I very much agree that the best thing to do would be to burn it all down and start a new! The DC roster of characters heroes and villains all deserve more than they have been getting from the studio that owns them but the trick is they need to stop hiring controversial directors and writers who clearly announce and show the public that they don't actually love the characters that they're writing origin stories to. Hiring David S. Goyer to write Superman and Batman was a bad decision & interesting Zack Snyder to create an entire universe and vision for them was not smart either. However, them attempting to come up with ideas hasn't worked either so clearly they need a Kevin feige type leader to hone everybody in and control the situation a little bit better. For crying out loud they have multiple great creators in charge of their comic book division that have been doing an excellent job preserving the integrity of key characters there is no reason they can't hire one of them to be in charge of the cinematic universe at this point. I just want Warner Brothers & DC to care about all of their characters and how they are represented and make sure that they create a universe worth investing our time in as they did in the 90s when they created the DC animated universe. We should be getting Batman stories just as good as Batman anime series because we have an entire Batman the animated Series template. The same goes for Superman, the entire Justice League all of the villains and etc. What's sad is they have all of these guides, fans working for them and literal templates and bibles to go off of based off their comic books and their animated series of things that worked great before but they won't even take their own guidance. It just shows the stubbornness of the studio heads and the fact that they were so adamant about doing their own path different from the MCU, but maybe that's what they truly need to do. Having a clear-cut plan for the next several years because you care about your characters does not make you a copycat or "Steeler of ideas" of another studio. It makes you a honest and disciplined studio that shows their audience and fans that they clearly care about the properties they are about to invest millions of dollars in. I basically would like to see them do the formula and Marvel has approached without becoming the Marvel formula, and also not doing the same mistakes Marvel has where quantity has overcame quality. I am perfectly fine with each DC film taking four years to produce. Back in the '70s '80s and '90s, sometimes it would be years before we would see a continuation to a film or a sequel or spin off to its universe and most of the time that paid off. Big budget films like these are made far too quickly, the budgets are moved around, the project leads and crew are moved around far too much to where inconsistencies are shown on multiple levels in the production afterwards & they overwork their CGI artist and workers to quickly get it rushed out by a certain deadline rather than actually taking some care and time on a project. All of these are factors that DC will need to look at if they want to change the game and be different from Marvel on. If DC can fix all of these mistakes and problems Marvel has done in the past and take the time to produce perfect projects they could literally have the upper hand in the market and not just against Marvel. Only time will tell... But I'm not holding my breath this time. Great video pickle! - J🃏
Believe it or not I've been saying since BvS that they should stop and start over. They had some decent castings but bad movies and like pickle says they can't decide on a tone. Dark shouldn't be the tone they go with with the first time we see the justice league on screen
The crazy thing is. Dc owns all the rights to their characters. Marvel wishes they had that. They had to buy fox to get the X-Men ff and daredevil. They also have to make a deal with Sony just to use their biggest hero spider man. And marvel was able to create a cinematic universe. Dc has all the keys they just need to play them right
Yeah, hopefully WBD's new plan gets everything back on track, cuz I'm thinking of the potential of a DC interconnected universe and it's sad to think about how we're not currently meeting it. I'm honestly hoping for a full reboot.
I think there is going to be a complete reboot of the DCEU , i like Ben and Henry as Batman and Superman but i think after flash we are going to hear that everyone is getting a reboot in 3-4 years and just wipe the plate clean. No more Wonder Woman 3 , no aqua man 3 just start over.
I really really hope........As long as Mamoa, Gadot, and others from Snyder's universe stay, it will never truly be rebooted and the Snyder fans will never stop asking for more movies.
@@Dylasophical bro i think they should stop trying to be like marvel and stop building a cinematic universe. They should just focus on making solo films with no connections
Honestly pickle, this is nothing new for the WB. For the past 30 or more years they have really botched it with their IP‘s, not just DC. They don’t take care with their characters, they just look at them as profit makers.
They should be straight up WB discovery ... Is about the animals and other Carney discovery shows... They not into super hero movies especially Ones with color
This is what if type of fancast. just imagine what if DC's cinematic universe actually started in 1990s with a superman movie (1997) and then a green lantern movie (1999) and then a batman Arkham movie (2002) and then a justice league movie trilogy (2004) directed by George Miller. This is my fancast for the justice league 1 Brandon frasser as superman 2 John Hamm as batman 3 Rachel Weisz as wonder woman 4 Matt Damon as the flash 5 Tom cruise as hal Jordan/green lantern 6 Brad Pitt as aquaman 7 Lawrence fishburne as the Martian manhunter.
@@kaustubhpalkar792 But he wasn't well known in the 90s. If this was filmed in the 90's, you would probably see Bruce Willis as Batman, or Sly Stallone. And Leonardo Dicapprio as Flash.
The DCEU is a mess. We haven’t seen the DCU yet. None of the movies that Gunn will produce have been done. Superman Legacy isn’t made yet. The new Supergirl project isn’t made. No casting is announced yet. Let’s wait things out. I don’t like all his ideas. The Supergirl project is the idea I don’t like the most because that is most likely to be woke garbage. But I want to wait.
That can work, and I don't want all of the movies to necessarily feel the same......But you can just tell that they're randomly picking projects without any regard of what will make the best story.
First off, great video and I agree with all of your ideas. Never seen your channel before and gave a thumbs up. Now....1)solution for us who love the Dc superheroes and are starved for content: FORGET the movies. a lot of you young people have NEVER read or seen all or most of the GREAT art and stories of DC comic books from Silver Age to Copper Age. approx. 1967 to 1986. You can't read them all but it will keep you busy for a while and you will be enriched by all the great stories. Also you can do what "Philosophical.." has done and watch/buy the DC" great cartoon, Justice League Unlimited" as well as several great Batman cartoon movies. 3) the best solution: Pray, protest, encourage and writ to Gunn and others TO GET RID PERM OF WARNER BROTHERS. For all future DC movies , get a contract or sell the rights TO...Universal studios. Don't...DON'T TRUST or stay or try again, with Warner Hoes. Bankrupt them, whip them, kick them, bite them, yell at them but FOLD THEM. The DC Universe CAN'T WAIT 3 years for Gunn ot revamp or fix DC movies. they already have some projects and they won't do good and no, the Flash movie will flop. ALSO DON'T let the Rock Johnson promote ROCk movies disguised as DC superhero movies. GET HARLEY QUINN to make solo movies (no, not a musical!). The Final reason why DC is a mess is because Hollywood keeps hijacking characters and inserting WOKE stuff and cancelling all white girl and white male actresses and replacing them with black actors and actresses. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT you or I believe, what matters is that IT WILL APPEAR TO BE OBVIOUS TO MANY FANS that reverse racism and discrimination is happening to whites and asians AND YOU WILL LOSE MONEY.
How about a video on George Miller's cancelled justice league mortal movie and how DC's cinematic universe could have been if that movie was the start .
Just imagine if DCEU started like the DCAMU and was successful . What if this was the cast for the justice league 1 david giuntoli as superman 2 ian somerhalder as batman 3 Bridget Regan as wonder woman 4 Adam Brody as the flash 5 taylor kitsch as hal Jordan/green lantern 6 travis van winkle as aquaman 7 sterling k brown as the Martian manhunter 8 Alexandera Daddario as hawkgirl 9 Michael b Jordan as John Stewart/green lantern 10 Charlie Rowe as Wally west/ the flash
I honestly think they should shut it down and just make movies like Joker and The Batman. Just hire talented people to make good movies. As Marvel is finding out, the CU format leads to fatigue, samey feeling movies, and peaks and valleys in terms of quality. Just try to make the best movie possible and don’t middle man your directors Vision.
Thank goodness the Batgirl project got cancelled. She is my second favorite DC female character. I hated the casting choice. My choices are Jane Levy, Karen Gillian, or Zoey Deutch. They pick Leslie Grace from In the Heights. An actress that looks nothing like the character!! Why to make it for “Modern Audiences.” I was upset that this project was being made. When it was cancelled. I was happy. I cheered this announcement. I love Brendan Fraser but not excited at all about Leslie.
The way i see it Is the only way to save the dceu now Is connecting the really successful projects by a multiverse Like the joker is iin it's almost own universe And there is the snyder verse or what remains from it with latest addition to it being peace maket Etc And somehow having them all collide later in one universe
The Rock plans were canceled. What are you talking about? He got upset when they fired Henry Cavill. I heard Dwayne left. In a way he canceled his own ideas for the character which I think is a shame. Dwayne may not be a good actor but he is the only actor that may have the look to be this character. I could be wrong. There could be another actor I am not thinking of yet or don’t know.
Look, I know people love the snyder cut, but like 70% of that movie wouldn't have been necessary if the other league members had their own movies before justice league.
The people working at Marvel Studios, REALLY LOVE those characters, and it shows in the screen. DC Comics (my personal perception) it´s not managed under a creative vision, it´s pure executive decisions.
@@Dylasophical I was dying of laughter the whole movie. Especially when Harley got the power up from the crack mountain. LOL It's a trillion times better than the likes of Suicide Squad. It was slow, boring and took forever to get to the action. Harley carried that film.
@@Dylasophical is weird, is an absolute contradiction being CW. Is actualy really good writen, in mayority the cast is good and even fantastic and the graphics are not that bad being an show with "low budget"
Watching this video now especially after the news dropped about WW 3 being cancelled and Jason Momoa pretty much quitting after auqaman 2, Henry Cavill is probably has a 1% chance of returning as Superman and the dceu being rebooted just makes my day.
I mean Henry Cavill deserves better, my man just had bad direction in every film he was in. He acts more like Superman when he’s playing characters in different movies or just in real life in general, than when he’s actually played Superman. He could totally do a good job, he’s just been in sloppy ass movies that don’t understand what Superman is about
When you showed the pic of the justice league unlimited cartoon...👌 these characters deserve better. We're not marvel fan boys. Snyder bots or Batgirl lovers. We aren't on the bandwagon like these millions of troglodytes. The characters deserve better. Fans deserve better
All iv got to say is Jason and gal are probably the most sain actors out of all them considering all the rest either going through law and legal issues and other issues like Henry cavel coming back and getting the boot again it doesn't make sense they had the perfect cast now all these films don't make sense
Someone bring the ketchup to put on these Harshbrowns. Uff! Not to celebrate pessimism, but I am inclined to agree. While a rumor here and speculation there, has sustained the DC fanbase for the last 5 years, it is downright embarrassing what is happening with the handling of the DC properties. Looking at that 2014 slate, was a painful remainder that the DCEU once aspired to compete with the MCU. That notion is borderline laughable now. Now it's so bad, the fanbase itself is divided, as the Snyderverse has become more important to some than the DC characters themselves. All in all, it's looking pretty hopeless, without an actual plan and direction, beyond being told there will be one. I personally would love to see a complete overhaul and reset. If they keep taking too long, the general public will tire after the Marvel saturation, and then no super hero property will be profitable enough to invest like the MCU has. Would be beyond shameful to not see all the wonderful stories from DC come to life, simply because after so long, comic book movies are not longer worth investing in. 😕
You know it's a great video when you disagree, but still completely understand the reasoning I agree with almost everything you've said except the Batgirl cancellation. All of the decisions you mentioned besides that and the Wonder Twins cancellation (which I think we can agree was the right move) were made by the previous WB regimes. Those two most recent ones were made under Discovery and David Zaslav. I actually do feel that the leadership here has been bold and some common sense is finally being employed. Sure, DC has a spotty track record, but I've been in favor of everything Zaslav has done so far. Batgirl was reportedly a horrible movie, somewhere between Morbius and Hallie Berry Catwoman level bad. They also felt that it was too big to put on HBO Max, but not good enough for a theatrical release, so the most financially viable move to them was to, instead of spending more of the shareholder's money on finishing post-production and running a costly marketing campaign regardless of the distribution method, just scrap it and get the tax benefits. Even if it is questionable and shockingly quick, it shows a devotion to not putting out crap. That's something worth having a bit of hope for, the way I see it, but I understand your point of view considering their spotty track record.
That's the thing......Even if we disagree on what movies we want or wat direction the universe should go in, we can agree that it's been a shit storm of inconsistencies.
Yeah, they need to do better! They had two almost finished movies and they canceled them! That's messed up! They should publish the movies and take the hate for them! They may have been cheesy,but some people will pay money to see them!
WB are just making DCEU a mess atleast there should be something like a DC Studios that could work without WB getting involvement in the production movies
When MOS came out in 2013, the MCU already had 5 years of momentum. If WB had been patient. If WB had been MATURE. If WB hadn’t been so GREEDY, they *could* have had the level of success the MCU had by 2018. Instead they’re drowning in unwanted titles and 14 different directions. And the ROCK. You know why the Rock is so happy? It’s because everything WB is about to be him. He couldn’t give a damn if other titles come out. He’s fixing to make Black Adam the new Superman just off how charismatic and white his smile is.
Birds of Prey wasn't terrible wtf and it's not WBs fault Warner Bros Discovery cancelled Batgirl DCEU can't thrive cause WB keeps getting sold, everything you're saying could be true but the company keeps getting sold y'all weren't excited for most of these movies hoping for a hard reboot 🤷🏾♂️ And Joker and The Batman aren't part of the DCEU wtf keep them out of this.
@@tymac9127 it wasn't bad, it was terrible! And the promo movie was as bad as Charlie Angels (2019) I can't understand why they don't fire those people yet... Oh, who I am kidding, we all know why.
real talk the dceu doesn't need a reboot they need to finish off the story they started they keep giving us fuckin filler respectfully I don't care about any movie they've announced we need an in universe batman movie or show and a in universe superman sequel stop with the "hopeful and optimistic" crap it's been hopeful it's just not in your face. I loved snyder's dc movies cuz they had a sense of realism and fantastical elements and I don't give 2 fucks about batman killing ppl unless it fits the story and it did they really only fumbled superman in bvs that's about it. Hopefully they get they're shit tg I just want good movies consistently...
To be honest, I don't like Snyder's universe and I wanted it gone a long time ago.....but I wanted them to have a plan when they ended it. It has become a shit show.
@@Dylasophical Snyders universe is just for adults and people keep wanting red underwear superman from the 40s and I just don’t care about that. I found the stories in man of steel and bvs very believable (for a superhero movie ) because they showcase a more human level to the emotions of these characters. They are not infallible and I appreciate that. Superman has doubts in what his purpose is and struggles to find his place, Batman has been fighting crime for 20 years, lost robin and is incredibly jaded and really just doesn’t give a fuck anymore which is believable for a guy who dresses as a bat and beats people up and it takes him meeting with superman to restore any type of hope into him not to mention how awesome the Snyder cut was with the introduction of darkseid even though they they did try to catch up with marvel which was a huge mistake I actually think Zack Snyder did really good with what he was given. Man of steel -> BvS (ultimate cut ) -> Wonder Woman -> aquaman --> zack Snyder Justice is a solid list of movies. Henry cavil is who people think of now when you say superman and it’s not for no reason. I also like the fact that DC is darker because it is contrasts marvel who likes to do jokes in everything and keep it light hearted. I mean look at what we just got with Thor love and thunder. I do not want the Dc characters Turning into that mess. I appreciate the maturity that Snyder gave us
@@Dylasophical what are your reasons for not liking his universe sir pls dont give the typical "too dark" or "batman kills" bc the Arkham games are darker than any dc movie released under snyder and come on batman was tired of ppls shit in bvs he didn't care anymore it fit the story well one of the best interpretations of batman imo I always thought the no kill thing was a JOKE about batman and superman was very hopeful just not unrealistically hopeful in snyder's films.
Discovery is in charge. They haven't established DC studios that is the main problem. Warner brothers constantly interfering is the other. Once DC studios is established all WB will do is cut the check
1:40 to be fair they were working on batgirl way before Discovery took over, I don't think this is bad, warner had the worst direction ever before, now they might just focus on Quality instead of just trying to catch up to Marvel, who knows maybe if they indeed do a connected universe they might put robert's batman on it meanwhile we have an actual Superman on the big screen
DC created the superhero genre with Superman: The Movie and set the bar very high with Nolan's trilogy and he was the first to represent superheroines well in cinema and tv
I feel like saying "DCEU is a complete mess" has been said hundreds of times by a hundred different people. It's right. I agree but this is very overused.
Well I was trying to figure out what to call the video, and I didn't want to be too hyperbolic lol. I had some other titles in mind, but I went with "mess". But I agree.
I very much agree that the best thing to do would be to burn it all down and start a new!
The DC roster of characters heroes and villains all deserve more than they have been getting from the studio that owns them but the trick is they need to stop hiring controversial directors and writers who clearly announce and show the public that they don't actually love the characters that they're writing origin stories to.
Hiring David S. Goyer to write Superman and Batman was a bad decision & interesting Zack Snyder to create an entire universe and vision for them was not smart either.
However, them attempting to come up with ideas hasn't worked either so clearly they need a Kevin feige type leader to hone everybody in and control the situation a little bit better.
For crying out loud they have multiple great creators in charge of their comic book division that have been doing an excellent job preserving the integrity of key characters there is no reason they can't hire one of them to be in charge of the cinematic universe at this point.
I just want Warner Brothers & DC to care about all of their characters and how they are represented and make sure that they create a universe worth investing our time in as they did in the 90s when they created the DC animated universe.
We should be getting Batman stories just as good as Batman anime series because we have an entire Batman the animated Series template.
The same goes for Superman, the entire Justice League all of the villains and etc.
What's sad is they have all of these guides, fans working for them and literal templates and bibles to go off of based off their comic books and their animated series of things that worked great before but they won't even take their own guidance.
It just shows the stubbornness of the studio heads and the fact that they were so adamant about doing their own path different from the MCU, but maybe that's what they truly need to do.
Having a clear-cut plan for the next several years because you care about your characters does not make you a copycat or "Steeler of ideas" of another studio.
It makes you a honest and disciplined studio that shows their audience and fans that they clearly care about the properties they are about to invest millions of dollars in.
I basically would like to see them do the formula and Marvel has approached without becoming the Marvel formula, and also not doing the same mistakes Marvel has where quantity has overcame quality.
I am perfectly fine with each DC film taking four years to produce.
Back in the '70s '80s and '90s, sometimes it would be years before we would see a continuation to a film or a sequel or spin off to its universe and most of the time that paid off.
Big budget films like these are made far too quickly, the budgets are moved around, the project leads and crew are moved around far too much to where inconsistencies are shown on multiple levels in the production afterwards & they overwork their CGI artist and workers to quickly get it rushed out by a certain deadline rather than actually taking some care and time on a project.
All of these are factors that DC will need to look at if they want to change the game and be different from Marvel on.
If DC can fix all of these mistakes and problems Marvel has done in the past and take the time to produce perfect projects they could literally have the upper hand in the market and not just against Marvel.
Only time will tell... But I'm not holding my breath this time.
Great video pickle! - J🃏
Damn, Mista J. A whole dissertation on the state of the DCEU, and I love it.
Believe it or not I've been saying since BvS that they should stop and start over. They had some decent castings but bad movies and like pickle says they can't decide on a tone. Dark shouldn't be the tone they go with with the first time we see the justice league on screen
Superman hasn't had a movie since 2013!
It's crazy.....
Hear, hear! Couldn't agree more. Burn it all down and restart with a shared vision, story and direction among all producers, writers and directors.
The best option is to erase the DCEU and create a new cinematic universe from the scratch with new actors playing the role.
They should reboot DCEU!
The crazy thing is. Dc owns all the rights to their characters. Marvel wishes they had that. They had to buy fox to get the X-Men ff and daredevil. They also have to make a deal with Sony just to use their biggest hero spider man. And marvel was able to create a cinematic universe. Dc has all the keys they just need to play them right
They merged with AT&T and then Discovery. That honestly feels illegal
It's 2022 and we still don't have a Man of Steel 2 😒
And we won’t because Zack Snyder doesn’t know shit about Superman. Feel bad for Cavill though.
Yeah, hopefully WBD's new plan gets everything back on track, cuz I'm thinking of the potential of a DC interconnected universe and it's sad to think about how we're not currently meeting it. I'm honestly hoping for a full reboot.
We can only hope that DC casts Krasinski so he can't be Mr. Fantastic........Fingers crossed!
@@Dylasophical Oh you.
I think there is going to be a complete reboot of the DCEU , i like Ben and Henry as Batman and Superman but i think after flash we are going to hear that everyone is getting a reboot in 3-4 years and just wipe the plate clean. No more Wonder Woman 3 , no aqua man 3 just start over.
I really really hope........As long as Mamoa, Gadot, and others from Snyder's universe stay, it will never truly be rebooted and the Snyder fans will never stop asking for more movies.
@@Dylasophical bro i think they should stop trying to be like marvel and stop building a cinematic universe. They should just focus on making solo films with no connections
Irony is DC did the best shared universe first with DCAU......and they still fumbled with movies
It's honestly weird how they nail the animated movies, but not the live action ones.
DC needs to become *Perfectly balanced as all things should Be.*
Great reference.
The best movies are the semi stand alone ones. They should just give up an release non connected movies
Honestly pickle, this is nothing new for the WB. For the past 30 or more years they have really botched it with their IP‘s, not just DC. They don’t take care with their characters, they just look at them as profit makers.
Yep....... :(
They should be straight up
WB discovery ... Is about the animals
and other Carney discovery shows...
They not into super hero movies especially
Ones with color
I kinda feel bad for DC Comics
This is what if type of fancast. just imagine what if DC's cinematic universe actually started in 1990s with a superman movie (1997) and then a green lantern movie (1999) and then a batman Arkham movie (2002) and then a justice league movie trilogy (2004) directed by George Miller.
This is my fancast for the justice league
1 Brandon frasser as superman
2 John Hamm as batman
3 Rachel Weisz as wonder woman
4 Matt Damon as the flash
5 Tom cruise as hal Jordan/green lantern
6 Brad Pitt as aquaman
7 Lawrence fishburne as the Martian manhunter.
Josh Hartnett - Superman, Eric Bana- Batman, Will Smith- Green Lantern, Paul Walker- Aquaman, Monica Belluci - Wonder Woman, Keanu Reeves - Flash
@@kaustubhpalkar792 True. He would be good. Also Josh Brolin would have been good too.
@@nerychristian but honestly John Hamm is the best choice for batman.
@@kaustubhpalkar792 But he wasn't well known in the 90s. If this was filmed in the 90's, you would probably see Bruce Willis as Batman, or Sly Stallone. And Leonardo Dicapprio as Flash.
@@nerychristian the batman movie is in the 2000
Hey atleast where getting a full reboot where we are reintroduced to superheroes before teaming everybody up in a new remake of Justice League
The DCEU is a mess. We haven’t seen the DCU yet. None of the movies that Gunn will produce have been done. Superman Legacy isn’t made yet. The new Supergirl project isn’t made. No casting is announced yet. Let’s wait things out. I don’t like all his ideas. The Supergirl project is the idea I don’t like the most because that is most likely to be woke garbage. But I want to wait.
Yeah dc is kind of a mess right now even though I do like some of their movies
I feel like DC has been treating their live action like their animated movies.
Where the next film doesn't have to match up tonally or even connected.
That can work, and I don't want all of the movies to necessarily feel the same......But you can just tell that they're randomly picking projects without any regard of what will make the best story.
@@Dylasophical facts
First off, great video and I agree with all of your ideas. Never seen your channel before and gave a thumbs up. Now....1)solution for us who love the Dc superheroes and are starved for content: FORGET the movies. a lot of you young people have NEVER read or seen all or most of the GREAT art and stories of DC comic books from Silver Age to Copper Age. approx. 1967 to 1986. You can't read them all but it will keep you busy for a while and you will be enriched by all the great stories. Also you can do what "Philosophical.." has done and watch/buy the DC" great cartoon, Justice League Unlimited" as well as several great Batman cartoon movies. 3) the best solution: Pray, protest, encourage and writ to Gunn and others TO GET RID PERM OF WARNER BROTHERS. For all future DC movies , get a contract or sell the rights TO...Universal studios. Don't...DON'T TRUST or stay or try again, with Warner Hoes. Bankrupt them, whip them, kick them, bite them, yell at them but FOLD THEM. The DC Universe CAN'T WAIT 3 years for Gunn ot revamp or fix DC movies. they already have some projects and they won't do good and no, the Flash movie will flop. ALSO DON'T let the Rock Johnson promote ROCk movies disguised as DC superhero movies. GET HARLEY QUINN to make solo movies (no, not a musical!). The Final reason why DC is a mess is because Hollywood keeps hijacking characters and inserting WOKE stuff and cancelling all white girl and white male actresses and replacing them with black actors and actresses. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT you or I believe, what matters is that IT WILL APPEAR TO BE OBVIOUS TO MANY FANS that reverse racism and discrimination is happening to whites and asians AND YOU WILL LOSE MONEY.
How about a video on George Miller's cancelled justice league mortal movie and how DC's cinematic universe could have been if that movie was the start .
You REALLY want to see that video lol
@@Dylasophical yeah
Kevin feige even wrote a condolences letter to the Batgirl directors.
Yep yep, I saw that!
Just imagine if DCEU started like the DCAMU and was successful . What if this was the cast for the justice league
1 david giuntoli as superman
2 ian somerhalder as batman
3 Bridget Regan as wonder woman
4 Adam Brody as the flash
5 taylor kitsch as hal Jordan/green lantern
6 travis van winkle as aquaman
7 sterling k brown as the Martian manhunter
8 Alexandera Daddario as hawkgirl
9 Michael b Jordan as John Stewart/green lantern
10 Charlie Rowe as Wally west/ the flash
Booster Gold wasn’t cancelled. James Gunn moved it to be part of his first phase. WTF! Some of the critique I agree with.
I honestly think they should shut it down and just make movies like Joker and The Batman. Just hire talented people to make good movies. As Marvel is finding out, the CU format leads to fatigue, samey feeling movies, and peaks and valleys in terms of quality. Just try to make the best movie possible and don’t middle man your directors Vision.
Meanwhile Channing Tatum's FOX's gambit : 💀
At this point, I would even accept a bi yearly Big Three movie (Batman, WW or Superman) . Anything is better than shoddy seconds and cancellations
Feb 2023: This is aging so well
Thank goodness the Batgirl project got cancelled. She is my second favorite DC female character. I hated the casting choice. My choices are Jane Levy, Karen Gillian, or Zoey Deutch. They pick Leslie Grace from In the Heights. An actress that looks nothing like the character!! Why to make it for “Modern Audiences.” I was upset that this project was being made. When it was cancelled. I was happy. I cheered this announcement. I love Brendan Fraser but not excited at all about Leslie.
I love DC too 😢😢😢 and I hate what they do. The cartoon version is so much better too ❤❤
The way i see it
Is the only way to save the dceu now
Is connecting the really successful projects by a multiverse
Like the joker is iin it's almost own universe
And there is the snyder verse or what remains from it with latest addition to it being peace maket
Etc
And somehow having them all collide later in one universe
Oh they're definitely headed to a multiversal story in the next decade. Maybe Crisis On Infinite Earths or something.
I liked the James Gunn movie.
How about your fancast video for the justice league for a new rebooted DC cinematic universe
Well I already did that last year on one of my streams, but maybe I can do it again with updated picks.
@@Dylasophical ok
The Rock plans were canceled. What are you talking about? He got upset when they fired Henry Cavill. I heard Dwayne left. In a way he canceled his own ideas for the character which I think is a shame. Dwayne may not be a good actor but he is the only actor that may have the look to be this character. I could be wrong. There could be another actor I am not thinking of yet or don’t know.
Look, I know people love the snyder cut, but like 70% of that movie wouldn't have been necessary if the other league members had their own movies before justice league.
Absolutely.
The people working at Marvel Studios, REALLY LOVE those characters, and it shows in the screen. DC Comics (my personal perception) it´s not managed under a creative vision, it´s pure executive decisions.
"The people working at Marvel Studios, REALLY LOVE those characters, and it shows in the screen."
This already aged like milk.
@@sonicdash9652 They sure as hell love thier characters more than garbage ass DCancelation
WAIT, THERE WAS A BATGIRL MOVIE?!!!WTF
I actually like how the DC movies are loosely connected. It allows for there to be more variety.
I'll belive it when I see it as well
Out of entire Snyderverse only the Justice League needs a reboot, the rest can stay as it is. Really tells you how bad Snyders vision is lol
Birds of Prey is a laugh riot. Birds of Prey and terrible don't belong in the same sentence.
Interesting.......I'm glad you liked it lol
@@Dylasophical I was dying of laughter the whole movie. Especially when Harley got the power up from the crack mountain. LOL It's a trillion times better than the likes of Suicide Squad. It was slow, boring and took forever to get to the action. Harley carried that film.
Please review birds of prey.
Hmmm, maybe one day if I review the DCEU movies. I would rip into that movie so hard.....
We don't need a reboot. Just a direct doing a reboot this far in the game is a waste of time.
I very much agree with you it seems like at this point they are just mocking Dc fans
that part with the candy bars made me laugh =)
I'm glad to hear that :)
The only two shows that im really worry is Superman & Lois and Pacemaker....
I still need to watch Superman & Lois.
@@Dylasophical is weird, is an absolute contradiction being CW. Is actualy really good writen, in mayority the cast is good and even fantastic and the graphics are not that bad being an show with "low budget"
Wanna know what makes it even more frustrating? Their Animated movies are epic! Why can they make one part epic and one part shite?
Watching this video now especially after the news dropped about WW 3 being cancelled and Jason Momoa pretty much quitting after auqaman 2, Henry Cavill is probably has a 1% chance of returning as Superman and the dceu being rebooted just makes my day.
I mean Henry Cavill deserves better, my man just had bad direction in every film he was in. He acts more like Superman when he’s playing characters in different movies or just in real life in general, than when he’s actually played Superman. He could totally do a good job, he’s just been in sloppy ass movies that don’t understand what Superman is about
When you showed the pic of the justice league unlimited cartoon...👌 these characters deserve better. We're not marvel fan boys. Snyder bots or Batgirl lovers. We aren't on the bandwagon like these millions of troglodytes. The characters deserve better. Fans deserve better
YES. Give us the true Justice League.
All iv got to say is Jason and gal are probably the most sain actors out of all them considering all the rest either going through law and legal issues and other issues like Henry cavel coming back and getting the boot again it doesn't make sense they had the perfect cast now all these films don't make sense
We know all these problems, why you think zaslov entered the room with and Axe?
The arrowverse was the only connected dc universe in live action
Amazing video as always. I'm excited to see your channel blow up 🖐
Thanks buddy!......Me too! Hahahaha
Fair arguments. 👍
BTW, that's not what bipolar means. Please don't use it that way. ✌️
Dc has been doing best disconnected how was The Batman arguably the best dc movie since Man of Steel came out
Someone bring the ketchup to put on these Harshbrowns. Uff!
Not to celebrate pessimism, but I am inclined to agree. While a rumor here and speculation there, has sustained the DC fanbase for the last 5 years, it is downright embarrassing what is happening with the handling of the DC properties. Looking at that 2014 slate, was a painful remainder that the DCEU once aspired to compete with the MCU. That notion is borderline laughable now. Now it's so bad, the fanbase itself is divided, as the Snyderverse has become more important to some than the DC characters themselves. All in all, it's looking pretty hopeless, without an actual plan and direction, beyond being told there will be one. I personally would love to see a complete overhaul and reset. If they keep taking too long, the general public will tire after the Marvel saturation, and then no super hero property will be profitable enough to invest like the MCU has. Would be beyond shameful to not see all the wonderful stories from DC come to life, simply because after so long, comic book movies are not longer worth investing in. 😕
Well said.
what you said about batgirl was 100% facts
Come on DC !! Yall was First !!
I think it’s the MCU at this point.
DC cartoons>Marvel character development>DC characters>
MCU>
Dceu>
Marvel characters>MCU>> DC characters>>dceu characters
You know it's a great video when you disagree, but still completely understand the reasoning I agree with almost everything you've said except the Batgirl cancellation. All of the decisions you mentioned besides that and the Wonder Twins cancellation (which I think we can agree was the right move) were made by the previous WB regimes. Those two most recent ones were made under Discovery and David Zaslav. I actually do feel that the leadership here has been bold and some common sense is finally being employed. Sure, DC has a spotty track record, but I've been in favor of everything Zaslav has done so far. Batgirl was reportedly a horrible movie, somewhere between Morbius and Hallie Berry Catwoman level bad. They also felt that it was too big to put on HBO Max, but not good enough for a theatrical release, so the most financially viable move to them was to, instead of spending more of the shareholder's money on finishing post-production and running a costly marketing campaign regardless of the distribution method, just scrap it and get the tax benefits. Even if it is questionable and shockingly quick, it shows a devotion to not putting out crap. That's something worth having a bit of hope for, the way I see it, but I understand your point of view considering their spotty track record.
That's the thing......Even if we disagree on what movies we want or wat direction the universe should go in, we can agree that it's been a shit storm of inconsistencies.
Yeah, wait and see.
Yeah, they need to do better!
They had two almost finished movies and they canceled them!
That's messed up!
They should publish the movies and take the hate for them!
They may have been cheesy,but some people will pay money to see them!
Soft Reboot
WB are just making DCEU a mess atleast there should be something like a DC Studios that could work without WB getting involvement in the production movies
You know that a DC Studios was created a few weeks ago right?
Boy do I have news for you...
#RESPECTDC
Dc live action is trash but their animated movies : Bateman,justice league etc are amazing
I miss the Legends. 😒
When MOS came out in 2013, the MCU already had 5 years of momentum. If WB had been patient. If WB had been MATURE. If WB hadn’t been so GREEDY, they *could* have had the level of success the MCU had by 2018. Instead they’re drowning in unwanted titles and 14 different directions.
And the ROCK. You know why the Rock is so happy? It’s because everything WB is about to be him. He couldn’t give a damn if other titles come out. He’s fixing to make Black Adam the new Superman just off how charismatic and white his smile is.
Birds of Prey wasn't terrible wtf and it's not WBs fault Warner Bros Discovery cancelled Batgirl DCEU can't thrive cause WB keeps getting sold, everything you're saying could be true but the company keeps getting sold y'all weren't excited for most of these movies hoping for a hard reboot 🤷🏾♂️
And Joker and The Batman aren't part of the DCEU wtf keep them out of this.
@@fatmanjstyle5306BVS was bad Birds definitely wasn't perfect but it was not bad.
@@tymac9127 it wasn't bad, it was terrible! And the promo movie was as bad as Charlie Angels (2019) I can't understand why they don't fire those people yet... Oh, who I am kidding, we all know why.
Facts
My thoughts exactly
I just want Snyderverse.
And some how I still prefer them over the garbage and woke mcu
Great choice mate 👍
what
@@arongebremedhin9764 lol
@@romibengali ‘woke’ is not a valid criticism 😂😂
@@arongebremedhin9764 Says the guy who doesn't even know what actual criticism means 🤣
Great video
Thanks buddy!
@@Dylasophical your welcome
Its probably a good thing Batgirl was cancelled, would've been super woke.
Exactly
Discovery🤢🤢🤢🤢
Word
Dude, even a regular goldfish has only a four-second attention span. That's kinda overkill at this point.
I meant what I said. LOL
real talk the dceu doesn't need a reboot they need to finish off the story they started they keep giving us fuckin filler respectfully I don't care about any movie they've announced we need an in universe batman movie or show and a in universe superman sequel stop with the "hopeful and optimistic" crap it's been hopeful it's just not in your face. I loved snyder's dc movies cuz they had a sense of realism and fantastical elements and I don't give 2 fucks about batman killing ppl unless it fits the story and it did they really only fumbled superman in bvs that's about it. Hopefully they get they're shit tg I just want good movies consistently...
To be honest, I don't like Snyder's universe and I wanted it gone a long time ago.....but I wanted them to have a plan when they ended it. It has become a shit show.
@@Dylasophical Snyders universe is just for adults and people keep wanting red underwear superman from the 40s and I just don’t care about that. I found the stories in man of steel and bvs very believable (for a superhero movie ) because they showcase a more human level to the emotions of these characters. They are not infallible and I appreciate that. Superman has doubts in what his purpose is and struggles to find his place, Batman has been fighting crime for 20 years, lost robin and is incredibly jaded and really just doesn’t give a fuck anymore which is believable for a guy who dresses as a bat and beats people up and it takes him meeting with superman to restore any type of hope into him not to mention how awesome the Snyder cut was with the introduction of darkseid even though they they did try to catch up with marvel which was a huge mistake I actually think Zack Snyder did really good with what he was given. Man of steel -> BvS (ultimate cut ) -> Wonder Woman -> aquaman --> zack Snyder Justice is a solid list of movies. Henry cavil is who people think of now when you say superman and it’s not for no reason. I also like the fact that DC is darker because it is contrasts marvel who likes to do jokes in everything and keep it light hearted. I mean look at what we just got with Thor love and thunder. I do not want the Dc characters Turning into that mess. I appreciate the maturity that Snyder gave us
@@Dylasophical th-cam.com/video/mlqGOlzUCQU/w-d-xo.html I mean how could you not want more of this. Man is literally more intimidating than Thanos
@@Dylasophical what are your reasons for not liking his universe sir pls dont give the typical "too dark" or "batman kills" bc the Arkham games are darker than any dc movie released under snyder and come on batman was tired of ppls shit in bvs he didn't care anymore it fit the story well one of the best interpretations of batman imo I always thought the no kill thing was a JOKE about batman and superman was very hopeful just not unrealistically hopeful in snyder's films.
I like you. You look like Pedro Pascal.
Ayyyyyy, thanks!
Discovery is in charge.
They haven't established DC studios that is the main problem. Warner brothers constantly interfering is the other. Once DC studios is established all WB will do is cut the check
1:40 to be fair they were working on batgirl way before Discovery took over, I don't think this is bad, warner had the worst direction ever before, now they might just focus on Quality instead of just trying to catch up to Marvel, who knows maybe if they indeed do a connected universe they might put robert's batman on it meanwhile we have an actual Superman on the big screen
I hope they prove me wrong and steer the ship into the right direction!
This is a great video lol
Thank you!
Dc is trash
No
DC created the superhero genre with Superman: The Movie and set the bar very high with Nolan's trilogy and he was the first to represent superheroines well in cinema and tv
Their cinematic universe fiasco and modern comics are trash but outside of that everything is good.
Dc is not trash, Dceu is trash
Birds of prey is good
I feel like saying "DCEU is a complete mess" has been said hundreds of times by a hundred different people. It's right. I agree but this is very overused.
Well I was trying to figure out what to call the video, and I didn't want to be too hyperbolic lol. I had some other titles in mind, but I went with "mess". But I agree.
WW84 is ok