"Fool For Love" (5x7) | *Buffy the Vampire Slayer* Reaction
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Spike makes an excellent point when he points out that what makes Buffy different from other Slayers is the connections in her life: her mother, sister, and friends.
And I think the show made an excellent job at showing it all the show, that's why season 5 is so important
He also mentioned it in his first episode back in Season 2.
Which he noted even on his first appearance. It's always what has made her different, and why she's even survived this long, since Xander is the reason she was resuscitated in 1x12.
@@eeejjj6378 and reiterated by Adam in S4, hence Yoko Factor.
@@JhadeSagravIt's just too bad that episode perpetuated the myth that Yoko was the reason the Beatles broke up. That's not what happened.
The little pat on the shoulder to the synchronized sigh at the very end gets me every time
Yep, Spike told Joyce "she left me for a Chaos demon... they're all slime and antlers!"
We know that Joyce’s illness isn’t Dawn related because Buffy did that spell to see things that were mystically influenced and Joyce’s head wasn’t one of them.
and yet, a lifetime of memories with dawn were implanted in her. I have always seen that connection.
@@Luan-vu9br We create false memories all the time. Maybe the mystical forces behind creating memories for Dawn are so benign that they leave no noticeable magic residue?
Eh… I think it’s iffy.
@@jeanetteking434 everyone in the world has had their memories changed. They don’t all develop an illness. And the show specifically goes out of the way to have the main character investigate any supernatural cause for to show that there is not one.
Spike is so good at reading people *because* he can empathize with people - what he can’t do is feel any sense of wrong or right. Understanding people just makes him a better hunter. But he can’t kill Buffy, so his empathy is given room to do something…else. Maybe just some dim memory of what it means to hunt for love rather than blood.
As to his death wish theory - he might be right about the slayers, but I think he is also very much talking about himself. He’s been dancing with death since he became a vampire.
I disagree. Vampires can tell right from wrong, they just aren't able to care and are compelled to do wrong.
He can't hurt Buffy so instead he tries to seduce.. or take.. her. It's entirely about having power over the object of his obsession.
@@troikas3353 exactly this.
he can tell, he just can't *feel* it in his bones; he cannot give a damn basically. OP is right@@howdareyou259
@@howdareyou259 That’s basically what I meant - they understand these things exist. But they can’t feel it. Nothing feels wrong or bad, even if they know intellectually society frowns on killing people for food.
It always amazes me that no one recognizes Angelus from behind when William first bumps into him. I mean, those shoulders are unmistakable. 😂 They’re like 3 feet wide!
Did you notice that this is the episode where you see where Spike gets his leather coat?
And his scar
Its literally his trophy.
One of my absolute favorite episodes in the whole Buffyverse! The editing alone is amazing, and then add on top of that the amazing storyline and Spuffy content, lol. I think its important to remember that vampires *can* feel emotions. It has never been stated otherwise. Angelus was often angry, disgusted by love, excited by causing pain. Drusilla was often hurt when Spike would yell at her, or happily dancing around. They feel, but usually it's quite sadistic and selfish. I personally think the big factors for Spike's feelings towards Buffy are two things you pointed out: the challenge of a woman who doesn't like him, and his general obsession with slayers. I think the reason this doesn't become a violent, bloody mess is because he's leashed by the chip. So, his typical slayer obsession becomes romantic, the main other emotion he feels towards women who treat him badly. I think that's why we see the 180 at the end. He knows he won't actually be able to hurt her, and he feels obsessive "love" towards her, so he expresses that by comforting her. I feel its important to remember that the end result is still the selfish satisfaction that *he* is the one there for her, that he's able to comfort her when nobody else can. It lacks the typical vampire sadism because the chip prohibits that.
The worst she can say is no.
The girl: You are beneath me!
😅
A couple of things you may have missed:
1) Prior to being William being sired, one of the people at the party stated that he'd rather have a railroad Spike driven through his head instead of listening to William's poetry. Hence the inspiration for his vampire personality.
2) Upon leaving the house to go pout or whatever, Willam bumps into someone before saying "Watch where you're going." Well, guess who he bumped into.
I always assumed that the origin of "Spike" was just the poetry bit, and he'd managed to massage it through the years into becoming the one that Giles quoted. Not through actual actions, mind you, just reputation shifts.
@@grife3000 it's obvious. In season two he is called spike because he tortured his victims with rail road spikes. Which is why season 5 is a call back to that with the party guy. We the audience knows that guy is dead as soon as William is turned
are you saying he bumped into angel?
@@Ndjdj-xr9dxat 6:33 hehe, that trio remind you of anyone? ;)
My favorite part is at the end; From Buffy's face, you can see that she very consciously allowed him to pat her back to give her comfort, and to accept it.
The ACTING!!!! My goodness!! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Regarding the term of endearment "pet", which Spike uses for Drusilla, while it may sound strange or vaguely creepy to a North American audience, this is actually very common in the UK and Ireland. It's particularly used for children, but also for other loved ones, much like "sweetheart" or something similar.
Especially in the north
@@Greencava11 Ah, you've taught me something new! So, it's more used in the North of England? Like Newcastle and such? I wonder, does it carry through to Scotland? - I'm from Ireland myself, and I'm pretty sure it's used all over here, but I'm not 100% sure.
Pet is only “creepy” to North Americans because modern feminism says it should be taken as the creepiest way possible to interpret it.
Its well understood here in Canada. Its just Americans who get confused
@@emanymton713 they sure live rent free in your mind don't they?
This ep is pure gold! The way they filmed the fight in the tube is amazing, with parallels between 1977 and present time. And that final scene when he tries to comfort Buffy: 'Is there anything I can do?' Spike's expression turning from rage to empathy, you can feel what he feels. For the first time we can feel a real emotional bond between them, also undelined by the fact that they're dressed alike (those little huge details in BTVS)
gosh i can rewatch that final scene a billion billion times i love it so much.
How Spike is able to show empathy it is because vampires in the series can feel all the range of emotions that humans can, despite what they say, in the show or what you’ve heard, the only difference is without a soul. Their emotions can be twisted and dark. And losing their soul makes their emotional growth stunted at the time of when they turned
This is one of the best BTVS episodes, and one of my personal favorites. Love getting Spike’s backstory, the cinematography was superb. And it was fun seeing little pieces of the stories of past Slayers.
Spike and Angel kind of make me think becoming a vampire (in this universe) is an amplification of the impulses and “shadow” of who they were before they died. Angelus becomes even worse than his father imagines he is. When Spike dies, his desire to impress “the lady” takes over. He becomes a fool with his words for the object of his desire. He feels rectified for his young William says when he is able to be with “the lady” after proving his worth from killing a slayer etc. But Buffy… exemplified with the “you’re beneath me”. That crusheddd him. But when he sees her vulnerability, he can’t resist comforting her.
He ate entire families.
@@tananario23 what a righteous lust that must have been for him, having felt disgusting to his own.
Yeah, we see it with Vampire Willow and Xander also
I love stories that show different periods in a person's life. Telling that kind of story with someone who's lived centuries makes it all the better.
Weaving Buffy's moment of clarity in with Spike's backstory and the portrayal of both Slayer murders was brilliant story telling.
The Chinese Slayer had defeated Spike and was staking him when the explosion outside momentarily stunned her.
Pure chance.
The New York Slayer's loss is more ambiguous. But again, she was in the dominant mounted position when suddenly it was reversed.
Remember the Buffy of "The Wish". Alone, reckless, cold and purely focused on killing...and defeated by the Master in a single exchange of blows...and dies with a look of peace on her face.
She doesn't have to do this anymore.
Dang... Great analysis!
top 10 episode imo
ps: shout out to the transition to the fight with the new york slayer
This episode is pure greatness!
I love Spike's backstory so much. His great love rejected him cruelly, and all his life he's been bullied and misunderstood for his gentle personality. No wonder he became such a vicious vampire who shows no mercy for humans. And yet, the poet in him never died.
We know that Spike is capable of many emotions that typical vampires don't seem to be (other than Drusilla). So when Buffy said "You're beneath me," she was triggering him (intentionally, by the way, since she had just heard his story). That's why he was crying.
I don't think that what we see is what he told her. Like when he said "I gettin myself a gang" like he gathered them together but in reality was just integrated in the group that existed already. So it triggered him, cause two women, a centuriy apart from each other saying the same thing to him. Since Ceciles words leads him to be turned into a vampire, hearing Buffy saying it independently and without knowing it was spoken sounds to him like women didn't notice that he improoved through the transition and the hundered years at all. That is why he's so frustrated, sad and angry.
For as observant as Spike is, he’s still a demon. What he sees as every slayer having a death wish, they could see as dying for something other than themselves.
I think he’s right tho. With the exception of Buffy, Most slayers don’t have ties to the world beyond their calling. Their sole companion is usually their watcher who is encouraged to not grow attached by the council. They have a dangerous thankless job where they come face to face with evil every night. It seems like sad lonely existence. Every slayer knows her calling will be passed on to another, so there’s not much keeping them tethered to their lives, not much to live for.
@@becaitI agree. Being the sole person responsible for saving the world, over and over, thanklessly... it eventually takes its toll. It's not impossible to think that he may have noticed slayers eventually *give up*.
Actually sometimes The Slayer and Watcher can grow close like Nicky Wood with her Watcher knowing what we know later on in the show.
@@becaitIt makes sense, but then again the slayers he killed had close family that they likely wanted to live for…especially the 70s slayer. Maybe he caught them at a time where they were exhausted and death seemed like a release from the responsibility of taking care of their families
@nappyboi312 And actually, if the explosion hadn't come thru the window and knocked them off balance, the Chinese slayer was probably about to win their fight. Spike really caught a break with that moment, and neither of them could have seen it coming. And she seemed to have family too, at least a mother she was close to.
Such a great episode!
It was never intended for Spike to be in the show this long, and it certainly wasn't written from the start that he'd be in love with Buffy. But I think this episode and flashbacks are such a great bridge and help explain certain things- how he's previously killed two slayers but never got anywhere close to killing Buffy, his helping Buffy fight Angel in season 2, why Dru actually left him after she could see where his true intentions actually lie, etc. Such great writing to fill in the gaps.
James stated that he was playing it as a physical attraction to buffy from his first episode onwards, there are also hints that Sarah was playing it that way towards him in season 2 as well. Spike called her cutie, gorgeous, a dish etc well before the dream he had. One of the writers in S4 also had a note that "Buffy has sex dreams about Spike". Which means the idea was at least there since S4
Yes this episode is a turning point , not just for Spike but fist the entire season and show. He is named Spike because the party goers (snobs) would rather have spike driven through them than listen to that “bloody awful poetry”
*but for the season and show
When Spike saw Buffy in pain on the steps...he couldn't just shoot her, even if the pain didn't stop him. There would be no challenge, no glory, no worthy victory there, it wouldn't prove anything if she couldn't put up a fight. And yeah, he is obsessed, but also conflicted about that obsession. The "you're beneath me" comment hurt him, made him angry...but that anger drained away immediately when he saw her hurting.
Spike is definitely an enigma. He can empathize with people, that's why he's good at reading them.
About the death wish - he may not be wrong, but he also pointed out that a Slayer always has to reach for her weapons (in terms of things that can kill a vampire, not just bash them around) while the vampire already has their fangs available. So a vampire can get lucky sometimes, or a Slayer can lose the will to fight on, either works.
Back in “School Hard” Spike says to Angel “You were my sire, my Yoda”. At the time, the writers thought it was Angel who sired Spike. Later they decided he was being metaphoric there.
They should have dubbed it "grandsire".
Presumably Angel did take on many of the roles and responsibilities of sire that Dru was unable to perform due to her insanity.
@@colej.banning2419 Yeah, and he wasn't an animatronic green goblin. Most likely.
One of the retcons that saddens me the most. It would have been so much more interesting if they'd followed through on that.
Joss clarified that "sire" refers to the line. So "sire" could be used to refer to any vampire in the same line who is older than you. Dru is Spike's direct sire. But Angel, Darla and The Master are their grand-sires so to speak.
"Kink for glory" would make a great album title.🕶🚬
This is my favorite episode of the series.
You have good taste (cause same lol).
You identifying the pattern of Spike’s obsession with the women in his life was something that took me 6 watches for some reason. (Granted I started young). But it puts into perspective the obsessions that lead into the demonic versions of our fav vampire characters before the trauma of being turned.
8:24 --7 5:47 ''they call him william the bloody because...'' and ''i would rather have a SPIKE through my head...'' , 15:39 when buffy did the spell to see spells none was on joyce. 15:07 obseesion to kill her --7 obsession for her --7 ''love'' '' ''
I love that we see the physical evolution of Spike too. He is turned by Dru but it still a bit posh. Angel brings out the rougher, competitive side. The Chinese slayer gives him the scar above his eye. By the time he fights the New York slayer, he has his bleached hair and then takes her leather coat.
One of the series more low-key great episodes! It's always fun to watch the reactions to it.
Fool For Love is a fun episode. Glad you liked it
She didn't just bring up some dramatic memories she humiliated him to the core of his character. But when he saw her crying he forgot about it. And wanted to take care of her DESPITE being a vampire.
But sometimes people have 5 minutes memory so they easily forget about it when they watch further.
Yeah, i've seen a LOT of commentary on that, but it usually ends with "it's a selfish concern."
Man, whatever.
Look at his face. He is ready to murder the woman. Just strolling in with a rifle. Then he sees her eyes.
Total transformation. Every little tiny scrap of William fought to the surface there. No pitiful vampire demon could stand in the way when that man saw this woman ... CRYING. I think that's the exact moment his obsession/infatuation/addiction became love. Cuss all the naysayers. 😂
"What's wrong?"
BRUH!!!!
@@JhadeSagrav I want to ask such people what should be selfish about this here? A sudden desire to take care of someone? Then when a person wants to take care of you this way you suddenly think that he is selfish? Then every caring action will be selfish. Because you can say that they are doing it for themselves. He was absolutely pissed off because she humiliated him so deeply. And since he's a vampire he wanted to deal with it in his own way. But when he sees her like this his anger goes away. And he forgets about himself and his hurted ego and what she said. And shows empathy. That's the oppiosite of selfishness.
I can tell you how it works for some people. At first they actually forget such things. They just easily follow whatever the plot delivers to them, if one episode the story shows him caring they take it, the following eps they will try to compromise him because they didn't really like them as a couple at that point and people will take it too. But when you point it out to them they start coming up with some reasons that they hadn't even thought about before.
This episode is in my top 3.
This is actually a 2-part episode crossover event with the episode Darla on Angel (you probably know that at this point though). They aired back to back originally and if you watch them that way they fit together like a movie length episode exploring both Spike and Darla’s backstories.
In season 2 of Buffy in Spikes first episode School Hard, Spike does say that Angel was his sire. So the show is kind of inconsistent there. But canonically, this is Spikes backstory and Dru was his sire.
I guess he could be like a grand sire since angel turned Dru lol.
@@nappyboi312 That is eventually what Whedon said. But its definitely a retcon explanation.
This is one of my most favourite Buffy episodes!
hell yeah, godly episode
So many good episode this season!
When this episode first aired, I felt vindicated in my theory about William being an Empath, and that is what Dru picked up on the night he bumped into them.
Like Dru, he is a supernatural anomaly.
This is why he has excellent and precise intuition, can read people like an open book and emotionally feels so intensely.
Dru was made mad by Angelus and Darla.
Since Angelus was such a deviant (his personality trait showing through to his demon), he showed Dru deviant toxic behavior, and she taught that to Spike.
His demon twisted those deep emotions for obsessio. It was like foreplay before the physical torturous foreplay.
With him being in tune to Dru with his empath abilities and Dru being a clairvoyant (hypnotist too) that it made sense about their connection.
Btw, you didn't miss the knowledge of Dru turning him, because it was revealed in this episode.
I think the chip muzzled his demon, which allows the echoes of who he was ( which is seeped into his brain like engrained DNA) to shine through.
Well, in Darla episode of Angel, Dru kinda explained why she chosen William. She said that she will find the best "knight" in all the labds abd she did. Spike was her white knight fir century, at least. Moreover, Dru had to find someone capable to retain some empathy during the transition into the vampire, even if it's not supernatural empathy, because it's difficult to be attached to a crazy person if you have no feelings. And Dru could predict that with her superpowers. Another person would just dumped Dru the moment she turned him.
I wonder why dalton the vampire still wore glasses in season 2 but spike doesnt need the glasses he wore as a human.
Lasik?
lol my headcanon is that he does need them but doesn't want to wear them (there are two scenes I can think of where he definitely seems to be farsighted)
@@buffsummersthat’s what I think too . He reads his book far away from his face . He just doesn’t want to ruin his cool factor.
This is the episode where we find out who really sired William/Spike. I'm not sure if it was ever explained why he called Angel his sire in season two, in the episode School Hard.
Well, Spike turned Drusilla, so technically he is Spike’s sire. Grandsire, that is.
Well, the real reason is obviously that the original plan was that Angelus was his sire, but after Spike's character went in a totally unexpected direction, it ended up being more interesting for Drusilla to have sired him.
I know it's a retcon, but I think it still makes sense within their relationship that Spike would call Angel his sire. Plus, technically, Angel is his grandsire so it's fine.
@@goldenageofdinosaurs7192 you mean ANGEL turned Drusilla.
@@buffsummers Another popular fan canon is that he called Angel/Angelus his Sire because Drusilla had been driven mad thus was never a true mentor to him and Angelus had to do it. So technically she's his sire but she was never superior to him and in fact he probably took care of her a lot more than the other way around.
My son and I watched this, first run. It's one of our favorites. (Backstory, seeing how William had some character traits that inform the characterr of Spike...)
But I remember remarking to my son as we came to the last scene that the two of them were dressed alike.
They sat 'parallel' to each other, breathed together. (The English "to breathe together" is related to the Latinate "to conspire")
Spike has come to identify with Buffy. They are fighters who have formed a connection.
They have already collaborated once or twice in a fight against evil, or to save the world. (See Season 2's "Becoming")
And as time goes on, the two of them eventually (increasingly ) work as partners (Siblings in Arms) at times.
[I won't elaborate on this any more for fear of leaking spoilers]
One of the best episodes in the show IMO!!
Just before one of the guys mocking William said “I'd rather drive a railroad spike through my head than listen to his poetry”, and you wonder where “Spike” comes from?
Sometimes people have this thing where they might miss something. 😁 That is okay! I'm glad you're pointing out to her the detail she missed.
One of my absolute favorite episodes.
So many details into Spike's past. BUT...that ending scene. Spike knows that there are only 3 things that can put that look into Buffy's eyes. Family, Friends, or Angel. And, ever since he had the chip put in he has been the epitome of, "Me thinks he doth protest too much" regarding all of them (Except Angel). Even before that though, he poured his heart out to Joyce. He poured his heart out to Willow. He asked Buffy to help take down Angel so that he could get Dru back. After the chip he's spent a huge amount of time with all of them. He even occasionally admits to liking some of them from time to time.
So, when he sees that look in her eyes, he knows that something has either happened to the family (Joyce and Dawn) or something has happened to the friends (Scoobies and Giles). The obsession helps to fuel his empathy to be sure. BUT, I truly believe that if someone yanked out his chip right now in the series he'd never kill any of them. He might hurt or maim a few but nothing irreparable.
ahh one of my favorite eps, i love it so much!! spuffy porch scene you will always be famous
Sometimes there are episodes with stories just for 1 ep. And sometimes there are small movies that fit into one episode. This one is such. Beauty can be found in unusual places. This episode was like a blooming of a flower. Of a rose that can prick your finger if you treat it badly but will bloom if you let it do so.
wondering why spike loves buffy when she is one of the most genuinely good hearted people in the world is kinda crazy lol I think anyone who isn’t in love with her is insane. it’s not surprising that a vampire without a soul can see that she is special even if he doesn’t fully understand his feelings yet and that’s even more amplified by the fact that spike is clearly a lot more in touch with his feelings (particularly empathy) than most other vampires.
You can have Buffy. She is a pretty shallow character to me.
I don't think it's a total 180 - because he essentially has been trying to be callous and failing for a while. We saw it in Family where he was like "Oh great, I can watch these demons kill her for me" and then 30 seconds later he's saving her, tragically invisible so she isn't aware, but then interjects himself into solving the Tara issue too. Thing is, if he really wanted to kill her, he could have come up with a way. He could have made her life miserable, in other ways. But he doesn't even try. He fights with her, excusing it as "Oh I just want in on the action". Haha, and now we know where his name really came from 😂 That guy who said he'd rather get a railroad Spike driven through his head than listen to his poetry probably got his wish.
19:45 He still disregards the scoobies because they don't do things his way. But the scoobies know their stuff.
This is a pretty perfect episode. They did such a good job of giving Spike a funny but deeply sad back story. I bet Spike could aim and try to pull the trigger, but the pain of the chip would probably make him pull his aim and shoot false.
It's a fine line between Love and Hate. Spike has always been passionate and romantic in nature, his love for Drucilla was real.
"Spike - where did that come from?" You might have missed it. That was a few minutes after a guy at the party said something like "I'd rather have a railroad spike driven through my head than listen to any more of that bloody awful poetry."
I wonder if he really used a railroad spike on them. Isn’t that something that Giles described as doing?
@@Patriciobuenisimo85 that was something he read in his Watcher books, yep! We don't know if it is true or not, but it certainly could be!
@@Patriciobuenisimo85 I'm sure he did, and that party guy's comment was what inspired him to do so.
@@cruelangel8689 yes I can see that
@@cruelangel8689 that party guy was probably the first one that got it 😅😅
This episode is the perfect dissection of Spike. While vampires can feel emotions, I feel like a little more of William's traits carried over to Spike when he changed. When he got the chip, it was like putting a leash on the demonic side and letting William show up a little bit. Example: When Spike cries while picking up the money. His default was actually to start crying, like William did when he was rejected as a human. But it's like strong emotions tend to turn evil because he's a demon. That change from crying to pissed off is amazing acting and also shows the two sides that Spike has.
Remember, that show excels at giving its viewers exactly what they want, in the worst way possible.
I must always point out that Spike was always lucked into killing a slayer, it wasn't necessarily skill by any means.
Your reaction when you realized it was a little spike backstory was priceless
The part in China was my favorite. Spike was scarred above his eye and it stayed. Also, Angel had just regained his soul and was not his usual mean guy.
Deffo one of the highlights of Season 5, this is such a good episode and I always love getting flashbacks of characters like Spike and learning more about them
Wait until you realize that the reason why Drusilla kept seeing the Slayer when she looked at Spike is because Dru could see the future (see this episode!) and knew that he was going to have feelings for Buffy one day!
How do you feel about the theory that Dru was a potential slayer and that is why she had prophetic visions?
@@nappyboi312 Dunno about RetroRobo, but i have fully accepted that head canon for my BuffyVerse.
Talking about vampires/human personalities one of my fav early examples is always when human willow says about vampire willow “I think I’m kinda gay!” A sign to all of us viewers that human traits can carry on over to the vampire :) ❤
the thing about vampires is that they still have all of their human emotions and feelings, but they have no soul, no sense of morality and that is why they are bad, but the thing with Spike is, although e has no soul, he is surrounded by people who always try to be good, so it's like the people around him are his substitute soul, keeping him on the right path (somewhat)
idk if you noticed but when spike left the party crying he bumped into Angel, Darla and Dru.
Dru is a psychic so if she had visions of him revealing that info then it would explain why she broke up with him permanently. She seems to want complete loyalty and servitude from him and she knows that's over.
Buffy could never kill an enemy who is incapacitated, even if she knows it's likely to come back and bite her. It's just not in her nature.
Spike shows up planning to kill Buffy but ends up trying to comfort her. One of the best episodes.
Excellent thoughts and comments about a sly episode that you will gain more on your rewatch and editing. Fool For Love does a classic bit of its misdirection storytelling. The background story for Spike is brilliant and deserves the attention it deserves. But, there are many other components that can be missed or overlooked. The power and allure of Buffy is displayed yet not directly spoken about. If something happens once it can be a fluke event.. Twice can be an odd coincidence. But when something unusual happens 3 times, it’s a pattern and has consequences. We have been introduced to 3 powerful and legendary vampires Angelius, Dracula, and William The Bloody. Renowned vampires that not only kill but each is considered dashing, handsome, and has been a symbol of destructive sex and sexual energy for over centuries. 3 very different types of iconic Vampires but with this episode we now know they all have one common trait…. All 3 are obsessed or have an obsession with Buffy Summers. It is not with a Slayer per se but it’s Buffy. Angel started his obsession before she became The Slayer and we have learned it’s not Slayer powers.( He was around Kendra and Faith and felt no romantic/ sexual connection). We saw and heard the legendary Dracula try his way to seduce and have Buffy as his partner and not subject. He wanted the famous Buffy Summers, not the Slayer. Now we understand Spike and his obsession for Buffy. Drusilla saw Spike was under the emotional control of Buffy 2 years and well before Spike. She can accurately see the future and she sees that Spike is covered by Buffy. Again, not the Slayer, he killed two already , but it’s Buffy. Dracula told Buffy that she has a dark energy and part of his desire for Buffy. By the end we can deduce that Buffy is different Buffy not only has connections to the world. but can attract and emotionally connect power,
So glad you made it here
One thing about the flash back to Dru...the show heavily implies that her and Angelus were sleeping together when Spike was in the wheelchair. Maybe he had feelings for her at the time, but her protests read a bit like a serial cheater who tries to blame their partner.
Darla turned Angel, Angel turned Dru, Dru turned Spike.
You have such good thoughts. I enjoyed this reaction and commentary.
Cass has finally warmed to team riley. Go team angel thought
Rember in the season three episode Lover's Walk, when Spike discribes chaos demons as being "all slime and antlers"? Well, now we get to see one.
Someone writes an amusing throw away line - and two years later some poor makeup artist has to make it real. :D
So what we know about the watcher's council is that they tend to isolate their slayers once they get chosen. (we see this with kendra) This is likely done to keep them focused on the mission.
However it is also likely that doing so is a double edge sword, sure they become better fighters (Buffy even kinda admits this to kendra) But they don't seem to last as long from Spike's statements.
With Spike and him loving people I'm still going to go with the theory that The Watchers council is actively lying to their people about Vampires. They state that when a person is turned the person dies and a demon posses their body. However this isn't backed by anything we see in the show. For instance we don't see Angel when he losses his soul get possesed by a new demon. In addition we see that when he gets his soul back that it is the same Angle. This theory states that the Watchers Council lies to its youngest members so that if in the heat of the moment one of them gets turned into a vampire they aren't hesitating to stake them.
So if that's true, what is the "soul"? I would guess that it is in fact just the Super ego that a vampire losses, letting the id and ego to run free.
I would guess then that those with only a barely developed super ego would act the most like their vampire selves, while those who have an over developed super ego will act the most monstrous. (aka vampire willow)
This would also make sense as to why Angel when turned into Angelus after being Angel for so long actually acts more evil than he ever really did when he originally was Angelus.
Always seemed to me they just treated the Slayers like an expendable, renewable resource... so they are not truly vested in 1) trying to maximize their longevity much less 2) support them in quality of life.
The guy at the party said he would rather have a railroad Spike driven through his head than listen to his bloody awful poetry.
Season two he is known as william the bloody goes by spike because he used to torture his voctims with railroad spikes.
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poor buffy, we all know joyces is her rock
It's episodes like this that really make me confused about how so many people hate Spike.
The slow motion scene in China was shot by Tim Minear, I believe in his first directjng job. The set is actually a fake Mexican village a ton of shows use out in Santa Clarita.
"He has a kink for glory." Um...
I hated the scene with Xander and Willow and the bag of chips. It's as if they were on their first hunt and not the 5th year hunting, including periods without Buffy around to lead. They know better. A joke isn't worth completely rewriting a character.
I was on the Buffyvset delivering a script to David and Julie. This guy starts talking to me. He mentions going to his show on Saturday. I suddenly realize it's James. James had a solo acoustic show. I am horrible at recognizing people with only slightly different hair. Not recognizing him on screen isn't as bad. LOL
The girl pre-Spike was in love with doesn't look at all like Buffy.
I see it as the opposite way, the Scoobies are so used to doing it that they don’t care about Riley’s ridiculous military stuff. They’ve patrolled cemeteries and killed vampires while walking casually and snacking.
@@moramorandobianchi7093 agree, I think while the scene is clearly exaggerated for laughs, the main point is to highlight that Riley stands apart and is not a member of the scooby gang, despite his strength and military experience. Xander and Willow have been doing this since high school!
@@moramorandobianchi7093 It's also having Xander now apparently completely forgetting his own "military training" from Halloween.
Since I hate Spike this fiercely I could never put this episode among my favorite,but I must admit it _is_ a *very* good episode.Spike's hypnotic when he"teaches".@.@
12:45 - 12:46 Yep.Very cool,I must admit.😎Again...just because I hate Spike doesn't mean I can't recognize when an episode is objectively *so damn good!*
01:45 - 01:57 Ooohhh,it's adorable that the moment Buffy fails in combat your 1st thought is:"She must be dreaming."🥺 02:48 - 02:51 🤷♂ (No,but,jokes aside,I had your same reaction...I _still_ can't believe she was defeated by _1_ regular vampire for no particular reason.😵)
05:09 - 05:23 Yeah,pretty much the reaction we _all_ had.😅😱 06:57 - 07:00 In S2 he called Angel(us) his Sire so _in theory_ it was him,but they retconned it.
08:19 - 08:21 , 23:49 *Angelus.X-[
13:56 - 14:11 Yyyeeeaaahhh...that hurts.😖😅 16:04 - 16:51 See?I don't hate this scene. I actually find it very sweet.Because I believe it's still in the realm of possibilities of what a souless sensitive vampire _can_ do without being inconsistent with him being souless. We _know_ not all souless vampires are sadistic monsters 24/7(I'm talking to *all of you* that keep reminding me that"NoT aLl VaMpIrEs r LiKe AnGeLuS!1!!" *I KNOW!!!>O
The last scene threw Buffy off too.
Fool For Love is an exceptional episode this why IMHO S5 is by far the best season. The flashbacks and transitions are superb we can see where William/Spike is the way he is. He has been treated appallingly by women through the ages Cecily/Drusilla/Buffy. He was a gentle person as a human as opposed to Liam/Angel was an awful human. The scene in The Boxer Rebellion where Drusilla, Darla, Angel and Spike are walking away from the fire and Spike jumps in the air is one of the most iconic ever. This scene is exactly replicated in Angel episode called 'Darla' S2 E7 for those watching the watchlist of both shows in order. The fight on the train too with Spike in 70s in NYC where he steals the slayer's coat was brilliant. Buffy cruelly repeats Cecily's words 'you're beneath me' there is just so much foreshadowing in this episode it's amazing. A truly brilliant episode in S5 without doubt the best season, Fool For Love is definitely in top 10 episodes of whole series. This is one of the best episodes of the series so far, but I think there are two more in this Season that even better than this! S5 blows all the others away. Incredible writing!
Masterpiece episode.
Your shocked expression at seeing human William was hilarious 🤣
Spike is indeed a soulless vampire but vampires vary in how much of their humanity they are able to retain. Angel, for example, retains none of his humanity as stated by the Judge in Season 2 I think. I think because William was such a poet and loved so deeply, Spike was able to hold onto so much of his old self.
True, The Judge did comment on Spike and Dru being somewhat human, or something to that effect vs Angelus.
Empathy is not the same as sympathy.
You can have a good idea how a person are feeling and still dislike them. Many sociopath have good empathy, therefore good at social manipulation, but they do not care of the persons that they manipulate.
Your right they are different but Actually empathy is a stronger sense of care and shared experience than sympathy. Sympathy is more of an intellectual understanding of what someone else is feeling. Sociopaths and psychopaths generally LACK empathy is my understanding
You know Cass loved and is captured by the episode when she stops trying to figure out what happens next :p.
William's siring is very important, as you said their characteristics carry on. Drusilla was out on the hunt that night, and she found someone who was heart broken, she grabs his groin as she moves in turning him on and then bites him which was painful. So Spike was born heartbroken, scared, turned on and in pain which explains a lot about what makes Spike different from other Vampires, as the Judge said "you two stink of humanity" :).
7:00 Previous to this episode it was said it was Angelus but their either retcons it or Vampires refer to a sire of a sire as sire too.
He chosen the name spike because he killed that guy at the party with one.
I think originally they said Angel sired Spike but for a better narrative they decided Drusilla did it.
Technically Angel sired Drusilla so without Angel Drusilla never sires Spike.
@@randycrawford1132 That's like saying your grandmother gave birth to you though, which probably isn't true.
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I think the confusion with Angel being Spikes sire based on what's said in season 2 depends on what you would consider to be a sire. Technically, angel is spikes sire indirectly because he created Druscilla. Same could be said about Darla then. Maybe being a sire technically means being a part of a line of vampires who came before you. Like a family relation perhaps?
Good memory, from episode 3x08 Lovers Walk:
SPIKE (talking to Willow): "I caught her on a park bench, making out with a chaos demon! Have you ever seen a chaos demon? They're all slime and antlers. They're disgusting."
Yes… glory.😊
Spike in Season 3, Episode 8 "Lovers Walk": "I caught her on a park bench making out with a Chaos Demon -- have you ever seen a Chaos Demon? They're all slime and antlers, they're disgusting..."
6:35 ...Have to admit it; the first time I watched this episode, I immediately recognized the guy's back of the head...(does that means that I'm kinda obsessed to these shows?)
No, when you have already seen flashbacks to that period, it is not hard to miss Angel with that haircut, then being flanked by Dru and Darla.
The Master made Darla, Darla made Angel. Angel made Drusilla, Drusilla made Spike.
So Angel is spikes granddad, Darla is Drusilla's Grandma and the Master is Angels granddad.
Spike didn't "get Drusilla." It was the other way around. Since she was his "sire," he couldn't make anything happen with her when she was "healthy."