SHOCKING Questions in Games Workshop's SECRET SURVEY!!

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  • @DiscourseMinis
    @DiscourseMinis  2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

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    • @sarchlalaith8836
      @sarchlalaith8836 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm on reddit, I don't join most 40k groups here or there, fill of fanbois wan**s that just spend all day slobbering on gws c**k. F**k those s**t heads, honestly you're better off without that bs lass. You do get a bit ranty but it's entirely justified so who cares what that sack of turds thinks?
      You do you do lass, we like your honesty

    • @19Crusader91
      @19Crusader91 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      "for the last 2 months i havent bought mutch" How adorable. I have been doing it for 2 years. I dont plan on supporting a company that keeps doing all these nasty fucked up buisness practices.

    • @berry8932
      @berry8932 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@19Crusader91 xD jeah, when i heared about these 2 month I thought about the same.

    • @akumaking1
      @akumaking1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Discourse.
      Do you ever take commissions or suggestions? Because I want to see a Skaven Verminlord kitbashed into Mickey Mouse; mocking two companies at the same time!

    • @TheSuitness
      @TheSuitness 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Man, I can not believe how much I relate to literally every single answer you gave them on that survey 😅 I'm ded 💀🤣

  • @raeishimura
    @raeishimura 2 ปีที่แล้ว +91

    I nearly died at the "how much do you spend on Warhammer per month" question having "under 20€" as an option. I didn't think they sell ANYTHING for that low. I'd have expected that question to START at 60

    • @tobiasboh3370
      @tobiasboh3370 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I used to get by that (as a painting-focussed hobbyist) with the easy to build kits. You could also buy paints in that budget if you can stomach Citadel pots I guess lol

    • @timothylyons5686
      @timothylyons5686 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Two pots of paint and a brush.

    • @trolleymouse
      @trolleymouse 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I think the idea is you don't buy every month.

    • @pezpengy9308
      @pezpengy9308 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      the magazine. its about all i buy nowadays, and then only because im bored and theres a store next door to mine that sells it.

    • @40KWill
      @40KWill 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Whitedwarf?

  • @sacrificetosotec
    @sacrificetosotec 2 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    interesting take. I'm in the Battletech community and we have had a TON of warhammer refugees recently. So many times the same questions "What do I need to buy" (Whatever you want) "what's good" (everything when used right) "how often are new rulebooks released?" (You can use any rulebook ever published for classic btech, it's never really changed). I listen to so much of the angst in warhammer (I played Rogue Trader to 5th Edition) and wonder why I took so long to get off the GW drain train.

    • @_vinterthorn
      @_vinterthorn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Most WH refuguess I've talked to were awestruck when told that you don't even need terrain for BT - a starter box and the hex maps will suffice.

    • @thenathanimal2909
      @thenathanimal2909 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I played the original Battletech in the 80's and 90's. Is the current edition more balanced?

    • @someirishguy1662
      @someirishguy1662 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Damn, even im interested in that

    • @sacrificetosotec
      @sacrificetosotec 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@thenathanimal2909 It is the same game with some very minor changes that make more sense (like partial cover blocks hits on legs instead of causing hit to go to the punch to hit table). There are more weapon systems, ECM and anti-missile systems, and ammo types (most people only use those in campaign style play). Consistency has been their watchword. The new Alpha Strike rules are for larger unit actions and quite quick but lose all the nice crunchiness of classic battletech.

    • @spartanalex9006
      @spartanalex9006 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thenathanimal2909 The Guass Rifle is still OP and we like it that way.

  • @JMcMillen
    @JMcMillen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    I think the big thing GW is missing is that other companies are able to make and sell games and miniatures at a vastly lower price point. There aren't nearly as many books to buy and the ones that do come out are better priced. Not to mention that other companies are producing good miniatures at lower prices. Cadians are $50 for 10 guys while Stargrave has boxes of 20 miniatures for around $30. Even Kingdom Death is starting to look more reasonably priced than Warhammer.
    Anytime people say that Warhammer is a luxury hobby, I just point out that other companies are proving that it doesn't have to be as expensive as GW makes it out to be.

    • @Jonathan-sk5wy
      @Jonathan-sk5wy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      See, games workshop IS able to do that too, they just... don't.

  • @benbingham2238
    @benbingham2238 2 ปีที่แล้ว +153

    I got the survey and managed to completely fill it out even with blasting them over their terrible business practices. I also gave them very critical review on Warhammer+

    • @rustyspoony
      @rustyspoony 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Same here. I didn't even know it was some super-secret survey when I got it. I was pretty rough and talked about how their practices completely turned me off of GW products. Nowadays the only GW products I buy are Blood Bowl, because other than that there are so many superior (and cheaper) games from other companies.

    • @Lulu-th5bo
      @Lulu-th5bo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Yeah completely went to town on warhammer+, and explained how I’m disappointed with there business practices on my lunch break lol. Did not realise this was a secret survey though.

    • @robwallace6787
      @robwallace6787 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I also gave them a full and frank review; I'm really surprised that this was a secret survey, I wonder how they selected their participants?

    • @schemesof40k
      @schemesof40k 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You got {+}?

    • @benbingham2238
      @benbingham2238 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@schemesof40k yeah not that impressive

  • @grimlock5990
    @grimlock5990 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Most companies will do these surveys and completely ignore data they don't like.
    Executives only want to know what they are doing right.
    I expect nothing to come of this.
    Great video, thanks for taking us along for the ride.
    I am super excited to see the old world too!

  • @darko-man8549
    @darko-man8549 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    @27:30 - it's ironic that a lot of the changes GW made were in the name of "steram lining" and "ease of access" for all those poor, fresh faces that don't realise what they are getting into - becasue, bottom line, GW's main focus are naive, new customers.
    I miss templates

  • @KT-pv3kl
    @KT-pv3kl 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Not a single mention of 3D printing one of the greatest revolutions to the entire hobby and tabletop gaming and the fastest growing field in all of wargaming....
    Really shows how much GW is trying to ignore the topic kicking and screaming all the way to the end. I fear that GW will end like kodak or the other industry defining companies that ignored emerging digital technologies and suddenly found themselves to be massively outdated and out of buisness.

    • @thenathanimal2909
      @thenathanimal2909 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      For real. I can print a 2K army of superior models (or models I digitally kitbash myself) for like $40

  • @ManicEngine
    @ManicEngine 2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Glad you did this walkthrough for us. Kind of get the feel that someone very senior wanted a warts and all survey done rather than a massaged in-house marketing survey.

  • @charlesentrekin140
    @charlesentrekin140 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Many years ago I worked at a hobby gaming store in Pennsylvania. At that time the North American headquarters of gamesworkshop was in Glen Burnie Maryland. As soon as we got our initial stock in a group from Glen Burnie came-up help to set up the displays and on the following week they returned and ran a tournament at our store. The whole company was very behind tournaments back then. I asked the guy in charge of the group that came down why. He told me that the plan was to get people hooked on the tournament scene because they thought at that time that people would buy all of the available armies so they could remain competitive. And when a New Codex would come out they would buy the new hotness to make their army competitive again.

  • @patrickdillon500
    @patrickdillon500 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    @discourseminiatures having a council of minis she has named and uses them as her "friends" is one of my favorite head canons.

  • @vladimirpalik6697
    @vladimirpalik6697 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    OMG that "Alone" series of questions was both tremendously funny and scary AF.

  • @daedalus6796
    @daedalus6796 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    The highlight of my time in the hobby was when Games Workshop contracted Tolkien to write books based on their tabletop game Middle Earth Strategy Battle.

    • @Furzkampfbomber
      @Furzkampfbomber 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Considering when and where Tolkien started to develop the idea for those books - does that actually mean that GW is behind WW 1? oO

    • @pinoarias8601
      @pinoarias8601 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I loved it when they invented the elf

    • @mikehendon7327
      @mikehendon7327 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Warhammer appropriating and taking credit for pre-existing cultures and works like they're China, these days...

    • @MightyEmperor
      @MightyEmperor 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Furzkampfbomber Archduke Franz Ferdinand's wounds look suspiciously like those created by an Exitus Rifle... 🤔

    • @Furzkampfbomber
      @Furzkampfbomber 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MightyEmperor I've also heard that a GW employee was was adressed with the words _"Et tu, Brute?"_ once...

  • @mikedydynski6902
    @mikedydynski6902 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I had no idea this was a secret survey. I filled this out a week or two ago. There was a significant airing of grievances

  • @kmoecub
    @kmoecub 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The decline of 40K started with the loss of Rick Priestly. I still wonder what would have happened if the roleplay aspect of Rogue Trader had been fully explored.

    • @markwatson8714
      @markwatson8714 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      They'd have probably came up with some kind of skirmish game, possibly centred around the Inquisition, which would have received patchy support for a couple of years before being completely sidelined so they could pursue the LotR license. Oh, wait ...

  • @lilcwa
    @lilcwa 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Classic FASA BattleTech was an absolutely superb sci-fi skirmish game, and the quality of its lore (specifically, during the Succession War era), puts most of what GW has published for 40K to shame. If you ever come across one of the old books, check out the flavor, and I think you’ll agree.

    • @davidbowles7281
      @davidbowles7281 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Big parts of it didn't make much sense, but it was better than current 40K.

    • @MOrab46019
      @MOrab46019 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was hoping to see Dark Hersey was going to be on the list. My group still plays that. We use Battle Gothic ships for space combat. Battletech is my favorite system. Most of the basic rules haven't changed. The equipment has and you can work that into the rules. That is what I love.

    • @markwatson8714
      @markwatson8714 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Most of the novels are readily available as e-books these days. I still consider Stackpole's Warrior and Blood of Kerensky trilogies as some of the finest sci-fi ever written.

    • @browaffle1268
      @browaffle1268 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@markwatson8714 110% with you on that. Recently finished reading them and I put them right at the top of some of my favorite recent reads.

  • @mikewhitaker2880
    @mikewhitaker2880 2 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    its a shame that i wont EVER get to fill this survey out... but then, it's been long enough since i spent my money on them, i'm sure they don't care that i think they ruined their own game/lore...

    • @the_inquisitive_inquisitor
      @the_inquisitive_inquisitor 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Lol same. I haven't bought new minis in so long that *I've actually painted all the ones I have.*

    • @Zenturio331
      @Zenturio331 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@the_inquisitive_inquisitor thats the most dangerous form of hate. The constructive one

  • @TH-rj4ds
    @TH-rj4ds 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    BT was my first minis game, I recently went back to it hard. I did the entire GW survey already and did not hold back when a comment box came up.

  • @nathangerardy2669
    @nathangerardy2669 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    It is very hard not to like you when you continue to be a genuine honest person who is not afraid to put yourself out there. I found this entire long video very entertaining due to that.

  • @ScreamingTc
    @ScreamingTc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    "Which other miniature games do you also play or collect" is the oddest way of GW asking us which game systems they should try and copy.

    • @youtubevanced4900
      @youtubevanced4900 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Our go after legally. See if they can find a way to shut them down with legal burden.

    • @KhaeosLoL
      @KhaeosLoL 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Is it not a good thing if they take ideas from other systems? Especially if people really like them

    • @youtubevanced4900
      @youtubevanced4900 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KhaeosLoL steal IP then fight others in court over that same IP which they now claim is theirs.
      Just business as usual at GW.

    • @mikehendon7327
      @mikehendon7327 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@KhaeosLoL it is, when GW does it with their usual skill level of rules writing, which is "none at all". And as stated previously, it means that if they see a portion of their market share being taken up by someone, they might look into if they can sue them out of the competition.
      Until I see otherwise, all actions by GW are equally potentially bad, yes.

    • @spartanalex9006
      @spartanalex9006 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@youtubevanced4900 Catalyst Game Labs: You stand there thinking you’re the first one with that idea. You’d be wrong, our IP has survived far worse legal trouble than you could possibly imagine.

  • @grampawerewolf9832
    @grampawerewolf9832 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    "You put together terrain, you're doing something weird, you're doing something else" - Discourse, u r so right! Us scratch built terrain types are beyond the corporate pale 🤓🤟❣️

    • @someirishguy1662
      @someirishguy1662 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      *The gigachad paperhammer and scratchbuilders enter the room* yes

  • @999porte
    @999porte 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    this feels like one of those "are you an alcoholic?" tests

  • @anthonyplayter2981
    @anthonyplayter2981 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Hahaha, this is awesome.
    3d printers and indie rules are improving the hobby so much currently.

    • @neildubber9147
      @neildubber9147 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I’ve seen so many web sites using old 40k editions and updating them so you can use new units! And get taken down very quickly😧

    • @anthonyplayter2981
      @anthonyplayter2981 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@neildubber9147 where abouts? I would love to play 4th Ed with newer units.

    • @neildubber9147
      @neildubber9147 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@anthonyplayter2981 sadly the sites get taken down because of copy right infringement (and yes 4th Ed. Was great! I had many games with this Edition

    • @anthonyplayter2981
      @anthonyplayter2981 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@neildubber9147 where are you based and do you want a game of 4ed?

    • @davidbowles7281
      @davidbowles7281 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@neildubber9147 Rules are not copyrightable. They must be patented.

  • @jonathanelliott1338
    @jonathanelliott1338 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    What I appreciate so much about this channel is you're aware that GW fanboys don't care for you and you really don't seem to mind. Love your content!

    • @mumblez7712
      @mumblez7712 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Wouldn't be so quick to assume that gw fanboys are automatically against reasonable criticism.
      I'm a big fanboy, and think the online 40k community has a large element of 'all the cool kids like us think gw sucks', but there is plenty of room for reasonable criticism.

    • @owenlindkvist5355
      @owenlindkvist5355 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mumblez7712 I concur. I've been a massive fan for GW since I was eleven, but I am also very receptive to actual criticism that is deserved. GW has committed both enormous blunders and deplorable attitudes especially of late.

    • @mumblez7712
      @mumblez7712 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@owenlindkvist5355 True, theyve also made great strides to address things the community wanted in the last 10-20 years. Balance updates and more frequent faqs were something the community was begging for for years, it'll never be perfect but beats the days of "Codex is unbalanced? Better luck next edition!", not to mention the dark ages of literaly zero interaction with the community; Hell, even the main rumor pages are mostly just re-posting Warhammer Community articles these days.
      If you've only been playing the last 10-15 years it'd be easy to see all of GW's mistakes without having a full view of the things that have vastly improved

    • @owenlindkvist5355
      @owenlindkvist5355 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mumblez7712 To myself and friends, we saw 8th ed as their best time for being transparent and engaging with the community; a warm feeling that many of us felt likened to back in 3rd and 4th. It's sad to see them tank all that good will.

  • @darko-man8549
    @darko-man8549 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    "When do you pruchase warhammer?" "When I have a depressive episode and am therefore more vulnerable and prone to my ADHD-addictive behaviours"

    • @bigch33se11
      @bigch33se11 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Fuck it hurts lmfaoooo

    • @darko-man8549
      @darko-man8549 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bigch33se11 yep. And that's exactly why I bought GW products for the past few years. :'D

  • @Decrepit_biker
    @Decrepit_biker 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I really felt it when she said "alone" really really really felt it. Like really .....

  • @ronnyrdr6553
    @ronnyrdr6553 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thanks for uploading this. These questions are indeed very interesting. I cannot wait when you upload the (possible) effect it might have had on their decisions.

  • @tommymclaughlin-artist
    @tommymclaughlin-artist 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    You should check out Battletech, the grass is pretty green over here.

  • @Bluecho4
    @Bluecho4 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I'm fairly sure GW have been very aware of their competition, at least the major ones. I don't expect them to know what, for example, Turnip28 is. But all the biggest alternative games are probably, on some level, on GW's radar.
    What surprises me is them acknowledging the existence of their competition publicly. GW's approach has seemed to be "pretend there is nothing but Games Workshop and Games Workshop products". A while back, they tried to call it "the Games Workshop hobby".
    That they're letting the names of these other games pass their metaphorically lips, such that people who are taking the survey might learn about other games, attests to the precarious place GW occupies at the moment.

    • @DiscourseMinis
      @DiscourseMinis  2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Oh yeah, I 100% agree with you. I'm surprised they're mentioning their competition (& they had some deep cuts in there like Warhammer Armies Projects). They've traditionally been SUPER reluctant to even mention themselves as being adjacent to any other miniatures games
      And even acknowledging that changes in the meta will drive sales is a big deal imo.

    • @JasonRoe71
      @JasonRoe71 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@DiscourseMinis Interesting to me though they didn't mention any of the popular WWII or WWIII games. No Warlord Games and no Battlefront either.

    • @charlesentrekin140
      @charlesentrekin140 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@DiscourseMinis what amazes me is the fact that they mention BattleTech. The two game systems have been around for about the same amount of time. Both have accompanying novels. And a metric shed load of Source material. BattleTech problems started with the original company owners deciding to retire. The instead of the taking their company public they decided to take their company and reimagine it as a holding company. Turning their IP over to another company to develop. After a few years the boss of the new company decided to head for the Hills with all the Bank. A new company Catalyst games labs was eventually found and they are holding fast to the two biggest advantages that BattleTech has. It is a dynamic universe meaning that things do progress but the rules themselves are mostly this same as they were at the beginning. Once you get the rules down you don't have to worry about in a couple of years learning a whole new set of rules at the most one or two minor changes might have been made. You get those rules down playing with just a couple of mechs per side. Then for bigger battles you can move up to either Alpha strike or just stay with the basic rules. And when you get everything down you can play Campaign like the one I'm in. Where the fleet of the Jade Falcon Clan has just entered a Lyran Federation Planet system have engaged in a fleet battle and am currently moving in to engage planetary defenses and finally the ground invasion. Because when the whole system is in use oh, you have all the rules you need for all of that.

    • @basstedson
      @basstedson 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@JasonRoe71 I like to think that they have enough shame that people like Rick Priestley, Alessio Salvatore and Paul Sawyer became disaffected with them. Those names were Warhammer, they are the ones who build that company in truth.

    • @docvaliant721
      @docvaliant721 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@charlesentrekin140 harmony gold happened

  • @calcidern1561
    @calcidern1561 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Looks like it’s a result of feedback they’ve got from Adepticon. When they heard complains in person they took them more seriously.

    • @johndodo2062
      @johndodo2062 ปีที่แล้ว

      Or they are pretending to

  • @gardengoth
    @gardengoth 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Absolutely gutted - I got the email but by the time I got around to doing it, I was told the survey was over. I guess they switch it off once they hit quota. When they did the "heap big survey" the other year before plastic SoB came out I commented "stop pretending there aren't loads of other wargame products out there" so I'd like to claim responsibility for that question getting in.

    • @dc345601
      @dc345601 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Try it again, I just completed it.

  • @GuttedWrenStudios
    @GuttedWrenStudios 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    They're either genuinely ignorant or willfully ignorant of how their own community perceives them. Either way, it's a pitiful excuse for a company that large to be this out of touch.

    • @KT-pv3kl
      @KT-pv3kl 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Both is probably true at different levels. The activists at the lower echelons are willfully ignorant because everyone who isnt loved by r/siegmarxism is a niatzi and the upper Management is genuinely ignorant because none of them ever touched a dice outside of a casino.

  • @axanax2534
    @axanax2534 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I guess if you go into inescapable debt buying miniatures, you're kind of buying miniatures every day?

    • @DiscourseMinis
      @DiscourseMinis  2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      in a sense, sure!

    • @blacktemplarbrotherlucius1935
      @blacktemplarbrotherlucius1935 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I spend roughly 500 a month on miniatures but its split between Warhammer and dnd.

    • @axanax2534
      @axanax2534 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's a heck of a lot of hobbying!

    • @blacktemplarbrotherlucius1935
      @blacktemplarbrotherlucius1935 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@axanax2534 i love the hobby and its technically a casual job. But yeah been looking at 3d printers, cant find orcs with AK anywhere.

  • @noquarrel2758
    @noquarrel2758 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Fantastic analysis. Thanks for letting us participate in your survey!

  • @euansmith3699
    @euansmith3699 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Watching this was like Crait from Star Wars; a thick crusting of salt cracking apart, to expose a rich, red, moist layer of enthusiastic algae underneath.
    "... they don't have Shudder." Can Discourse be any cooler?

  • @vagrant2863
    @vagrant2863 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Is it weird that the competitors section of the survey feels more like an advertisement for other games to me than GW trying to improve?

    • @mikehendon7327
      @mikehendon7327 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Nope. What's weird is how many of those competitors are their own former products, that they threw away like cheap rubbish, and told players that they would not be missed!
      THAT is the weird part.

    • @robwallace6787
      @robwallace6787 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I imagine that anyone who has been sent the survey would know about most of these games already.

  • @arly803
    @arly803 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The one big thing that always perplexed me for WH+ is that if they had just put the official batreps, lore videos painting shows on youtube, and leased out the distribution rights for the animations to netflix or one of its competitors, that would get warhammer in front of the eyes of audiences not already super familiar with the ip.
    They would get money off of adsense and the netflix deal, and it's adverstisement on top of that! It's such an easy win! Why won't they take the win?

    • @Furzkampfbomber
      @Furzkampfbomber 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I think that would be a good idea in general, but then again, considerin how woke and crappy so many Netflix shows have turned out recently, also one that makes me shudder. Imagine Wh40k getting a special treatment by _two_ parties that don't really care about it and have jumped on the woke train, I can hear Tzeentch laughing even over here in Germany.

    • @arly803
      @arly803 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Furzkampfbomber science fiction is inherently political. That doesn't mean you can't enjoy it for reasons other than its politics.
      But, fundamentally, the warhammer 40k setting is a bunch of bad ideologies cranked up to 11. There are no good guys.

    • @Furzkampfbomber
      @Furzkampfbomber 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@arly803 No, science fiction is not inherently political, that is, with all respect, nonsense.
      It surely always had the potential to ponder political ideas or to offer social criticism, but this is by no means a 'must'.
      Even such an epos like Asimov's 'Foundation Saga' is _not_ political, even though I understand why a lot of people seem to think that it is, since it has _a lot_ of politics in it. But in the end, at the core of the saga Asimov ponders over human nature, just like in his robot stories, this was _always_ the very core of Asimov's work. And doing so is not political per se.
      And no, just because Wh40k basically describes a fascist, xenophobic theocracy, the whole universe and the stories from it is not political per se. I mean, you surely can read that into it, but then again, this is true for pretty much anything. I could write you an essay explaining why smurf village is a totalitarian communist system with Papa Smurf basically being Stalin that would make you look at those harmless smurfs with _very_ different eyes, but does that mean this is, because smurfs are inherently political?
      And you are missing the most important point here - Netflix and GW are hammering woke politics into things that are not _meant_ to be political, let alone _woke,_ for heaven's sake. Just look at what happened to anything that suffered from that fate: Doctor Who, Star Trek, Star Wars, James Bond, Mad Max, the whole bloody Marvel universe, both that in the comics and that in the MCU. Look how all those shows and franchises have turned out, most of them are pretty much dead or empty, husks by now begging everyone to end their suffering. And how well are the new Halo or LotR shows turning out thanks to wokism and 'inherent politics'?
      _This_ is what I mean when I say that _two_ companies hammering politics and political agendas into Warhammer 40k might happen and _this_ is what scares me at the scenario of a Netflix Wh40k show. Even more so since whoever would get Wh40k into its hands most likely _will_ want to have this sweet, sweet PG13 rating and turn it into a children's show.

    • @arly803
      @arly803 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Furzkampfbomber just because you don't want to read into political subtext doesn't mean it isn't there.
      And one does not need to intend political messaging for politics to affect a work. The authors politics always have an effect on how they write and what they write because one's politics is how they see the world.

    • @Furzkampfbomber
      @Furzkampfbomber 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@arly803 Cool, that makes _everything_ political, even more so when you automatically hammer _your politics_ into everything that says, even the authors personal opinions, no matter how thoroughly he or she keeps them out of their work, has an influence on the book.
      Apart from the fact that there are actually people out there who are utterly apolitical themselfes (but of course, not being interested in politics is a political statement in itself, isn't it - no way out of this trap), where would you draw the line?
      Children's books? Cooking books? And I have a lot of old stuff in my bookshelfs, what do we do with that?
      Let's see, Jules Verne's 'Journey to the Center of the Earth'... is that a political book?
      The Epic of Gilgamesh, how about that?
      H.G. Wells' 'War of the Worlds'?`
      And the question here is not only if those writings are political, but also if what might have been political according to your statement that the Meta, the private opinions of an author can _not_ have no influence on writing and thus, make it political per se, but also how long this statement is valid.
      What do you know about sumerian politics, exactly? About french politics of the late 1900th century and the opinions of Jules Verne?
      And what about comics? Damn, I really hate it when Garfield promotes marxism, he almost turned me into a commie? Seriously?

  • @darko-man8549
    @darko-man8549 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I love how they are just checking to see how much their rule updates cause purchases. But I love it in a "hate this world" way.

  • @fkaroundhandleit
    @fkaroundhandleit 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think the biggest reasons why they're losing players is the high prices, slow codex releases, and barely band-aiding the rules/dumb rule changes.

  • @mewletter
    @mewletter 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    There's collectibles but made by other brands. Example Bandai with their Primaris Intercessor LIMITED edition. Costs at least $500 USD. But quality is God tier (You know... the makers of Gundam?) Mcfarlane Toys also made some Space Marine toys

  • @sam74mumm
    @sam74mumm 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Came here cause someone linked your vid in the 9th Age forum. Actually you come across very authentic- love the dark humour, subbed😁

  • @pa_gaming_dad2810
    @pa_gaming_dad2810 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So if we all paint alone are we really alone? I couldn't agree more about using painting to help unwind. I try to paint a few minutes most days to help bring down stress and unlike other hobbies it doesn't add to my stress. If I don't have a good night painting it isn't the end of the world.

  • @James__V
    @James__V 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Your vids get better and better each week and never fail to make me laugh. Thank you for performing a vital service for consumers.

  • @kalam1620
    @kalam1620 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Always a pleasure seeing your videos while I paint stuff !

  • @chrisgoodier6825
    @chrisgoodier6825 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    2 things…
    1. Is Street Hammer like Street Countdown?
    2. After your awesome Discourse Frasier episode my wife and I have started binge re-watching Frasier. I grew up watching Frasier whilst in secondary school. I realised last night that I am now as old as Kelsey Grammer was in season 1. I was sad.

  • @jubb1984
    @jubb1984 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey that was some entertaining survey, thanks to your input 😀 was fun watching as we seem to agree on a whole lot.

  • @mensrea1974
    @mensrea1974 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I got the invite to take a survey and as soon as I selected that I'm already a WH+ subscriber it ended. They needed to ask me if I plan to renew...

    • @robwallace6787
      @robwallace6787 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's strange, I'm also a subscriber but I wasn't booted out of the survey.

  • @ManuYoCom
    @ManuYoCom 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Wow, subtle but truly evil. There's this marketing concept of "lexicalization of a brand name". That means when a brand name becomes the synonim of a product. For example calling any darkish fizzy drink Coke, even if they might be Pepsi or whatever brand. They are trying to make us associate the wargaming hobby exclusively to warhammer. That's why it says "warhammer hobby". Every question is about wargaming in general, not just 40K, AOS or Middle Earth. They are subtlely trying to make us think of wargaming as "warhammering". Surprised you didn't notice that Discourse.

    • @DiscourseMinis
      @DiscourseMinis  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh I've noticed it :) they do this a lot.

    • @ManuYoCom
      @ManuYoCom 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@DiscourseMinis evil corporation being evil

    • @STBmann
      @STBmann 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wont they lose their brand name like Tempo did? So that everybody can copy them?

  • @Mikey__R
    @Mikey__R 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I've got my hobby budget under strict control, with spreadsheets and everything. I learned the hard way that I can't be trusted with my own money unless I track EVERYTHING.

  • @corbingovers7559
    @corbingovers7559 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I got the survey too, feel like as jaded as we can get about GW's marketing practices; giving them the data is the only way for them to improve.

  • @redleg1376
    @redleg1376 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Recently I spend less than $50 a month on GW products, but I've been spending about that on 3d resin.

    • @mikehendon7327
      @mikehendon7327 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Every time GW angers me, I order four mechs of Battletech. Sometimes I average $50 every two weeks, if they're being particularly talkative!

  • @chuckeubanks299
    @chuckeubanks299 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    As soon as you typed my mini factory the screen went dark. It was just an ad, but I laughed... Hard.

  • @lordnovas
    @lordnovas 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Dawn of War and Total War got me into Warhammer. The LOTR rts by EA was so good, the controls were great on console.

  • @keepcalmandre-roll5480
    @keepcalmandre-roll5480 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This was the survey I got sent. Managed to complete all of it and submit it

  • @bradlothrop4076
    @bradlothrop4076 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am rather impressed how excited you got filling out a survey. Even more so, how the leading questions seem to show GW is well aware of what their customers find important. The real question will be if they act on the results in a "good" way. Thanks for this walkthrough.

  • @alfiebrennan3827
    @alfiebrennan3827 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hahaha. I got this survey a few days ago. My first thought was… I hope they send this to discourse!

  • @pezpengy9308
    @pezpengy9308 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i like your videos and value your opinions. its like hearing myself saying the quiet part out loud.

  • @Nick_Whiskey
    @Nick_Whiskey 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It really tells you what their focus is on when "playing the game" is 75% down the list of "what do you do within the Warhammer universe"
    Hey we make games... what do you think people do? Listen to audio books of course!

  • @anymajordude87
    @anymajordude87 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This has been my favorite video you have ever done.

  • @GAMINGINTHEBIDENYEARS612
    @GAMINGINTHEBIDENYEARS612 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Me and the street sharks love playin STREET HAMMER in the back alley of o'hans with all the alley friends just chilling in the trash, one guy pulled out a chocolate vaccine and gave it to billy boy and he took it and he didnt talk for like 8 hours he just stared at the leaking walls. Street hammer is legit. 10/10 game

  • @funghazi
    @funghazi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Yay, I finally got to see what was in there after they booted me out, I had a feeling it was going to be good.

  • @JC-jo9bf
    @JC-jo9bf 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Primaris ripped off my rose-colored-fan-boi glasses. Floating tanks? Different armor for every weapon? Vanillafication of every chapter? So dumb, and everyone lapped it right up. No one wanted to tell the emperor the truth about his new clothes.

  • @MrSkullhead1
    @MrSkullhead1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ironically, GW seems to be so intent on being tight fisted with their IP and maximizing monetization by nickel and diming their existing customers that they are missing out on growth opportunities. Fewer paywalls and lower prices would likely expand their customer base and lead to even higher revenues.

  • @bobjohnson9277
    @bobjohnson9277 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video! It’s expensive to try and bring new people in, versus cater to you base. But you were spot on about new players being the life blood. They cap their ceiling by not reinvesting some of the dough they make in bring in new fans. They seem to rely in the game stores and parents dragging their kids into the hobby. Speaking from experience. :)

  • @jirga_jirga
    @jirga_jirga 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Miniature agnostic rules have become the most important aspect for me during past few years. I happily buy models from a song of ice and fire and conquest for example and mix them in my armies if the overall aesthetics match the vision I have.

  • @tapioperala3010
    @tapioperala3010 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Oh man :D
    I laughed so hard :D
    Please, keep this kind of presentation!

  • @GamingPaladin
    @GamingPaladin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    16:49 It's surprising that they acknowledge it, but it's clear that they've known it for years.

  • @CassyCat4
    @CassyCat4 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Some of my happiest moments are alone surrounded by miniatures ^_^

  • @dc345601
    @dc345601 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for doing this video and thanks for the reminder to fill out my survey!
    I really hope they take the feedback and start implementing real changes. One of my complaints and maybe it’s because I misunderstood the marketing, but I honestly thought we got an Audible or Kindleunlimited like subscription to BlackLibrary to sort of hold us over until they got more shows available. I’m hoping that is their next move. I think it would be worth it at that point, even if it’s just a limited number per month. Also, glad you threw in PDF reader for the Vault. I’m shocked that no one internally said “this online reader is garbage and even worse if I’m trying to use a mobile or tablet device!”.
    Great job.

  • @2dola
    @2dola 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I got the last one, I wander if they're going to send me this new one. That was fun but i got sad at the same time about being alone when hobbying. We should all have a hangout day on discord and just paint or build and gasbag for a couple of hours once a month or something.

  • @gmikecstein
    @gmikecstein ปีที่แล้ว

    Your Frasier mug is so cool 😍

  • @WladcaPodziemia
    @WladcaPodziemia 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    > Survey sent to select few
    > Discource got it
    I expected "Oi, ya wanna got yar knickapc broken, y'git?! Nah? Then stop talking well about our product"

  • @richardpeace3292
    @richardpeace3292 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I got that survey…..was about 2-3 weeks ago. I said Warhammer + has too much negative feedback from TH-cam for me to subscribe monthly but I’d consider paying 10 quid a year until the content is worth a monthly subscription of £5.

  • @jjmqu
    @jjmqu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @Discourse Miniatures
    You should absolutely check out the warhammer armies project.
    They have a great set if rules that really builds on and improves what 8th edition was with a few key changes. They have also made full PDF army books that combine units from all the editions plus hundreds of pages of lore for them. They also have armies that were mentioned or had white dwarf rule sets fleshed out to be full factions.
    Unlike 9th age (which aims for a Total balanced and therefore in my opinion restrictive and uninteresting game) W.A.P has made a game that really feels like warhammer with buildings you can enter, fun special characters and flexible list builds.

  • @childrenofthesun471
    @childrenofthesun471 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love how you say the word "Now" :D

  • @darko-man8549
    @darko-man8549 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @38:00 that's not how they sell - they genuinely don't care much for the "time vampires" especially in stores

  • @Haroith
    @Haroith 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Where can we see this survey?

    • @DiscourseMinis
      @DiscourseMinis  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      it was emailed out to a small number of people, I have no idea if they'll be widening the scope of release!

  • @colinmack8655
    @colinmack8655 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Your not alone you have us!

  • @massivecrit650
    @massivecrit650 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was super fun thanks

  • @awerges2205
    @awerges2205 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My opinion is one of the best things they can do would be to create events to get people to hobby together. Especially after the pandemic where people have been cooped up for over a year, being able to meet other people and form relationships would be a positive impact on the community. Most of this other content would be good during the pandemic if there was more of it (like the stuff in Warhammer+), but I feel like contributing to a post pandemic recovery would help. This would also involve slashing their prices to get people to show up. Everyone's cost of living is going up, even for well-off folks like software engineers who can work from home and therefore cut out gas costs. Because now they're also taking on higher electric bills, food costs, etc.

  • @jessepigram1039
    @jessepigram1039 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Maybe they left out Warlord Games because they're still hurting after Rick Priestley's betrayal

  • @domoarigatomrrobot-oh6647
    @domoarigatomrrobot-oh6647 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I watched Hammer and Bolter "In the Garden of Ghosts". You would love the way Space Marines are portrayed in it. It was a very good shift in perspective.

  • @yagsipcc287
    @yagsipcc287 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Damn! I didn't get a notification for this video had to manually search for your channel. This is happening more and more. Also part of me is sad part of me is happy ha companies and media falling apart, insulting their customers be it treating them like children, insulting their intelligence robbing them blind etc...

  • @guilliman1990
    @guilliman1990 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That was good very very similar to most of my responses if I was given this to do. It's interesting they seem to maybe have their finger on the pulse now.

  • @fleboy8618
    @fleboy8618 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Sean Bean being in an award winning Warhammer movie got me laughing quite hard ^^

  • @hivescumsteve6524
    @hivescumsteve6524 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Started watching this video, then spotted today that I'd been sent this survey too. So came back to watch the rest after I'd filled it out. 'frequency of release' . I had the exact same dilemma - how are they going to inturpret my answer?! As you've said I really hope they take the responses on board and do something constructive with it.
    Looking forward to your 'why you don't like GW video!

  • @darko-man8549
    @darko-man8549 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    if I got this, a lot of the responses would be "is it the fan-made ones or the GW-sponsored ones? cos i definitely watch a lot of YT lore and painters" Like I listen to Baldemort and AmberKing whenever they release (And sometimes MK)

  • @williamings773
    @williamings773 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    They use to have a tool that let them know the opinions of their community in real time. The forums, then they shut them down.
    Speech is the most liberating tool humans have at their disposal, those that shut it down are afraid of the truth.
    Other brands have forums, they arn't afraid of their customers so they don't silence them.

  • @lasselippert3892
    @lasselippert3892 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    _Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the Battletech community?_

  • @jayceeni
    @jayceeni 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great episode

  • @stoatnam450
    @stoatnam450 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As hard as Malifaux is to assemble the figures are all on their own frames or individual section of said frames so it's easier to figure how a figure is assembled without the instructions.
    Still takes half an hour for three dudes.

    • @mikehendon7327
      @mikehendon7327 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Their old minis were so, so much worse. Points of contact less than a millimeter around...

  • @owenlindkvist5355
    @owenlindkvist5355 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Whilst I regard your general format and approach to be clickbait, I do have to give you some measure of props for the points raised here. Good work.

  • @ungratefulknight
    @ungratefulknight 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh my goodness that was cheeky indeed. MyMiniFactory 🤣

  • @vileviticusleviticusvi5682
    @vileviticusleviticusvi5682 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wonder if GW will ever put this survey out to the public? I bet they would not like the response

  • @CryHavocWarGaming
    @CryHavocWarGaming 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really enjoyed this.

  • @someirishguy1662
    @someirishguy1662 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I bought Gaslands rulebook the other day for €15, with it, it includes anything il ever need to run a game with the exception of terrain and boxcars, this is their competition

  • @robertohollas2099
    @robertohollas2099 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I got one of those a few days back. Seemed a bit odd, but it's GW, so I went with it.

  • @NathanLazyBear
    @NathanLazyBear 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If they made warhammer plus half the price it is now, I would consider it. I would also be more willing to consider it if they open up the options for their two limited edition figures they have behind it.

  • @darrenrees3284
    @darrenrees3284 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I play Battletech and have for years, now with all the new stuff coming out as well is getting it out there.

  • @Soestinight
    @Soestinight 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Had to look back at when. I got the survey on April 4, and filled it out. Located in the USA and have WH+.