0:13 Formula 1 [1975] 254 262 209 226 -25.36% -12.39% 0:33 Formula 1 [1979] 237 242 231 234 -04.76% -01.28% 0:53 CART [1999] 300 309 303 308 -01.98% 02.60% 1:09 Indycar [2008] 265 274 268 271 -02.24% 02.21% 1:27 GP2 [2008] 283 290 284 287 -02.11% 01.39% 1:44 Formula Renult 3.5 [2014] 277 285 280 283 -01.79% 02.12% 2:01 FIA Formula 3 [2012] 217 225 218 221 -03.21% 01.81% 2:22 GP3 [2015] 250 263 260 265 -01.15% 05.66% 2:40 Grand Prix [1927] 181 183 123 137 -48.78% -32.12% 3:11 Can-Am [1970] 268 272 189 214 -43.92% -25.23% 3:32 Group C [1990] 262 269 237 253 -13.50% -03.56% 3:53 IMSA WSC [1975] 259 266 237 251 -12.24% -03.19% 4:12 LMP900 [2002] 263 274 266 273 -03.01% 03.66% 4:30 LMP1 289 294 282 284 -04.26% -01.76% 4:46 LMPC [2009] 246 253 244 246 -03.69% 00.00% 5:05 Prototype 5000 [1966] 232 233 163 173 -42.94% -34.10% 5:28 GT1 [2004] 239 247 235 237 -05.11% -00.84% 5:48 GT2 [2008] 226 235 227 229 -03.52% 01.31% 6:09 GT500 [2006] 229 238 231 234 -03.03% 02.14% 6:29 IMSA GTO [1989] 254 264 223 236 -18.39% -07.63% 6:48 NASCAR Cup [2000] 245 251 173 191 -45.09% -28.27% 7:10 ATCC [1996] 243 248 180 186 -37.78% -30.65% 7:32 Trans-Am [1975] 221 226 145 161 -55.86% -37.27% 7:57 DTM [1996] 219 226 183 193 -23.50% -13.47% 8:20 DTM [2018] 238 244 236 238 -03.39% 00.00% 8:39 Super Touring [1999] 217 226 206 212 -09.71% -02.36% 9:01 Super 2000 [2007] 205 213 200 204 -06.50% -00.49% 9:24 TC1 231 244 240 245 -01.67% 05.71% 9:44 BSCC [1964] 178 183 148 156 -23.65% -14.10% 10:11 Group B [1984] 241 246 173 197 -42.20% -22.34% 10:33 WRC [2004] 205 205 188 190 -09.04% -07.89% Speed Trap 1 - Asphalt change before Eau Rouge: A decent indicator of acceleration differences between the series since every car makes it to this point without breaking and the preceding La Source corner is a very slow hairpin corner relying on mechanical grip. Speed Trap 2 - Not an exact point on the track, just the highest speed achieved throughout the complex: Most cars hit their top speed on the small downhill just after the Eau Rouge apex/just before turning right for turn 3. Speed Trap 3 - Not an exact point on the track, just the minimum speed maintained throughout the complex: Most cars hit their minimum speed between the apex of turn 3 and the apex of Raidillon. This is perhaps the most significant indicator of the differences between each series because it’s the result of every performance aspect of the cars. The cars’ acceleration, achieved approach speed, and power to weight ratio help prevent speed loss due to the steep elevation gain, and the cars’ mechanical and aero grip helps prevent speed loss through the turns. Speed Trap 4 - Asphalt change after Raidillon: Tracking the exit speed difference between the cars. % Column 1 - Speed loss between speed trap 2 and 3: Easy to see that cars with a high power/weight ratio and a lot of grip don’t lose much of their speed. % Column 2 - Speed loss/gain between speed trap 1 and 4: Interesting to see that some cars gain speed overall thought from the beginning through the end of the complex (as I’ve defined it).
You can definitely take it flat out with 787b. It's either lack of skill (no insult here) or he didn't have the right setup for the mazda (wich i guess was the case, because if i remember right, you can't take it flat with the basic setup. Same goes for the 962c short tail) But i appreciate the effort he has put in the video and making a perfect setup for every car just to take eau rouge flat for the video would have taken ages.
@@EvrytForReal i didn't ever take it flat with Mercedes. Basically just because when you drive it on 100% boost it has so much power that you get too fast before eau rouge to take it flat. Mercedes C9 is the hardest to drive, but the fastest if you can drive it. Is it reliable? Not really if you drive it with 100% boost and damage. On stock boost it might even be slower than the Porsche. Porsche 962c is the easiest to drive fast with. Mazda 787b slower than the the others but with many work on the setup you can easily compete with the others. (The things i've mentioned are only for spa, things may vary in terms of different tracks and if driven by multiple drivers of course) For me personally the 962c short tail is the fastest, at least i've driven my fastest laps with it. Can take 3 corners flat with the Porsche.
We've been de-sensitised to it. If you actually go there and stand on the track you'd be scratching your head and wondering how any car could possibly take it flat. The corner is so much sharper than it feels in an F1 car for example.
This guy can't set up cars lol. Basically every car after like 1986 should be able to take modern Eau Rouge flat. But do remember that they changed Eau Rouge in 1995 to make it much easier to take flat
@@R9naldo considering most modern gt3 cars have to lift on it I wouldn’t say that, running a lot of downforce just to make that 1 corner flat would compromise the rest of the lap too much
Now, comparing Earnhardt's car to Lagano's car in the other video, seems that the next-gen car's more refined compared to the early 2000s Nascar car, Inspite the power difference between the two. Great video by the way👍
I'm most surprised that the Mini didn't take the corner flat out, even with those little skinny tires. It makes me think that a car with minimal power, such as a Citroen 2CV or even better, an Isetta, would take it flat out and have bragging rights up there with those legendary racers. And very cool seeing Dale Earnhardt's NASCAR ride, even if only in a simulation. RIP Dale, and RIP Ken Block, who would have blasted through Eau Rouge balls out sideways. Two who are missed.
The powers wrong on the 2000 stockcar they made less from reports of teams 800+ HP wasnt actually used in a race application until 2008 or 2009 they would be realistic running between 650-700 HP but otherwise I would say handling seems about correct they loved to dance around on high speed corners and where cumbersome in low speed
@@praoter What, the hybrids are literally called Le mans prototype. Have you seen Le mans? It's straight lines with a few chicanes. The reason old racecars can keep up with their newer counterparts is because of regulations. Smaller engines, more tight fuel flow restrictions and other factors limit the new cars a lot. See how fast the 919 Evo is now without the WEC regulations
@@THEWINDTUNNEL Posted the numbers in a fresh. I did it a little differently this time. Speed loss percentage is more accurate as I'm using the actual highest speed and lowest speed through the complex. Also, I am calculating the speed loss percentage in a more correct) way -> (1 - (highest speed/lowest speed)). I'll go back and update my comment on the other video to match this format sometime soon.
already at the first car i was disappointed xD should have let them go flat out so we could watch them fail instead of slowing down xD i mean sure it does not look like they could have made it without breaking but how do we know without seeing it for our self xD
You can *Definitely* take the Eau Rouge flat out with 787B, you just used the wrong tires(maybe) and setup. And that GT2 Corvette is like a wet fart(almost shitted)
For group C I would of used a C1 car instead of C2, for instance C9 or XJR-9 instead of the 787, much more representative of the heart of Group C. But that 787 can go flat out for sure.
I wonder if that 787B was set up wrong, ANY group C should be able to take that corner flat out, they ran a lot more downforce than modern prototypes. Was impressed that the MC12 and C6R were able to do it flat
No one gonna mention that the difficult uphill right hand corner is actually raidillon and not eau rouge? Eau rouge is only the left hand kink at the bottom of the hill!
I promise this is as fast as you can take the corner with this setup and track conditions. I won't lift in the next video, many of you have asked for this and I think it could be more entertaining.
If you want to test which ones can take it flat out, why would you ever lift? Pretty dumb. I want to see how bad the loss of control is if it really was not able to do 100% throttle the whole way
Pretty sure that was the first ground effect era and with the mobile sideskirts sealing the underfloor, they produce some incredible downforce. Not to mention the power was still fairly manageable back then since N/A enginee still ruled.
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0:13 Formula 1 [1975] 254 262 209 226 -25.36% -12.39%
0:33 Formula 1 [1979] 237 242 231 234 -04.76% -01.28%
0:53 CART [1999] 300 309 303 308 -01.98% 02.60%
1:09 Indycar [2008] 265 274 268 271 -02.24% 02.21%
1:27 GP2 [2008] 283 290 284 287 -02.11% 01.39%
1:44 Formula Renult 3.5 [2014] 277 285 280 283 -01.79% 02.12%
2:01 FIA Formula 3 [2012] 217 225 218 221 -03.21% 01.81%
2:22 GP3 [2015] 250 263 260 265 -01.15% 05.66%
2:40 Grand Prix [1927] 181 183 123 137 -48.78% -32.12%
3:11 Can-Am [1970] 268 272 189 214 -43.92% -25.23%
3:32 Group C [1990] 262 269 237 253 -13.50% -03.56%
3:53 IMSA WSC [1975] 259 266 237 251 -12.24% -03.19%
4:12 LMP900 [2002] 263 274 266 273 -03.01% 03.66%
4:30 LMP1 289 294 282 284 -04.26% -01.76%
4:46 LMPC [2009] 246 253 244 246 -03.69% 00.00%
5:05 Prototype 5000 [1966] 232 233 163 173 -42.94% -34.10%
5:28 GT1 [2004] 239 247 235 237 -05.11% -00.84%
5:48 GT2 [2008] 226 235 227 229 -03.52% 01.31%
6:09 GT500 [2006] 229 238 231 234 -03.03% 02.14%
6:29 IMSA GTO [1989] 254 264 223 236 -18.39% -07.63%
6:48 NASCAR Cup [2000] 245 251 173 191 -45.09% -28.27%
7:10 ATCC [1996] 243 248 180 186 -37.78% -30.65%
7:32 Trans-Am [1975] 221 226 145 161 -55.86% -37.27%
7:57 DTM [1996] 219 226 183 193 -23.50% -13.47%
8:20 DTM [2018] 238 244 236 238 -03.39% 00.00%
8:39 Super Touring [1999] 217 226 206 212 -09.71% -02.36%
9:01 Super 2000 [2007] 205 213 200 204 -06.50% -00.49%
9:24 TC1 231 244 240 245 -01.67% 05.71%
9:44 BSCC [1964] 178 183 148 156 -23.65% -14.10%
10:11 Group B [1984] 241 246 173 197 -42.20% -22.34%
10:33 WRC [2004] 205 205 188 190 -09.04% -07.89%
Speed Trap 1 - Asphalt change before Eau Rouge: A decent indicator of acceleration differences between the series since every car makes it to this point without breaking and the preceding La Source corner is a very slow hairpin corner relying on mechanical grip.
Speed Trap 2 - Not an exact point on the track, just the highest speed achieved throughout the complex: Most cars hit their top speed on the small downhill just after the Eau Rouge apex/just before turning right for turn 3.
Speed Trap 3 - Not an exact point on the track, just the minimum speed maintained throughout the complex: Most cars hit their minimum speed between the apex of turn 3 and the apex of Raidillon. This is perhaps the most significant indicator of the differences between each series because it’s the result of every performance aspect of the cars. The cars’ acceleration, achieved approach speed, and power to weight ratio help prevent speed loss due to the steep elevation gain, and the cars’ mechanical and aero grip helps prevent speed loss through the turns.
Speed Trap 4 - Asphalt change after Raidillon: Tracking the exit speed difference between the cars.
% Column 1 - Speed loss between speed trap 2 and 3: Easy to see that cars with a high power/weight ratio and a lot of grip don’t lose much of their speed.
% Column 2 - Speed loss/gain between speed trap 1 and 4: Interesting to see that some cars gain speed overall thought from the beginning through the end of the complex (as I’ve defined it).
I miraculously saw your comment in the spam box. Thank god. What can I say man unbelievable job as always. Thank you SO SO much!
@@THEWINDTUNNEL Thanks, lol I'm just a big nerd. I have a nice little Eau Rouge spreadsheet now.
Awesome comment
I have no bloody idea what the heck this means
great work
Anything can go flat out, just depends on if you want to make the turn or not
4:30 The fact that a Porsche 919 is now considered an old racing car kind of hurts
Same here. What about the DTM? :(
Damn CART from 99 is faster than Indycar from 08
The 08 Indycars were naturally aspirated, the 99 Cart cars were turbo-charged
@@orbiter277 Also, how much downforce did the '08 Indycars have?
Late 90s/Early 00s CART is so slept on. A golden age of racing, for sure.
I’m sure the safety concerns in later years probably had a say in that.
@@zedramer I am grateful that I was able to catch the last two good years of C.A.R.T. 2000-2001.
Announcer: I can’t believe the Intimidator is back! Dale Earnhardt Sr. Wins at Spa! (May the #3 driver rest in peace)
That all black livery is sure to intimidate you
Yeah that was cool too see
Glad to see that some use the 2008 gp2 car of the Spanish team Racing Engineering who won the 2008 & 2013 WDC with Pantano and Leimer
_I'm quite disappointed that the _*_Mazda 787B_*_ couldn't take it flat out._
You can definitely take it flat out with 787b.
It's either lack of skill (no insult here) or he didn't have the right setup for the mazda (wich i guess was the case, because if i remember right, you can't take it flat with the basic setup. Same goes for the 962c short tail)
But i appreciate the effort he has put in the video and making a perfect setup for every car just to take eau rouge flat for the video would have taken ages.
Wasnt the Mercedes better but with less reliable? If so then maybe it can take it flat out
@@EvrytForReal i didn't ever take it flat with Mercedes.
Basically just because when you drive it on 100% boost it has so much power that you get too fast before eau rouge to take it flat.
Mercedes C9 is the hardest to drive, but the fastest if you can drive it. Is it reliable? Not really if you drive it with 100% boost and damage.
On stock boost it might even be slower than the Porsche.
Porsche 962c is the easiest to drive fast with.
Mazda 787b slower than the the others but with many work on the setup you can easily compete with the others.
(The things i've mentioned are only for spa, things may vary in terms of different tracks and if driven by multiple drivers of course)
For me personally the 962c short tail is the fastest, at least i've driven my fastest laps with it.
Can take 3 corners flat with the Porsche.
I think its possible with the more aero cars like the Jag xjr 14, Peugeot 905 etc
@@Villeneuve509 can't tell because i've just driven the vanilla group c cars 💁♂️ but i guess so
NASCAR may be outperformed on a track it wasn't meant to race on, but gosh dang it sounds sooo good, and seeing that black 3 livery... I love it man
weird how pretty much so little cars back then could take it flat, i was expecting more to
Grip technology wasn't that great back then, I guess.
We've been de-sensitised to it. If you actually go there and stand on the track you'd be scratching your head and wondering how any car could possibly take it flat. The corner is so much sharper than it feels in an F1 car for example.
This guy can't set up cars lol. Basically every car after like 1986 should be able to take modern Eau Rouge flat. But do remember that they changed Eau Rouge in 1995 to make it much easier to take flat
@@R9naldo considering most modern gt3 cars have to lift on it I wouldn’t say that, running a lot of downforce just to make that 1 corner flat would compromise the rest of the lap too much
why you blurred the year in the IMSA??
edit:and the LMP1
I was hoping he was going for the gusto, all or none and not let off even it wasn't going to make it. Would be more entertaining for sure.
Absolutely. Prove that it can't by going off the road. It's a Sim, you can do that.
1:16 its amazing watching the IR 05 doing that turn so fast, actually every Indycar can do that turn so fast, even the moderns can do it
Now, comparing Earnhardt's car to Lagano's car in the other video, seems that the next-gen car's more refined compared to the early 2000s Nascar car, Inspite the power difference between the two.
Great video by the way👍
Yeah nascars until the gen 7 (next gen) were very crude in many’s aspects outside of power. The new cars are more like a modern gt3 race car.
The cars that couldn’t do it last time literally are just like “You could not live with your failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me.”
I'm most surprised that the Mini didn't take the corner flat out, even with those little skinny tires. It makes me think that a car with minimal power, such as a Citroen 2CV or even better, an Isetta, would take it flat out and have bragging rights up there with those legendary racers. And very cool seeing Dale Earnhardt's NASCAR ride, even if only in a simulation. RIP Dale, and RIP Ken Block, who would have blasted through Eau Rouge balls out sideways. Two who are missed.
Was awesome to see the ATCC commodore! Would love to see more cars from that era!
The powers wrong on the 2000 stockcar they made less from reports of teams 800+ HP wasnt actually used in a race application until 2008 or 2009 they would be realistic running between 650-700 HP but otherwise I would say handling seems about correct they loved to dance around on high speed corners and where cumbersome in low speed
I think the 787b, the AR DTM and the cooper could make it, they slowed down to correct instability, but were well on the way to make it.
What´s your favourite era in racing?
F1 1989-1994
Seems like 1975 was a good year, with LMP1, TC1, and those IMSA prototypes ;)
Group C in the late 80s!
@@timsmith618 😬
CART 90's
These videos are widely entertaining
Thank you SO much :)
Mostly anything made in or past the 2000s would go through flat, with a few exceptions
i wonder how modern and old cars would do in a big Lap Record List on the Whole Spa Course
It's amazing that the Mazda 787b can beat modern day prototype hybrids in a straight line
Its really not, cars are now built for corners
@@praoter What, the hybrids are literally called Le mans prototype. Have you seen Le mans? It's straight lines with a few chicanes. The reason old racecars can keep up with their newer counterparts is because of regulations. Smaller engines, more tight fuel flow restrictions and other factors limit the new cars a lot. See how fast the 919 Evo is now without the WEC regulations
The Benz Patent Motorwagon could probably take it flat out... with all 2/3 of a horsepower it has
The sweet sound of that 787b ☺️
To be specific, back then, the GT1 cars had the maximum output of 680hp and the maximum weight of 1100kg (2550 pounds)
LMP1 was definitely non existent in 1975, editing mistake maybe?
Fixing it :)
@@THEWINDTUNNEL also TC1 was not in 1975
Would've been nice to see the Sauber C9 Mercedes
Adding the weight would've been a nice addition, cool video nonetheless
I wonder how the new Gen 7 cup car would fair with IRS and 5 speed transaxle up those turns
Damn my favorite le mans car,nascar driver car,and a rally car in this video too thanks dude
Thanks for watching :)
6:09 is that a Supra?! 😂
Why did you have to blur some of the car years out?
The 1927 Grand Prix was ready to die
Working on the calculations. I'm capturing even more data than last time. Will have it up by EOD.
You're scaring me😂
@@THEWINDTUNNEL Posted the numbers in a fresh. I did it a little differently this time. Speed loss percentage is more accurate as I'm using the actual highest speed and lowest speed through the complex. Also, I am calculating the speed loss percentage in a more correct) way -> (1 - (highest speed/lowest speed)).
I'll go back and update my comment on the other video to match this format sometime soon.
There goes Earnhardt.
Dude, you could just send it, no brakes and if you crash, you crash
If either of the Quattros tried taking it full throttle it would've flown into the sun.
Soon it will be "who can flat-out Pouhon?"
Pouhon, Copse, 130R... there's a few very interesting corners...
The cart is a monster
already at the first car i was disappointed xD should have let them go flat out so we could watch them fail instead of slowing down xD
i mean sure it does not look like they could have made it without breaking but how do we know without seeing it for our self xD
Outro Song? Nice Video btw, didnt expect the Subaru WRC Car to not make it flatout. 😅
ONLAP - Everywhere I Go
@@THEWINDTUNNEL Thanks mate 😄
You can *Definitely* take the Eau Rouge flat out with 787B, you just used the wrong tires(maybe) and setup.
And that GT2 Corvette is like a wet fart(almost shitted)
01:28 “GP2! GP2! Aarrrghhh!”
- Some random Spaniard
Modern Eau Rouge is a very easy corner. Before 2000s it was a very challenging corner.
Part of that was the cars!
that tc1 Honda looks awesome.
The 1975 rarri sounds like THX dvd’s in the early 2000s
For group C I would of used a C1 car instead of C2, for instance C9 or XJR-9 instead of the 787, much more representative of the heart of Group C. But that 787 can go flat out for sure.
Like!
But, where is Pikes Peak cars? Suzuki Escudo, Toyota Tacoma and other...
Drag Racing cars?
That Chaparral Camaro Trans Am car is 1970 model, not 1976.
And the 1975 cars looked radically different.
Hi can you pls do the Tyrrell p34
That's radillion actually
L'Radillon de l'eau rouge
Come on guys, lets get this video to 150k views!
I can flat out barefoot without driving but I might run out of stamina
So basically, Racecar go BRRRR. 😛
Cart and f1 79 sounded good n point
Tame whem you've raced the classic track in an LMP
3:17
Should’ve used the Shadow DN2 for shits and gigs
4:03 why is the year blurred out?
6:08
ayo, is that a Supra?
I would've preferred seeing them spin up the hill to prove the point, hearing that mean downshift suffices.
My 2CV can take that flat out.
can we get the links to the car mods in the video? i've been looking everywhere for some more cars
I wonder if that 787B was set up wrong, ANY group C should be able to take that corner flat out, they ran a lot more downforce than modern prototypes. Was impressed that the MC12 and C6R were able to do it flat
Group C cars don't have more downforce that modern prototypes. An LMP1 is 5-9 seconds faster than a Group C car
Dale Earnhardt Sr. would be able to take Eau Rouge flat out.
I saw Dales car, so I click
No one gonna mention that the difficult uphill right hand corner is actually raidillon and not eau rouge? Eau rouge is only the left hand kink at the bottom of the hill!
you could include a run each in which you try taking it flat out but crash or run wide
📝
Of course the Subaru would go flat out.
It inherited McRae genes.
3:53 that's the Ferrari 333 from 1994ish or something like that, definitely not 1975 ;)
But, its blurred
Why is it even blurred?
@@protalukoriginal4560 cuz it was a mistake and the author blurred it after the video upload
Why are a couple of the years blurred out?
Because they were wrong😅
THEY NAMED A CURVE AFTER ME
I've never NOT taken Eau Rouge flat out on a Group C car. You just need a better line.
A ford model t could take that flat out. Totally puts modern cars to shame
Same video but with road cars??
🤔
Would be cool.
Why some of the years were blurred?
Editing mistake
Why were some years not shown? It's just a number
All a question of downforce. If a car has enough downforce it should do it easy.
The indycar 2008 actually has the same hp with the 2010 peugot HDI FAP
5:05 that is from 1968/69. Not 66. 66 was the mk IV, that is a mk I.
Its raidillon actually
Damn, you beat me to it.
Why is IMSA WSC's year censored?
My favorite is the 787b
Can u test the sauber c11 with any of these
Can you do one where you’re not lifting? Some of the cars I feel maybe could’ve made the corner flat
I promise this is as fast as you can take the corner with this setup and track conditions. I won't lift in the next video, many of you have asked for this and I think it could be more entertaining.
@@THEWINDTUNNEL we wanna see chaos! Lmaoooo
"flat out", rolls off throttle in the first car
if these were AI controlled, next time try driving them yourself some of them might be able to go flat
I drove all cars in this video
@@THEWINDTUNNEL he was insulting you i guess
you made this video wrong you need to pin it at full throttle on every car and see who goes off track
Eau Rouge yet why are you showing & testing other turns ? You know Eau Rouge is only the left turn at the bottom right?
3:34 Actually, thats a Ferrari 333 SP
Radillon!
If you want to test which ones can take it flat out, why would you ever lift? Pretty dumb. I want to see how bad the loss of control is if it really was not able to do 100% throttle the whole way
Wrc 04 can if your Colin McRae
DTM 2019-2020? these cars have 600cv
Actually it's named URRUJ
But the hp of the 787B is wrong it’s 690
Go team BB Bear 🎉❤
I'm not convinced a 1979 F1 car could take it flat
Pretty sure that was the first ground effect era and with the mobile sideskirts sealing the underfloor, they produce some incredible downforce. Not to mention the power was still fairly manageable back then since N/A enginee still ruled.
The cars were literally too fast for their time, they had to make regulations to purposefully slow them down
@@virgilthemob1242 yeah fair. I struggle to wrap my head around the fact a 44 year old car could take Eau Rouge flat haha
So you don't wanna share the year of the WSC and TC1 cars??? Alright, keep your secrets then😏😏😏
Editing mistake. The years were rather wrong...😬
@@THEWINDTUNNEL no worries mate!
I am glad that a JGTC Supra participated and took it flat out (and yes I am a Supra fanboy)
Any JGTC / Super GT race car can take it flat out, i believe. And they are coolest looking too, before the DTM regulations came in