How Norway Built An EV Utopia While The U.S. Is Struggling To Go Electric | CNBC Documentary
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- Norway boasts the highest electric vehicle adoption rate in the world. 82% of new car sales were EVs in Norway in 2023. In comparison, 7.6% of new car sales were electric in the U.S. last year, according to Kelley Blue Book estimates. The Norwegian government started incentivizing the purchase of EVs back in the 1990s, but it wasn’t until Tesla and other EV models became available about ten years ago that sales really started to take off. Norway’s capital, Oslo, is also electrifying its ferries, buses, semi trucks and even construction equipment. Gas pumps and parking meters are being replaced by chargers. It’s an electric utopia of the future. CNBC flew across the globe to meet with experts, government officials and locals to find out how the Scandinavian country pulled off such a high EV adoption rate.
Chapters:
2:01 - Incentives and subsidies
11:51 -Charging and energy stations
20:54 - Charging anxiety
20:56 - Next phase of Norway’s EV transition
32:08 - Lessons for the U.S.
Produced and Shot by Jeniece Pettitt
Edited and Shot by Erin Black
Additional Camera and Drone by Magdalena Petrova
Animation by Jason Reginato
Senior Production Manager Kathy Mavrikakis
Winter Footage Nikita Gavrilovs
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How Norway Built An EV Utopia While The U.S. Is Struggling To Go Electric | CNBC Documentary
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Norway has almost 1.5 trillion dollars of reserve for its population of 5.5 million. What a country.
Easy when you export gas and have unlimited green energy.
The US could do better if they tried....they just have too much division amongst themselves
@@bobby6ix
US has about six million people who have at least one million dollars, but in general people, regular people that is aren't wealthy because of division and inequality
Sound financial management.
yep but sadly it's only possible for small nations.
if a big country like the usa decided to do the same and invest just as much per citizen then that fund would be 95.5 trillion dollars and no market could absorb up that amount of money.
the only reason it works for nations such as norway or Saudi Arabia is because they have big resource deposits and small populations.
bigger economy's sadly need to rely on manufacturing and development to make money instead of relying on their natural resources since their resource deposits aren't big enough to create a fund of 95.5 trillion dollars to cover a population of 350 million.
so it has nothing to do with the military like many people in the comments seem to think, even if america stopped spending money on the military and saved that money for a trust fund for its people it would take 70+ years to build up that fund.
it must be nice to live in a country where the government actually helps the people.
As a norwegian I would not know since the gouverment in reality only cares about themself and money
People keep voting the same expecting something different
our gov helps the people too, except it is the top 1%, cause the top 1% funded the people into office, which is the root cause of the challenge in our political system, cause lobbying will only create greed and corruption!
Why would we need help from the government ever? No.
It is also not that difficult in a country with a surplus on the state finances - a trade surplus that is sky-high considering that we are only 5.5 million people. The Norwegian state only uses modestly up to 3% of your saved fund - which is rising at record speed and has available values of $1.55 trillion or $275,000 for every person living in the country.
It's refreshing to hear from competent people in government and in the public.
What an amazing reporter! She asked excellent questions and explored a depth of sources.
As an norwegian myself, I thought the same. Investigating pros and cons, asking gouvernment officials, EV-owners, people with economic interest like in cars sales, parking and charging. Checking ut any earlier or current problems with the whole user system, its incitaments. Well balanced, and not gloryfying. Pointing out this «mess» with all the types of apps for charging, but altso showing the solutions ahead.
She was pretty obviously trying to get people to that EVs have drawbacks. They always leave out all the ICE car drawbacks
What is the main cash earning of norway? oil... If you sell what is bringing your income ? what happens?
Norway is just doing the logic...lets other people pollute the world , eran a lot of money and I use electricity without using my precious oil. I am sure that they lobby in the USA and other countries to continue polluting the wold. Do they want to the world to stop consuming oil...NOOOOO. People are so naive
Propaganda piece.
I love when she says "some people can't afford new car" with $100k Range Rover in shot 🤣🤣🤣
..and the "I need a Range Rover since our Hut is in the mountains" was hillarious.
It's a pretty common misconception for people living in Holmenkollåsen or Røa (west in Oslo).
Btw:we also have a hut in the (Norwegian) mountains, and we drive our Nissan Leaf there...
@@erik5820lol, me too. Electric is so much better for driving in mountains! Finally going down the mountain is not an experience of smell of grinding break disks and roar of engine on low gear 😆, It also goes well uphill due to high torque :)
Thats a $10k range rover.
ICE cars are expensive in Norway, but that model seems to be older for sure@@OtisFlint
That's a used range rover and it's price has taken a dumpster dive
People are pointing out the fact that Norway is very resourceful country but failed to mention not having many corrupted politicians.
There is corruption in Norwegian politics. Smaller scale due to smaller population and it is kept very quiet and not blabbed about every night on CNN.
@@inquisitor4635 Norway has a free press that loves to expose corruption. You have to be an angel of the highest rank to survive in Norwegian politics.
Just like every other country!
@tenslider6722 . could you please tell me five acurrenses where this have happened (this must be with the politicians, not husman or wife). Tell me how much they gained it. and then go back and check in the US or other countries for the same thing. How damaging have that been I must ask.
@@biobuble1327 Very easy, every poor cities in the United States has had a corrupt elected official who spend the city budget on BS, take bribes money to line their pockets. plenty small countries in Africa has resources that could make them richer than Norway but corrupt officials team up with the official from the west to rob their own countries.
I am thoroughly impressed with the Norwegian government, residents and the absolute beauty of the country.
True! Truly an admirable country!!!
Yeah, they seem to have their s*** together.
What the most
Lady-led Nation
gets ya. Similar,
for the region -
as a whole 👍!
You and everyone else who loves this comment must have never been to Norway or educated yourself on Norwegian history. Norway was “given” to the “Vikings” by the Germans. They realized they couldn’t grow anything pretty quick and took to the seas and the trade market in the south. The people are only as competent as your opinions will get you. You think any opposition is not competent. The government lies cheats steals and lies to its people.
Norway is an annoyingly perfect example of what can be achieved when you do everything right and get lucky with finding resources.
We are not "lucky" for finding resources. We just spend the money we make wisely. Dont forget we also have some of the highest taxes in the world as well.
Ya in a relatively small country with one of the highest capita per person in the world along with massive government subsidies. Sure then it's possible where most people can actually afford it and are well educated. This doesn't work in the US with a bunch of broke people barely able to make their monthly rent payment. Just saying.
😂 Even in Denmark they have higher salaries than here in Norway
The Us in the number ONE when it comes to oil production. But your gouverment doenst really know how to do anything. Asuming you are american
@@BillAnt Norway was absolutely poor 80 years ago. Just like South Korea. The US was extremely rich in the 50s-60s. They could have invested this money to the people and you wouldn't struggle today.
Norway is the definition of "don't get high on your own supply".
Love that clueless trolling. Please keep it coming
Good point. They are against using oil themselves but don't mind helping others to release CO2. If they really were environmental they'd close their oil industry.
Word 👊
@@wayland7150 Norwegian oil and gas industry have most likely one of the cleanest mining and refining systems. If they stopped mining it, their customer countries would just switch to other oil and gas sources, which would be most likely mined and processed dirtier than in Norway.
@@wayland7150 Agreed 100%. Norway should stop selling dirty oil, and instead expand their offshore wind and sell the electricity to Europe.
Largest oil driller with the highest EV adoption, boy that's ironic
It's an intelligent way of using their oil wealth.
They're selling the oil to the old world while they build a utopia.
I don't really see the irony since we need oil for way more (and) important things than powering cars. Planes, ships, plastic production, medicine production, lubricants, ...
EVs are not the end of Oil, just the end of wasting a huge part of it
They have plentiful hydropower. They don't need the oil for themselves.
@@martalli if they didn't had oil they wouldn't be rich and they couldn't afford the charging infrastructure
Great video, this is good journalism! I am norwegian, and I'm on my third EV car. I will never go back to fossil fuel, not just because of the "green" advantages, or the favourable economics, but simply because I think EV cars is a superior technology. They are better cars, simpler technology, less maintance, far more energy efficient,
LOL, brainwash level HARD :))
@@drfeelgood6646 can you tell us which part is wrong?
@@drfeelgood6646 Funny how people claiming this is the result of brainwashing fully ignore that most of us EV owners have owned ICE-vehicles before, so unlike the likes of you we're speaking from experience.
Why have you gone thru' 3 EVs already, and what became of your old EVs - how are they recycled?
@@robotnik77 There's this thing called used car sales. It's great, it let's you buy a used car at a reduced price compared to a new one.
Unless it's a collectible car, then it could be more expensive than a new one, though the new ones are usually no longer available.
CNBC is on a roll with these really in-depth and well produced mini reports/documentary videos. Very informative and dives into detailed questions.
As long as it’s not Big Pharma related, we see good documentaries. God forbid it be about vaccines, then Big Pharma steps in with their version of “truth”. This was a well made documentary
Until we start trust them, and they start pushing propaganda. But indeed, i kinda enjoyed this
More a of a small plunge on a pool...Nobody's really diving... ask them where all the Lithium and Cobalt come from!? It's nice to have a clean and modern country while contributing to slavery and polution on poor countries!
This is what happens when a government works for the good of the people first, not for corporations.
First comment that I read that's fairly on point. Yes, Norway is rich, yes Norway drills oil...Saudi Arabia do the same but no one cares, so why the need to point this out? It proves it can be done, with the right politics
@@mattiafrancescobruni8318stop. Get help.
I feel like a major point people are ignoring is how concentrated their population is towards the south making the infrastructure easier to build. Charging stations is one of the biggest holdups in the US. Had a friend get some Ford EV sedan and we don’t have a compatible charger within 50 miles. He returned it within a week and drives a Camry now.
@@mattiafrancescobruni8318
I agree with you. Just Americas have a sense of disingenuousness. As if one has to be an absolute angel or an absolute devil. No room for compromise or nuanced understanding. "Look Norway pumps the most oil...." In American eyes, if you're doing good, everything you do has to be good as if you're Jesus. If you're bad,....it's all justified...you're just bad. As if you're Satan...
American Purity..
Pure good, Pure Evil.
it's crazy how people have to justify the failure of the U.S. stop justifying and demand action.
less noise in the city is the biggest thing ever
In America chest pounding males would figure out to add a big noise maker on an ultra quiet electric car to protect their insecurity in their manhood.
Less noise😂 No, still noisy
@@Oystein87struggling with the meaning of “less”?
@@jacquie212 Nope... Just can't say it's "less" either...
@@Oystein87 unless they are literally quieter than gasoline cars. Which they are.
I have an EV , a Kia E Niro in the UK, I would never have another petrol or diesel car. This is so much easier to drive, less noisy and if on a long trip I need to stop and charge up before the car! So as I am stopping I plug in and charge. I have never needed to stop just for the car to be charged on a long trip. Also charging at home costs me 1 tenth of the cost at a filling station. So a massive saving. Also very little maintenance and tyres last very well depending how much of that instant torque you use!
A very interesting article.
I guess you’re still in the EV honeymoon period. These things can break within 2 years and 14K miles used.
@@jamsbong Funny, I am just under 3 years and 30,000 miles still getting the same range as when new.
@@Jaw0lf just sharing my colleagues real experience. He leased the Kia EV and it is totally dead in less than 2 years with 14K miles. He had to towed it to the dealer and dealer gave him a rental EV.
Moreover, there have been news that a light hit under the car is enough to require a full battery pack replacement. Which costs 60K, in other words, more than the price of the whole car.
@@jamsbong Break within 2 years? So, just like an ICE car then…
@@cerdicw9998 I guess KIA cars don’t last long in general
Very nice reportage. We've had an EV for 4 years and we'll never go back. However, we're privileged to live in a city with thousands of chargers and a province with a lot of fast chargers that work well.
Ya, charging 10% to 75% in 15 minutes sounds great, but when I go refill my car I go from 10% to 100% in under 5 minutes. Makes me chuckle when they say charging to 75%. lol
@@BillAnt 10-75% in 15 minutes is still an achievement technology-wise if you take into consideration where the technology started. However, there are already batteries that can charge in 5 minutes but they're still experimental.
Look at it this way: with a petrol car you have to fill up at the pump, and it *always* costs 5 minutes (excluding time to get to a petrol station). With an EV, you typically charge at home, so that doesn’t cost any time at all - plug in and you have a full “tank” every morning. I find myself using fast chargers only a dozen times a year or so, which adds up to much less time than I used to spend going to petrol stations. Anecdotal, I realize that, but still for me this feels like an improvement, not a step backwards.
@@BillAnt Small update, now you can charge at 500 kW thanks to a company called Gravity Mobility. Most cars in North America can charge up to 350 kW but some cars in China can charge up to 400-500 kW. Then you'd be able to charge in around 5 minutes.
@@sebastian.tristan And destroy your battery in the process. The more you fast charge the shorted Wil be your battery life. The depreciation of your EV will be astronomical and no one will want to buy it due to battery degradation.
So basically, Norway is like if the owner of a gas station buy a Tesla 😂😂
no, "a gas station in the world except Norway". small difference.
no, a gas station owner who owns a tesla......Norway goverment get tons of money because they sell oil to europe and with that money offer incentives to buy electric cars.....@@biobuble1327
@@biobuble1327 no, because norways wealth is all down to oil. look at how different the wealth of the nation was before the discovered it in the last 50-60 years
No, Norway is like a layabout who inherits billions from an unknown relative, encouraging others to insist that being a layabout is the way to go.
@@03056932 It wasn't some poor hellhole backwater though. It was already a functional country with democracy, educated populace and some wealth already. Thats why they managed to avoid ending up like a lot of the other oil states.
Wow, this is the first GOOD bit of journalism I've seen from CNBC in YEARS! The presenter was well prepared, asked the right questions and gave a complete holistic view from end to end. Other journalists should take note, someone needs to give this journalist a raise!
Its biased propaganda
@DutchmanSeb I wasn't that impressed. The battery lifespan issue is very real and a big concern, not only for new buyers, but for the 2nd hand market too. This video absolutely glossed over it. All they covered about it was some random guy claiming his 8 years old Tesla S, with 200k km on the clock, lost only 3.5% of its battery, which is completely absurd... And they also mentioned Norway has some facilities for recycling batteries, but didn't even bother to mention how much of the battery is actually recycled. Meanwhile, people I know with EVs have lost >= 20% of their battery in just a few years and are looking at exorbitant fees to replace the battery. That kind of stuff really puts me off from buying an EV.
@@XLR8bg Lol you are not impressed because of the journalism being good or bad. You weren't impressed because it didn't meet your already deeply ingrained set of pre-conceived biases. A literal exact list of all the same overwhelmingly overused, reused, old and tired (DEBUNKED) talking points that have been regurgitated by the fossil fuel lobby for years. Its even more obvious because you all even reused the same false data.
Battery Recyling is already at extremely high levels and has no problem getting to over 97% of the materials in degraded & spent batteries being recycled into completely new refreshed 100% efficiency batteries. A process that can be done indefinitely...just like with materials like copper that has a supply chain mainly based on recycled material because the cost structure is better than the cost of mined material.
There is no "battery lifespan issue". In its current form they already outlast their internal combustion engine counterparts and that's with way less maintenance along the way. And those numbers will only improve. We already have batteries that will last 1 million miles before they reach a stage that they need to be replaced. and even then those can get another 10+ years in a second use for stationary batteries before they need to be completely recycled...back into brand new batteries. Not only is this already more cost effective...it doesn't even need policy to force it because it is ALREADY lucrative enough to the battery industry to recycle the batteries on their own, which is why companies have already been created with private money long before we have even reach the time period where these battery packs will start reaching end-of-life en mass.
Even with your made up anecdotal evidence of "people you know" losing 20% of their batter in just a few years while all the ACTUAL evidence says otherwise and even before they mass switch to LFP for standard performance vehicles which batteries will degrade even slower than now. Just because you were successfully gaslit and fooled by fossil fuel propaganda doesn't mean you have to keep letting yourself be fooled when the real evidence overrides yours...
@@XLR8bgnot propaganda at all the batteries consistently handle of 300k miles. Only alway you lose a lot of range is if you fast charge up to 100% a lot. Mine is 5 years old and has about 88% of its original range, even after a lot of fast charging. If it a Tesla gets to 70% they replace the battery for free within 8 years. Electric cars are so much better in every way (other than charge time). Like the dude at the end said, once you go electric there’s no going back
@@XLR8bg I think perhaps you've been speaking to people with inferior electric cars, it's true that most early adopter attempts at electric vehicles were not very well made. They did not have a BMS (battery management system) neither did they have battery thermal management systems to heat or cool the batteries, what results is that the battery gets too hot while charging, destroying cells, it also gets too cold in winter killing cells, that means that 20-30% of your battery dies after fast charger and driving through winter. The cars of today are far more advanced and have learned from these mistakes. That doesn't mean they are perfect, but are improved. Tesla for e.g. has always had these systems since the first Model S.
Thank you for this report about EVs in Norway. However, you forgot a very important part of the EV history in Norway. That is Morton Harket.
The Norwegian politicians didn't come to the idea of promoting EVs on their own. It was public pressure that made them grant facilities to EV owners.
Who is Morten Harket? He is probably the internationally best-known Norwegian celeb from the field of entertainment. He is the lead singer of the band A-ha, which was very successful in the 80s and 90s. In the early 90s, he, supported by his other band members, also became known as an environmental activist. He started an action of civil disobedience by buying an EV and going around in Norway to promote EVs and granting facilities for EV owners. Therefore he didn't pay any toll or parking fees. Since he was a well-known celeb, that wasn't left unnoticed in the media and was becoming increasing media coverage for his actions. His EV was confiscated by the government to cover the unpaid toll and parking fees and was auctioned by the government.
The auction was won by a happy "new" owner: Morten Harket, who got growing public support for his continuing charade, and eventually, the government gave in and started subsidising EVs and easing some rules, especially for EV users.
As a norwegian I have to say that I have never heard anyone call a gas station an "energy station" 😅. Good video though, very comprehensive.
Imagine living in a country where the leadership looks long term and manages money well. What an amazing dream that is coming from the USA. 😮😮
You think it’s the same size country?
Norway has bi-partisan support when it comes to clean air.
USA had bi-partisan support when it comes to war.
That's what you need to know.
US Pays for their wars! This is where most of its taxpayers money goes.
And there is always a war somewhere.
Goverments can always chose;
spend on charging - there will be a lot of new Jobs
Spend on war - there will be a lot of dead spliders/ kids
How much money are they giving to Ukraine?
I’m from California and it’s true that we have a lot of EVs but what struck me with Norway is the variety of brands that sell EVs. So many European brands I’ve never heard of have very good EVs. That also seem to be the case in China. Whereas American brands struggle with high prices and limited models. Very informative and the journalist asked very good questions. Good job!
Most of the ones on the top 10 list they showed are available in the US!
Oh yeah. Chinese brands are expanding into western countries rapidly, BYD is blowing the competition out of the water right now. Nio is trailing behind, but even they have over 2200 automated battery swap stations with a couple other manufacturers signing on so it will be interesting to watch how that evolves.
Where I live there's not much going on as far as ev infrastructure or adoption so the conversation falls flat. But it's impossible to deny the rapid adoption in the rest of the world.
@@MsBigact Not in big numbers. What's worse is not with the right connector. We need the fast charging infrastructure, that ALL EVs can use, then all kinds of EVs can be sold. Longer range will be desired by most people in the US vs elsewhere, but there's no reason that cannot be achieved.
VW, BMW, Skoda, Kia and so on have very good electric cars and ofc Tesla!
@@kylegusek BYD is not blowing anything out of the water, and let's hope it stays that way.
In the UK the problem is the price of electricity. Plus range anxiety. They're becoming more common for local travel rather than long distance
If an EV works in a country with the vast stretches of road like Norway,range cannot be an issue in the UK consider how small the UK is.
have you seen norwegian prices?
@@FrygiskThat depends on population density of those "empty areas" as well as commutes. If 95% of travel in Norway happens in 2% of it's landmass, then EVs become way more viable.
One thing of concern too is the climate. EVs really struggle in cold and hot temperatures. Can't imagine the climate in Norway as being EV friendly.
The UK has a vast road network with twice as many electric cars , its a massive job to get the electric infrastructure in place. How many roads run the the length of Norway 1 or 2 isn't it. @@Frygisk
To be clear, in the UK many drivers use EVs for regular long journeys.
Just have to say, I love your doco's on you tube 💜 So informative and they just present the facts 😘 Also love that I can access them basically anywhere in the world 😍
22:15 in portugal ALL public chargers MUST be connected to a SINGLE NETWORK managed by the state. so you only use 1 card or app to charge in ANY charger. and providers get their money too without any issue. there's no such problem as this bs
that is great. Thanks for sharing
Honestly, I don't understand why even an app or card is needed. I use neither to charge my Tesla at a Tesla supercharger. Just plug in and walk away to pee and get a coffee. Easier than a gas pump. The car should be able to identify itself to the charger; save all this silly faff.
@@bearcubdaycareThe problem is that not all EV makers thought on that, so most cars can't identify themselves to the charger. Tesla works for Teslas...other cars don't on Tesla chargers.
In North America, that NETWORK will be owned by Tesla which will have control over how much YOU pay.
@@StephenShawCanada North America isn't limited to one network bud
Where is Bjørn Nyland? That lady came to Norway unprepared!
Shh eee ttt ... they aren't aware of him.
@@StephenShawCanada 🤣
ABC CNBC. Always Bjørn Contacting.
Bjørn is out on another 1,000-km challenge, spending nearly an entire day driving around to test a new battery electric vehicle. That's around 620 miles -- how long would it take you to drive that many miles in a day? Meanwhile, anti-EV TH-camrs like MGUY Australia sit in their little studios at home, reading off articles about all of the problems with battery electric vehicles, spending perhaps half an hour per day. And getting like three to five times as many views as Bjørn is. Not really kidding at all. Battery electric vehicles really don't work for a whole lot of people -- unless, I suppose, government builds infrastructure that allows EVERYONE to charge at home, and provides incentives to the tune of making electric vehicle purchases around half the price of combustion vehicle purchases. Norway has the highest per-capita income ON THE ENTIRE PLANET, with a population a bit over 5 million people. It's an entirely different situation than what's going on in any other country on the planet.
Is there any point in talking to an EV propaganda Bjorn Nyland?
In Norway, the general rate for value added tax is 25%, for foodstuffs 15%, and for e.g. a. passenger transport, hotel accommodation and cinema tickets 12%.
But new EVs have zero added tax, that is, for vehicles with a sticker price of approximately less than US $50,000. Any amount above that threshold is taxed at 25%.
This doesn't seem high to me. This is roughly the same tax in most EU member states.
@@dimiathan I think that info is for americans, most states there don't have any value added tax
What about Vodka ?
As long as I charge at home which I do 99,9% of the time. It's 3 times cheaper to run than the other diesel car that uses 0,5l on the mile.
...yup. And I get to do it 0,00% of the time...
I love Norway, on account of how well treated my friends and I were on a Interrail trip there, in our teen years. Not only were we impressed with the people, but also the amazing majestic sceneries, sceneries I've been fortunate enough to revisit twice in my life and that I hope to visit again before leaving this world. Also being an EV owner, it makes me quite proud that this "pet country" of mine is so advanced in what comes to electric mobility. One thing must be said, though: The money that makes Norway the richest country on earth in GDP per capita and allows them to fast track this transition?...Well, that money comes from exporting oil and gas to countries whose capitals are not as green and smoke free as Oslo.
I thought they sold tulips. 🌷🌷🌷🌷
@@Matthew_Loutner Dutch do that...
Do you think the world would use less oil if we stopped selling it?
Instead of the oil money being spent on skyscrapers in the middle east. etc.
Isn't it better the oil money gets spent on pushing the world towards a healthier planet. EV's is not the only thing Norway spends a lot of money on to improve the climate.
@@k.a.stensson Actually market economics says that the world would use less oil if you stopped selling it. The way that works is this:
If you stopped selling your oil, that would cause a reduction in the quantity supplied.
Reducing the quantity supplied pushes up the market equilibrium price.
A higher equilibrium price is a disincentive to buy and some people would cut back on their driving due to the higher price.
Having some people cut back on their driving adds up to the world using less oil.
Let me know if you have any more economics questions.
@@Matthew_Loutner it would NOT reduce the quantity.. because the middle east countries and Russia would just increase their output to cover the demand
“What should we do with our income from natural resources?”
Norway: Sovereign wealth fund
US: Tax breaks for the rich
They did it by thinking long term, but they have a long long history of this approach. Private enterprise gets profits for a long time, but eventually the asset comes back to the state and everybody gets to share it. End of the day a countries natural wealth belongs to everyone. Problem is once you have a culture it's hard to change it. In the US it's closer to everyman for himself , in Norway there is relatively more emphasis on leaving no man behind and on thinking long term. Seems to work quite well. Maybe in the US it is more likely to work at state level where people are more on the same page.
@@robertimrie3710We do not believe "a country's natural weather belongs to everyone." That is a subjective value judgment. (and socialist).
We believe that the natural resources belongs to the guy who digs it out of the ground. (private property rights). 🇺🇲✝
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@@Matthew_Loutner Bro learned what socialism is from fox news I'm not a socialist but you're not exactly helping capitalism with such rhetoric.
@@domerame5913 I am not here to "help capitalism." I am here to state true facts.
Socialism is dictatorship by an elite oligarchy who believes that they know what is best for your life and forces their idea of "good" on you whether you want it or not.
You are the child and your socialist government is your mother.
In a socialist country when you are sick, you call on your government (mother) and she wipes your nose for you.
When the socialist-government-mother hands out candy, she makes sure that it is an equal distribution; that everything is "fair" and nobody gets a piece larger than anybody else. Fairness is queen.
(Fox News dreams of the day they can keep up with me.)
@@Matthew_Loutner What would Jesus do? Get the bag obviously 💰
I like that they showed what a pain it is to use apps and get chargers to work all this technology and you still have to frig around for half an hour and ring the company just to get the charger to work, at least in this example I am sure others find it easier.
I’ve used rented EVs in Germany and the Netherlands and my experience with paying for charging has been quite annoying. Not only do you have to figure out if the charger in question even works with your existing credit card, app or RFID charging card/token, but also you have to figure out which company offers the best rate for it. I’m talking €0,39 versus €0,79 per kWh, for example. It is currently a Wild West scenario and screaming for regulation. Still, I kind of like this sort of treasure hunt and I will happily keep preferring EV rentals over tailpipe cars.
that's what you get with early adoption of technology I guess, I am sure in time they will sort out the problems with it. I dont think there is many paid chargers in the country I live Australia, and I think the tesla owners for the most part are charging at home.@@CX103
Unless you have a Tesla and charge at a Tesla supercharger. Then all you do is plug in and the charging starts. And they always work.
The EU comes to our aid here, with rules for e-roaming so that you can use your own solution to pay for any charger anywhere in EU/EEA, by 2027 at the latest.
Going through 2-3 electric cars in 10 years is not good…nor is it green.
Let us explain to this fool how it works here: When you get hired lots of companies offer a lease car. Which you can drive up to 5 years / 150.000 km. Then the car goes back to the lease company. It's not about green or not. It just gets sold on the second hand market or leased as a second hand car. So it will again be used. You think it goes to the scrapyard? You know really nothing right? That's how lots of people end up driving 3 cars in more than 10 years. Understood?
@@HermanWillems 😘
As a Dutchman, I am a bit surprised that even in Norway there are problems with paying. Here in the Netherlands you can pay in several ways. Credit card, App, RFID, autocharge (Fastned) However, you do not necessarily have to have the App or RFID from the same charging network as where you are going to charge. One app/RFID works for almost all charging stations. Most providers even work throughout Europe. Even if the data connection of the charging station does not work, you can simply charge with your RFID tag. The data is sent when the charging station is connected again.
We use RFID. but you need to associate that to an account/payment method. But for a tourist.....you have to do all that.
Norway 2011, first supercharger: Charging company: Credit cards are outdated, Apps is what everyone want to use. People: We want to use our Credit card.
Norway 2012 Charging company: Apps are what everyone want to use. People: We want to use our Credit card.
Norway 2013 Charging company: Apps are what everyone want to use. People: We want to use our Credit card.
Norway 2014 Charging company: Apps are what everyone want to use. People: We want to use our Credit card.
Norway 2015 Charging company: Apps are what everyone wants to use. People: We want to use our credit card.
Norway 2016 Charging company: Apps are what everyone wants to use. People: We want to use our credit card.
Norway 2017 Charging company: Apps are what everyone wants to use. People: We want to use our credit card.
Norway 2018 Charging company: Apps are what everyone wants to use. People: We want to use our credit card.
Norway 2019 Charging company: Apps are what everyone wants to use. People: We want to use our credit card.
Norway 2020 Charging company: Apps are what everyone wants to use. People: We want to use our credit card.
Norway 2021 Charging company: Apps are what everyone wants to use. People: We want to use our credit card.
Norway 2022 EU: You will have to install Credit Card reader: Charging company: But nobody wants that. People: WE WANT TO USE OUR CREDIT CARD!!!!!!
From 2024 all new chargers need to have a card reader so people can pay with cards.
It will eventually be on old chargers too.
@@dubious6718 Norway or the US?
norway. but its only for new installed ones. not the old.@@tijgerhaai3
Here's why: Norway generates so much electricity via hydropower and (more recently) wind power that they have the massive excess electric generating capacity to build a lot of EV charging stations.
In America, the grid and production capacity are massively underutilized most places except during a couple of hours a day of peak usage. 20-22 hours a day, most of the capacity sits unused.
And 90% of the population actually lives in the south eastern area… so they don’t have to drive very far ever.
@dirkfromhein
Nor do they need to. It's public transit is very well developed
@@bearcubdaycareokay, but the problem is people want to charge their cars at the same time.. During peak hours... So saying that the greatest underutilized during hours that don't want to charge is useless. And this is coming from the person that invested in this stuff and is going to benefit from it. You guys are paying all my bills. But whatever. Push ahead. I might be able to buy my own lambo soon instead of having to ask my mom... Not cool...
And all their forex is by selling dirty fossil fuels and so they are obsessed in creating a fake eco friendly image.
Great piece of journalism. Well done!
To summarize:
- cheaper to purchase
- cheaper to maintain and use (fuel, tolls, parking)
- great infrastructure
- population is more educated on EV ownership
US is lacking on #1, 3 and especially #4. Economic benefits always will be priority, environmental benefits are second
I see people claiming that this is just because Norway found oil in the 1970s. Well, Norway was electrified long before then. I've never heard of a Norwegian who had gas installed in their homes although some have them in mountain cabins. That is precisely because we had access to all the cheap electricity we needed very early. The massive investments in renewable energy began in 1909. It's why Norway became a global leader in energy intensive things like aluminium and hydrogen and nitrogen fertilizer, all of which requires enormous amounts of power. We always wanted electric cars, but they didn't exist. We even tried making EVs for a while, but the market was way too small. Oh, and I will not be spoken to about oil hypocrisy by an American; USA was a global oil giant for over a century before we even found oil.
Many Americans do not realize that the United States is the world's largest oil producer. It also consumes a lot, but it exports more than it imports.
Are you even educated? Scaling up things to the extant of the US is in another universe.
Yes, Norway went electric 100 years ago... which makes sense considering how the whole country is basically rivers and cliffs. There is a reason the biggest heavy water production plant was in Norway. Lots of hydropower
No one said the US hasn't benefited greatly from oil. Everyone knows that, everyone talks about that. The difference is few people know or acknowledge that about Norway as well. Sure, you invested in hydropower early on. That's because your geography lent itself to that. Norway is a tiny country with a tiny population and great geography. The US has great geography as well, but it is a massive country with a massive population, it would be impossible to implement 100% hydropower in the US, which is one of many reasons why it's silly to compare the two countries, which is what this video is about.
@@trizzybones True, the US has been a poor steward of our energy resources, both giving them away too cheaply to private interests (i.e. unlike Norway, the vast majority of energy resource wealth was privatized vs held in public trust) and subsidizing energy resources and upstream industries to the tune of many tens of trillions of dollars over the course of a century, making e.g. gas, cars, suburban homes etc... seem cheap, and inevitable. The shape and resource mix of our energy grids, the geography of our cities etc... wasn't inevitable or even mainly driven by the natural geography and demographics (not since ~1920s anyway) but rather by industry, lobbying, and individualism/a narrow conception of the commons.
Last year I drove from Oslo to Cape North and back on a Tesla Model 3. Charging wasn’t an issue at all even in the Arctic Circle. I guess almost 12 months later things are even easier
Bjørn would approve 👍🏻
Charging is not an issue with me either, i have 570 miles of range. When i do have to stop, im up and out in 3 to 5 minutes. It sure beats haveing to sit and stay awhile.
Did you just put a signature to your TH-cam comment?
@@Warpgatez Better now?
did you do it during winter or summer?
This was so well produced. Thanks CNBC for making this.
06:07 Look at that blue sky!☀️☁️☀️ I've only seen that in my city during the pandemic lock down😭.
The people complained, the government listened and made chargers commercials available in addition to ones from private companies. That's what i call a good government
Low corruption. You can't have superpacs
Easy to do that when a country has a population smaller than NYC
@@natilyfe and is oil-rich.
Norway is 30 times smaller than America only has a population of 5 million people... America has 332 million people. The American power grid could never handle this. Norway is around 90% renewable hydro energy. America doesnt have many dams and natural energy, most the power comes from coal and nuclear plants. so how would you supply the extra power needed from a higher demand caused by ev's? burn more coal? more nuclear power plants? it's not always as simple as black or white/yes or no... there are many things that people dont consider when talking about this subject.
@@hairlessvulture9501 Definitely makes sense. It's just the sheer determination of the Norwegian government toward the welfare of their people that I find very commendable
I live in New Hampshire. I bought a Kia EV6 two months ago to replace an old Subaru Outback. The EV6 is the best car I've ever owned. I do most of my charging at home, but Kia has a deal with Electrify America that gave me 1000 kWh of charging for free for the first 3 years. Even without that free electricity, I'm saving 60% by buying electricity instead of gasoline to go each mile. I love it!
Where does your electricity come from.....my fellow Americans don't seem to understand that almost all of their electricity comes from fossil fuels and ignore the all of the components that are mined overseas to make their janky electric vehicle......thank God most Americans reject these over priced blah vehicles that no one is buying.
kilometre . . .
Thats about 6250 km for free, does not sound much but someone should not look at the horses teeth if the horse is for free.
@@hermes667 Fair enough!
Super. For now. Wait until EVERYONE is mandated one. The grid goes down for months and you have to wipe your ass in total darkness. Good luck.
Fantastic piece. Deep, broad views and very enlightening about EVs. Thank you.
Really an amazing work, telling about the experience of a country that achieved high standards and volume of electrification of the transport system, how they got to this point, all the problems they had to surpass and a reflection about what to do in other countries. I recommend to watch it, it's very instructive. 👏👏👏
People can dump on Norway for problems they may encounter going EV, or being a large oil exporter, but the key difference is they see new problems and work to find solutions for them vs using lobbying to dump the same garbage, which in and of itself is quite remarkable
Well, yes, you can probably make pigs fly with enough subsidies, tax breaks, taxing alternatives to death etc.
I'm from Oslo, and I don't see how this is improving anything. The air quality was already good before EVs became a thing, and EVs are dirty to both produce and dispose off.
and your a Democrat
@@hevnervalsAre you being paid by the oil industry?
@@lcama5178 I wish
I THINK I remember that back in 1994 - we saw that in Australia as something to aspire to, BUT, someone kept dragging their knuckles for EV uptake and look how far we are behind now in 2024 with the infrastructure. Well done Norway, I admire you.
I live in Australia and the amount of fuel guzzling monsters, mainly from the US, is stupid. Australia leads in rooftop solar but is a decade behind in EV’s thanks to the fossil fuel industry buying politicians.
It is an electric hell now utopia 🤢🤢🤮
The WEST hypocrisy at the extreme🤢🤢🤮 They cry saving the planet, while they actually helping big fossil fuel mafia to keep trading overseas & save authoritarian regimes 🤢🤢🤮
Australia has been going down the gurgler for years. We have basically lost the plot and unable to implement the right policies anymore. And the reason for this is political infighting. Since 1930 Australia had only nine changes of government BUT in the period from 2007 to 2018 - a period of just 11 years - Australia had 7 prime ministers. It’s been one coup after another. No wonder we can't get our act together anymore when egos of politicians get in the way of progress. It's embarrassing.
Well then, pack your bags and move into the "workers' paradise".
@@optimusmaximus9646 Doesn't help when one political party denies climate change is real.
I’m sure the oil companies aren’t that worried considering 90% of the worlds electricity requires oil for its production.
For reference, the city of Los Angeles, CA has twice the population of the country Norway. Also Norway has a higher GDP per capita than the US. A tiny wealthy nation buys a lot of EVS.
A Tesla maps out what superchargers to stop at automatically for your route. It will bypass stations that are busy or not working. Tesla is also adding third party chargers to their route planner. You experienced range anxiety because the EV you rented did not have this feature.
Great job on the report. My number one recommendation for the US is to have officials go to other countries that are further along with EV’s and put together a lessons learned document. A lot of times we, the U.S., just do our own thing and do not learn from other’s mistakes and triumphs.
There are third party apps that do what the Tesla navigation does, like ABRP, that tells you which charging stops to take and for how long to reach your destination in the shortest time as well. Sure, it will not know if a charger works/is busy, but it works with any available charging points and any cars.
There are so many reasons why doing what Norway has done would be so difficult/impossible for other countries
@@LAndrewsChannel Yes, a headache. Useless. So long it is not dummy-proof like with Tesla's, in my books it remains as a useless vehicle. I've had a F150 Lightning for a while and before that I had an ID.3. Both are garbage when you need to rely on charging away from home. They are OK otherwise. Both vehicles were from work, not my own! Terrible software and for updates you have to drive to the dealer 🤣
Tax the billionaires.
@@Henry_Jr_Watsson It is not a "headache". It is called planning ahead which everyone should do in every aspect of their life. The app helps with that, but you should also be able to do it on your own.
You are saying "They are OK otherwise" but also that they are "useless vehicle"(s)? Which one is it?
"but electric cars don't work in the cold!1111"
Norway: is cold
So is Colorado where I live and use my EV (the only car I have).
And, the Norwegians are smart enough not to go too far when it's cold.
yes they can i know a alternative to make it take temps up to -38 degrees celsius
Range is severely diminished in the cold no matter where in the world you are. Luckily for Norway, they don't really drive that far and when they do there's always a charger within spitting distance
@@travellingslimFrom memory they said they dive to the mountains and to Sweden. And they said the range drops from 400km from 320km.
congratulations ! that was the best film i ve seen in years. journalist very proffessional and perfect prepared for interviews. 10/10
They didn’t film this during winter, E-busses had to be replaced by the backup diesel busses. There is still a lot of people in need of heavy duty cars for towing etc, so you’ll see plenty of gas cars when you leave the cities.
Why they don't use trolley bus?
@@NaGuru-yt8xfthey use trolley bus as well. And train. Oslo is heavy on public transport, you can live in Oslo and not own a car.
And don’t forget long distance busses, they are still diesel 😂
In Oslo only*
Because of charger issues.
Don't pretend like it was an issue all over the country. It was only an issue in the worst part of the country :)
Electric buses do at least as well as fossil buses. Oslo had some trouble because of insufficient charging infrastructure combined with some poor purchases that had nothing to do with the power train.
To put this into perspective the entire country of Norway has 5.5M people while New York City alone has 8.5M.
And under Biden over 8 million illegals have entered the country.
To put this into perspective Norway started doing something in the 90's, while New York City....
Excuses excuses excuses
What about the New York City hydro projects..... oh wait, no mountains, they have to import everything.
Ah so Norway has almost 3 times the land mass of New York State, but only one quarter of the population to fund building out the infrastructure. Well done Norway.
It's really good to see the perspective of a country making the move to EV, I think the U.S. could learn from what they are doing. Yes it is different as the U.S. is very large compared, but there are learning here that can be taken and applied. If our mountain valley based cities, like SLC, where we have inversions in the winter would just start following a model of using EV we could breath clean air. Look how cold it is in Norway and they also have mountains, it can be done.
Yes, I agree.
Most Americans just do not want an electric car and if they continue randomly catching on fire and burning people alive, they will become very unpopular here.
We need to catch up in terms of building infrastructure and stuff, don't have the charger capability to handle it all, they are 8-10 years ahead of us
They have to take into account climate for EVs also. We had a cold snap which caused it to be difficult for EVs to hold a charge. Will there have to be pre heaters like diesel for extreme cold weather?
@@suzannebinsley5940 Electric cars have onboard battery heaters and a battery management system. A lithium battery cannot be charged when its internal temperature drops below freezing. If they do get below freezing the onboard battery management system senses the internal battery temperature and locks out the changing circuit. My solar batteries here in Arkansas got locked out from cold weather this January.
The Norwegians are not having a problem with the cold weather. But since the battery heater uses some electricity, they need to charge the battery more often.
The batteries themselves automatically create some internal heat when they are being charged and discharged.
The only concern I can see would be the off chance that Putin might strike the electrical grid in the dead of winter and there was no shore power for the battery heater. But when I mention this to them, they just brush it off claiming the battery can last for 3 or 4 days and it is not a concern.
I can watch all these CNBC mini documentaries all day. They are like the video form of articles that I'd bookmark but never read lol. Go Norway! 🇳🇴
How refreshing that everybody being interviewed - even the government people - were all so honest.
There was no attempt at spin.
They readily acknowledged some of the disadvantages whilst remaining positive about its solutions...
yes and the police i now armed because putin
Last year we had an EV vacation for two weeks in southern Norway. It was amazing. No stress, only happiness driving around the Fjords.
Norway can actually afford to build an EV Utopia while the US federal government can't even pay its bills.
The US borrows money to then give to Ukraine. Why doesn't Ukraine just borrow the money themselves. Sure they will be paying off for the next 200 years but the UK only recently finished paying back ww2 loans form the US
@@jacksmith7726 USA gave weapons not actual cash (for most part)
@@sender5804Which had a price tag and the payment plan did not include "return ship for full refund" instead it was "pay this amount plus interest, even if you let the ship sink."
@@TruthFiction old weapons get decommissioned anyways so its not the same as cash
@@sender5804 Your point? England wanted weapons, not cash. They couldn't exactly drop bundles of coins on Germany hoping that would destroy their factories just like they couldn't line the sides of ships with enough bank notes to stop torpedoes.
the Norwegian had missed something: Your workshop bill is usually cheaper 😃 not just your gas station bill
Oh the irony of an economy built entirely on oil and natural gas touting their success at EV adoption. Step 1: have enormous amounts of cash from oil and gas, Step 2: spend billions of dollars of said cash subsidizing EV adoption. Easy!
Our whole civilization is built on oil and gas, especially US.
As a Norwegian with two Ev’s I came confirm that I charge about 90-95% at the time home. And I can confirm the biggest pain with fast charging is the darn charging apps. On top of that it is charging companies saying that people will adapt and that people don’t want card payments(last year was a survey- 86% wanted card payment option). Else? I don’t want back, love my electric cars.
Love my gas powered cars …
Why do you own two cars? That seems wasteful and bad for the environment.
@@two-sense The majority with EVs own 2 or more cars, cause one has to charge...
@@two-sense location, married, two kids. Tried one car, but was a problem for the lack of collective transport in my area. Had two petrol cars which I drove to their demise after 20 years, one got a second life lucky and still lives 😊. Bought my first new cars ever and most likely for a long time. But, yes, you wanna save the environment no car is the best choice. Walking, biking, bus beats all.
So you own a single family home, not renting an appartment I guess?
No interview with bjorn nyland☹️
Really a missed opportunity
omg i wasn't the only one thinking this! 😥
Holy macaroni!
I love Norway. The E39 Coastal Highway Route is one of the most amazing infrastructure projects on Earth. Once it is complete I will definitely visit and drive the entire coastal route. There are some great videos on the project on TH-cam. It is the sort of advanced infrastructure we can only dream of in the UK.
Norwegian (Haugesund) here.. I can't wait for Rogfast to be done... a ferryfree trip still seems imaginary for me.
Considering that Rogfast will take 15 years (if it opens on schedule) I'm not sure a ferryfree E39 will happen in our lifetime, non of the other projects has even left the planning stage.
I'd recommend doing the E39 trip sooner rather than later, most ferries serve food and beverages as well as having WC.
The problem we had with electric busses in Oslo was that they couldn't handle the winter. So many routes where delayed or canceled due to cold weather and snow.
That was because it was articulated long busses with rear wheel drive, regardless of ev or diesel. The normal sized busses handles it fine.
The same development in Denmark. More than 40% of new car sales are EVs and increasing rapidly, so that the Norwegian level is within reach in a few years. Wonderfull with no exhaust pollution. 75% of Denmark's energy is produced using renewable energy.
Yes, because they tax ICE cars with a 60% import duty. They waive that tax on EV’s. Not exactly freedom of choice.
@@user-vx7vi3vq1c You don't need choice! The future is electric! EVs are not taxed at all in Denmark apart from VAT. The choice is easy! It stands between pollution and global warming - or clean energy and no emissions! I made the choice 2 and a half years ago, and now drive an EV and will NEVER return to an ICE car! The cost of driving an EV is 1/4 of an ICE car, so it makes sense what you choose...
@@JunkerOnDrums You don’t need choice? Ok Stalin! Just obey and be happy with what the government allows. 😂 Why do you hate freedom so much?
@@JunkerOnDrums
@@JunkerOnDrums Yes, in your country which is your luck. In most other countries, EVs are typically more expensive to drive than ICE-cars. Many wealthy countries started to add tax on EVs lately, making them less appealing. I drive a Model 3 Performance, which is great. But sadly, it is becoming very expensive. In The Netherlands they changed the roadtax law from CO2 emissions to vehicle weight 😅That combined with very high energy prices here due to high tax might force me to go back to an ICE Hybrid. Hybrids are cheaper, but not a lot cheaper to run yet here.
I'm glad to see the partnerships between big retailers (and fastfood!) and chargers. It makes more sense as a workflow that you top-up while you're doing your weekly shopping or eating a burger.
"Top off"? How about F-ing off?
The thing that boggles my mind is - Norway is around 1.3 times larger than the UK (where I live) and has a population of under 6M compared to the UK's 66+ million - we don't have the Hydro but plenty of wind - It's going to be tricky to say the least 😱😱
Norway is roughly the size of Arizona. Its geography is long and thin with large dense urban areas. That helps significantly with adoption and infrastructure.
So when you compare that to the United States you would need to compare apples to apples. The east coast has a lot of cities with similar infrastructure, you'd have to compare to that. Even California, while having large adoption rates, also has a varying topography that is not comparable to Norway.
In short, Norway benefits both from an acceptance of electric AND geography.
America has enough people that upgrading the infrastructure shouldn't be a problem
Norway looks like an amazing place to live.
It is, and I feel incredibly lucky and grateful for being born in this country.
I visited Norway once. Unfortunately every country I have visited since is disappointing in comparison. I think I finally realize that Norway is the only country I want to visit from now on.
good bye
I was there in 2018. It is a great country. My stepparents are retired and spend 3 months each year in Norway.
It is boring to live here, the weather is awful.
The US is not struggling to go EV. it REFUSES to go EV. There is a difference. Kind of sad really.
What are the main exports for norway? Petroleum. So they are outsourcing the emissions and the pollution associated with manufacturing the EVs.
But of course. Norway is a social democracy, where We The People matter more that the greedy corporatocracy.
Yup, the greedy corporatocracy didn't benefit at all....
/me smiles with tesla stock.
Yup.... You keep believing that. Lol... Thinking you can get around investors..... God, this was the best investment. Normally, you just make money. But making money, while people praise your investment and say that it was for the common good, and that no one benefited. Lol. Stop. You're making me too happy. There were and are other stocks benefiting, but I'm not giving those undervalued ones up. Lesson of the day though. We always win.
Norway stopped supporting big auto, to instead support tesla, a company bigger than all big auto combined. Good work. Lol. I just can't. 😂😂😂
@@Tential1 maybe because at that time only tesla has electric vehicle to produce and sell?
@@Leerzej90Policy should be technology neutral. Per dollar emissions reductions from efficiency improvements to ICE cars is greater than selling expensive EVs and should have been preferred. This is a religion.
With the US having adopted the absurd premises that money is speech and corporations are people, its particular form of toxic capitalism has only become more deeply entrenched and ruinously invidious.
Which in turn further disenfranchises the People and makes for a growing disenchantment for democracy and the notion of Government even working for that People.
Hence the current divisiveness that has that blighted land on the verge of establishing a new axis of evil with Russia.
Very comprehensive video covering all aspects of the BEV world in Norway ....amazing/ awesome job. ✅️👏
Not really, lots of false information here.
@@OddEdland I'd say it was about 95% accurate.
They forgot to tell that the Norwegian automotive market have crashed into oblivion. It's not about making the transfer from gasoline to electric. It's about taxing away petrol cars and making the whole market shrink. We are not supposed to drive EVs, we are supposed to drive nothing at all. EVs are a Scam.
Great production! Wonderfully made movie/story! Well done!
Norway's economy runs on oil and gas. The oil money is funding all this extravagance.
Extravaganza is not a common word to describe Norway.
But yes we were fortunate in discovering oil and gas in the North Sea, but we were never a poor country to begin with.
Norway was one of the first countries to become electrified and our first dams started producing electricity in 1882.
We are also one of the highest taxed countries and our gasoline/ diesel is not subsidized even though we are a large producer.
If you call 24% of GDP "running on oil and gas", then sure, but you're forgetting 76% of our economy. Our government also can't spend the oil and gas profits lavishly, like in many other countries (like the Gulf states) and are capped at 3% (used to be 4%) of the $1.6 trillion sovereign wealth fund each year. That means a cap of $48 billion in spending from the fund.
I love what Norway did but I look at it as a combination of favourable circumstances and not an easy achievable example to follow. Big country,low population,many resources, plenty hydro power,NO CAR PRODUCTION,low corruption
and money from oil and gas...
@@dandare1001The money earned from oil and gass goes into a fund, but only 2-3% of it can be used each year
@@SpaceflightSimulator That wasn't my point.
I do think the Norwegian government is being very responsible with the money it is earning (in a questionable way). It is there to serve the people, and appears to be doing that, unlike many governments around the World.
@@dandare1001 That's part of "many resources" 🙂
Dense population centers too
No domestic car production, 100% duty on imported ICE cars but no tax on EVs.
All that utopia funded from being the 8th largest oil exporter in the world.
Hypocrisy at state level.
Interesting, Norway provides about 2% of the total world oil production. So likely not a huge contributor, but of course do contribute.
@@jornjenssen1367 US is the largest producer but US consumes most of its oil. The amount of oil and gas Norway exports for other countries to burn is not insignificant.
@@rok1475 Yes, the hypocrisy you point to is the real problem ofcourse, Norway should stop promoting EVs instantly to avoid it. Cause doing nothing, like SA and the other big oil producing nations, is so much better for the world... /S
@@NoMoYOUsernames promoting EVs in a country with only 5.5 million people and funding that from selling large amounts of oil and gas is worse than doing nothing.
I hope our politicians are watching this video. Many lessons to learn from Norway about what to do and what to avoid. Great report, thanks!
A very informative and well done doco. Thanks!
I’ve been driving electric for over four years now, and would never go back to gas. This was very interesting to watch.
I am a Norwegian. I went electric to save on my commute. it's 90 km so with our ICE car that would be 0.06 l/km * 22 NOK/Liter * 90km = 118.8 kr a day. But with an EV it is in the winter 30kwh*1.1nok*1.15=37.95 kr a day. (20kwh in summer on mine). So considerable saving.
I was wary about the range. I went for a short range car. But after a few weeks I was getting confident and now four years later every time I have to take the ICE car I feel like I'm driving in molasses. Noisy is it too. Despite its being a petrol car with the same hp rating and the same weight.
So while my dream of a weekend classic morgan with a v8 is still alive, my daily driver will an EV. Or my bicycle. I like to have the exercise.
@@GeirEivindMork How is owning more than one car a good thing?
@@two-senseDidn't he explained that? I am pretty sure he did 😊
@@two-sense I mean, car people are so against EVs. But. my point is that you can have your classic v8 AND an EV, because you really don't want to put that many miles on your classic v8, do you? While classic cars are simpler to work on, they are not known to be the most realible vehicles out there. Not only that, that morgan in question has a combine consumption (city+highway) of 12.9 l/100km. which is twice what the ICE car my spouse drives (a toyota avensis station wagon) uses. perfect for a weekend car, not suited for everyday driving. ;)
How much do you drive? Must be very little. Just to Whole Foods for fresh kale. Maybe to the pot dispensary. To the doctor or drug store to treat your STDs. To the local Democratic Hq's to pick up bundles of late minute mail-in ballots. Lmao.
Kudos to Norway!!
I just bought my first long range PHEV in Sao Paulo, and I love it. For driving in the city I go 100% EV all month, except when I drive to the countryside, where I need to drive almost nonstop 1000km, and thats when the gas engine runs as a generator for the battery
Norwegians don't have such big bladders.
@@beehappy7797 Me either as an American. I stop every 200 to 300 km (120-180 miles or so).
1000km on one tank? Goddamn that's 621 miles. That's insane
Would go for an BEV and rent that 2-3x per anno a sharing car instead of running that stinky useless ICE all yeahr arround rotting and paying for no use.
one huge downside is that norway is reliant on its own renewable energy now that we have electrified much of our carpool. power breakdowns will therefore be even more devastating. And massive price hikes in power, like the 5000% increase we had last year hurt twice as much here compared to other countries.
I live in Norway, i have model 3 (my 2nd EV). I know a lot of people with EVs and not one of them drives EV for ecology but because its cheaper
It's not an expense though. It's Norway giving up tax income. EVs are not taxed (or taxed at a very low rate), while fossil fuel cars are massively taxed. That's the real secret.
Exactly!
Exactly. They will tax petrol cars out of existence and then double tax electric cars to cover lost revenue.
North Korea has a lower CO2 emission because 98 % of the population are unable or directly not allowed to own a car of any type, and they survive by walking and biking because public transport is also shunned by the average citizen, because most people would rather walk and buy extra bread/rice/sweets than to pay for a bus.
You can try for a million years, but you will NEVER beat "poverty" when it comes to sustainability, and especially not with Gov. programs. Since Norway has the EV mandate but not poverty, the total CO2 footprint per capita is miles above the Planetary average ( absurdly out of order ) and will stay that way until Norway is 1. Saved by Russia or 2. Saved by a total collapse of society. Yes, it all looks great on the surface and that's exactly how rotten the system is.
have you seen norwegian prices for electricity, food, oil ......?
@@Kolex06 yes - they are low compared to our income.
Two words: Special
Interests.
In the USA they actively prevent improvements as a few people are making a lot of money by keeping things as they are.
The facts are . . that the Americans created your whole life:
Every minute of every day of your life an American invention is giving YOU a better life. So let us look at some American inventions that YOU could not live without:
Lightbulbs
Aluminum foil
Frozen Food
High Process Food Canning
Can Openers
Microwave Dinners
Peanut Butter
Breakfast cereals
French Fries
Fluoridated water the prevents cavities
Durable Vehicle tires
Electric starters for cars
Generators to charge car batteries
Airplanes
The Modern Jet Engine
Electric well pumps that bring water to your house
Electric power generating stations
The whole electrical grid
Every fan or blower in your heating system
Your air conditioner
Your refrigerator
Your microwave oven
Automatic Clothes washing machine
Radios
Television
Satellite telecommunications
GPS
Fiber optic cables
Lasers
Sound and music recording
Industrial computers
Desktop computers
Laptop computers
Cell phones
Smart phones
Smart watches
Videos
The internet
Anything with a transistor or microchip
The factory assembly line
Cotton Gin
Various Farming Equipment
Metal-hulled Ships
Petroleum refining into gas and diesel
Petroleum refining into plastics
Polyester and Nylon
Nuclear power
Solar panels for green energy transition
It was ALL invented in America.
And if you live in a constitutional republic, the Americans invented your entire political system.
The Americans are the smartest, most creative, most industrious people in the world who created the entire modern world.
Without the United States of America YOU would be living in a cave, stone building, or wood hut with a thatched roof, carrying your water from a stream in a bucket with half of your teeth missing and cooking and heating over a campfire using wood that YOU PERSONALLY went out and gathered from a forest. And you would be washing your clothes in a stream.
Your connection to the outside world would be extremely limited and depending on your specific situation, you may not even know what is happening beyond your own village -- let alone around the world. 🌎
My advice is that before you "laugh" at any American, first try going without American invented lightbulbs 💡 for 24 hours and learn how American 🇺🇸 ingenuity has helped YOU see 👀 in the dark.
@@Matthew_Loutnerall true. Why stop the progress now then? We could continue to lead.
@@TJPavey We are leading. Watch the video again and count how many times you see the name Tesla in Norway. It might as well be Coke or McDonald's. 😅
Tesla launched Europe's first supercharging network.
She said, "It all started to change when Tesla started selling cars in Norway."
The man said, "It is actually the U.S. that is leading the way in stimulating the markets."
It's also because EV's are incredibly impractical in the US.
@@CharlieMacAU They sure are.
Norway has the advantage of being one of the main exporters of fossil fuels, and also of having a surplus of hydroelectric power for its domestic market, fairplay to them but there are very few countries in the world in the same situation. And in regards with batteries, not only in extreme cold but in extreme heat like in the south of Spain, Italy, Greece, it's estimated that batteries can loose 10% of its charge even when parked. Great program, thank you!
Norway has a sovereign wealth fund. The US government borrows money to pay its bills.
The other thing that Norway has is third party EV mechanics fixing EVs. Not many in the US. That’s something is needed badly - especially taught early. Of course, the size of our country is different. And I love EVs. They drive so well. The US is going to take a while.
Teslas doesn't even allow third parties to work on their cars and when they do, they get sued lol
We need repairability standards and all embedded and diagnostic software needs to be automatically open source.
They barely touched on one of the biggest reasons why EV works better in Norway (and the rest of Europe for that matter) than the US, which is home charging, having 230V and now 400V network at home makes a huge difference, I have just put up 2 EV chargers at home and I can charge up to 22KW on one charger or ~25KW split between them (auto balancing) due to 400V 3 phase 32A chargers (they share a 40A fuse).
This is not really feasible to implement in the US because the electrical infrastructure is mostly privately owned, and it would require some massive investments in building out and also interconnect all of it across the entire country, would bring some huge benefits to both security and energy prices though, as well as EV adoption.
Isn't USA running on 110V in a first place?
Not how that works, in the US we have split phase 120v/240v. Outlets are 120v but things like stoves and water heaters are 240v.
Some houses have smaller service (like 100A or 150A) but a 50A charger on 240v is way more than most people need. I used to charge my car on 120v 12A and that covered all my driving needs (daily commute is about 40 miles total, based on car's statistics)
I read somewhere that if the US actually had one electric grid (rather than three) the efficiency produced would mean several older power stations could be retired with absolutely no reduction in capacity. The good news for Americans is that the infrastructure is so old in many areas that it needs replacing anyway, so why not update it for the 21st Century from the 1950's?
I know how it works, although not 100% the same, I have as I mentioned 400V, still use 240V on all outlets, but 400V on car chargers and such, we use one full 1-phase or 3-phase, you guys use split phase on a full 240V, but it would need a serious upgrade to get 3 -phase 400V to every house, however I would absolutely say it is worth it, you wouldn't need it every day, but honestly, with this the only reason what so ever for fast chargers are long distance driving, I can fill up my battery in a couple of hours at home.
Also I have seen plenty of Americans complain about their slow charging, because for one reason or another they can only get 120V and cars like the Tesla use almost as much on battery conditioning as the charger can provide in certain circumstances.@@TAWithiam
@@user-fm6ns5nb4jThere are big changes coming to the US electrical grid and the whole energy system.
Distributed solar and wind generation, distributed batteries, and new software controlled power electronics open up new worlds of possibilities.
The old grid, as you say, is overdue for an upgrade.
Using EVs helps reduce oil consumption, allowing Norway to export the oil for the US dollars. This country is very well managed. But don’t even think about emulating it. It is blessed with oil resources and hydro power.
According to a Swedish motoring journalist, Volkswagen did a survey that showed only 50% take the car out on long journeys. People were worried about the cost of the trip how long the trip would take worries about finding chargers maybe maybe also finding working chargers
Yes. But that one time a year you do it's a living hell. A ev is definitely way less convenient cars. And usually way less premium. The insane price is you paying for RND. They also depreciate 8x worse than normal cars since they are constantly evolving. A ev is definitely more expensive in the long run but if your country pays you to buy one its most likely not that much more expensive. But don't buy one thinking it's good for the environment. Because it's worse unless you live in a country with a power grid like Norway. In the us it's idiotic to buy a ev.
@@OutOfNameIdeas2 Weird. We took our Tesla from Norway to Spain on holiday last summer and crossed the Alps via Italy and Switzerland on our way back home, and it wasn't a living hell at all. It was a rather good experience really. It does take a bit more time than with an ICE-vehicle, but as long as you're prepared for that it's all good. The year before we went to Croatia in the same car, also via the alps both ways, cause we love the views of the Alps. No problems.
Our car didn't depreciate 8x what any other car would either, so the FUD you're serving is wrong in that regard too.
As far as the environment goes, Forbes had an article a few years ago with the headline "Yes, Electric Cars Are Cleaner, Even When The Power Comes From Coal". Good reading.
In Australia, we are actually removing government EV incentives. Crazy but sadly true.
Yes, certainly crazy, that a country with the best conditions to produce cheap solar in the world, is not moving towards both use of electricity everywhere, and becoming an energy superpower (by making and exporting green hydrogen and amonia).
Victoria dodged a bullet when High Court of Australia struck down a Levy Tax on Plug In vehicles reported mileage. The whole concept was flawed.
Norway is doing that too, slowly.
You now have to pay tax for the value that is above 600k, and you pay 50% at toll roads,. there are no free parking.
They will soon be thrown out of the bus lanes.
They might pay full price on ferries.
When the only option is to buy an EV, they will remove all incentives.
Same thing here in New Zealand!!
Good
The US is definitely learning lessons from Norway's experience. The IRA has a mandate that chargers deployed with funds from the bill have universal payments like credit card readers and RFID built in forom the get-go.
But it ignores the fact that taxes and cars are extremely heavy in Norway all things being equal people prefer gas cars
@@frankfurtrob866 It may take a few years for the majority of people , but that will also change.
@@frankfurtrob866 it will take some time but that will change for the majority of people sooner than you think. Price is really the biggest challenge in the US right now. I used to think that it was infrastructure but that is going to change quite rapidly with the new IRA initiatives. When manufacturers start bringing the prices down as all of these new battery and EV production plants finally come online that have been announced recently, there will be a much more dramatic shift.
The government shouldn't be subsidizing any one technology. It should be technology neutral. It is possible that efficiency improvements may yield more energy savings per dollar than selling expensive EVs.
@@gregorymalchuk272 EVs will not remain more expensive much longer, and all governments are fully aware that this is no longer just about saving money in the short term.
Excellent report, you mention the environmental amenity of quiet, non polluting transport..oh to visit built up areas without fumes. Meanwhile in Australia, the government is hand wringing about a vehicle emissions policy adoption. Well done Norway for showing how it is done...and doing it.
an excellent, valuable report - thank you so much
In the US, private ownership of an automobile is a requirement to participate in society. This is not the case in Norway.
Really? And how can You say that?
Funny. And not exactly accurate. Inhabitants of the US: 332 million, number of vehicles: 278,870,463 according to Forbes (2022). Inhabitants of Norway: 5.5 million, number of vehicles: 5,410,000 according to CEIC Data (Dec.2022).
Loving your videos. Really insightful questions. Thank you!
United States is approximately 9,833,517 sq km, while Norway is approximately 323,802 sq km, making Norway 3.29% the size of United States.
Yes, but they also have even less than 3% the population of the US, so as an argument the US is actually more population dense most places, which makes it easier.
Parking meters turned into charging stations is huge. Adoption rate would be a lot faster in the USA, in urban areas
Walking along the sidewalks in London, I was surprised to see EV charging outlets built into lampposts.
Absolutely great reporting and very encouraging! Thank U!🙏🏿