Trail Braking You Can See
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Can you make other video focus
The camera to the throttle
Can you make marker different color red or blue so we can see
If use full throttle or zero throttle
Same thing you did here but more on marker if full or zero throttle then .
What is best timing for example
This video the road downhill
If throttle in a full do you need to
Make it zero throttle or just maintain because speed downhill if double kph .
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Today your advice just saved me. Blind corner, narrow twisty road, 70mph and electricity service truck standing in the lane without any usual warning signs. I was trailbraking and all I had to do was to squeeze the brake a bit more to slow down while maneuvering to avoid crash. Cheers from Russia )
Thank goodness you were safe! 🙏🏻
70mph on a narrow twisty road going into a blind corner??
Be careful adding brake pressure and maneuvering, at the same time.
I am a new rider too and just wanted to say this is the best video I have watched so far. Being able to watch everything you are doing helped me so much. As a visual learner, this video was immensely helpful for actually SEEING cornering (drawing the pink line like you described in a previous video), acceleration, braking, etc. Also, some people tend to talk through the entire video and give out WAY too much information at one time. There is plenty of time in this video that you aren't talking at all, or are only commenting "brake, lean, trail, stand up, accelerate." When there are too many words my brain gets lost and has a harder time focusing on the technique being modeled. So in my opinion this video was perfectly made and I learned more from this 15 minute video than I have in the last 2 months of private coaching and practicing. THANK YOU!
This is exactly what I'm trying to learn right now, and this video makes things much clearer.
My instructor gave me advice on how to do it, but seeing it as if from your POV and how you're using the brake and the throttle is just so valuable for me.
Cheers!
This camera angle and video concept was great. Also, you're a badass rider and give us a lot to think about as we become better riders.
Brilliant video. Its one thing to watch someone explain trail-braking, but seeing it like this with a dedicated camera made all the difference ! Many thanks !
I am a beginner rider. I really appreciate your dedication and time to teach us about riding. No one will explain all riding techniques like you do. Thank you!
Yeah don’t do this. Trail braking with your front brake is exactly how you lose the front wheel and drop the bike. This guy clearly doesn’t know what he’s doing.
@@zimvader25thank goodness we have you here to tell us the proper way to ride a motorcycle. I almost listened to the multitudes of people who ride fast for a living…
This is absolute best riding video I've watched. I ride an Indian Scout 60 and twisted a throttle for the first time in my life on June 24, 2023. This video was a total game changer for me. Thank you so much! The way you explain things just makes sense to me. I love how you explain basic mechanics of the bike and incorporate physics. But your videos have exponentially increased my understanding and riding ability in a very short time. That being said, I also practice a ton and have put over 3000 miles on her in 3 months. Thanks again! ❤❤❤
Hey, I'm returning to motorcycling after an 8 year break. This kind of content wasn't a thing really when I learned to ride. Hoping to undo some awkwardness I picked up by just guessing how to ride. I'm glad you make these videos.
I'm extremely new at all this and I'm learning so much from you and the classes I've been taking, and I'm just starting out with my new jet 14 200cc scooter
I like that idea of keeping your two fingers covering the brakes...When I was doing my Leaner's course, you were not allowed to cover your brakes for the emergency stop assessment ..which did not sound right to me in real life applications...having said that I like how you break it all down in percentages...your opening my eyes to good techniques....I have just acquired my full open class license the other day and it has taken 3 years to get there....but there is so much more I want to learn in order to build that skillset that I want...
@@kimw200blaze4 Yeah. I have no idea why they do that. Can’t figure it out. The two finger technique works great. It’s all I use
@@JohnMumford-o1pit’s because, when you’re first starting out, you don’t have the skills to squeeze the brake lever yet. You have to build those fine motor skills and learn to trust feedback from the bike. Too many beginners would panic grab the front brake, and wash out. Same reason they tell you in the msf course to not use your front brake in corners.
This really helps. I use to apply brakes and throttle at the same time. I was not understanding the technique. I should have just taken the explanation literally. "Trail Braking" Trail on and off. The visual on the throttle and the brake lever, brought it home. Thank you so much.
please make more videos with this angle, as someone just learning more and more about bikes and considering getting one, this angle puts into perspective what is actually going on when you say certain terms and as you said having the visual there helps a lot.
Fantastic video. I’m nearly finished my first year of riding in the UK. Starting to learn and utilise some of the more advanced techniques. It’s definitely something to aspire to 😍
Im one month in to my riding and this all looks way to scary to me. I think i will take it easy for a long while before i start learning this kind of stuff. Great video though
Finally... explained and visualized. THANK YOU! The camera angle and the markings on the throttle is what made it finally "click" for me. This is my 10,453 video watched on trail braking, and I finally learned something. Nicely done.
Excellent instruction. I have been doing this for years, but I mostly learned from champ school videos and motogp slow motion videos. This camera view and throttle lines were great.
my english is not great, so basically, if you want to engage corners faster and safer, you need to turn off the throttle, apply a little brake with the front brake before the corner(when the bike is still straight up) and all the way during the corner until you see the exit and then you release the brake and start throttle? is that it?
The only thing that is important is to NOT START using the front brake during the corner while the bike is leaned?
Yeah. This is the one. You've nailed it Greg.
Greg, I've been learning, and enjoying, your last two videos on trail braking. They have fully cemented the process in my mind, more so with that "B-Triple-T". I'm also seeing the practicality in appliance the brakes when it's obviously necessary, versus, trail braking (for me it was confusing at first); and this video brings that out! BTW, that portion when you came up to those 3 vehicles made me wince: the first two could've decided they wanted to turn left, despite the solid line (it's happened to me before); and no doubt you caught the first one by surprise! Thanks, amigo. Semper Fi!
glad to help
Thank you so much for posting this! I’ve always thought I understood the concept until I saw what you did here! Beautiful work, beautiful video, thank you!!
Best trail breaking video I've seen so far. The visuals were outstanding the comments right on....thanks man you are awesome!!!
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The perfect video i wanted to see
I love the way you pointed the camera at your hand while providing information about throttle percentage
Love your videos❤️
Kick ass video. Very comprehensive and good position for the camera on the throttle hand.
Great advice and technique. People ask about the speed since your going 115 mph on a surface road with cross traffic. I only go that fast on the CA freeways.
Great video, best explanation and demonstration I've ever seen. Practiced this today on hwy 243 from Banning to Idawild. I noticed going up the grade I wasn't going fast enough to have to trail brake on most corners, something Greg explains in the video. Going down the grade, however, it was invaluable to use this technique, especially on blind right turns.
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I think people are asking if the speedometer is in km/h because on the video it doesn't seem you're riding that fast. Perhaps because of the camera field of view, maybe lack of wind noise, I don't know. I mean, at 1:48 onward you're going 62 mp/h, which is 100 km/h. When I'm going 100 km/h (I'm from Europe, so we use kilometers) on a bike it seems faster in real life than watching the video.
Or it's just me... I would be interested to hear why others think it's in km/h.
exactly!
THANKS MotoJitsu for what you do! This additional camera and viewpoint is AWESOME!
Maybe because the bike has Curve ABS which enables such behaviour, on a bike without any assistances braking while leaning and turning will make the bike go vertical.....I do trail break especially when I don t know the road and i come in too hot for the corner, so I have to do it kinda.....I always find it a bit dodgy front breaking while turning.....On one hand yeah the front is loaded so it can do some things with good traction, on the other hand, if a road is a little bit slippery, you are gonna lose your front before you know it, easily. Well it s an advanced riding technique, for advanced riders . Same applies for cars. Great video. Thanks man :)
To show the throttle position with the markings is absolutely genius. You are by far the best instructor I've ever seen, I've watched your posts & they've 💯 improved my riding & I'd even say has saved my life. You should have your own champ school 💯. Thanks for all the help & safe riding.
Thanks
All those years being single finally paying off, my right hand is ready to handle brake and throttle at the same time ;)
I tried trail braking yesterday and was afraid that my thumb would roll the throttle too much while braking. Then I thought WAIT MY THUMB CAN DO THAT?!? All these people saying you should twist the throttle like an ice cream cone finally making sense! It's the thumb and small fingers working together for speed while the large fingers cover the front brake, and as your thumb rolls back from the throttle that's when your large fingers have more leverage, and vice versa. But that leaves my thumb in an awkward spot for leverage while braking. But I'll watch more of these awesome videos and get used to things.
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Thanks!
No problem!
Thank you very much for this video. now I know I can brake in a single turn with my GS 👍👍
That was a fantastic video mate - really enjoyed it. You make it look so easy xx
My questions were answered this time! Front brake, rear brake or Engine brake all load the front suspension. Front brake likely more front suspension load but more slowing as well. For my type of driving, the rear brake works best for me, but always realize the rear brakes may not be enough. Thanks.. I was having trouble feathering the front brake without dropping the speed too much. The rear no problem feathering the brake for minimal reduction in speed.
All depends on the pace you’re going
You’re the best channel for this stuff! The view is awesome and easy to understand ❤❤
KUDOS on this format of 2 camera demonstration!! I really enjoyed it. Can I suggest you try a 4 camera setup with the clutch caliper and rear brake added? Yes I know that is maybe a bit munch, but as an instructional setup it might be useful. Again just a thought even if it is unsolicited. :)
Maybe it is just me, at this point, that I favor the rear brake in the twisties (I practice on Thorton Gap in VA, 211 VA, and the Rawley Pike / Blue Grey Trail WV) to shorten the geometry. I find these gaps challenging due to their radiuses and sometimes asphalt conditions since I have to deal with last season's frost heave conditions. Yeah, a few pucker moments a few weeks ago - LOL - but I navigated them, clearly, well enough and was able to still do some portions of the Mid-Atlantic BDR on a Sport Tourer (2013 Yamaha FZ6R). However, I realize I am still learning especially to use both brakes at the same time and getting comfortable with the 1-4-5 (Thumb-Ring-Pinky) throttle grip in the turns to keep the steady tension for the 75% of the curve and slide off the front caliper for the last 25% of the turn for acceleration. I enjoyed seeing how you "slipped" off the brake caliper during this demonstration - something for me to practice. It showed the smoothness of the transition I need to work on.
I know I have my skills gaps still and there will always be more to learn, which is why I follow your videos to improve my overall skills. So thank you for your due diligence in helping us aspire for better skills other than just surviving the road. Thanks for reading and Be safe out there in San Diego. :)
People ask about the units because they're being generous in their assumption regarding speeding. I would not normally have my speedo in view, to put it mildly.
Its WARP speed … - just to let you know … - now get of your high horse, and enjoy life as long as you have it ! … 😊
Because the world is metric, almost nobody on Earth uses imperial units, except for the USA, Myanmar and Liberia.
UK uses MPH, it makes a lot of sense, I’ve used both and prefer MPH.
@@ragetobe I prefer m/s. Makes the equations simpler.
@@grevenstjube What high horse might that be? Pointing out that it's a terrible idea to provide video evidence for the bureaucrats to use against MJ?
Been practising this for a while now,it became so natural i thought i maybe doing it wrong so came back to check. Thanks
I kind of have a Braking advantage while riding my Honda Silverwing 600..it's an automatic, so I use both levers for braking. If I'm entering a right handed corner at speed, I use my left Hand Brake Lever to Trail Brake with. If I'm entering a Left Handed corner, I Trailbrake using my Right Brake Lever. After riding conventional motorcycles for over 35 years, the Silverwing is more fun to ride than my previous Bike, a Yamaha FJR1300...and that is saying something!
doesn't each lever control a different brake and trail brakintg should be the front brake
@@molarmassz My brakes are links front and back. I have more stopping power with the right lever, having 2 pistons on the front caliper. But, I can trail brake just as easily with either lever.
Great video. I watch your stuff and learn all the time.
I think about trail breaking. At least the trouble I’m having. I know the roads pretty well and I know what my speed limit is so I’m always in this position where I’m naturally breaking a little bit before the corner.
I’ve tried a couple times to come in Hot then trail brake , when doing so it works great. the trail breaking on the pikes Peak is rather aggressive so by the time I get on the brakes I’m going too slow. Lol definitely a little bit tricky.
hands down...no other class, video, vip training or 1 on 1 class will trump this video or the slew of other videos you have on riding and technique... you should have 50M + subs.. would be less fatalities on 2 wheels worldwide.... God Bless and keep kickin out that content!.Semper FI brotha
I'm leaning a lot with you my instructors told me not to use break while cornering bc I would lose traction but I see u doing it differently than what I thought
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The hand-cam is super useful, thanks for this demo!
nice as always from you ;-)
Ps. probely alot of Europe checks out your stuff. TIP to users about mph vs Kmh just ask google = mph vs kmh :)
Can you please do another one of these vids angles close up of down shifting with rev matching. Thank you this helps so much.
Thanks for everything you've done, to help us new guys !!
This video is very helpful for me as I'm a beginner rider with a few miles in my hands. Because of I don't have "hi-tech" bike like you, I'd appreciate another similar video, perhaps with an older bike, with second camera pointing on left hand to see your clutchwork as well - how crazy, I know :D
Btw: I know he has quick shifter, and doesn’t use the clutch while riding in this video - that's why I wrote he has a "hi-tech" bike... By my comment I meant that I'm interested in how he use normal clutch combined with use of front brake and gas during up or down shifting on twisties like this. Thank's for comments.
If you're beginner i think you should stick to the fundamentals before advancing to more technical riding. To much to absorb to quick. That would be my guidance to my Son.
@@lumberjaxe8910 You are 100% right. I'm just curious. Thank you for your answer ;)
Bro, u don't need any high tech rider aid to trail brake. You just need brakes ,which I'm sure your bike has.
Not much is happening on the left at that speed. Probably it will be very good for the drills(slow speed practice) and also a camera on the rear brake.
He doesn’t use the clutch while riding, because his bike has a quick shifter.
These are all useful videos and I get the idea but I still don't understand what the "trail" in "trail breaking" refers to. Is that that you "trail off" the breaking pressure before a phase of maintaining speed, or is that more general - that you trail off the speed while making a turn contrary to slowing down only before the turn?
I understand trail breaking the following way: once approaching the turn with no visible exit, first smoothly roll off the throttle, second if needed apply the break and lean the bike, increase the break pressure if needed, three when you see the exit smoothly trail off the break and roll on throttle.
Love your videos! I believe people ask if your doing kmh instead of mph, because so often you're going 90 in a posted 35 zone.😊
The type of brake pads you use are also important here. Some pads have a high amount of initial bite which makes it a little harder for practicing this type of braking. I like to use dual carbon pads which are more progressive, it makes it easier for me to trail brake into corners and modulate the brake pressure if needed.
type of brake pads are irrelevant to trail braking
@@MotoJitsu Just saying various types of brake pads feel different. I prefer ones that don’t have a crazy amount of initial bite, it makes it easier for me.
@@MotoJitsu And great video, BTW. This type of visual instruction is super helpful.
of course they all my have a bit of different feel for preference, but the technique of trail braking doesn't care about why type of pads you have, or bike, or tires or where the bike is.
In my opinion this is one of your best videos super helpful! It would be awesome to keep doing this type in the future. Thank you!
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Excellent. Best cornering video so far! Appreciate the channel.
Thank you brother. Once again you nailed it with your video. Now to try this on my streetglide.
You make the best and most instructive videos sir. Your explanations and instructions are so clear and precise. Thanks for making them.
I’m finally starting to get it. Thank you. One question, you seem to get on a lot of throttle on the exit of each corner before you are upright. This comes at a time when you are fully off the front brake and the front forks are unloaded. Am I seeing this correctly?
You can start to accelerate before you’re perfectly upright
Hands down the best explanation and visual I’ve seen. Thank you sir. Today I will ride a lil bit harder
Glad you like the video
@@MotoJitsu on the real though. I went out to the canyons yesterday with a small group and was actually able to not only keep up but push a lil harder. It’s hella cheesy but this video honestly did help me out. Can’t say thanks enough for guys out there like you. Salute 🫡
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Absolute great video, what an awesome idea to film your hand, its way easier for me to follow what you're talking about! :) This gives me way more confidence.
Awesome! Thank you!
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I am a subscriber , This is a great video.. I caution you & anyone going 80-111mph or very fast when there is a group of RV,s park on the side of the road- pets/kids/people that might dart in the road.
This is some terrific advice. I'm a new rider, recently passed the CMSP in San Diego and bought my first motorcycle (used 2019 G310R!). Been riding in the city so far, nothing crazy but want to make it up to Julian/Palomar Mountain areas eventually. This will be so helpful when I get there (and to practice until I do).
If you happen to see this, I had a question about body positioning: You mentioned around the 9:10 mark in the video that you're not moving your body all that much (not moving your butt out of the seat, etc.).
I've seen some of your recent videos on instagram where you talk about body positioning / lean angle / moving the butt out of the seat (and elbows, head forward, etc.). So is that something you'd only need to do when riding at higher speeds and more aggressive (shorter) corners like the twisties?
Most people don't need to move their body on the street unless you're going at a pretty quick pace or just practicing...but it's way more important to focus on the basics first: vision, throttle control, braking and countersteering.
Once you get a few thousand miles of experience, get into SoCal Supermoto as many times as you can, I've already been 25 times and it's an awesome school located in Riverside offered every weekend. MotoJitsu.com/courses
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@@MotoJitsu Thank you! SoCal Supermoto is definitely on my list, and a few of the other ones you recommend too.
all are good
My dear online coach, i just had to sell my beloved bike due to financial issue and lack of work.. it hurts like a biatch Sir!!
I wanted to thank you for all your classes and instruction. I followed your channel with pleasure and will surely get back to it once I can afford a bike again.
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Feel u.Been there ,done that. But u don't need a bike to watch a video, right?
@@patrickmba7638 absolutely. I'll keep watching. Just can't practice the belts anymore......And as you mentioned rightly, I'll get another one when I'm able to.
Possibly looking for a 750 4cyl beast....put the same bars I had on the CBR650R ( perfect height) and keep that one forever
@narusawa74 Oh. U had the 650R? How did u like it? That's an option I've been thinking about for my next bike, health permitting.
Best video yet Greg. Great idea!
Do you only use front brake to trail? Do you use any rear brake when trailing?
60 to 100 mph speed most of the time on 4 th gear !! The gear ratio of GS is taking care of it ? Very nice video and amazing skill!! Trail breaking nicely demonstrated ❤
4th gear on the bike has a wide, wide range :)
I find it looks like kmh just because you're so skilled and so smooth that it looks like there is no way you're doing 3 digits through corners. I know it's mph, but you're so good that you make it look like kmh
Maybe your best video! More people need to see this!
Nice demo! I like this format. Thanks!
Your videos are the best to the topic. Congratulations and many thanks!
Best trail breaking video. Thanks. That right hand camera really helps.
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Excellent video - well explained and great camera(s) visuals. Thank you very much for the learnings.
Awesome! I love your content man, keep goin! :)
that tape with markings on gas is such a win!
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@MotoJitsu at this point, I have binge watch all of your videos at least once. Some I will rewatch when I get there.
thanks for watching
Good vid!!! , just one point though for us uk riders, if we cover the brake it’s a rest failure, don’t know about the US🤔 (test)🤨
This is probably a dumb question but i hope you help me with it: when you’re at 0% throttle, not on the brakes, and I guess just carrying speed through the corner, are you using the clutch at all? I’m always worried about stalling the bike or something if I’m not on the throttle at least a little bit.
No...the clutch is something you never touch unless you're shifting
Great video as usual !
Grip camera view - excellent !
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Thank you again for sharing your knowledge. To be able to see how you use the throttle and the brake...👌🏻
True however, the safest option is to already be in a speed that you do NOT have to brake mid corner. End of discussion.
But, if you have to for some reason, then YES, Trail braking is definitely a safer option than to slam on brakes mid turn/corner.
Just remember that there is a risk with trail braking because excessive use of the front brake can result in a loss of grip as the tire's adhesion is split between braking and cornering forces. Effective trail braking requires finesse from the rider, which can be difficult to learn.
Trail braking is safer to learn and practice at any pace. Take more courses MotoJitsu.com/courses
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Do you have any inputs on the rear brake during your "tip" or only at the first braking to slow down?
I might have missed it, but are you using rear brake at all while cornering?
Were you using only front break? Or are you also using back break also?
Props to the great video! So when we break does that pretty much always mean we have already rolled OFF the throttle and are not maintaining it or are there some cases where we can break and have the throttle slightly cracked?
People are looking at the Speedo and thinking that it's wrong... On camera, it doesn't appear that you're going that fast. To the viewers that think that... Just watch the broken center lines in the middle of the road, (when they're available) those spaces in between are twelve feet apart! Just my opinion, but I briefly thought that, too! A first glance, it doesn't appear that you're going that fast!
I was watching the Nascar races one time and my uncle showed up, (he was 75 yrs old and didn't watch T.V very much) the track width at the Races are super wide, four cars can run together side by side, but you never see them do that.. two cars at most. Anyway, I told my uncle to come in and watch the final laps of the race. He sat down and I pointed out the Average Track Speed, that they show on the screen, in the little box..
I said, "Look at that, they're averaging 185 mph, that's crazy right?".
He said, "No Way!!"
He didn't believe it! He thought It Was Wrong!😅. I had to explain it to him about the width of the road, throwing off his perspective... He still says, "I don't think so.."😮
On a cable throttle the movement is even less, on account of how sensitive it gets in its active region.
What a rider impressed with some of the speeds hes doing. Can lern a lot from this man
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Recently saw a British you tube channel MCN where one of the hosts showed a guest rider ,seeking advice , that a way to hold throttle was between thumb and first finger , and squeezing front brake with index finger and third finger .
I tried this and find it gives more control of throttle and the squeeze on brake is stronger, there is no need to slide down the fingers for brake as you do .
Wonder why you use only the thumb for throttle and first two fingers for brake ?
I have a problem with the Trail Breaking technique.
I use the front brake about 15-20% before entering the corner. Although I brake so little and my speed is high, even this much front brake reduces my speed considerably in the corner. As such, I have to release the brake before the exit point of the corner. In fact, when I see the exit of the corner, I have to release the front brake and accelerate. This situation reduces the cornering performance considerably. If I try to enter the corner faster, this time I have to enter much faster than I should. How much brake force will be enough to compress the front suspension?
Thanks for this, seen a few trail brake clips but this is the dogs danglies 🤓😎
How do you read the corner? How sharp it is etc... All corners looks too sharp for me to go 60+mph into it.
Beginner here, one question though- when you r leaned over and trail off the break, doesn’t it unloads the suspension while you are still leaned..
Awesome, nice view and ride, bit jealous because i got no fair and nice long road like that to go and stay around 70mph, with bike that big i might be stuck at 1-2gear most of the time here lol
When doing your initial brake before the curve are you using rear breaks and if so are you gradually rolling off before the curve starts or suddenly lifting off rear brake?
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Thats a very inspiring skill to practice !!! did you use any rear brake before entering the turn?
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The kph v mph thing relates to how speed looks on the video. When you were doing 101mph it didn't look it on the video, that's why people are asking if your speedo is displayed in kph. Also, all euro bikes are in kph, except for UK.
The camera isn't good at showing big speeds. 👌
Trailu Breaking is a bedy gooood 👍 thank u a motojitsu sensei 🙏
At the beginning and the first fast left hand bend you accelerated to some 94 mph. rounding that bend. Is that a legal speed on that particular road and should you be using hat speed anyway to take bends at?.
is your foot brake being applied for the initial braking by any chance or is this all front? thanks for the helpful videos
Only front
thank you for making such good video, It is great idea to have a go pro pointing at the angel of your break and throttle. I've learnt a lot from your video.
I ride rolling the throttle with my pinky ring finger and thumb. And I always have my pointer and middle finger on the brakes… I never have to think about adjusting for turns…. It happens from instinct and not wanting to die…
Thank you for your passion in teaching good techniques ! 🏍️🌎🏍️🌎🏍️
Thank-You Eddie! That's a perfect lesson!
Glad you liked it!
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