@@David-wc5zl If it didn't happen on a Tesla, it didn't happen at all. All the oohs and ahs over the Cyber Truck had me gasping at just how technically out of touch the Teslarazzi are. They have no idea whatsoever.
first of all this isnt self parking, did you watch the video, and secondly the f150s self parl´king isnt even good, ive seen it in action it needed driver input@@David-wc5zl
@@davidbrayshaw3529 I mean cybertruck is packed with a technology noone else on this planet uses, that alone is pretty impressive. Good thing some companies are not afraid of taking a different path than everybody else. Also, there is nothing even remotely close to Tesla FSD. Prove me wrong please, I am not a Tesla fan, I am a self driving fan, and Tesla seems to be the only one who has a good chance of having milions of self driving cars on the road in the very near future.
5:47 Jesus. I’m an OG 2021 tester so I’ve seen it all. This is single handedly the most impressive move I’ve ever seen by the car. This is general autonomy. The car legitimately looks to have a brain. Insane. I think they could actually do this.
It reminds me of Waymo! We watched a Waymo car navigate a busy mall parking lot like a champ. Glad to see FSD finally make it there with way less sensors and no HD maps!
I think they did it. Now it’s just a matter of training it. Parking and reversing are the only outstanding issues, and they’re only required for full robotaxi.
idk, is it really that impressive? it saw a car incoming and still crept forward. It might be the perspective, but it looked like the car passing had very little room to get through. Smaller than what most people are comfortable with.
@@alexp.6406 It's because the visualizations must be a tech that version 11 uses, which is I guess just a cosmetic now. Since version 12 is a "look and drive", pure deep learning model it only uses raw cam input. Then does the math to output driving moves, and that should be all. There's no way to visualize what it's seeing, that's also why machine learning models are often called black boxes Edit: Yes we know better about how deep learning models work, but they are still artifical neural networks, we can't just fetch visualizations from them. Researchers use the models many times and create visualizations from these results, not in real time
The attention to detail and the observational competence is what makes you such a great, non-biased member of the Tesla community. Nice work as always, man.
It is biased though cause he is never very critical. His standards is very low and he gives endless praise, when doing the bare minimum isn't impressive. It needs to be better than a human or its a useless technology. Currently it thinks too slow and doesn't have enough sensors nor compute power to handle the data without delay
You are missing the point of these videos. You could make videos of human drivers and complain endlessly at how bad they are. We know. There is no need to talk about it here. We need his thoughts on how it is performing in real life. @@wile123456
@@wile123456 it is already safer than human, because it doesnt get distracted. This thing could fly and you would be complaining. People that don't want to see how good this system with very little video training already is, are biased as well. Just the other way.
@@wile123456it seems like he gives praise when something is done right and gives constructive feedback when there's room for improvement. Technology isn't developed over night, great things take time
Beta 12 passed the Costco parking lot "Turning Test" on this run. The stack switching for highway driving will take time to resolve. This is the best performance and commentary to date of any FSD channel on TH-cam...
Oh boy… that dip control is far more valuable than some may realize. This emergent behavior will give v12 the chance to successfully complete a good chunk of customer trips that were fails up till this.
@@AIDRIVR That’s so true. It’ll allow me to level up the playing field that much more… I’m thinking of two new categories that’ll go on the report videos: - Route Competency - Arrival/Delivery Competency
Antioch Costco, I recognize the area. Oakley and Brentwood also. I have FSD 11.x and it definitely isn’t as smooth as this on my HW3. Good sign for what’s to come!
Only 6 minutes into the video, but WHAT an improvement. This is really looking so good! The fact that it moved into the curb is amazing. Hoping that one day I'll get to try this in The Netherlands, can't wait!
@3:55 "The car just looked at his tires to see which way he was going." I think this will be another emergent property (like U-turns, dips/bump handling, etc.) of using a single model... far more accurate detection of the intentions of other drivers, by using details like changes in tire direction that are typically below the threshold of our consciousness. Thanks for posting, really excited about this version.
Yes. It can now use the information it sees directly instead of having to put it into a human-defined data format for another part of the system to react to.
I noticed in the video that there seems to be some kind of replacement to the occupancy network on the screen. For example, at 2:02 if you watch the pedestrians on screen you can see some blobs around them. again at 3:18 the mobility scooter was being showed on screen as a blob.
Would be cool if Tesla could somehow track exterior honks per miles driven. Nonetheless, V12 appears to be a step change improvement. You have the best FSD videos on the internet. Keep up the good work and Thank you!
Wow, just wow. The parking lot performance was next level. V12 delivers as hoped! Actual smart summon and auto park will be worth every penny I paid for fsd alone.
@@cannonwills Key word "fully", as in you get in the car, tell it to take you somewhere and there are 0 interfere from the operator. "Fully" as in there is no driving wheel and the buyer doesn't need a driver's license. We are not there yet. Close, but not there. Maybe in 5 or less years.
@@cannonwills I'm not sure about Tesla stock or shares, but I believe that it's products will only get better from here on out in terms of self driving, especially with how V12 can learn infinitely. Personally I would buy and hold for the years to come.
The inconsistency of speed is mainly due to the sensitive analysis of the road condition. I sometimes feel v11 robotically goes to fast on some bad roads.
We’ve had a few days of heavy rain and in a 45min drive all over Orange County FSD V12 never turned on the wiper blades. I noticed then when the rain is heavy, it didn’t turn them on. But when the rain is light and “misty”, turns them on. Fascinating
Your reviews have always been the first one I go to to evaluate a new version. You are truthful and have a tremendous amount of insight about the intricacies of each new release. And your summary at the end is always top-notch and informative. I know exactly what to look for in the next version just by watching your review. Thank you so much for doing what you do for Tesla, Tesla owners, and potential Tesla owners.
Kudos on posting this brilliant FSD V12 video! From busy Costco parking lot to the excellent narration to the balanced presentation of pros/cons - it’s stellar.
Very impressive. I hadn’t realised, but being in the UK and in Europe, we know the roads here are significantly more challenging than most of the US. So I’ve long thought that the FSD we see navigating US junctions that look like airfield runways to us… well, that there’s no chance of it working here in the UK. But seeing that car deal with Costco and just how complex that real world situation example was, how must crap it had to deal with … I’m now much more convinced one day FSD could cope with some of our high streets with all the random goings on and tight gaps that we need to squeeze through at times. Seriously impressive.
It fails to spot the speed humps, and the trolleys (2:28), and this is only going slowly. It also misses the mobility scooter with a trolley at 3:18, a pedestrian at 3:27. I stopped watching at this point, but they definitely have a lot of work to do. This is where the competition were last year. th-cam.com/video/oKYQdjbrZi4/w-d-xo.html
Well done.. By breaking down and calling out specifics, this video very nicely shows and evaluates the new features.This is probably the best with consumable and digestible info. Thanks for this. I know this must have taken you some time to compile. Can wait to get the download now myself.
wow. this video.. of all the videos i've seen of impressive self-driving, i think the car handling the parking lot in general was probably the most impressive thing i've seen. how natural and humanlike it is is insane, and it threading the needle when some cars are parked but wanting to move out is basically just casually confident driving imo. it handles the parking lot better than i would have. if we see several more months of this level of improvement we might see real self-driving, at a level far far improved to waymo
As much as I appreciate Mars videos of FSD 12 over the last few weeks I'm incredibly happy to see other's perspectives/views of how FSD 12 handles roads outside of SF. Granted SF is one of the more complicated cities to drive in with so many hills and pedestrians, however there are tons of other scenarios that it doesn't have. Would love to see how FSD 12 handles NY city, downtown D.C., or snow for example.
So today on FSD 12, which I can say feels like such an amazing upgrade so far from my testing, I did have a moment where my M3LR drove directly for a cone in a parking lot. I let it go very late until I was certain it was going to hit the cone before I stopped it. Little bit of a let down, but still everything else is so much improved I can't complain
Great video! Yes that was one of the first things I noticed in the V12 release notes.. "FSD V12 has upgraded the City Street Stack" and I was like huh they must not be comfortable with the single stack on the highways yet kind of like they did when they first released FSD city streets only
I just changed my 2020 model x performance for a 2024 long range and transferred over my full self-driving and Lifetime supercharging and wow wow wow what a huge difference in the self-driving it went from your grandmother driving to a 16-year-old kid with his license for the first time what a huge improvement I just can't believe it...
@@10secondsrule - True, but the grandmother is only going to get worse over time, and the 16-year-old will (usually) improve. What he was focused on is that FSD is likely to continue its rapid improvement to *great* driving.
@@Nadzap the car is allrewdy perfect, the autopilot is just a cool extra feature you get from it, the only thing Tesla can improve is their build quality, but that just comes with the low price
Looks really good on the whole! I guess it all comes down to how quickly the Tesla AI team can iterate and improve the FSD NNs and fix these small issues. I agree with you that the occupancy network or what is visualized on the screen is legacy code for us humans to get a glimpse of what is going on inside the NN, but it isn't actually what the NN is using for control. It is basically end to end, photons in, control out via a sequence of NNs (not sure if in parallel, series or some other arrangement). Also heard it confirmed elsewhere that highway is the old V11 stack. Although Omar seems to believe it is V12. I agree with you. Looks like the old stack.
@@cameron1100 The FSD notes say the update is for city streets. Some people were assuming the notes were sloppy or incorrect, but it looks like they thought freeway is already good so focus on City
I think that it may be a somewhat tweaked version of V11 for highway. It seems to behave at least slightly different from the old V11, which is at least partly contributing to the confusion
That Costco parking lot was a nightmare for any driver. It's amazing that it can handle it so well now. I'd say it's as good as a good student driver. Some iffy decisions. I would have backed up for the cop (if there was room behind me). And not gone by vehicles backing up (I have been hit by them before when I was STOPPED).
Very balanced thorough review as always! Thanks for posting! PS: as an aside, I'm feeling kinda proud I got v12 the same time as you did (assuming you got it on 19th) :D haha! We navigated to a restaurant and I expect it to pull up by the side (based on the whole mars blog review), but it went into the parking. From your review I now realize that's a feature :) So exciting!
You make the best FSD videos by far. Not surprising that a simple situation -- driving straight -- is the one situation where hard-coded heuristics can perform better than human style driving. I can't imagine that they moved away from single stack in this version. Surely not.
This is probably the first time I watch the full length of these types of videos, FSD is incredible!! Based on what you said about how much safer it is in parking lots and then how it can't keep a consistent speed in a straight line, it almost sounds like the safety factor they've increased is affecting it in a straight line. Almost like it is being a little too cautious in an uncomfortable setting
Wow! I was very sceptical on Robotaxi, but after seeing version 12, it seems a matter of when rather than if. Now that they've transitioned to neural network training instead of C++ codes, I believe there will be rapid improvements with shorter release cycles, and FSD will be a beast, even by year end.
Great video, as always! :) Also, and I mean no offense by this, but I was happy to see a retuen to the old format, where it was all driving video with no face time :) At least to me, that format feels much more immersive.
2:40 pedestrians in parking lot in general, most potent !WOW! moment for me, honestly I'd have driven that 2:40 worse half the time and I take proper driving seriously. (((more rural, I can usually afford to wait for pedestrians)))
My guess for the inconsistent speed would be that it drives at whatever speed it believes would allow it to stop fast enough if some emergency or unexpected thing were to occur. The road is straight forward but the surroundings and hills change as it goes so the space ahead/around it can see is increasing and decreasing a bunch.
My guess is that if it's trained on humans then that makes sense. People are terrible at maintaining a set speed and it's gotten worse with phone usage while driving. I'm interested in how they solve for this problem.
I don’t own a Tesla but love watching the progression to fully autonomous vehicles in real time with these updates! The confidence in V12 is so much better than V11, it is making much more human decisions!
Here's the facts: Our 2022 Tesla S & 2023 Tesla X have both the latest FSD software, used both of them today, and we almost had 2-3 times accident (each car). It even used the BIKE LANE and almost bumped the people in their lane. My wife shouted TWICE when we did it in my 2022 Tesla S PLAID, and when I tested the 2023 Tesla X Long Range she didn't come with me anymore. I noticed that this so called TH-camrs LYING to us, as they only share the video they think is better than the other ones. I'm still freaking out when I think about those people biking that we almost hit, and my car JUMPED on the DIP and I thought I broke something on the bottom of my car. Bring your car here in Austin, and I'll bet my life that you will have so many Phantom Braking, Merging in the wrong lane, etc ................ If you will rely on it, you will DIE, period. Have a great day to y'all!
The one we've all been waiting for. And yet, as ever, my main reaction is to ask how fast it will improve. Though there's a definite extra piquancy to that question now : )
Man that parking lot performance is amazing - no negatives for me.. Can't wait! Oh man that parking lot scene of it looping is priceless. My wife says it reminds me of the Netflix movie, sigh... Overall this build is approved from me, I can handle the small regressions, I figured they would ignore highway for now as there's an entire safety level requirement to flip that switch, and damn that parking lot.. Makes me wonder how it will handle my parking garage - v11 just don't bother - and my gate in and out, at this point it wants to run into it and get in the way of it opening..
Totally agree. Some people may disagree with how the car handles round pedestrians but they would have the world wrapped in bubble foam. Good to see sense and practicality prevail 💪
This is awesome.. really like how it just creeps smoothly through the aisle with lots of things going on. just like I would do. no jerk of car and nocrazy steering wheel movements. Keep going through parking lots and feed the lion. v12.69 is going to be lit!!!
So thank you for the ride along, as V12 seems to be getting closer to what one would expect a true AGI system would look like. However, that windshield wiper problem, absolutely needs to be fixed, and for the life of me I don’t understand why that’s still such an issue. So I am looking for to having V12, and I hope more people get it soon, but I am definitely impressed with what you’re demonstrating here, even with the regressions you’ve identified. Cheers 🥂
This is absolutely incredible. I've been following these videos for a while now and it used to be so bad. Crazy to see the improvements. Side by side of similar situations in previous versions would be really cool to see. Or like a video of just one situation type and it goes sequentially through the versions showing the incremental (or not) improvement. Maybe later tho when we are even closer to full hands off.
not you starting the video off with my local Costco I go to every week haha. I recognize the buildings across the street. great vid, I didn't realize you were based that close to me!! Super cool seeing your self driving videos in areas I go to all the time!
Great review. You are very dedicated and thorough in your test and narration. Keep up the good work. We love it. Elon mentioned that all these problems will be solved in V12.3 coming “in 2 week”! Still waiting impatiently for our V12.1.2 on MS.
6:00 it's blind to the speedbumps as you can see in the screen, it would keep the slow speed no matter what. The cameras are too low res, it doesn't have a lidar to see the indents, and it also has no gyroscope to feel the bumps when it goes over. It also doesn't have a microphone or humidity sensor to feel that the road is wet.
Gyroscopes don't feel bumps, accelerometers do; and Tesla have accelerometers. And it doesn't need to hear or feel that the road is wet, any more than you do; it can see that the road is wet.
Great coverage. Crazy to see these improvements. I have V12 and am gonna take it for a longer spin today. Hoping to experience more smooth straightaways!
Wrt to the variable speed on highways, it appears to be slowing slightly as it approaches intersections to check for cross-traffic, then it accelerates back up to its previous speed once it crosses the intersection. That is probably intentional, and is likely the safe thing to do.
I also think the freeway is of v11 stack. You can see the speed changed from auto to the user programmed speed as soon as it entered the freeway and changed back to auto once it exited the freeway. Great Video, thank you!
I love how you’re totally happy with live testing Teslas “self driving” in a busy car park with pedestrians walking everywhere. You have so much faith in this junk-ware
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Just, wow. The parking lot performance is amazing! It truly feels like it's actually "considering" things now, rather than just reacting.
LOL A 2016 F-150 has self parking. Aren't you MuskCult members embarrassed by now?
@@David-wc5zl This isn't self parking. Did you even watch the video?
@@David-wc5zl If it didn't happen on a Tesla, it didn't happen at all. All the oohs and ahs over the Cyber Truck had me gasping at just how technically out of touch the Teslarazzi are. They have no idea whatsoever.
first of all this isnt self parking, did you watch the video, and secondly the f150s self parl´king isnt even good, ive seen it in action it needed driver input@@David-wc5zl
@@davidbrayshaw3529 I mean cybertruck is packed with a technology noone else on this planet uses, that alone is pretty impressive. Good thing some companies are not afraid of taking a different path than everybody else. Also, there is nothing even remotely close to Tesla FSD. Prove me wrong please, I am not a Tesla fan, I am a self driving fan, and Tesla seems to be the only one who has a good chance of having milions of self driving cars on the road in the very near future.
5:47 Jesus. I’m an OG 2021 tester so I’ve seen it all. This is single handedly the most impressive move I’ve ever seen by the car. This is general autonomy. The car legitimately looks to have a brain. Insane. I think they could actually do this.
It reminds me of Waymo! We watched a Waymo car navigate a busy mall parking lot like a champ. Glad to see FSD finally make it there with way less sensors and no HD maps!
I think they did it. Now it’s just a matter of training it. Parking and reversing are the only outstanding issues, and they’re only required for full robotaxi.
idk, is it really that impressive? it saw a car incoming and still crept forward. It might be the perspective, but it looked like the car passing had very little room to get through. Smaller than what most people are comfortable with.
@@alexp.6406 It's because the visualizations must be a tech that version 11 uses, which is I guess just a cosmetic now. Since version 12 is a "look and drive", pure deep learning model it only uses raw cam input. Then does the math to output driving moves, and that should be all. There's no way to visualize what it's seeing, that's also why machine learning models are often called black boxes
Edit: Yes we know better about how deep learning models work, but they are still artifical neural networks, we can't just fetch visualizations from them. Researchers use the models many times and create visualizations from these results, not in real time
There is a lot a ways visualizing what‘s happening in a deep learning model and they are by no means „black boxes“ anymore.
I CANNOT wait to get my hands on this version. Thanks so much for sharing!
Yooo Farzad!
@@Fissan_Poulsen It's Farvae.
@@AgentSmith-16384 10/10
@anna-fk8ql Im pretty sure you'll get the answer if you click on his name ^^
@anna-fk8ql Farzad is THE shareholder of Tesla ^^
The attention to detail and the observational competence is what makes you such a great, non-biased member of the Tesla community. Nice work as always, man.
It is biased though cause he is never very critical. His standards is very low and he gives endless praise, when doing the bare minimum isn't impressive. It needs to be better than a human or its a useless technology. Currently it thinks too slow and doesn't have enough sensors nor compute power to handle the data without delay
You are missing the point of these videos. You could make videos of human drivers and complain endlessly at how bad they are. We know. There is no need to talk about it here. We need his thoughts on how it is performing in real life. @@wile123456
@@wile123456 it is already safer than human, because it doesnt get distracted. This thing could fly and you would be complaining. People that don't want to see how good this system with very little video training already is, are biased as well. Just the other way.
Why are you on the post Negative Nancy
@@wile123456it seems like he gives praise when something is done right and gives constructive feedback when there's room for improvement. Technology isn't developed over night, great things take time
Beta 12 passed the Costco parking lot "Turning Test" on this run. The stack switching for highway driving will take time to resolve. This is the best performance and commentary to date of any FSD channel on TH-cam...
Props for the Turning Test, you just gave me a good laugh, kind sir
Oh boy… that dip control is far more valuable than some may realize.
This emergent behavior will give v12
the chance to successfully complete a good chunk of customer trips that were fails up till this.
A chance for a true completion too, with the car automatically pulling over for pickup / drop off
Really looking forward to seeing you take v12 through the Gauntlet!
@@neilmurphy7594 I’m pumped too. I cannot wait to get to work on 12 🥵
@@AIDRIVR That’s so true. It’ll allow me to level up the playing field that much more…
I’m thinking of two new categories that’ll go on the report videos:
- Route Competency
- Arrival/Delivery Competency
@@alexp.6406 😅 yerp. Maybe AIDRIVR uses his predictive magic on me haha 🤣
Great video. The Costco parking lot has to be the most incredible FSD segment I have ever seen. I can’t believe it could navigate that so human like.
Antioch Costco, I recognize the area. Oakley and Brentwood also. I have FSD 11.x and it definitely isn’t as smooth as this on my HW3. Good sign for what’s to come!
I avoid Costco because it is too congested for the human driver.
Absolutely!
I've said it before, and I'll say it again...THE BEST FSD REVIEWER OUT THERE BAR NONE!!!!!!!
Thank you for the awesome video.
Your videos are actually so entertaining! I love your narration because it's always on point. Keep it up!
Only 6 minutes into the video, but WHAT an improvement. This is really looking so good! The fact that it moved into the curb is amazing. Hoping that one day I'll get to try this in The Netherlands, can't wait!
@3:55 "The car just looked at his tires to see which way he was going." I think this will be another emergent property (like U-turns, dips/bump handling, etc.) of using a single model... far more accurate detection of the intentions of other drivers, by using details like changes in tire direction that are typically below the threshold of our consciousness. Thanks for posting, really excited about this version.
Also head and hand movements of drivers and pedestrians
Yes. It can now use the information it sees directly instead of having to put it into a human-defined data format for another part of the system to react to.
I consciously look at the direction of tires to inform my decisions.
I noticed in the video that there seems to be some kind of replacement to the occupancy network on the screen. For example, at 2:02 if you watch the pedestrians on screen you can see some blobs around them. again at 3:18 the mobility scooter was being showed on screen as a blob.
Would be cool if Tesla could somehow track exterior honks per miles driven.
Nonetheless, V12 appears to be a step change improvement.
You have the best FSD videos on the internet. Keep up the good work and Thank you!
Wow, just wow. The parking lot performance was next level. V12 delivers as hoped! Actual smart summon and auto park will be worth every penny I paid for fsd alone.
One step closer to a fully auto driving system
I think, they are moved pass that.
@@cannonwills Key word "fully", as in you get in the car, tell it to take you somewhere and there are 0 interfere from the operator. "Fully" as in there is no driving wheel and the buyer doesn't need a driver's license. We are not there yet. Close, but not there. Maybe in 5 or less years.
@Vastfill ok you have a good point there from this perspective.
What do you have to say about the telsa stocks or shares??
@@cannonwills I'm not sure about Tesla stock or shares, but I believe that it's products will only get better from here on out in terms of self driving, especially with how V12 can learn infinitely. Personally I would buy and hold for the years to come.
This is absolutely phenomenal performance!! Attaching summon has to be the next move to this. It still needs to be able to reverse for sure
Something poetic about an AI circling around a parking lot forever
The inconsistency of speed is mainly due to the sensitive analysis of the road condition. I sometimes feel v11 robotically goes to fast on some bad roads.
We’ve had a few days of heavy rain and in a 45min drive all over Orange County FSD V12 never turned on the wiper blades. I noticed then when the rain is heavy, it didn’t turn them on. But when the rain is light and “misty”, turns them on. Fascinating
Its crazy to think that 99% of the population doesn't know about this...
This is mind blowing. Wow. What a step level improvement.
Your reviews have always been the first one I go to to evaluate a new version. You are truthful and have a tremendous amount of insight about the intricacies of each new release. And your summary at the end is always top-notch and informative. I know exactly what to look for in the next version just by watching your review. Thank you so much for doing what you do for Tesla, Tesla owners, and potential Tesla owners.
Kudos on posting this brilliant FSD V12 video! From busy Costco parking lot to the excellent narration to the balanced presentation of pros/cons - it’s stellar.
Damn tesla FSD beta is the best This is the best I have seen a full self-driving car do! The fact how it was in the parking and the u-turn is AMAZING!
Very impressive. I hadn’t realised, but being in the UK and in Europe, we know the roads here are significantly more challenging than most of the US.
So I’ve long thought that the FSD we see navigating US junctions that look like airfield runways to us… well, that there’s no chance of it working here in the UK.
But seeing that car deal with Costco and just how complex that real world situation example was, how must crap it had to deal with … I’m now much more convinced one day FSD could cope with some of our high streets with all the random goings on and tight gaps that we need to squeeze through at times.
Seriously impressive.
In a year FSD will be driving with 1-5 cm tolerance. Better than 95% of humans.
Tight streets will be fine very soon.
It fails to spot the speed humps, and the trolleys (2:28), and this is only going slowly. It also misses the mobility scooter with a trolley at 3:18, a pedestrian at 3:27. I stopped watching at this point, but they definitely have a lot of work to do.
This is where the competition were last year. th-cam.com/video/oKYQdjbrZi4/w-d-xo.html
Well done.. By breaking down and calling out specifics, this video very nicely shows and evaluates the new features.This is probably the best with consumable and digestible info. Thanks for this. I know this must have taken you some time to compile. Can wait to get the download now myself.
Great! Thanks for getting the first video out so fast. Now I look forward to 12.3.
Your perfect narration finally adds all the context we were waiting for. By far the best and most useful demos. Keep them coming please.
wow. this video.. of all the videos i've seen of impressive self-driving, i think the car handling the parking lot in general was probably the most impressive thing i've seen. how natural and humanlike it is is insane, and it threading the needle when some cars are parked but wanting to move out is basically just casually confident driving imo. it handles the parking lot better than i would have. if we see several more months of this level of improvement we might see real self-driving, at a level far far improved to waymo
Still the best channel for FSD updates that actually gives concise and useful information.
Honestly I think your reviews are the best. Well done and keep going !
As much as I appreciate Mars videos of FSD 12 over the last few weeks I'm incredibly happy to see other's perspectives/views of how FSD 12 handles roads outside of SF. Granted SF is one of the more complicated cities to drive in with so many hills and pedestrians, however there are tons of other scenarios that it doesn't have. Would love to see how FSD 12 handles NY city, downtown D.C., or snow for example.
So today on FSD 12, which I can say feels like such an amazing upgrade so far from my testing, I did have a moment where my M3LR drove directly for a cone in a parking lot. I let it go very late until I was certain it was going to hit the cone before I stopped it. Little bit of a let down, but still everything else is so much improved I can't complain
Well, it has a mind now, so maybe just didn't like that particular cone.
Great video! Yes that was one of the first things I noticed in the V12 release notes..
"FSD V12 has upgraded the City Street Stack" and I was like huh they must not be comfortable with the single stack on the highways yet kind of like they did when they first released FSD city streets only
Really nice overlay! Thanks for great video and commentary.
I just changed my 2020 model x performance for a 2024 long range and transferred over my full self-driving and Lifetime supercharging and wow wow wow what a huge difference in the self-driving it went from your grandmother driving to a 16-year-old kid with his license for the first time what a huge improvement I just can't believe it...
Yeah, the scary thing is a grandmother and 16 year old behind the wheel - you focus on the wrong side of the thing you have just said.
@@10secondsrule - True, but the grandmother is only going to get worse over time, and the 16-year-old will (usually) improve. What he was focused on is that FSD is likely to continue its rapid improvement to *great* driving.
Brilliant video, yours are the best I have come across. Thanks for making them.
Where have all the trolls gone? Under their bridge of denial?
Amazing performance. Amazing video. Thank you.
No they are still here. But it's good someone is questioning the capabilities. There is a room for discussion this way.
It's scary to realize these are on the road.
@@IntegerOfDoom why?
It is very impressive, but there is still a ton of work to do.
@@Nadzap the car is allrewdy perfect, the autopilot is just a cool extra feature you get from it, the only thing Tesla can improve is their build quality, but that just comes with the low price
THANK YOU for the U-turn test. I've been asking Omar for this test for quite some time now.
Looks really good on the whole! I guess it all comes down to how quickly the Tesla AI team can iterate and improve the FSD NNs and fix these small issues. I agree with you that the occupancy network or what is visualized on the screen is legacy code for us humans to get a glimpse of what is going on inside the NN, but it isn't actually what the NN is using for control. It is basically end to end, photons in, control out via a sequence of NNs (not sure if in parallel, series or some other arrangement). Also heard it confirmed elsewhere that highway is the old V11 stack. Although Omar seems to believe it is V12. I agree with you. Looks like the old stack.
Omar did say that in one of his most recent videos. But after seeing this I definitely think it’s a different stack
@@cameron1100
The FSD notes say the update is for city streets. Some people were assuming the notes were sloppy or incorrect, but it looks like they thought freeway is already good so focus on City
I think that it may be a somewhat tweaked version of V11 for highway. It seems to behave at least slightly different from the old V11, which is at least partly contributing to the confusion
Quite interesting to see. Also, the double overlay - *chefs kiss* - makes it SO MUCH easier to see how visualization and realworld works together
That Costco parking lot was a nightmare for any driver. It's amazing that it can handle it so well now. I'd say it's as good as a good student driver. Some iffy decisions. I would have backed up for the cop (if there was room behind me). And not gone by vehicles backing up (I have been hit by them before when I was STOPPED).
Very balanced thorough review as always! Thanks for posting!
PS: as an aside, I'm feeling kinda proud I got v12 the same time as you did (assuming you got it on 19th) :D haha! We navigated to a restaurant and I expect it to pull up by the side (based on the whole mars blog review), but it went into the parking. From your review I now realize that's a feature :) So exciting!
You make the best FSD videos by far.
Not surprising that a simple situation -- driving straight -- is the one situation where hard-coded heuristics can perform better than human style driving.
I can't imagine that they moved away from single stack in this version. Surely not.
Those part when its passing the semi and goes to the curb is UNREAL
This is probably the first time I watch the full length of these types of videos, FSD is incredible!!
Based on what you said about how much safer it is in parking lots and then how it can't keep a consistent speed in a straight line, it almost sounds like the safety factor they've increased is affecting it in a straight line. Almost like it is being a little too cautious in an uncomfortable setting
mind blown on the extremely variable situations being handled so well.
2:36 really impressed
Wow! I was very sceptical on Robotaxi, but after seeing version 12, it seems a matter of when rather than if.
Now that they've transitioned to neural network training instead of C++ codes, I believe there will be rapid improvements with shorter release cycles,
and FSD will be a beast, even by year end.
5:47 Impressive!
More, give us more .... :-). Thank you again for a great video. This FSD version performs incredible
Awesome video mate, can't wait to try this in Australia!
Great video, as always! :)
Also, and I mean no offense by this, but I was happy to see a retuen to the old format, where it was all driving video with no face time :) At least to me, that format feels much more immersive.
Thanks, great overview, and totally agree with your assessment. The new and remaining issues seem very addressable.
This version is better than most drivers. This is absolutely amazing. I'm kind of mind blown.
2:40 pedestrians in parking lot in general, most potent !WOW! moment for me, honestly I'd have driven that 2:40 worse half the time and I take proper driving seriously.
(((more rural, I can usually afford to wait for pedestrians)))
My guess for the inconsistent speed would be that it drives at whatever speed it believes would allow it to stop fast enough if some emergency or unexpected thing were to occur. The road is straight forward but the surroundings and hills change as it goes so the space ahead/around it can see is increasing and decreasing a bunch.
My guess is that if it's trained on humans then that makes sense. People are terrible at maintaining a set speed and it's gotten worse with phone usage while driving. I'm interested in how they solve for this problem.
Been waiting for you to get V12, impressive 🔥
Wow, very impressive and thanks for the upload
Great video. Makes me excited about what comes in future versions. Keep up the good work!
I don’t own a Tesla but love watching the progression to fully autonomous vehicles in real time with these updates! The confidence in V12 is so much better than V11, it is making much more human decisions!
Jelly
I think it’s insane that it hasn’t been sent to the original early access testers. Hopefully you get it soon man
One of us! One of us!
Here's the facts:
Our 2022 Tesla S & 2023 Tesla X have both the latest FSD software, used both of them today, and we almost had 2-3 times accident (each car).
It even used the BIKE LANE and almost bumped the people in their lane.
My wife shouted TWICE when we did it in my 2022 Tesla S PLAID, and when I tested the 2023 Tesla X Long Range she didn't come with me anymore.
I noticed that this so called TH-camrs LYING to us, as they only share the video they think is better than the other ones.
I'm still freaking out when I think about those people biking that we almost hit, and my car JUMPED on the DIP and I thought I broke something on the bottom of my car.
Bring your car here in Austin, and I'll bet my life that you will have so many Phantom Braking, Merging in the wrong lane, etc ................
If you will rely on it, you will DIE, period.
Have a great day to y'all!
Still the best FSD content, no contest.
Very helpful video. I sppreciate your honest, balanced assessment of current FSD capabilities
The one we've all been waiting for.
And yet, as ever, my main reaction is to ask how fast it will improve. Though there's a definite extra piquancy to that question now : )
Proving once again the best FSD Beta videos anywhere online. Calling balls and strikes.
Man that parking lot performance is amazing - no negatives for me.. Can't wait! Oh man that parking lot scene of it looping is priceless. My wife says it reminds me of the Netflix movie, sigh... Overall this build is approved from me, I can handle the small regressions, I figured they would ignore highway for now as there's an entire safety level requirement to flip that switch, and damn that parking lot.. Makes me wonder how it will handle my parking garage - v11 just don't bother - and my gate in and out, at this point it wants to run into it and get in the way of it opening..
Totally agree. Some people may disagree with how the car handles round pedestrians but they would have the world wrapped in bubble foam. Good to see sense and practicality prevail 💪
Really enjoyed the first review. Many many thx and will be waiting for the next one 😊
Wow I was skeptical of V12, this is a great step forward
This is awesome.. really like how it just creeps smoothly through the aisle with lots of things going on. just like I would do. no jerk of car and nocrazy steering wheel movements. Keep going through parking lots and feed the lion. v12.69 is going to be lit!!!
Spot on comments as always. Awesome edition. Thank you buddy
Again--this is what I was waiting for.
Amazing summary! Jam-packed, just the way I like it - considerate of my time (the viewer).
Great video and testing, got more out of the first 5 minutes than I have from others just driving to restaurants over the past few weeks.
So thank you for the ride along, as V12 seems to be getting closer to what one would expect a true AGI system would look like. However, that windshield wiper problem, absolutely needs to be fixed, and for the life of me I don’t understand why that’s still such an issue.
So I am looking for to having V12, and I hope more people get it soon, but I am definitely impressed with what you’re demonstrating here, even with the regressions you’ve identified. Cheers 🥂
One of the members of the Tesla team mentioned in response to a tweet that an improved version should be going out soon
@@alexp.6406 🤣🤣🤣
This is absolutely incredible. I've been following these videos for a while now and it used to be so bad. Crazy to see the improvements. Side by side of similar situations in previous versions would be really cool to see. Or like a video of just one situation type and it goes sequentially through the versions showing the incremental (or not) improvement. Maybe later tho when we are even closer to full hands off.
not you starting the video off with my local Costco I go to every week haha. I recognize the buildings across the street. great vid, I didn't realize you were based that close to me!! Super cool seeing your self driving videos in areas I go to all the time!
I will never use autopilot but this is really cool how far Tesla is ahead of everybody
You would rather drive drunk or take a taxi rather than having your car drive you home from a pub?
@@NaxmarsVideos what
You shouldn't even be near the drivers seat while drunk@@NaxmarsVideos
I can tell you treated your windshield with repellent, love how it improves the view in the rain.
You made it all the way to the end! Thanks for watching
Great review. You are very dedicated and thorough in your test and narration. Keep up the good work. We love it.
Elon mentioned that all these problems will be solved in V12.3 coming “in 2 week”!
Still waiting impatiently for our V12.1.2 on MS.
6:00 it's blind to the speedbumps as you can see in the screen, it would keep the slow speed no matter what. The cameras are too low res, it doesn't have a lidar to see the indents, and it also has no gyroscope to feel the bumps when it goes over. It also doesn't have a microphone or humidity sensor to feel that the road is wet.
You dont know how good those cameras are. They can see many minute details including speed bumps.
Gyroscopes don't feel bumps, accelerometers do; and Tesla have accelerometers. And it doesn't need to hear or feel that the road is wet, any more than you do; it can see that the road is wet.
Great coverage. Crazy to see these improvements. I have V12 and am gonna take it for a longer spin today. Hoping to experience more smooth straightaways!
Mind blown officially 🤯🤯🤯🤯
Thank you very much for the speed bump update
Outstanding coverage!
Wrt to the variable speed on highways, it appears to be slowing slightly as it approaches intersections to check for cross-traffic, then it accelerates back up to its previous speed once it crosses the intersection. That is probably intentional, and is likely the safe thing to do.
Thank you so much. As always, the best FSD videos out there!
I also think the freeway is of v11 stack. You can see the speed changed from auto to the user programmed speed as soon as it entered the freeway and changed back to auto once it exited the freeway. Great Video, thank you!
Wow, I say it is now better than a small but significant % of all drivers!
Another outstanding video. Thanks 🙏
Thanks for watching!
a lot of talent on display. Keep up the good work Tesla
I love how you’re totally happy with live testing Teslas “self driving” in a busy car park with pedestrians walking everywhere. You have so much faith in this junk-ware
Best FSD Videos on the Net ❤
excellent work, and im very glad you have the software.
Super informative. Thank you!
Love your Videos. Love to interact with you on X. You are just THE best FSD TH-cam
Appreciate that, thank you!
This is really impressive
Okay. That's the first time I've seen an FSD video and said "Wow" to myself.