Rust Never Sleeps!! Silverado, Sierra Frame Rust & Rot...
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Replace the fuel pump, cut out and replace the crossmember, then hit the chassis with a wire brush grinder disk, then paint with POR 15 paint. It will stop the rust cold.
What I’ve taught all of my customers over the years is “ if considering a used vehicle always insist on an independent inspection. Most dealers or sellers will let you do it. If not walk away. 😊😊
I seen a lady selling an 06 Suburban from Michigan here in Denver. That Sub had more rust than 50 year old trucks on the road here in CO
Standard equipment on any 4 yo gm truck that one is actually pretty solid
My wife and I are from the rustbelt,,, I’ve been in Texas and Georgia since I was 20,,, I’m 66 now.. For the last 38 years, I’ve been telling my wife there’s no way I would ever move back!!!! I have enjoyed 59 Chevys, old El Caminos , 69 SS 427 impala ( yep) kept my daughters in old Chevy Shortbed regular cab pick ups in high school in college… it’s a pleasure to work on old vehicles in the south!!!
I wash underneath my vehicles every couple years ,,, the pictures underneath,,, and a good write up generally sells my vehicles privately (fast)…I usually keep my vehicles 10 to 17 years.. the family vehicles are bought new and kept a long time. Do my own maintenance oil changes tire rotation. Never had to do it major engine work,,, one Shortbed Chevy pick up we sold it with 385 k miles.. we had it 13 years ( we put 260 k miles on it) and sold it for what we paid for it when it was 3 years old (8 k)
I usually do most of my own repairs...but recently I tried a local small shop to replace some tie rods on one of my vehicles because I'm looking for a mechanic I can trust. I'm also looking for someone to take a vehicle for a pre-purchase inspection the next time I buy a vehicle. I could've replaced the tie rods myself...but it was worth the money to find a good mechanic.
A couple of years ago, I had a vehicle just as bad. We looked around and in time found a donor frame. I put the donor frame on stands in the garage. It took the winter but, with help, we were able to swap the old onto the new. It was a lot of work and took time but was totally doable. I had the time and a shop big enough and friends to call on for help. In the end I sold with a small profit.
For 99.99% of the public, that is not an option. And it took all winter. That is a hobby😂. I have a 2 car garage I work out of with a mid rise lift. I can pretty much fix just about anything on a car, but frame swap I don’t have the facilities or equipment to do it
We r u located boss I need a swap
I went through with my project because, for a lot of reasons, I just HAD to to do it.
Is YOUR project worth it to you ? Is so THINK a lot about it, find a space to COMPLETE the job, it doesn't have to be great space, but you need time to work through the issues you'll find and the learning you need ( THIS CAN TAKE A LOT OF TIME ).
Get organized collect tools and get going.
Make mistakes, correct the mistakes, keep moving, NEVER stop moving.
Finish.@@jamaalbusby3872
Not a problem. Cut the truck frame in half and replace the back section with a donor part. Did this many times. Labor 2k plus parts.
The amount of post-purchase inspections I've done at my shop massively outnumbers pre-purchase inspections...but the pre-purchase inspections are so much more satisfying for me and my customers....saving them from headaches is always the more important thing. That said...the post-purchase inspections can be serious heartbreakers after someone bought the thing
I always find it amazing that people who live in the snow belt are afraid to crawl under a vehicle and look at it before buying. You don't have to be car smart to see that truck has a problem. Fresh undercoat should raise alarm bells also.
Sooooooooooooo glad I moved out of the 'rust belt"!!! I lived in Illinois and had an '03 Silverado and the body rusted to hell. The brake line that crossed over at the front rusted through. The truck ALWAYS started and ran beautifully, but the rust was the last straw. Friggin salt in the winter is a disaster to any vehicle.
Easily avoided that today when great products like surface Shield applied when new
I’ve been told to take a used car to a mechanic to check it out since the 1970. I’ve told everyone I know if your going to buy a used car take to your mechanic and have him check it out.
Kenny your advice is right on.
Interesting. After about 10 years my 04 Sierra rusted out on the rear fender wheel wells, rocker panels, cab corners, etc. I washed it regularly too. The frame actually held up pretty well. Very disappointed in how poorly the body held up. Got rid of it a few years ago.
Funny when Kenny said pulling beds off around here lately. Made me laugh and smile.
looks like north east salt roads did a toll on the frame! or it was submerged in a lake ten years! thanks for the inside look with the bed off!
Kenny, I have a 07 Silverado that had the same frame issues. Bought it off a used car lot and when I went to put shocks on it I found all the frame issues. Those early 07-10 Silverados all have that issue in the rust belt because the coating GM used on the frames did not adhere properly and starts to release from the frame but does not tear off. This created pockets for water to get trapped between the coating and the steel. I actually went through and cut out and replaced all the cross members, shock mounts and sections of the frame rail on mine. You will more than likely find that the drivers frame rail that is next to the gas tank will be rusted through as well. I still have the before and after pics of all the work it took to fix everything. Not a fast process.
Fascinating - it appears that GM has issued this same recall more than once!! Their fix is to strip off the affected wax areas and use a prep paint that is 3% phosphoric acid and 1% zinc. Then reapply the Nox wax. "The General blames the problem on a third-party supplier’s error, in which the supplier did not prep the metal of the frames correctly. As a result, the wax coating did not adhere properly, leading to it peeling off after exposure to the elements and driving conditions. GM has an available fix for this problem, offered at its dealerships."
somebody posted this on the Daubert Chemical youtube vid for Nox-Rust 1210HP:
@ChrisrZ28
6 years ago
GM uses this garbage nox rust crap and most of thier frames are rusting out. go look at any silverado in the dealership lot and you will see what i mean. brand new truck frames rusting. what a joke
That's crazy. Glad I live in SE Texas and not the rust belt. My wife has a 2004 Tahoe. Nothing but minor surface rust underneath.
A friend scrapped a 2007 Chevy 1500 last year due to frame rust. It was 10x worse than the one pictured here.
That really hurts😢. I remember myself giving customers bad news. Keep up the great work Kenny. You have a big heart.
That thing sat for a while after a few rust belt winters. That's why the sheet metal still looks ok.
People don't check things hoping that things will be OK and don't test drive it .
Oil spray is cheap and works well.
Find a used frame cheap that is good
I bought a silverado and the first thing I did was lanolin coat the bottom
Just today I put a car up on some ramps and realized the whole rear unibody is gone. I felt so bad telling the lady it's time to junk it. :(
Where did it go?who took it?
Brake lines often are rotten too. Great trucks, but prone to corrosion due to salt.
I spray my 12 silverado with oil annually, but after watching this video gave me new points too look at and make sure i get it good,thanks
Guarantee that tank is attached to that frame by the magical holding power of rust
I grew up in eastern Canada. 10 years out of a vehicle and it was rusted out unless you sprayed the undercarriage with rust check or used up engine oil. Makes a mess and you get really dirty doing repairs but much better than rusted out frame and body.
A friend was very proud of the miles he had on his car. It stopped running, and I helped him determine that it needed a computer. I got it running, but looked it over. Suggested that he stop driving it. It was so rotted out, if he was in an accident, it would crumble!
I think I would check to see who did the last safety inspection.
GM Has a serious frame problem with anything past 2005. This was never an issue with vehicles before.
Rust never sleeps, and neither does stupidity. So long as we continue to brine and salt roads, we can never expect a vehicle to last 10 yrs
Especially in the rust belt. My friend, in the Hudson Valley NY, has a 2012 Ram 2500. It is in great shape, but the frame rotted through. There has to be a better way to prep the roads in the rust belt. Thanks for watching the channel & keep wrenching 🔧
@@WrenchingWithKenny hes even farther south than i. As soon as the temps get below freezing here, theyre spraying the roads, snow or not. Over half the year were subjecting our 50 to 100 dollar plus vehicles to some of the worst corrosive concoctions legal to use... its criminal
@@WrenchingWithKenny just need to slow down and learn to drive on snow covered roads. This bare road policy is unrealistic, unsustainable.
it looks like that truck was at the bottom of the ocean for decades 😮
Years ago, I worked at a GM dealership that had 2 owners. The one with his name on the building started a used car lot in a nearby town. He would buy cars at auction, then have them looked over by me, then detailed at the main dealership before taking them to the used lot. At first, he had every car for the used lot gone over at the main dealership. But after a while, he got tired of us pointing out problems, so he just took them straight to the used lot, had his kids wash them, then stuck them straight on the lot for sale. No inspections, nothing. Not even oil changes. The only time he fixed anything on one of the used lot cars was if someone said "fix this issue, and I'll buy it". Otherwise, they were untouched mechanically. That came back to bite him several times, but he didn't care. The second owner would buy nicer used cars for the main dealership that rarely needed a single thing. Sometimes not even oil changes, but we did them anyway, because he insisted.
After I left, the main dealership lost it's GM backing when the government bailout happened, so the shady main owner sold his half to the second owner. He turned it into a used lot that sells quality used cars.
The shady used car dealers always end up getting bitten in the ass. Thanks for sharing. Keep wrenching 🔧
Looks like it was bought as the winter truck, then sold when the rust was bad, with a quarter tank of fuel ,so as to not get the smell.
Looks like it was down there with the Titanic
Looks like any car/ truck at the "wes can work or sma" channels
Repairs to that truck will probably be a lot more money than what the customer paid for it. The best option will probably be to buy another truck with a good frame but a blown engine and a cab in bad shape, transfer the good parts to the good frame but this will also be an expensive option.
Nice parts truck or one to find a frame for and fix yourself.
I've had my brother bring frames from Georgia
In the UK, the way this is dealt with is by the annual inspection. Used car sellers will normally get a new sticker, so it is sold with 1 year of motoring. It would be unusual they would let you take the car to an inspection station. Our main recovery companies offer to go to the dealer to inspect, but you have to be a member, and pay for this.
Inspection stickers were almost universal here until it was finally realized that they were worthless. Cars from states that had inspections were found to be not one iota in better condition and in some cases better. This led to many states stopping the useless TAX that was the only real reason the inspections were in place anyway.
Yeah I live just south of you in SC we see this a lot around here people or dealers bring these rust buckets from up north. Most people around here are use to local rust free cars and don't check, then get stuck with an unsafe vehicle.
That’s why they call Chevrolet rust buckets even from the old days
Hi Ken, Good video. There are ways to go about this. Do you know how much they paid for the truck? Maybe not too much, so they can afford to get a whole chassis from a southern truck or a low mile truck with a smashed front, then R&R everything. Or as a last resort, sell the body, and drivetrain. Which way they go all comes down to what it will be worth when they are done. I come from a low income area where the used car lots sold vehicles just like that. The people who bought them could not be dissuaded, so I'd give them a list of safety items to fix in order of priority and I am telling you they would come in every other week Semper Fidelis and get something done. It was a goldmine for the shop owner. I get what you're saying though: Why didn't they come in for a safety inspection first? Well that stems from your perspective. Ordinary people don't know the goings on of an automobile, and they're not lawyers, so they don't know. What I saw was they get bit by that "new car bug," and it bites hard. Once they "see" themselves in it, they can't leave it behind. You said yourself the body looks great. So you just have to work with them. Unless you hate doing that kind of work, give them an itemized list and give them an hourly rate. Visit a body shop who takes "totaled" vehicles and puts them back together. It's a lucrative line of work if you don't mind working on smashed stuff. Ditto with rust. ben/ michigan
Number one if I'm buying truck is check if is e-coated.
Yup just picked one up off a buddy and it’s rotting it’s got 130ooo miles and it’s junk day two driving it .., I know a welder hopefully we can get it so I can get use out of it
The rust is strong with this one. Owner was not as smart as he thought he was. Car dealers don`t like me cause I crawl under the truck and have a peak. If I cant get under it, I have a extendable phone holder and take video so I can see the condition. Had a few freak out when I plugged my scanner in. 🤣I got burned once 4 decades ago, never again. That truck needs a frame swap and it should last a long time provided owner keeps up with maintenance. Sorry the owner is going through this.
Bring a boroscope for box chassis frames - rusts from the inside out! What the freak out then. hahaha.
Either bolt the body onto another chassis or send the truck to the wreckers !
I bought a chevy silverdo 05 that I new had this problem... kits for two cross frames are 153 bucks .... I got the truck at half price, but the frame is in decent shape
I can relate to this video recently my buddy bought a 69 Firebird400 4 speed convertible brought it home and I said why did you buy this it's got to be the worst one on earth so Rusty not running but complete with a title he released the top latches to put the top down in the car hit the ground it broken half this thing is Big junk he's going to restore it he's out of his mind but hey I guess you can restore anything it all depends how crazy you are and how much money you have have a great day thanks to the video
And there rust free😊
I'm from Nevada, please tell me what this rust thing is, never heard of It
Has to be a truck from the rust belt that made it down south
I get your point of inspecting before buying, but changing those cross tubes is pretty simple. Little plasma cutting, little welding, some new paint and your ready to roll. $1500 dollar repair.
Brake lines probably just as bad along frame
I pressure wash and wd 40 the hell out of my frame and all underneath every spring....damn salt 😊
Looks like new frame time.
Hey Kenny, would it be at all feasible to just move the body and the good stuff to another frame? Yeah, sounds dumb but, I believe that the dumbest question is the one you don't ask, when you had the chance. Love You, Man! Keep up the talent! Have a blessed Wednesday!! 💯👏👍
In my opinion Chevrolet GMC should have to replace that junk
either get a clean frame from down south , or ship it off to the auction. the latter is what i would do
My Toyota Trundra has been thru two frames first one covered by recall second one was not covered. Truck in great shape otherwise.
I've no doubt that since the 90's (if not earlier), every mfg tested against salt/corrosion and knows almost exactly what the failure point is.
No, I'm not saying stuff has to last forever, but how better to plan sales based on planned obscelescence.
planned ob·so·les·cence indeed!
It's terrible that a nearly modern truck has such a bad corrosion problems. I'm definitely in the rust belt in Detroit, my daily driver 40 year old Ram has plenty of surface rust on the frame but nothing like that abomination.
Full frame it. Just R&R an entire frame possibly rolling chassis. If they do that you can get another 200k out of it. As well as replace sender.
That’s a Chevy for you
Looks like it's from Michigan rust rust
...how did that pass state inspection to get tags etc...someone is liable somewhere
I've experienced the same kind of things multiple times.... bring me the car after it's been bought.... not much I can do at that point...
That truck must have been sitting in water for a couple of years, hurricane maybe or located in the northeast rust belt. I've got a 2001 dodge ram that has no rust on the frame.
That is northern truck rust
salt brine coats all the nooks and crannies.
a lot of this falls back on the engineers that design this stuff making places inaccessible to a water hose. just look how that fuel tank wraps around the pipe!!!
Replace the frame. That's the safest bet in the long run.
Another channel discussed a similar issue the other day except he was working on 2018 he is always saying that in his area 10 - 15 years tops.
This would be a good doner for a body shop that had a good frame on down.
Gm should have by law to fix that.
Damn! Did they park in in the ocean? Salt and Sand truck?
Did you drag that down from new york wow lol
I bet the break lines are rusted bad also
Man that is upsetting to see. Looks like a nice truck too. That rust belt is something else, people should rust treat their vehicles every year there. Although you may wash underneath well, the roads are full of salt even in the summer. That salt just eats them up, even the old cars that had thicker frames. Shame
I have lived here my entire 49 years. I do not know what it is but something changed about 10-15 years ago with what they put down on the roads. Things rusted years ago but not like they do now. I bought a truck 3 years ago from down south and It wasn't rusty at all. I coeaned and undercoated the enitre frame when I bought it. I washed it regularly now 3 years later my frame is gone. It is either the materials GM is using or the chemicals they are putting down. It is no longer just salt. It is salt mixed with this blue chemical.....wish I knew what that is. I have seen with my own eyes 2 year old cars rusting badly
I don't know what that could be, may be the chemicals that they use for driveways and such. Needless to say that they don't make cars like they use to. I'm sure the frames or these unibodies are as light as they can get away with. Undercoating I would guess doesn't work well for a newer car because it may hold the moisture in the metal and cause it to rot that way. It is a no win situation. I would wash underneath the best I could and treat with that rust reversal stuff once a year and hope for the best. The price of cars now days is outrageous, I would say they need to make the frames stainless steel. The problem with that is stainless will snap and not bend as well, so it could be bad if you get into a collision.@@scottp7620
even in the summer!! So tragic.
@@scottp7620 The salt turned into a brine now instead of salt rock. "So adding this bluish tint to that brine will help us ensure that we know what roads have been brined just a little more visible than other salt is." McLeod adds you'll probably really be able to see the Liquitint Winter after snow is on the roads as it will turn some snow blue"
Depends on what kind of undercoat - the Fluid Film does not last - nor any mineral oil. GM uses a petrolatum wax. Only it dries out and flakes off. So it only lasts a couple years - also it's probably too thin so water gets through it. I have been trying to save a 2004 TrailBlazer - with the box chassis frame. I got a frame repair kit welded on - since Colorado has the same frame. I got a patch plate weld put on. I sprayed phosphoric acid inside the frame and around. The Rustoleum Epoxy Applicance spraypaint actually holds up well. I used ChassisSaver also - it peeled in some places but held up in other places. Messy stuff though and cures in the can after you open it.
I used RP-342 paraffin wax. Now I just made a DIY petrolatum wax from toilet rings - 3 lbs of it - with 1 lb of paraffin mixed into 4 lbs of pure gum turpentine (that also leaves a rosin). Too thick to spray it - so I didn't get really good coverage. I will now buy FluidFilm black for the inside of the box frame - I used a boroscope and the phosphoric acid did convert the rust. On the underbody in general I'll use STA-BIL® Rust Stopper which is another petrolatum spray with mineral oil.
Put a frame in it and you have a better truck then any of the junk they sell new toady!
Looks like a truck cody lavoie would sell
This video reinforces the fact of why you shouldn't buy at an auction.
They're looking at another frame. Got an '06 just like this 1. My sense of humor doesn't go this far.
More fab…..
What did they end up doing?
It became a parts truck. It was so far gone, it wasn't safe to be on the road. Thanks for watching 🔧
And what part of the ocean did that truck get drug out if. It might have a 5.3 but it’s got 5.3 centuries of rot built up on it.
That is raodsalt killing a vehicle.
The other RotFest is parking a vehicle in tall vegetation for extended periods.
Long grasses inhibit ventilation and provide tons of moisture to collect on the underside.
I've seen a well built Volvo famous for not rusting with similar rot to this vehicle. the Volvo sat in long grass for a couple of years. That is all that is needed.
It is like parking your vehicle in the sea for a couple of years.
Did that sit in salt water? Get salt water splashed up on it a lot? Come from the rust belt?
we dont allow rust in my country
Flood vehicle?
New England vehicle. Horrible combination of winter road salt/sand & boat ramp. Thanks for watching 🔧
What ended up happening?...
The customer lost a lot of $. It became a "parts" truck. Thanks for watching & keep wrenching 🔧
@@WrenchingWithKenny I would have did a frame swap..
That wax coating gm puts on their frames does not hold up well in my opinion
Damn shame, nice truck so they thought.
Must have came from up north where a lot of salt is used during winter. Ask about the history of a vehicle and where its from.
Unfortunately for the new owner that truck should’ve been parted out.
needs to come apart and have a lot of rebuild
Didn’t think you could sell a vehicle with a bad frame being a dealer
Eric O had a gal bring in the car she just bought. He put it on the lift. Just about as bad as this truck. She actually got her money back with Eric O's help.
Lot of welding and grinding that's sad. Could be saved. But some money though.
Some used car dealerships are not to good especially buy here pay here they are the worst they get the vehicles no other dealerships will take
How much for a whole new frame
have that truck been submerged in saltwater for 10 years?
that rusted, 110k miles, pitiful
I need to start a business selling rust free vehicles back east...might be some money to make?
Be sure to state that in your marketing! 👍👍👍
ITs a tough business model. Stuff down south is expensive compared to rotted out cars up north. People aren't bright enough to realize they have to pay double for that southern rust free vehicle up north and want it for up north prices.
And a Southern car could be mechanically trash, no matter how good the body looks. There are people who take care of their stuff, and get it maintained at places that actually change the oil and fill it with the correct oil, but they tend to be the people who keep it for 15 years. The South has a lot of poor people, a lot of shady shops, and especially new money idiots. Any time you are buying a car that isn't from someone you know, you almost have to assume there's a murder victim in it somewhere and look it over that closely.