I owned my FF for 2yrs and literally used it as my daily driver. I have two kids and it handled everything. I used to put power washers in the back and loaded it with groceries. I think the price is a reflection of 2 things… first the reliability of the PTU, which you noted. Thankfully there are now after market repair shops that can repair the PTU for about $10k which is significantly less than buying a new one. Second is the looks. You either love or hate the shooting brake design. Personally I loved it. With only 2300 made this is one of the best deals across the entire car market. I traded my FF in on an F12 but if you are looking for a practical Ferrari you just can’t go wrong with the FF. Loved every second of ownership.
@@jfkayne my mountain bike content owns your imaginary pos Ferrari and no content what so ever. You like to brag about being a baller but not one video of that Ferrari on your channel... Lol
I’ve always loved the hatchback shapes of the FF and the GTC4Lusso. I really think they nailed getting the hatchback shape to fit the Ferrari design language.
I think they nailed the look with this one. It's one of my favorite body styles. Behind the Bmw M clown shoe, the FF is my second favorite execution of the body type.
Ferrari FF Owner from Germany here who uses it a lot (bought it at 43000km / about 27000 miles) in 2018 and have used it extensively for 5 Years so far now with 108000km / 67000 miles on it. I was worried first about the yearly Costs like Ferraris usually need a lot after certain km/miles but ended up convinced seeing how a lot of FF Owners here in Germany/Austria/Switzerland apparently often even have over 150000km on their FFs (almost 100000 miles) without any Reliability issues. Yes it still costs a lot of Insurance etc. but so far i didn't have any major expensive Repairs, just the usual Oil Changes and Tire Replacements. It's definitely the Ferrari to own if you want to drive your Ferrari a lot unlike most other Ferraris. Prost & Cheers from Berchtesgaden in the Bavarian Alps
@@Engkushaini I did get to try the F12 Berlinetta for a few Days but it's not comparable to the FF. Yes it also has more Room and is less "Supercar" but it's definitely more Supercar than practical. Can't judge the 812
Thanks for releasing this video guys, I've been shopping around for my next daily so this is perfect timing. I think I've narrowed it down to this or a 2012 civic ex
I work at the Koenigsegg factory and out of all the cars, the Jesko is the funnest to drive... Christian Von Koenigsegg throws me the keys and says "try not to scratch it"
Lmao yeah leave it to Ferrari to try and reinvent 4wd. I remember seeing it on Topgear and the 4wd was terrible compared to a way cheaper Bentley that just used a normal transfer case lol.
Regarding the Transmission which i yet didn't have to replace. I'm Ferrari FF Owner from Germany here who uses it a lot (bought it at 43000km / about 27000 miles) in 2018 and have used it extensively for 5 Years so far now with 108000km / 67000 miles on it. I was worried first about the yearly Costs like Ferraris usually need a lot after certain km/miles but ended up convinced seeing how a lot of FF Owners here in Germany/Austria/Switzerland apparently often even have over 150000km on their FFs (almost 100000 miles) without any Reliability issues. Yes it still costs a lot of Insurance etc. but so far i didn't have any major expensive Repairs, just the usual Oil Changes and Tire Replacements. It's definitely the Ferrari to own if you want to drive your Ferrari a lot unlike most other Ferraris. Prost & Cheers from Berchtesgaden in the Bavarian Alps
Rumor is that this car was such a spectacular sales failure that when people applied to buy the higher end cars (no, you cannot just buy a new Ferrari, you must apply and be approved for the privilege). Ferrari required applicants to buy a FF along with the car they actually wanted to buy.
I remember reading the Motor Trend magazine in 2011 about the Ferrari FF while eating breakfast and waiting for my school bus to arrive. I was blown away looking at a photo of a Ferrari driving through the snow and I instantly fell in love with it. Sure it's a weird car but I have a soft spot for it.
I like weird and different. And some of these luxury vehicles drop like rocks the first few years. You want a 4 year old Porsche or a new Hyundai? I will take the Porsche but won’t blame anyone for taking the new Hyundai. Of course I do all my own mechanical repairs and maintenance so that helps. My wife has a cayenne and it’s getting a bit old.. I’m looking for a newer one and definitely going back to Porsche. Most reliable vehicle we have had tbh
when i was a kid i fell in love with the FF. ive been big on shooting brakes as far as i can remember, z3m ctsv e63 i love em all. if the FF has one fan, its me
I used to drive one for a little while. These are great cars and I could say Ferrari designed their best GT ever with this one. Perfect for long road trips (if you like gas stations ofc ^^). The only real problem was the front "gearbox" that works like a river of shit. Apart from this, I was surprised by how it's a relaxing car. Not like the Italia or others that scream "crush the pedal" at any time. This one gives you a nice feeling of just driving to have a break and forget about life. Nice car. Expensive asf at the begnning and when the front gearbox gives you a middle finger, but it's a Ferrari so you know you put your feet in an expensive religion when you drive these red cars... But for what it is I felt really surprised about how good it was as an [almost] daily driver.
@@DrMcMoist These type of owners sample high end sections. Until you find the Ones they like best. One exception seems to be 911 owners. For some reasons that's what they want. Until they trade-up for the $pecial or newer 911.
$80-90k is a bargain for these. Considering it's not much more than a used GTR with similar mileage and these are basically discount F12's. The main cause for the low entry cost seems to be the PTU (the front power transfer unit). There are now repair kits for under $10k, but going through the dealer for a PTU repair would cost ~$40k. However, some folks at the Ferrari Chat forums mentioned a shop that does a RWD conversion and deleting the PTU altogether, which is what I'd do if I have one of these.
If I'd be able to afford one of these I would buy it instantly, I feel people are sleeping on this odd ball Ferrari and will be a really sought after model in the future. It's sort of the best of both worlds.
Hugely underrated, and Chris Harris loves his - it may have hatchback though but it's a shooting brake! There's no equivalent EV either so I think this will hold its value well and even maybe go back up.
Honestly the only thing holding it back is those 2 transmissions been know for just going out. Then taking an arm and a leg to repair. It's deprecated so much probably because people would drive them till something give out then get another car. It's just not worth fixing if it cost almost half the current price of the car.
@@aaronburkeen6409 , there's a company in the US that specializes in rebuilding all the seals and items that go bad from factory in the front drive unit. The problem is the work is around $13.5k (if I'm remembering from the last video I saw about FF/GTC4 reliability).
I remember when these came out, as a Ferrari purist I HATED it. But when I saw one in person, that Ferrari magic was still there, and I thought it looked pretty nice!
This car has actually appreciated since Covid. They're also realistically not as cheap as the one in this video. If you want a well cared for example with less than say 15k miles, you're looking at more around $150,000. If you're buying one of these for less than $100,000 then it either has a bunch of miles or there's an issue. Repair work and parts are also quite expensive.
I am a certified zoomer and I LOVED the FF when it came out (and still do). Always been a fan of shooting brakes. Kinda sad I don't see many out on the road.
I love shooting brakes. Loved the FF when it came out and still do. Still wanting a few in different colors, red, silver, white, black, yellow.... there's 7 days in a week.
Us old farts remember the BMW Z3 Coupe. Pretty universally hated, but I absolutely love it! Same goes for this one. I could see myself owning an FF over most other Ferraris, no matter if they were as affordable as this one.
As an FF owner, this car is too much fun to drive to not drive it every day. Mine is still under warranty so maintenance has had no real cost. The common fear of a $30,000 fix for the transmission is overblown. Maybe 10% have had that problem, and now there are $10,000 solutions. I’ve always loved the unique look of shooting brakes. Sure a Panamera is less expensive, but are quite common. I don’t see any other FF’s. I’d guess that here are only 400 of these in the USA, and most of those are in Florida and California. Usually owners have other Ferraris. The going rate in the USA on BAT has been $130,000. For a late model, low mileage FF from a Ferrari dealer with a two year extension on the warranty runs more like $170,000. Every extra 1,000 miles costs $1,000 on resale. Since FF’s are often high mileage, that can subtract a lot. I have been in a Purosangue and the advantage is four doors. I’m 6’4” and the back seat space fine but is the same as the FF. But they are sold out until 2025. This review was good and enjoyable. The title works as clickbait.
Finally someone who actually knows what they are talking about. All the comments about the FF being a moneypit are from people who have never owned a car like this, probably never will and are jealous and want to talk shit to make themselves feel better about it. There are companies who can carry out an £8,000 fix on the transmission to stop it from ever going in the first place, and the car is otherwise very reliable.
Find me any 330k without notable pricey issues. Expensive complicated things break and cost a lot to fix. A friend's dad had to replace the hybrid battery on a P1. It cost c. £100k s@@maxmusterman-yr5mq
I love hatchbacks a LOT. They're so practical for their size. I can carry all of my belongings from one side of the country to another. The FF is absolutely one of my dream cars. Beautiful car and so awesome that the price has come fown to where i still cant afford it😂
I always found it funny that «hatchback» seems to be such a four letter word in the US! To the point that the Jetta used to be one of the most popular models there because people absolutely had to have a trunk on their Golf 😅
I got to sit in one of these not too long ago. I'm guessing it's this exact car as most of this video was filmed in my neighborhood! The owner was nice enough to let me hop in after I told him it was my dream car. Such a sweet ride.
Personally, I love the look of the FF, looks a lot like the Aston Martin zagato shooting brake, surprised these depreciated as much as they did, especially with that Ferrari V12
I imagine the FF going the same way as the Dino, people shat all over them, I remember 10-15 years ago you could buy a Dino for 30k, nowadays they’re 500k. The same I think will happen to the FF considering its styling is very polarizing but it grows on you after awhile much like the Dino
Could be but I think the issue is it is just a 4 seater with front engine. For example Ferrari 400i is also a rare 4 seater btw during its years one of the most expensive one and its as rare as many other sometimes more than 10 times more valuable Ferraris from the same age but its still one of the cheapest Ferraris for sale.
The only Ferrari that i will ever wanna daily drive is a F355 Berlinetta, with a gated 6-speed manual, leather saloon and an AC. That's it. I don't need fancy stereo, i don't need radar guided or actually any kind of cruise control. Just give me that glorious V8 mated to a manual gearbox and a timeless Italian style and i have it all.
Totally agree with this, I always loved that this car had the hatchback. I just wonder if theres an affordable long-term solution for that faulty front transmission. Maybe bypass it entirely and just make it RWD lmao
There is, it's the GTC4 Lusso.. the Lusso looks even better imo.. You can get it in the AWD N/A V12, but they also make a RWD twin turbo V8.. one would hope the front trans in the v12 Lusso would be better than the FF, but considering they made the RWD w/ a diff motor to distract you, I doubt it.
James, the E30 might look small. But that trunk is BIGGG. of you cant fold back the seats. But the amount of stuff ive hauled in my e30 coupe is insane.
Onestly i think the FF wasnt a hatchback but more like a 2 door station wagon like vw did in the begining of the 90s with the Corrado anyway the FF is really cool for what is was
I remember seeing the FF in person for the first time in Neiman Marcus, the year they released their Neiman Edition FF. I thought it was stunning then, and still think it’s still stunning now.
A shooting brake _was_ Ferrari's answer to a Lambo SUV. Ferrari: "We'll never make an SUV!" Drunken Millionaire: "Well, how about a two-door station wagon?" Ferrari: "Oh, we can do that. No problem!"
@BogeyTheBear you got it, that's exactly what a shooting break was. A zagato bodied or custom station wagon to use at your country home. Aston martin shooting break, Rolls-Royce shooting break. They all kind of lost their purpose for hunting parties as the range rover did a better job. The FF has depreciated so much because people don't understand its purpose or design. So it just looks weird to most.
This Ferrari has always been one of my top 5 favorites they ever made. I loved the sleek look of the car and the fact that it retained the legendary Ferrari V12. It was the best of both worlds. You could rip around on a twisty road, but then go pick up the kiddos when you're done and take them to soccer practice. I mean, I guess I get why it depreciated so much in the eyes of the "purists", but I'd buy one today if I could find one for the price advertised here.
My Panamera is super functional. I literally can put 8’ sticks of trim in it inside from Home Depot and the hatchback you can load up on a Costco run. I would go that route..
Since when is an overpriced, underperforming masserati practical? A masserati is for someone who want to look flashy and doesn't care about getting a good value.
You guys have the best car program ever made! Sure Top-Gear had some more "fantastic" stuff they did, but when it comes down to just cars, nobody has ever done it better than you! Funny, informative and delivered by true car lovers that don't hunger for fame. You just come across as super fucking nice and funny guys, and I kinda wish I could be a part of your team! :)
Cool review!. We have a Ferrari club at my work come in at least once per year along with numerous other car clubs so I've seen these numerous times. At first I wasn't very fond of them but they sure have grown on me and I Really like them now!.
So I just did a little check, me and a mate went to ELMS at Spa-Francorchamps recently, and we took a 2008 BMW 318i Touring, i just compared our baggage with the liter capacity of the FF, it would have fit, easily. I understand that liter capacity isn't always used to its full potential, but it worked, with margin for error accounted for. A Ferrari FF is just as practical as a BMW 318i Touring, wadda ya know... Also I love the hatchback (shooting break?) style of the GT5CLusso and the FF, they are just so not-Ferrari that I love them!
The hatchback was reminiscent of the Ferrari 250 GT SWB "Breadvan". That was also the inspiration of the BMW Z3 coupé, which was a side project of the BMW engineers in that time. They did this in their free time. Technically the "Breadvan" wasnt a hatchback. It was a race car, and the form was made to be aerodynamicly stable for the 24h of Le Mans. It was a customer race car, based on the 250 GT with the short wheelbase. And the owner wanted to compete against the new 250 GTO - which Enzo refused to sell to him.
Donut is truly missing out on not having James. I still love donut. I wish they could’ve worked things out. I just love what James brings to the whole thing.
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From talking about Skylines to driving Ferarris on canyon roads with his boys. James has had a legendary come up.
And that first Up to Speed video was like 6 years ago... Man time goes fast
I still rewatch it from time to time for the nostalgia
Yeah he’s probably glad he gave up Acting ! LoL
Don't forget pagani Huayra BC
_and_ the king of playing Siamese Twins.
Still acts like a 12 year old though, he’d be much better at late night infomercials with his fake ass energy.
I’ve always thought the FF was the shooting brake version of the F12, and the GTC4 was the shooting brake version of the 812. I love these.
it is, isn't it?
Basically it is, no?
I only said this cuz James said the front headlights were close to the 458, but I’m like “no it’s an F12 shooting brake” lol
Kinda reminds me of the clownshoe
as an f12 owner..... its nothing like the F12@@Theesvpremekai
The most depreciated Ferrari yet its still 85 grand out of my budget
I was about to comment the same thing 😂.
Hey, the secondary transmission is only like twice what my car cost😂
The repair and service bills will be just as much probably 😁
@@hedonismbot3274Ya try like $3K for a service
I feel your pain
The Ferrari FF is definitely the most underrated Ferrari ever. It is soooooo cool! Who wouldnt want a shooting brake Ferrari?
I owned my FF for 2yrs and literally used it as my daily driver. I have two kids and it handled everything. I used to put power washers in the back and loaded it with groceries. I think the price is a reflection of 2 things… first the reliability of the PTU, which you noted. Thankfully there are now after market repair shops that can repair the PTU for about $10k which is significantly less than buying a new one. Second is the looks. You either love or hate the shooting brake design. Personally I loved it. With only 2300 made this is one of the best deals across the entire car market. I traded my FF in on an F12 but if you are looking for a practical Ferrari you just can’t go wrong with the FF. Loved every second of ownership.
Wow what a baller, daily driving a old used pos Ferrari, making them big deals moving pressure washers like a boss! CEO for sure...
@@polska905 😂 how’s your life going as an internet troll
@@jfkayne balllllinnn!
@@polska905 looks like it!!! Your mountain bike content is sick. It was almost like watching an extreme athlete. So rad dude 👍
@@jfkayne my mountain bike content owns your imaginary pos Ferrari and no content what so ever. You like to brag about being a baller but not one video of that Ferrari on your channel... Lol
I’ve always loved the hatchback shapes of the FF and the GTC4Lusso. I really think they nailed getting the hatchback shape to fit the Ferrari design language.
I agree!!
my fav ferrari, not that cr4p of purosangue they're selling now
My fave ferrari is the f12berlinetta
it's beautiful
I think they nailed the look with this one. It's one of my favorite body styles. Behind the Bmw M clown shoe, the FF is my second favorite execution of the body type.
Man the FF and GTC Lusso is one of the few Ferraris that’s I genuinely like.
the FF is hands down my favorite ferrari. Love me a shooting break
@@zaboo4088Yeah and it has back seats
I agree with this
get your eyes checked
yeah, same. the other ones are cool as well, I'd want to drive them but not own them.
Ferrari FF Owner from Germany here who uses it a lot (bought it at 43000km / about 27000 miles) in 2018 and have used it extensively for 5 Years so far now with 108000km / 67000 miles on it.
I was worried first about the yearly Costs like Ferraris usually need a lot after certain km/miles but ended up convinced seeing how a lot of FF Owners here in Germany/Austria/Switzerland apparently often even have over 150000km on their FFs (almost 100000 miles) without any Reliability issues.
Yes it still costs a lot of Insurance etc. but so far i didn't have any major expensive Repairs, just the usual Oil Changes and Tire Replacements.
It's definitely the Ferrari to own if you want to drive your Ferrari a lot unlike most other Ferraris.
Prost & Cheers from Berchtesgaden in the Bavarian Alps
Did u like the f12 or the 812?
@@Engkushaini
I did get to try the F12 Berlinetta for a few Days but it's not comparable to the FF. Yes it also has more Room and is less "Supercar" but it's definitely more Supercar than practical.
Can't judge the 812
Sag Bescheid, wenn du ihn mir mit 500.000km verkaufen willst, dann kann ich ihn mir vielleicht leisten😂
how much is the insurance cost?
Thanks for releasing this video guys, I've been shopping around for my next daily so this is perfect timing. I think I've narrowed it down to this or a 2012 civic ex
same
Love it! For me it choosing between this and a FRS.. I love a 2 door w/ a back seat, just can't decide whether I want a hatchback or coupe 🤔 lol
😂
The giggle from James and Nolan after every hard acceleration tells me everything I need to know about this Ferrari. 👍
I work at a ferrari dealership, and out of all the cars i have to move or test drive. This one is one of the easiest and most fun. Great vid!
I would hate having to move and test drive all those Ferraris….
I work at the Koenigsegg factory and out of all the cars, the Jesko is the funnest to drive... Christian Von Koenigsegg throws me the keys and says "try not to scratch it"
@@imnotarob0t1984lmao sure bro
@@imnotarob0t1984I work at the Truth factory and out of all the lies I heard this week, this one's my favorite.
@@rks5457lol
Replacing the transmissions makes the depreciation a lot more understanding 😂
Lmao yeah leave it to Ferrari to try and reinvent 4wd. I remember seeing it on Topgear and the 4wd was terrible compared to a way cheaper Bentley that just used a normal transfer case lol.
30k for their very unreliable transfer box. 😳
Most cars it was a recall they replaced them... free.99
Kinda like the 355 that needs an engine-our service for pretty much everything - but it still eventually went up in price
Regarding the Transmission which i yet didn't have to replace. I'm Ferrari FF Owner from Germany here who uses it a lot (bought it at 43000km / about 27000 miles) in 2018 and have used it extensively for 5 Years so far now with 108000km / 67000 miles on it.
I was worried first about the yearly Costs like Ferraris usually need a lot after certain km/miles but ended up convinced seeing how a lot of FF Owners here in Germany/Austria/Switzerland apparently often even have over 150000km on their FFs (almost 100000 miles) without any Reliability issues.
Yes it still costs a lot of Insurance etc. but so far i didn't have any major expensive Repairs, just the usual Oil Changes and Tire Replacements.
It's definitely the Ferrari to own if you want to drive your Ferrari a lot unlike most other Ferraris.
Prost & Cheers from Berchtesgaden in the Bavarian Alps
Hands down one of my favorite Ferrari's. Kinda prefer it over the new SUV that they insist isn't.
Then buy it
that SUV is amazing tho
Why you hate SUVs?
@@dr.science_0177physics.
It’s a crossover not suv. They are just gonna convince us but it’s a crossover.
Love the FF, imagine going up to Tahoe over the holidays. V12 screaming and 3 people with you. Sublime Motoring
Rumor is that this car was such a spectacular sales failure that when people applied to buy the higher end cars (no, you cannot just buy a new Ferrari, you must apply and be approved for the privilege). Ferrari required applicants to buy a FF along with the car they actually wanted to buy.
I remember reading the Motor Trend magazine in 2011 about the Ferrari FF while eating breakfast and waiting for my school bus to arrive. I was blown away looking at a photo of a Ferrari driving through the snow and I instantly fell in love with it. Sure it's a weird car but I have a soft spot for it.
I like weird and different. And some of these luxury vehicles drop like rocks the first few years.
You want a 4 year old Porsche or a new Hyundai? I will take the Porsche but won’t blame anyone for taking the new Hyundai. Of course I do all my own mechanical repairs and maintenance so that helps. My wife has a cayenne and it’s getting a bit old.. I’m looking for a newer one and definitely going back to Porsche. Most reliable vehicle we have had tbh
we had the same childhood bro. i had all the car magazine subscriptions when i was a kid and the ff really stuck out to me
As long as your money is available no problem.
“The hatchback Ferrari”
In all seriousness I’ve always loved the idea of the school run with my kids in this with them in the back
Your kids would be embarrassed
@@TJ-Wwhy would they be embarrassed atleast they own a ferrari wich has a v12
@@TJ-W embarrassed???? over getting taken to school in a V12 Ferrari???? what?!?!?!?!
@@TJ-W yeah, jack, whose mom drives a prius will sure laugh. at his own mother that is
@@TJ-WWtf are you talking about? Maybe you grew up rich but most normal folks don't and would love being driven to school in a V12 Ferrari
If I'd have known they were gonna depreciate this much, I'd have started saving up like ten years ago.
Don't the reason it depreciated so much is because is a moneypit
So, you are saying that if you could know the future, you would do things differently? That's a pretty shocking statement.
You can't afford them new, you can't afford them used.
Might want to save up another 10 years for gearboxes replacements and carbon ceramics brakes.
@@2810Mad They're even more expensive when used, yup...
when i was a kid i fell in love with the FF. ive been big on shooting brakes as far as i can remember, z3m ctsv e63 i love em all. if the FF has one fan, its me
I used to drive one for a little while. These are great cars and I could say Ferrari designed their best GT ever with this one. Perfect for long road trips (if you like gas stations ofc ^^).
The only real problem was the front "gearbox" that works like a river of shit. Apart from this, I was surprised by how it's a relaxing car. Not like the Italia or others that scream "crush the pedal" at any time. This one gives you a nice feeling of just driving to have a break and forget about life.
Nice car. Expensive asf at the begnning and when the front gearbox gives you a middle finger, but it's a Ferrari so you know you put your feet in an expensive religion when you drive these red cars... But for what it is I felt really surprised about how good it was as an [almost] daily driver.
What do you mean you "drove one for a little while"?
Like a business car?
@@DrMcMoist
These type of owners sample high end sections. Until you find the Ones they like best.
One exception seems to be 911 owners. For some reasons that's what they want. Until they trade-up for the $pecial or newer 911.
@@GS-zc4sk Ah cool. I don't have two shits to rub together so I wouldn't know about anything like that.
@@DrMcMoistit means they’re full of sh!t and want people on TH-cam to believe they have the scratch to drive a Ferrari for a while almost daily.
I honestly LOVE the FF, but I love wagons so this is right up my alley
x2, are my favorite vcar of ferrari in those times
$80-90k is a bargain for these. Considering it's not much more than a used GTR with similar mileage and these are basically discount F12's. The main cause for the low entry cost seems to be the PTU (the front power transfer unit). There are now repair kits for under $10k, but going through the dealer for a PTU repair would cost ~$40k. However, some folks at the Ferrari Chat forums mentioned a shop that does a RWD conversion and deleting the PTU altogether, which is what I'd do if I have one of these.
We are working on a solution in Colorado
RWD conversion was exactly my thought. Bargain F12 with bonus extra storage/kid carrying capacity.
The 4x4 feature is the only reason I'd want one of these.
@@espinosayoung who are you?
The car is wrecked with a salvage title
Personally have always loved the FF and the GT4 Lusso. Love the shooting brake style.
Like a modern Z3 Coupe, but from Ferrari and double the motor. So Id say they are fcking awesome
If I'd be able to afford one of these I would buy it instantly, I feel people are sleeping on this odd ball Ferrari and will be a really sought after model in the future. It's sort of the best of both worlds.
I LOVE the hatchback
No one cares. Go write some more video scripts
nobody fucking cares 😱😱😱
@@Anewevisualyou cared enough to comment
I can't stop thinking about it. I love hatchbacks!!! It looks perfect.
That smile on Nolan's face driving through the canyons let's you know it's a Ferrari
I love this, no yelling just genuine personalities! Love all the vids but this is prob my fav, keep it up!!!
About that, what's with many youtubers just yelling and being hyper at all times 😂
@@meemdoggoriginallongdrinkShort attention spans.
Hugely underrated, and Chris Harris loves his - it may have hatchback though but it's a shooting brake! There's no equivalent EV either so I think this will hold its value well and even maybe go back up.
There is a car called Zeeker 001 in China, a hatchback EV, quite interesting automobile.
Honestly the only thing holding it back is those 2 transmissions been know for just going out. Then taking an arm and a leg to repair. It's deprecated so much probably because people would drive them till something give out then get another car. It's just not worth fixing if it cost almost half the current price of the car.
@@aaronburkeen6409 , there's a company in the US that specializes in rebuilding all the seals and items that go bad from factory in the front drive unit. The problem is the work is around $13.5k (if I'm remembering from the last video I saw about FF/GTC4 reliability).
@@joeyZ.Who cares it's China
No EV equivalent?.. I think the Taycan crossturismo wants a talk with you…
I love these. Saw one last night actually. The back gives me the early 2000s Mcoupe vibe. I love that car too.
Man this car looks the bomb. It aged well and that v12 sounds amazing
I remember when these came out, as a Ferrari purist I HATED it. But when I saw one in person, that Ferrari magic was still there, and I thought it looked pretty nice!
what color is your ferrari?
@@dhruvakhera5011Mine is whatever color I happen to be thinking about.
@@dhruvakhera5011 I’m pretty sure that’s a lambo, dude!
In person looks better than photos 👌
The FF and GTC4 Lusso are my favorite ones. All about that hatch/wagon practicality with speed.
This car has actually appreciated since Covid. They're also realistically not as cheap as the one in this video. If you want a well cared for example with less than say 15k miles, you're looking at more around $150,000. If you're buying one of these for less than $100,000 then it either has a bunch of miles or there's an issue. Repair work and parts are also quite expensive.
Even with 100k miles will be worth a lot more
In Europe the FF’s are all over 100 some go up to £150,000 and you’ve got to remember that’s in pound
Love it! As a swede, it kind of reminds me of the Volvo P1800ES (one of the most beautiful cars ever made).
I love the FF. The wagon body is so underrated.
I am a certified zoomer and I LOVED the FF when it came out (and still do). Always been a fan of shooting brakes. Kinda sad I don't see many out on the road.
I'm with you on that, they're so different from the normal ferraris and it's not as bad as people say it is.
I love shooting brakes.
Loved the FF when it came out and still do.
Still wanting a few in different colors, red, silver, white, black, yellow....
there's 7 days in a week.
Love the FF
Us old farts remember the BMW Z3 Coupe. Pretty universally hated, but I absolutely love it! Same goes for this one. I could see myself owning an FF over most other Ferraris, no matter if they were as affordable as this one.
@@Psykel The Z3 Coupe was disliked by half of the world the other half lied it.
It's still a beauty. Lots of character.
As an FF owner, this car is too much fun to drive to not drive it every day. Mine is still under warranty so maintenance has had no real cost. The common fear of a $30,000 fix for the transmission is overblown. Maybe 10% have had that problem, and now there are $10,000 solutions. I’ve always loved the unique look of shooting brakes. Sure a Panamera is less expensive, but are quite common. I don’t see any other FF’s. I’d guess that here are only 400 of these in the USA, and most of those are in Florida and California. Usually owners have other Ferraris.
The going rate in the USA on BAT has been $130,000. For a late model, low mileage FF from a Ferrari dealer with a two year extension on the warranty runs more like $170,000. Every extra 1,000 miles costs $1,000 on resale. Since FF’s are often high mileage, that can subtract a lot.
I have been in a Purosangue and the advantage is four doors. I’m 6’4” and the back seat space fine but is the same as the FF. But they are sold out until 2025. This review was good and enjoyable. The title works as clickbait.
Finally someone who actually knows what they are talking about. All the comments about the FF being a moneypit are from people who have never owned a car like this, probably never will and are jealous and want to talk shit to make themselves feel better about it. There are companies who can carry out an £8,000 fix on the transmission to stop it from ever going in the first place, and the car is otherwise very reliable.
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Congrats, it is an absolute masterpiece in my opinion. The title is on point though. It has depreciated a lot. GTC 4 Lusso holds better.
for a 330k car that issue should not exist, it's like buying a mansion with mold everywhere and crumbling walls
Find me any 330k without notable pricey issues. Expensive complicated things break and cost a lot to fix. A friend's dad had to replace the hybrid battery on a P1. It cost c. £100k
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I love hatchbacks a LOT. They're so practical for their size. I can carry all of my belongings from one side of the country to another. The FF is absolutely one of my dream cars. Beautiful car and so awesome that the price has come fown to where i still cant afford it😂
I always found it funny that «hatchback» seems to be such a four letter word in the US! To the point that the Jetta used to be one of the most popular models there because people absolutely had to have a trunk on their Golf 😅
I got to sit in one of these not too long ago. I'm guessing it's this exact car as most of this video was filmed in my neighborhood! The owner was nice enough to let me hop in after I told him it was my dream car. Such a sweet ride.
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2:15. "A Ferrari that could be your only car!" James, you're a great guy but PLEASE stay off the drugs!😂
"That makes me feel poor... 🤢"
Love the FF, and the BMW Clown Shoe. Shooting brake layout are always cool to me
I still wanna see a moneypit episode on Zach’s Silvia
I love the look! It's like a cross between a Supercar and a Hatchback; basically my dream car.
The only real issue is gonna be that engine, and the two gearbox awd system. Everything will be very expensive and impractical to fix but doable.
I LOVE the shape of the FF. I still will never be able to afford one but I love that crazy shooting brake.
Personally, I love the look of the FF, looks a lot like the Aston Martin zagato shooting brake, surprised these depreciated as much as they did, especially with that Ferrari V12
I’m not complaining but I do miss the days of up to speed it was just so good, so funny and James and that show were just such a good fit
One of my favourite Ferrari's. I also love the Z3 Coupe so I have a thing for weird hatchbackish cars
That's crazy because I love the way it looks!!! It looks a beefed up BMW M Coupe from the late 90s
I imagine the FF going the same way as the Dino, people shat all over them, I remember 10-15 years ago you could buy a Dino for 30k, nowadays they’re 500k. The same I think will happen to the FF considering its styling is very polarizing but it grows on you after awhile much like the Dino
And it's the last 4-seater by Pininfarina. The successor GTC4Lusso was done by the in-house team.
Excellent point!
Also they sold very poorly so they are going to be ultra rare.
Could be but I think the issue is it is just a 4 seater with front engine. For example Ferrari 400i is also a rare 4 seater btw during its years one of the most expensive one and its as rare as many other sometimes more than 10 times more valuable Ferraris from the same age but its still one of the cheapest Ferraris for sale.
I've always loved the FF. I had no idea it's gone down in price that much!
Huh, I had no idea these are cheap compared to other Ferraris, I thought they looked sick!
The only Ferrari that i will ever wanna daily drive is a F355 Berlinetta, with a gated 6-speed manual, leather saloon and an AC. That's it. I don't need fancy stereo, i don't need radar guided or actually any kind of cruise control. Just give me that glorious V8 mated to a manual gearbox and a timeless Italian style and i have it all.
8:12 It's fast as FF!!
I believe the Ferrari California depreciated even more
Totally agree with this, I always loved that this car had the hatchback. I just wonder if theres an affordable long-term solution for that faulty front transmission. Maybe bypass it entirely and just make it RWD lmao
There is, it's the GTC4 Lusso.. the Lusso looks even better imo.. You can get it in the AWD N/A V12, but they also make a RWD twin turbo V8.. one would hope the front trans in the v12 Lusso would be better than the FF, but considering they made the RWD w/ a diff motor to distract you, I doubt it.
Wrong!!! 🛑 Ferrari built FF to compete with Porsche Panamera not with Cayenne
This is genuinely my favorite Ferrari. It's so beautiful. 😮😮😮
James, the E30 might look small. But that trunk is BIGGG. of you cant fold back the seats. But the amount of stuff ive hauled in my e30 coupe is insane.
Pumphrey retching because the exposed lock made him feel poor had me rolling.
Still love the styling of the FF
16:06 “Is it affordable? Yeainda?”
Onestly i think the FF wasnt a hatchback but more like a 2 door station wagon like vw did in the begining of the 90s with the Corrado
anyway the FF is really cool for what is was
I remember seeing the FF in person for the first time in Neiman Marcus, the year they released their Neiman Edition FF. I thought it was stunning then, and still think it’s still stunning now.
Day 404 of asking James to do and Up to Speed on his Dad
An up to speed to anything would be great
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@jamesvanderbiltpumphrey I volunteer again to be your dad at your wedding. I'll walk you down the isle and tell ya I'm proud of you
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Bro QUIT IT
That's a shooting break, not ferraris' answer to the cayenne 😂
A shooting brake _was_ Ferrari's answer to a Lambo SUV.
Ferrari: "We'll never make an SUV!"
Drunken Millionaire: "Well, how about a two-door station wagon?"
Ferrari: "Oh, we can do that. No problem!"
@BogeyTheBear you got it, that's exactly what a shooting break was. A zagato bodied or custom station wagon to use at your country home. Aston martin shooting break, Rolls-Royce shooting break. They all kind of lost their purpose for hunting parties as the range rover did a better job. The FF has depreciated so much because people don't understand its purpose or design. So it just looks weird to most.
This Ferrari has always been one of my top 5 favorites they ever made. I loved the sleek look of the car and the fact that it retained the legendary Ferrari V12. It was the best of both worlds. You could rip around on a twisty road, but then go pick up the kiddos when you're done and take them to soccer practice. I mean, I guess I get why it depreciated so much in the eyes of the "purists", but I'd buy one today if I could find one for the price advertised here.
I love it being a shooting brake. Idg what's not to like. One of my all-time favorite Raris along with the base F12 and California
V12 makes it a true Ferrari and it will become a collection item as new supercars will be powered by a maximum V8.
I think it looks great. I’d definitely drive it.
You guys forgot Brunei made custom Ferrari wagons back in the 90’s. I always think that’s where they got the idea from.
$80k ="wrecked and rebuildable."
My Panamera is super functional. I literally can put 8’ sticks of trim in it inside from Home Depot and the hatchback you can load up on a Costco run. I would go that route..
for me its the best ferrari ever. you can literally make it a family daily car with a v12 realy fast engine definetley one of my dream cars
What a beautiful journey by the donut family
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Question is, can it go more than a 1000 miles without breaking down?
did you not see the ferrari badge on the front?
Why wouldn't it? I say this as someone who daily drove a much older Ferrari for years.
😂 or burning down
@dcarbs2979 well, it has depreciated quite a lot since it was new. Maybe there a some reliability problem to blame regarding this particular model.
As long as you have a baby sitter to keep doing full restores after every day of use
Ah Ferrari options. They're not really options, your car isn't drivable without it.
idk why but me personally really like this car, it's just different and i like it
I love this car, looks great to me!
I'm glad this exists, so you can tell apart people with class AND practicality - they drive a Quattroporte.
Since when is an overpriced, underperforming masserati practical? A masserati is for someone who want to look flashy and doesn't care about getting a good value.
The QP is one of the most tastelessly ostentatious cars. It's the Nissan Altima of luxury.
i see em all the time with yellow, fogged out headlights, like clean the car up for Christ sake!@@RatBürgerSk8
Showing some appreciation for depreciation!
Forgetting about the classic ones, the FF is my favorite Ferrari, love it since it came out
0:00 Good Morning Sir, yesterday i started to study, im super ready lets go!
You guys have the best car program ever made! Sure Top-Gear had some more "fantastic" stuff they did, but when it comes down to just cars, nobody has ever done it better than you! Funny, informative and delivered by true car lovers that don't hunger for fame. You just come across as super fucking nice and funny guys, and I kinda wish I could be a part of your team! :)
The FF wasn't appreciated enough because of it's shooting brake design and because of that it's become the bargain Ferrari
your motor prestige playlist is awesome :D
Cool review!. We have a Ferrari club at my work come in at least once per year along with numerous other car clubs so I've seen these numerous times. At first I wasn't very fond of them but they sure have grown on me and I Really like them now!.
Donut crew should do a road trip with depreciated cars, that would be awesome
My man James looking f*ing great! Keep it up my man!
7:33 Walmart Leclerc hahaha!
So I just did a little check, me and a mate went to ELMS at Spa-Francorchamps recently, and we took a 2008 BMW 318i Touring, i just compared our baggage with the liter capacity of the FF, it would have fit, easily. I understand that liter capacity isn't always used to its full potential, but it worked, with margin for error accounted for.
A Ferrari FF is just as practical as a BMW 318i Touring, wadda ya know...
Also I love the hatchback (shooting break?) style of the GT5CLusso and the FF, they are just so not-Ferrari that I love them!
The final screen typo for the channel ... so forgivable because of the quality content❤
The hatchback was reminiscent of the Ferrari 250 GT SWB "Breadvan". That was also the inspiration of the BMW Z3 coupé, which was a side project of the BMW engineers in that time. They did this in their free time.
Technically the "Breadvan" wasnt a hatchback. It was a race car, and the form was made to be aerodynamicly stable for the 24h of Le Mans. It was a customer race car, based on the 250 GT with the short wheelbase. And the owner wanted to compete against the new 250 GTO - which Enzo refused to sell to him.
I LOVE that shooting brake/hatchback design
Donut is truly missing out on not having James. I still love donut. I wish they could’ve worked things out. I just love what James brings to the whole thing.
I love how at 14:22 they floor it and just start laughing
I have always loved these, I think they're super unique!
A race car you can go grocery shopping in sounds great