29 WORST Mistakes Every Miniature Wargamer Makes!
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Painting is my favorite part of the whole experience. The game is just an excuse to buy more fun models to paint. My minis are pretty amateur hour, but I find it relaxing. We have very different experiences
Once I can get into painting it's great, but I'll always have time for cutting up, sawing, drilling and glueing miniatures
maybe too much time
My go to relaxation is listening the the LOTR extended edition documenteries while painting middle earth inspired miniatures.
Based on your description. "I find it relaxing" You are doing it right. Congrats! Have Fun!
I started a sci fi campaign with the explicit purpose of having an excuse to paint more sci fi models.
I paint to fight depression and PTSD - for me painting is soothing and relaxing too.
Sooooo gooood 😅
I used to be embarrassed about the hobby, now I’m a bit older I go out of my way to show people what I’ve just painted even if they are not interested 😂
"Nuln oil wants to get back to its master" BAHAHAHAHA. This needs to be on a T-shirt @Discourse Miniatures
Nice to see Batman get mentioned again. We are small, but we are mighty.
KEY POINT that I feel was overlooked in this video. You DO NEED TO PAINT YOUR MODELS!! It’s ok if they are poorly painted, but at least you tried.
Personal favorite hobby anecdote is about applying for my current job (which I love). I work in a residential program for teens and my interviewer/would-be supervisor mentioned they have to get creative with things to entertain them sometimes, mentioning they bring in tabletop games for them to try. I put myself out there and started talking with them about my own wargame interests and we spent the next 15 minutes just shooting the shit about our favorite games. Never be ashamed of your hobby!
Some really good advice there. I’d certainly advise newcomers to start with One page rules even if they eventually want to play Warhammer, ideally the skirmish games “Grimdark Future Firefight” and “Age of Fantasy”. Also you don’t have to paint eyes, edge highlight or drill your barrels NONE OF THESE ARE COMPULSORY! ALSO MOST IMPORTANTLY MAKE SURE NONE OF YOUR HOME’S ROOMS HAVE GREY CARPETS!
knowing about wahpedia/battlescribe was a hobby saver for me.
really like 40k, but the cost of buying codex after codex is pretty unreasonable
Solid list.
I'll add another point: get proper tool for the modelling part of the hobby. Good quality plastic clippers, files and a good blade will get you going a lot easier than using what you can scrounge around in the house. Lesson learned as a teen in the late '80s.
God hand nippers are expensive, but I refuse to build anymore without them. They've spoiled me. Lol
@@remusventanus5341 Hardware stores (especially electronics stores like Radio Shack) sell them for cheaper.
I am super spoiled on the Redgrass nippers. I can cut right next to the piece without marring the plastic. Such a time saver.
#6 is a really cool thing. I've been in the hobby since 2020 (gee time does fly, 2020 seemed like yesterday) and only in this year I've been more open about my hobby, even posting on my personal Instagram account for a few months now, and let me tell ya, people are either amazed by the minis and are like: "OMG did you paint that BY HAND?" or just don't care at all and say "oh that's cool"
Yep. Most people don't have a creative hobby. Mostly they have passive hobbies like TV or books or at best video games with some creative content like Minecraft. And to them, even a beginner's paint job is impressive.
As Jay from eons of battle says, "say no to pots" haha. Yes, i have splilled my agrax earthshade last year. Was so angry because i just bought it two weeks prior. Great video btw Discourse.
my gym junky mates love looking at all my painted "war dollies"🤣(as i jokingly call them).... they love all the different cool things on shelves and in glass cases.... they want to get some of the things they see as tattoos
Excellent video.
My personal tip for those of us who wear contacts and are... not young. It was amazing to me how much my painting improved when I bought a pair of reading glasses, and could actually see well enough to keep the paint where I wanted it to go...
Really great tips one and all! I gotta admit I'm one of those guys that paints as I buy for the most part, I guess I'm just too broke to aquire a pile of shame.
I really appreciate the tips you gave on things like finding a gaming group and not overstressing over learning the game perfectly before trying it. I have made excuses about this time and time again because I am self conscious about not being able to memorize rules that well for some reason. I wish I had friends that were Into the hobby as I tend to learn by doing. For AOS I have been looking up the little exercises they provide in the extremis booklet to teach new players ( though sadly it wasn't also Included in the dominion box which is the one I had got, so I'm trying to find a site with these exercises printed out).
Tonite on discourse gear: James glues his head to a nurglings butt cheek, Hammond makes loaded dice with a microwave and I managed to stab myself in the hand with metal bits
Warlord, Wargames, the Foundry and many, many others make Historical Wargames outside GW's World of sci-fi/fantasy
Saga. Bishops War. Gangs of Rome .
#12 is huge. Learning to enjoy the experience will launch your overall experience in wargaming out of this world. Find the game that excites you, play, have fun. Fun little secret is that while there may only be one winner, if you are able to celebrate the other person's victory with them, you didn't really lose.
As a guard player, I had fun just seeing how long I could last. I remember once telling this to another 40K guy in the local FLGS and being told, "so, you don't care about the game?" Like somehow my playing for fun and recognizing that my mostly infantry IG army wasn't the most competitive army was an insult to 40K or something. All I could manage was an eye roll in response. Of course this is the same guy who was so hot to win that he would hire people to pro-paint his armies and accept awards for painted army.
Once you let go of the importance of winning, your fun factor will increase by legendary amounts. Thanks for calling that out. Most important tip in this video.
I was forced to learn this cause im shit at video games but still play with my friends.
The fun of playing needs to be stronger than love of winning cause youll give up if you turn out to be not great at it.
Like im crap at warhammer. But ill still borrow my buddys army and play against him. I get wrecked but its just nice to smoke weed and chat for a few hours
No word of a lie, that NMM Chaplains cloak... I saved that picture moons ago after he posted it as a WIP for NMM inspiration 😂
Great video! You've quickly become my favourite wargaming TH-camr :)
I don't think I've ever watched one of your vids that hasn't raised a smile. This one is no exception.
Great run down! Revell plastic cement is amazing, it bonds quickly and is so safe I can even let my five yr old use it without worrying about sticking themselves to the mini. I would add a good pair of flush-cutting plastic clippers, a mould line scraper and a fine scalpel are tools worth grabbing. All model shops carry them and they will last a life time if looked after :)
"Good from a far thought far from good." My personal philosophy regarding the quality of the paint jobs on the average model.
This video really helped. I tried putting together a Sister Superior and feel like I completely effed up the torso and leg assembly and feel like she looked horrible (literally third model I’ve made and the first two were free ones GW sent me as a promo). This really helped. I’m new. No one is going to judge my 32mm figure. Thank you
"Buy responsibiy and work through your backlog"
Heh! Good one...
Mistake Nr. 30: Never ever touch my painted minis without permission. Hands have been chopped off...
Here's my recommendation for anyone who wants try a game commanding an ARMY of little tiny soldiers: The venerable De Bellis Antiquitatis, or DBA as it's called by the community. Originally published in 1990, it was and still is a groundbreaking set which did away with most of the heavy and clunky rules conventions of the 1980s historical sets, replacing them with a simple system that still holds up today.
It is very easy to pick up since each army is made up of 12 stands with two to four minis on them, representing different troop types such as skirmishers, knights, pikes, bowmen and various other warriors. There are no points systems involved, and not all armies are equally strong, but most can do well, especially if terrain is used properly with lighter equipped forces. This means that you don't have to paint ranks upon ranks of troops to get a force that represents a typical army from history, such as Romans, Gauls, medieval knights or even the rumbling chariots of ancient Egypt!
A single game can be played in a very short time, from 30 minutes up. The rules are easy to learn but hard to master, with lots of tactical depth. Since single games are so quick to play, use can use the super simple campaign system in the book to play campaigns with up to six people over a single day.
DBA has been around for over 30 years now and many historical miniature manufacturers sell army packs corresponding to the DBA lists for a decent price, meaning getting into it is super easy.
Here's the link the game's Wikipedia page, which includes links to the best fan and resource pages. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Bellis_Antiquitatis
In short, if you want to play a tactical, quick game that looks like it's a Boomer wargame but doesn't play like one, give this a gander!
Knowing that there are other wargames out there is one thing. Finding other people to play those games with is another
Another advantage of superglue is glueing shut wounds hobby knives, spikes, weapons and d4s inflict on your body.
Fantastic as always!
Thank you for all your efforts in putting this together.
Great video & very true! 😄
Thanks too for highlighting Carnevale in one of your other videos - as I thought it looked interesting, had a go, and now love playing it 👍
Amazon has Kits for gunpla modelling tools that have everything you need to get started for less than the gw side clippers..
#10 crucial. Some people are fun vacuums. #11 also. In regards to attitude, remember it's toy soldiers man!
Brilliant video, so many good points. The one that stood out to me was about not going all in on a game, that’s the single best way to ensure you don’t get them built and painted. Slow grow is the way for any miniatures game.
My son and I love playing Don’t look back. A coop horror survival game.
I started war gaming before I went into the Army with those little Green Army Men. The neighborhood I grew up in is littered with those figures.
Yes... I do remember sering a Rhino and some space marines occupying floor space.
Seriously, Discourse, this is one of your best works for the miniature-gaming community . Great aedvice, great critiques of GW. I wish this had been around in 2004 when I got into 40K and WHFB at the same time. Great humor herein too!
Good advice. I got into the hobby during lockdowns. I'm in 'Rona quarantine and so grateful for my backlog.
Fwiw I got the Ash Wastes set and love it. Ther terrain is gorgeous and modular. Can't wait to play it.
You get a chance to play it yet? How was it? I got a box of it on the way. Necromunda seems like an awesome game.
If my mini looks good from two feet away at a 45 degree angle, they good.
Just by talking about liking wargames at work.. now every Sunday at work ... We never close so at 10:30pm.. most of us who work second shift and some of our customers play games from Grimdark future , Age of Fantasy , Magic the Gathering and Chess.. because all the local game store are closed when we get done work so work don't care as long as we buy a drink or like a snack... And we are there for hours.. it is super fun.
love these tips, i think i had to learn most of these lessons myself to, in one from or another - and im just starting to get comfortable with telling people its my hobby, but its a great time to do so
Skirmish games are great. Just recently got in to Malifaux, loving the setting and game play. Warhammer is definitely not the only show in town.
Really enjoyed this video. I watch all your TH-cam content which are a lot of fun and informative. This one was both plus had a nice positive spin. 👍
Thanks for the extremely positive attitude towards the hobby in general 😊
I have one to add
👏 stop 👏 painting 👏 them 👏 to 👏 look 👏 like 👏 the 👏 box 👏
Seriously, they might look cool how they are on the box but do you know what's cooler?
Your favourite colour that isn't on the goddamn box, it's not an instruction or "how its meant to look", it's just an example, something to show you what they COULD look like
My honest advice here is if you like to paint models but don't have a ton of money, offer to do commission painting. You can offer quite a bit less than some of these big commission painters and if you work out decent parameters for the commission with the person you are doing it for there may be no rush and you could make some money to spend on more paints, models, or even an airbrush. the big thing here is start small my first commission was 2k points of salamanders and it was a tall order, but it was super satisfying playing against the army and knowing I improved, had a lot of fun, and made some money to boot.
surprised when talking about glues "sprue glue" wasnt mentioned. i have 2 GW boxes sitting behind me right now and they havent been touched cause im painting D&D minis and set pieces for my partners game. hes the forever DM/GM.
the "paintRack" phone app on android is really handy for color comparisons amongst all the brands out there (specially if you want a GW color but dont want to give them your money).
partworks like done from hachette is an expensive way to collect an army but the bonuses of getting paints and paint brushes make them handy.
dont stick to just one paint brand cause there are many out there and dont scoff at companies like vallejo or AK interactive cause you can get more texture paint from their scenics ranges then buying a 24mg pot from GW (you get about 8 GW pots for one vallejo/AK interactive) *squeeling noises cause AK are doing weird colored texture paints right now under the banner "war gamer"* SENPAI FINALLY NOTICED UUUUUUUUUUUS!!!
Really good. I'll have to rewatch and make a list. I'm just starting minis and most of this is standard gaming info I have noted with any type of PvP (and even some coop) gaming.
I don't mind paying full price if I'm supporting my Local Game Store. Great Video!
#9: Not always true. Sometimes buying direct from the manufacturer can be cheaper, especially if you're not in the UK or USA because of shipping costs (and sometimes import fees). Sometimes only the manufacturer has what you want in stock (especially during the Covid period of short stock everywhere). I've even saved a small amount buying direct from GW (once) because of free shipping thresholds (the 3rd party's threshold was far higher than GW's). In an ideal world where every 3rd party retailer has full stock and has free shipping on any amount, it would be true.
I think #9 should be 'always shop around for the best deal'. And that doesn't just mean 'cheapest price'; things like fast and reliable shipping, or loyalty rewards can tip the balance.
"You're the expert"
I call BS! My gf wipes the floor with me in Oathmark!
I have really started to enjoy painting more now that I am using Speed Paints for a lot of the rank and file, then taking a bit more time with main characters. The feeling of a decently painted miniature seen from 3ft away feels pretty good.
Unrelated, but I forgot until recently how good picking up a metal miniature feels. I recently received an Infinity model to paint and after a decade (maybe more) of plastic, wow it felt good to hold something with some weight to it.
Metal minis feel good, but weighted bases give that to me without the problems of metal minis (paint barely sticking, chipping, bending, lack of customizability.
100% agreed on all of this, especially getting started with skirmish games! It's so much easier to get into Infinity or Frostgrave, have a painted squad, and not get overwhelmed by learning stats on 16 different units!
#29 is certainly true. I know a bunch of people who would be willing to try out a game, but wouldn't ever "get into" it themself. They like to play, but don't care about the building and painting parts of the hobby and ultimately aren't interested enough in these games to actually invest money into it.
So with my absolute inability to resist the shiny and new I'm the one to supply the next boardgame or the next army/gang/warband for a minis game ;) (though I'm getting better at it, my collection has become big enough to be a constant reminder that I don't have to buy new stuff all the time - there is a lot of older titles we haven't touched in a while :D )
Recently finished painting the starter gangs in the 2 player Carnevale box, I've ordered a couple more models for each side, to be able to get a bit more army building going, and to pad out those 150 point scenarios.
Though I've also succumbed to wanting more as well, ordering a box and some models of a 3rd faction (Patrician). But I will do my best to stay strong and resist further purchases until all new things are assembled, painted up and will have seen at least some play...
Really enjoyed this one. One of your best
I enjoy my painting time dont play all that much as due to location and i have never cared what anyone else says my life my hobby. My Hobby keeps me sane.
You learned all that in what 20 years, Little Miss smarty pants. It took me a flaming half century. Well done great video.
hey, remember the box that had 106 tactical marines and 9 rhinos.
Boogie and his 15 minutes of fame. He's come a long way from announcing his activities in the bathroom at Gallery of Champion Cards in Fayetteville.
Great advice, especially 6. This hobby (and RPG's) is so much more mainstream now then it was 40 years ago.
I couldn't afford the legal team for Warhammer anymore. I love Star Wars Legion and some others but SW:Legion is great for new gamers to the hobby. A loving community and they also have a skirmish game mode and you don't need much more then the Starter Boxes. And you don't really need terrain, some books, soda cans, whatever you have laying around. Love this list. Thank you for helping getting new people into the hobby that have some fears.
Also, support local game store. If you walk in and have a conversation they will be able to get into the groups their and help over come some of butterflies people might have.
"bundles are not your friend". God, this. So this. Yesterday, I was looking at a bundle I bought a year ago and wallowing in some buyer's remorse. I'd forgotten a very important rule: "A deal is only a good deal if you can BOTH afford it AND you were going to buy it any way.". Most of the items in that bundle were not items I was planning on getting. It was a fantastic discount, but it was not a good deal.
I read about someones spouse that didn't read everything when buying a bundle. It was a bit pricy, but she spent about $500 in historicals. Which meant about 1500 miniatures, because historical are cheap. Very happy husband, but somewhat overwhelmed.
Lots of great advice here. Got into 40k bigger than j should have as a kid when really I just wanted to paint a couple squads of vostroyans. Now that kill team is a thing I've sold all the tanks I don't want. (And to one of your other points, I repainted the little buggers)
i literally needed this video right now :D.
Ten, eleven and twelve hit hard. Great video!
This Christmas will be 20 years for me.
Solid list, its that sort of stuff no one usually tells new people to the hobby and it can be disheartening.
You kinda mentioned it: paint the cheap stuff first. For example: don't paint Mortarion as your first Death Guard mini, paint a bunch of Death Guard marines first. Work out what colour scheme you like, practice your techniques, get a result you're happy with, then move onto a character, see about putting in additional time and effort THEN MAYBE consider painting a single figure that costs £95
29! Where does bathe regularly come on your list for club members? Some guys down the hobby shops can be a bit "funky" smelling
I started wargaming in Battletech, I must be old. We dabbled in Rogue Trader but Battletech was my first. I think my second technically was Harpoon.
would be nice to know all the other miniature options available world wide. since i only know so few myself. might make for a fun video actually. with links to the online shop and what ever there is
Give Malifaux a try. Dicebreaker has a good video on the topic of "Miniature Games that arent Warhammer"
The point about buying from 3rd party is very good, my 1st two warhammer armies were bought directly from gw online store and I can barely look at those armies without induceing some shame about spending too much money.
"People who tell you they enjoy losing are lying."
Or... you know, they're Orks. Beat them now, you'll be sprouting squigs in a month.
A really good tip someone gave me is to not repaint minis but paint other minis because then you'll have TWO painted minis
Tis a good list! I agree on your point x, where other people compliment your amateure paintshop. I have had this happen so often. Remember, only you know people can paint the Mona Lisa on an Imperial Knights shoulder pad, and you will NEVER see it on the table because it is the Mona Lisa, condemned to stay in a case forever.
That bit about not going into bundles just for value is very true. Whether or not you're spending less than you would on the items separately, you're still buying more than you normally would. This can be bad, not just because it gives you more work to chip away at, but also because you might be convinced to buy models you don't actually want just for the sake of savings.
I need to stress this: if you don't want the model, it is _dead weight_ for you, in terms of money spent. You may end up canceling out any savings you get, just from the fact you don't want the miniature.
There are ways, of course, to recoup "losses" from a bundle like this. Plenty of people will resell such models. There is no shortage of Necron models, new on sprue or only assembled, on a secondary market, from people selling off the Necron half of their Indomitus boxes or the various bundles made from it.
(Although this is one of those instances where buying the bundle is the objectively correct decision: the Necron Warriors kit sells from GW for $50, which is the same price as the Recruit Edition bundle that contains the Necron Warriors kit and several other models. Due to GW's blind price increases, the bundle is just flat out better value, with no strings attached. You can sell off the Space Marine half if all you want is Necrons.)
My models are instantly perfect and golden daemon standard....with a single layer, screw multiple thin layers of the same color, 1 thin+ layer does the same trick followed by a drybrush....thats probably a speed paint trick.
i worked for Bryan Ansell when i lived in nottingham for wargames foundry and the foundry..used to go to GW all the time..so had a great insight into the company .
I have a tip, Vallejo has a dip pot that is basicly 200ml of nuln oil for around $20.
My minis are never finished, they're just abandoned. Often without eyes.
Heh...
I primed my Necrons in my bathroom with a Maston rattlecan. I don't recommend it but it's not as dangerous as people keep saying.
Or at least if you don't rattlecan a shit ton all the time. But yes, I do recommend that you rattlecan outside or in a well ventilated place :P
Great list, and also makes me think co-op wargames would be an awesome subject for some vids? :)
Great stuff friend 👏 👍
I learned to be ok with not winning and just wnjoying the gane when i spent a few months playing yugioh with people far more skilled than I. Now i play mtg with a sauron deck to enjoy the flavour and interaction and only taking the occasional win.
The #1 reaction when you tell people you paint minis..."well that's cool/neat"
So no rule for eating resin? Neat! I should put a fresh batch in the oven, dinner is coming up. :-D
Honestly I tend to make Jokes when I role a bunch of ones simply because I've never taken Warhammer Superseriously. So if I roll a load of one will playing necrons Ill be like. "Are you guys running on Windows Vista or something the targets over there."
One example of this where I had my opponent and his friend laughing was a Death Guard VS tau Match. I'm playing death Guard first shots i fire are from A blight Hauler. I kill on Fire Warrior that's stood on a roof in the open.
My opnent is looking a little shocked so I pip up. " some one yelled Duck and that dude said where"
Honestly I tend to find having a bit of witty humour with your aponants tend to be more fun socially anyway.
I almost bought out my LGS' necrons stock when I got started. Dropped 500 bucks on a start collecting box, warriors, 2 boxes of destroyers and 2 triarch stalkers (that's all I can remember) and forgot to buy a codex. A few years later I have 14k points of both necrons and ultramarines built, and about 2500 points of knights to build
7:10 that is also true for RPGs: I have people I am good friends with IRL but I simply refuse to play with them; my best friend included.
Great video Discourse!! Love how this still feels like a "there's more than GW products" vid haha!!
Definitely guilty of the 'buying into the hype' and have accumulated multiple piles of shames for AoS, 40k & now SW: Legion. Probably gonna try and sell off some 40k stuff since I've lost all interest in it thx to 9e (might just keep my Necrons tho, they're pretty cool lol)...but i've been saying that for about 2 yrs now, heheh
I mean you could always turn lemons into lemonade and try out One Page Rules!
been almost 10 years into the hobby, i'm "officially" the miniature painter in my club, and my tip for begginers is: start with metal or pewter miniatures, if you don't know how to paint, start out with metal miniatures, simply because you can use even thinner to remove the paint of a failed painting session. in other cases, IPA alcohol and probably alcohol as a fuel can be used to remove paint from miniatures as well, and it doesn't damage the mini.
Kinda disagee on that one. Metal is horor to paint and basecoat for absolute beginners and dropping them usually chips the paint ruining your work.
I hate gw as much as anyone else but their newer sculpts and push fit plastic models are pretty much the easyest minis to paint. The plastic is really forgiving and has almost no mould lines, the push fit allows to reach hard spots and dropping the model usually causes no damage. Also you get them really cheap on ebay as the unpopular half of their 2 player starter box sells for around 30-40 quid for a 1000p army
@@KT-pv3kl the paint removal. for me i prefer to work with metal models. i kinda got used to it, (also because here there is a very cheap primer to use either on brush or airbrush and he is very good to use in metal)
For those wanting a great skirmish game, check out Forbidden Psalm for dark fantasy, or Frostgrave are both great!!
Zona Alfa has solo/coop modes now too!
Frost Grave is one of my favorite games..
Hi everyone: try Osprey's games. Zona Alfa, Oathmark, Dragon Rampant, Frostgrave ect....
I always played the Baddies so loosing was normal. Aslong as I give my opponent a headache.
Number 6 is so right. I met my wife while group painting at a local hobby shop. If people ask us how we met we tell them. No shame in nerdy hobbies.
Just came across your channel i think you are freat and saved me from buying a huge boxset haha