Jim Cornette on Randy Orton's Career
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- From Episode 231 of Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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Orton's real life character arc is also noteworthy, from a kid with entitlement and a mean streak to one of the nicest guys on the roster
I feel like I watched him become a man on my television screen
Great things happen when you grow up.
I suppose he's matured and behaves like a normal human now.
I miss bag shitter Orton
it is like the Shawn Michaels turn around. Randy Orton had an injury in 2015. he took 11 months off. he got married to his wife. he isn't even like the same person.
Orton's standing drop kick is indeed one of the best in the business with Okada's a very close second.
When Orton is interested and invested in what he is doing then he is among the best performers that you will find. He is so smooth and his work is fantastic.
Facts
He definitely used to phone it in a lot lol
@@btmz1753 You're not wrong. OP hit it on the head; WHEN Orton is interested and invested. Sometimes that didn't happen and Randy wouldn't even phone in his match, he'd send it by telegram.
But also, when he wants to be, he is absolutely excellent.
Perfectly describe
You can tell how much fun he's having with Riddle and when they do eventually break up and have the match is going to be a great match because both of those guys can really go in the ring and Orton is going to want to make riddle a superstar which I think if Riddle goes over that's going to make him that much more of a star.
Randy's been constantly at a main event level and done every possible feud or angle humanly possible with any wrestler WWE had for 20 years. He also has one of, if not the best finishing moves ever (because a Diamond Cutter/Ace Crusher/RKO done right is just insane), and the "Outta Nowhere" meme is fantastic.
Orton is one of the best they've ever had, and one of their best still to this day. Booking be damned if you want, but WWE don't just let anyone be THAT good THAT long without a performer being up to par. He had many stupid issues 10-15 years ago, but has fought that off to be WWE's go-to performer.
Randy is a meme.
and he's still part of the most interesting storyline on raw
@@hrishik_1503 the one where he is partners with riddle or the one where he got beat up by Alexa Bliss? Grow up child
@@jeffreyklima7612 of course the former, the bliss storyline hurts my insides
@The Great Awakening!!! I agree with them working with anyone, but Randy is 6'5" and 250 lbs while Kurt is 6' and 220 lbs. Good difference in their sizes.
Mick Foley deserves a lot of credit for getting Orton over in 2003-4
'Taker too
Mick Foley really helped Rock (1999), Austin (1998), Undertaker (1998), Triple H (1999-2000), Edge (2006) and Orton (2004)
His Backlash match against Mick was amazing
Randy Orton has been the one constant in WWE for the past 20 years. Big ups to him
true statement. a rare feat indeed.
And he'll be going till he's 50 if he's healthy enough.
Not consistent as far as Heel and Face turn goes...
A bland 20 years at that. Ha.
Congratulations on his 20 years of being an independent contractor
The viper is literally one of the best heels in our generation.. He probably would've been great at anytime, he deserves the flowers he gets. 💐 Also; one of the only Champs in the modern day that made the belt feel important
How many times have we all heard the legends say 'If you could build a superstar from the ground up he'd look like Randy Orton'
I always thought his slow, methodical viper character was our generation's version of Jake the Snake. He was more cerebral, rather than bombastic and over the top. Nothing wrong with that in a company of cartoon characters and superheroes.
Ugh jake the snake was trash.. At his peak never cared. Randy matured
@@tacotom3492 I can't argue against that. I'm sure the real people themselves are miles apart in real life.
Randy definetly looked after himself more, took his game to the next level and went on to have the better career but I was comparing the character themselves.
Jake the Snakes greatest strength was his psychology on the mic and in the ring and he certainly wasn't trash in his first WWF run (The rest of his career is debatable 😂 )
Regarding Jake not caring - We all know he was troubled with demons. He liked his crack cocaine more than the next guy and wasn't a nice a person but you can't deny the influence he had on the business. His promos are absolutely legendary 🔥
This question is what happens when people base their opinions on what they read online instead of actually watching the show. Orton reminds me of Randy Moss: Yes there are times when you can question his effort and dedication, but when he is on point and focused he is absolutely untouchable in every aspect of the business
except drawing eyes. Randy is just there. Mid - upper card guy who just can't draw eyes or reactions.
@@steveolie985 Orton is boring and has mailed it in for years.
@@steveolie985 cant draw reactions? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
>This question is what happens when people base their opinions on what they read online instead of actually watching the show
Thnak you! There is way too much of this, a lot of it are the AEW bandwagoners who don't watch anything and get all of their opinions from fuckin Reddit, of all places 🙄
@@steveolie985 Orton was an above average draw as champion. Look it up.
Randy is one of the best to ever do it hands down! From his finisher to his look to his demeanor everything about Randy Orton is perfect heel persona and on top of that being a 3rd Generation wrestler he was born to be in the squared Circle
lol.
Orton probably has the smoothest wrestling mechanics I ever seen. He’s so fluid in the ring that his moves has an artistry feel when you watch his matches. However, I was never that impressed by his promos and sometimes I feel that he be on “cruise control” too often. I also didn’t like how he got Kofi’s original push derailed due to a miss spot in they’re match but there’s no denying that he’s had a great long career and is still relevant 20 years later.
That's what I'm saying.. Randy can wrestle circles around a lot of people and he's one of the safest workers to ever live but his promos is okay for what they are and his personality is okay.. It's just his in-ring work that got him over big..
maybe the only worker with comparable smoothness and crispness was Ricky Steamboat.
I don't understand some fans on the internet claiming that Orton doesn't have mic skills. He admitted that there was a time when Orton didn't talk that much on the mic and put a lot more emphasis on his in-ring work. But for the most part, his promos are some of the best I've heard like in the wrestlemania build ups in 2006 against Mysterio and Angle, 2009 against Triple H, 2015 against Seth Rollins, 2020 against Edge and many more. I don't think he'd be regarded by many professionals as the best of his era if he didn't have "personality" bruh. He's a top storyteller.
Plus Orton did make amends by putting over Kofi in 2019. Even Kofi said that you can't have a conversation of the greatest of all time without mentioning Randy.
@@kenrickeason In the ring, Randy is his dad. On the mic, he's his grandfather. He somehow combined the best of both.
Orton is an actual GOAT, corny is right. Always is.
"An actual GOAT"
Orton is the only guy in my mind who can hold a candle to guys like Sting or Angle. Just as a wrestler. As a personality, he’s got it all.
What the
Never liked Orton and found him boring! Never went out of my way to watch him wrestle!
Where do you get the idea that Sting and Kurt Angle are on the same level as pure wrestlers??? Wtf
@@2682shark maybe because angle is an Olympic WRESTLER you fool
Sting and Angle was just amazing in the ring.. Randy Orton can wrestle circles around most wrestlers but he's an okay promo not the best but okay.. Randy Orton wrestles clean as hell like his father did but his promo isn't like his father..
Randy Orton is definitely a legit 6ft4 he towers over most the guys in WWE. Most of them have fake heights Orton is legit.
Fax, dude's tall af, might even be 6ft5. I'll never forget when he stood toe to toe with Strowman back when Smackdown invaded Raw in 2016, absolutely badass
@@purestformofpeace hell yea I remember that face to face, Strowman only a couple inches taller. If Randy had more muscle mass he woulda been booked as a giant.
@@wastedimperium777he's just come back and he's in incredible shape he looks like a beast
The dark, brooding, sadistic version of Orton via the angle when he had the Intermittent Explosive Disorder with Legacy versus Triple H and the McMahons is probably my all-time favorite heel. That was an amazing program. Orton is definitely one of the all-time greats.
Oh yeah, 2009: the age of orton. You think by now that we kinda wish the 2009 version returned to today's era
Randy Orton has always been good. He hardly ever gets credit for how great he really is. People need to appreciate Randy while he is still around. He's an all time great and a legend.
Shiiiii, Orton is great, his evolution in real life and in the locker room have been amazing. The dude is has maintained his career for so many years. And the crowd still loves him and like so many have said, he is one of the few today that the mainstream/pop culture fans REALLY know.
Lmfao you know this from your vast number of years of being in the locker room with him.
When I first saw Randy Orton in WWE, he was a damn good heel to the point I REALLY wanted someone to knock his block off. At the same time, I recognized that he was plenty good enough as a wrestler to back up a lot of the smack he talked.
I hate his character in the way I'm meant to as a viewer, so that gets my respect for him as a worker.
You can question Randy s dedication but not his skill. The man has great moves and seems to be one of most consistent. If what I read about his personality now is really true...give Randy his flowers while he can enjoy them along with another title reign.
I couldn't stand Evolution era Orton for a lot of the reason this guy suggests (had potential, but he looked very green at times and the push felt forced), but when I've seen him over the last couple of years or so, he's been amazing. His mic work during the program with Edge was some of the best stuff I've seen him do in his career.
Legend Killer Orton forever. lol Backlash 2004 when he took that thumbtack spot with no shirt. I think that was the match that put him over the top. Lesnar leaving and some necessity to get the belt off Benoit, you get the new youngest champion ever.
@@mecha2001 Yeah definitely Foley made him, and to his credit he did well with what he was given. Still couldn't stand his ass, lol. He represented just about everything I hated about Raw especially in the Ruthless Aggression era.
@@Thecallmemisterajp yeah like after 2001 ended, RAW became very bad. I think even at the tail end of Invasion we preferred SmackDown even then. it's funny how much I hated it when it went WWF -> WWE but they actually had some quality stuff still then. way more than now.
@@mecha2001 Why wouldn't HHH simply take it back against Benoit at Summerslam? I think because Vince really wanna push Orton, so there you go
Then he did his job. He was a heel.
Say what you want about Randy Orton, but he developed the look of a wrestler, family tradition, excellent worker, excellent athleticism, and his Legend Killer and Viper character work was great I think. His heel work was the defining work of his career in my opinion. Now, as a babyface with Riddle doing quiz bowls with Alpha Academy (Chad Gable is a great and annoying heel at this point in my view) he is still over almost 20 years later as a star talent, still looks great, has crisp work in the ring, and helping to get Riddle over. Children today are doing his pose the way I was almost 20 years ago.
Rarely, not impossible, but rarely do you have the son of a star professional athlete, let alone the son of a pro wrestling star, that is as good or better than his father.
Randy Orton is one of the greatest of all time. Not only because of his work in the ring, but his ability to stay consistent and relevant for so long. What other wrestlers come to mind with that statement: all time greats.
beep beep beep token "say what you want about..." comment
I never got the whole Randy Orton is boring thing. I’ve been watching since 1997 and watched a lot of stuff from before 1997 over the years. Randy Orton is not boring. He’s pretty great in the ring and knows how to tell a story. He’s been one of my favorites since he joined up with Evolution.
At his best, he was the best. He just wasn't his best often enough.
That RKO to Rollins at Mania 31 was phenomenal.
The greatest wrestling reversals of all time
Orton is an interesting case. Despite having one of the best careers of ANY wrestler over the past 20 years, he’s often overlooked as an all time great. I think it’s partially because it’s difficult to pin him as “the face” of a specific era. He was never a favorite of the smarks but at the same time he’s never been pushed as hard as WWE’s favorite guys either. (Cena, Lesnar, Roman etc.) despite what people think. Other wrestlers may have had better moments and a better run at the top but Orton has been more consistent.
That's the reason I always liked Orton...he's kinda like the anti to the john Cenas & the roman's
He was pushed hard in 2004 but it failed. Also he had problems backstage
@@Asfgxff Randy was extremely over in 2009 and he became reliable which is why he won. He had the highest rated segments that year
there has always been guys like orton in every era. *UNDERTAKER* is the original randy orton.The consistent reliable committed faithful performer that's always there,puts up talent, can main event any show, can win any match with the build, can work with anyone, over with fans & loyal to the company & I have a feeling that orton might replace undertaker in all those aspects except being the best friend of vince.
Undertaker,Foley,HHH,Batista,Orton,Punk(2011-13),rollins(2015-now) are the guys just like undertaker that are always there.IMO all these people (except hhh & foley)are more athletetic,versitile,natural,talented & than the overpushed company face of their respective eras. You cana rgue that austin & rock were needed to be in their positions to win the monday night war but that's it.If there were no war, austin could have retired & rock could have never returned & I'd take taker over them any day.Rollins has more talent in every aspect in his finger than reigns has in his 37yr existence. He hasn't won a world title since 2019 despite enduring all the horrible gimmicks,bookings and storylines they have given him which he still pulled of
He's overlooked as an all time great because he's a boring, milquetoast robot.
Forget the Orton take, Brian's setup and Jim's delivery on the ad promo was on point. Hell, he made me want to try Netsuite and I'm not running a small business.
Randy is top 10-15 all time
There’s no denying the tenure and extended excellence.
It’s also extremely disappointing it all came so easy to him so he never took things seriously until the end.
Yep
This person clearly hasn’t seen his character work with RKBRO or psycho Viper
I can't believe how fast time flies. I remember 2011 randy on smackdown like it was last week.
oh yes, his feud with Christian was top notch, and their match on that ppv with car theme ... amazing
@@JaculaDudek over the limit lol
Randy’s probably 4th greatest of all time for me behind:
1. Undertaker
2. The Rock
3. Stone Cold
Lack of personality on camera? Seriously? He's a beast on the mic. I don't know what he's smoking on.
See his Kofi Kingston & Beth Phoenix/Edge promos for examples.
7:26 I was dying from that sponsorship promo Cornette did 😂
Teaming with Riddle has added layers to his character if you ask me.
Their team sucks
That Ad is comedically Hilarious and Promo level. 😁😁😂😂🤣🤣😭😭💀💀
2009-10 bald Randy was amazing, The fueds with the McMahon’s, triple h, batista and cena where must see and it made you think he was a maniac.
I remember that orton vs triple h feud, seems like it was yesterday
@@maxwellpeter5955 I know man, hard to believe it’s been 12-13 years!
The ads for the sponsors of Cornys show in any given week are fast becoming my favorite part of the show. The way Corny starts putting them over like cutting a heel promo and Brian has to jump in "wait! No!" Like he trying to save the sponsorship such a great way to work the advertisements like a promo man.
Randy is on my Mt Rushmore of pro wrestling. Him, Kurt Angle, John Cena, Edge, and Undertaker empitmized by childhood as a wrestling fan.
This Arron person is probably a hardcore AEW fan.
"Dumbshit, even if that's the way you feel don't be doing an open mic night about it" 😅
The way Brian pronounced "Aaron" 🤦🏻♂️
Pronounced "eh - ruhn"
Randy has had and still has a great career and accolades to show for it. And the man works his ass off and has kept in shape for the longest. And he does the RKO to perfection.
The great last telling Jim thats not how this works during these promos is OVER. Its great!
Randy and The Miz are the veterans in the mid-card ready to step up at a moment notice into a main event spot if WWE is short in main event guys ( cuz of injuries or more likely WWE "budget cuts " releases )
Whenever he's ready, I'm sure Orton will match the 16 championship reign. Then he needs to retire cena, winner is the first and only 17 time champion.
Randy is a main eventer. Miz never should have been.
@@eiephants Miz should have been booted years ago. He’s a joke. Orton is a star and a legend.
I liked Randy from the moment I seen him debut. Of that Class of '02 Mount Rushmore, he's the one that impressed me the most career wise. He's believable, he can talk, he can work for a guy thats not usually technical, he has the charisma & commanding presence, size, a solid unorthodox moveset & good background story. The guy has in my opinion some of the best dropkicks I've ever seen in wrestling (even Jim mentioned that crispy standing dropkick he always had).
It wasnt until I watched him give the Fabulous Moolah that RKO that I believe kicked off his Legend Killer gimmick where I said he's a superstar thats about to blow. That guy that sent in the question is either straight hating or he hasnt watched Randy's body of work long enough to critique him properly.
That mark who emailed in.... by god.. what a turbo-mark.
That's an absurd question. He'd have been a top guy in most any era.
That email is from someone who takes a lot of drugs and if not they should start.
great action shot by Travis.
👍👍
@@gsesquire3441 jajajaja!
Travis has Randy looking like he’s straight out of Mike Tyson’s Punch Out
I'm in love with that smooth as fuck scoop slam that Randy does, it's not a flashy move but it's so quick and fluid that I'm in awe every time he uses it. And his expressions are top tier, I still remember when Riddle came out riding a camel in Saudi Arabia he was absolutely stunned and then just decided to go with it.
I said "jesus christ...." a half second before Jim did. This guy is wayyyy of base.
"Fans" are disrespecting Legends. Randy Orton has some of the Greatest Promos and has Phenomenal Charisma. His Physique alone?!
Reminded me of the A A Ron skit
You done messed up!
That sponsor plug-in was hilarious, with Jim going off the rail with the qualities and Brian Last telling again and again "no, no, you can't say that, you cant promise that!" 😂
The run he had between '06 to '09 is some of the best heel work ever.
The 2010 Randy Orton is the smoothest most fluid wrestler I've ever seen. He puts out great stuff when he's with got a program with someone good.
And now look at him. He's got the most ever matches on Raw, most matches on a WWE PPV. Credible enough to still enter the title scene and hold it.
When it's all said and done, he'll be one of the best ever to step into the ring.
Smart marks aren't as smart as they think they are lol Hearing that letter being read gave me hives.
What a smooth segueway there...hit me outta nowhere
Randy Orton deserves the respect for sure. I've never been his biggest fan, but he has been very consistent, and you have to respect what he's done lately, because it wouldn't mean anything without his body of work. Though does anyone else feel Austin Theory is going to be like an up-to-date Randy of this new generation?
I think so. I see similarities between Randy Orton and Austin Theory.
He is easily one of the smoothest working and most technically sound wrestlers in WWE and had been for 20 years. He is the only guy I followed once Rock and Austin left and Brock went to UFC. He is still a great, great wrestler.
"He was fortunate enough to come up in a time where most the guys weren't big guys".
Lesnar. Cena. Batista. Lashley. Triple H. Good Lord man, you went full on stupid.
I never rated Orton, mainly because he came into the business after it was completely exposed. Maybe if I was 5 years old when he began I would feel differently.
Randy is so fkin good that he doesn't even need to try lmao. He's literally better than most guys when he's hardly even trying 😂
One of my five favorites and one of the best to do it. JBL used to always say on commentary that if you were building a pro wrestler it would look like Orton. I hope that girl whose neck he licked in Evolution's tron don't meToo him lol.
Lmaooo
How are more people not talking about Jims masterous promotion of Netsuite. Great episode but the advert at the end really had me ROFL.
Stealing DDPs diamond cutter was what saved Ortons career
I have never heard anyone say Orton isn’t good on the Mic
Orton definitely has mic skills and his personality is fantastic I remember when he got into the internet's memes and were sharing them on his Twitter Orton's an all time great
Randy Orton is in my top 5 favorite. That R.K.O. though. The football punt to the head was hilarious. That was my shit. I live to watch R.O. kick folks in the head.
Randy the best heel around. Hands down
Cough cough Reigns
@@danielseaton3504 cough cough title push.
@@DarkNorthEmperor cough cough, bumble bee tuna
@@DarkNorthEmperor what's that got to do with anything??
@@danielseaton3504 reigns is where he is now because Vince finally caved to fans and made him heel and then pushed him to the moon with the title at hand. Randy never needed that.
You two talking about that Power of Attorney lol he said that's not at all what that said. Lol Glad we got that all figured out. I'm dead lol
Corny misrepresenting the sponsors is one of my favorite bits.
This is probably the only channel where I enjoy the ads because I get to hear Jim cut an off-the-cuff promo about the product or service that paid for promotion.
3:30 Training Match
7:30 Visibility
Orton's psycho character when ripping out Hardy's ear lobe and earring was classic.
When the fuck was Randy the size of Hogan?
If Jim did all the commercials on TV it would be like Super Bowl ads every day!!!! 🤣🤣🤣
i think what he was really trying to say was sometimes randy orton tries and a lot of time he doesn't. it's painfully obvious, when you watch RAW, which orton you're getting.
Orton has one of the best standing dropkicks in the business. Okada as well
And AJ styles
I never, ever saw, that Orton got a lack of personality! Natural heel, can also go as a babyface. I wonder, if i ever saw a pure natural talent than Orton was and is. There's a few, like Shawn Michaels, Angle, Both Bret and Owen Hart... Heyman was right! If you need a worker, to pull the best out of a story - midcard, uppercard or Main Event, Orton make that thing work
I remember watching his first WWE match back in 2002. I told my brother and flatmate who were both watching it with me "Wait and see. He's going to be the next poster boy." As history has shown, he ended up being Randy Savage to John Cena's Hulk Hogan but we all preferred it that way.
the ric flair to hulk hogan or the rock to austin comparison is better
The listener forgot the fact that his finisher move can excite people in the 80s or even the 70s geez
When Randy Orton was the leader of Legacy, His promos were 🔥
I'm always surprised when I look up Orton's age periodically. He's still only 41! Remember him being the up and coming guy 20 years ago in wrestling games like Here Comes the Pain. Considering wrestlers peak later compared to athletes in sports etc he's still quite young.
0:18 i ran so far away couldn’t get away 🤣🤣🤣
Iran needs a history lesson. What the hell is he talking about? Randy Orton is a barbie doll? WTF?
The best thing I heard of to compare this about Orton sometimes he walks to the ring like he's standing in line at the DMV. Almost like he's just going through the motion of it and this RKBro stuff kind have revitalize Orton's interest in being a wrrstler. Idk about calling him a ken doll though
Orton is so good that not even the terrible, horrible booking he has been in the past 3yrs hasn't dented his Legacy. I'm not even a Randy Orton fan tbh but i can't deny greatness.
It really shows the negative effect reddit has had on the Internet when within hours all the top comments are 'positive' and in agreement, flooded with likes no matter how cliche their statements are.
I'd like to see Cornette say "oof" and "what the f**k" to Steve Austin when he said or agreed with somebody that Orton's promos were lacking. Orton himself didn't, he said he appreciates criticism, but we all know Cornette can't even appreciate criticism of someone he happens to like. And this is the same guy who just said he can't imagine being an AEW wrestler and having this uber-wrestling geek from decades ago (Meltzer) latch onto them in praise like a dog on a leg.
Randy orton has been able to evolve constantly over the years from the awesome legend killer gimmick to the apex predator he’s been great. He’s also so good in the ring and has always maintained a great physique. He will definitely go down as one of the best of all time
Randy Orton was so up and down for me growing up with him in the top spot. I loved him at first, then hated him, then thought he was good, then mehhh again, then with his heel work in a shitty 2020, I considered him the best wrestler all-around in the world. I think his heel work in 2020 was the best I've seen from him in years.
Im with you, loved legend killer then gradually got bored with him and felt he was overrated. He's very good at everything but it felt like he coasted a lot. Also the awful booking and era he was in after like 07 08 didn't help. It was just him and Cena so that hurt. Wasn't there an episode where those 2 beat the entire roster lol
off topic but i love jim’s sponsor plugs especially when he doesn’t really understand the product and just makes shit up 😂😂😂
Chairman of the Bored
Orton is bland and boring and has been since the early. He is not a good promo, but he isn't bad on his day. Ain't nothing spectacular about Randall "slow it down" Orton
GOAT! Mount Rushmore with HBK, Angle and Lesnar!
He cemented his legacy & legend status quietly like his in in ring psychology. One of top favorites of the past 20 years.
When hes a straight up heel i believe hes one of the best heels ever.
Orton is a great worker and he is a great wrestler. He is a future hall of famer.
I always said him and cena were rock and Austin 2.0 and that is the highest praise I can think of for both him and cena
Eye opener. Great content as usual Jim
Aaron pronounced Ar-rin 🤣
I'll never understand the fascination with John Cena.