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Sometime in the coming weeks would be a good time for reviews on the new power supplies that have direct cabling for these cards. Thanks for the benchmarks, the next two in the super line should be a little more interesting in price / perf.
@@GamersNexus also you are absolutely right, latency is getting more and more important with how high of a frame count you can get in esport titles like overwatch, cs, valorant etc... and with 540hz monitors available now I think GPU and system latency will be more and more of a factor
They had to add it because they keep testing on 6-8 years old games. It's cool to have one extra metric, not so cool to have it in a sea of outdated games that don't give the full picture.
The whole series was Nvidia's best new release offering ever since probably the original GeForce 256 DDR. Performance shot up, power consumption plummeted, GPGPU applications went through a renaissance, all cards from 1070 up stayed perfectly relevant for at least the next 3-4 years outside of RT workloads. Hell, 1080 Ti is still just fine for 1080p play for almost any game. Everything that came since has been a series of usual compromises that only become worthwhile after the mid-series refreshes like this one. That being said, this *does* look like a good refresh at least.
I do think it’d be helpful to include the 1080 Ti and 2080 Ti in these charts. Lots of old 1000 and 2000 series owners out there and anything 4070 and up is an upgrade for those entire series
As nice as it would be to have more numbers, the 1080ti is roughly equivalent to the 3060 and the 2080ti is roughly equivalent to the 3070. RT and dlss comparisons arent really needed because well...we know how much of that the 1080ti can do...which is little to none.
@@suchefindeI owned a 1080 then a 3060 TI and now a 4070 TI. You’ll be very pleased with whichever one you purchase! Makes light work of 1440p and great at 4k as well.
Market conditioning by Nvidia. Makes people think that it's a better value than it is. Sadly, several other reviewers are falling for it and recommending this card today.
Just popping in on the latency side of things - I'd love to ping over one of my open source latency testing tools for you to try out. It does the mouse movement testing you mentioned, it's a bit more automated, and it's fully open source (and available). I know it helps me a fair bit with testing, so hopefully it'd be a useful addition for you too!
@TechteamGB, nice of you to offer this. @GamersNexus, this is channel that called out MSI for trying to influence the review of a laptop a few years back, believe yourselves and HWUB highlighted it at the time? Great channel that deserves your support :)
Honestly the rx 7600 xt with it's bump 16 GB VRAM puts all overpriced mid tier ngreedia gpus to shame. But the ngreedia fanboys are buying those like blind nevertheless and push the prices even further to their own disadvantage. And to.add insult to injury nvidia just recently announced an old 3050 with only 6GB VRAM. This shows that ngreedia fanboys like to get milked. It's awful how they even apologize those prices with nonsensical inflation bs arguments. Ngreedia ... the way it's meant to be paid!
I love this new perspective on latency, it makes perfect sense. It reminds me of when gamers nexus implemented 0.1 low fps. when back in the past people only care about avg fps.
I have always talked about the importance on latency over average FPS. You can have 300FPS but with stutters and very high latency. I am the master of low latency thanks to my Audio engineering skills. We can not tolerate even 6MS. Of delay. Not even 3. ONE or zero
The 4070 ti super thing is so insane when I remembered that they originally wanted two 4080s in the lineup. So what was the plan there then?? Two 4080 supers???
@@crazybeatrice4555 I don’t think they really give a shit about the ‘consumer’ side of things considering the bank they are making in their business ‘AI’ products
Latency analysis is excellent. I would love to see how all the frame gen technologies effect latency if you all can fit it into your workflow. Great work!
It should be the most important thing in an all PC industry and modern gaming. Plus it’s my pet peeve and as an audio and sound engineer it’s the heart of the system. I have mastered it in gaming! But people need tho learn more about latency. It’s not an easy task to control everything that comes in and out of any PC. Now thanks to telemetry with out your consent. Thanks
Currently using a many years old EVGA 1080ti. Heavily considering upgrading to the 4080 Super at the end of this month based on the results I'm seeing in these new charts.
Yeah me too. Super cards always come out when the value is terrible, but as a 1080 user i cant hold off any longer. I wish the 50 series would release this year
make sure you take card size into account...psu requirements arent crazily higher, but space requirements sure have gone up. I opted for the 4070ti purely out of not being able to fit a 4080 in my case.
For that car comparison, that epidemic is known as the awful Piano Black plastic that manufacturers litter in car interiors. Absolutely perfect comparison.
Finally upgraded. Can't vouch for modern RTX cards, but coming from a GTX 1080 the 4070 super is awesome. Double the framerates, using less power and lower temps. Card is completely silent even when under load. The 1080 sounded like a jet engine while playing games.
The problem is those prices will never materialize in reality. The 4080 Super for example will probably be 1300-1400 Euro here in Europe. 4070 Super will be around 700-800 Euro. It's really disappointing Edit: It is also worth mentioning that the AMD prices are not inflated in retail here which increases their value in comparison even further. the Nvidia MSRP means nothing
@@daedalus6433 3K series launched into the biggest change that the modern world had ever seen, and that launch is completely incomparable to what's happening now.
It's worth considering adding Alan Wake 2 to the benchmark suite. It makes use of mesh shaders more than any other title. It would be interesting to know how these cards stack up when handling mesh shaders
The problem is that it's more expensive than the 4070 and 7800 XT, and still only has 12GB of vram. It's hard to justify paying 100 USD more than the 7800 XT to get less vram, and I suspect that the 4070 is going to be dropping somewhat below 550 as well, as it has already been available for below 550 at times over the last couple of months. 600 USD was a lot to pay for a graphics card with 12GB of vram a year ago, and now we're only about a year away from the next generation from both AMD and Nvidia, and maybe half a year away from Intel's new generation of cards as well.
Meanwhile, I'll be upgrading to a 4080 Super from a 4070 ti... tbf though before that I had a GTX 1080 ti plus the memory bandwidth and capacity of the 4070 ti just isn't cutting it for 4k even with dlss performance and frame gen enabled in some games already.
Addition of latency tests is awesome! Can you compare games as well ? For example ARK ASA & ASE has a lot of latency meanwhile Remnant II has very low latency when DLSS or FSR quality is on. (not having upscaling in that game increases latency tlto ).
@@GamersNexus Cool, could you add Ark: Survival Ascended to the tested games. it has a lot of latency on a 4090 on high settings. Reflex or DLSS 3 FG Doesn't seem to make it better or worse since the base line is soo high.
Will you by chance be adding more recent games in your benchmark suite? Also games that hit hard in RT such as Cyberpunk, Alan Wake 2 etc..? Games that Include frame generation? I feel that most folks interested in this card would be looking at what I've mentioned above.
Thanks for including GTX 1080 TI, you really know the space, as someone still using a GTX 1080 and looking to upgrade and debating between 4070 TI and 4070 Super this is insanely helpful.
Another big thank you for the addition of latency to the charts, and the inclusion of the EVGA RTX 2060 KO is a great idea. For me, the 4070 Ti Super (what a ridiculous name) is the most intriguing SKU, so I'm crossing my fingers on that one having some good value.
Basically. Should be cheaper for Nvidia, as well, since it uses a noticeably smaller die. But I could be wrong about that - there's rumors aplenty that Nvidia received massive discounts from Samsung because the yields were abysmal. Anyway, won't cost Jensen his next jacket.
bang on , the actual successor to 3080 the 4080 is terrible value its less of an uplift from 2080-3080 , I really dont give a shit rt its still in its infancy and its not like its a dramatic difference in most games between on and off the biggest advantage right now is for debs , it makes their work a good bit easier , while we incur a huge performance penality and have to run below native res. I have to laugh at the everyone who wants to see the 4080 super review because its a good £1000 for fe thats not good at all , and the aibs your talking £1200 -£1400
26:38 As of Dec 2023: 198 games include Raytracing, 365 games support DLSS2 upscale, 61 games support DLSS frame generation. These features do add value in 2024.
The 7800 XT is still compelling for 500$. If AMD drops the price to 450$ then it's a really good deal. Probably going to be the same story with the 4070 Ti Super vs 7900 XT and 4080 Super vs 7900 XTX. They will force AMD to lower their prices a bit. That's overall good for consumers I guess.
Great for US market but in most regions in the world, the 40 series are still on MSRP or padded even like in my region. 7800XT is still a great contender for Gaming only rig, at least in my region.
Good if it happens. Between the 2 cards users will have to decide whether they want to spend $100 more for slightly more performance and better RT + DLSS, or want to spend a bit less, and have 16GB rather than 12GB for games where that would matter, either now or in the future. Honestly if the 4070 Super had 16GB it would be pretty perfect. With 12GB I'm not sure.
i don't think any of these new cards are going to force AMD to drop prices. AIB's are going to be in the 650-750 dollar price range for the 4070 super.
Was reluctant to watch this as I had just done a new build with a 7800 XT a month ago. Honestly though, it's not bad and I've been getting more than the performance I was looking for and new stuff doesn't change that. In the price class I was looking for, maybe a 4070 SUPER is what i'd recommend to others building now but personally, I'm okay
Great review as always. Absolutely loved the latency testing. Something that is actually relevant and meaningful for the feeling of responsiveness and "snappiness" for the consumer, yet previously was hard to measure. 👍 Well done.
I was able to get a brand new refrence 6950xt from microcenter just before christmas for $550 before tax, from what ive seen I think I got a pretty good deal lol
I dont see a 3090 on the testing list anymore. Is it coming back? I'm so happy to see the new data for comparison!!! Thank you GN, continue to innovate, we appreciate you!
3080ti and 3090 are around the same ballpark. 3090 is only 2-4% faster depending on the AIB and OC. It would be interesting to see 1080ti on the chart too.
@@Hydra_X9K_Music People are incapable of realizing that something purchased for $500 in 2019 would cost $614 today. Typing in 'inflation calculator' in google is too difficult, I guess.
The 7800XT still has better value for money, IMO, as someone who doesn't care about RT, DLSS/FSR, etc. A Sapphire 7800XT can be had for as much as $799 AUD, a 4070 $888 AUD, and the 4070S is releasing at $1199 AUD at the cheapest.
would you be interested to add productivity benchmark for GPU's ? You are doing it for CPU's but renderers, but I would really know the improvements they do in productivity too in softwares like blender cycles, redshift, vrayGPU. etc...
Hey Steve, open source diffusion models and LLMs are growing in popularity day by day. Are you planning to do GPU benchmarking on these workloads in the future? I'm personally trying to decide between a 4070 Ti super and 4080 super because I'm planning to run LLMs, but I can't really find proper benchmarks for this.
@@GamersNexus Yes please do tests on ai workloads llm, stable diffusion even whisper ai translation. Don't worry about taking a while do to research just keep in mind that there are both rocm apps on linux and guis on windows that work with amd/intel.
@@GamersNexus You could do a test where you test 7b 13b and 13b+ models with a character limit see how much time it takes and the load/thermals of the gpu. With stable diffusion you can generate 1 - 10 images with varying sizes along with generating animations which is multiple images generated in 1 image. With whisper ai you can test how much delay there is in real time transcribing and translation. You can also transcribe/translate videos ranging from 1 mins, 10 mins, 30mins, 1hour and 1hour+ to see how long it takes between gpus. There are also creative tools like background audio remover and image upscaling via topaz or other companies that you can also test that have a load on the gpu.
Hmm... I would've expected a bit more uplift over the 4070 considering the increase in CUDA cores. Oh well... guess I'll have to wait for the Ti Super reviews and actual retail pricing in my neck of the woods.
@@DefeftThis right here. In bandwidth limited scenarios you'll get less of an uplift, but in compute limited scenarios you'll get far closer to the theoretical uplift based on the CUDA Core/TFLOPs increase
Now that we have frame generation, I feel like FPS is almost a useless metric now. Latency is a much better representation of the real performance you're getting coupled with image quality.
@@gozutheDJfig is frane interpolation , what it does is add a logical frame in between each real one to create a smoother image it does not increase your actual performance
Would really like to see a 13900K or 7800X3D for the test system in these GPU reviews, I don't get why you would use a 12700K still when there can be some differences even at high resolutions anymore. It's also not like those CPU's just came out, they've been out for closer to a year. IIRC you guys have used those processors for some videos involving GPUs anyway. Love the latency addition though and it's a great video as always.
@@ij6708They already re-ran a ton of the GPU results just for this video which you can see as there denoted "1/24". The 13900K came out in October 2022 within 12 days of the RTX 4090. They started using the 4090 in February 2023 and it became the test setup GPU by the 7000 series X3D's release date in February of 2023. They've had nearly a year to just switch to the 13900K or 7800X3D for GPU benchmarks, and have mentioned that the transition is coming, yet still haven't done it lol. Also, there can easily be a 20-40% performance difference at 1080p, and upwards of 15% at 1440p, between the 12700KF (or 12900K) and 13900K or 7800X3D, literally in GN's own testing with a 4090 so there is definitely a big enough jump in performance. GPU benchmarks are often not supposed to be CPU limited but they still show 1080p results and lots of people are interested in high framerate gaming so it just doesn't make sense to limit the test platform for this long.
I've been watching 6800xt/7800xt reviews a lot and they have basically the same performance and are also sold at the same price where I live. I hope the 4070 Super release pushes them down in price. I'll buy either one as soon as they are available below 500€.
I upgraded to the 7800xt hellhound from a msi duke 1080ti and i am very happy with my upgrade😁 its like a 50% increase on performance. Glad i waited all these years to upgrade.
Hi, I’m just wondering why you used a 12700KF cpu for testing, don’t get me wrong, I’ve once owned that cpu before and it performs well, but since this is purely gpu performance, shouldn’t you be using a cpu where it won’t bottleneck any gpu at all?
How is it gonna bottleneck any card? You mean those silly sites that say a 7700x is poor with a 4060 16gb and recommended a 32 core threadripper...😂 a cpu that has core performance of a cpu that is 6 years old.
@@mitri5389 You either don't know anything about cpu and system compatibility or you are purposefully try and spread misinformation. You clearly don't know what you are talking about. 7700x is a very good cpu, it can be paired up to a 4080 or 4070 Ti super which is suitable for max 1440p to high 4k with ray tracing. Threadrippers are not good for gaming whatsoever because of their relatively poor single core and, like cb2077 8 core performance as cpus like 12700k can go up to 4.9 Ghz (5 Ghz if unlocked) while a 32 core threadripper that cost about 10-15x as much will only get around 4.7-4.8 GHz. Resolution is the reason for bottlenecks, as the gpu aren't the demanded for lower resolutions. You would have to game at 12k resolution in order to fully use up the power of the 4090 when paired with a cpu that is 6 year old because of their performance. In case you don't know this, but in order to run a game, like cs go, a cpu is more demanded because of the amount of detailed needed to be process instead of CB2077 which requires geometric and parallel calculations which requires more gpu. So please, either get your information straight, or simply stop trying to comment random bs that does nothing.
@qGte saying that a 12700 cpu is gonna have any negative performances on any gpu made today or in the next 5 years is silly, especially for video games
Just a reminder that we used to get last gen 80 series performance in the 60-60ti class of cards for 300-400$, now we pay 600$. This is not good value. Period.
Hope you can take a look at Tekken 8, either as a one-off, or as a part of the regular hardware review suite. I'd be ecstatic if it somehow fits into regular hardware reviews. Fighting games have a unique scenario where they are locked at 60 fps (unless you mod the game) and with ideal settings/hardware you want the game to look as good as possible while never dipping below 60, with latency as low as possible, and frametimes as consistent as possible. There's more graphics settings in the game then ever before, and I'm a little lost on how to optimize for consistency (demo has been out for a while now, game is out in 10 days). Thanks Steve :^)
dont expect it to be cheaper. No FE variant and the AIBs will have them at $850+. 7900 XTs might drop in price afterwards. Im like you though, looking at either 7900 XT or 4070 Ti S.
Moving from 500 FPS to 1000 FPS is like moving from 4k Res to 8k. As in - Yes, there is a human level notable difference that, we humans, _can_ see .. but .. That difference is so tiny and so lacking in substantial difference and, much more importantly, the effort and lengths gone to get to those obvious diminishing returns is, frankly, absurd. Edit: I say that to support your decision to move to latency, good idea. Damned good idea.
I really think you should change the labeling on your graphs to make the names more readable. Maybe you could have the GPU name in front and the specific variant after, with the whole thing left-aligned? Lile "RTX 4070 Ti 12GB - Asus TUF stock (1/24)“ Or the opposite with the GPU all the way in the right. But the way it is now it's very hard to tell at a glance which GPU it is.
Mining is way easier on the gpu than gaming if they undervolted it well. The thermal cycling gaming cards undergo can do more damage than just staying fairly hot in a constant mining load.
I'm happy just sticking with my 7800xt red devil and overclocking it. 3,300mhz (Only hit 3,200) 985mV undervolt 2,600mhz vram +15% power boost 22,710 time spy GPU score.
I legitimatly cannot fathom how much everything has raised in prices. My first build was like $1500 back in 2016 and had a 1080 and 6700k. Now for an xx80 it's $1000? I used to be able to build a solid PC for the price of the new GPUs on their own.
Why bother? 3090 is like 3%-5% over 3080ti.. and 3080ti is barely 5% over the 3080.. The only good thing about 3090 was it's high VRAM.. the price was Super-Scam Still.. best minimng card back in 2020 era xD
Thank you for adding latency comparison. That's awesome, and I hope it sticks around in all your reviews. My hot take is that latency matters more to the gamer's overall experience than framerate, but I'm a Guitar Hero / Rock Band nerd, so you should probably ignore me.
Latency testing is a great addition to the list. I am wondering what the components of the latency testing rig are, and whether it's AMD or INTEL. Also curious which one of the two has lower latency. Solid video!
@@Smartem_ yeah I was really hoping for the price of that thing to come down in the last year but apparently that's not going to happen anytime soon or if at all. They made it $850, I'd immediately buy one. Especially the red devil. That's the one I want.
Latency testing seems to be the future after watching this. Amazing job getting ahead of most likely the future of benchmarks(specially with DLSS/FSR getting better).
Love the latency test. CS2 is a very good game for that kind of test and exactly what I was looking for. Could you include some mid range AMD card as well, like RX 6600?
Much appreciated to see the 3080 Ti back in the diagrams - I didn't watch all past reviews but I think I rarely saw it except in the initial 30xx videos. I'm afraid UWQHD resolution is too much to ask for as it's not widely used. I'll just keep telling myself that the performance is between 1440p and 4k, closer to 4k 🙈🤣
great review as always. I really love the input latency testing. I would love to see more of it going forward for sure. I primarily play fps shooters like mw3 and this is indeed useful info to note.
Kinda bummed that the 3090/TI isnt on this list considering it was last generation's "big" card and would have been nice to see the "X times faster" comments fall flat.
You can add an additional couple percentage points to the 3080Ti results and you'd have the 3090 results (for the most part of course, there'll be some exceptions). But I'd appreciate this a lot too Steve and team for the next review!
Thanks so much for starting to add latency! This is going to be very interesting, especially if you intend to also compare different components of the stack like input devices, operating systems, drivers, and games.
I appreciated the part where you suggested whether to upgrade atm, my 3070 is definitely falling behind but knowing it isn’t that far behind makes it easier to wait.
Been out of the loop for a while, went and bought a 4070 January 1st of this year. God bless microcenters return policies, I will be rolling up to exchange tomorrow 🤝
This card is not even any good, it performs right alongside the 7800XT, while it costs an extra $100 more than the 7800XT while it has less vram than the 7800XT
Gonna upgrade to the 4070 super from a 3060 Ti, I wanted a 3070 but had to settle with a 3060 Ti after a year of waiting. Gonna get about $250 for it anyway. The extra 4GB will be nice for future proofing. AMD has more ram and seems to trade some blows but has higher power consumption and I only have a 650W power supply.
I finally saved some money and bought myself a 7800xt. I was lucky enough to buy the Gigabute one for the MSRP. I was in doubts if I made the right call, as the 40-th series super launch was rumored around the corner. And from the looks of it, I made a good decision. The RT performance (30-50 FPS) in this price range is a joke anyway, so it will be my next 4 year GPU
Really curious if you notice and physical changes in the new card such as weight or stronger boards to resolve sag, cracks, and other issues with the weight of the cards being to heavy. Also would like to see the latency differences using a riser. I think these cards are just going to get heavier and I wonder if there will be more cases that either add GPU supports or more cases being designed for vertical placement like the Y60 and Y40.
Latency test is a great idea. FPS is not the end all be all for me. I care more for how responsive the game feel when I do something. Sometimes is input lag and sometimes is visual latency. But it's equally annoying. Sometimes you play a game that have all the frames. But still feel slow to react. While some low-ish frames game have a near instant response.
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Why isnt this pinned.
Great that you added a latency benchmark but the average performance per resolution is still missing :/
Why are you still using the 12700KF as CPU, can you do a benchmark comparing the CPUs performance with this card instead of a billions of games??
Sometime in the coming weeks would be a good time for reviews on the new power supplies that have direct cabling for these cards. Thanks for the benchmarks, the next two in the super line should be a little more interesting in price / perf.
i dont see a reason to buy this GPU instead of RX7800XT team green lose again imo
Pretty good specs for a $400 GPU. It is $400 right? Right?
$600
Probably 1000€ accounting for tax
Idk, I get your premise but I'm going to ask why it should be 400. Is it feels or a comparative analysis of market competitors.
Better off buying AMD
The 70 series MSRP hasn’t been $400 since the 1070. Come on now
Thank you for adding latency in your reviews! Ive always been looking for that but there is barely any information on this.
Absolutely! Can't wait to do more with it. This was just an initial experiment, but looks like people like it!
@@GamersNexus also you are absolutely right, latency is getting more and more important with how high of a frame count you can get in esport titles like overwatch, cs, valorant etc... and with 540hz monitors available now I think GPU and system latency will be more and more of a factor
Wrong kind of latency...
@@GamersNexus I think it is very useful information.
They had to add it because they keep testing on 6-8 years old games. It's cool to have one extra metric, not so cool to have it in a sea of outdated games that don't give the full picture.
1080Ti still showing it's face in benchmarks damm, that card aged well.
The whole series was Nvidia's best new release offering ever since probably the original GeForce 256 DDR. Performance shot up, power consumption plummeted, GPGPU applications went through a renaissance, all cards from 1070 up stayed perfectly relevant for at least the next 3-4 years outside of RT workloads. Hell, 1080 Ti is still just fine for 1080p play for almost any game. Everything that came since has been a series of usual compromises that only become worthwhile after the mid-series refreshes like this one. That being said, this *does* look like a good refresh at least.
Mine just died an hour ago 😢
Yup just like the 570/80/90 and beyond
It’s GOATED 7+ years later 🐐
GOAT
I do think it’d be helpful to include the 1080 Ti and 2080 Ti in these charts. Lots of old 1000 and 2000 series owners out there and anything 4070 and up is an upgrade for those entire series
Yes please hopefully in the 4070ti super review, I'm upgrading from a 2080ti.
I am rocking a 1080 FE that I am upgrading to a 4070 Super or 4070 Ti Super - just need to see his Ti Super review next week!
As nice as it would be to have more numbers, the 1080ti is roughly equivalent to the 3060 and the 2080ti is roughly equivalent to the 3070. RT and dlss comparisons arent really needed because well...we know how much of that the 1080ti can do...which is little to none.
Yes I was hoping to see a 2080 ti in there
@@suchefindeI owned a 1080 then a 3060 TI and now a 4070 TI. You’ll be very pleased with whichever one you purchase! Makes light work of 1440p and great at 4k as well.
I feel like the supers always come out when prices are terrible for new gpus
That's how it is lol
They want to millk it even more
Still 100$ too expensive for me, they're really close to having a decent price
That's how marketing works
Market conditioning by Nvidia. Makes people think that it's a better value than it is. Sadly, several other reviewers are falling for it and recommending this card today.
@@brad4690
I would rush to the store to buy the 4070ti super if it was $650
Just popping in on the latency side of things - I'd love to ping over one of my open source latency testing tools for you to try out. It does the mouse movement testing you mentioned, it's a bit more automated, and it's fully open source (and available). I know it helps me a fair bit with testing, so hopefully it'd be a useful addition for you too!
What is tool name? Is it on GitHub?
Would love to check it out! Thank you for the message. Will be in touch!
@TechteamGB, nice of you to offer this. @GamersNexus, this is channel that called out MSI for trying to influence the review of a laptop a few years back, believe yourselves and HWUB highlighted it at the time? Great channel that deserves your support :)
That's so cool
Got a link to the git repo? (Or the name of the repo if it's on Github since TH-cam will probably block the link)
As we expected, the new "SUPER" GPU's are the SKU's they should have released a year ago when the 40 series launched.
Nvidia has you right where they want you if you think $1000 for a 5% faster 4080 is how it should have been from the start.
@@andersjjensen I think OP means Performance wise, not price
2000 series showed Nvidia they can get away with it now. I totally agree that these are the performance tiers we came to expect.
Honestly the rx 7600 xt with it's bump 16 GB VRAM puts all overpriced mid tier ngreedia gpus to shame. But the ngreedia fanboys are buying those like blind nevertheless and push the prices even further to their own disadvantage. And to.add insult to injury nvidia just recently announced an old 3050 with only 6GB VRAM. This shows that ngreedia fanboys like to get milked. It's awful how they even apologize those prices with nonsensical inflation bs arguments.
Ngreedia ... the way it's meant to be paid!
@@aladdin8623 not everyone uses gpus for gaming. And the 7600xt ior AMD cards in general are horrible for machine learning/ai.
I love this new perspective on latency, it makes perfect sense. It reminds me of when gamers nexus implemented 0.1 low fps. when back in the past people only care about avg fps.
I have always talked about the importance on latency over average FPS. You can have 300FPS but with stutters and very high latency. I am the master of low latency thanks to my Audio engineering skills. We can not tolerate even 6MS. Of delay. Not even 3. ONE or zero
The 4070 ti super thing is so insane when I remembered that they originally wanted two 4080s in the lineup. So what was the plan there then?? Two 4080 supers???
It’s fairly simple actually, 4080 super and 4080 super duper
They just wouldn't have done a refresh, they only did this because their consumer lineup isnt selling as well as they'd like.
@@crazybeatrice4555 I don’t think they really give a shit about the ‘consumer’ side of things considering the bank they are making in their business ‘AI’ products
It would have been the 4080 12Gb Super and 4080 16Gb Super
4080 super and 4080 tie fighter
Latency analysis is excellent. I would love to see how all the frame gen technologies effect latency if you all can fit it into your workflow. Great work!
It should be the most important thing in an all PC industry and modern gaming. Plus it’s my pet peeve and as an audio and sound engineer it’s the heart of the system. I have mastered it in gaming! But people need tho learn more about latency. It’s not an easy task to control everything that comes in and out of any PC. Now thanks to telemetry with out your consent. Thanks
Currently using a many years old EVGA 1080ti. Heavily considering upgrading to the 4080 Super at the end of this month based on the results I'm seeing in these new charts.
Yeah me too. Super cards always come out when the value is terrible, but as a 1080 user i cant hold off any longer. I wish the 50 series would release this year
@@Robin-ou1gg There's rumors that 5080 / 5090 series will release at the end of this year if the 4000-series Super releases do not sell well.
4000 series will sell well unless the economy is as bad as it is@@mjong99
make sure you take card size into account...psu requirements arent crazily higher, but space requirements sure have gone up. I opted for the 4070ti purely out of not being able to fit a 4080 in my case.
Same here, been rocking my 1080ti for many years but may likely get the 4070ti Super when it drops which happens to be around on my birthday!
For that car comparison, that epidemic is known as the awful Piano Black plastic that manufacturers litter in car interiors. Absolutely perfect comparison.
Still was nowhere near as bad as the giant screen everywhere and no buttons trend.
@@username8644 Cant use your phone while driving but texting on a 12 inch built in display all good!
@@username8644Nothing better than having to navigate through menus just to turn on the AC.
@@username8644 And to complete the unholy trifecta, a turbo 4cyl with a CVT.
@@deanchurwe have fallen so far for this.
Just waiting on the 4070 Ti Super TIE
Don't forget the X! Announcing the new GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Super TIE X
RTX 4070 TISTIX tis dicks or alternatively thai sticks@@GamersNexus
@@GamersNexusSuper X TI
@GamersNexus it's Nvidia GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Super TIE Fighter X
@@GamersNexus & Knuckles
Finally upgraded. Can't vouch for modern RTX cards, but coming from a GTX 1080 the 4070 super is awesome. Double the framerates, using less power and lower temps. Card is completely silent even when under load. The 1080 sounded like a jet engine while playing games.
4:50 Piano black & gloss finish was the worse thing to ever happen to automotive interior design
It may be helpful to write a macro for clicking / movement that can be repeatable in multiple games. Love the new additional benchmark !
Already have that! But working on improving it!
The problem is those prices will never materialize in reality. The 4080 Super for example will probably be 1300-1400 Euro here in Europe. 4070 Super will be around 700-800 Euro. It's really disappointing Edit: It is also worth mentioning that the AMD prices are not inflated in retail here which increases their value in comparison even further. the Nvidia MSRP means nothing
Real
4070 Super FE is listed as 659 euros on french nvidia website
@@KDRSHVListed, will never sell for that. Already forgetting the 30 series launch and massive scalping AIBs did?
@@KDRSHV but are they actually going be in stock? You can never get them from Nvidias website in my experience
@@daedalus6433 3K series launched into the biggest change that the modern world had ever seen, and that launch is completely incomparable to what's happening now.
It's worth considering adding Alan Wake 2 to the benchmark suite. It makes use of mesh shaders more than any other title. It would be interesting to know how these cards stack up when handling mesh shaders
The problem is that it's more expensive than the 4070 and 7800 XT, and still only has 12GB of vram. It's hard to justify paying 100 USD more than the 7800 XT to get less vram, and I suspect that the 4070 is going to be dropping somewhat below 550 as well, as it has already been available for below 550 at times over the last couple of months. 600 USD was a lot to pay for a graphics card with 12GB of vram a year ago, and now we're only about a year away from the next generation from both AMD and Nvidia, and maybe half a year away from Intel's new generation of cards as well.
As an owner of a 3070, seems like I'll be waiting for the 5000 series.
Meanwhile, I'll be upgrading to a 4080 Super from a 4070 ti... tbf though before that I had a GTX 1080 ti plus the memory bandwidth and capacity of the 4070 ti just isn't cutting it for 4k even with dlss performance and frame gen enabled in some games already.
Same with my 3060ti.
Same with my 1060
As someone who is still using a 1070, I just want future GPU's to not be overly priced but still performs great. But I guess those days are gone.
not to be direct but if you that quickly where going to upgrade to next gen you should have brought a better card to begin with.
Addition of latency tests is awesome!
Can you compare games as well ? For example ARK ASA & ASE has a lot of latency meanwhile Remnant II has very low latency when DLSS or FSR quality is on. (not having upscaling in that game increases latency tlto ).
Might do separate or standalone FSR/DLSS latency impact testing with frame gen! Definitely adding more games for future testing as well.
@@GamersNexus Cool, could you add Ark: Survival Ascended to the tested games. it has a lot of latency on a 4090 on high settings. Reflex or DLSS 3 FG Doesn't seem to make it better or worse since the base line is soo high.
Absolutely love the icons at the beginning showing where the part came from. Transparency is dope.
I don’t need that. I know what they are talking about always. Helps the new kids on the block but I don’t see anything useful out of it.
Will you by chance be adding more recent games in your benchmark suite? Also games that hit hard in RT such as Cyberpunk, Alan Wake 2 etc..? Games that Include frame generation?
I feel that most folks interested in this card would be looking at what I've mentioned above.
Yeah it’s ridiculous.
Going to need a PhD soon to keep track on PC hardware
Thanks! Have you considered adding a QR code to the benchmark screens that would direct folks to the testing details, methodology, etc?
Super interesting idea! Have not considered that. Maybe as the website continues to roll-out, we might add that!
That's a great suggestion that aligns with their push for details on the website!
Thanks for including GTX 1080 TI, you really know the space, as someone still using a GTX 1080 and looking to upgrade and debating between 4070 TI and 4070 Super this is insanely helpful.
Another big thank you for the addition of latency to the charts, and the inclusion of the EVGA RTX 2060 KO is a great idea. For me, the 4070 Ti Super (what a ridiculous name) is the most intriguing SKU, so I'm crossing my fingers on that one having some good value.
Is that the one with 16GB?
Yup
Okay, basically a renamed RTX3080 12GB selling for the same price 4 years later.
Basically lol
Stop spreading misinformation. The 3070ti had a 600usd msrp.
Brainwashed people lol
But nvidia claim is faster than 3090😅
Basically. Should be cheaper for Nvidia, as well, since it uses a noticeably smaller die. But I could be wrong about that - there's rumors aplenty that Nvidia received massive discounts from Samsung because the yields were abysmal. Anyway, won't cost Jensen his next jacket.
bang on , the actual successor to 3080 the 4080 is terrible value its less of an uplift from 2080-3080 , I really dont give a shit rt its still in its infancy and its not like its a dramatic difference in most games between on and off the biggest advantage right now is for debs , it makes their work a good bit easier , while we incur a huge performance penality and have to run below native res. I have to laugh at the everyone who wants to see the 4080 super review because its a good £1000 for fe thats not good at all , and the aibs your talking £1200 -£1400
great now I want a GPU accented with fine Corinthian leather If its going to cost as much as a car might as well use the same marketing.
Magnificent, we really desperately needed another $1000+ card for over here in Australia. Terrific.
Even the normal 4070 is over 1000 bucks here.
more rotten green shit on the shelves
26:38 As of Dec 2023: 198 games include Raytracing, 365 games support DLSS2 upscale, 61 games support DLSS frame generation. These features do add value in 2024.
The 7800 XT is still compelling for 500$. If AMD drops the price to 450$ then it's a really good deal. Probably going to be the same story with the 4070 Ti Super vs 7900 XT and 4080 Super vs 7900 XTX. They will force AMD to lower their prices a bit. That's overall good for consumers I guess.
If AMD has to drop prices every time that Nvidia launches a new card then they as just as guilty of ripping off the consumer as Nvidia is accused of.
Great for US market but in most regions in the world, the 40 series are still on MSRP or padded even like in my region. 7800XT is still a great contender for Gaming only rig, at least in my region.
I just dont think it wil drop, the 7800XT is still a better buy than this new card.
Good if it happens. Between the 2 cards users will have to decide whether they want to spend $100 more for slightly more performance and better RT + DLSS, or want to spend a bit less, and have 16GB rather than 12GB for games where that would matter, either now or in the future. Honestly if the 4070 Super had 16GB it would be pretty perfect. With 12GB I'm not sure.
i don't think any of these new cards are going to force AMD to drop prices. AIB's are going to be in the 650-750 dollar price range for the 4070 super.
Was reluctant to watch this as I had just done a new build with a 7800 XT a month ago. Honestly though, it's not bad and I've been getting more than the performance I was looking for and new stuff doesn't change that. In the price class I was looking for, maybe a 4070 SUPER is what i'd recommend to others building now but personally, I'm okay
You have more vram! You win!
Which kind of 7800 xt did you get?
Judging off this video ya shouldve got a 6800 xt
Great review as always. Absolutely loved the latency testing. Something that is actually relevant and meaningful for the feeling of responsiveness and "snappiness" for the consumer, yet previously was hard to measure. 👍 Well done.
I was able to get a brand new refrence 6950xt from microcenter just before christmas for $550 before tax, from what ive seen I think I got a pretty good deal lol
I dont see a 3090 on the testing list anymore. Is it coming back?
I'm so happy to see the new data for comparison!!! Thank you GN, continue to innovate, we appreciate you!
3080ti and 3090 are around the same ballpark. 3090 is only 2-4% faster depending on the AIB and OC. It would be interesting to see 1080ti on the chart too.
@@adink6486That's incredibly misleading to say because the 3090 has double the vram.
@@username8644 unless you are vram-limited, of course
@@adink6486Nvidia's marketing specifically put this up against a 3090. It should have been on the charts
$600 for a 12GB card in 20204... why Nvidia...
Inflation, that's why.
@@Hydra_X9K_Music People are incapable of realizing that something purchased for $500 in 2019 would cost $614 today. Typing in 'inflation calculator' in google is too difficult, I guess.
Damn, the 6800 xt is looking pretty good at $450!
So glad I snagged a 6950 XT for $590 during black friday sales. Almost close to sane prices!
A much worse card for much less money seems fair
7800xt is the king of “midrange” AMD lost the plot at the high end low end, but they firmly hold the midrange with the 7800xt.
@@beau-urns good take actually
I just saw some at $399
The 7800XT still has better value for money, IMO, as someone who doesn't care about RT, DLSS/FSR, etc. A Sapphire 7800XT can be had for as much as $799 AUD, a 4070 $888 AUD, and the 4070S is releasing at $1199 AUD at the cheapest.
Sure glad I opted for a used Asus TUF 3080 for USD 380 5 days ago.
Waiting seemed pointless.
wait, it's just barely faster than the 7800xt?
And costs an extra $100 more than the 7800XT with less vram than the 7800XT.
The 4070 super ,however, is about 50-70% faster in Raytracing. @@gintozlato1880
@gintozlato1880 With much better upscaling features, RT performance, and encoders for rendering
@@Hydra_X9K_Music RT is a gimmick and will stay a gimmick until the next gen of consoles.
would you be interested to add productivity benchmark for GPU's ? You are doing it for CPU's but renderers, but I would really know the improvements they do in productivity too in softwares like blender cycles, redshift, vrayGPU. etc...
As someone that still owns a 1080 Ti, I appreciate you including results from a few games, with the 1080 Ti included
Hey Steve, open source diffusion models and LLMs are growing in popularity day by day. Are you planning to do GPU benchmarking on these workloads in the future? I'm personally trying to decide between a 4070 Ti super and 4080 super because I'm planning to run LLMs, but I can't really find proper benchmarks for this.
We're very interested in it but not sure how to test it yet! If you or anyone else have specific requests, post them here!
Didnt know this was AI Nexus and not Gamers Nexus
@@screwball69 ai and gamers go hand in hand.
@@GamersNexus Yes please do tests on ai workloads llm, stable diffusion even whisper ai translation. Don't worry about taking a while do to research just keep in mind that there are both rocm apps on linux and guis on windows that work with amd/intel.
@@GamersNexus You could do a test where you test 7b 13b and 13b+ models with a character limit see how much time it takes and the load/thermals of the gpu. With stable diffusion you can generate 1 - 10 images with varying sizes along with generating animations which is multiple images generated in 1 image. With whisper ai you can test how much delay there is in real time transcribing and translation. You can also transcribe/translate videos ranging from 1 mins, 10 mins, 30mins, 1hour and 1hour+ to see how long it takes between gpus. There are also creative tools like background audio remover and image upscaling via topaz or other companies that you can also test that have a load on the gpu.
Hmm... I would've expected a bit more uplift over the 4070 considering the increase in CUDA cores. Oh well... guess I'll have to wait for the Ti Super reviews and actual retail pricing in my neck of the woods.
It'll depend on the game tbh, some will have little improvement and others could have a 20% improvement
@@DefeftThis right here. In bandwidth limited scenarios you'll get less of an uplift, but in compute limited scenarios you'll get far closer to the theoretical uplift based on the CUDA Core/TFLOPs increase
Love the inclusion of latency information
Are we forgetting that NVIDIA marketed it as faster than a 3090, and seeing these results, it's barely equal to a 3080 Ti?
Nvidia said they used dlss3 in those tests, so they technically didn't lie. But ppl need to pay attention
@@XxAtomic646xX Yeah that's true but even so I doubt that it would reach that level of perfomance.
Btw, isn't the 3090 also able to run dlss 3?
@@BugZ001 dlss 3 can on be used on 40 series gpu. dlss 3.5(worse than dlss 3) however can be used on older gpu. its all really confusing
Now that we have frame generation, I feel like FPS is almost a useless metric now. Latency is a much better representation of the real performance you're getting coupled with image quality.
imagine acting like FG is the default for everyone
@@gozutheDJfig is frane interpolation , what it does is add a logical frame in between each real one to create a smoother image it does not increase your actual performance
Thank you for still including the 3070!
Would really like to see a 13900K or 7800X3D for the test system in these GPU reviews, I don't get why you would use a 12700K still when there can be some differences even at high resolutions anymore. It's also not like those CPU's just came out, they've been out for closer to a year. IIRC you guys have used those processors for some videos involving GPUs anyway. Love the latency addition though and it's a great video as always.
Reviews have several time getting worse and worse
Because they'd have to redo all the GPU benchmarks with the new platform. It's not a big enough jump in performance yet
@@ij6708They already re-ran a ton of the GPU results just for this video which you can see as there denoted "1/24".
The 13900K came out in October 2022 within 12 days of the RTX 4090. They started using the 4090 in February 2023 and it became the test setup GPU by the 7000 series X3D's release date in February of 2023. They've had nearly a year to just switch to the 13900K or 7800X3D for GPU benchmarks, and have mentioned that the transition is coming, yet still haven't done it lol.
Also, there can easily be a 20-40% performance difference at 1080p, and upwards of 15% at 1440p, between the 12700KF (or 12900K) and 13900K or 7800X3D, literally in GN's own testing with a 4090 so there is definitely a big enough jump in performance.
GPU benchmarks are often not supposed to be CPU limited but they still show 1080p results and lots of people are interested in high framerate gaming so it just doesn't make sense to limit the test platform for this long.
I've been watching 6800xt/7800xt reviews a lot and they have basically the same performance and are also sold at the same price where I live. I hope the 4070 Super release pushes them down in price. I'll buy either one as soon as they are available below 500€.
I upgraded to the 7800xt hellhound from a msi duke 1080ti and i am very happy with my upgrade😁 its like a 50% increase on performance. Glad i waited all these years to upgrade.
Thanks Steve & the team for another great review cheers
Hi, I’m just wondering why you used a 12700KF cpu for testing, don’t get me wrong, I’ve once owned that cpu before and it performs well, but since this is purely gpu performance, shouldn’t you be using a cpu where it won’t bottleneck any gpu at all?
How is it gonna bottleneck any card? You mean those silly sites that say a 7700x is poor with a 4060 16gb and recommended a 32 core threadripper...😂 a cpu that has core performance of a cpu that is 6 years old.
@@mitri5389 You either don't know anything about cpu and system compatibility or you are purposefully try and spread misinformation. You clearly don't know what you are talking about. 7700x is a very good cpu, it can be paired up to a 4080 or 4070 Ti super which is suitable for max 1440p to high 4k with ray tracing. Threadrippers are not good for gaming whatsoever because of their relatively poor single core and, like cb2077 8 core performance as cpus like 12700k can go up to 4.9 Ghz (5 Ghz if unlocked) while a 32 core threadripper that cost about 10-15x as much will only get around 4.7-4.8 GHz. Resolution is the reason for bottlenecks, as the gpu aren't the demanded for lower resolutions. You would have to game at 12k resolution in order to fully use up the power of the 4090 when paired with a cpu that is 6 year old because of their performance. In case you don't know this, but in order to run a game, like cs go, a cpu is more demanded because of the amount of detailed needed to be process instead of CB2077 which requires geometric and parallel calculations which requires more gpu. So please, either get your information straight, or simply stop trying to comment random bs that does nothing.
@qGte also cs go cpu demanding lmao 🤣
@@mitri5389 Thats what I said, did you read?
@qGte saying that a 12700 cpu is gonna have any negative performances on any gpu made today or in the next 5 years is silly, especially for video games
the fact you didn't add a rtx 3090 in the comparison is beyond my comprehension Mr. Nexus
Just a reminder that we used to get last gen 80 series performance in the 60-60ti class of cards for 300-400$, now we pay 600$. This is not good value. Period.
Hope you can take a look at Tekken 8, either as a one-off, or as a part of the regular hardware review suite. I'd be ecstatic if it somehow fits into regular hardware reviews. Fighting games have a unique scenario where they are locked at 60 fps (unless you mod the game) and with ideal settings/hardware you want the game to look as good as possible while never dipping below 60, with latency as low as possible, and frametimes as consistent as possible. There's more graphics settings in the game then ever before, and I'm a little lost on how to optimize for consistency (demo has been out for a while now, game is out in 10 days). Thanks Steve :^)
Yes please. Add Tekken 8 to a test
I'm excited to see the 4070ti super cause I'm looking at getting the 7900xt so if its cheaper then that and better i might just get it.
@@ancientflames tf is that logic
dont expect it to be cheaper. No FE variant and the AIBs will have them at $850+. 7900 XTs might drop in price afterwards. Im like you though, looking at either 7900 XT or 4070 Ti S.
Moving from 500 FPS to 1000 FPS is like moving from 4k Res to 8k. As in - Yes, there is a human level notable difference that, we humans, _can_ see
.. but .. That difference is so tiny and so lacking in substantial difference and, much more importantly, the effort and lengths gone to get to those obvious diminishing returns is, frankly, absurd.
Edit: I say that to support your decision to move to latency, good idea. Damned good idea.
I really think you should change the labeling on your graphs to make the names more readable.
Maybe you could have the GPU name in front and the specific variant after, with the whole thing left-aligned? Lile "RTX 4070 Ti 12GB - Asus TUF stock (1/24)“
Or the opposite with the GPU all the way in the right. But the way it is now it's very hard to tell at a glance which GPU it is.
The 6800xt is looking really good, especially with how much cheaper it is now in the after-market
Definitely a lot of second-hand options for GPUs out there lately!
I wouldn't buy a used GPU that existed in the mining era
Mining is way easier on the gpu than gaming if they undervolted it well.
The thermal cycling gaming cards undergo can do more damage than just staying fairly hot in a constant mining load.
The 6800 xt is overclocked there, and the 7800 xt just stock
It's the ram that burns out on the mining cards, and it is a documented thing @@tijlaerts
Thanks Steve !
I'm happy just sticking with my 7800xt red devil and overclocking it.
3,300mhz (Only hit 3,200)
985mV undervolt
2,600mhz vram
+15% power boost
22,710 time spy GPU score.
I legitimatly cannot fathom how much everything has raised in prices. My first build was like $1500 back in 2016 and had a 1080 and 6700k. Now for an xx80 it's $1000? I used to be able to build a solid PC for the price of the new GPUs on their own.
I have a 3090 and thinking about waiting for the next batch before upgrading. But I was always curious why the 3090 is never in anyone's charts 😞
Just add 2 fps to the 3080ti and there you got it.
@@robertopazsoldan9641 haha you made it too easy. Thank you🔥🔥
Why bother? 3090 is like 3%-5% over 3080ti.. and 3080ti is barely 5% over the 3080..
The only good thing about 3090 was it's high VRAM.. the price was Super-Scam
Still.. best minimng card back in 2020 era xD
Upgrade your CPU before your gpu
@BBWahoo GPU is more important.. unless he has low or med tier CPU
Why would they continue to use the 12vhpwr connector ?
is the best and is a standard
@@silvio3d "standard"
Thank you for adding latency comparison. That's awesome, and I hope it sticks around in all your reviews. My hot take is that latency matters more to the gamer's overall experience than framerate, but I'm a Guitar Hero / Rock Band nerd, so you should probably ignore me.
Solid review as always 💪 I'd love to see some Blender benchmarks for creators and workstation users
Latency testing is a great addition to the list. I am wondering what the components of the latency testing rig are, and whether it's AMD or INTEL. Also curious which one of the two has lower latency. Solid video!
Thnak you for including the 1080ti in your tests. I REALLY need those... I think it's time for me to upgrade to the 7900xtx.
I love how videos about nvidia gpus serve as marketing for amd gpus 😂 also thinking about going from 1080ti to 7900xtx now
@@Smartem_ yeah I was really hoping for the price of that thing to come down in the last year but apparently that's not going to happen anytime soon or if at all. They made it $850, I'd immediately buy one. Especially the red devil. That's the one I want.
I liked the selection of cards used. Really helps people with older cards get an idea of what type of uplift to expect.
Latency testing seems to be the future after watching this. Amazing job getting ahead of most likely the future of benchmarks(specially with DLSS/FSR getting better).
Love the latency test. CS2 is a very good game for that kind of test and exactly what I was looking for. Could you include some mid range AMD card as well, like RX 6600?
Nice review as always, just go a 7900 XTX to mess with NGreedia.
Much appreciated to see the 3080 Ti back in the diagrams - I didn't watch all past reviews but I think I rarely saw it except in the initial 30xx videos. I'm afraid UWQHD resolution is too much to ask for as it's not widely used. I'll just keep telling myself that the performance is between 1440p and 4k, closer to 4k 🙈🤣
I think you're forgetting about content creation with apps like premiere pro or for livestreaming. In that department NVidia is a no-brainer
So happy with my Sapphire 6800xt Nitro+ almost two years on it's been cool, quiet, and fast.
I would be really interested to see if the XTX stacks up vs the 4090 in end to end latency.
great review as always. I really love the input latency testing. I would love to see more of it going forward for sure. I primarily play fps shooters like mw3 and this is indeed useful info to note.
Steve giving bad FPS players a new reason to blame their bad gaming on, my system latency is higher 😂😂😂
Kinda bummed that the 3090/TI isnt on this list considering it was last generation's "big" card and would have been nice to see the "X times faster" comments fall flat.
Will add it in for the 4080 Super!
You can add an additional couple percentage points to the 3080Ti results and you'd have the 3090 results (for the most part of course, there'll be some exceptions). But I'd appreciate this a lot too Steve and team for the next review!
2020 AMD GPUs going toe to toe with 2024 Nvidia? and i was told I was an idiot for my 6750XT purchase at $300
For gaming yes but not in professional work.
@@Drew1218s If your work require GPU, you get a 4090 tho
@@Drew1218s who buys entry level cards for professional workloads?
@@FatetalityXI Nobody. He’s just delusional
@@Drew1218s holy sht the amount of amd fanboys in here, i pity you bro tough luck indeed
good idea for the input latency test !
Would really like to see more RT games included like Cyberpunk, Alan Wake 2, and Metro Exodus.
Thanks so much for starting to add latency! This is going to be very interesting, especially if you intend to also compare different components of the stack like input devices, operating systems, drivers, and games.
That 3080 still kicking. I mean I'd hope so considering the msrp, but got mine used @ 400 and glad I didn't wait for
The 4070 super.
I appreciated the part where you suggested whether to upgrade atm, my 3070 is definitely falling behind but knowing it isn’t that far behind makes it easier to wait.
Been out of the loop for a while, went and bought a 4070 January 1st of this year. God bless microcenters return policies, I will be rolling up to exchange tomorrow 🤝
Great. I hope that thanks to these super cards, 7900xt will drop in price
This card is not even any good, it performs right alongside the 7800XT, while it costs an extra $100 more than the 7800XT while it has less vram than the 7800XT
@@gintozlato1880wouldn't call 20-30% more performance alongside
@@RemyBDP But it is nowhere near that much lol.
@gintozlato1880 did you watch the video lol which benchmark would you consider alongside if anything a 3080 would be considered alongside
Well you got your wish (i bought the 7900 xt at launch 🤮)
Gonna upgrade to the 4070 super from a 3060 Ti, I wanted a 3070 but had to settle with a 3060 Ti after a year of waiting. Gonna get about $250 for it anyway. The extra 4GB will be nice for future proofing. AMD has more ram and seems to trade some blows but has higher power consumption and I only have a 650W power supply.
Adding latency is great, thanks for always pushing for more and better data.
I finally saved some money and bought myself a 7800xt. I was lucky enough to buy the Gigabute one for the MSRP. I was in doubts if I made the right call, as the 40-th series super launch was rumored around the corner. And from the looks of it, I made a good decision. The RT performance (30-50 FPS) in this price range is a joke anyway, so it will be my next 4 year GPU
Cope post alert.
how did i find this after 3 minutes of it being uploaded? it must be a sign to buy a new gpu
Amd gpu
Man, that 6950 XT just cruising by being a solid card all around.
As a 6900xt owner, I just wish they had a little more RT performance, it'd be a perfect card. Either way I can expect a 580 level of longevity
Bought it almost a year ago at €530~ and still winning
Personally i would've liked to see Cyberpunk 2077 in the benchmarks but regardless, thanks for the quality reviews as always!
Really curious if you notice and physical changes in the new card such as weight or stronger boards to resolve sag, cracks, and other issues with the weight of the cards being to heavy. Also would like to see the latency differences using a riser. I think these cards are just going to get heavier and I wonder if there will be more cases that either add GPU supports or more cases being designed for vertical placement like the Y60 and Y40.
I could see the partner cards start to include a cheap support bracket from ali baba. The sag on some of these cards is an eyesore
The sapphire nitro+ cam with a bracket. My brother got one
I have the impression that a normal 4080 vs 4080 super will be a difference of 5 fps.
5%
Latency test is a great idea. FPS is not the end all be all for me. I care more for how responsive the game feel when I do something. Sometimes is input lag and sometimes is visual latency. But it's equally annoying. Sometimes you play a game that have all the frames. But still feel slow to react. While some low-ish frames game have a near instant response.
This makes the sting of only being able to snag a 3080ti a couple of years ago during the GPU drought. Thanks Steve!
I just did 7800x3d + 7800xt Gigabyte OC, incredible combo.
Actually same, but who asked