10 BIGGEST Dragon Ball Retcons

[@Geekdom101]

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- Plotholes vs Retcons - th-cam.com/video/Is5-Hup-iDA/w-d-xo.html
- Understanding Toriyama - th-cam.com/video/urQd1ZWQICw/w-d-xo.html
- The Creation of Dragon Ball - th-cam.com/video/LRJsNyw_zLU/w-d-xo.html
- Super Saiyan Tingly Back Explained - th-cam.com/video/zFqAvcuuCeA/w-d-xo.html
- Origin of Majin Buu - th-cam.com/video/yRXehTZUW2Q/w-d-xo.html
- Why Future Trunks Hair is Blue - th-cam.com/video/vBZGf7EuaEw/w-d-xo.html
- Old Bardock vs. New Bardock - th-cam.com/video/5oav-GZaeCw/w-d-xo.html

[@johannedesir9536]

Yes

[@bizzaromg2903]

"Two days ago" hhhhmmmmmm?

[@mahdihossain8520]

Hey geekdom what is your opinion on rebooting the whole dragon Ball series with new storyline and fixing up the problems. I mean there were lots of unexplored stuff in universe 7 like the demon realm ,frieza's clan , buu's depth origin , depth origin of saiyans etc.

[@bizzaromg2903]

@@mahdihossain8520 No. Rebooting Dragon Ball? Nope.
It's fun the way it is with retcons

[@58jn89]

The Saiyan's should have won and kill Frieza and protect their own planet.
What if the Saiyan's survived and won against Frieza and his men and Gine which is bardock's wife and also Fasha become princesses like Saiyan Disney princess type in a big fat gypsy princess puffy wedding dresses for the grand ball and for for the wedding because they are Saiyan princesses like a Disney Princesse?
Do you guy's to see Fasha and Gine dressing up as princesses an a big fat gypsy princess puffy wedding dresses for the grand ball and for the wedding because they are Saiyan princesses like a Disney Princesse?
How do you guy's agree with that idea that Fasha and Gine dressing up as princesses?

[@doraball6114]

So in conclusion retcons can be good or bad. And Goku being an alien was a genius retcon

[@czar17_28]

I do wonder where the show would go if that wasn’t the case.

[@danielmedjedovic7068]

it was good, but didnt like how they made Goku's origin way too similar as Superman. Like the tv special of Bardock was perfect, the saiyans were coldhearted people.

[@GILGAMESH069]

Frieza too was great

[@ShockaSlim]

I don't even really consider it a retcon to be honest. We never knew where he came from and saying he is an alien doesn't change anything about his actual past that we knew.

[@thunderlightningbolt6597]

@Daniel Medjedovic Agreed, Dragonball Minus was unnecessary, it didn't need to happen.

[@maxillebastille9079]

i can't imagine what it was like in 1989 when it was revealed Goku was an alien.

[@Geekdom101]

prob pretty cool

[@itsyaboi7387]

@@Geekdom101 you don’t remember? I mean weren’t you a kid back then?

[@sharpielighter4580]

@@itsyaboi7387 by the time he got into Dragonball I'm sure he already knew Goku was an alien

[@juliandavidhoffer2022]

Probably shocking since most Japanese people were aware of JttW and this took a massive departure from that.

[@devilfromhell8546]

just know that after that point, the whole show was turned upside down

[@RogueFox2185]

I don’t mind most of the changes, but the ones changing Bardock’s last stand, the creation of the scouters and the tingling back still don’t sit right with me.

[@58jn89]

The Saiyan's should have won and kill Frieza and protect their own planet.
What if the Saiyan's survived and won against Frieza and his men and Gine which is bardock's wife and also Fasha become princesses like Saiyan Disney princess type in a big fat gypsy princess puffy wedding dresses for the grand ball and for for the wedding because they are Saiyan princesses like a Disney Princesse?
Do you guy's to see Fasha and Gine dressing up as princesses an a big fat gypsy princess puffy wedding dresses for the grand ball and for the wedding because they are Saiyan princesses like a Disney Princesse?
How do you guy's agree with that idea that Fasha and Gine dressing up as princesses?

[@Dr.Zoidberg_2914]

Bardock did have his last stand though its literally in the broly movie

[@LittleAl016]

I consider the stuff regarding Bardock and the Souters to be broad strokes, anyways.

[@58jn89]

The Saiyan's should have won and kill Frieza and protect their own planet.
What if the Saiyan's survived and won against Frieza and his men and Gine which is bardock's wife and also Fasha become princesses?
How do you guy's agree with that idea?

[@58jn89]

@@LittleAl016 The Saiyan's should have won and kill Frieza and protect their own planet.
What if the Saiyan's survived and won against Frieza and his men and Gine which is bardock's wife and also Fasha become princesses like Saiyan Disney princess type in a big fat gypsy princess puffy wedding dresses for the grand ball and for for the wedding because they are Saiyan princesses like a Disney Princesse?
Do you guy's to see Fasha and Gine dressing up as princesses an a big fat gypsy princess puffy wedding dresses for the grand ball and for the wedding because they are Saiyan princesses like a Disney Princesse?
How do you guy's agree with that idea that Fasha and Gine dressing up as princesses?

[@supmichael]

Originally, Raditz told Goku that he was sent to Earth to conquer it. But in DB Minus, we are shown that he was sent to Earth to survive from Freeza.

[@Yandeezy]

I kinda wish they combined both. Bardock & Gine pretend they’re sending Goku to Earth to conquer it when it’s in fact just to sneakily escape Freeza.

[@bluejayy2054]

Well how would Raditz know otherwise? That's probably just what he assumed because he wasn't there when they sent Goku off. He was with Vegeta.

[@DSan-kl2yc]

@@Yandeezy that's kinda what they did. They let people think it was cause he was weak ect.

[@wiibrockster]

The only good thing from "Episode of Bardock" was Chilled. I like the idea of him being one of Frieza's ancestors.

[@shadowofthenorthstar989]

and ssj Bardock was cool even tho it didn't make sense but yea everything else was stupid

[@powerjolt7215]

I would've loved if Bardock went too hell (OK that came out wrong.. But whatever) and faced off against Chilled there instead of this time travel nonsense.

[@devilfromhell8546]

@@shadowofthenorthstar989 actually ssj bardock was badass but badass doesn't help to make sense in these kind of stories

[@shadowofthenorthstar989]

@@devilfromhell8546 I admitted it didn't make sense lol did you read?

[@legendsstar7630]

Speaking of super Saiyan bardock the vegeta vs golden frieza fight reminds me so much of bardock vs chilled since he is literally doing what bardock did just walk through the blast I mean he is deflecting them which is different but still

[@liamfowell8661]

IMO the best retcon is Gokus' origins. the whole Saiyan race back story has added so much depth and creativity to Gokus character which is also plot armour for new characters like vegeta and Frieza.

[@adriannaranjo4397]

I still think the Potara earrings being non permanent for mortals was a dumb change, it just feels like the stakes of such a transformation/form make it unique and much more of a risk. Now it's just indistinguishable from the fusion dance technique

[@jimmygrey6848]

I agree. There's nothing stopping them from using the earrings whenever they want now.

[@sibusisomazibuko9936]

With the potara, it would mean that we would never see the potara fusion ever because having it would mean losing two main characters to one new one. Do you really never want to see a potara fusion in the actual timeline rather than just games etc.

[@Aust51989]

Don’t forget about the bad dub decision of Bardock as a “brilliant scientist” lol!

[@Geekdom101]

Dub changes aren't retcons bro.

[@Aust51989]

Geekdom101 I know I was joking

[@haljordan3545]

Austin Smith no you wasn’t

[@albertgalan7829]

@@haljordan3545 "lol"

[@digunder14]

honestly, dragonball seems like a series where "Cannon" without context is meaningless, everything is cannon, only question is to what continuity

[@Geekdom101]

good!

[@devilfromhell8546]

true

[@tjhicks3600]

False. Even toriyama says that gt happens in a different universe, and uts easy to identify what is canon or not because some stuff doesn't fit in the timeline.

[@mauricereticau6292]

That means even GT is canon in terms of things that happened in the multiverse (I don't mean the 12 universes I mean a REAL multiverse with different timelines) but just has nothing to do with the main timeline that the original story follows. Kind of like Marvel's 616 universe. Other comics that take place in alternate timelines are canon in the sense that they happened in the multiverse, but they're irrelevant to the timeline we follow

[@MrSHADOWfox99]

*Canon

[@pandogstudios1512]

I’ll always be fine with the concept of the Vegito retcon since it gives a concrete and believable explanation for him defusing rather than Goku’s theory on Buu’s insides being responsible but I’m still not happy about the missed potential brought about because of it. Really wanted to see Vegito interact with the characters.

[@58jn89]

The Saiyan's should have won and kill Frieza and protect their own planet.
What if the Saiyan's survived and won against Frieza and his men and Gine which is bardock's wife and also Fasha become princesses like Saiyan Disney princess type in a big fat gypsy princess puffy wedding dresses for the grand ball and for for the wedding because they are Saiyan princesses like a Disney Princesse?
Do you guy's to see Fasha and Gine dressing up as princesses an a big fat gypsy princess puffy wedding dresses for the grand ball and for the wedding because they are Saiyan princesses like a Disney Princesse?
How do you guy's agree with that idea that Fasha and Gine dressing up as princesses?

[@blaineishere3851]

It annoys me, honestly. There’s not as much gravity to it now. Why ever use gogeta again? It makes vegito a 100% better choice because you just have to put on earrings.

[@blaineishere3851]

Thomas Houghton yes, but the earrings aren’t one-time-use. Keep a pair around with you, and bam.

[@blaineishere3851]

Thomas Houghton yes, I know. But it takes longer. They have to leave the battle for at least a few minutes. That’s a major disadvantage to potara was my point.

[@blaineishere3851]

Thomas Houghton also, why do you say it takes time? I don’t remember any hints at that, but maybe I forgot something.

[@NeoShot]

Toriyama is that one teenage fanfiction writer who makes up the story with each new chapter he writes

[@catbowserfantasytherapist3132]

Very thorough as usual! I definitely think Goku being an alien was a genius move.
I don’t actually consider Roshi’s story of the dragon balls a retcon but more that he had been given misinformation-something that happens a lot.

[@copilots3159]

I kinda like how there a multiple interpretations for "Who is the legendary SSJ?" kinda keeps the legend, a legend.

[@legendsstar7630]

I mean Paragus thought it was a legend until vegeta went super Saiyan

[@jarde1989]

I don’t think the legendary Super Saiyan can be considered a Retcon
A “legend“ by definition is a story that’s used as History… But is unauthenticated. Meaning the legend isn’t necessarily fact.

[@rajatsingh5714]

I think it is a retcon, because earlier when they said legendary super saiyan in the freeza arc, they meant the name of the form was super saiyan and it was called legendary because they heard about it in legends. But later, the legendary super saiyan itself became a different form.

[@TheSenjuShow]

Rajat Singh true true

[@Kitsune986]

Personally, I find it hilarious that a lot of people put it on a golden pedestal and say things like "I remember the good old days when it was legendary! I remember when it actually meant something!"
Right, like everyone and their dog didn't get it 10 episodes after the arc it was introduced in ended. As if it wasn't relegated to bitch tier and got beaten on by pretty much everyone.

[@jarde1989]

Rajat Singh
I agree to an extent, but in this video Geekdom is talking about the WHO not the form

[@Xeno455]

@@rajatsingh5714 Not... exactly.
Legendary is a term for, well legends. The legendary super saiyan form that we know of has always been called, in series, as Super Saiyan. Its just closer to the original saiyan nature as stated by Vegeta. The ones we see in U7 barring Broly are more of a mutation of the super saiyan form.
But they're all technically legendary forms

[@danielmedjedovic7068]

Fans: So now that Goku and Vegeta are in their god forms how can Frieza really challenge them?
Writers: Lets just make Frieza train for few months against weak henchmen and he will reach to their level despite goku and Vegeta being trained by an angel.

[@HentaiGod-sama]

Biggest bullshit ive ever seen and heard. At this point goku and vegeta can just train with Oolong and get to the angels lvl lmao.

[@danielmedjedovic7068]

@@HentaiGod-sama indeed. Its like the writers didnt even try to think of something.

[@danielmedjedovic7068]

@@yourlocalpostman yes but it didnt work, it was a bad and lazy type of writing. It would had been better if it was perhaps Cell since he has the cells of vegeta and goku, or perhaps just introduce a cooler (reboot) as the villain, or a new villain.

[@FazeRustyNuts]

Frieza is naturally strong he doesn't need to train for a long time that's how strong he is

[@danielmedjedovic7068]

@@FazeRustyNuts Yeah Frieza is strong but no way he could reach same strength as a ssj god, it was just lazy writing. Frieza trained in few months and did it with his henchmen while goku and vegeta trained with whis.
It would make more sense if it was cell since he has cells from goku and vegeta, but i am against them returning.

[@LowellLucasJr.]

DB Super: You have to be a Kai to permanently fuse!
Vegito & Us the audience: Say WHAT?!!

[@legendsstar7630]

Unless you wish to be separated that’s the only way for a Kai to defuse

[@alexpanos5078]

I haven’t seen the video yet
But in case you put the potara “retcon” in the video
It just explains why vegito defused in the buu saga
And it also shows that shin is an inexperienced supreme kai because he thought that the potara worked on mortals like it did with gods

[@latorreroja1196]

Well, he did.

[@GizmoMcs]

it didn't need any explaining thought, when it happened never gave it a second thought it was cause they got inside buu.

[@aladinsane9785]

It wasn’t Shin that brought up the possibility of using potaras, it was The Elder Kai. In fact, he gave Goku his potaras to use with Gohan. So it only goes to show that even Elder Kai, the Kaioshin of 15 generations ago, didn’t know about the potara limit.

[@alexpanos5078]

Aladdin Sane
Really?
from what I remember shin was the one that told goku potara fusion was permanent

[@diemaschineistrash3791]

Thank you it isn’t a retcon.

[@snin3202]

Vegito one still hurt right in the feels. Zamasu can crush potara rings or whatever to defuse them as a "retcon reason". But no. Set a time limit rule instead. Second .. Bardock special eps was too good to be retconned

[@TheJotaroKujo]

I really HATE the Bardock retcon. People complain about the dub making Goku too similar to Superman but Dragon Ball Minus does exactly that and even a lot more so.
I mean that was THE difference between Goku and Superman. Goku was sent to Earth to destroy it but accidentally became its savior. It was a VERY good story.

[@snin3202]

@@TheJotaroKujo ppl (we) are just love to shit on something. Plus most ppl on this fandom will love everything that created by Toriyama even the minus was more similar to superman story. But nope! Its Toriyama. Every shit he writes are treasure. Lets give a shit on dub Bardock special instead. I HATE this fandom more

[@BasedGalaxy]

The eternal buu retcon is cool makes him more menacing and mysterious even with all the gods around

[@dl01619]

I am willing to count Roshi's explanation of the Dragon Balls origin as just a legend that he believed

[@aashleysaggar1836]

The OG dragon ball showed young Goku
But the broly one showed him matured enough to understand the situation
like he was crying when was being sent off
He also had a armour on his body which wasn't seen in db

[@tobertcordless2491]

Wasn't that baby Goku scene anime only? Been a while since I read the manga

[@connergilby605]

@@tobertcordless2491 Just looked it up, turns out all the scenes with Goku as a baby were anime only, and the first time Toriyama actually showed his backstory was in Minus I think. I could be wrong, but the first thing I looked at said pretty much this.

[@IMZ44]

DB Retcons are really Akira Toriyama forgetting stuff.

[@Naruku2121]

Well that's part of it. On one hand he can forget things altogether(I.E Launch). Or he may forget something and then change it with mixed results.

[@IMZ44]

@@Naruku2121 true

[@ac6ut619]

Toriyama did not forget anything, all the interviews about Dragon Ball came after ten twenty years of the original manga..I don't blame him if he really forgot something .. considering that he did a lot Stuff after and before Dragon Ball

[@IMZ44]

@@ac6ut619 My friend it's a small joke on the matter. It's not a negative remake because. The series is full of different characters and stories. Akira didn't think DB series would become a mega-hit.

[@Naruku2121]

@@ac6ut619 Despite whatever he has forgot, it still has turned out pretty well apparently within his run, for some one who had to come up things for weekly material is quite well for it to fall into place for the most part.

[@Acceler8or]

Love these types of videos.

[@amuuyakanom4960]

Just because something isn't planned doesn't make it a retcon. A retcon is a contradiction.

[@donovandelaney3171]

There's also False Super Saiyan and Bulma not being a Z-Fighter when the concept artwork in the book shows her as one. It shows Bulma wearing Goku's training uniform and Bulma with pigtails.

[@donovandelaney3171]

This video reminds me of all those retcons in Ben 10. Ben and Gwen were originally going to be a couple. But they changed it to them being cousins. This also reminds of a retcon in Star Wars. They were originally going to make Padme a Jedi. But they changed their minds because they could not fit it into the story.

[@DQMaster777]

Technically they never explained exactly why they unfused with the earrings.
(In the manga panel they guess its Majin Buu's inner energy or some shit)
Edit: Yes I know they explained it in super, the point of my comment is to point out that this moment is NOT a retcon.

[@58jn89]

The Saiyan's should have won and kill Frieza and protect their own planet.
What if the Saiyan's survived and won against Frieza and his men and Gine which is bardock's wife and also Fasha become princesses like Saiyan Disney princess type in a big fat gypsy princess puffy wedding dresses for the grand ball and for for the wedding because they are Saiyan princesses like a Disney Princesse?
Do you guy's to see Fasha and Gine dressing up as princesses an a big fat gypsy princess puffy wedding dresses for the grand ball and for the wedding because they are Saiyan princesses like a Disney Princesse?
How do you guy's agree with that idea that Fasha and Gine dressing up as princesses?

[@dashingdreww1185]

In super they said there’s a time limit, it just so happened the time limit happens inside buu lol

[@falenas8165]

They could have just said that if the earrings broke you defuse but no they decided to massively nerf Vegito

[@powerjolt7215]

@@falenas8165 One of the biggest nerfs in Dragon Ball.. I'm mean the one hour isn't that bad, but adding "too much power = less time" is the most bs thing in Dragon Ball. Then they up and make ToP Goku seem stronger than SSB Vegito and post ToP base Gogeta stronger than ToP SSB Goku.

[@Geekdom101]

Come on bro, I literally explain what a retcon is at the start of the video. You're better than this.

[@mercmouth1]

I always thought that Planet Vegeta being destroyed by a meteor was just an "in anime" lie fed to the surviving Saiyans.
But I will say that in DBS Broly, Vegeta and Goku all of a sudden forgot that Planet Vegeta was destroyed by Freiza. WTF was that

[@juliandavidhoffer2022]

Ronny what do you mean they forgot?

[@halex107]

bruh Broly was stranded on Vampa by the time Freeza destroyed the planet, and Goku and Vegeta never forgot, hell it waas never even brought up to them in the film, all Freeza said when they landed on earth was that Broly and Paragus were from the annihilated world not mentioning how and told Paragus in space it was by a meteor to lie to him

[@legendsstar7630]

Goku forgetting it is normal let’s be honest but vegeta probably couldn’t care less I mean he said it himself in the frieza saga that he didn’t care about his father’s death also speaking of that tarble probably doesn’t know that planet vegeta got destroyed tarble got mentioned in super btw in the beerus arc in case you didn’t know

[@juliandavidhoffer2022]

Legends Star in Super it’s normal cause they made Goku a moron. But in real DB not really

[@jennyberger8229]

Julian David Hoffer oh like when goku didn’t go ssj3 against majin Vegeta because he didn’t want to hurt his feelings? That was a super intelligent decision on goku’s part!

[@Hoffanheim]

To be real i like the Storytelling of Oda better than Toriyamas😅 Oda knows how he wants to Start and Finish, Toriyama had to many detours because of this the retcons happen and some plotholes.

[@flocklinclock4733]

It's really impressive. Toriyama was a genius. He didn't start out by planning many histories, lore, and relationships like other mangas. He created stuff along the way, and he made it work.

[@TactileTherapy]

When Vegeta was talking about the Legendary Super Saiyan, he wasnt talking about Broly's version. He was talking about the original, first Super Saiyan - who could only maintain his power by staying in ape form. If it were anything else then the writers wouldve alluded back to that speech.

[@LittleAl016]

I am under the mindset that the tingly back thing was just one method, and one that the U7 Saiyans never really discovered. Even with Goten and Present Trunks considered. And it did come about in-universe (no pun intended) from Cabba describing the sensation to Caulifa, to which she then did her best to copy.

[@Naruku2121]

Well Goku basically confirmed that was a thing when talking with Caulifa. So...It is a U7 thing if you take that exchange seriously.

[@aspiknf]

Nah the tingly back thing is stupid.

[@aspiknf]

@@Naruku2121 I thought only the U6 Saiyans do that tingly back stuff? Anyway, I still do not like the tingly back stuff, it is cringy.

[@LittleAl016]

@@aspiknf That's your opinion.

[@moonraven6145]

I liked the addition of Android #16 being modelled after Gero's dead son, also explained why 16 appeared more peaceful yet had his mind set on destroying Goku.

[@joeybricks8401]

Dragonball is the best!

[@VahlTV]

Hell yeah

[@TheSinisterkelly]

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[@VahlTV]

@@TheSinisterkelly k dude

[@yurionedge2199]

You mean the original DB?

[@Gamerhobo420]

I’m honestly hoping we get a zalama reveal in the future. I think it’s likely with how power super Shenron is. That zalama could very easily be one of the top 5 most powerful being Whis mentions.

[@unmotivated115]

I was watching OG dragon ball and I noticed that when Metallitron scanned goku, it said he couldn't recognize it because he was an alien. Maybe he did have some idea

[@MeshTheSnake]

number 1 is actually crazy, amazing video

[@adambraun1990]

As a martial artist myself the “tingly back” explanation for turning SSJ does make sense...they just didn’t explain it very well in the series

[@Super2kking]

I blame alot of the retcons on characters not knowing the full story. Like when Roshi explains the Dragon balls, maybe that's the story he heard. Also when the gods talk about fusion with the ear rings, maybe they never tried to fuse with mortals before

[@flipzzilla4556]

The Ultimate Dragon Balls existence in GT and The Minus Energy being in the Dragon Balls, I'm just shinning some light on GT

[@vainqueurmukenyi3123]

Oh yeah, GT is AWESOME

[@ironoverheat465]

The minus energy is foreshadowed by Old Kaioshin's comment in Z that overusing the Dragon Balls is dangerous. edit: Or rather, the GT crew took that idea to create the concept of minus energy

[@flipzzilla4556]

@@ironoverheat465 it's hinted at by him just like how Piccolo being an alien is hinted at the 23rd budokai during his fight with Kami but, Elder Kaioshin never outright says theres Minus Energy in the balls making it a retcon

[@ironoverheat465]

@@flipzzilla4556 It's not a retcon. To be a retcon it would have to change something that's already been established otherwise. They added information that wasn't there previously (at least in the full concept, the principle was already there by Old Kaioshin), they didn't change anything, they added lore.

[@flipzzilla4556]

@@ironoverheat465 it is a retcon because throughout Dragon Balls entirety the dragon balls were never meant to have Minus energy but then all of a sudden they have Minus energy in GT that means it's a retcon

[@Super-chad]

Great analysis!..... *Brilliant!*

[@dialamx1]

I always just considered the "Tingly Back" explanation for Super Saiyan as being exclusive to the Universe Six Saiyan's biology.

[@vintagemonte]

Honestly that’s the only way to make that concept make sense.

[@Naruku2121]

Except for some reason Goku is aware of that method with one of his exchanges with Caulifa and basically validates it some how.

[@Reality-Distortion]

The fact that now we are supposed they split inside Buu by accident at that exact timing is only scratching the surface of the problem. If you read into Grand Kai's dialogue - Super's Potara thing is not even a retcon, it's a borderline plot hole. There is no way that he pulled out of his ass that information about entities transforming and possibly shortening their lifespan if he didn't have decent knowledge about mortals using it to fuse. Like right now, after watching Super, it's basically impossible for me to read those late Buu saga chapters and believe that he was just theorizing all of this.

[@stevesmith1383]

The sensu beans going from being plentiful and only filling you up with food for 10 days to becoming magic beans that instantly healed you.
and yeah, while the original beans were used in healing, that was more a "Goku eats the bean, gets full, and then sleeps and recovers his strength"
Plus no one ever mentions getting full when eating the beans when they turned to instant healing beans

[@daemonblackfyre3238]

So its official. Goku lost to Vegeta twice. He didnt even have SSJ3 at the time apparently.

[@Geekdom101]

Why are you acting like its official now? Its been this way since 1995.

[@haljordan3545]

Geekdom101 goku fans debate till this day 😂

[@daemonblackfyre3238]

@@Geekdom101 I meant this toward the people who keep saying Goku held back SSJ3 and let Vegeta win.

[@jadenkeith6257]

Didn't Goku already obtain SSJ3 by then, somewhere in the 7 year time gap while training in other world? I'm just confused because I remember it being mentioned a lot in the anime. Because I don't think he just achieved it within the few hours after he gained back consciousness from Vegeta knocking him out.

[@Xeno574]

@@jadenkeith6257 He's talking about how Goku technically lost to Vegeta fair and square. Because Toriyama hadn't thought up SSJ3. So when he did he made up an excuse that Goku held back because he didn't want to hurt Vegeta's ego.

[@adamwade6243]

1) Madōshi Bibidi not creating Kid Buu.
2) Son Goku being given an origin story similar to Superman.
3) Not killing off Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga.
4) Literally everyone and everything from Dragon Ball Super.
5) The drastic changes of Hell in Dragon Ball.
6) Giving the Potara a bullshit time-limit.
7) The respective existences of Hakaishin Beerus and Whis in Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods.
8) Changing the hair-color of Future Trunks.
9) Frieza becoming tens of times stronger from him using Tagoma as a living Dartboard for 4 months.
10) Changing the source of the stolen technology used by the Saiyans.

[@LordVader69420]

Oolong said it after the first time goku transformed into a great ape and then reverted back to normal, "what is he an alien, or something?" Maybe just a random thought or possibly some well thought out foreshadowing 🤔

[@ironmoemessiah20]

What about when we learned that Beerus instructed freiza to kill the saiyans

[@lazarsepticpie2292]

Suggested not instructed

[@lazarsepticpie2292]

Also I hate that retcon. They should've just stuck to the original which was that frieza was scared he would be defeated by the saiyans and there could be a ssj and he destroyed it

[@gamerplayer8882]

That was only in the super dub, not the Manga or the Japanese version or anything. They just added that to the dub for no reason.

[@lazarsepticpie2292]

@@gamerplayer8882 didnt he destroy it for the sole purpose of of being scared he would get defeated by a saiyan/ssj not because "instructed" or "forced him to"

[@gamerplayer8882]

@@lazarsepticpie2292 yes that is why

[@desertsandfly2277]

Just so you know. Bulma's hair was kept originally purple through the entire manga series. But in the anime, it started with blue. Then with this turquoise colour in Z and then back to blue in super.

[@penisnt]

I remember it was Toriyama’s idea to have the tingly back thing, director of the Broly movie said Toriyama wrote him some notes about the forms and SS had the tingly back as part of it.

[@youderpy2795]

*Day 47 of wanting an OnlyFans announcement from Geekdom*

[@MisterSavage777]

Underrated comment of the month

[@lightskinnedlarry728]

Day 107

[@burmecian123]

I have one that I think might count, but i was never sure. Its that super saiyan 2 wasn't actually a thing before the buu saga. When Gohan powered up after cell crushed 16s head, it was more treated like gohan finally unlocking his own true power. The power of super saiyan combined with the rage boosts he displayed throughout the series. It was something exclusive to gohan and not just a super-super saiyan that anyone could achieve. But this is just my experience with the English funimation dialogue from back in the day. And maybe the Japanese cartoon or even the manga was more clear about it.

[@clutch3ball239]

I agree with Goku being an alien is the biggest retcon. Two other retcons that stuck with me:
- Trunks suddenly mentions a Dr. Gero who Goku had let go, while this Dr. Gero was never before seen in Dragon Ball.
- Beerus turned out to be the one was ultimately responsible for planet Vegeta’s destruction as he ordered Frieza to do it.

[@SamsarasArt]

The most recent retcon is huge and is great. It adds a new context to the end of z and goku's actions make so much more sense. It doesn't contradict anything either. Say what you will about the Moro arc, (I personally love it) but the conclusion of it was awesome

[@patonnight]

Geekdom in one of your pre broly interview videos, it was said that the tingly back on the super saiyan form was a description provided by toriyama.

[@Geekdom101]

thanks for reminding me good sir

[@LexoG33]

Goten's nor Trunks' tails are ever mentioned. We can assume they were removed at birth, seeing as Bulma would know to do that and then of course be able to tell Chi-Chi when Goten was born. But the U6 Saiyans also do not have tails, and they are never mentioned. There has not been a single great Ape transformation since the Saiyan saga, not counting GT of course.

[@milesandrews6711]

Honestly it would be kind of interesting to see an ozaru back in dbs
It would've Been pretty cool in the TOP

[@TheSenjuShow]

Got 3 words for y’all, “I LOVE THIS COMPANYYYY”

[@mechajay3358]

These retcons, whether good or bad, can be major headaches to deal with.

[@IsthtDakoterKai]

I love the use of the Dokkan Battle card arts in this video!

[@matti.8465]

At this point I think a retcon to the "End of Z" is inevitably going to happen. It just doesn't work that well as an ending anymore.

[@simplysupreme1030]

They didn’t retcon it they just made it straight non-canon lol. It’s just what happens when they go into GT

[@amadorcortinas2749]

The potara is one that didn't sat right with me at first but it does make it more versatile!

[@RealLifeRyan]

I'm happy about your number 1. I always wonder what it was like back in the day for manga readers to find out Goku is an alien!

[@Y0G0FU]

The Bibidi/Babidi retcon can easily be "explained". Its just like how King Picollo is the Father of Picollo but Picollo is also the reincarnation of King Picollo :P Also the Bibidi not being the Creator of Majin Buu is also easy to "explain" Bibidi just said he constructed Majin Buu. Either he didnt understand where Buu came from or he lied to make himself look better :P

[@HellNaw98]

About the tingly back thing, something people usually fail to mention is that the U6 Saiyans are not the U7 Saiyans. I mean it’s obvious from their design and comparatively smaller size that they are at least a little biologically different. It’s possible the tingly back thing only applies to U6 Saiyans, seeing as U7 Saiyans never mention it even after it’s first brought up. This could also explain why they attain Super Saiyan easily, they could just have higher potential than U7 Saiyans when it comes to transformations and fighting power in general. It’s pretty clear that base U6 Saiyans are way more powerful than base U7 Saiyans were when planet Vegeta was still around. So it’s possible that this isn’t even a retcon, but just a thing that only applies to U6 Saiyans.

[@TetsuRiken]

That was what I was thinking it must be a universe 6 thing

[@shzammpatapon9865]

@@TetsuRiken nah, goku said it himself that it's the tingly back when caulifla ask him about ssj2

[@Naruku2121]

@@shzammpatapon9865 Yeah Goku basically verified that for some reason even though he never used that method from what we could tell in training Gohan. So it is U7 as well.

[@mr.hooligan7630]

I agree, that also could explain why Cabba was the only one to bring it up. Maybe it feels different to U6 Saiyans.

[@maganhassan2627]

@@Naruku2121 maybe cabba told him or vegeta told him again my head cannon to explain the in universe reason however for out universe it's probably a retcon

[@TheGuyWhoIsSitting]

I still think Frieza telling the survivors that a Meteor destroyed their planet makes sense.

[@mcginger9613]

This video was awesome! please do another like this

[@wutthabuck8772]

Wassup D another great video as always, would love to see more of these kinds of lists and maybe even the debunking screenrant videos again lol keep up the great work hope all is well

[@sontito7820]

I read somewhere that the Goku alien retcon was to give some Superman and american superhero elements to Dragon Ball. It makes sense because Goku became a superhero to the world and then the universe and now the multiverse.

[@donovandelaney3171]

There's also the Blue Shenron from the comic. Why was the Blue Shenron not in the show? Why is Shenron green in Dragon Ball?

[@sibusisomazibuko9936]

It’s nice to see toriyama improve and adapt as the series grows. Good stuff

[@cosmici2261]

Thank you Geekdom! You never fail to disappoint with Dragonball history no one is touching you when it comes to this.

[@theleechqueen]

I think Radditz's comment works because he couldn't have known planet Vegeta was destroyed by Frieza. None of the Saiyans knew. Vegeta only learned after Dodorio told him.

[@danielmedjedovic7068]

yeah doesnt seem like a retcon, of course Akira may have not come up with the idea yet but it works. Frieza and his henchmen kept the real secret about plane Vegeta's fate from the saiyans.

[@mercmouth1]

yeah i always assumed this was just a lie fed to the surviving saiyans just so that they dont rise up against freiza.

[@Superman00000]

Dragonball theroy: bibide, babide, buu😄

[@gibby8018]

Most characters names are a play on words

[@Superman00000]

gibby yea I know🙂

[@LowellLucasJr.]

My fave retcon: Frieza never trained til his resurrection. This annoyed many, but just surprised me.

[@RoGMasterCha0s]

Same, I really liked it and it makes sense.

[@paozu1152]

that's not a retcon

[@dialena4418]

Didnt he mention training on his fight with goku? Or was that a specific dub thing

[@afro4640]

@@dialena4418 I think he said something like, no one had ever injured him except for his father.

[@rockmorales]

Thats not a retcon. He never ever said he trained before in Z.

[@radithyasolahuddin3860]

8:29 I dont know why that planet explosion made me laugh

[@Kdar088]

I feel like the tingly back retcon could've gone way smoother if they still had the anger requirement to unlock it. Like spiderman shooting webs probably has somewhat realistic muscle movement that people can do, but we haven't been bitten by radioactive spiders yet

[@DSan-kl2yc]

Eh Vegeta did t.need anger..and Goten and trunks didn't either. The characters have used emotion for power ups or for rushing. DB doesn't do this as much as other series kinda ironically enough.
It's how baby Gohan was powerful but used anger to power up or instincts. It helps the process via a power up.
But where the energy goes is the tingly in the back. That's where the energy concentrates. Where it builds up.
It's like when Gohan taught videl to fly. He's just telling her where to focus the energy.

[@lancevance6346]

I remember Saiyans were potrayed as a race of actually brutal warriors and nightmares back in early Z. The fact that they changed the story around where they became this wholesome subservient group of slaves doesn't sit right with me. It takes away from Goku and makes him seem less special as perhaps the first saiyan who discarded his bloodlust and went against his nature. It was a good contrast. Now it's like...yea he's just a saiyan kid who landed on Earth. And him going against his brother makes it seem less impactful.

[@artofcujo]

Yeah but that's not really a retcon. They were still brutal savages who slaughtered people

[@YackAttack290]

Direcode Vincent Were they not always slaves? And are they not still brutal warriors? Vegeta, Raditz, and Napa were working for Frieza when they came to earth and planet Vegeta was already destroyed. Even after the fact of the Bardock backstory and them being slaves to king colds empire , they still killed all the natives of planet Vegetta. Goku is still only the way he is because he bumped his head as a kid, which was always the original story was it not? I’m not being facetious I’m genuinely asking.

[@lancevance6346]

@@YackAttack290 If you go back and watch the early potrayal of saiyans , they were pretty heartless all around with no remorse and cold blooded. There was basically no difference between them and Frieza. Broly movie made them out to be way more wholesome than they originally were like they're just another random civilization. Infact Goku's origin story itself was impacted by this change because then Raditz asking Goku about his mission on Earth that he was sent for makes no sense.And bumping his head and losing that natural, wild saiyan behaviour was even alluded to forever. But DBS Broly just made it a Man of Steel copycat with Bardock and Gine just sending him off.

[@rockmorales]

@@lancevance6346 No, wrong, because they were still savages even in the broly movie.

[@nsnsnns2183]

@@rockmorales No, they really were a lot less Savage and brutal in the Broly movie. King Vegeta literally got insulted in His own kingdom by paragus and just let paragus go with no consequences and let Broly live and just exiled him away. Compare this to the old Broly movie where King Vegeta tried to kill both paragus and Broly because Broly was a threat and was born super strong. We didn't even see the Saiyans kill anyone. The only Saiyan who killed someone was paragus.

[@HuyBui-uq4oj]

Love the dokkan artworks in the vid

[@PjBarnessutv]

What about the retcon of Dr. Gero, and the androids?
Awesome video homie!

[@cooldakota9695]

Regarding the "bad air" thing, Goku later notices that while Goten and Trunks were in separate pods, Buu had Gotenks's outfit, meaning they defused some time after being absorbed. I'm not sure if the original Japanese has any major differences, but Goku says that "Fusion is possible in here" and reprimands Vegeta shortly after for breaking the Potara. While we can look back on this and say that it means it was always timed, it feels more like Toriyama never giving us a straight answer and leaving it open for interpretation.

[@jayhoav2120]

def want a vid on plot holes now

[@dustinfocus]

Cool, thanks for the vid. . . Hey next go at retcons could you try DB's most obscure retcons; thatd be fun

[@KellyKeres]

I never thought of Goku not going ssj3 against Vegeta as a retcon, I mean it did take him 5 minutes of powering up to get there and i don't think Vegeta in his Majin state would let him do that.

[@bitterthenu7278]

My least favorite is the entire existence of super. The entire point of the buu saga was to show that our heroes have become stronger than the gods themselves and could even defeat the ancient terror of the universe. But lol nope cat dude op and now fat bbw shit stain can fight with goku and vegeta

[@gatdammit]

I'm still shaky on the definition of 'retcon' but I absolutely and wholeheartedly agree that the fact that Goku ended up being an alien changed the course of the series. I read this manga in the 80s and it wasn't in English. And the story seemed like a fantasy cartoon with a world full of weird animals and dinosaurs, animals that talk, mystical objects, magic, etc. It was fairly obvious to everyone back then, that Goku was inspired by Chinese lore. I mean his name, the staff, the cloud riding, the tail was all there and it Dragon Ball seemed like a reimagining the monkey king's adventures. So it definitely felt more fantasy cartoon than anything else. So when they went SciFi on us, we were like "whaaaaat?" The most defining moment for me when I was reading these was when Radditz hit Kuririn (Krillin) with his TAIL! Dun dun duuuuuuh!

[@jarellemason7291]

What about the retcon of how Goku didnt actually kill Frieza even though we saw him kill Frieza. It was changed and he was alive and floating around space.

[@yourhighness927]

What about the part in dbs where vegeta meet beerus when he was like 8 then in the broly movie vegeta was just a baby

[@liamfowell8661]

do a video on the legendary supersaiyans!

[@SoundWave3214]

11:00 There planet being destroyed by meteorite was just a lie told to them wasn't it? So technically not a retcon.

[@swiggityswooty1611]

Yes, they were lied to, but geekdom said that was the meteor was the original idea, before frieza was even a thing. So frieza got retconned to being the one who blew it up.

[@bluejayy2054]

Weird thing about that is that you would think the Saiyans would have the technology or strong enough fighters to blow up the meteor before it reaches Planet Vegeta.

[@zwarrior28]

I never liked the 1 hour Potara Fusion retcon. I was actually perfectly content with believing the real reason Vegito separated was because of Buu's innards.

[@klissattack]

Adding to the destruction of Planet Vegeta. What about the fact that Beerus supposedly told Frieza to destroy it, yet the Broly movie shows Frieza acting on his own.

[@l.jthehedgecat9677]

Hope everyone makes it to Ret Con this year

[@Lostangel1000]

Nice thing is with some retcons, it makes total sense why; Like you can believe Radtz was told it was a Metor by Frieza, and that Radtz not look deeper then that.

[@friezasama91_66]

@geekdom101 as far as the scouters are concerned, i know in the English version of the movie Frieza displayed the scouters saying “these are upgraded models that are technically advanced compared to the ones you (the Sayains) have been using already

[@Maikigai]

Transformations... the ultimate ongoing Retcons.

[@garontime2033]

In the English version at least of DBZ, Gotenks tells Piccolo he tell him later how he figures out how to go super saiyan 3.
I kinda looked at the tingly back feeling for super saiyan being a kind of explanation connected to that moment.

[@zombieed_0498]

I'm so confused why super is considered cannon and GT is not. It really sounds like Toriyama really didn't have a lot to do with super.

[@Raziel-fj6zi]

I'm a little surprised to didn't go over zen Kai boost. I'm waiting for the retcon of Bulma is a tuffle and that's why she's smart

[@totallynormalguy7345]

Are we not gonna talk about the biggest retcon? Bardocks legendary headband/toras armband