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Terminator Cobra vs GT500: 1 step forward and 3 steps back
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Cliff notes:
Although it was Ford’s practice to use cheap connecting rods for cost savings, The terminator ended up with very good forged connecting rods due to project completion time limits rather than what was wanted by Ford and their budget.
John Colletti applied what he learned from the terminator to the Ford GT supercar as well, and with how important the rods became to him under his time crunch, likely would have continued the trend on the GT500, but retired.
With the terminator, John was PROUD to say he was passing on a value of $10,000+ warranty to the customer at no charge.
Management at Ford changed, and the GT500 was released with a $10,000 higher price tag (coincidence?) now that the car was competing with the corvette.
with many people thinking the GT500 was to be as well built as the Ford GT supercar (assuming it to be the same 5.4L) and also much like the terminator (due to its reputation), some customers were disappointed to find the car received “crack powdered forged rods.” which is not quite the same strength as traditionally forged rods.
One step forward: 5.4L with 500hp
Step back: heavier car, same performance
Step back: higher cost
Step back: not as strong as expected
The GT500 is often compared as equal to the terminator and had a greater potential to become much, much better.
This will always be the car that when it pulls up behind you, you start to shake
I still respect them, they are very beautiful and awesome. My neighbor collects mustangs, terminator, gt500, and two older fast backs, they are indeed super quick, crazy that a 1998 Cobra can still keep close to my 2016 Camaro ss.
_ Carnage2v even with my 13 Shelby when I see one I still get hard , always loved that car just couldn’t find a nice one here in Ohio
We owned a 2004 Terminator and with just a pulley, tune and off road x-pipe put down about 460 HP to the wheels, loved that car.
I own a Procharged Vette but would love to have a Mystic Chrome Terminator sitting next to it. I'm not a Ford or Chevy guy or whatever brand. I am a car guy if it's cool I'm about it
Chicago1 I own 4 fords, 1 Chevy, and an infiniti. I enjoy each for their own reasons. It’s good not to close out other options or you miss out. It’s good to see another enthusiast
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Impressive for the time....0-60 in just over 4 sec and 12's in the quarter. Hell, thats impressive now!
It’s very impressive , what’s more impressive is that fucking whine from the charger ....makes your spine tingle
So The Ternimator Is Basically The Hellcat Of It Time?
Yes, exactly- and caused other manufactures to up their game. It’s because of the Terminator that you have the Hellcat and other supercharged cars (ZL1, CTS-V,)
@@dannyjohnsonsgarage Oh, So Its Also The Starting Point Of Supercharged Muscle Car?
@@dannyjohnsonsgarage The Cobra killed the camaro for like 4 years lol. Literally. Chevy stopped making Camaros for awhile.
Angel Gutierrez yes, that is where the name Terminator comes from 🙌🏼 it terminated the Camaro and firebird 👍🏼
They had already planned on stopping the production of the Camaros though?
Dude, we need more of these videos. I have learned more about these vehicles in your 20 some minute video than I have over the past 5 years.
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We need another JOHN COLLETTI at FORD.
We had Jamal Hameedi but he's gone now I think
@@MF-Rell yes,FORD let him leave which is pathetic
@@drfaticus Tru, They don't need anybody after that gen 3 dropped... they running around singing we made it lol
We need another SHELBY :)
@@MF-Rell Jamal was no Coletti.
I will bless Colletti to my dying day for sticking to his guns vs Ford and creating the Terminator Cobra...my dream car! Imagine what the early GT500s would be if Colletti had stuck around to run the project! I never realized how weak the bottom ends are on the Shelbys. With what Ford charged for those cars brand new, they could have easily afforded to stick with the beefier connecting rods instead of cheaping out and hurting the power potential that could have created another legendary mustang like the Terminator! Great video Danny! I hope the fans of Mustang Lifestyle are watching this. LOL
After trailing the F-bodies in the 90s, and the disastrous "320HP" 99 Cobra, he had a lot to make up for.
@@taylorc2542 he didn't "trail the fbodies in the 90s" the na cobras was more than an lt1 could handle stock for stock and was not far off an ls1 car ecsp an early ls1 fbody (in the 90s before they had ls6 intakes they were rated the same but the 90s ls1 didn't make the power the later ones did). The na cobras were fairly close competitors to the gm fbodies being quicker than the lt1 but just a tick behind the ls1 typically. The 99 cobra was casting issues on the intake manifolds and an issue with the exhaust that was restricting flow causing power to be down. Once you port your intake and get an exhaust they will make the same power as an 01 cobra with the same mods people make this way more of a big deal than it was. Ford actually did this for you as part of the recall.
The 07 up gt500 is pretty stout. They aren't "weak" by any stretch especially by 07 standards the connecting rod just isn't as stout as the ones in the terminator but they can still make 700-800 easily many many people have done this. The gt500 is stronger and better in just about every other way outside the connecting rods. I love both cars the cobra is legendary but i think some of the cobra guys are extremely biased to the cobra and exaggerate how "weak" the gt500 engine is.
@@midnight347 Agreed but imagine the Gt500 with Cobra rods! What a total killer it would have been. Shelbys are better than Terminators in many ways but also way more expensive. Considering their age Terminators are not doing bad at all for being 20 years old. Still raising eyebrows and getting thumbs up everytime I take mine out...not to mention gapping Camaros and Hellcats! lol
That Terminator is one of the best stangs built. The power output with few changes was unbeatable!!
Terminator was the Hellcat before the Hellcat. You did not want to race a modded 03-04 Cobra back in the day.
they were badass cars! but then again i raced a few with 600+ hp and whipple blowers in my 2002 corvette z06 bone stock.. other than driver mod lol and never had problems pulling on them especially off the line. Thats the day i became a hardcore chevy fan. after owning a z06 for less than a year and it runs strong today still with about 190k miles
Chevy did make an 02 zl1 camaro 650hp
@@user-ci7cg7tf3o ,In your dreams will that stock 335rwh Vette pull on a 600rwh Terminator.Stock for stock the Vette will easily win a track lap.On the drag strip it's a driver's race.We had bone stock ones at an SVT track rental(US41 Dragway) turning 12.4-12.5's with tires.Pullied cars at 430-440rwh turning 12.0's and afew Kenny Bell 2.2's at 490-500rwh turning low 11's.Vettes are much lighter,and the rule of thumb is Terminators need about 100hp more to pull on one.I used to do lots of 50mph pulls against all manner of cars on the bridges of Tampa bay late at night,and my car at 549rwh would pull the hell out of an 06z06.That's why you see so many of those heads and cammed,to keep up with the 600rwh forced induction cars.
@@johnrunion7258 02 z06s put down more than 330 hp to the wheels......and not just a few horses more. I'm sure a 600hp cobra would be having traction issues though if a stock z pulled on one though. Those c5 z06s hooked up pretty good on the street with just stock tires. He did say he mainly pulled them off the line
@@terrybates5509 I attended many dyno sessions in the Chicago area after I got my '04 terminator and and some of our SVT members were also owners of Corvettes and Camaros including a rare (I think '92 ZR-1 twin cam).They also brought these cars to our SVT track rental days.The highest dyno # I saw on these stock(air kit only) LS6's was 350rwh.A couple others were in the 335-340rwh.Maybe someone is fudging.Without DR's and suspension mods,you had to leave the line almost off idle due to the supercharger's torque characteristics,dumping 450# of torque at 2000rpm.Then if you got into it too early it would break loose again.You needed a lot of seat time to get under a 2.0 60'with stock tires.Mount some stickies and bag the springs to keep the ass from squatting,and you are in the 1.7's.Those ZO6's would slow walk my 04(378rw stock) from a 40 roll,but a pulley,exhaust, and a tune pushed mine to 437rw and that was enough to turn the tables.These engines are capable of 1000rwh without touching a valve cover screw.Chevy will see the light one day and make big power without sounding like a AA/F'er.When I was at 550rwh,I got pulled by my friend's 12.50 Lightning five cars off the line,at 1,000ft I flew by him like he was parked.Without extensive drag set-up,these cars never see their full potential at the dragstrip.
I was offered to trade an 07 GT 500 for my Comp orange terminator. Both had the same miles. I love the terminator and couldn’t do it.
You made he right choice. I would not change either
wow thats tough!!!
Best choice! Cobra will hold its value way better than the 500.
The terminators are original cars and the shelby’s are a wannabe retro knock off. I always thought the new shelby’s were such a gimmicky car.
Just a prime example of how bean counters DESTROY great things.
Yep it's why new cars are over engineered and have electronic everything these days. This new crap doesn't last but it all saves them a few bucks.
Terminator for sure. Those rods coming stock with the car is amazing. Would love to have a Cobra in my garage next to my E55 AMG, another supercharged beast.
Those AMGs are a work of art!
Chevy guy, but I've always loved the look and power of the Terminator. Thanks for the informative video.
Thanks for watching. I love my Silverado and grew up with suburbans.
@@dannyjohnsonsgarage I love my z71 Silverado I've owned new since 05.
To each their own, but the updated body in 95 or 96 was a downgrade IMO. I liked the more organic curves of the early models
Chevy guy? Lol that is so gay you will buy anything Chevy puts out? What a sheep. Can't people just like cars? Do you really have to be a "Chevy guy" lol. 🤡
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I owned an 04 Cobra for 10 years and traded it in on a 2014 GT500. The sticker on my GT 500 reads base MSRP of $54,800 and $59465 with options. So I don't know how you get one over $67k MSRP. A $35k MSRP 04 Cobra, adjusted for 10 years of inflation would be around $52k in 2014. For the extra couple grand I think I'd take the 662hp job. I saw some glitches with my 04 - squeaky steering rack, excess drivetrain slack, and a droning, out out balance driveshaft. Heat soak and power loss was noticeable after a couple of runs due to the iron block. I did get 386 RWHP bone stock. I loved the 04 but my GT500 is a tighter, better built car and I have experienced no issues in my 8 years of ownership other than Takata airbag recalls. Also, according to one of the tech articles of the day, the SVT engineers said they decided to use the 3:31 axle to help control wheelspin at highway speeds as much as attain 200 mph. I banked on SVT putting to use their 10 years of cumulative knowledge in building reliable, blown modular v8s when they engineered the Trinity 5.8 engines.
Long time Mustang fan here… I found this video incredibly informative, and really interesting to watch. Thanks for the detail and thoroughness! You definitely gave me something to think about when I get my next Mustang!
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My 03 Cobra with a hi-flow X pipe, magna flow cat-back, and K&N filter with a tune dynoed 428 to the tires. Bad ass car back then, ran 12.00@118 on stock F1's at Cecil County.
Personally I would choose the Terminator preferably in a 04 in competition Orange
The GT500 has more potential. Much better flowing cylinder heads (and physically stronger cylinder heads, better material and more deck thickness) and more displacement. Blower to blower, the GT500 slaughters Terminator on power.
The stock GT500 rod is good for ~850 rw and 7000 rpm if you keep them off of the rev limiter.
The GT500 is also otherwise dead reliable. They have next to zero cooling or valve train problems (guides, valve seats), unlike the Cobra.
The GT500’s 5.4 was just a much better executed power plant that happened to have powered metal rods.
Rod to rod, the GT500 is a much better power producer and is more reliable than the 03 Cobra.
I always wanted to build a 2000 Cobra R clone in that color with the Terminator drivetrain. I liked the big wing and front splitter alot
@@BC08 That's not true at all
Kenshin Himura It’s absolutely true, and I challenge you to refute a single statement I made. I’ll wait
Terminator Can Handle 750 h.p. W/ Right Spchgr.(2.8.KB) ,Before Wrist Pins Get A Little Shaky.A Stg.2 or 3 Porting W/Eaton + Few Bolt Ons Can Handle Early GT 500' s
I have owed an O3 & O4 Cobra and currently have a 2007 GT500. I enjoyed the Cobra's but prefer the GT500. The suspension and brakes are weak on Cobra's. The cowl shake was terrible on both Cobras. Even with sub frame connectors it was still there. It is a suspension set up from 1979 when the cars were making less than 200HP. The cowl shake is better on the GT500 but is still noticeable. The brakes on the GT500 are much better in my opinion. The IRS was an issue if you wanted to go drag racing. The engine could handle big power but not that rear end without some major mods. All of the bushings and axles had to be replaced or the wheel hop was awful. My Cobra's were fun but to me the GT500 is an all around better car. My GT500 has about 700rwhp and I have not had any issues but I am not beating on my GT500. The Cobra engine can obviously hold more power but there are other drive line issues that hold it back. You will not go wrong with either car. I just prefer the GT500.
Michael Ward My question (as other stated, but I want your opinion) is do you think the better brakes actually make a difference, or simply compensate for the bigger mass of the GT500 and therefore they are equal?
@@dannyjohnsonsgarage The GT500 weighs 300-400 pounds more. The Cobra has 2 piston calipers with 13 inch rotors while the 2007 GT500 has 4 piston calipers with 14 inch rotors. To me they feel like better brakes when going from one to the other and you need them with the extra weight. The stock Brembo pads on the GT500 are junk with way to much brake dust. Everyone always talks about their RWHP. I am a big believer with big HP you need better brakes. My GT500 has the 13/14 GT500 rear brakes and the stock Brembos upfront. Hawk pads with stainless steel lines and DOT 4 fluid. The GT500 stops very well but not a fair comparison because you could do similar upgrades to a Cobra. The 13/14 GT500's have much better brakes than the Cobra's and 07-12 GT500s. Just my opinion...
@@francheecho3792 They do have 4 piston front calipers. Don't know why I said two in my post.
@@michaelward7517 terminators have twin piston 40.5mm front calipers, not 4 piston... you were right in your original post... front brakes on my 04 GT are off a Cobra.
@@dicksteel91 yea they were 2 piston 13 inch rotors...cobras had the same brakes 94-04 the bullit and mach 1 also got them.
$56 per rod? Forged H beams? Sign me up
matt_ru Yep! Ford’s cost. Not like they couldn’t keep paying that
I own and track an 08 GT500. I would have GLADLY paid the additional $472 (if Ford just passed off the cost with no profit margin in the MSRP) for the forged rods. That was a stupid compromise on their part, especially given all the bad press that resulted from it
Some people are pushing 750whp on stock gt500 engines
@@robsvtgt500 anything over 700 is a gamble lol
Great vid! I have an 03 black Terminator with 111k on it still freekn awesome strong and fun to drive! They handle like a vette. Love it!
Greg Austin Very cool 🙌🏼
That was one of the best videos I've ever seen detailed on these.
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I have a 2014 Shelby GT500 that's making close to 800hp. I wish I had the money and garage space to put a Terminator next to it.
You are mentioning your opinion. I have had both and the gt500 is a better in every way. You downplayed the issues to make the terminator sound amazing. Valve guides falling out, I had wrist pin issues, intercooler pump issues. Ect.
Your a complete dumbass the terminator is 200% better
being think what you want but going that rout just proves how uneducated you are. I feel sorry for you
I’ll hurt a terminators feelings..you will feel the bite! Haha jk,would love to race one for fun though
Yep, lots of people who obviously have not owned enough cars yet. We can all get attached to something and lose our perspective. I was the same way with my first few cars.
Great video! Just bought an 03 DSG Terminator myself! Dream car... took 11 cars and 3 states to find a good one. Paid 25k for it... no mods with 27k on the clock!! Can’t wait for spring to start the mods!!
These cars will only go up in value!
Mark D-man Very nice. I love that color
Mark. Nice find! i just found me an 03 ebony coupe, 3,200 miles on the clock! and i paid 33k. Im in love. My dream car as well. Took me 16 years 4 trade ups to finally get it. Cooling mod 1st thing for me. Exhaust next. Good luck with your build!
1967 stroker
Great find yourself Sir!! Crazy seeing a car 16/17 years old selling for retail prices!!! But worth every penny!!
Head cooling mods on the list as well here....👍🏻
@@markd-man3279 i did the evenflo gen 2 cooling mod with a 170 stat, so i didnt have to remove blower or tranny. That dang casting plug kicked my a$$! It took me all day. And it didnt come with the 3" of 5/8" Hose (had to go and buy from local parts store). But other than that pretty easy install i guess. I got my stock midpipe off now, going with bassani off-road x pipe. Should get it this week.
I’ll keep those in mind, it does look really tight back there to get the job done. I’m pretty capable... enough to be dangerous at least 😆
Thank You!...I have been watching just about every TH-cam video I can find on the Terminator Mustangs (even bought a hardback copy of the “Iron Fist, Lead Foot” book) but I have to acknowledge that your video is one of the most detailed and accurate that I have seen so far!..Awesome job! 👍😉
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The Ternimator is a domestic supra
rebaoui hichame It’s a legend for sure!
Really enjoyed this video, nicely done! The Terminator is the benchmark car that kicked off the second golden age of muscle. Someday OJC will get the recognition he deserves.
It really made a new standard for all cars, I agree
The SVT Focus was the reason they came to the conclusion the 2002 Cobra needed more power
Gray Fox Very true! Coletti couldn’t shake it, and it annoyed him like a pesky fly.
FANTASTIC video man! I learned a GANG of knowledge from this video, that otherwise would have forever left false assumptions tattooed to my car enthusiast certificate. With 25 years in automotive as my profession AND passion, that’s priceless. You’ve also managed to change my mind on a decision I made over a year ago, to get another C5 zo6 when it’s time to scoop up a new toy. I’ve owned a C5z before, and so far it’s been my personal all time favorite “driver experience” platform I’ve owned so far, that doesn’t boast 35inch tires & a wench. After learning so much about the Terminator (had no idea there were mustangs in existence with IRS...nor the cool back~story that birthed another engine, on a very short list, that is way over~built enough to earn the “Legendary” label engines like the 2Jz and RB lineup have earned), I’m almost obligated to hunt for my Terminator starting TODAY! Super informative & well~researched! Thanks!!!
Audio Engineer They are very awesome, hilghly respected and sought after cars- and even carry SVT heritage that is no longer around (it’s now “Ford Performance”
This is such a great video Danny, you did a great job, I’ve watched many many time and find myself always learning something new .. You did a great job representing both cars. The Termi will always be my favorite car, and mustang of all time!
Right on! Thank you for the comparison. I had a yellow 03 cobra. The SC whine and acceleration was Crazy! You don’t know it until you drive it. Hope to get another 03-4 cobra in the future.
17 Years later it's still the strongest engine Ford has ever produced...
More than the new 760 hp gt500? No
@@greatestnitemare6626 Strongest.... Not most powerful in stock form. Durability is the key.
Great work on this video. Thank you for taking the time to make it, and share it.
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Great review. Could you do a similar video on the 2012-13 Boss 302. Another car that is miss understood, thanks!
Mr. BosSTANG yes we need this I think the boss has some forged internals as well
Yes they do.
Mr Mike I love my Boss. I think it’s the best all around mustang before the GT350. It even out ran the mighty GT500, Audi R8, M3 at laguna Seca back in 2012. That’s heavy company their.
Mr Mike to tell you more the third gen 5.0 is a close cousin of the coyote/Roadrunner motor in the Boss. Carbon copy of the major components.
Rique when I bought my Boss I didn’t want a regular GT and the 350 was priced crazy. I don’t regret buying my car at all.
Terminators are legend, just like the Supras of the day!!
Very true!
Great video. A guy at my gym drove a 2003 sonic blue convertible terminator. Always loved that car. Sounded amazing and looked menacing as hell.
Basically my take on this video is if you want over 700rwhp, either mod your terminator 4.6 long block or heavily mod your 5.4 (rod replacement among other changes). Both engines are beasts properly modded, with the recent standing mile Ford GT as proof.
Yeah, both good cars. The terminator was simply the better value IMO
Twobarpsi Opinion backed by facts BTW 😉
Twobarpsi Yes, I agree my opinion is greater value than only facts. Opinion=Facts in my case as well. Terminator is in my garage
Tons of guys are making over 700 wheel on stock 5.4s. Both Lund and vmp consider 700-800 wheel the max safeish limit on a stock gt500 engine 07-14 they've tuned and been around hundreds of these cars Lund even has 14 gt500 he has raced since day one it's built motor now but he raced it alot prior to the build without blowing it making some big power. If you use good fuel and don't Rev much behind stock 6250 redline and have proper supporting mods and such you're good up to and over 700 wheel. They hate rpm much more than all out power (on stock rods). The rods were weaker on the gt500 but still pretty good stock rods and they are more stout than a terminator in literally every other area on the car.
I love my 03 Terminator!👍
ArcadeDude44 jealous bro, was it tough getting your hands on one?
I love YOUR 03 Terminator! 👍
Awesome video Danny..
I lived through the street racing scene in the 90's when a stock for stock ( or even modified most of the time) stang absolutely had no chance against a F body. That is until Ford changed the game and added a factory blower to the 4v 4.6 which needed forced air induction to feed those air-starved massive cylinder heads.
I had mentioned before, that I would get spanked all day with my new to me new edge GT. Back in 02, there was no Mach 1 or Cobra and I had to settle for a Torch Red GT 5 speed Premium. When I heard that Ford was going to bring back the Cobra for the 03 year with a built short block and a blower to boot, I knew that my days with my GT were numbered and eventually the Gt was going to get traded back in for it.
2004, I finally traded in my GT and got a Competition Orange 04 Cobra. The pony wars finally had shifted back in favor to the Mustang, after years of Z28's SS's and Ws6's annihilating just about anything in sight in my area.. This is why I will forever have a soft spot for the Terminator! Cheers!
The 01 Cobra's could keep up with the Fbody cars, at least better than a GT
@@tylerkulchinsky2167 yes the 01 cobras wasnt far off from them stock for stock and the na cobras really like gears...456 gears and a few bolt ons and you got a mid to low 12 second car...sometimes high 11s that's no slouch for a light modded na 4.6. They have the ls1 more of a fight than Chevy guys would like to admit.
such awesome and detailed information that's hard to find anywhere else! Fantastic informative video!
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I have told people all these things and they act like I’m crazy…excellent video that backs up what I’ve told some people I know.. the terminator was the last true SVT mustang
Great Video brother!! Shows just how special the Terminator really is 👍🏻👍🏻
Rocky Archambeau It has huge history and low production. Great Mustang history for sure
It’s my favorite for sure brother 👍🏻👍🏻❤️
Thank You very much for this video, great breakdown of the 2 cars. I was thinking of going that route but this convinced me to stay with my 03 cobra, thank you for this class. Class in session.
glad you enjoyed!
I’ve owned 3 Terminators and now a 14 GT500. The 14 is amazing. Is it worth double? I don’t know but it sure as hell is a step above the Terminator in every aspect. I love it!
Imagine a 2020 GT500 now
I bought gt500 rods for mark viii but they were not much bigger than stock so I just bought some K1 rods instead
This is a great video. Do as many as you can, covering a variety of different makes and models.
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I thought about getting a 11 to 12 Shelby but then i remembered that i didnt like the sophisticated technology those cars had when i had a 13 5.0. Much rather have my bare bones 04 Cobra. Hardly any technology to control its power. And its just brute force. Great video Danny.
'07-'14 GT500 has the same tech as a Terminator. No VCT, just timing chains, cams, and blowers. The Coyote has much more tech, which is probably why any Modular motor will outlast them.
The 07-09 is what you want if you want a Shelby that is most like your terminator and feels like brute force and bare bones.
Great video. Being a Pontiac/Chevy guy I only knew so much. Those 500s did seem like, not a dud but nothing so epic at all. They were thought to be epic on arrival but no. I see why damn.
They was much faster than the stuff from the others that was competing with them. They are also faster than terminators stock for stock not by alot but they are in fact faster by few tenths and like 3 mph. The early gt500 was restricted stock. They wake up big with mods even more than terminators do you can gain well over 150 rwhp with fbo and ported blower.
Great video learned more about the mustang terminator and why the engine was so good
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This is a phenomenal video and the most informed I’ve ever felt about the cobra
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Thank you Danny for this great video. Now I feel that I made the right choice when I bought my 03 Cobra vert last year with only 4k miles, now has 6k. I try to drive it only in the good days to keep the miles low. It’s a great car even my 80 year old mother loves the terminator. Thank you again!
Nice! I drive mine weekends only as well. Has 43k but will have 50k in 10 years at this rate ha ha
Cars are to be enjoyed and driven. Shame on you. You cant take premium mileage to your grave... Start enjoying the car and quit being an old fart with a diaper
Okay, and you can quit being a hater with the envy in your heart! Respect others in how they treat their personal belongings. Have a nice day.
Lol i dont envy you in the slightest. I have my cars.
@@GreatBirdOfHope AMEN I Fully Agree With You, Enjoy Every Day For Tomorrow We Are Not Promise...
Great video Danny thanks for putting it together!
jcali21 Thanks for watching. Glad you enjoyed it 👍🏼
Good video, useful information. 👍🏿
So an almost 15 year old car has a stronger and healthier engine then a 5 year old car. (2013-2014) Get a terminator and throw 10k in parts and get a 600+hp?
tocas21 Yes. For half the price 🙌🏼. If someone prefers one over a terminator it’s still a good car. Just stating the facts
10k can get alot of cars 600hp especially if its forced induction
Danny Johnson i also love the fact that it was the first stock supercharged car. Which Many cars after it become supercharged like the hellcat, and ZL1. Love the GT500 but if you have me the terminator and gt500 I would take the terminator every time. Bad ass looks and bad ass performance.
@@tristyn1124 the gt500 is faster than the cobra stock for stock and the gap widens once mods enter the equation. Mod for mod they pick up more power they're more restricted in stock form. The gt500 is stouter in every way other than the rods and even with the rods they have 800 wheel is considered their safe limit. The tuners all say this who've been tuning them since the beginning. It's well known have respect to octane and rpm and they will live at big power levels. This is a bias video from a cobra owner lol. The gt500 has a better trans, better stock input shaft 26 spline not 10, larger motor with better heads, better blower, better brakes, better heat exchanger, better, better fuel system, stouter rear end being solid axle that needs way less to handle big power, etc. The rods are the one thing that is weaker but still plenty capable.
@@midnight347 huh didn’t know sorry for being ignorant I guess bias can really cloud someone’s judgment lol.
For the ones of us who owned a termi cobra for any amount of time...its still in our top 3 cars, forever
Being the owner of a GT500 and being on the two biggest forums for the GT500 I can tell you there is a ton of guys making 750rwhp and up and no issues. One guy who is very well known on the Shelby Forums is BJ McCarthy his Shelby 07 was a test mule for the longest time for himself and then he started working for VMP Tuning and they beat on that car all the time with bigger blowers, pulleys, etc. Well over 100 passes at the drag strip running low 10's and NO ISSUE. Are the rods weaker compared to the H-Beam YES...but the Shelbys out there are taking a beating and staying together. So not sure 3 steps back it a true statement but hey everyone has their opinion.
Stock internals and this car is still together and is a test mule for Lund Racing... th-cam.com/video/Db7PPViWQ1A/w-d-xo.html
Yep. Rolling the dice as the video says. H beams are a better rod.
2007 with 64K miles makes 733 rwhp I would say the rods are okay. Are they the best NOPE but they have taking a beating and no issues and mine is tame compared to 85% of GT500's so no reason for anyone to shy away from a Shelby. In fact since your video did some research and found the pistons in the 03-04 term are the weak link. The GT500 has better pistons but worst rods go figure LOL
Wow, that’s so cool. This should have shown Chevy and Chrysler that they could do the same to their sports cars and kept the cost down to out sell their competitors. So even to this day, the terminator motor is still the best
Great thorough video! You have a new subscriber!☑️
Man you and Justin SVT sound similar 😆
We are twins
You got your facts straight. Great content for those who don't really know 03/04 Cobras. Good job!
Then how is people hitting 750 to 850 rwhp with stock motor on the gt500s?
Donald Ellis As stated in the video, “anything more than 725rwhp is rolling the dice.”. When the GT500s fail, it is usually from throwing a rod through the block. It wouldn’t happen if they had H beam forged rods like the terminator or ford GT supercar. Period
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I've always been a stang fan .I like a lot of other cars out there but I liked the stangs just a bit more than the others.I would love to take both of them out for the weekend just to see which one I would rather have.That terminator would have looked pretty good under the hood of my old 83 lol.
I put down 402 whp air box still on 2 weeks off the lot. Underrated & still can hang with some of todays heavy hitters.
J B mine did 414 with just the cat back and the tune. i’m at an easy 600 rear wheel horsepower now with just the blower swap basically
If its not on the same dyno is just numbers.
Roberto Sanson th-cam.com/video/m13cnR9Fg58/w-d-xo.html
Given the option of being able to get one or the other I'd take a Terminator every day of the week and twice on sunday. IMO they just have way more appeal than a GT500
I’m the same way- even seeing GT500s can cost the same as a terminator I prefer the interior and looks and everything of the terminator
Danny Johnson agreed. Can’t wait to have one of my own
I think you did a great job bro. This video is highly informative, I learned from it. Nowadays ppl have flashy videos and we get into the routine or "norm" of, if this video doesn't capture me in the first 30 seconds I'm out, but if you have the time to listen and watch, this is a great video. This phenomenon has been going on in the music industry forever and now it's caught up to TH-cam for some time now. For the everyday Joe Shmoe like me who is a car enthusiast who likes to learn about different cars and manufacturers and does some in-depth but light research (compared to you) this is an informative issue.
Thank you for the feedback. I have about 20 videos like this if you’re interested in seeing them as well th-cam.com/play/PLIjr-uSYDZi5Kwoue3b-_M_qWpQbiQ-KX.html
Is this a video to throw shade at Andrew sheridan aka mustang lifestyle? Lol. Great video danny.
I'll be waiting for the video for when it blows up after he starts modding it
Honestly, I’ve wanted to make it for awhile since it has a lot to do with the roots of the terminator engine evolution, but if he treats that new GT500 the way he treated his terminator it will pop. I think he knows that cause he’s acting really careful, Time will tell, but that will be an expensive repair.
Danny Johnson why not just give the 5.8 a bottom end upgrade?
Heebee Jeebeez Because that’s several thousand dollars done right, plus labor all on a car you spent $42k+ on. Also going to lose money on that if you decide to sell- both from the car depreciating and not getting money back on mods.
Exactly what I was thinking as I watched this video.....
Very interesting history lesson!!! Super interesting
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Once again a very informative video, thanks Danny. Very happy and glad I bought a 04 term.
Nice! What color?
The Terminator Cobra is without doubt the best car you can buy for the money... And that's the fact that nobody else could argue.... Where you going to get a car they can run a 12 second quarter mile bone stock for that price..
Sweet video thanks for all the info. My question is since I'll be owning my first ever 03 cobra soon what mods would you recommend for the car to help avoid any issues like you were saying some people upgraded the alternator and coolant? What mods are recommended to help not running into issues ?
I have a few videos on this. Here is one of frequently asked questions th-cam.com/video/bPaJ8pYh3cQ/w-d-xo.html
Here is one on owning a supercharged car th-cam.com/video/G-EItwG4Mt4/w-d-xo.html
Hands the terminator is the black sheep that still in my mind is the best of all mustangs and is still a powerhouse that is unheard of! Great video Dan thanks
Glad you enjoyed. Thanks!
They are somewhat different classes. The GT500 is a true Shelby influenced by the man himself. The Terminator was an SVT extreme success. I've had a Termi and currently a 2007 GT500. I sold the Termi for the GT500 but I'd love to get a Termi again one day :)
you know the 07-14 gt500s where a 100% svt product right? the old man was just cashing checks and didn't influence a thing
THESE are the videos I like man!!! PHENOMENAL job you've done with this video. I can tell a lot of work and time when into this. Thank you for these awesome videos. Very cool.
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Wow great video! Very informative and helpful. I’m in the market for a GT500 and I’ve been up in the air about what year but sounds like an 11-12 sounds like the best bet. Once again thank you. Subscribed and liked 👍
If the 13/14 isn’t too much more money I’d go with that
I must say kmj performance has solved the problem with the alternators shout out to my father 💯
I’m a corvette guy through and through , ive had a few procharged cobras and they are a force to be respected. I did not know the termi could hold over 1,000 hp on stock block ..amazing
B.T Martin I own a few GMs as well. My Yukon 6.2L and Silverado 5.3L.
Great video Danny! I'm working on getting a 03 or 04 cobra now and cant wait. I have seen mustang lifestyle video of when he traded the cobra and to be honest I believe within a year he will be rebuilding the engine and regret trading the cobra. But on another note all your videos are great thanks for your time and knowledge! Great work!
Chris bridges Thanks a ton for the comment. I appreciate that!
Awsome well done video!!
I've never owned mustang but always liked them and just learned something about what to look for in buying one. I'm not going to race so either models can work for me since I like both gens 03 to the present.
Love this video. Iam also in love with the terminator mustangs hope to own one eventually. After this vid even more so!
Jaime Rios I sure love mine more and more. Especially as the new GT500s are newly $100,000!!
I love my Terminator! When I purchased it in 2005 I had no clue that it was so over built. After reading up on the forums I realized what potential this car had. My '03 is sitting at ~600 rwhp on pump gas with 17psi and right at 700rwhp with 22psi and race fuel. It is a blast to drive!
Very cool! Mine is also at 600rwhp. th-cam.com/video/Dtqj0BmBp6w/w-d-xo.html
@Tony Riccio Get a tork tek kit that uses the cobra supercharger and you'll be happy. th-cam.com/video/mxYigJmVRRI/w-d-xo.html
Miss my 03 with bolt on and tune. Was such a fun car.
It’s tough to let them go
I laughed so hard when I saw this! New edge for life
Shawn Broyles why did you laugh ?
I really enjoy the information that you have, thank you for making these videos
Thanks! I’m glad they are enjoyed
@@dannyjohnsonsgarage I just bought my first terminator cobra and you have so many great videos on how To that it's been such a breeze on getting it up to par. Cant say how great your videos are and the knowledge you give out is great!!!
Mr Colletti is a legend. RIP.
1). I’m not sure if you did enough research on GT500’s with all do respect.
I’ve never seen one bow anything below 800hp (crank) even 900hp (crank).
If they have blown it was due to tuning.
Ask any major tuning shop what they think is safe on stock GT500 engine, ask someone hi reparable shops like VMP, or Palm Beach Dyno, or Lund Racing, they tune more high powered mustangs then anyone I know, see what they tell you. My boss ran the shit out of his 2014 GT500 (Super Snake) on strip, and it’s at around 900 crank hp, no issues, guy drives my previous 2014 GT500 that’s on stock internals at around 900hp (crank) and he bags the shit out of the car, and no issues. All on pump gas.
I’m not sure where you got your facts on GT500’s, but some are way off.
For example 2011+ aluminum 5.4L is same as Ford GT excluding cams I believe, where in 2013-14 they even used that, cams, but also overworked that same engine in Ford Facilities to 5.8L, ported Supercharger and added smaller pulley.
2). Shelby American do offer one year unlimited mile warranty on their builds.
And 3years on certain builds.
And their cars at bagged in Vegas, at spring mountain at no less then 750hp (crank) and not one failure.
Terminators are amazing, and have incredible engins, yes, but GT500’s specially 2011+ are better, much better then this video makes them out to be.
Sorry had to comment, because some things are way off.
You’re incorrect. I did mention a reputable builder right in the video showing he said 725 was the safest high level. After that you are “rolling the dice” as he said. Keep in mind the difference between crank and rear wheel hp nearly 100 in these cases, so a 750hp shelby is putting down 650s
Also you are incorrect as the 2011s don’t have the same engine as the Ford GT as I showed in the video. That was the entire point- the GT500s were short changed on connecting rods whereas the Ford GT got H beam mahl forged ones. It is useless to have a GT500 be capable of easily making big numbers if it won’t support those numbers like the Ford GT
Simply put, look at the rods in the video. That’s common for them to bend and break. When they bend and break from HP stress without any signs of tuning/pre-ignition, that proves the rods inability to handle the power level. The point is plain and simple Ford cheapened up the rods, made a heavier car, and charged more money.
This video was not focusing on an aftermarket company (Shelby American), but I understand your point on them putting these cars at CRANK hp numbers. Many of the shelby american cars are owned by collectors who will not push them. For those who do, you hear stories about failures,
I would look closely into warranty work which typically covers the parts only and not labor. I am not certain on Shelby, so I won’t say until I know. With that said, the price per hp is a horrible ratio for shelby american and would even put the car in a worse competition with the terminator on pricing.
Keep in mind the bigger hp shelby builds lose the warranty from Ford and the shelby 1,000 features a completely new rotating assembly.
The video was well researched and no one likes to admit the proven points of the video. That’s okay.
Except I’m not, 5.4L aluminum engine in GT500’s 2011+ is updated Ford GT engine. One is dry sump, one is wet sump system, and one has plasma coated liners instead of pressed in iron sleeves.
And if you are actually doing research on both, then it does not hurt to call companies that constantly modify or work on them. I’m around Cobras, and GT500’s ever week almost, I’ve owned 2014 GT500, and I’m ordering parts for my friends 2004 Terminator. And you’re wrong on many accounts. Specially what horsepower GT500 can handle.
You want to be Cobra fan boy that’s cool, but unless you’re in actual business of building, modifying these cars on weekly basis, I suggest you call up some people that tune these cars, and specially modify them.
And I work for Shelby of Canada.
So I do know what I’m talking about.
But as I said, give few phone calls to some of the most reparable places in US, like Lund Racing, Palm Beach Dyno, or VMP. These people own both, or have owned both. And they tune dozens every week or month. Ask them how much hp GT500 hold reliably. You don’t need to listen to me, listen to what they say, hell even give there videos on TH-cam a watch.
Excellent commentary 💜💜
Great video brother awesome info
Very informative, thank you.
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Excellent video to really
Enjoyed it
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it 👊🏼
Mr. Colletti should have been the CEO of ford at the time after the Terminator!! 🐍🐍
thank you for teaching me this
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I still would honestly rather have the gt500 I just think it looks better in my opinion and is all around a better looking car and resembles the classic look of the mustang but still like the terminator new edge look does look good
Another great and informative video on the Terminator Danny.
Glad you enjoyed it! See my similar documentary videos if you haven’t th-cam.com/play/PLIjr-uSYDZi5Kwoue3b-_M_qWpQbiQ-KX.html
Here is my terminator playlist as well. 150 videos th-cam.com/play/PLIjr-uSYDZi7hBrphoRniyYjb707PpPTu.html
You should just make a video about how your terminator is somehow better then the new gt500 with carbon fiber wheels etc.
I absolutely love my 04 Terminator!
Very informative great commentary extremely knowledgeable Ford Guy!
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Thank you so much my brother Saul the great information I have a new S550 model Mustang. it's nice to know the ins and out of all Mustangs thank you so much brother
Melt before explode, now THAT'S an engine
Loved my 2004 Cobra. 430 HP was plenty for me.
Great video man! Always badass to see a termi video. Man it sucks that we never get to see this 03 04 cobras on TV car shows. It's always a old school mustang or one of the newer ones. To me hands down it's my favorite!
Yes, very little of them on tv. I’ll post my two favorites below (the horsepower tv is really low quality, but they have the original HD version they just uploaded to their website
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Very informative my friend! Yeah, my Zinc Yellow 03' Terminator tears up East TN! I'm a little biased here. lol
nice!
@@dannyjohnsonsgarage Thanks Brother, I think I'm going to do a few driving videos because damn, we have some awesome scenery and a fun ride. Keep up the great videos, you have a new subscriber here! Shout out from Appalachia!!