Extinguish Electric Vehicle Fires
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- We delve into the crucial topic of electric vehicle fire safety and explore the most effective tactics for extinguishing such fires. Contrary to conventional methods, we shed light on the advantages of allowing an electric vehicle to burn to achieve maximum efficiency.
UL Fire Safety Research Institute: fsri.org/research/fire-safety...
Thank you for the information. Very helpful. Sounds very similar to abandoned buildings: protect exposures, protect people and environment, then let it burn itself out.
Wow!!! I am a Firefighter in Jamaica n i most say that this is the best EV firefighting video on TH-cam!! Trust me wen i say this cuz i have watched tons
Was on a scene a while back while a tesla was burning. Thing reignited 7 times in about 2 hours before it was finally put out once and for all.
Firefighters did hook up a winch from their engine and pull it out from underneath the trees to the middle of the intersection. Was cool to see.
great educational video , greetings from a Romanian first responder . waiting for more videos . cheers
I live in an area where vehicle ferrys are a necessity. The crews on these ferrys are literally terrified that an electric vehicle fire might happen. Cars packed like sardines and no real way to put it out. Scary stuff
The plus side. They shouldn't be charging, and the risk of damage is low.
@StacheD Training So do these fires happen mostly during the charging mode? Thanks for replying 🙂
@braddeptford1969 Unfortunately, we don't have concrete data in this area. Charging is a major failure mode.
@StacheD Training thanks for the info and your vid was really good 👍
It's already happened on multiple vessels
Thanks so much for direct clear information without all the bluster that goes with so many you tube videos. First responders worldwide need a damn good solution to battery fires asap. Is there any kind of reagent that would neutralize the lithium? How to get it into the cells though? It's a tough one for sure. Like some other comments on your channel the idea of a port on the battery packs to inject a fire retardant seems like a good method. How to plug into the port on a fire ball though? Eeeek. God bless you and yours mate.
I am a tow operator and have only once been called to remove a car from a house fire. It was one of my more bizarre calls. It was next to the house about 4' from the wall. House was fully involved. I was not given breathing apparatus which in hindsight was pretty weird. Cops yelling at bystanders about toxic smoke and here's my dumbass next to the house getting lungfulls of it
That is an unfortunate situation. The firefighters on scene should have hooked the vehicle.
@@StacheDTraining I don't think any of the trucks have winches. It was an old ford galaxy I honestly think they were just trying to save it cause the guy lost everything. We have picked up many burnt cars next to burnt houses after the fact. Oh well I smoke cigarettes anyway so probably no worse than that
Take care of your health. Tow Truck business is hazardous. ❤
@@boedayious4993 thanks! Yeah I watch by butt out there. Nobody is paying attention. Used to work with a guy who towed for 15 years, and then changed jobs to driving a rolloff garbage truck. He ended up getting killed by a freak accident doing a job that was statistically safer. Everyone needs to be careful no matter what they do.
@@juliogonzo2718 Yes. No matter what -- Watch out for getting hurt. The insurance money can not stop the pain or loss of mobility
Great content, keep it up!
I guarantee when you watch the video at time frame 12:54 Sadie is gonna make you smile no matter how up or down you are.
fascinating thank you.
In many European countries it is becoming normal to have a 20+ foot container full of water ready on a truck with a crane. They drive to battery car burn. take the car with the crane and put it in the container and close the lid and drive again, put the container in a safe place for 14 days at least. they have several containers ready. so that the cars can stand for 14 days before being opened. and at the same time be ready for more battery car fires
Sometimes, I do wonder if these battery packs should actually have some mechanism to eject or drop on the floor in order to be quickly isolated from the vehicle... Then I remember that could be used to steal battery packs. 🤦♂️
It's only a matter of time before there is a serious EV fire in a tunnel, perhaps the Engish Channel tunnel? That's not going to end well...
Yes the famous tunnel fire between Italy and Switzerland. Smoke killed most of the people. The lighting and ventilation has been updated But your thought is a good one. Tunnels would turn into a blast furnace. Vehicle fire on 5 FWY in tunnel that damaged cement on ceiling of tunnel.
If manufactures had to design systems into the battery to allow them to be put out, what would work best? some kind of valve and piping system that you can connect into? or a built in fire suppression system?
Renault, a French automotive company, designed a port specifically for firefighters to flood the battery. I currently have a fire department connection to the battery patent pending. In a future video, I'll discuss this issue in detail.
@@StacheDTrainingAlso the Honda ZR-V (apparently); manufacturers are waking up to the need to allow controlled access. (Tesla filling the pack with expanding foam, ...sheesh!)
I know from dealing with RC car size lipo fires, they are not a joke! Once one cell goes, the heat from that cell will set the next one off, and so on. Dousing the battery in water is less about extinguishing the fire, and more about cooling the cells to stop the reaction, as I understand.
It's only a temporary stop, the other cells are already damaged.
@@ffjsb Fair enough! I know in my case I just let the pack burn itself out but this was a tiny 2-3 cell Lipo no bigger than a can of Coke at the most!
@@MakeItWithCalvin Yeah, that's a lot easier to do with something that small.
@@ffjsb not to mention they go out pretty fast and unless you got a ton of flammable around, it's fine.
Thank You !!!! Wrecking Yards. Scrap yards that have stored tanks of Gasoline. Motor oil and other vehicles. The electric vehicles WVHAT !!! Kind of suggestions would your group have. Other viewer too. Forgot any tips for the rag tag fleet of company and scavenger 1099 contract tow trucks dragging electric vehicles into our or any of the yards.
I plan to do a video that focuses on information for tow operators.
@@StacheDTraining good. This is much needed advice for tow yards and wrecking yards. Another issue came up on the news. ( it is like WACK A MOLE ). Solar power battery storage - from used recycled vehicle batteries. Battery storage room usually basement. The company was selling power banks in Florida ( prone to flooding). You can see what is coming. Garage or basement full of 5 to 10 old car batteries. -- MY OPINION -- old car battlers from wrecked vehicles should’ve fully recycled and remade into new safer batteries.
I find it funny that these exact discussions happened over 100 years ago when the first gas cars came out. Some communities tried to ban gas stations because they were afraid that they would blow up.
So you must be well over 100 years old.
What about smoke danger whilst letting it burn out?
There are a lot of concerns for any methods. If you let it burn, you have a more complete combustion of the gasses that are being given off. If you don't let it burn, there are more un-burnt products of combustion that could be harmful. If you put lots of water on it, you could be introducing contaminants into the waterways. If you are on city water, chlorine is one of those contaminants. There is still a lot of data that needs to be collected on the topic. Hopefully trials with UL Fire Safety Research Institute will help answer many of the questions.
Would like to see info on that. When available.
Quite a few crews in Europe are adopting ultra high pressure cutting lances like the Murer or cobra kit that seem effective on certain types of EV fire.
This really depends on the design of the battery. See this video for more details: th-cam.com/video/qgP7KkDesBo/w-d-xo.html
@@StacheDTraining Watched the video and very good explanations. How about container submergence tanks. Bulky and expensive but perhaps a viable approach in some situations?
@Anolbea I'm working on the container video this week. Stand by!
@@AnolbeaHere is the video on that topic: th-cam.com/video/CVUAzFzKhw8/w-d-xo.html
@@Anolbea California has 3 or 4 cars that have been sitting in tanks for 2 years, because all that water is now hazardous waste, and CalDOT won't let them transport it...
The darn things are like those trick birthday candles! The only other option is to push it into a swimming pool.
I talk about submersion in this video: th-cam.com/video/CVUAzFzKhw8/w-d-xo.html
Why not develope a coolant system that uses a plastic piping material that melts and fills the battery compartment with the coolant when it reaches a certain temp? a little more weight would be added for a larger coolant tank. I dont know, I dont build cars. Just a thought.
Some are built this way (not for this reason). Unfortunately, there would be no way to carry the amount of coolant required for this purpose.
Would you still do this in an underground garage?
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Law makers need to push to phase out the chemistry that causes these runaway battery fires. There are next generation chemistry that's starting to be produced the way the current lithium tech phased out those NiCad and NmIH batteries which were terrible for power tools such as those 1990s drills you had to 100 percent discharge due to battery "memory".
No only will the cars not keep on burning for hours but we'll have higher capacity & charge rates for our power tools. I seen where somebody used cheap harbor freight zaw zaw blades to trench their back yard for wiring.animal fences, it would be nice if we could quick charge those power tools.
The market is working towards safer battery chemistry. I'm optimistic that the risk of thermal runaway will go away eventually, however, when it does go away we will still have a lot of legacy products on the road for a number of years.
A fire crew rolling up scene on a battery fire will have to have a data base to help them know what kind of materials are burning. Battery chemical and structure type. To help them fight these fires.
Two questions:
If an electric car battery does not need oxygen, why don't underwater burning cars or buried burning cars burn out in 1-2 hours the same as cars left to burn out on the road?
If the fire appears out, is there any chemical or structural solution that will reduce or eliminate the possible of the runaway heat starting a fire later?
There are a lot of factors. If the battery box does fill up with water, it will stop the cascading thermal runaway. That means it should not allow other cells inside the box to burn. However, now you have a damaged box. You also have damaged water soaked cells. Once the vehicle is removed from the water it is possible for the thermal runaway to start again. It really depends on the amount of stranded energy (if any) in the cells.
@@StacheDTraining Thanks for making that so clear, StacheD
Thought water cut through everything…. Can a high pressure water stream cut through fireproof material and take out ev fire?
The kind of pressures used in fabrication require some heavy duty equipment - its not exactly portable. What has been tried are spikes that penetrate the battery pack and allow "normal" high pressure water in: HOWEVER, battery packs are often segmented (and Tesla ones can be filled with foam), so once the water gets inside, it may not get to the cells that are actually causing the problem. Then there is the additional risk that penetrating the pack can cause additional faults that lead to other parts of the pack failing and exacerbating the problem. The engineering to solve the problem is going to come from a combination of vehicle/motive system design engineers, chemical battery technology changes, and first responder engagement, rather than just some engineers attempting to design a solution to the symptom.
Why do you use water for something like this but in my workplace training for fire extinguishers, electric fires are to be dealt with with foam?
This video explains why we don't use foam.th-cam.com/video/qgP7KkDesBo/w-d-xo.html
Lmfao...this reminds me of when your cellphone would just burst into flames..
Fire blanket to smother it.
I cover fire blankets in this video: th-cam.com/video/qgP7KkDesBo/w-d-xo.html
I am currently researching the possibility of fire blankets for suppressing EV fires for my department. Would placing a blanket over the EV to reduce smoke and flame while letting it burn out be a viable option? Or would this have the same effect as cooling with water and just drag the entire process out longer?
A fire blanket will not suppress an EV fire. I talk about blankets, as well as other methods in this video: th-cam.com/video/qgP7KkDesBo/w-d-xo.html
The austria version of th AAA has a quarantine place for damaged EVs.
This is necessary everywhere. In a future video I plan to discuss post incident considerations, as well as critical information for tow operators.
nothing mentioned about the toxic fumes let out while "letting it burn". how about make them safer first before they hit the public.
Either all those gasses are released in an hour or the same amount over 4 hours. Plus, if you're trying to extinguish the fire, you have a lot of unburned products of combustion. That could be the worst situation. It's an area that needs further research. Also, like any fire scene, results may vary. I will be doing a future video on the gasses released.
@@StacheDTraining appreciate the response. looking forward to watching it. stay safe
Electrical fire should be extinguished with that new Sonic extinguisher don't know if you've heard about that the audio frequency that they can throw it a fire that puts it out that would make sense because of the likelihood that it would reignite if you just throw water on it or make it worse
Like a mattress full of reactive chemicals.
Why isnt foam being used? Is it because of the environmental factors?
Foam is ineffective. See: th-cam.com/video/qgP7KkDesBo/w-d-xo.html
So what happens in a multistory carpark?
The water deluge system in these is designed for a different type of fire (ICE cars).
Do you sit back and let the whole structure burn down?
I would not be happy personally to park anywhere near an EV.
It would be extraordinarily unusual for a lithium battery to just ignite at random while parked doing nothing. They usually burn up when they're being charged, discharged too fast or if the battery is pierced by a physical impact. So I think carpark fires are not a big deal unless there are chargers for the parked cars.
You are correct, the buildings suppression system is not designed for an EV. That is a situation where the fire department will need to flow a LOT of water to protect exposures.
@@nerd1000ify multi-story parks will soon be full of fast chargers, all bets off on how soon the first inferno will be.
@@StacheDTraining Do the planning rules need to change so charging can't be done in these facilities?
wonder if there was some way to pump co2 into the battery not that it would smother it but if co2 would cool it
i had many friends that were ff but i moved and they retired before ev junk . as far as public get the news tell the real story
🎵 The batt, the batt, the batt is on fire. We don't need any water, let let the M'fer burn. Burn m'fer, BURN! 🎵
Who knew that a vulgar song from the 80's (And later covered by Bloodhoung Gang) would be key to solving EV fires in the future? /s
I thought water was useless against Lithium fires...
EV Car makers should be required to install a fire suppression system in the cars especially the battery compartments.
Those EV battery packs can produce their own oxygen...
What if the EV is on a ferry 😮
Very good question. I'll address this in a later video.
Here is a TIP DON'T BY A ELECTRIC VEHICLE or you can watch your $ 100.000 + dollar vehicle go up in SMOKE
I mean petrol and diesel are more flammable and more likely to burn.
@@TimpBizkit Bullshit.
I'll pass on the purchase of an EV.
@@Bill-sp8kb And i dont blame you
You neglected a MAJOR reason for letting it burn. All that smoke is FULL of toxic gases, allowing it to completely burn eliminates much of the toxicity. More flame is better. And any water you use to try and extinguish a battery pack has now become hazardous waste runoff, so now you're getting the EPA involved, and you're going to have several truck loads of dirt and asphalt to did up and replace, and a crap load of paperwork.
If you just let it burn, in about 2-2 1/2 hours you'll just be able to sweep it all up. They may have to repave a bit of asphalt, but no haz-mat incident.
I plan on doing a video specifically addressing what's in the smoke. That's definitely something I'll be addressing.
@@StacheDTraining If you ever get a chance, you should take the course offered by the Energy Security Agency. It's an excellent day of training. They also have a toll free emergency number like Chemtrec, only for EV's.
@@ffjsb I've seen some shorter presentations from them.
Another reason why EVs shouldn't have tax incentives.
If it's 100% your money, buy whatever you want.
I wonder how dangerous these EV fires are on the environment
Do you want to educate the public? Stop saying it's all sunshine and roses.
Ban electrified vehicles from underground carparks like for NGL ones.
Dumb Thought. Recycled vehicle battlers sold to companies to store solar power for homes. ????? Batteries from wrecked salvage vehicles ????? What could go wrong ???? 😂😂
get rid of EV that will stop it
I never park near an EV. Never.
Evs a joke and waste of time and the joke that Ev will save us is utter bs
I've got a better idea don't make the cars.
They aren't for everyone, but do have a place: th-cam.com/video/zOXlMrVF5Os/w-d-xo.html