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Source for the ship math:
If we take a very conservative estimate here and say that the population density of Terra is the same as the most densely populated city on Earth at the minute (Male in the Maldives) and that it covers all of Earth (remember we used up the oceans) then the population of Terra is around 16 trillion. That’s 12 zeroes after the 16 by the way. Now if we do some back of the envelope calculations here, and say that each person needs about 2 litres of water and 300 grams of food per day (they probably need more) then Terra needs 36.8trillion kilos of food and water on a daily basis or 18billion four hundred million tons. Assuming this is all the density of water (a kilo per cubic metre), and an Imperial Transport ship is 8km long and 1 wide and tall so a bit bigger than Gibraltar and it’s all storage. Terra needs at least 4600 ships of this size every single day just to stay fed. Add on top of this, Industrial ships, tribute ships, and ships selling pirated playstation games and you could be looking at 10 thousand ships unloading 18 billion tons each. That's a whole lot of cheetos.
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Do you think Roboute would make a monkey’s paw deal with the Eldar, Trazyn, etc to try to flush out the cultists?
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Man I thought cov19 was bad. BUT THIS! THIS! You must be a cultist. Also great sponsor ad. love it.
I'm not sure NordVPN know what they've got involved in. Or perhaps they are already cultists 🤔
Ever considered that these VPN providers might be scamming you for your data? Or working with government agencies, selling them legally(!) what they otherwise would need a warrant for?
I mean, what do you think their actual business model is? Selling a service for basically nothing in the first year? Hmm?
Your should do more of these. This is how 40k lore needs to be delivered. GW Loremaster series is but a pale reflection in comparison to this. Wait...am I? Am I a worshipper of the Matriarch? ... ...
J O I N U S . . .
It can take time, but she always gets yah.
the Matriarch!!!!!⁹
Kinda funny how Genestealer Cults are more interesting than the Tyranids themselves.
Allegedly
@@fumarc4501 I mean, Tyranids are still pretty cool, but I do think that GSC adds a lot of nuance to a faction that was mostly just a bunch of big dumb monsters.
Honestly Genestealers got shafted by being part of the nids
There's some "orphaned" stealers that don't have a hive fleet to call anymore. They just keep going as "programmed" but the 'nids never show up. One particular type, the Ymgarl strain, actively tries to get reabsorbed by the hive fleets, with their cult activities usually culminating in seizing ships and flying off to the nearest invasion tendril.
...only to be disappointed because _Tyranids refuse to eat Ymgarl genestealers._ There's something about their genes that the hive fleets want absolutely _nothing_ to do with. So after a tyranid invasion devours all life on a world with Ymgarl stealers on it, the only thing left will be...the ever more depressed Ymgarl genestealers.
Tyranids are just a standard space bug trope. The stealers, as a deluded mystical uprising, are way more interesting.
It's kind of like GW never thought through the lore implication of the Custodes fighting the GC on Terra. When I first saw the previews of the Shadow Throne box I figured "well it's certainly not Terra, it's probably just some random world". Once the cult is established on Terra that's it - it will never be truly eradicated.
Personally I thought that Genestealer cults being on Terra was established as being a thing long before the box set released, and the reason that they can go relatively unnoticed no matter how powerful they become is due to literal quadrillions of people living on Terra, and all of the different gangs and houses and organizations operating there, that the Genestealers would just be an insignificant other player.
@@fadelsukoco3092 why wouldn't the GSC just infiltrate all other factions? All it takes is a visit from a purestrain Genestealer. Plus their growth is exponential once they get a foothold, no matter how big the population of Terra is, exponential growth means they would sooner or later control all of it...
@@theandf Well, I'm sure that they've done that to an extent numerous times, but this IS Terra we're talking about. Even excluding all of the mundane rival factions and defense forces, you'll have at least millions of trained sanctioned psykers doing various things for their various superiors, and they would be able to detect the presence of the Broodmind once it reaches a certain potency. Not to mention the capital of the friggin Inquisition is on the planet, so you'll have hordes of extremely powerful people with access to some of the most expensive and hazardous technology, artifacts and abilities that the Imperium can provide.
@@fadelsukoco3092 Right! I forgot about the psykers. They wouldn't let the broodmind reach critical mass.
Terra has hundreds of genestealer cults - theres just too many people on the world for there not to be at least one hidden genestealer hive deep deep under terra
My first thought when I saw the title was yeah. People are assuming that the battle between them is on a battlefield, that they're lined up and it's just a straight up fight. The first person to lose all their dudes loses. But that's not how Wars are often fought, in practice, the gene stealer cults trying to corrupt the whole planet, and in this scenario, the custodes are 10 guys trying to stop them from doing that. It doesn't matter how indestructible those 10 guys are. They can't be everywhere at once. Gene stealer cultist could be anywhere, you don't even know where they are. They might not even bother confronting the custodes directly.
oh yeah, the real trick is to just move >:D
@@DiscourseMinis several years after the end of the Vietnam War. The North Vietnamese Commanding General General Gap released a memoir. In it he claimed that if the war had gone on for three more years. It would have been at least two generations before they could have won. They were running short of Warm Bodies. Now we fast-forward 40000 years to a planet that was almost destroyed 10,000 years ago because of the Horus heresy. That laid waste to huge areas of the planet. The rebuilding was in the hands of a defensive genius. If you believe that he would not have rigged whole sections of the city oh, sorry of the planet to fall down go boom. Then I believe you don't understand Dorn. There would never be a case when it would simply be the custodis versus any attack. They would simply be at the Forefront of the retribution. The citizenry would only hear about the vile traitors who were attempting to bring down the empire and kill the emperor. The custodis are not complete freaking idiots. They would use every asset they could get their hands on. So the scenario is flawed from the get-go.
@@charlesentrekin140 Besides Giap's would've, could've, should've book to supplicate all the butt hurt Americans. The fact is they ran away and the North took over Vietnam and are still in control today.
I also think you missed the infiltration bit of the message here and that the Genestealer Cult is playing for time. They are going to reconnoitre Terra fully. Anyone of any position of information is going to meet the Patriarch. If the planet is booby trapped who is to say this will even work anymore when the balloon goes up. All the useful maintenance people on the planet are going to meet the Patriarch.
You can argue the Vietnam War was lost in America and not Vietnam. Look at the division in the US during and after the Vietnam War and multiply this - how many times - for what the Genestealer Cult will do. And you have an Imperium that is much more callous than the US politicians who knowingly sent their troops into Vietnam to fail. Could the US have won in Vietnam? Potentially. Did they want to risk the fallout that winning in Vietnam could cause? No. The sad fact is for all sides that fought there is, they knew this before they even went in.
@@richardwales9674 no Richard I saw the obviously heavily weighted in one way scenario setup. And was just trying to point out how ridiculous it was. I know that goes way over your head. The purpose of building a scenario. Is not to give all the advantage to one side and take away all the advantages of the other side. To equalize the Nerfs given to the custodis you would have to limit the genestealer cults to only three conversions per cultist per generation. And remember to get at the custodis the genestealers would have to attack the palace because that's where the custodis are. Until they threaten the Imperial Palace they are simply not the custodis responsibility.
And now for your hot take on Vietnam, there were actually 4 different sides in the war. The North Vietnamese, the South Vietnamese, the American Military and finally the American politicians. General Giaps point was that the Vietnamese communist forces were taking enough casualties that they would soon have to suspend operations. But the American politicians not only forced the American Military out of supporting the South Vietnamese but also cut off their supplies of ammunition and other fungibles. Leading to the execution of slightly over 1 million South Vietnamese. By the way I don't have to read about these things I lived them.
@@charlesentrekin140 well, the Vietnamese won and they didn't even have mind control. They just had the will to fight off the foreigners. And all creatures are repulsive foreigners in the many-eyes of the Star Children!
"I've heard Mars is pretty nice this time of year."
When I first understood the tastiness of my flesh, it disgusted me. I craved the cold blandness of steel. I sought the inedibility of the blessed machine. One day, the crude biomass you call the Custodes will be on the menu, and you will beg my kind to save you. But I am already saved. For the Machine isn't tasty.
That is a very clever presentation for your case, but you forgot one crucial factor that will "turn the tide" (so to speak) in the Custodes favor and glorious final victory:
Plot armour!!!
Don’t forget the other twist of fate that would affect the battle:
GW hates Xenos!
Ah, Aegis Narrativa. The strongest armor in the universe.
GW: "Haha, bold guy in truck with explossives"
This video : "Creepy, body-snatcher-like infestation creeping into population"
It was genioenly creepy, especially when compared to what GW presents about them lately
Pretty sure this is not even Warhammer but the story of miners in Ireland, told in a manner so that authorities will not come down on our favourite xeno sympathizer. Discourse and her quirky compassion for peasants...
there were some questionable backgrounds I was thinking of including with this one
@@DiscourseMinis Your agenda is pretty visible. Just stop propagating shoes for everyone, some people are simply born undeserving of them because of their inherent lazyness.
Good gods of immaterial darkness, someone ELSE remembers Bolt Thrower.... I've still got their first lp somewhere....
So, 16 billion potential cultists vs 10 thousand non coruptsble troops..... There isn't enough ammo in the galaxy for the Golden Boys to win that one. I was always, right back when 40k started, convinced that the idea was that humanity was ultimately doomed.....
Well, I'm pretty sure in that case the Custodes would just fight in melee until they all were destroyed, if they do all get destroyed. There's that one short story, where, love it or hate it, like 6 Custodes fought off over a million tyranids and 1 guy was still alive at the end of it. Plus, to even get to the Custodes, you'd have the get past all the other shit defending Terra first.
The Custodes would just live in the imperial palace if it got super bad. Their loyalty is their weakness and there are only 10,000 of them.
As someone who’s first loss was to a all infantry Gaurd army… you can only cut through oh so many before the end of the game. But it’s funny when I first picked golden boys it was because there were gold and cool. Not because they were strong on the tabletop
yeah, I was genuinely surprised that so many people thought that genestealers would lose to Custodes. There's not enough of them to make an impact on a planet, nevermind the galaxy
@@DiscourseMinis I think the back of my Codex says it best. Loyalty is their Achilles heel.
“The Emperor's realm is a festering ruin of overcrowded worlds drowning in their own ignorance and fear. It is a tumbledown ghetto that burns from end to end with the flames of war. They do not deserve their Emperor. They do not deserve us. None of that alters the fact that our duty must be done.”
@@DiscourseMinis Even if you assume the Custodes won every straight up fight and survived every assassination attempt, they could never purge Terra. The cult can breed faster than the Custodes could kill them.
@@Bluecho4 tbf, even if most of the planet got consumed by genestealers, they would NEVER take the palace
@@DiscourseMinis A lack of numbers seems to be endemic in the Imperium's elite forces. 1,000,000 Space Marines don't go very far in even a scrawny Galactic Empire like the Imperium.
I've always kinda wanted to start a GC army, but now I REALLY want to lol I guess it's time to find some 3d files for them
they're pretty badass
"We've got you surrounded"
"All I am surrounded by is fear and dead bugs"
+1 for the vader quote
Whenever I hear "custodes", the ones from Bruva Alfabusa spring to mind. Complete with theme song.
*approves in quivering abs with pillarly ayayaing*
Aroused snickering!
I think it’s because of the Fabulous Custodes that GW finally made an army in the first place
@@akumaking1 this is the oil-massaged truth.
The setting has issues with the scale of things that are supposed to be extremely vast to give a sense of awe, terror, and hopelessness to the galaxy (Guard, Tyranid, Orks) and things that are supposed to be very heroic and elite. If you look at it soberly, the numbers of Space Marines are truly insignificant in the galaxy, probably never appearing in most conflicts. They claim that they are extremely powerful and that one of them is worth a hundred or thousands of Orks, but not only is this nowhere near enough to matter numerically, but that’s just their own fluff. In the fluff from Xenos perspective, there are countless examples of Tau, Eldar, Orks, etc. killing ordinary Astartes without much difficulty. The space marines aren’t enough numerous enough as chapters to be the “tip of the spear” at this point. They would need to still be far more numerous than their own fluff suggests. Even my own favorite chapter, Black Templars, do not make sense from a logistical and manpower perspective with what they’re supposed to be doing on the eternal crusade.
That is a thing I love about the Guard.
They deal with it in a very "suspend your disbelief or die (and please don't judge our numbers) " but there is many times you get to see how they make it work, with great emphasis on how the Astra militarum depends on the administratum, the admech and the fleet and talk about how scarce or massive their resources are
Yep, I always tough the Imperium was absolutelly doomed and all the hype we get from them its actually just propaganda.
Anyways, we all know Tyranids are going to survive the galaxy so...
Yeah, i mean, that is why they usually intervene along millions of guardsmen. Hell, if it was a whole chapter of space marines against a single Tau sept army, oh yeah, the marines would ravk up the kills, but they would all die to an army which on average has weapons that can pierce their armors wih every shot (from just a layer to all layers and melt their insides with fusion blasters), lets not mention against necrons or tyranids, especially since to defeat the tyranids from 1 to 2 WHOLE LEGIONS of space marines and TENS OF MILLIONS of guardsmen were needed o defeat just 1 fleet each time (mcrage and the blood angels capital).
@@michelecastellotti9172 That's because 40k doesn't use logic. It's just over the top action, stupid suicidal plan thats works (somehow) and last stand defenses. All of this depends for a single rerason, the writer and novelist are focused on create an action adventure focused on single powerful charachter. there are around 5 total novel series really god that describe the logic and brutality behid each conflict in 40k. take for example Helsreach, the protagonist are a bunch of super soldier and yet they know that alone theu possible couldn't defend an ENTIRE hive so they get desperate to get more help, and this is just an example.
@@alet2691 oh no no, i know that, and that is why i often come here from star wars.
Star wars is for good stories, wh40k is just for senseless kills.
As someone who talks a lot with their hands, I really enjoy how animated your presentations are, but I just have to ask. How many times did you backhand your mic during this recording?
i don't keep count, but the mic knows its place now
@@DiscourseMinis I hope you gave it a safe word? I'm guessing it just yells "Games Workshop" when it's had enough :-)
@@matthewdevalle404 Mic, "Games Workshop! Games Workshop!! GAMES WORKSHOP!!!"
Discourse, "Games Workshop what, melonfarmer!?"
Mic, "Games Workshop delenda est!"
Discourse, "That's better."
@@euansmith3699 any day I spot Euan in the comments section of a channel or forum is a good day. Hi Euan! (Not stalking you, I genuinely enjoy your comments!)
@@theandf Thanks, dude! 😊
I has the subtitles on and was confused when I saw jean stealer cults. I'm now sad that there isn't a faction in the 41st Millennium moving across the galaxy stealing everyone's Levi's.
You slid into that ad smoother than a genestealer. Bravo Madame, bravo!
One hole I see that every psi-signature is closely monitored, yes every last of the 16 trillion
I can tell you're having fun making these. It shows by the fun factor and by quality. PLEASE MAKE MORE.
The 8th Ed GSC codex marks Earth and Mars as infected planets, with Hivecult as the closest sphere of influence. The implication of Hivecult being higher likelihood of arbites and guardsmen serving as broodbrothers.
Patty McGoo is now a canon elite HQ unit.
i can dig it
Gonna need more interesting takes on lore from you at your earliest convenience. This was amazing.
Instead of “We just want shoes!”
Their battlecry is “We just want all the pants!”
I am genuinely curious how many takes you had to do because you kept calling the patriarch "Paddy McGoo' (unsure of the spelling).
too many
One part about the custodes is that they are a security force and counterintelligence force as much as an army. They can put on the giant golden armour and hose down the street with archeotech bolter-halberds but they can also infiltrate places. The custodes themselves are probably the people in the universe with the most experience infiltrating the Imperial Palace.
I always interpret them as much more socially and politically savvy than your average marine grunt who gets up, prays, trains and fights. They aren't enough to personally keep tabs on stuff but they are good at taking pulse on other imperial institutions and powerhouses to see what they're doing. A huge new cult rapidly growing is the kind of thing imperial institutions look out for even if it's for petty reasons like checking out potential rivals.
There's three things working in the Imperium's favor there.
First, imperial psykers can sense the broodmind once it reaches a certain size. No planet in the Imperium has more psykers than Terra.
Second, the AdMech has genescanners that can easily detect the infection. They just need a reason to bring them out and deploy them en masse, and an inquisitor (Terra is also the planet with the most Inquisitors on it :P) getting even the faintest suspicion of stealer activity would definitely result in a few discreet calls to Mars. Once a cult is uncovered and if it hasn't yet subverted local authority enough to make an organized response impossible, it can be rooted out.
Third, the population of Terra is _too big._ A cult can't quietly spread until it controls enough of the population to win in an uprising, because as it grows, so does the broodmind. And once it gets big enough it becomes impossible to hide from any competent psyker.
Where genestealer cults are especially dangerous is the second or third tier of imperial world...populations big enough to easily fade into, but small enough to be sufficiently subverted before detection becomes inevitable.
So...there probably are multiple genestealer cults active on Terra at any given time (likely working at cross purposes since they might be from different Hive Fleets...), and the Adeptus Arbites and Inquisition are engaged in a millennia-long game of whack-a-xeno, slapping them down as they appear, but the whole thing is just lost among the background noise of everyday life on Terra.
So basically free masonry on steroids with aliens. Nice video!
Fully agreed on the 'Stealers winning. It's 'Nam all over again (has Rambo flashbacks). I really like the tragic Genestealer Cults lore. It's the 40K equivalent to Age of Sigmar's Flesh Eater Courts. Both factions are really tragic and inspired. What I really like about these Cults is that they are impossible to tell apart from Imperial cults, they look equally bizarre and crazy. And they can claim to worship the Emperor, it's just that this one has four arms!
This makes me want to make a giant custom game where an army of custodes has to fight off gsc on a giant hive city board. Sounds super fun
To be super fair, the custodes don't fight alone, they fight with the sisters of silence witch are a HUGE assets against people that coordinate trought pychic power, hence those two forces are called "talons of the emperor". Great video anyway :D
Is not the Hive Mind actually a psychic void? So those Sisters of Silence could not stop it because... their own psysic powers are denied
@@brunojesusguilperez8407 the sisters of silence are blanks meaning they are antipsykers not psykers
@@brunojesusguilperez8407 The sisters of silence aren't psykers. They have a negative souls that basically shut down psychic energy. The hive mind don't shut down psychic energy, it just tunes is down HEAVILY for other races. The sisters just say no
Not counting all of the space marine chapters that would get called to defend the throneworld.
@@pinoarias8601 she's talking about the cuatodes in particular. The sisters and the banana bois are considerable a single entity
This and your cult video are the best you've made. This is the kind of context that is why the setting is so great. People think too much in the terms of the table top game, made to be "fair". there is nothing fair in real life. Nicely done discourse.
Everybody loves Gold. However did you know i love Custodes? Ive never given away any type of hint or anything to what my favorite faction in 40k is...
You Squat
Sir, how many pairs of denim pants do you own that don't fit you properly?
Nice try but you ain't fooling anyone.
I know the oppressors are frivolous and prone to arrogance, but is it truly wise to tell them how they will fall to the perfection of the Void Gods?
Their fall is inevitable before the devotion of the cult and perfection of the Gods they call Tyranids, but that's no reason to give up the element of surprise
Love the mention of Bolt Thrower : Realm of Chaos. Loved that band seen them the last ever time they played Belfast.
Mars is looking nice.
Adeptus Mechanicus ' release the Void Dragon'.
Those goggles bring out a devious nature only a cultist can know.
Though we die, La Resistance lives on!
I really like your style of lore videos, thanks Discourse.
The implantation is via the ovarepositor via the genestealers tongue (which is called the Genestealers kiss), they go into it in the first Caiphas Cain book and in Creatures Anathema. As, a side note the death hive Volg has a genestealers cult that can't gain any traction due to a combination of the harsh condition of the hive and the breathtakingly violent reaction the other hivers have to them
"I love Gooooooooooooooooold."
We all have a little Gold Member inside us.
This channel puts out the most quality and thought out lore videos on TH-cam I swear.
Loved the sound work on this one, it's good stuff! The hair is good too!
Ironically, if i waa going to pick up 40k again seriously, it'd be either genies or goldbugs, so this video was a win for me either way.
Although i am tempted to go complete grognard and make a chaos greenstealer gue'vesa army, but then I'd be banned from everywhere.
When most of your worlds are a planet sized OSHA violation, what would one expect?
That was one order the smoothest transitions to the sponsor plug I’ve seen in a long time!
*of the
i will pay someone to get me an emote of that eyebrowing genestealer.
They would likely also have the Grey Knights, who are based in the same solar system. By 40k standards, the Grey Knights are like the next house down the street. The sisters of silence would also be involved immediately. In theory disrupting the brood mind.
Amazing video and I really enjoyed the foundational work you put into this slow spread and then sustained pressure they would exert. Great job!
They bring a whole new level to kicking ass and taking names. The name taking just goes on and on, wrapping around and around their armor.
The original implantation was a "kiss" that big tounge of their leaving some "gene"tic material in the subjects throat. (Before they would leave a chest buster in you, it would hatch and if it ate 3? Corpses it would mature to a fully grown purestrain)
9:15 hold up….that’s the Unconquered Sun….
It sure is >:D
@@DiscourseMinis exalted fan confirmed!
love that I am never prepared for your costume changes😂
"That's a whole lotta soilent green." xD
But 2 different genestealers got through the imperial space wall - and now these 2 genestealer families are competing and fighting against each other - while trying to stay unobserved by the inquisitors, arbites, and the rest of them while they build up enough numbers to take on the custodes.
i'm pretty sure it heard in one of the 40k books that actually earth is infested with Genestealer Cults except the continent where the golden throne is like deep down on each continent like under cities like like the hive cities but way way down that is infested with Genestealer and apparently it's like the psychic presence of the emperor that sky keep them off the continent where the golden throne is because of the big E disrupts the brood mind ;)
This was absolutely fantastic! Loved the costumes as well :D
Thank you for justifying my distrust of orthodontists, knew those buggers were shifty!
The club scene is gas 😂😂
Patty Magoo should be your underground radio call sign
I'll be very intimidating
Congrats on the sponsorship.
And now I want to make an IRA themed GC because of that quote on Thatcher.
Discourse, you're forgetting that Terra is also protected by the Adeptus Arbites, they would do the actual policing and repressing of rebellions.
Not counting the countless space marine chapters that would be called upon to defend the throneworld.
If only Mephiston was on available. He and the rest of the blood angels once killed a cult on a planet that was ready to call the hive fleet, and Mephiston beheaded the bastard by himself
Brilliant video! More of these 'what if' lore videos please! What I would say though, is that on Terra, this sort of mass infestation just wouldn't get off the ground. The planet would be under way too much surveillance, with inquisitorial agents everywhere routing out any sniff of heresy or xenos. But if somehow such a cult manged to elude all of terras security, then this is absolutely how it would go down.
The analysis forgets the closest allies of the Custodes, the Sisters of Silence. Any in range of them would have their connect to the hivemind severed
Soundtrack so on point
Wow... I remember Bolt Thrower.
Pure gold! Very enjoyable!
Go the Genestealers!
Thank you for all your efforts in putting this together.
I've never laughed at a sponsored ad for a VPN before 😄
The legend of patty mcguu grows
Did not expect the amount of math in the episode..
"All calculations are in the description"
Hahaha, very funny...
Oh wait, that was serious
I will say (cant remember the books name) around 6 custodians (around 6 i believe) fought over a million tyranids... and the custodians won with 1 man but thats still disgusting now imagine EVERY custodian marching out into the hives they would probably have a great chance of eradicating most of the cults (some are even more elite then "normal")
This is why the Hammer of the Emperor, the men and women holding the line, the Imperial Guard are clearly the most superior fighting force. Do away with all these 8ft tall blue toilet-seat wearing super soldiers, or the 10ft golden god boy, no, all you need is Gary, his lasgun and his million friends that brought the tractor tanks.
To be fair, much like how the Cult don't fight one on one, the Custodes don't fight alone either.
As soon as the Cult are found, the security operatus goes nuts, the bulkheads cutting off the arcologies and hives from one another go down, the Guard mobilise, the Arbites, Sisters, Inquistors, Assassins, the Imperial Fists in orbit on the Phalanax. It's a lot of dudes.
That said, my response to seeing a boxed set that was "a GSC uprising on Terra" was "...that means Terra is completely fucked".
Terra is completely fucked....... eventually.
I'm sure there are hundreds of Genestealer cults on Terra, and those are outnumbered by the number of Chaos cults, and they're been around for a really long time, but there's just so much shit that happens on Terra on the daily that they are kind of insignificant.
Oh my God, you've just explained it all. 08:15 to 08:19, our kids are little monsters, but to us they're beautiful. James Blunt is a Genestealer!
6:50 I prefer to volunteer for the annual Weasel Stomping Day celebrations myself.
If Custodes are as stupid as they are depicted in HH books, then an amoeba could take over Terra covertly.
Modern history should demonstrate how easy it is for an insurgency to hold out against a larger and better equipped force. Genestealers might take a longer time, but they would ultimately win.
Just wait until you spot someone at a con wearing these goggles and outfit as Discourse cosplay. :)
I think if the custodes arent enought.They might call in space marines .Im not sure if that happened though on Terra for a Genestealer infestation. Nice Lore Video to understand the genestealer more.
LOL OMG I love the eyebrows on the genestealer.
First of all, nice presentation. You thought this through. But I disagree about the Custodes losing. I think the Custodes do in fact win the *majority* if not all scenarios, given ofc they had access to their full gear and naval assets, every single time.
Here's why: On paper it may look like a Genestealer uprising would overwhelm Terra's defenders easily in most cases because of the reasons you mentioned and you may be right when looking purely at statistics and timetable, if things played out mostly as the cultists wanted. But disregarding plot armor, we can't just look at Custodes in this particular instance, solely through their individual prowess. We must also factor in their resolve and resourcefullness. Same with their imperial allies and specificaly Terra, whole lot of other factors. But this is only about Custodes.
I think it would literaly not matter to the Custodes if there were 150 million, or 150 billion cultists.
The Custodes would simply not allow them to threaten the "live" of their Emperor. If it ever went down to a full blown Genestealer uprising on Terra, they might not resort to outright destroying the planet, for obvious reasons :v, but I'm 100% convinced, they would glass the entire surface around the Imperial Palace complex with their own fleet, that partialy weilds tech from the dark age and won't have difficulties obliterating any infested navy elements around Terra. Much to the dismay of the Terran populatoin, they would also not hesitate to reduce it to near 0. Ultimately it wouldn't matter to them if 99,9% died, so long as the Imperial Palace complex was cleansed and the Golden Throne was secure.
I think they wouldn't even second guess it, if things were *that* dire. This is why I think, they would win most, if not arguably all fights. If it were any other planet, they would have even less remorse about just scouring it clean from orbit.
So you're saying Vince McMahon is a genestealer? I can see it.
did you just quote the IRA lmaooo love it
Yessss! Victory for the hive mind. We will always endure
The custodes would probably hold the palace, and an inquisitor would get wind of the situation and a LOT of imperial force space marines guard regiments. it would be the siege of terra but against genestealers and the emperor himself can somewhat act and would give his banana boys visions also dark age of technology they have in the basement
And the lucifer blacks and the sister of silence are a thing
I think it may go that you get implanted and partnered with someone else implanted, that way there is less needing to find a partner going on.
those purestrain eyebrows. who could resist !
Love this video and I must say, you look good with that beret.
A lot of pilgrims come to Terra. Just stepping foot on the birth-world of humanity is more important than any other cathedral world. Staggering loads of people arrive daily as well.
Genestealer cults take a few generations to grow, I think. They are dependent on the patriarch and try hard to shelter the creature. This gets harder when you grow in size. The more people your conspiracy got in it, the greater the chance that some goon gets snagged in the imperial security net grows. Infiltrating local security organs is often a priority at this point, so you're the ones controlling the local militia.
Some imperial security institutions are harder to infiltrate, the arbitrators aren't going to show up at your weird local party or mingle around, they don't let the astropaths out of their chamber and the administratum blokes stay locked inside. These dudes often become heavily armed imperial holdouts, but that's a delaying fight most of the time. Arbites buildings are small forts with silly amounts of heavy weapons but you can overwhelm them in time.
The Imperium is a paranoid place where a fast-growing local sect is just the sort of thing someone keeps tabs on. An average factorium bloke or street enforcer might not but the powers that be are aware of just how many times weird cultist cells, xenos infections and other buggery was disguised by some dudes who put a robe and the aquila over the tentacles. In some stories they might have a battery of tests for infestation and screen a limited amount of people. Usually the above-mentioned ones, to make sure the arbites, a couple guard regiments or the dudes at the orbital laser defence aren't turned.
Hmmmm. I must have Missed Bolt Thowers EDM phase......
Didnt the book that came with the Genestealers v. Custodes set say that people in Terra were specially resistant to the Genestealer infection? They kind of said that some psychic power in Terra gave the people extra resistance.. 🤷
One of your best presentations Discourse. A good listen. Made a lot of sense, except for "in reality" (lol) there's a ton of other resources for the good ole empire to call on and they would. But it would require a game were the Genestealers respawn constantly but the empire holds them a bay with a lot of bolt rounds. Success would be measured by complex kill ratios. Could be fun though. Victory through firepower.
But hey, saved from Chaos!
I think the fact that the second humans let their guard down, even for an instant, it's all over for not just the Imperium but humanity in general, is part of the existential horror of the 40k universe. (Sorry for the run on sentence)
Genestealer Cults limousines , nuff said.
it's a big car
@@DiscourseMinis Don't diminish it : everyone knows you want the "vroom-vroom"
1000 custodes killed 100,000 orks and lost only 3 custodes in one battle during the horus heresy. Butt ya maybe the stealers are to many for just the custodes alone;P
Genestealers are sooo cool I love everything about them
Hopeless for the Custodes, yeah, but all they need to do is reset the Golden Throne so it can update to Windows XP SP2, finally, and Big E's psychich death scream and apotheosis to Godhood will kill all life in the system anyway. And His first words, heard in the minds of all mankind (except maybe psychic nulls) would be "I'm bored of this, I'm going for a Twix".
Seriously, GeeDubs, you can have this plot idea for free.
Love this lore video style