Electric Car Explosions Worldwide
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- UPDATE: More than 32,000 hybrid Jeep Wrangler 4xe SUV's recalled for potential fire risk.
UPDATE: The Jeep in this video was charging at the time of the fire. The firefighters unplugged the vehicle upon arrival.
Explore the global repercussions of electric and hybrid vehicle incidents as I investigate a jaw-dropping explosion in Ghent, Belgium involving a Jeep hybrid (PHEV). Connect the dots from a Renault Zoe garage explosion in Germany to a different Jeep 4xe garage explosion in Colorado. Discover the alarming truth about flammable gas released during battery failures. There have been too many firefighter close calls recently involving electric vehicles. Are these incidents a wake-up call for the automotive industry?
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Since it's a prevalent comment: An internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicle fire is typically 5 minutes of firefighting that takes 200 gallons of water (THEY DO NOT EXPLODE). They are a bread & butter fire that are typically low risk and easy to deal with. EV fires/failures have a number of concerning issues that we DO NOT see in ICE vehicle fires. My content is to make firefighters aware of the issues they may deal with. I talk about the number of ICE vehicle fires vs EV fires here: th-cam.com/video/d_SpHvBfzrw/w-d-xo.html
So what does NFPA say about this ?
@@neubauerjosephNFPA will tow the official narrative on these situations.....that's exactly what happened when the MV Fremantle Highway burned uncontrollably for a week. The world was told that there were only 49 EV self combusting fire crackers on board - and, that were all driven off the ship at dock. Truth was: there were 250 of them and independent live video recorded one large blackened Merc being craned off and straight into a bright orange skip where it was dowsed with a huge hose and covered with a heavy tarp - by four guys in HAZMAT suits.
Are there many teslas spontaneously combusting? Or just ev's from brands that stand to lose billions if ev's get even more popular?
You have to restate the numbers every single time, otherwise the chuckleheads in the comments get the wrong end of the stick, and start spouting anti EV conspiracies about control or 15 minute cities or some such nonsense.
It's also worth noting the time delay you get from a thermal runaway event starting (smoke, hissing) to the fire, assuming you are able to leave the vehicle, you tend to be able to get out of an EV long before it catches fire, even if it's going to.
👍 Good stuff. It's better to raise practical awareness than to be triggered. Back in the day ICE fires were considerably worse than horse explosions, but despite the hazards, and despite the haters, ICE use kept increasing until it became standard. And because it is simply how things are done now, we have learned to deal with ICE hazards on all levels, not just in terms of firefighting but also in terms of improved vehicle engineering. People may still be injured or perish in vehicle fires, but things have improved noticably since the Ford Pinto days.
Things will improve for EVs as well, but only if we tackle the issues head on, with our eyes fully open.
EV stands for explosive vehicle 😂
The CAT 994H burns 1,800 gals of fuel in a 12 hr. shift. This machine is required to move 500,000 lbs of earth in order to get the minerals needed for ONE SINGLE Tesla car battery. In whose world does this type of math and green new deal make sense?
You changed my world today. 😂
😂😂😂
Yup
@@suzie-OO7 a world controlled by serpent humanoids
I had a 3.7V lithium battery explode on charge. It was a tiny cell about half the size of a match box and that fireball was devastatingly huge 6ft in all directions, destroyed my wall, table and the flooring - had we not been in the house at the time, I probably would have lost the house. That showed me just how much flammable gas and oxygen a single cell of perhaps just 1 cubic cm can produce. Even a small hybrid vehicle battery is thousands of times that size. Its quite frightening. Flammable liquids are obviously dangerous, but at least you can cut of their oxygen supply, the lithium cell once critical is really unstoppable until its consumed all of its content.
It is significant. A single 18650 cell can release 6 liters of gas.
What type of gas?@@StacheDTraining
@michaelthomas7898 about 20% hydrogen and a bunch of other flammable gasses.
i use li-po batterys for rc cars and heli's, i have a few 6 cell brick 22v 5000mah for my biggest heli, i never keep/ charge them in the house they are way to dangerous, it can easily produce 500 amps in burst's, you want to see one of them go up 0.0, i keep them in the garden in an old metal ammo box. ive never had a fire while charging, only in a crash situation where the pack gets damaged and punctured.
@@chrismechanic2000me too also in my Airsoft rifles one puffed up and then burst into flames it was insane
Driving around sitting on top of a pile of Lithium Ion Batteries is sheer madness!
With a gastank, full of high inflameabel fluid und a hot engiene, thats no Problem for you? By the way, go with lfp cell's and be happy .
It's not a problem because a gas tank usually will not rupture, even in a serious accident. And it only the fuel vapour that is explosive. Plus the fuel needs Oxygen to burn. Lithium Ion batteries create their own Oxygen when burning so they are extremely difficult to extinguish. Plus they burn much hotter than Gasoline or Diesel.
@@roadrunnerfirebird , have you paid attention to the space agencies?! Do you suppose they could've sent the rockets/Shuttles into space without using flammable/explosive fuels?! Could they send them without oxygen, after all fires don't burn in the absence of oxygen which is what killed Apollo 1 Astronauts on the test platform. The fact is we've been operating gas/diesel/kerosene vehicles be them cars, trucks, trains, planes or ships for DECADES to the tune of BILLIONS across the planet & except for instances of "negligence" on the part of manufacturers & sometimes owners/operators, the vehicles do not have a habit of bursting into flames. The U.S. alone had over 290 MILLION vehicle registrations in 2023, of that number around 2.4 MILLION were AE-V's according to Pew Research. Some of the first AE-V's I remember "spontaneously combusting" were Chevy Volts used in crash tests. They put the vehicles outside and the coolant used to cool the battery corroded the terminals and the vehicles went up in flames. 9 months ago a Ford Lightning on charge in a lot with others suddenly erupted in flames and took the others with it. No explanation given.
We also know that water/salt water can cause AE-V's to erupt in flames due to corrosion/short-circuit, it's why they tell people to keep flooded AE-V's out of garages/away from other objects. Before all of this we had lithium-powered cell phones and laptops where batteries were suddenly exploding/flaming up with the phones in people's pockets etc., laptops in the cargo holds of planes.... It's a known RISK even as much as it is for a fire/explosion with hydrogen sulfide gas when charging a standard vehicle battery if you overcharge it which MOST people do not and those chargers tend to be low amperage with integrated overcharge/overheating protection.
@@stephenvelden295 So wrong....🫢
@@roadrunnerfirebird Synthetic Fuel is better. Better than both gastank and battery.
I don't think I'd ever buy a electric vehicle
I'll never ever own one!!
Why?
@@jmackinjersey1 fire
New York, Kookafornia, and various other places run by boneheaded ultra-liberals will force you to (or at least that's THEIR intention).
No doubt youll be forced to in the end@@johnboys4697
This is something that really needs to be talked about, it's just something that firefighters should not have to deal with
Commuting is a huge blight on the globe that causes cancer, respiratory diseases, accident injuries, and all kinds of headaches that noone should have to deal with. Most people who have to use cars and roads to get to work could do some or all of their work from home.. but it would be a disaster to the trillions of dollars in industry based around making a buck off of people trying to get to work.
Firefighters would have the time to train for and deal with EV fires if they weren't stretched past their capacity dealing with all the other vehicle fires.
@@stickyfox Hello Sticky, if you can, I just placed a comment ( Michael Delio 1870). Can you tell me what you think?
They outlawed fireworks in most states because it could cause harm to unknown firemen when called to house fires. I see no reason not to ban these batteries as well.
@@michaeldelio1870your comment is a comment of all time.
@@Benji_The_Ghoul thanks man, I feel so smart now.
Imagine driving 75 mph down the road and suddenly the cabin fills with toxic and flammable gas. Scary stuff
Like it was said in the video, having the batteries inside the passenger compartment is a bad idea...
Only scary for maybe thirty seconds... then nothing.
I'm all for EV tech, but... in the event of a crash, if the barrier between battery cells is breached, you're basically driving a bomb. (Sorry for the necro comment.)
Sorry im many Cars Ar Airbags and These are Van Explosion
Yeah and all the doors lock around you ... and you cant get out.
Imagine having a 2 ton flamethrower ticking time bomb, just quietly charging in your garage while you sleep..
I’m an exempt volunteer firefighter, thank you for sharing this information! I certainly hope that anyone considering one of these sees this and changes their mind.
you should be proud you serve your community in such a way. I’m most proud of you 👍🏼. Not everything we do involves money 💰. I’m 68. I know about these things. lol 😆
Thank you Gary, it was one of the best choices I ever made. I’m 66, not far behind you👍🏻@@garbinator09
@@garbinator09you’re old but far from wise. Lmfao
Lithium and water do not mix
@@kasomoru6 But they do make pretty colors.
I worked at a local waste & recycling centre. One small lithium battery got crushed in the waste compactor. 6ft flames, then a fire spread into the container. We were shut for 1/2 a day with the Fire Brigade in attendance.
He develops them.
Small lithium packs cached Jumbo jets, be shure it's all out before you guy press metal frames.
The Press was broken ?
And is that because of the battery, or because the facility is operated by a bunch of zero-skill idiots who toss everything into a compactor without looking? 😆
Strange that you don't complain about gas canisters and tanks of nitrous oxide, given as those explode violently when burned or compressed.
@@SVEVelsenYou are wrong.
@@SVEVelsen gas canisters and nitox tanks are easy to see because they are big. not a two inch long battery that could be under or inside something else.
@SVEVelsen calm down Elon, it'll be ok!
These EV cars are really helping the environment.
Also, it gives the children the opportunity to mine for cobalt in the Congo. Progress.
@@meee175Hopefully you didn't type this on a smartphone 😂
Until a video captures two children buckled securely in child safety seats-mom dies trying to save ………… (?)
@@meee175I’ve watched mining videos. Current theocratical dictates say nothing of irresponsible conservation methods to digging up our Earth. Just do it! Cause Oils BAD!
Ya but no one's mentioned it ,there just going ahead with pushing them on the public.
Saying ICE fires are more common than EV is like comparing a match with a flamethrower, except that it's a flamethrower than can't be extinguished.
I own a golf cart dealership. The new lithium carts really have me worried. They can just combust and firefighters cant put it out
so don't get any in then.
@JackFrost008 hey jack. If you don't have anything to contribute just shut the fuck up. The adults are talking now
Golf cart batteries are far smaller and less complex that EV batteries they should be relatively safe.
@@shadowbanned5164 aye, never heard of a golf cart imploding for fun.
I’ve been making firefighter turnout gear for the past sixteen years. I get a lot of feedback from EMS folks about vehicle fires. They all say that there’s nothing more toxic than an EV fire!
I feel sorry for firefighters. They fight fires with water to cool down the batteries. But the devilish EVs can be shooting out flames while completely submerged in water. What a tough job!!!!
That's crazy train they are right up on it trying to put the fire out. I'd stay at least 30 feet away
PHEV cars are the most risky. He does a poor job in making this clear. BEV cars cars catch on fire far less often than ICE. EVs with LFP batteries are also much safer than the cars he is talking about and many manufacturers are switching to LFP chemistry.
Putting water on lithium metal is dangerous.
@@barnbuild27 It is not dangerous to put water on Li-ion battery. It does take a lot more water to put out a Li ion battery fire with MNC chemistries. The overall risk from BEV cars appears to be less than ICE. LFP battery chemistry appears to be a lot safer than MNC chemistries.
@@yodaiam1000take a li-ion battery from its case and just spray water on it and see if it's not dangerous..🤡.
You keep on teaching, I'll keep learning. I'm not a firefighter, just a retired tech, but I appreciate people that share their knowledge with others.
I live in the UK. I am 61 years old, and I had never seen a burning car before. In the last year, I have seen three on my way home from work. All battery cars, and they were really ablaze.
Better start believing in God. Christians warned you all. Better to believe, then to ask for proof constantly. ☦
@@Featheryfaith7 What on Earth has the existence of God to do with electric cars cooking off?
@@Dragonblaster1 Prophecy. We warned you all. Look back on other videos. Why do you think we knew what will happen? Its also in Revelation. If we ban oil, then it will start a war. ☦
@@Dragonblaster1 Russia was angry with us for banning oil and then thus created a war with Ukraine due to his pride was ruined. Russia is heavily Orthodox. This is an Orthodox cross. No coicidence here. LOL. Im also Orthodox. ☦
@@Featheryfaith7not one of these…
I work at industrial sites and a vapor cloud looking for an ignition source is one of those things we fear the most. A very informative video indeed.
You talk about a vapour cloud yet fail to mention one of the most dangerous and common examples - petrol/gasoline vapour!! Why am I not surprised it slipped your memory?
Paul G
Tell me about it... I'm constantly dodging clouds of petrol.. They're everywhere, these days.
@@EVUK-bd2vnpetrol doesn't vaporize at normal temperature 🤦
@@EVUK-bd2vn gasoline doesn't violently and spontaneously vaporize like the electrolyte in batteries does. It will slowly vaporize, yes, but that's why most cars have gas tanks on the outside so the vapor can dissipate into the surrounding air and so it's diluted. The dilution rate is higher than the vaporization rate so an explosive mixture won't form. Unless it's a leaking fuel like under pressure which will vaporize an explosive mixture of gas, but the leak will stop once power to the fuel pump is shut down, like by turning off the ignition. Only if the gas tank is inside the cabin an explosive mixture can form, but I think they stopped making cars like that in the previous century.
the ignition sauce was already present and the 'fuel' was also present - what it lacked was an oxidiser! smashing the windows provided that
What can you do when the government promotes what should be outlawed?
During 2022, the NTSB recorded around 190'000 ICE car fires in the US, so should ICE cars be outlawed too?
So you want mobile phones and laptops plus cameras banned?
Just don't purchase them!
Find the humor in it.
@@Anomoomin exactly - thousands of cells in an EV battery pack, and it only takes one to set off a chain reaction. I believe the engineering term for this is "COMPLETELY EFFING INSANE". How this gets past the NTSB is a mystery to me. Elon must be spreading a lot of cash around there, the way the pharma companies spread cash around the CDC.
I had an experience similar to that years ago when I was a tow truck driver for AAA at SF Airport. I received a call for a dead battery at short term parking. I pulled up behind the car and had the driver open the hood. My truck was equipped with a 18’ jumper cable. I connected the positive side of the battery then I connected the negative side to the engine block. Almost immediately there was a tremendous explosion and I was blown back. I couldn’t see anything because battery acid was in my face and burning like hell no fire but it burned my face. I yelled for the driver to help me but she kept saying she couldn’t so I grabbed the jumper cables and followed it to my truck and radioed in for help I gave them the level and parking number. I was out of work for several months. I now wear glasses to see correctly. Battery gasses collect around the battery even if it’s not being charged if there’s no ventilation. Be careful be very careful.
She wouldn’t help you? What a horrible person.
@@Starfish2145 I’m guessing she was in shock as much as I was and seized up .
Very sorry to hear that about you .
Thank you for this info. Some may avoid injuries
Great info , hoping car makers are watching and learning
It’s crazy how defensive certain people get when you talk negatively about EV’s.. i’ve gotten into more than a few heated arguments with people, they completely lose their minds. 😂
People love to take sides and shout at each other. Similar to sport or politics
This state of affairs has been accelerated by excess internet usage fuelling shorter attention spans
The human race is doomed
Same here! This coworker got absolutely whacko about it and caught me completely off guard as he’s usually pretty laid back and not an environut either. Strange people all over nowadays
@@johnkc4775100 percent.. people like to pretend to be experts about things they know nothing about 😂
Sunk cost fallacy; they bought into "new tech" and found out it's not all that great/cost saving as they were lied to about.
EV's suck for most people honestly, they suck at replacing an ICE, they suck at moving loads, they have no re-sale value, because they have no life span beyond the battery pack (maybe 8-12 years depending on brand and tech.) and, as we see now, have a high risk associated with them any time they: Get submerged, parked in an enclosed space, or crashed; even faulty chargers, or malfunction of onboard diagnostics could cause a run-away failure of the battery.
The truth is, EV's have been a genetic failure of mobility technology since it's inception in the 1890s (No I didn't mistype that, eighteen-nineties, that's when EVs were created); the very few places where "Electric" "vehicles" have won a market on their own without forced government command are places like factories, and resort destinations, they have their own kinds of market specific EVs that serve and function as needed, by demand of the market, and they do just fine on their own in those markets; but those aren't trying to replace cars. (even though some places have made those vehicles road legal, and some people do use them as car replacements in those places. That's cool, good job, we should approve of stuff like that, give people options and they will chose what's best for themselves.)
@@lunasakara7306 That was a long response 😂.. yes, you’re correct.. they’re fine as an option, but people should have the right to choose, and they will never replace the ICE.
Here in the UK it's got so bad when you travel by car across the channel to France or Belgium the authorities are more concerned about whether your vehicle is electric than they are about checking your passport.
Live travel reports used to just say "car fire" or "vehicle fire" now they stress whether it's petrol or diesel.
They never tell you anything if it's an EV. The Luton Airport fire? They are claiming the Range Rover in question wasn't an EV but you can clearly see in the footage it's a hybrid and the fire breaks out left side of the engine compartment where the battery was.
Champion Tower in Miami, it has all the hallmarks of VCE ie thermobaric, firefighters reported a deep fire in the rubble, that confirms EV and Lion battery incident.
Very clever of Jeep to make the roof an emergency pressure relief valve. 😄
Seriously though, great video.
I'm really surprised there haven't been a class action lawsuit against these EV manufacturers.
Yet.
Yah questioning too, with sooo many reports of people getting killed in them and even hurting firefighters, I don't understand they get away without having to be liable here.
@Afrocanuk, who knows, clearly there are many people with more $$ than good sense. In the U.S. there are an estimated ~2.4 MILLION AE-V's according to Pew Research and California has nearly 50% of that number, yet there were over 290 MILLION vehicle registrations in the U.S. last year. Yet those who are pro-EV swear that the popularity of the vehicles is off the charts, prices are going down and people are buying them up like hotcakes! Ford who just offered a 40% increase in pay and a 4-day work week to employees after the strike, also posted over $3 BILLION in losses due to AE-V's sitting unsold on lots. The push by Democrats/Biden to "GO GREEN AND BUY AE-V'S!!!" is all political BS, it's nothing to do with "solving real-world problems with practical solutions." China is also one of the largest benefactors in the "AE-Vehicle craze" & they're not shy about bribing "for sale" politicians/corporations, stealing design secrets for virtually anything, artificially devaluing their own currency to attract "cheap labor" businesses and using child labor all to bolster their aspirations of becoming "THE WORLD'S DOMINANT SUPER-POWER!!"
As a person that has been around hobby grade scale cars and seen what happens to the small cars when the lithium batteries catch fire...I'm amazed so many people are willing to hop on top of these electric vehicles
Right don't ever leave them unattended in rc. Never have them full charge if your not going to use right away. Have a safe place away from stuff that will burn.
Then ev car just leave it parked by your home or in the garage over night plugged in .
Even fast charging kills the batterys 3 times as fast. Ev cars hey use a fast charger everyday so you don't have to wait.
Can you name even a single example of an EV that went up without a huge amount of time passing first?
Yeah I didn't think so.
@@SVEVelsen I counted about 2 seconds.... when a lithium battery goes off, its almost like an explosion. (Electrical engineer, 40+ years of experience) th-cam.com/video/T71cVhxG_v4/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=SouthChinaMorningPost
@@SVEVelsen Fremantle highway with brand new EV's, lots of chinese brands at storage lots, a brand new BMW hybrid that started burning in the showroom... "Huge amount of time" btw. How huge compared with ICE cars?
James Bond’s new Astin Martin is electric;no ejection seat button needed
Yes and it can also shoot flames out from under the vehicle.
"This messege will self-destruct... as the playback device was made in china"
Thank you for preserving the environment!
Great video. I appreciate how you criticise but also have a fix for the problems.
I noticed with the incident of the blue car with the back hatch open, that even with the hatch open, the doors were blown open during the explosion.
Its because there's other semi contained areas within the vehicle
So for example the space behind the dashboard, despite not being sealed off and not a completely separate area to the rest of the inside of the car, will partially contain its own detonation compared to the rest of the ignition area in the open space within the car. Hence a smaller explosion will occur
Thank you for speaking the truth amongst people who angrily believe the agenda
Think you're oversimplyfying a bit there. But yes, speaking the truth is always best.
Thank you for thinking that vehicles are the main concern, and not the ways we produce electricity.
@@christopherallen9476 No, the main concern is gullible people who believe humans can destroy the planet. I'd quote George Carlin but YT doesn't like certain words.
I was gonna ask him if he had is safety glasses on while at work? But he already answered the question,
"A bit concerning" is the understatement of the decade.
How anyone can plug one of those in overnight and think the home is safe is beyond me.
Here's an idea. Don't buy a 300-mile leash that spontaneously combusts, functions as an explosive, and cannot be put out once it catches fire.
ok smart alek whats your plan for peak oil.
@@rottin_3669
more oil, natural gas? Heard of it?
@@rottin_3669 peak oil is peak stupidity, just like peak climate change.
300 mile leash…lol love it. They get that much? People complaining about oil, truly, foolish and brainwashed, they forget how electricity is generated. Here’s a hint for the stupid it isn’t a bunch of mice, running on a wheel to generate electricity…….answer oil. Uh oh. Triggered if someone reads this. I’ll stick to combustible engine
@@rottin_3669I am sorry to inform you that electricity for EVs does not come from unicorns' farts, as you probably think.
Thanks for these images, I live in Belgium and this is never in the news, it is kept quiet, people should not know how dangerous these EVs are!
They are literally playing with the lives of the citizens and the firefighters!
These vehicles should be banned.
Should ICE cars also be banned, given that around 190'000 of them caught fire during 2022 in the US? I assume those were not on your radar prior to posting?
@@Brian-om2hhThey don't just burst into flames, hours after parking.
You can't compare the two. ICE vehicle fires burn at 1500F and are easily extinguished by water or foam that starves the fire of oxygen. EV fires burn at 5000F and usually cannot be extinguished because they have their own oxidant inside. All fire fighters can do is wait for them to burn themselves out which can take hours. Meanwhile they keep surrounding vehicles and structures from catching fire or destroyed by the heat. Nice try though.
@@Brian-om2hh where is the mandatory vehicle fire extinguisher in an EV?
@@Brian-om2hhthey don't spontaneously combust you 🤡 get a life
Thank you for sharing these videos!
Thanks for the informative video. ❤
You are so welcome!
it is a shame that the mainstream media never shows these incidents , i wonder why ? pretty obvious
Why?
@@michealofloinn2539 Because EV's are viewed as one of the saviors of humanity. And any criticism may be viewed, by the public, as climate change denying.
Advertising the manufacturer for income streams
As always...FOLLOW THE MONEY
It's a shame you ignore the fact that ICE cars have been blowing up and burning for years along with polluting and killing millions. But whatever.
The obvious problem lithium ion batteries pose is the toxic aerosol they generate when undergoing thermal runaway. This aerosol contains lead, thallium, cobalt, nickel, copper, and silver - among other things. By contrast, gasoline fires are limited essentially to hydro-carbon compounds and their ignition byproducts. Ingesting fumes of either is not good, but clearly, EV batteries produce chemicals that can have devastating long term health effects on those who are exposed. Health authorities around the world are way behind in regulating lithium ion batteries and their toxic pollution. When all the facts are known and acknowledged, these types of large scale energy storage will be banned in most civilized countries.
it is know but government are pushing the green ageda no matter the cost
Brilliant information! Thank you!
"Significant amounts of HF, ranging between 20 and 200 mg/Wh of nominal battery energy capacity, were detected from the burning Li-ion batteries. The measured HF levels, verified using two independent measurement methods, indicate that HF can pose a serious toxic threat, especially for large Li-ion batteries and in confined environments. The amounts of HF released from burning Li-ion batteries are presented as mg/Wh. If extrapolated for large battery packs the amounts would be 2-20 kg for a 100 kWh battery system, e.g. an electric vehicle and 20-200 kg for a 1000 kWh battery system, e.g. a small stationary energy storage. The immediate dangerous to life or health (IDLH) level for HF is 0.025 g/m3 (30 ppm)22 and the lethal 10 minutes HF toxicity value (AEGL-3) is 0.0139 g/m3 (170 ppm)23. The release of hydrogen fluoride from a Li-ion battery fire can therefore be a severe risk and an even greater risk in confined or semi-confined spaces.
This is the first paper to report measurements of POF3, 15-22 mg/Wh, from commercial Li-ion battery cells undergoing abuse. However, we could only detect POF3 for one of the battery types and only at 0% SOC, showing the complexity of the parameters influencing the gas emission. No POF3 could be detected in any of the other tests.
Using water mist resulted in a temporarily increased production rate of HF but the application of water mist had no significant effect on the total amount of released HF."
Larsson, F., Andersson, P., Blomqvist, P. et al. Toxic fluoride gas emissions from lithium-ion battery fires. Sci Rep 7, 10018 (2017).
Interestingly, you can no longer find the US EPAs permissible limits for lithium for an industrial site, before it qualified as a toxic "brown" or "superfund" site. I looked it up years ago and the toxicity of an EV would have qualified your garage as a hazmat storage site back in the 80s and 90s. The EPA has tracked "occurrence data" on various contaminants for more than 30 years, and have slowly removed various measure for lithium.
For instance, today they only measure lithium in water samples. They used to test for - and report - lithium in facilities, machines and manufacturing centers. Pharmaceutical sites were considered dangerous if they processed lithium based drugs. The modern Tesla contains a lot more lithium than the EPA used to allow.
They did this because they knew it's a problem but the green movement has taken over everything, including safety and common sense @@FamilyManMoving
Thanks so much for the video and info
Any time!
It’s interesting to note on all the electric forklifts and hi lift machines I’ve used there are multiple warnings about the risks of toxic and flammable gases and heat produced when charging theses type of machines, specially in confined low or non ventilated areas. Yet ev cars are encouraged to be charged in your sealed up garage. Yes I know the battery set ups are different ( exposed opposed to sealed but still doesn’t feel like a good thing to do. Just my thoughts.
There's no such thing as a 'sealed up garage'. Building regs forbid that and have for decades.
That was initially for the rampant ICE fires and explosions that were constantly killing people before carburettors were improved, hosing was improved and controlled-burn fuel tanks were made mandatory, by the way.
Maybe in the US or something where there barely are any build codes.
John Cadogan sent me here. You two are sheading light on a looming problem here! Thank you both very much! Here is a list of regs being put together.
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NHTSA and EPA,
Here is a list of things that need to be regulated to guide the development/deployment of EVs & Hybrid vehicles.
You NEED to regulate this list otherwise the deployment WILL lead to an unsafe vehicles and/or an ecological disaster.
#1 Charging plug in cable should be standard across all EVs (number and layout and size of pins, function of each pin, voltage and polarity etc.) similar to the gasoline pump cable that fits into all ICE vehicles. Would prevent pin damage, sparks, smoke, damage to charger and/or vehicle if each manufacturer did this differently. NACS?
#2 The high current contactors and associated electronics should be removeable for repair or replacement without having to remove/drop the high voltage high current propulsion battery from the vehicle. Labor/time for this HCC&AE removal should be
My favorite EV videos are the ones that are on fire… under water. Makes me feel safe knowing not even a lake amount of water can put the fire out.
I’m not getting an electric vehicle until non-lithium batteries are available in the cars.
Likewise. I’d only get one if it was given to me, but then I’d sell the death trap.
I hear Toyota is working on solid state battery tech.
@u4riahsc they are a fad and won't become mainstream. My camp is near a town of 500 people. Trust me the people living there don't even know what an ev is. They will always want gas vehicles
Apparently they re-ignite even after days under water
@@dieseldave12v18hydro cells, Toyota is making hydro cells. Huge difference.
I was a fireman for about 10 years, I worked at a car part factory and we dealt with a number of special situations, like magnesium, explosive gases, cotton fibers, formaldehyde gas, and so on. When lithium is exposed to air, the moisture in the air starts the reaction and there's a lot of hydrogen gas being produced. That is causing the explosions more than anything. The batteries do also explode, but not with that much force.
What I"m hearing is people are charging these EV's too often and it causes the batteries to wear out faster, with some VERY bad results. My wife did that with her cell phone, and the battery pillowed on her. She just couldn't unplug it I suppose. If these are EV's, then why would people have a gas can or starter fluid in them? That makes zero sense.
this Jeep was a hybrid, that means it is a gas/ battery combo
@@inTruthbyGrace It said it was plugged in, so I had no way of knowing. Plus, you should NEVER carry gas or starter fluid in your car, for this very reason. If it's a hybrid, then it's just as likely it wasn't vented and the fumes from the aging battery was leaking inside. If it's a hybrid that needs charged, then the battery was old and not charging like it would normally. If you need an idea of how dangerous lithium is, cut open a AA size lithium battery, unroll the contents, remove the paper film from it, fold it into a small block (wear gloves) and toss it into a bucket of water. Stand back, it's energetic! If you need to understand what's in the smoke it puts off, take a long tube, put a bit of water in the bottom, and drop it in, you could take a lighter and ignite the hydrogen it's putting off, use a BBQ lighter so it doesn't blow your hand off. Hydrogen is nearly twice as powerful as gasoline, and invisible and odorless, your only clue is you start talking like Micky Mouse. Also it's lighter than air and would have collected in the roof, while gas fumes would collect on the floor.
@@scarsdale7186 That was a great explanation!! Thank you!! :)
@@inTruthbyGrace Even though I had to retire from being a fireman, I prefer to annoy people with sound advice, rather than let them make work for my fellow fire fighters. 😁 I cringe when I see someone trying to slap out a grease fire, or hear someone trying to deep fry a turkey and say "Don't worry, the oil will stop boiling over in a second" then it catches fire...😱
@@scarsdale7186 sound advice is nit annoying at all, it is a gift.
Merry Christmas..
here is my only osund advice:
we only have 1 Creator on record speaking to mankind in the first person, claiming the authority of the Author of life...
I was a pretty devout Roman Catholic UNTIL I read and studied what He has to say, it was not at all what I expected. His revelations, instructions, prophecies etc are laid out in a series of 66 (or so) books, revealed directly to some 40 authors over 2500y in 3 continents. We refer to that collection as the Bible and it is the measure by which our lives will be judged by God in the end. The GREAT news is that God has given us the gift of salvation whereby we can be reconciled to God by faith in Jesus for the forgiveness of sins and The Kingdom of God is at hand. Jesus is Lord, and every knee will bow.. the only question is whether we will bow before we enter the Kingdom of God or the Lake of Fire...
I was very happy I read the Bible for myself.
:)
Dude, you totally look like the stereotype hardcore fireman... and I love it!
Question: How do they plan to dispose of these once done?
Shhhh . . . we don't talk about that.
They also don't want to talk about the damage done to the earth by mining the materials.
You don't have to. Obviously they dispose of themselves.
@@deadwingdomain Look up "lithium recycling." You won't find it because it can't be done with today's technology. And it is absolutely terrible for the environment.
Recycling, dummy
I have a friend who works in the fire service in the UK and he hates electric cars for a reason. He told me once an EV fire is put out they can reignite on their own up to 58 days later, causing massive damage to the scrapyard they have been taken to.
He said once this happens it is a chain reaction that is difficult to stop, probably not too dissimilar to how nuclear fission works. Obviously nowhere near as powerful, but similar in principal.
Geez.
All was only for financial gain as was suspected....horrendous consequences not their problem obviously. The Issue was never about the real Issue..👀
Sleep well knowing kids as old as 5 in Africa get a wage for mining cobalt. Without these high paying jobs they would have to go to school and a get an education. Laughs in evil socialism.
Its a sad reality joke, folks
@@suzanneberger8202A certain country in Asia tends to get lots of our "environmental efforts" money.
You can trace the green movement's favorite solutions through the amount of money that country gets for supplying them.
@@matthewmosier8439 Same with solar panels and Solyndra (and other panel companies). All from this particular country.
Nice work, clear and informative.
Not to mention how deadly they can be in an accident due to their wrecking ball like weight.
I live in Germany but this type of news is almost never covered.
They dont talk about it, but cover is exactly what they do! Don't be fooled.. it's how the government works lol! They control all news stations etc.
It’s more than just “becoming concerning” it’s been concerning for a couple years now.
Call your local fire department and ask them how they would put out an electric car battery fire .... IT WILL SHOCK YOU
That explosion of that Renault with the hatch open still blew the other doors open...
The roof explosion package is a James Bond added extra. When being pursued by carjackers etc you can blow the roof to hinder their pursuit. Apparently it's very popular in South Africa.
Per the roof, the EV industry will just say “That’s just our automatic convertible feature”.
Devastating...!
I appreciate that you are looking to inform other fire fighters but I also think this information needs to get out to the general public so they can make informed decisions if they find themselves near one of these fires.
Feel free to share!
i remember early on when the only time you saw Li batteries was rc planes and they came with all sorts of warnings not to charge them inside or un attended, all of a sudden "its fine no worries"
All of a sudden?
Like 20 some years?
@@jaxturner7288 if 2012 was 20 years ago in your world
@@clatonblade2211 lol if 2012 was the first time you noticed R/C using lithium batteries, you haven’t been in the world long enough to remember when it started have you?
Lol lithium wasn’t even considered new when I was into R/C in the late 90’s.
So yeah kid in reality in this world, it’s been a while.
Like 20-30 years actually. 👌
@@clatonblade2211jax is just butt hurt because he's a brainwashed liberal sheep
@@clatonblade2211 so what world are you in?
10 years when I was racing RC cars and the lithium battery was just coming into the market we had to have fireproof bags to charge them
I don't think the insurance companies are ready to deal with the situation. People burned to death houses burned up groups of cars in flames.
We ban lithium battery base plant from tunnel construction cause of fire risk. We knew about all this with EVs so we ban the lot. Then our client has now ban them from site completely now. The crazy thing, our client is one who's pushing EVs but would not have them their selfs. Crazy times.
Its Ironic that car explosions like in the movies are fast becoming a reality in electric cars.
Except they're not. Statistically, ICE cars are around 40 times more likely to catch fire. Around 190'000 ICE car fires were recorded by the NTSB during 2022 in the US. There are around 300 ICE car fires each day in Britain. So far in Britain, there have been fewer than 100 EV fires in total. The problem here is that you've believed everything you've seen in the press.
@@Brian-om2hh I said “explosions”. Like when Dirty Harry throws a match and the entire car explodes. That doesn’t happen in ICE vehicles
ev user usually appreciate hollywood crap so they will find it amusing.
@@Brian-om2hh The problem here is your lack of comprehension skills.
@@Brian-om2hh ICE car fires may be 40 times more likely to catch on fire, but it seems EV fires produce a lot more than 40 times the damage of an ICE car fire.
Do you know if all these cases the cars were in the process of being charged.
I'm curious as to what conditions are setting them off
The Jeep was. In the recall, they said 6 of the 8 fires were charging related.
@@StacheDTraining I know most charge point at home are 40amp perhaps more for Tesla , I'm not sure. I de-rated mine to 30amps with no real noticable charge time difference. I wonder if that is a factor for safer charging
@mikevandenboom5958 depends on the charger. The biggest one I've seen is the lightening. 100amps
Guy: Cars don’t explode, that’s just a lie from Hollywood
Electric cars: Say no more
I'm a bicycle & Ebike mech in Bavaria. 2017 a customer parked his 3 years old Ebike with Panasonic motor, and 36 Volt - 400 watt Lithium Ion Battery, in front of the entrance of a grocery store. Summer 38° Celsius in the shadow, the bike was parked in the sun.
The explosion was so strong, it liftet and broke two iron bars out of their concrete fundaments
I believe it. People underestimate the power of ebike batteries. Is there any chance you have any video/pictures?
@@StacheDTraining sorry, no cctv available. But the two cops and the two of your German firefighters colleges, were pretty amazed by the explosion. Look for video = Batteries failure : Buses stop running in cities with millions of people! 5 flaws of....
Since I work with Ebikes, I look for the latest safety rules. In Germany, the firefighters say, you need for every burned electric car a 72 hours Karanthe box. Because of the possibility of starting again self burning. Latest idea, some kind of anti fire Mattress, to wrap up the burned car. In Austria, there is a tesla, Wich burned 4 year ago compleat. It still stays there, because nobody wants to touch it or to transport it 🤔🤣🤣🤣‼️
Australian firefighters attending EV fires have already had their staff permanently disabled with chronic health problems from the toxic cobalt fumes. EV's are a truly dangerous given the lack of public and even professional ignorance of their toxic and explosive nature.
That's not the car fire, that's EXTREMELY BAD PRACTICE of the Australian fire department as that would mean they went to put the fire out without breathing equipment on multiple occasions as getting that ill won't come from one car fire.
I very much doubt that your statement is a true reflection on what is actually causing any health issues.
Maybe they are ill after compulsory jabs
Yeah i saw that. The car was in a underground car park. They didn't even go in. They just walked past an exterior vent with no obvious fumes coming out. On the way to deal with the fire, so they hadn't put their breathing gear on yet. The cobalt poisoning has left them permanently unable to work. It only takes a very small dose for this to happen
@@davedevonlad7402Ridiculous victim blaming on your part.
To add to the other comment explaining the fumes came through a vent when they didn't know, fire fighters aren't often told its an EV fire, and they still, in most countries, have not received any training on EV fires, nor do most countries have any official policy on how to deal with them.
EVs aren't allowed to have problems. Shut up science denier.
Cobalt fumes? What’s a cobalt fume?
If you have EV keep your window slightly open 😂😂
Great video
That Renault...
Did you notice the doors spring and distort from the blast? That was with the rear hatch OPEN, venting pressure.
If that hatch had been shut when the battery capped off, that car would've gone off like a giant grenade.
The open hatch was also letting oxygen into the space which allowed an ideal gas mix to happen, both filmed explosions were similar to "backdraft" situations and may need similar contingency efforts.
@@volentimeh, actually no. There is no lack of oxygen at any moment inside the car, because the battery is releasing oxygen and the situation starts with normal oxygen level inside the car. To get a backdraft-like situation you need something that greedily consumes oxygen as soon as it becomes available.
This is unbelievable. The government says they are safe and effective, who should we believe?
Like the f###ing jabs 😂
Definitely not any government.
The government is out to reduce population
Always trust the government. They employ scientists and experts to keep you safe.
@@jimarcher5255lol...
moral of the story is - leave all the windows open and pray you have a car to drive in the morning :)))))
Battery inside : explodes violently
Battery outside : takes 3 days to put it out
Awesome advice on clear a zone I have seen people just stand in and around the smoke they do not know how toxic it is.
Theres going to be insurances claims connected to EV fires in public places.
EVs appear to be uninsurable now in the UK after the Luton Airport inferno..
LiPo (Lithium polymer) batteries used in radio controlled cars, boats and planes can be very volatile. I've seen them explode and burn destroying the model vehicle. Also can ignite while charging. Never leave them unattended.
Gasoline/petrol is also extremely volatile and explosive....just so you know.
Dude, that's the battery in your phone. You leave that sht unattended in your pocket for most of the day.
@@Brian-om2hhit's not though. You can't light gasoline with a cigarette .
The new Mercedes eqs is a fire hazard too. Daw a news clip where one caught fire in someone's garage and it wasn't even charging
Too big to fail moments. Brought to you by the man of faith....
Hats off to you Capt. for a really informative and entertaining vid. Proper public service. I also can't help but think that you weren't quite 'roof-less' enough with your Jeep Wrangler design work ! (The potential for an exploding airbag is bad enough - but this is on another level altogether.)
My goodness, the explosive battery is beneath the children's seat.
Great information! Thanks 👍👍👍!
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Fireman; ''I think it's in the garage...''
Jeep; ''yes''
AutoExpertJohnCadogan sent me, and I’m very glad he did. I’m subscribed “Dude”…
Great video!
I have wondered how firefighters could distinguish gas versus hybrid versus full electric vehicles in an aemergency. I also have been saying that they have flaws that need to be addressed for battery system. Thank you for this video, I don't feel crazy 😊
100% EV vehicles are 18x less likely to catch fire 🔥 than ICE vehicles according to Ford study. Hybrids had poorest record and was most likely to catch fire. A Swedish Safety Standard Council also did study and found similar results. EVs were actually less likely and Hybrids more likely catching 🔥
@@simonbishop4160: Research thermal runaway re/ EVs. It merely took 1 EV vehicle fire to sink an entire car carrier in the Atlantic, and this has now happened twice. In China, one recharging EV bus fire caused 50 EV buses to catch on fire. EVs are profoundly more dangerous than ICE vehicles.
Firefighters are going to start doing this: "What kind of car is on fire? Electric you say? We don't do electric cars. Good luck."
Lithium batteries are positioned in the centre floor section, underneath the second row seats in order to keep the centre of gravity as low as possible . . . especially in a high riding SUV that have a inherently high centre of gravity . . .
Thank you for a very clear explanation.
This is not an aspect of electric car ownership I had thought about.
You are welcome!
Going to get more common. The demand for batteries soared too high, too fast, with no infrastructure behind the suppliers. Our governments putting the cart before the horse. So, companies cut costs to meet demands. Lowering the requirements on the materials. Reducing, or eliminating, quality control. Reducing, or eliminating, testing. Removing safety items that were not (yet) deemed "necessary".
The problem now is that these batteries are already out there. So even if standards are raised (and kept) these "defects" will still work their way into the system. The push for EV's have dug them a hole they will take decades to dig out of, if they can.
This Guy is real good...Thank you for the electric car battery podcast data...
Anyone that owns a Jeep can tell you that those hardtops are not light. Over 100 pounds and bolted down. That explosion had a lot of force to throw that top that high. Most definitely deadly if someone was inside.
How often have we heard that statement: "...luckily - no one was injured..."?
It's only a matter of time before the headline reads: 'HUNDREDS killed and thousands wounded/traumatised in Exploding Vehicle (EV) disaster!!!"
So, it's perhaps a good thing that the latest battery technology - Blade Batteries - have zero thermal runaway characteristics then, isn't it? These batteries have been tested by driving steel spikes through them, with no fires resulting. They are already being used in some EV's already. So what will the next gripe be? Wind turbines killing whales?
Another interesting topic to explore, are extensive wild fires nowadays. Politicians are quick to blame Global warming, to divert attention to the lack of forest management. An example it's legislation to stop farming as cattle breeding, while promoting planting trees in mono culture on extensive areas. Meanwhile, fast forward, the undergrowth doesn't get maintain, leading to fierce wild fires.
This really isn't in my wheelhouse, but I do agree. Land management is extremely important to prevent wildfires.
The HARM DONE by EV to The Environment is ASTONISHING but No Government Dares to Talk About it
Pine trees last 15 years, then become firewood.. Enviro nuts can't fathom this.
In California they blame all the wildfires on climate change. Even though they were worse in the 1800s. And they have a climate where it doesn't rain for 6 months straight. No matter if it's 90F or 88F, everything is going to be super flammable.
re: "Politicians are quick to blame Global warming, to divert attention to the lack of forest management." well only problem with that is, to bring up the Wild Fire problem in isolation is to "run a scam" of DECONTEXTUALIZATION (where you "myopically" focus in on ONE thing, while ignoring the larger context involving OTHER things) because unfortunately the problem regarding "lack of forest management" (which for sure is an issue) has little to do with the problem of DROUGHTS, FLOODS, WINTER TORNADOES, and monster Category 5 Hurricanes slamming into populated areas...
see entry for Lake Mead and the Hoover Dam (i still have the pics i took on my phone from November 2019 back when i was out in Vegas for SEMA just before the arrival of the Global Pandemic), see entry for Hurricane Ian September 2022, also see entry for the Floods in Vermont and here in Pennsylvania July 2023, etc.
So many videos on this. I read GM is stopping production. So glad
GM hasn't built any of them. 😉
We need a non-lithium battery technology. Lithium has a multitude of negatives, not just the issue of runaway chemical reactions that result in uncontrollable fires.
So technically, these are not battery explosions. It's a flash over caused by the flammable gasses collecting inside the vehicle. Having said that, this is still a very serious issue and needs to be examined thoroughly to improve manufacturing standards and safety.
I have studied to understand the EV fire issue. The key points are that when an EV battery pack has a fault in the battery itself it has all of the elements (fuel, oxygen and ignition) to start a fire and continue burning. Standard fire fighting methods will not put our the fire and as shown in the video the explosive gases can build up and amplify the problem.
I have personally experienced standard lead-acid automotive batteries fail resulting in small extinguishable fires and have even had these batteries explode due to internal faults but in all incidents with lead-acid automotive batteries are controllable with standard fire fighting equipment and practices.
What if said fire happens in enclosed structures, say, underground garage?
False: flooded Lead acid batteries are not under pressure and the sealed once dont give off gas
Just want to make clear to all viewing that the lead acid battery explosion 5 coworkers and I experienced was real. The battery that exploded was a group 27 lead acid battery. The batteries connected to it did not ignite. In 40 years of automotive repair I have experienced only 2 lead acid battery explosion failures but in both cases there was no uncontrollable fire as results from the current EV battery packs.
@@magmomwise
Having that battery under the seat like that is like having a gigantic gas tank under your car seats.
1947-1972 Chevrolet trucks had the gas tank behind the seat.
car, truck, suv, van, buses, big trucks. not everything is a car
@@SC-ym5zuFord as well
Good idea Joe ! Polluting our atmosphere with the gas off these fires ! Thanks Joe
I can’t believe there isn’t some universal regulation car companies have to follow. It’s absurd to think that this happening is even a possibility
It took decades to get car companies to implement basic safety features. Companies like Ford, Chevrolet, Tesla etc will always argue against regulations since it reduces their profit margin.
Look at the way Tesla attacked regulators instead of simply making their 'Cybertruck' POS safe beyond a 1980's level of safety.
There is tho. It’s just EVs are a new thing. New enough to not have regulations yet, anyways. Yet.
@@sr-7124 saying "it's ok because it's new" is zero justification for putting the publics lives at risk. Infrastructure isn't there, time, money, first responders training isn't even there either. EV's hold no future.
I would rather take my chances with a 1973 Ford Pinto than any EV.
A pinto cider is my preference
That’s just ignorant
@@michaeldautry Not as ignorant as EV fanatics
That’s as dumb as being afraid of flying.
@@JollyRed0045Go take a Pinto and sit in the back of a traffic jam complaining about EV fanboys. Good luck
I have always said it’s like driving a Granada with the pin ready to come off at any time
I'd look at the Walibi Flevo fire couple months ago. That was a really strong indicator. A Tesla (because of course it is, again) had a malfunction and went like a bonfire.
A Leaf next to it quickly caught fire, so did a second Tesla that burned down to the wheels.
But a BYD Atto3 took fire pressure from both sides and refused to go up. A Renault Zoe took major pressure from the front and refused to go. A second BYD took fire pressure from one side and refused to go up.
The cause there apparently was a chargepoint built on the cheap by a moonlighter, where some genius had wrapped the wires around themselves. Even the most dimwitted electrician knows the spool effect, but they did it anyway.