@@pedroapinto06If that is true (I don't know), when you increase your final speed you will be slower when accelerating, In other words, it would be even slower compared to F1.
@@liviu543 it does matter, aero can only do so much. Because aero is subject to tires performance at the end of a day and tires subject to physics, meaning no matter how much aero you have, you can still loose pressure, overheat tires, start losing mechanical grip etc, which is common for these straight line fast evs as they have lots of instant torque, but are generally heavy and can shred tires fast, so downforce won't help when your car starts understeering naturally
@@01iverQueen all things are subject to physics. Tire degradation due instant torque can be mitigated by more down force. I share your thinking though, tire technology is the limiting factor
@@liviu543 yeah ev tires is a new thing, tire manufacturers confirmed that instant torque during intense acceleration shred them fast, there aren't tech yet for that, meanwhile tires for ice cars existed for centuries. A tire can do so much when its contact patch with surface is only a few cm because it's round, imagine having to control over 1000hp with that amount of space EV tires are also responsible for 25% of microplastics in the oceans.
As far as I am aware, the reason it's that way is because you can't model a fan adding permanent downforce into the system. Essentially the way that downforce works in the games is that you have to be moving to be generating downforce. You could maybe just jack up the mechanical grip so that is basically has like infinite grip but that would affect the carbon other areas as well. TLDR: Assetto Corsa isn't smart enough to know what a fan is and because of that you have to be moving to generate downforce
Yeah i saw that too slowing down way too much in the corners making it seem like it has no downforce at slow speeds which is the opposite of what it actually has and i saw it slipping which is near impossible since it has 2 tons of downforce at all times and more when at faster speeds (downforce mod isn’t accurate at all in this race)
You'd expect to see the little fan car much faster around the slower corners considering it can generate maximum downforce at any speed. Possibly a limitation with AC?
Impressive to see that despite the higher weight and slightly lower power, the Spéirling still manages to stay right behind the F1 car! I think it would be interesting to see a Spéirling spec race series, since they don’t rely as much on wings for downforce they could lead to closer gaps between cars and good battles.
Thats not true. These cars produce far more dirty air than f1 cars, which is the reason they were banned 50 years ago. There are many other challenges like going off track clogging the fans, driving on bumpy circuits will cause sudden loss of downforce, throwing debris onto cars behind, and it will be impossible to race in the wet.
@@askeladden450 the fans also make drafting almost, if not worse than just straight up slicing through the open air. hence why the Brabham BT46B was booed to outlaw. and the fact that a fan can be ran in different ways, either a car has a fan setup similar to the GM T.50, or they bring a setup ripped from a Chaparral 2J.
Can the sim actually simulate true fan assited downforce? or is it replicating it the best it can with mechanical grip? Would be interesting to see if McMurty can get a lap of the monaco circuit during the downtime of an F1 event there, see what it can really do.
Amazing what you can do with no regulations like the Speirling. Now imagine how fast F1 would be without them! This was like a boxer with both arms tied behind their back fighting a bare knuckle boxer and still winning.
@@THEWINDTUNNEL as long as it can get fixed soon, it’s not that it’s too severe of a problem but it’s just confusing and messes with people’s heads a bit
I would love to see them do separate clean-air time trials. The McMurtry is clearly quicker through tight corners and has a faster acceleration, if it didn't have to worry about overtakes I could see it putting together a quicker lap.
Would’ve loved to see what the McMurtry could do at goodwood in a sim. In real life the driver was being extra careful not to crash for obvious reasons. No way was he pushing it as hard as he could.
Come on man, you have such great video ideas. But the AI is so shit on the game, get 2 fast drivers do those laps and change that american accent of the AI😭
This is the most likely scenario with those theoretical lap times. When a race is this close a slight change in a single corner can change the result. The AI voice... It'll improve, but keeping it is a priority.
Since the Goodwood course is basically a low-speed course, the fastest speed record established on that course should be considered with a question mark. In fact, McMurtry cannot win at Monaco because F1 surpasses everything except the good kick out of a standing start. However, in drag racing, he can win because he can get away with a good kick out of a standing start before F1 has a good top speed. However, from the point that the difference between winning and losing with F1 is very slight, it can be said that McMurtry still lacks the absolute value of top speed.
I would expect in clean air that car would set a faster lap time than f1 it's so small it should turn round those tight corners much faster surely and has more low speed downforce because of the fan providing max downforce from a standstill but maybe the mod isn't accurate to real life version
What’s crazy is. In real life when they did an F1 vs Mccurty race. The Mccurty destroying it in a drag race. The simulation isn’t as accurate on the straights.
It would destroy and F1 until it tops out: the lenght of the strip would make all the difference. An F1 is anything but a drag car and there's a difference between acceleration from a standing start and while already miving. I also doubt the Spéirling wouldn't lose more under breaking.
@@THEWINDTUNNEL So nowhere near long enough to compete in an F1 race. like in Formula-E, they would have to swap the entire car during pit stops, and they would get further behind every time because of the extra time needed. And they would need quite a few stops, which would slow them down even more.
0:55 I don't think this sim reflects accurately the McMurtry Speirling's slow corner grip and speed. It has 2,000 kilos of downforce in places the F1 car has almost zero.
Being complete laps comparing the two fastest and the F1 mid fast than the mcmurtry Circuit race F1 wins Drag race mcmurtry wins with little gap laps 0.06 sec
Es bleibt eine Animation. Der Bremspunkt sollte wesentlich früher als beim F1 sein. Das sah mir alles doch sehr unrealistisch aus. Sonst, nettes Programm zum Spielen.
Your testing is flawed as they already dragged race a f1 car vs McMurtry, vs remac and the acceleration was alot more for the McMurtry plus in the drag the car was a few car lengths ahead of the f1
Oh what a surprise...a set of circumstances that lead to the forgone conclusion of a very close finish. Come on guys- I love what you do, but there is no suspense any more.
Tut mir leid,aber das ist doch kein reales Rennen,das ist doch computeranimiert! Ein realer Vergleich wäre echt interessant. Korrigiert mich,wenn ich falsch liege....
Of course, nothing better than the real thing, but that's literally impossible to do. And I'm not talking just about money, F1 cars can't race outside F1. The virtual world is the only place where you can do this.
Again I preach, I am glad McMurtry never made it, it would do us no good to have this stupid technology in motorsports, might aswell put rails on the track and glue the goddam cars to it, and put a rocket engine as well
If the Mcmutry can keep up with a f1, that means it might have a chance against the fantastic 4 (Porsche 919 evo, Red Bull rb19, Mercedes w11 and Ferrari f2004)
It’s not faster than f1, very very fast but not faster than f1. Tires and car are too skinny to take full advantage of the ridiculous amount of downforce
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Do you like the McMurtry Spéirling?
@user-tz4lr8xe4d It was limited because of the Goodwood Hillclimb. They didn't change the top speed again for the Carwow video
Yeah
@user-tz4lr8xe4dIn this video it’s not limited
@@pedroapinto06If that is true (I don't know), when you increase your final speed you will be slower when accelerating, In other words, it would be even slower compared to F1.
@@franciscomiranda9561that obvious duh. You can simulate this in games, like forza with other ev
The fact that it can keep up so well. But you can also see that pure mechanical grip of the F1 car working in its favor
Short wheelbase makes it snappy
If you have enough down force mechanical grip doesn't matter. This is not a good mod imo
@@liviu543 it does matter, aero can only do so much. Because aero is subject to tires performance at the end of a day and tires subject to physics, meaning no matter how much aero you have, you can still loose pressure, overheat tires, start losing mechanical grip etc, which is common for these straight line fast evs as they have lots of instant torque, but are generally heavy and can shred tires fast, so downforce won't help when your car starts understeering naturally
@@01iverQueen all things are subject to physics. Tire degradation due instant torque can be mitigated by more down force. I share your thinking though, tire technology is the limiting factor
@@liviu543 yeah ev tires is a new thing, tire manufacturers confirmed that instant torque during intense acceleration shred them fast, there aren't tech yet for that, meanwhile tires for ice cars existed for centuries. A tire can do so much when its contact patch with surface is only a few cm because it's round, imagine having to control over 1000hp with that amount of space
EV tires are also responsible for 25% of microplastics in the oceans.
The Spéirling looks like a LEGO car next to the F1
love how leclerc went quicker than the theoretical lap time today the new regs are gonna be super quick in 2025
It was close to Hamilton record in 2019
Why he took the slow turns so slowly with a car that does 2 tons of downforce at 0 kmh?
The car only has downforce when is faster and the slower the car is the less downforce it has
@@texlop2 McMurtry has a fan that actively sucks air from underneath and that creates a lot of downforce at all times, even when stationary.
@@jovancurcin3694 ohh i didnt know it had a fan sorry
Literally. I think the McMurtry would be faster.
As far as I am aware, the reason it's that way is because you can't model a fan adding permanent downforce into the system. Essentially the way that downforce works in the games is that you have to be moving to be generating downforce. You could maybe just jack up the mechanical grip so that is basically has like infinite grip but that would affect the carbon other areas as well.
TLDR: Assetto Corsa isn't smart enough to know what a fan is and because of that you have to be moving to generate downforce
Tbh that fan simulation isn’t all too realistic, it just doesn’t make the car faster in the low speed corners.
Yeah i saw that too slowing down way too much in the corners making it seem like it has no downforce at slow speeds which is the opposite of what it actually has and i saw it slipping which is near impossible since it has 2 tons of downforce at all times and more when at faster speeds (downforce mod isn’t accurate at all in this race)
The fact the two of you are the only one telling the truth here saddens me
Came here to mention this. Needs a rematch with better physics
I truly hate the McMurtry and I think that embracing it's technology would kill motorsports, but yes it is faster
Is there a way to simulate fan suction in AC?
You'd expect to see the little fan car much faster around the slower corners considering it can generate maximum downforce at any speed. Possibly a limitation with AC?
It's pretty accurate, you can do a couple tricks with AC to replicate it. Don't think it would beat an F1 car irl.
Impressive to see that despite the higher weight and slightly lower power, the Spéirling still manages to stay right behind the F1 car! I think it would be interesting to see a Spéirling spec race series, since they don’t rely as much on wings for downforce they could lead to closer gaps between cars and good battles.
Can you imagine 20 of those racing around Monaco?
Thats not true. These cars produce far more dirty air than f1 cars, which is the reason they were banned 50 years ago. There are many other challenges like going off track clogging the fans, driving on bumpy circuits will cause sudden loss of downforce, throwing debris onto cars behind, and it will be impossible to race in the wet.
@@askeladden450 the fans also make drafting almost, if not worse than just straight up slicing through the open air. hence why the Brabham BT46B was booed to outlaw.
and the fact that a fan can be ran in different ways, either a car has a fan setup similar to the GM T.50, or they bring a setup ripped from a Chaparral 2J.
This is fkn cartoon, bro. It's not real.
The torque curve differs significantly + more downforce
The Spéirling looks like it was designed in Auto-cad using a 4:3 screen with a 16:9 format.
Designer just accidentally scaled the Y axis to 0.7 of the original size
Broo managed to predict pole position in Monaco
McMurty would've made into Q2 with that laptime
Can the sim actually simulate true fan assited downforce? or is it replicating it the best it can with mechanical grip? Would be interesting to see if McMurty can get a lap of the monaco circuit during the downtime of an F1 event there, see what it can really do.
I think it’s just pumped up mechanical grip because asseto corsa isn’t advanced enough for the fans to work, maybe with AC2
It can actually be simulated!
Amazing what you can do with no regulations like the Speirling. Now imagine how fast F1 would be without them! This was like a boxer with both arms tied behind their back fighting a bare knuckle boxer and still winning.
Everyone is amaze about the fact that the Spéirling can keep up. I'm mostly amazed about the fact that the F1 win the race
W Idea:
Can-AM multi lap race around chicaneless la sarthe? i think it would be fun to see a 2J flying down the straight along side a Toyota 7.
The Spéirling deserves its own motorsport series.
why does it say the f1 car is 334 mph?! i swear, sometimes i feel like the stats on all of the wind tunnel's videos are messed up and goes unnoticed
Maybe they meant 334 kph
American moment
Can't tell why this is happening, but it ´ll be fixed in the next copule weeks, we are testing some stuff. Sorry!
@@THEWINDTUNNEL as long as it can get fixed soon, it’s not that it’s too severe of a problem but it’s just confusing and messes with people’s heads a bit
@@MrBarniculusBaboonicalshire Could't agree more
If only F1 cars were the size of the Speirling, maybe we'd get some actual racing at Monaco instead of 78 parade laps.
Let them race in Monaco with this Car!
I would love to see them do separate clean-air time trials. The McMurtry is clearly quicker through tight corners and has a faster acceleration, if it didn't have to worry about overtakes I could see it putting together a quicker lap.
Woww .. Monaco smooth surface. McMurtry will turn upsiide down when it race on real Monaco GP
Is this the Spéirling that was speed limited to 150MPH, or the 190 of the new Pure model?
This one's the Pure version
Would’ve loved to see what the McMurtry could do at goodwood in a sim. In real life the driver was being extra careful not to crash for obvious reasons. No way was he pushing it as hard as he could.
After the Carwow drag race results, I doubt the F1 car would leave the McMurtry behind on a straight that easily, or at all.
Crank the downforce fan up and go again. The McMurty should win every time.
This reminded me a lot to Cars 2😊
Have you ever considered doing alone laps and comparing data? Because this faceoff is really interesting and deserves to be studued a bit i feel like
Now this is the size f1 cars should be.
The tiny Mcmurtry : I can't even overtake because of this fat F1 car
LAter... you almsot got me there Ferrari
The McMurtry looks sluggish and seems to be having trouble with rotation despit its wheelbase but thats just because the f1 car is that incredible
Come on man, you have such great video ideas. But the AI is so shit on the game, get 2 fast drivers do those laps and change that american accent of the AI😭
ifkr!? like the F1 car was way too slow on the swimming pool chicane for example, which helped the mcmarty catch up
This is the most likely scenario with those theoretical lap times. When a race is this close a slight change in a single corner can change the result. The AI voice... It'll improve, but keeping it is a priority.
A comparison side by side would have been more realistic (both on their best lap)
In situations like this, it would be more interesting for you to show two individual qualifying laps instead
P.S. 360km/h is 224mph and not 334mph
Here's proof WEC can run in Monaco
Since the Goodwood course is basically a low-speed course, the fastest speed record established on that course should be considered with a question mark. In fact, McMurtry cannot win at Monaco because F1 surpasses everything except the good kick out of a standing start. However, in drag racing, he can win because he can get away with a good kick out of a standing start before F1 has a good top speed. However, from the point that the difference between winning and losing with F1 is very slight, it can be said that McMurtry still lacks the absolute value of top speed.
What mod did you use for the fan car? In slow corner it should've done way better
Sperling would obliterate F1 on one lap actually.
This sim is incorrect, plus the newest Sperling spec is a LOT quicker than the shown one
would have been nice to see a second race in wich the speirling starts on pole to see if it could keep the f1 car behind
Bro predicted Pole Position
The Spéirling is insane! Imagine that much downforce on a modern F1 car.
What will happen if the McMurtry start from the pole spot instead of 2nd place. That could turn the outcome around.
I would expect in clean air that car would set a faster lap time than f1 it's so small it should turn round those tight corners much faster surely and has more low speed downforce because of the fan providing max downforce from a standstill but maybe the mod isn't accurate to real life version
Not quite, the theoretical qualy times are clean air lap times
@THEWINDTUNNEL Then this mod isn't accurate surely it should be faster
What if you took identical Chatham 7's, and have all this year's drivers line up and did a sim at Monaco ?
Just an idea, but could you do a sim of F1 at lemans? Thx
What’s crazy is. In real life when they did an F1 vs Mccurty race. The Mccurty destroying it in a drag race. The simulation isn’t as accurate on the straights.
It would destroy and F1 until it tops out: the lenght of the strip would make all the difference. An F1 is anything but a drag car and there's a difference between acceleration from a standing start and while already miving. I also doubt the Spéirling wouldn't lose more under breaking.
So, how many laps would it be able to do before running out of juice or overheat the battery pack because of the power drain...?
In theory around 30 minutes but at GT4 pace. That's quite a bit slower.
@@THEWINDTUNNEL So nowhere near long enough to compete in an F1 race.
like in Formula-E, they would have to swap the entire car during pit stops, and they would get further behind every time because of the extra time needed. And they would need quite a few stops, which would slow them down even more.
Interesting. And how many laps can the Sperling do before it runs out of charge?
Not many at this pace. 10-15 I would say
Big thing I noticed was brakes, nothing can out brake an f1 car
This was the right video
the real test should be the real answer.
Is the Speirling on full downforce mode?
0:55 I don't think this sim reflects accurately the McMurtry Speirling's slow corner grip and speed. It has 2,000 kilos of downforce in places the F1 car has almost zero.
What if Monaco was twice as longer, wider and steeper?
Very well done
Sperling in this sim I am thinking could have been faster.
What do you mean that car is faster than, has, sauber and williams
I want that Monaco map pls..
what is the name of the game please answer?
Assetto Corsa
0:36 how the hell does car produce 2 tons of downforce at 0 km/h?
With 2 fans at the back of the car that literally push the car into the ground
It's actually 4tons of downforce
Did the AI try to miss every apex in the F1 car or what? That’s the worst lap of Monaco I think I’ve ever seen.
Being complete laps comparing the two fastest and the F1 mid fast than the mcmurtry
Circuit race F1 wins
Drag race mcmurtry wins with little gap laps 0.06 sec
Monaco GP is 78 laps…
Es bleibt eine Animation. Der Bremspunkt sollte wesentlich früher als beim F1 sein. Das sah mir alles doch sehr unrealistisch aus. Sonst, nettes Programm zum Spielen.
Your testing is flawed as they already dragged race a f1 car vs McMurtry, vs remac and the acceleration was alot more for the McMurtry plus in the drag the car was a few car lengths ahead of the f1
What is the name of this game please?
Assetto Corsa (PC)
The top speed is the problem
Oh what a surprise...a set of circumstances that lead to the forgone conclusion of a very close finish. Come on guys- I love what you do, but there is no suspense any more.
Faster than the Haas 😅
F1 car was driven so badly even a fiat panda could beat it... cmon
The F1 car won because it had pole in Monaco.......
McMurtry looks like a toy.
Imagine a formula 1 at Goodwood…
There is a video on it
There literally was and it had the world record for a while.
Tut mir leid,aber das ist doch kein reales Rennen,das ist doch computeranimiert! Ein realer Vergleich wäre echt interessant.
Korrigiert mich,wenn ich falsch liege....
Of course, nothing better than the real thing, but that's literally impossible to do. And I'm not talking just about money, F1 cars can't race outside F1. The virtual world is the only place where you can do this.
this is PURE bullsh1t
Ummmm ...its a game.
Again I preach, I am glad McMurtry never made it, it would do us no good to have this stupid technology in motorsports, might aswell put rails on the track and glue the goddam cars to it, and put a rocket engine as well
The Mc would have won this race by a least a second and a half. Your AI needs work.
Totally wrong to compare.
McMurtry is much faster than an F1 in drag racing
F1 is slower than f2 at monaco
No.😊
If the Mcmutry can keep up with a f1, that means it might have a chance against the fantastic 4 (Porsche 919 evo, Red Bull rb19, Mercedes w11 and Ferrari f2004)
no, not real McMurtry is faster than all F1
It’s not faster than f1, very very fast but not faster than f1. Tires and car are too skinny to take full advantage of the ridiculous amount of downforce
It is not Even faster than the F2004
@@Formulaaaaaaaa5In Monaco I’m sure it would be faster or the gap would be small.
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F1 loosers
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