Hey Moto, if you ever get the chance and the bike is available for you, could you please do a test drive and review of the Harley 883 SuperLow. Thank you if you do or don't cuz you're a great dude regardless.
as a relatively inexperienced rider (3 bikes, 20k miles mostly in UK) let me explain why I feel like I need to learn how to be comfortable leaning more on MY CURRENT BIKE. On my previous bike an 08 FZ6, sometimes I could compensate for my wrong corner entry speed by leaning more mid-turn or just take the corner more safely etc. On my Tracer 900 GT, I still don't have that confidence and to be honest I'm still a bit scared - I changed the rear suspension and the tyres and it definitely feels much better, but I'm not there yet. That's why I'm going to do a track day this summer, I want to be safer on this bike for me and for my pillion. Love the videos!
I do like your vids a lot but I don’t know if you need to say the same thing so many times I’m English and I think Americans do like to talk compared to us so perhaps it’s just a cultural thing a bit more succinct I think would be good no offence you know your stuff your a great rider and knowledgeable but some vids you could reduce by 50%👌
I just started riding and my fear is not in the leaning itself is in the bike sliding from under me because of debris or not trusting the tires sticking to that asphalt. It drives me crazy. Thank you for all your videos. They have been very helpful for me.
I’m so glad you’re addressing the lean angles lately, I get so tired of hearing young riders obsessing over it…they lack basic skills but are worried about “leaning” opposed to practicing slow ride maneuvering and the fundamentals. 👍🏻
Probably cos parking maneuvers and u-turns don't matter and don't apply over 50km/h. Leaning allows you to take turns without reducing speed as much. And he says such in his video.
I started riding a couple of years ago and I just started on the Harley I wanted. The MSF instructor and the first videos I found were by former motorcycle officers and they both put the idea in my head that I had to lean the bike as much as possible. I spent months doing almost nothing but practicing and leaning. Once I got a lot of practice under my belt I found that I almost never had to do low speed u turns or figure 8’s. I was proficient, but in normal riding it would not come up. So I left it behind and focused on practicing emergency stops, cornering properly, like you are talking about. I got a Tuono 660 also, and practiced the rest of the techniques instead of leaning including a huge focus on lane position, situational awareness and planning ahead, seeing what the cars were all about to do and my riding got a lot better as a result. It is fine to develop low speed turns and leaning the bike, but the other parts are more important in saving your life or going faster than the single minded focus on leaning as much as possible.
Sweet, I also got a Tuono 660 but dropped the slow speed cornering drills rather quickly as that bike would "stutter" too much at slow speeds just on the clutch, unlike the trainer bikes I rode. Not sure if it can be fine tuned at the garage. What's your experience?
@@michelb9847 As J3tzt bassman said & to quote another motorcycle trainer. Preload & keep it loaded. Most of us don't realize we tend to let off the throttle during slow speed maneuvers but if you maintain the power throughout, feather your clutch as needed you'll notice a drastic difference. Rear brake will help you stabilize some but you'll be surprised what happens even without the rear brake, how much control you'll have just with throttle & clutch.
Somebody said , riders are not getting killed in parking lots or doing u-turns, they are getting killed carrying too much speed and being unable to negotiate turns. I agree with that statement. Parking lot drills are good for learning a new bike and feeling the clutch out. But you are not going to learn a life saving move in a parking lot. I did what you did and left it behind. I will do some parking lot drills in winter when its too cold to do a lot of riding. Watching traffic and predicting traffic, lane position, planning ahead, and good brake control will keep you alive.
Hi MotoJitsu I'm a lady if 67 just back into biking after 16 years away . I watch loads of TH-cam videos for all the techniques I need to become a better motorcycle rider . I've just watched your lasted one on cornering Afraid to lean?? Your words are so absolutely true , I'm not bothered how far my knee gets down or the speed I enter or leave a tight bend , I just want to feel I've taken the correct line , looked in the direction I want to go ( and not get distracted) turn throttle when seeing the exit of the bend , and come through feeling ,wow that felt good ,I did it and I'm still on the bike ! I'm definitely feeling more confident now , but I'm doing some more refresher training on Friday, using the schools motorbike , for u turns , quick stopping , weaving between cones and pushing the bike around manually. I ride a Kawasaki Z650 and I'm so loving being back out on the road again. In fact I ride more miles than I drive 😂 thank you again for all your knowledge and help ❤
Thanks Greg for the incite. One of the best videos explaining leaning and cornering. It’s good to hear from even you that the fear remains regardless of how comfortable and skilled your cornering is.
Points to ponder 3:30 get through corner and then go fast out of the corner 4:15 tennis balls cut in half for parking lot training 5:00 corner fundamentals r vision, throttle, brakes, counter steering my old bmw r1200rs is new to me; yesterday changed out the brake pads with semi-metallic pads, pulled off what looks like full metallic pads; did brake service because brakes seemed very grabby at slow speeds. Be Best.
3:40 this is the MAJOR KEY 🔑. Don’t focus on the lean angle, focus on completing a great turn. Angle will come with pace and control. Oh, do some low speed drills too! Understand the physics of your machine!
I'm completely agree with the theory you mention. We have to adquire knowledge, UNDERSTAND IT, and develop skill enough to execute. The important matter here is to enjoy our bikes without a crash. It's a "to Do" thing at the end, right?
So glad I found this channel. 2 weeks into riding and been applying or trying to apply this info to become a better and safer rider. Appreciate the time you take to inform people man.
This is why I’m watching and subscribed to this channel as he’s straight forward and focuses on being safety not the good looks like the most of the riders wants to be. Ride and/to be safe not to look good!!!
3:24 Learning how to quick flick, precisely allows the rider to keep the bike more upright, which makes the bike more stable, and allows the rider to get on the gas earlier. "A Twist of the Wrist II" baby! Watch it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Excellent video!
I agree with you BUT... Why do I want to be more comfortable with leaning? Your drills are slow speed, you counterbalance in a slow turn. When I am riding at speed(like you are in this video) sometimes I come across a increased radius turn, a very different situation. I would like this tool in my arsenal so I dont panic, I just lean more. Track days the instructors advise not to panic, trust the tires and bike. Lean more! I just want to be comfortable with this allusive tool adding to all the other skills I acquired.
I went to my first gymkhana session yesterday. Cannot recommend it enough! They taught us ONE very simple technique (I think you've gone over in quite a few videos) that applies to most of what we were doing, and in just perfecting that one technique I went from looking like a complete n00b to having enough confidence in the machine to scrape pegs at 10mph. Another absolutely invaluable part of the experience was taking on the course on the variety of club bikes available. The dual-sport was probably the easiest to get around the course quickly, but more importantly it gave me an appreciation for how different machines feel and handle, yet fundamentally do the exact same thing. As for fear of lean, it's directly opposed by confidence in the machine (and rubber). Getting to know the bike better helps a lot.
I popped my true lean cherry the other night. I was flying into a moderate uphill curve (60mph) and it was either push and lean harder and hopefully turn harder or definitely crash over a median into a brick wall and total my bike 🏍️. Well I pushed and leaned harder but it wasn’t enough until I remembered that thing you said about moving my head over my bars. As soon as I popped my head over my right handle the turn was good and felt nice and stable. By the next day/ride I could tell my skill level had gone up as far as fast turns. Your advice is great, I use many of your tips every single time I ride and a couple of them have legitimately saved me and the bike more than once.
I’ve had my M1 for a few years. I took the MSF class, got a Honda Shadow, dropped it, and got scared of it. Recently I bought a Harley Sportster 883. Total impulse buy, but I’m determined this time to ride. Your videos have really helped me to not be intimidated by my bike. Thank you so much for your videos!
I just did my first ART (Advanced Rider Training) and learned a LOT about braking and leaning. Lean = RISK. And if you're not LOADING the tire before you WORK the tire, you're going to low-side the bike. There's no shortcut for practicing.
Couldn't have said it better. Lean all you want in a circuit. It's a controlled environment. On the road there are a LOT of unknowns. While in the middle of a turn there could be sudden crossings, sudden incomings, sand, oil, etc. The more you lean the less control you have. Aside from not riding when it's not necessary, my other aim is to get to my target location as quickly and as safe as possible. Leaning don't achieve that. Putting down the gas on the straights and being good at snaking through traffic does.
People said I want to lean more is really saying I wanna get faster. I asked the same thing in supermoto class, and Brian’s answer satisfied me, to go faster you need faster transition not just having more leaning angle.
Back to riding after a very long break. 'You'll never get rid of all of your fear' is maybe one of the most important things I've heard recently. Knowing that you're human and normal and that others feel similarly helps ;-) I've been down twice; an oil slick at an intersection and mud/gravel on a corner in the mountains in a thunderstorm. Not hurt because I was dressed for the fall. I'm also a hang glider pilot, so I'm used to a little adrenaline! Thanks Eddie!
I had a bit of a moment last week following my friend in a car into an overtake followed by a really sharp (and unexpected) right hand bend. I had to take off as much speed as possible and then lean the bike much further than I was comfortable to make the turn. Part of why I want to learn to lean more is so that I can stay calmer in a situation like that in the future.
Nice video! Personally, I don't know and I don't care if someone is evaluating my leaning angle. Still, there were some moments when I wanted to be more confident in leaning and not jumping on the brakes. Of course, all those moments were my mistake for being distracted by my thoughts and not reducing the speed more before the corner. Practicing leaning in a parking place it's a bit different than leaning on the road due to unexpected situation. I would call it "emergency leaning"... It could be the topic of your next video: Emergency leaning vs Emergency braking in corners, or when would you prefer to lean, rather than push the brakes more. It would be nice to hear your opinion and what makes you decide between the two (considering that it should be a very quick decision).
I have not done your particular set of exercises, but have had low speed training. I just bought a 2015 R1200GS after being on hiatus from riding for a more extended period than ever in my 40 years of riding. The first thing I did was take the bike to a parking lot doing many similar exercises to yours to get myself comfortable with the bike before I rode it on road for an extended period. So I highly recommend your methods. Better cornering comes with training/practice, experience and confidence. Coming home with the bike day one (150 miles) after the hiatus I was safe (in that I was riding within my newly downgraded limits) but at the same time was braking more than usual before turns, at times looking at turns, not through them, and just generally had a built up fear due to rust. After a day of pretty intensive parking lot practice much of that rust was gone, and my confidence was back up.
Just think where you'll be in 6 months if you keep consistent with your practice! And get into more training MotoJitsu.com/courses instagram.com/motojitsuclub/
Can't remember the episode, but what genuinely gave me confidence in leaning, was one of MotoJitsu's video's, where he demonstrated pushing against a cycle tire with constant steady force vs rapid/impulse force. It's hard to trust the tire, but with physics, you can!
Thats a great video for learning. But you also have to keep in mind the "constant steady force" is only as good as the road you are riding on. Some roads are quite bumpy, so knowing the road and maintaining the appropriate speed is key.
I accidentally learned how far my KTM adventure will lean by practicing. I was going into a very familiar turn too fast. I just decided that my bike can lean a lot further than im comfortable with. And i pushed through. Dan dan the fire man would have put me in the brown stage. I made it through!!
I view leaning as: trusting the physics. You're in a controlled fall, but that motion is the only way to not run your bike off the road. The operative word being: CONTROL. Entry speed, amount of countersteering, braking habits, and obstacle avoidance. It's a means to an end. And as I've been riding more, I'm finding I'm more comfortable leaning at modest speeds rather than low speeds. Guess that means I need to practice more.
I love going for a ride with you. Takes me back on the back of my mate's Tiger 650 in the 70's fangin through the bends through Sydney Royal National Park - down the coast road. My boots had the edges scraped at angles. You don't go that low. That is good. But what I see is smooth. I like that. Thanks for your lessons!
Hello. I rode 1000cc sport bikes, and smaller cc also a lot of years and for be better and better everything is good advice in this video... and to be confined in leaning and riding fast you need to ride and ride. For me that was the best, just riding and having fun. Leaning to the pegs came naturally... Ride safe everybody!!
You're great dude. I personally highly highly recommended to go to some kind of beginner course at track. For all kinds of riders and bikes it doesn't matter. It will make you so much safer and better. You can ride many years without learning the basics if you dont.
All things going to plan we would all be entering a bend at the perfect speed but just sometimes due to misjudgement or whatever I for one occasionally find I'm going in a bit too fast for comfort. That's the time when it's useful to be able to push the bike through the bend (countersteer to keep you from running wide). Trail braking too. Maybe the natural reaction in those situations is to stand the bike up and brake hard, something I have done in the past but I hope I am over that now. What I'm really trying to say is those are the situations where getting comfortable with more lean angle is useful.
This might sound dumb, but when i lean more, im usually trying to keep the bike more upright for better traction in rain. Well, that and practicing tight turns in the parking lot.
I love leaning. It makes me feel more comfortable when I’m leaned over vs trying to make the same turn more upright. I really attribute me being comfortable being laid over is why I passed my MSF BRC.
I've seen people argue that he's in KPH. Unless he's figured out a way to hack into BMW's RGS computer to show MPH when he's really IN KPH, it's pretty easy to see in the video that he's in MPH. -_-
Perfectly said. I can go faster than someone who is knee-dragging and safer! This should tell a lot to lot of folks who think lean angle is the priority.
When I was first starting motorcycles, I spent a lot of time on parking lot learning slow speed drills, learning to lean, etc. But compared to people who have ridden less miles than me, I’m still way less comfortable in the twisties. I realized that slow speed skill is not the same animal as high speed skill. I’m comfortable counterleaning the heck out of the bike on a parking lot, but I’m scared to counterbalance or even staying neutral at high speed curves. Only once I realized I need to practice twisties to get better at twisties did I start improving at that
When I ride my harley the seat position makes me comfortable enough to scrape pegs. Recently got a mt09 and as somebody who's only 5'8 that bike feels tall and I'm still getting used to sitting so much higher. I've been riding for a year now and am still practicing obv. but I feel like, on my mt09 at least, I need to get more comfortable leaning so I can make sure I stay in my lane when moving at higher speeds. Definitely gonna check out those courses you were talking about to get better at riding thanks bro.
I like how your delivery has gotten better. Flipped 180 but that is ok. Instead of telling people lesser than your skills are 8th grade riders. Now instead of you have to drag your knee and trail brake, smarter advice.
when I started riding again after 40 years the MORE experienced riders I was around were harping about me not leaning enough. Rode standard bikes in my youth so dragging knee was unheard of except on the track.
fantastic advice- i’m totally with you. I’m a regular track day rider and an old man (52) I hardly drag my knee, and i do it surprises me lol. But i’m still passing all the kids lol
Yeah, this was a great video. I rode dirt bikes all my life and thought I was very competent on motorcyles. Then I bought my first road bike about 4 years ago and wow. What a different set of skills based on topics you talked about are needed for road bikes. It has been more of a mental challenge than physical for me. I commute on my bike about 100 miles a day. Still learning. Still believe or not I struggle with stopping. Too abrupt or not enough. Love to ride though. Great video series.
I think the lean angle is a misconception It's for the race track if you want to get to 50° + lean go to the race track. Also it's the best place to come off.
Do you accelerate or counter steer out of a lean? like, if i'm leaning too far to the left, do i accelerate to stand the bike up more, or do i push a bit on the right hand?
I think what riders are asking is how to not go off the outside of a turn and crash. How do you negotiate a corner when you feel like you're going too fast when you enter it?
Thanks to you,every ride I go out on I practice different things,corner position,speed entering and exiting,gears,slow manovers and overall awareness. And I dont want to sound like a knobend but thanks to you I actually outrun my friends who have been riding all their life.I have only been riding for about 4 years now.The lads seem to be just set in their ways,not willing to learn anymore.Cheers.
I see in this video your traveling at higher speeds while curving. Here in my area, Nevada we have a lot of animals that pop out onto the roads. I’ve seen deer litterly - Hit the side of cars. Swirling is the first choice, braking ect.. Have you ever encountered this issue yet and how did you handle it? ❤
I just drove 1600km across Ontario, Canada on my 2023 GSX-R750 & the only animal encounter I had was a squirrel that thankfully stopped short. Glad the speed limit at the time was only 60km as it went thru a small community... I stayed off the 401/400/main highway as much as I could & enjoyed highway 17b when I could. Such a great time.
Thank you so much again, for another great and helpful video! ✨️ I use your videos, your app, your books - plus the ones you recommend - as a complement to my driving school here in Sweden. 😊 And I do sooo well!!!👌 Slowly, - but surely - I am getting closer to my license! ❤ It means so much to me! 🙏
MotoJitsu Drills The BEST that’s available. Those who dis them likely fragile ego too afraid to fail @ something they have never practiced. Why would you Not practice skills that might save your life one day?!
I know how to lean in corners, drive a moderat/lil fast in corners but it feels like im almost kneescraping but when I look at the videos my friend records i still have alot more angle i can use
Hi MotoJitsu, is there a general rule of thumb on what cornering speed or angle of turn would necessitate or trigger the need to lean? I just got an ebike that tops out at around 45mph and is fairly torquey on the low end, and I've just been gradually increasing my cornering speed (not sure if you'd even call this a corner but my "left turns" on the surface street. I figure this ebike's dynamics are similar to a moto given it's higher speed than a normal ebike.
Some people get stuck on body position because they feel it will help them feel comfortable cornering their bike. For me personally, I always had a problem leaning right for right turns. It came down to correcting my throttle grip and relaxing my left elbow. Instead of fighting the physics in order to maintain control, I corrected a couple small nuances.
As always you are so fantastic at explaining riding theory and empowering skills. But in this video I can not help but think that the guy driving the Ford Pickup thinks, with all your hand gestures, there is a Mad Man behind me.....🤣🤣🤣
Moto, another awesome vid. I learn something new every single time, and its precious information! One point, what camera and sound do you us it just nails it for quality. Sound and picture. George in UK.
I'm buying a 2007 Suzuki C50 in about 3 hours. I've ridden a few sportbikes but that was just test driving. I'm gonna take it to the church parking lot beside the guys house and warm up for an hour or so before I ride it the 12 miles home
I just started riding a couple weeks ago (2024 Suzuki GSX 8S) and I have literally 600 miles under my belt (it’s on the odometer)… I asked my girlfriend the other day (she’s been riding for years) if I lean to much. Making a left hand turn, right 90 degree turn, roundabouts etc. I feel like I may lean to much…. Is that a problem? My GF said it isn’t a problem until it is (slide out)… probably not the best advice.
@MotoJitsu I loved the video. One question: how do you know there is no gravel, rock crush or other, in the middle of that blind curve you go through with 90 points of grip?? You talk to road maintenance crews that morning or you have a link to a web site I don’t?
Great topic and should be required viewing for every rider so we can finally stop the talk about chicken strips and dispel this myth that to go faster you have to lean more. You just lean more when you go faster; it comes automatically once you know how to ride better.
Leaning to me seems like a novice to expert thing to achieve or hold a standard to, like a at one riding with your machine. To pursue something further trying to feel comfortable in a choreographical way, kind of like what you see the best do in motorcycle racing.
more lean = more risk...of course it's fun to lean, and the bike needs to in order to turn...but no need to add unnecessary lean instagram.com/motojitsuclub/
In my opinion learning how to lean to the max and to be able to feel the point where the tyres are loosing grip doesn't mean you than have to drive always like that. It's just a skill that can save your life the day you have misjudged a turn. It's like stretching the range of the situations in which you are still somehow familiar so that once you find yourself in, you don't get bricked by panic and stay smooth and flexible.. and on the bike!
I see so many riders lean the bike over much further than they have too, if they just shifted their weight on the bike it would eliminate the need for extreme lean angles and you can still go through corner just as fast while being safer!
lean depends mostly on speed through that corner...if someone really wanted to take away lean angle, they'd go slower through the turn...hanging off won't do as much as people think at the same speed instagram.com/motojitsuclub/
I am afraid to lean too much on high speeds because the roads where i am are full of potholes and even gravel . On clean roads i have no problem leaning a lot .
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@@lumberjaxe8910 You are right man. I do have a very strong survival instinct but most riders dont have that they risk everything all the time maybe i shouldn't compare themselves to them whatsoever.
Maybe that's the "learning curve"?. Sorry. Couldn't resist. Yes - this happens. Happy happy then, "Oh shit - too fast" all of a sudden. Keep riding. I never knew about counter steering / trail braking / less lean angle etc. before Moto Jitsu. Every ride is a practice session. Pick a thing and make it that days lesson. Happy trails.
I hope this video helps!!! SUBSCRIBE EVERYONE!!!!
All ready have and download your app which I try practice
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Hey Moto, if you ever get the chance and the bike is available for you, could you please do a test drive and review of the Harley 883 SuperLow. Thank you if you do or don't cuz you're a great dude regardless.
as a relatively inexperienced rider (3 bikes, 20k miles mostly in UK) let me explain why I feel like I need to learn how to be comfortable leaning more on MY CURRENT BIKE. On my previous bike an 08 FZ6, sometimes I could compensate for my wrong corner entry speed by leaning more mid-turn or just take the corner more safely etc. On my Tracer 900 GT, I still don't have that confidence and to be honest I'm still a bit scared - I changed the rear suspension and the tyres and it definitely feels much better, but I'm not there yet. That's why I'm going to do a track day this summer, I want to be safer on this bike for me and for my pillion. Love the videos!
I do like your vids a lot but I don’t know if you need to say the same thing so many times I’m English and I think Americans do like to talk compared to us so perhaps it’s just a cultural thing a bit more succinct I think would be good no offence you know your stuff your a great rider and knowledgeable but some vids you could reduce by 50%👌
I just started riding and my fear is not in the leaning itself is in the bike sliding from under me because of debris or not trusting the tires sticking to that asphalt. It drives me crazy. Thank you for all your videos. They have been very helpful for me.
I’m so glad you’re addressing the lean angles lately, I get so tired of hearing young riders obsessing over it…they lack basic skills but are worried about “leaning” opposed to practicing slow ride maneuvering and the fundamentals. 👍🏻
Probably cos parking maneuvers and u-turns don't matter and don't apply over 50km/h.
Leaning allows you to take turns without reducing speed as much.
And he says such in his video.
@HeldIntegral im just learning how to ride and cant get over 15 cause im scared of the lean. And half the turns you are going to make need it
@@outragedgamer1288 over 15 what? degrees? mph? CCs?
"I can't ride One Five" - Sammy Haggar, probably
👉Quiet down gramps.
I started riding a couple of years ago and I just started on the Harley I wanted. The MSF instructor and the first videos I found were by former motorcycle officers and they both put the idea in my head that I had to lean the bike as much as possible. I spent months doing almost nothing but practicing and leaning. Once I got a lot of practice under my belt I found that I almost never had to do low speed u turns or figure 8’s. I was proficient, but in normal riding it would not come up. So I left it behind and focused on practicing emergency stops, cornering properly, like you are talking about. I got a Tuono 660 also, and practiced the rest of the techniques instead of leaning including a huge focus on lane position, situational awareness and planning ahead, seeing what the cars were all about to do and my riding got a lot better as a result. It is fine to develop low speed turns and leaning the bike, but the other parts are more important in saving your life or going faster than the single minded focus on leaning as much as possible.
Sweet, I also got a Tuono 660 but dropped the slow speed cornering drills rather quickly as that bike would "stutter" too much at slow speeds just on the clutch, unlike the trainer bikes I rode. Not sure if it can be fine tuned at the garage. What's your experience?
@@michelb9847 add a bit of rear brake, and bring the revs up.
@@michelb9847 As J3tzt bassman said & to quote another motorcycle trainer. Preload & keep it loaded. Most of us don't realize we tend to let off the throttle during slow speed maneuvers but if you maintain the power throughout, feather your clutch as needed you'll notice a drastic difference. Rear brake will help you stabilize some but you'll be surprised what happens even without the rear brake, how much control you'll have just with throttle & clutch.
Somebody said , riders are not getting killed in parking lots or doing u-turns, they are getting killed carrying too much speed and being unable to negotiate turns. I agree with that statement. Parking lot drills are good for learning a new bike and feeling the clutch out. But you are not going to learn a life saving move in a parking lot. I did what you did and left it behind. I will do some parking lot drills in winter when its too cold to do a lot of riding. Watching traffic and predicting traffic, lane position, planning ahead, and good brake control will keep you alive.
Hi MotoJitsu I'm a lady if 67 just back into biking after 16 years away . I watch loads of TH-cam videos for all the techniques I need to become a better motorcycle rider . I've just watched your lasted one on cornering Afraid to lean?? Your words are so absolutely true , I'm not bothered how far my knee gets down or the speed I enter or leave a tight bend , I just want to feel I've taken the correct line , looked in the direction I want to go ( and not get distracted) turn throttle when seeing the exit of the bend , and come through feeling ,wow that felt good ,I did it and I'm still on the bike ! I'm definitely feeling more confident now , but I'm doing some more refresher training on Friday, using the schools motorbike , for u turns , quick stopping , weaving between cones and pushing the bike around manually. I ride a Kawasaki Z650 and I'm so loving being back out on the road again. In fact I ride more miles than I drive 😂 thank you again for all your knowledge and help ❤
My 21 year old son doesn’t seem perceive danger and fear the way I do at 56. 💡Maybe this is why the government has the youth fight the wars.
Its probably Testosterone levels, i started riding when i focused on increasing my testo levels. Im 31
And yet most fatalities on bikes are in our age category (50+}
@@valskorupko8714 This is true.😢
Thanks Greg for the incite. One of the best videos explaining leaning and cornering. It’s good to hear from even you that the fear remains regardless of how comfortable and skilled your cornering is.
Points to ponder
3:30 get through corner and then go fast out of the corner
4:15 tennis balls cut in half for parking lot training
5:00 corner fundamentals r vision, throttle, brakes, counter steering
my old bmw r1200rs is new to me; yesterday changed out the brake pads with semi-metallic pads, pulled off what looks like full metallic pads; did brake service because brakes seemed very grabby at slow speeds. Be Best.
3:40 this is the MAJOR KEY 🔑. Don’t focus on the lean angle, focus on completing a great turn. Angle will come with pace and control. Oh, do some low speed drills too! Understand the physics of your machine!
I'm completely agree with the theory you mention. We have to adquire knowledge, UNDERSTAND IT, and develop skill enough to execute. The important matter here is to enjoy our bikes without a crash. It's a "to Do" thing at the end, right?
So glad I found this channel. 2 weeks into riding and been applying or trying to apply this info to become a better and safer rider. Appreciate the time you take to inform people man.
This is why I’m watching and subscribed to this channel as he’s straight forward and focuses on being safety not the good looks like the most of the riders wants to be.
Ride and/to be safe not to look good!!!
3:24 Learning how to quick flick, precisely allows the rider to keep the bike more upright, which makes the bike more stable, and allows the rider to get on the gas earlier. "A Twist of the Wrist II" baby! Watch it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Excellent video!
I agree with you BUT...
Why do I want to be more comfortable with leaning? Your drills are slow speed, you counterbalance in a slow turn. When I am riding at speed(like you are in this video) sometimes I come across a increased radius turn, a very different situation. I would like this tool in my arsenal so I dont panic, I just lean more. Track days the instructors advise not to panic, trust the tires and bike. Lean more! I just want to be comfortable with this allusive tool adding to all the other skills I acquired.
I went to my first gymkhana session yesterday. Cannot recommend it enough! They taught us ONE very simple technique (I think you've gone over in quite a few videos) that applies to most of what we were doing, and in just perfecting that one technique I went from looking like a complete n00b to having enough confidence in the machine to scrape pegs at 10mph.
Another absolutely invaluable part of the experience was taking on the course on the variety of club bikes available. The dual-sport was probably the easiest to get around the course quickly, but more importantly it gave me an appreciation for how different machines feel and handle, yet fundamentally do the exact same thing.
As for fear of lean, it's directly opposed by confidence in the machine (and rubber). Getting to know the bike better helps a lot.
I do practice slow-turn maneuvers. I have an issue with leaning at high speeds. I don't know the bike's capabilities, so I slow way down.
I popped my true lean cherry the other night. I was flying into a moderate uphill curve (60mph) and it was either push and lean harder and hopefully turn harder or definitely crash over a median into a brick wall and total my bike 🏍️. Well I pushed and leaned harder but it wasn’t enough until I remembered that thing you said about moving my head over my bars. As soon as I popped my head over my right handle the turn was good and felt nice and stable. By the next day/ride I could tell my skill level had gone up as far as fast turns. Your advice is great, I use many of your tips every single time I ride and a couple of them have legitimately saved me and the bike more than once.
I’ve had my M1 for a few years. I took the MSF class, got a Honda Shadow, dropped it, and got scared of it. Recently I bought a Harley Sportster 883. Total impulse buy, but I’m determined this time to ride. Your videos have really helped me to not be intimidated by my bike. Thank you so much for your videos!
I just did my first ART (Advanced Rider Training) and learned a LOT about braking and leaning. Lean = RISK. And if you're not LOADING the tire before you WORK the tire, you're going to low-side the bike. There's no shortcut for practicing.
Couldn't have said it better.
Lean all you want in a circuit. It's a controlled environment.
On the road there are a LOT of unknowns. While in the middle of a turn there could be sudden crossings, sudden incomings, sand, oil, etc. The more you lean the less control you have.
Aside from not riding when it's not necessary, my other aim is to get to my target location as quickly and as safe as possible. Leaning don't achieve that. Putting down the gas on the straights and being good at snaking through traffic does.
I agree, leaning on the track is a completely different ball game. If you want to increase your confidence the track is an ideal way to learn.
People said I want to lean more is really saying I wanna get faster. I asked the same thing in supermoto class, and Brian’s answer satisfied me, to go faster you need faster transition not just having more leaning angle.
Back to riding after a very long break. 'You'll never get rid of all of your fear' is maybe one of the most important things I've heard recently. Knowing that you're human and normal and that others feel similarly helps ;-) I've been down twice; an oil slick at an intersection and mud/gravel on a corner in the mountains in a thunderstorm. Not hurt because I was dressed for the fall. I'm also a hang glider pilot, so I'm used to a little adrenaline! Thanks Eddie!
I had a bit of a moment last week following my friend in a car into an overtake followed by a really sharp (and unexpected) right hand bend. I had to take off as much speed as possible and then lean the bike much further than I was comfortable to make the turn.
Part of why I want to learn to lean more is so that I can stay calmer in a situation like that in the future.
Nice video! Personally, I don't know and I don't care if someone is evaluating my leaning angle. Still, there were some moments when I wanted to be more confident in leaning and not jumping on the brakes. Of course, all those moments were my mistake for being distracted by my thoughts and not reducing the speed more before the corner. Practicing leaning in a parking place it's a bit different than leaning on the road due to unexpected situation. I would call it "emergency leaning"... It could be the topic of your next video: Emergency leaning vs Emergency braking in corners, or when would you prefer to lean, rather than push the brakes more. It would be nice to hear your opinion and what makes you decide between the two (considering that it should be a very quick decision).
Well said my thoughts as well 👍learn what ever it takes to make that curve you didn’t expect we’ve all been there 👍🏍🇺🇸
I have not done your particular set of exercises, but have had low speed training. I just bought a 2015 R1200GS after being on hiatus from riding for a more extended period than ever in my 40 years of riding. The first thing I did was take the bike to a parking lot doing many similar exercises to yours to get myself comfortable with the bike before I rode it on road for an extended period.
So I highly recommend your methods. Better cornering comes with training/practice, experience and confidence. Coming home with the bike day one (150 miles) after the hiatus I was safe (in that I was riding within my newly downgraded limits) but at the same time was braking more than usual before turns, at times looking at turns, not through them, and just generally had a built up fear due to rust. After a day of pretty intensive parking lot practice much of that rust was gone, and my confidence was back up.
Just think where you'll be in 6 months if you keep consistent with your practice! And get into more training MotoJitsu.com/courses
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That's what I love about motorcycles - leaning, (correctly!), into the corners is the best bit. Like flying.
Can't remember the episode, but what genuinely gave me confidence in leaning, was one of MotoJitsu's video's, where he demonstrated pushing against a cycle tire with constant steady force vs rapid/impulse force. It's hard to trust the tire, but with physics, you can!
Thats a great video for learning. But you also have to keep in mind the "constant steady force" is only as good as the road you are riding on. Some roads are quite bumpy, so knowing the road and maintaining the appropriate speed is key.
I accidentally learned how far my KTM adventure will lean by practicing. I was going into a very familiar turn too fast. I just decided that my bike can lean a lot further than im comfortable with. And i pushed through. Dan dan the fire man would have put me in the brown stage. I made it through!!
Gorgeous scenery - I can't believe how calm and relaxed you are, talking while riding out there at over 100MPH.
It’s not fast for me on this road :)
I view leaning as: trusting the physics. You're in a controlled fall, but that motion is the only way to not run your bike off the road. The operative word being: CONTROL. Entry speed, amount of countersteering, braking habits, and obstacle avoidance. It's a means to an end.
And as I've been riding more, I'm finding I'm more comfortable leaning at modest speeds rather than low speeds. Guess that means I need to practice more.
I love going for a ride with you. Takes me back on the back of my mate's Tiger 650 in the 70's fangin through the bends through Sydney Royal National Park - down the coast road. My boots had the edges scraped at angles. You don't go that low. That is good. But what I see is smooth. I like that. Thanks for your lessons!
I love to lean. I don’t know why people fear it. Yes practice is a huge benefit
Hello. I rode 1000cc sport bikes, and smaller cc also a lot of years and for be better and better everything is good advice in this video... and to be confined in leaning and riding fast you need to ride and ride. For me that was the best, just riding and having fun. Leaning to the pegs came naturally... Ride safe everybody!!
You're great dude. I personally highly highly recommended to go to some kind of beginner course at track. For all kinds of riders and bikes it doesn't matter. It will make you so much safer and better. You can ride many years without learning the basics if you dont.
Yeah. That.
He IS a God.
All things going to plan we would all be entering a bend at the perfect speed but just sometimes due to misjudgement or whatever I for one occasionally find I'm going in a bit too fast for comfort. That's the time when it's useful to be able to push the bike through the bend (countersteer to keep you from running wide). Trail braking too.
Maybe the natural reaction in those situations is to stand the bike up and brake hard, something I have done in the past but I hope I am over that now.
What I'm really trying to say is those are the situations where getting comfortable with more lean angle is useful.
The first two minutes I kept thinking why. I’m glad you addressed that. Good vid, logical.
This video reminded me of a Marine asking for help to run faster to get a better PFT score, and your answer was "just do more pull-ups."
This might sound dumb, but when i lean more, im usually trying to keep the bike more upright for better traction in rain. Well, that and practicing tight turns in the parking lot.
8:38 “I got here 5 minutes before you !” 😂
I love leaning. It makes me feel more comfortable when I’m leaned over vs trying to make the same turn more upright. I really attribute me being comfortable being laid over is why I passed my MSF BRC.
I've seen people argue that he's in KPH. Unless he's figured out a way to hack into BMW's RGS computer to show MPH when he's really IN KPH, it's pretty easy to see in the video that he's in MPH. -_-
coming from a country which uses kmh, after converting his speed to kmh, im like damn son!! that IS fast lol.
Just zoomed in on a screenshot of this video. He is definitely in MPH.
I really appreciated your patience in seeking the opportunity to overtake the car while talking about speed, leaning etc. Good safe riding skill ❤
Perfectly said. I can go faster than someone who is knee-dragging and safer! This should tell a lot to lot of folks who think lean angle is the priority.
When I was first starting motorcycles, I spent a lot of time on parking lot learning slow speed drills, learning to lean, etc.
But compared to people who have ridden less miles than me, I’m still way less comfortable in the twisties.
I realized that slow speed skill is not the same animal as high speed skill. I’m comfortable counterleaning the heck out of the bike on a parking lot, but I’m scared to counterbalance or even staying neutral at high speed curves.
Only once I realized I need to practice twisties to get better at twisties did I start improving at that
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When I ride my harley the seat position makes me comfortable enough to scrape pegs. Recently got a mt09 and as somebody who's only 5'8 that bike feels tall and I'm still getting used to sitting so much higher. I've been riding for a year now and am still practicing obv. but I feel like, on my mt09 at least, I need to get more comfortable leaning so I can make sure I stay in my lane when moving at higher speeds. Definitely gonna check out those courses you were talking about to get better at riding thanks bro.
no problem :)
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I found riders confuse " conquering the road" with " mastering the bike".
Thx for the vids
I heard the HD Fatboy is hard to corner. Would like to hear your expert opinion?
I like how your delivery has gotten better. Flipped 180 but that is ok. Instead of telling people lesser than your skills are 8th grade riders. Now instead of you have to drag your knee and trail brake, smarter advice.
when I started riding again after 40 years the MORE experienced riders I was around were harping about me not leaning enough. Rode standard bikes in my youth so dragging knee was unheard of except on the track.
fantastic advice- i’m totally with you. I’m a regular track day rider and an old man (52) I hardly drag my knee, and i do it surprises me lol. But i’m still passing all the kids lol
52 don’t make you an old man!
@@JD-jg6ov 🤗😀
Thank you for answering the mph question. You make it so smooth that I figured it was kph. 💪
Everyone knows the priority is to drag as much metal as possible. 😉
Yeah, this was a great video. I rode dirt bikes all my life and thought I was very competent on motorcyles. Then I bought my first road bike about 4 years ago and wow. What a different set of skills based on topics you talked about are needed for road bikes. It has been more of a mental challenge than physical for me. I commute on my bike about 100 miles a day. Still learning. Still believe or not I struggle with stopping. Too abrupt or not enough. Love to ride though. Great video series.
I think the lean angle is a misconception
It's for the race track if you want to get to 50° + lean go to the race track.
Also it's the best place to come off.
I'm more afraid that i drop the bike with the drills you suggest. How do i get trouh that?
Do you accelerate or counter steer out of a lean? like, if i'm leaning too far to the left, do i accelerate to stand the bike up more, or do i push a bit on the right hand?
Both
I think what riders are asking is how to not go off the outside of a turn and crash. How do you negotiate a corner when you feel like you're going too fast when you enter it?
Thanks to you,every ride I go out on I practice different things,corner position,speed entering and exiting,gears,slow manovers and overall awareness. And I dont want to sound like a knobend but thanks to you I actually outrun my friends who have been riding all their life.I have only been riding for about 4 years now.The lads seem to be just set in their ways,not willing to learn anymore.Cheers.
I see in this video your traveling at higher speeds while curving.
Here in my area, Nevada we have a lot of animals that pop out onto the roads. I’ve seen deer litterly - Hit the side of cars. Swirling is the first choice, braking ect..
Have you ever encountered this issue yet and how did you handle it?
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I just drove 1600km across Ontario, Canada on my 2023 GSX-R750 & the only animal encounter I had was a squirrel that thankfully stopped short. Glad the speed limit at the time was only 60km as it went thru a small community... I stayed off the 401/400/main highway as much as I could & enjoyed highway 17b when I could. Such a great time.
Got to throttle down when deer are a possibility. They leap like rabbits, often seem stupid, and may not move off the road until you bump them!
Thank you so much again, for another great and helpful video! ✨️ I use your videos, your app, your books - plus the ones you recommend - as a complement to my driving school here in Sweden. 😊 And I do sooo well!!!👌 Slowly, - but surely - I am getting closer to my license! ❤ It means so much to me! 🙏
Thanks for the great videos as always. Questions. What gloves are you wearing? Do you have a link? Thanks
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Those who dis them likely fragile ego too afraid to fail @ something they have never practiced.
Why would you Not practice skills that might save your life one day?!
Eddie, thanks for the video. Yout twisty rides look fun. Have you ever hit Zion National Park or any of these NP's up here in Southern Utah?
I was wondering if you can use your moto jitsu drills on a Honda pcx 125?
I know how to lean in corners, drive a moderat/lil fast in corners but it feels like im almost kneescraping but when I look at the videos my friend records i still have alot more angle i can use
Hi MotoJitsu, is there a general rule of thumb on what cornering speed or angle of turn would necessitate or trigger the need to lean? I just got an ebike that tops out at around 45mph and is fairly torquey on the low end, and I've just been gradually increasing my cornering speed (not sure if you'd even call this a corner but my "left turns" on the surface street. I figure this ebike's dynamics are similar to a moto given it's higher speed than a normal ebike.
Hi , thank you for watching. I'm from germany.Great weather and very good road for riding the GS. I'm riding also a GS 1250. Its nice.
Some people get stuck on body position because they feel it will help them feel comfortable cornering their bike. For me personally, I always had a problem leaning right for right turns. It came down to correcting my throttle grip and relaxing my left elbow. Instead of fighting the physics in order to maintain control, I corrected a couple small nuances.
I Love what you do but do you have any real Twisty Roads like we have in the UK
You got some good knowledge, I want to come down and do a lesson with your so I can improve and see where I stack up.
As always you are so fantastic at explaining riding theory and empowering skills. But in this video I can not help but think that the guy driving the Ford Pickup thinks, with all your hand gestures, there is a Mad Man behind me.....🤣🤣🤣
Moto, another awesome vid. I learn something new every single time, and its precious information!
One point, what camera and sound do you us it just nails it for quality. Sound and picture. George in UK.
:) thanks
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I'm buying a 2007 Suzuki C50 in about 3 hours. I've ridden a few sportbikes but that was just test driving. I'm gonna take it to the church parking lot beside the guys house and warm up for an hour or so before I ride it the 12 miles home
Are excrecises available in metric as well?
Thank YOU for this information!
I just started riding a couple weeks ago (2024 Suzuki GSX 8S) and I have literally 600 miles under my belt (it’s on the odometer)… I asked my girlfriend the other day (she’s been riding for years) if I lean to much. Making a left hand turn, right 90 degree turn, roundabouts etc. I feel like I may lean to much…. Is that a problem? My GF said it isn’t a problem until it is (slide out)… probably not the best advice.
you're not leaning to much
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Where was this ride at Sarge?
The surroundings were beautiful!
Great logical advice! Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Absolutely .
@MotoJitsu I loved the video. One question: how do you know there is no gravel, rock crush or other, in the middle of that blind curve you go through with 90 points of grip?? You talk to road maintenance crews that morning or you have a link to a web site I don’t?
maybe do a test ride, where you check the conditions of the road before going mach 10 thru a turn
Where is this beautiful road??
Very good advice man!
Great topic and should be required viewing for every rider so we can finally stop the talk about chicken strips and dispel this myth that to go faster you have to lean more. You just lean more when you go faster; it comes automatically once you know how to ride better.
Love the channel learned quite a lot from it. Practice your drills all the time. Isn’t 80-99 MPH kinda like track speeds? No judgements.
I don’t know the speed limits there. Sorry if I overstepped.
@@rayhat5111 there 70 on motorways well that's the max speed anywhere in the UK.
Leaning to me seems like a novice to expert thing to achieve or hold a standard to, like a at one riding with your machine. To pursue something further trying to feel comfortable in a choreographical way, kind of like what you see the best do in motorcycle racing.
tbh i lean b/c it's fun to lean. the thing you said about it being safer to lean less has me reflecting on my approach, though, so thanks for that!
more lean = more risk...of course it's fun to lean, and the bike needs to in order to turn...but no need to add unnecessary lean
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In my opinion learning how to lean to the max and to be able to feel the point where the tyres are loosing grip doesn't mean you than have to drive always like that. It's just a skill that can save your life the day you have misjudged a turn.
It's like stretching the range of the situations in which you are still somehow familiar so that once you find yourself in, you don't get bricked by panic and stay smooth and flexible.. and on the bike!
take more courses to learn the limits
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Fast Eddie out here 1 handing the bike at 90 MPH. Savage.
I see so many riders lean the bike over much further than they have too, if they just shifted their weight on the bike it would eliminate the need for extreme lean angles and you can still go through corner just as fast while being safer!
lean depends mostly on speed through that corner...if someone really wanted to take away lean angle, they'd go slower through the turn...hanging off won't do as much as people think at the same speed
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I am afraid to lean too much on high speeds because the roads where i am are full of potholes and even gravel . On clean roads i have no problem leaning a lot .
Ναι ρε φίλε Ελλάς στο μεγαλείο σου...
Το παλικάρι μας μοιράζει σοφία, βρές μερικά καλά στροφιλίκια με καθαρό οδόστρωμα περίμενε να "αδειάσει" όσο γίνεται από κίνηση και πάτα το μέχρι να ευχαριστηθεί η ψυχούλα σου...
Αυτά στα λέει ένας 45άρης με αρκετές σαβούρες για να χορτάσει λόχος.
That's called common sense.
@@lumberjaxe8910 You are right man. I do have a very strong survival instinct but most riders dont have that they risk everything all the time maybe i shouldn't compare themselves to them whatsoever.
@@ΑλεξανδροςΑμανατιδης-ι7ε Respect Mate.
@@lumberjaxe8910 Thanks brother .
Just got the MotoJitsu app, gonna practice later today on my MT-09 SP
I live in Europe and it's been a while since I saw an empty, cages-free open road like that.
Go to western Germany - teutoburgerwald
Mt Laguna, one of my favorite roads to ride a bike.
Old proverb say:
You never stop learning.
Ride different machines.
Grom ,4stroke 2stroke,dirt,
Great road, wow. Yes a great video. Thank you. It makes perfect sense and never thought of the wording.
Great video and useful tips, first time here, subscribed 😊
Can you review the BMW 310 GS ?
Great video. Sometimes I feel good in the corners and sometimes it scares the hell out me ??
Maybe that's the "learning curve"?. Sorry. Couldn't resist. Yes - this happens. Happy happy then, "Oh shit - too fast" all of a sudden. Keep riding. I never knew about counter steering / trail braking / less lean angle etc. before Moto Jitsu. Every ride is a practice session. Pick a thing and make it that days lesson. Happy trails.
What road are we on?
Such a nice scenary for riding.
Does the double yellow line mean you can not pass the vehicle in front of you (legally)?.