Anime and Manga are different interpretations of Toriyama's DBS plot points of _Super._
On the contrary, GT wasn't started by Toriyama.
*"Breaks z Canon, dosent continue from z"*
Super takes place a year after the Buu saga.
Oh, and this may be confusing but the _Super_ Anime is canon to the DragonBall Manga but not the Anime, but the _Super_ Manga is canon to the DragonBall Anime but not the Manga.