Some of the strongest people work out in their garage, basement, or backyard. Rob is one of those guys who you can never discount his strength, skill, and well-prepared he may be prepared to crush someone on an arm wrestling table.
I really enjoy watching your videos….for a little while already. And I wanted but didn’t know how or what to comment. But this morning I realised: It gives me a little bit of hope☝🏻…☺️actually. Not that I haven’t any, but why not having some more.
also, another blue collar armwrestling idea you should try, is to grab a 4x4(spruce lumber K/D) and see how many screws you can screw in each hand. grip/supination test. Screw in bothways for ultimate symmetry @@RobVigeantRVJ
Just wanted to say happy turkey day to u and yours. And to let you know how much i enjoy seeing you on with Travis. You guys are magic together. My favorite podcast ever was .. In the presance of greatness.. When u and devon and Travis with engin and Neil.. The best shows ever.
I’m lifetime natty. 35 years old been training for about 15 years and high reps for me get great results but I still have to lift heavy as well. It’s the combination that gets you where you need to be.
@jdj2022 I'm 42 been lifting since 16, natural. I've done basically everything. In the end it comes down to each individuals muscle type. Through the years I've been up and down in size but I've always been the biggest lifting heavy
@@staygold902yeah. I’m not arguing against heavy lifting, I lift heavy. I do think it is necessary if you want to be big and strong. I’m just saying that high reps can also do a lot. I take somewhat of a Louie Simmons approach where I do a lot of heavy triples and singles and then a lot of volume that is very high rep. I hardly go in the 5-10 rep range I’m usually either very heavy or fairly light. I also agree every person is different. To think you can do no heavy lifting as a natural and get huge is definitely a lie. Also I’m an advanced lifter and as I’m sure you know the stronger you get the more taxing heavy lifts are. Base building is definitely done in the 5 rep and under heavy range. I think as you get more advanced it changes a little due to how much heavy volume you can handle.
Totally agree with the approach and I don’t think I could do it any other way. But I can’t seem to keep all my tendons healthy. Right now my left pronator and my right brachioradialis are strained and don’t seem to be getting better. If I rest it, they don’t seem to get all the way better and the overall strength loss makes me nuts. I’m trying to keep working using hand/wrist positions that avoid pain and keep weight a little lower if I can’t avoid the pain areas. Wondering what you think about that approach and how you’ve handled similar situations?
What are your thoughts on consistency over intensity? Being ready always for war. If you go hard, and that day you need to perform, will you be able to if you already went heavy that day or the day before?
If you ask the PHD's and scientists in the exercise field what works, most of the time, they will tell you, "It depends." Unless they are trying to sell you something, in which case they'll say something dogmatic. While the scientific consensus does have general principles to follow as a great starting point, training needs to be modified for the individual. Some people respond well to lower volume and higher intensity. Others respond better to higher volume and slightly lower intensity. Even different parts of your body can respond differently. Basically, if it works, it works.
Mentzer never won the Olympia, but arguably he should have won in 1980. Hard training with heavyish weights yields the best results, but as you get older its harder to recover from. Usually guys who train heavy all the time start falling apart between age 40 and 50 so my advice is to listen to your body and mix in lighter/easier training days as needed.
BTW Rob do you have a brother who lifts? I vaguely remember on the forums back in the day people talking about the Vigeant brothers showing up to grip contests and doing very well
I thought he win in 1980 ? He had an incredible physique and is the best at articulating why to do something I’ve heard in the industry… so he immediately grabbed my attention. I respect the age curve… though I’m in denial 🙄
I really agree with your theory about the natural body needing to be pushed hard in order to change, Rob. I never took PEDs and don't plan to, and for me it's exactly the same. I need to dial the how far I can go so that I don't get injured, but inside that threshold of not getting injured, I push every time very close to my limit. Otherwise my body won't really respond to evolve, to leave that inertia state.
Everybody is different. Some people respond better to some types of training than others. Like running is a good exercise for some people while for others it will just destroy their knees. Just look at the differences in our body’s. Some guys are 5 foot 5 200lbs while others are 6 foot 5 200 lbs. What exercises are best will be different for each person.
You should be on mind pump! It’s a big fitness podcast. Not only should you be on the podcast but you and them should create a program for armwrestlers.
Been back into lifting about 2.5 years now and hit a bit of a plateau over the summer. Was working in the 8-12 range. Dropped down to the 4-6 range and upped the weights and definitely am past the plateau at this point. Definitely something to lower/heavier for raw power. Keep on keepin' on Big Rob! Looking forward to your upcoming matches!
I'm 5'9'' and 300 lbs, cardio is my weak suit...so I am stuck in between weight classes. Too short and not experienced enough to pull my own weight guys and too strong for the 165-225 class. Very hard to lose weight since running/aerobic walking is hard on the knees. But I am happy with even being able to stand up and grip up considering I have fibromyalgia and blood pressure issues. Thanks for your insight into this..keep these videos up Rob. We're the same age I'll be 44 in December, what about you?
I just want to throw out there that a lot of the "nagging" injuries comes from being unbalanced. Example being training all wrist flexion and not training the revere wrist curl and reverse curls. At least in my experience when I've been "injured" it was from lack of being balanced
When it comes to diet and training it's my belief that people's bodies respond differently and there is no one size fits all solutions. Kind of off topic, but why is it that Armwrestling specialist have such a jacked up hand position when resting. Devon literally has meat claws with his hands curled in and I find it a bit disturbing to look at. Thanks for all the great tips, keep up the good work
I think it’s putting so much focus on flexion of the forearm and wrist that causes imbalances and shortening of connective tissue… just a guess based on what I read.
Different answers ranging from injury to habit. But, I've found alot of people have highly developed and powerful flexors, and their extensors are either less developed or are just underutilized. Then, you could add in the biomechanics of the wrist and hand. It's much more natural for our wrist to curl inwards than outwards (especially under load).
@@RobVigeantRVJ Mike had a phenomenal physique but he would be slightly above average at his weight class in strength sport. The Bulgarian and Russians nearly perfected train for power. Louie Simmons of west side barbel brought many of these training techniques to a small gym in Ohio and broke more world records then any gym in the world. If you wanna be strong I would suggest applying these techniques of power.
@@tomrhadigan3085 I’ve studied some of Louie Simmons, I’ll look further. I know Mike was a bodybuilder, but it’s more his contrasting theories and understanding of the body that grabbed me. There might be some merit even in strength world… I’d have to play with it and see what makes sense and provides fruit. Appreciate the input 🍻
@@RobVigeantRVJ Matt Wenning was a lifter out of west side that went and got a masters from Ohio state. Look into his strength techniques it’s less barbaric then Louie’s old school ways.
"We can rebuild him. We have the technology. We can make him better than he was. Better, stronger, faster." 😂😂 Glad you mentioned Mentzer, his entire philosophy contradicts most the fitness industry. There's something to be said about volume though. 🤷♂🤷♂
I see you are upset about my stance. I’m not insecure that you use… I just have my thoughts on it and the impacts on sports… Yes… natural training is VERY different…, is what it is
90% of studies done in modern era says going failure and especially beyond failure is the worst enemy of strength. Builds great muscle, yes, just like dorian yates did, but to build strength not so much.
Rob I’d like to see you win an arm wrestling match.If you want to be prevalent in the sport ,just take a match and show up. We don’t believe you will show for the Brandon Allen match. I hope you are not coming off the couch.Practice what you preach.
As a Canadian dad, I'm just getting into the sport, I find you're the Pro that I can relate to the best. Love it! Glad you're back making vids.
Appreciate it
Makes sense, there aren’t many inspirational Canadians. Jk, Ian Carnegie is pretty funny.
Rob really is that dad who works out in the garage then comes to the biggest competition around
Some of the strongest people work out in their garage, basement, or backyard.
Rob is one of those guys who you can never discount his strength, skill, and well-prepared he may be prepared to crush someone on an arm wrestling table.
Good stuff! I've been using Mike Mentzers approach in my training the last couple years. 💪
Quality of ur videos last few months is through the roof
Thank you
I really enjoy watching your videos….for a little while already. And I wanted but didn’t know how or what to comment. But this morning I realised: It gives me a little bit of hope☝🏻…☺️actually. Not that I haven’t any, but why not having some more.
👊🏻👍🏻💪🏻
PLZ continue with the blue collar lifts series! talk about rice bucket workouts!
Yes 👍🏻
also, another blue collar armwrestling idea you should try, is to grab a 4x4(spruce lumber K/D) and see how many screws you can screw in each hand. grip/supination test. Screw in bothways for ultimate symmetry @@RobVigeantRVJ
I like this… I’ll try !!
Just wanted to say happy turkey day to u and yours. And to let you know how much i enjoy seeing you on with Travis. You guys are magic together. My favorite podcast ever was .. In the presance of greatness.. When u and devon and Travis with engin and Neil.. The best shows ever.
yup. same as u here dude. go hard always and natty...buuut when that sickness hits me. it BLAST me! ha! enjoying the content
Agree so much with this approach
👊🏻💪🏻🍻
As far as mentzer goes, he is the only person to get a perfect score that I know of. That is what makes him so noteworthy.
Fluff and pump works if your on gear but i also believe heavy is the route to go natural
I’m lifetime natty. 35 years old been training for about 15 years and high reps for me get great results but I still have to lift heavy as well. It’s the combination that gets you where you need to be.
@jdj2022 I'm 42 been lifting since 16, natural. I've done basically everything. In the end it comes down to each individuals muscle type. Through the years I've been up and down in size but I've always been the biggest lifting heavy
@@staygold902yeah. I’m not arguing against heavy lifting, I lift heavy. I do think it is necessary if you want to be big and strong. I’m just saying that high reps can also do a lot. I take somewhat of a Louie Simmons approach where I do a lot of heavy triples and singles and then a lot of volume that is very high rep. I hardly go in the 5-10 rep range I’m usually either very heavy or fairly light. I also agree every person is different. To think you can do no heavy lifting as a natural and get huge is definitely a lie.
Also I’m an advanced lifter and as I’m sure you know the stronger you get the more taxing heavy lifts are. Base building is definitely done in the 5 rep and under heavy range. I think as you get more advanced it changes a little due to how much heavy volume you can handle.
Love it bud
Totally agree with the approach and I don’t think I could do it any other way. But I can’t seem to keep all my tendons healthy. Right now my left pronator and my right brachioradialis are strained and don’t seem to be getting better. If I rest it, they don’t seem to get all the way better and the overall strength loss makes me nuts. I’m trying to keep working using hand/wrist positions that avoid pain and keep weight a little lower if I can’t avoid the pain areas. Wondering what you think about that approach and how you’ve handled similar situations?
What are your thoughts on consistency over intensity? Being ready always for war. If you go hard, and that day you need to perform, will you be able to if you already went heavy that day or the day before?
I’m always shifting my thoughts based on what feels right.
If you ask the PHD's and scientists in the exercise field what works, most of the time, they will tell you, "It depends." Unless they are trying to sell you something, in which case they'll say something dogmatic.
While the scientific consensus does have general principles to follow as a great starting point, training needs to be modified for the individual.
Some people respond well to lower volume and higher intensity. Others respond better to higher volume and slightly lower intensity.
Even different parts of your body can respond differently.
Basically, if it works, it works.
Mentzer never won the Olympia, but arguably he should have won in 1980. Hard training with heavyish weights yields the best results, but as you get older its harder to recover from. Usually guys who train heavy all the time start falling apart between age 40 and 50 so my advice is to listen to your body and mix in lighter/easier training days as needed.
BTW Rob do you have a brother who lifts? I vaguely remember on the forums back in the day people talking about the Vigeant brothers showing up to grip contests and doing very well
I thought he win in 1980 ?
He had an incredible physique and is the best at articulating why to do something I’ve heard in the industry… so he immediately grabbed my attention.
I respect the age curve… though I’m in denial 🙄
I really agree with your theory about the natural body needing to be pushed hard in order to change, Rob. I never took PEDs and don't plan to, and for me it's exactly the same. I need to dial the how far I can go so that I don't get injured, but inside that threshold of not getting injured, I push every time very close to my limit. Otherwise my body won't really respond to evolve, to leave that inertia state.
👊🏻nice
Great video
👊🏻props my dude
Your a personality you should take an advantage of that you have a huge potential on the media aspect
I appreciate this, I’m trying little by little
@@RobVigeantRVJ huge fan from the middle East
Thanks buddy 👊🏻💪🏻
Everybody is different. Some people respond better to some types of training than others. Like running is a good exercise for some people while for others it will just destroy their knees. Just look at the differences in our body’s. Some guys are 5 foot 5 200lbs while others are 6 foot 5 200 lbs. What exercises are best will be different for each person.
Truth🍻
very true.
You should be on mind pump! It’s a big fitness podcast. Not only should you be on the podcast but you and them should create a program for armwrestlers.
I’ve requested them reach out to you before. But I’ll ask again
That’s cool, appreciate it
TH-cam algorithm boosting comment 💪 ... "do u even lift bro?"
Just remember a HIT rep and set doesn’t look anything like a typical set. It’s much harder.
Yeah buddy !
Mentzer had gotten his training philosophy from Arthur Jones
Been back into lifting about 2.5 years now and hit a bit of a plateau over the summer. Was working in the 8-12 range. Dropped down to the 4-6 range and upped the weights and definitely am past the plateau at this point. Definitely something to lower/heavier for raw power. Keep on keepin' on Big Rob! Looking forward to your upcoming matches!
Hell yeah buddy !
I'm 5'9'' and 300 lbs, cardio is my weak suit...so I am stuck in between weight classes. Too short and not experienced enough to pull my own weight guys and too strong for the 165-225 class. Very hard to lose weight since running/aerobic walking is hard on the knees. But I am happy with even being able to stand up and grip up considering I have fibromyalgia and blood pressure issues. Thanks for your insight into this..keep these videos up Rob. We're the same age I'll be 44 in December, what about you?
I’ll be 44 in July.. so you got me by a few, but cheers buddy 🍻
I like it feel lot similar
I just want to throw out there that a lot of the "nagging" injuries comes from being unbalanced. Example being training all wrist flexion and not training the revere wrist curl and reverse curls. At least in my experience when I've been "injured" it was from lack of being balanced
We forget trying to get so strong in certain areas that we need to strengthen the other side. At least this is the trap I've fell in
Agreed.
Balance is way overlooked.
Currently injured in my wrist thumb tendon at top of wrist. Hurts like hell! Trying to do what you’re saying by less gripping and more extending
@@AkitaMetal it don't happen over night, but give it a little time
@@ryanbullbelanger1371 I’ve had it ages and get flare ups. But need to do some exercise or something to stop it lol
How often on average do you train Rob?
It’s been not too much for a while, but shooting for 3 -4 good gym days and a table time day… this is the goal
Hey Rob do you use rings in your traoning? They're super tough without a gymnast background I've found.
I do use rings… they are very challenging
What about this idea .. Travis vs RVJ comeback super match ... ?
When it comes to diet and training it's my belief that people's bodies respond differently and there is no one size fits all solutions. Kind of off topic, but why is it that Armwrestling specialist have such a jacked up hand position when resting. Devon literally has meat claws with his hands curled in and I find it a bit disturbing to look at. Thanks for all the great tips, keep up the good work
I think it’s putting so much focus on flexion of the forearm and wrist that causes imbalances and shortening of connective tissue… just a guess based on what I read.
Different answers ranging from injury to habit. But, I've found alot of people have highly developed and powerful flexors, and their extensors are either less developed or are just underutilized. Then, you could add in the biomechanics of the wrist and hand. It's much more natural for our wrist to curl inwards than outwards (especially under load).
RVJ is a pretty good arm wrestler for a comedian.
Hey rob when you gonna go to fitzys?
Hopefully after thanksgiving
Mike mitzer broke how many strength World records?
Care to elaborate ?
@@RobVigeantRVJ Mike had a phenomenal physique but he would be slightly above average at his weight class in strength sport.
The Bulgarian and Russians nearly perfected train for power. Louie Simmons of west side barbel brought many of these training techniques to a small gym in Ohio and broke more world records then any gym in the world. If you wanna be strong I would suggest applying these techniques of power.
@@tomrhadigan3085 I’ve studied some of Louie Simmons, I’ll look further.
I know Mike was a bodybuilder, but it’s more his contrasting theories and understanding of the body that grabbed me.
There might be some merit even in strength world…
I’d have to play with it and see what makes sense and provides fruit.
Appreciate the input 🍻
@@RobVigeantRVJ Matt Wenning was a lifter out of west side that went and got a masters from Ohio state. Look into his strength techniques it’s less barbaric then Louie’s old school ways.
@@tomrhadigan3085 actually, I found his channel a while back, he is very educated and has GREAT content.
"We can rebuild him. We have the technology. We can make him better than he was. Better, stronger, faster."
😂😂 Glad you mentioned Mentzer, his entire philosophy contradicts most the fitness industry. There's something to be said about volume though. 🤷♂🤷♂
Sounds like a training program for someone on PEDs
Or anyone
Did you take the clot shot Rob ?
In the beginning, then a booster … no booster in over a year
@@RobVigeantRVJ good to hear you no longer take it brother.
“As a natural…”
I see you are upset about my stance.
I’m not insecure that you use… I just have my thoughts on it and the impacts on sports…
Yes… natural training is VERY different…, is what it is
@@RobVigeantRVJ I’m just saying I can relate… I’m natural too…
@@brandonallenfilthypower 👊🏻👊🏻chicken and rice brooooo
@@RobVigeantRVJ steak and potatoes (test and Deca)🤭
Do your thing dude
Training approach in general must include a lot of steroids
For most
90% of studies done in modern era says going failure and especially beyond failure is the worst enemy of strength. Builds great muscle, yes, just like dorian yates did, but to build strength not so much.
Perhaps, maybe I’m doing it wrong, but I’ve gained good strength like this… I dunno.
Rob I’d like to see you win an arm wrestling match.If you want to be prevalent in the sport ,just take a match and show up. We don’t believe you will show for the Brandon Allen match. I hope you are not coming off the couch.Practice what you preach.
Lordy.
Troll level amateur status
@@RobVigeantRVJ just saying
@@Rage704 just sayin nonsense.
Really it makes no sense
Great video