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Terminator Cobra or Mach 1? Which one should you buy? Build or buy built?
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Basic performance:
Mach 1=280-450 RWHP capable
Terminator= 360-1,000 RWHP Capable.
Which should you buy? They are both great cars. This video talks about their basic layout, as well as the option to own both, and why I did that.
Cobra Production:
• 2003-2004 Terminator p...
Mach 1 Production
• 2003-2004 Ford Mustang...
More on the Mach 1
• 2003-2004 Ford Mustang...
Remember the Mach is insured as a GT. Saves a bunch over the Cobra. I have an Azure Blue 2003 5 speed and love it.
@rlrdh10 more like smart people problems
I pay $42 a month for full coverage on an 03 Cobra.
I pay 110$ for my 01 Cobra!
I pay around a hundred a month for a 2008 Grand Caravan
Im really falling in love with the Mach 1. Especially the price. Terminators are getting expensive and I just want a new edge Mustang to go along with the S550 stang.
carlos gaviria Inexpensive fun for sure! Great value
Not very affordable anymore lol, their rising in value just like the cobras. I was lucky to get mine a year ago for $7500, great condition 89k miles. All blacked out with black cobra wheels.
I hear those 4.6 litre engines are among some of the best and most reliable Ford has ever produced
maije demina Yes, very good engines indeed
You hear....
The newer coyotes are just as reliable and have the same 4valve dual overhead cam setup as the older 4.6. Newer and updated 5.0s that makes a boatload more power compared to the na 4.6 in the mach1. But simular power numbers to the Eaton cobras, 390hp was underrated for the terminator it was more like 450hp and 480 for the 3rdgen coyote. Would love to coyote swap my 04 mach1 someday when I have the time and money for that kind of project. But theirs just something with the sound of the 4.6 4valves I prefer over the newer coyotes.
It is...
Termi go for 25k+ usually 30k+ for good condition ones Mach 1s go for 7500-15k. I’d say mach1 are more unique and got over looked by the termi.
For sure the machs are very underrated, but I think their getting noticed more cause u can't find any for below 10k anymore. Good condition low miles 20-25k. Average miles 13-18k. Got really lucky to get mine a year ago for $7500 in great condition with 89k on speedo. All blacked out with black cobra rims😎.
Mach 1 are 20k for 100k miles up here in Canada, but 99-01 cobras are 15k tops, jus doesn’t make sense
Ahhh Terminator...no shocker there
Looking at getting a Terminator in a little over 2 yrs. Perfect time to sell yours :)
I need me a cobra
I’d choose the terminator
Matt Parks if I could only choose one, I’d be with you on that :)
Two great cars! I’m a Cobra guy personally, still an SN95 model but mines a 98’ with a convertible top and leather seats. It’s a custom blue paint with silver painted Leman stripes. It’s not a daily driver as I will be taking to mecums in January, mostly restored stock, but does have Saleen style wheels with low profile 18’s. Thanks for your post, although I would have liked to see the interiors and a peek under the hoods! 😉👍😎
I should put them side by side and do another video
I want both too! 😁 I own a Chevy Cavalier ! 😂
You would for sure notice a difference 😎
If you can afford the cobra it’s a no brainer. But definitely the Mach 1 over a GT. The styling of the Mach 1 is beautiful though.
I just had to have both ha ha. And I’m lucky to have gotten by old GT back! It sure needs more power! th-cam.com/play/PLIjr-uSYDZi4ANd5-arUpdgjednXf6HuH.html
Well I have a Marauder, might get a Cobra someday or just supercharge the Marauder. I also have an '85 Mustang SVO and a Mazdaspeed Miata..
Great collection! The marauder can take all the cobra supercharger parts (eaton swap) but it requires them all including the front timing cover. Very cool!
They're both great but I have to pick the Terminator due to its Forge bottom end not to mention it looks great
Yeah, I’m with you on that
Only thing that stands out with the Mach 1 is the shaker hood
I'm a cobra guy myself...I want another one..had to sell mine years ago.
Cobra always. Have a 04 screaming yellow 30k miles. Love it. Specially when you making mods and seeing the power that changes. Nice videos
Lucky guy to have both of those in the garage! Good job. I've got a black Mach 1 as a weekend car and daily a Camry.
It's true that you have to be careful if you supercharge a Mach 1. Mine is Procharged. With 450 whp, tuned by an extremely reputable person, it lasted about a year before it spun a bearing. I ended up replacing the engine with a short block out of a Terminator, then increasing the power to 500 whp which turned out the be the limit of my blower when the compression ratio is that low 8.5:1 in the Cobra engine. I also had to get a Cobra tank with the dual pumps installed to provide the increased fuel delivery under full throttle.
Now the transmission has been getting harder to shift lately. The TR-3650 is rated to handle somewhere around half the power that I'm putting through it... so yeah that's not good. Probably going to have to swap that out with a T-56 in the not too distant future.
All-in-all, I'm fairly happy with the car right now. It's quick, turns heads and it's a lot of fun to toy with newer expensive cars that aren't expecting to be smashed by a 15 year old Mustang, but ultimately I wish I'd have just bought a Terminator to begin with. I've spent more than I would have if I'd have just done that, and now it's just kind of a Frankenstein of the two models. The hood DOES look bad ass though! ;)
kingcrimson234 Very cool. Sounds like a cool ride. I can’t believe all these people are boosting the new 5.0s at 12:1 compression ratio- then again there are a lot of failures and they can’t figure out why lol. The direct injection helps, but you can understand the risks as you understand your supercharger and 8.5 cr well.
I have 3 mustangs 1997...2000...2004 GT
Love all 3.options...back up ride...etc
My wife and I went with option 4; a 2003 Mach 1 and a 2003 Thunderbird. Both are fun but they have different personalities. I may pick up a Cobra someday but if I do I will still hold on to both the Mach 1 and the Thunderbird.
It’s definitely hard to let any of these cars go ha ha.
This would be my life if I didn’t live in NYC. The taxes take me from well above 6 figures to living pay check to pay check. Instead I Watch Danny
Prices gone up, love the azure blue
Mach1 for daily driver, and Terminator for weekend warrior.
I must agree since that’s how mine are used
Danny Johnson what is a super safe amount of boost that a Mach 1 can handle? Do you have any idea? Thank you
Depends on what kind of blower and if you are using an intercooler. Non intercooled centrifugal blower: 5-7 PSI. Intercooled maybe 8 or 9 PSI. Mach 1 owners run more on stock set ups but long term durability of the rods/pistons is a concern.
@@dannyjohnsonsgarage
Hey man, where abouts do u live?
Looking to do a big overhaul on my 03 mustang Cobra. U can film all of it if u like. Nothing majorly wrong with it as i take it to a shop pretty regularly. Needing a better paint job. Interior needs a little help as it has 150,000 miles on it...things get worn out. My drean was always to fix this thing up and make it look awesome and stealthy with mods. Its pretty much all facory besides centerforce dual friction Clutch and alternater that went out. Just recently did a full tune up on it. I want to make this bad boy back to lookin like new and better, but need someone that knows there shit and i feel u do. Obviously, willing to pay for parts and labor and take you rd advice with upgrades. Thinking computer tune, pulleys, catback, H&R lowering springs, upgraded air flow, upgraded intercooler, and whatever else u would suggest. Its been a dream of mine to turn this thing into a stealthly powerful ride. And now that i got the funds i can do that just need someone i can trust. I think your that guy if your interested. Im out of town as a truck driver a lot...so u could keep it for months at a time. Let me know if your interested. Would be willing to drop the car off to u. Its my dream, i just dont have the time or the knowledge to do it. Keep up the great videos! Email - cbra66@gmail.com
cbra66 Sounds like a good time. I’m in southern utah
Great overview man!! Dude the values in the Midwest are alot higher the machs are in the 12 to 15k range still and terminators in the 20s. I love the Machs and have loved them since they came out. Everybody loves the Cobra and they are cool for the drivetrain but the machs retro looks are just Awesome!! I own a Bullitt but man the Machs are Sweet!! Thumbs up on the vid!!
01 Bullitt 😊
I agree, Mach 1's on the west coat with 100k miles are $10k, $15k for a low mile car. the Cobras are all in the $20's-$30's depending on mileage. Great video!
Can’t find a stock Mach 1 in Michigan.
You can’t find a Terminator now a days for 13K, at least one under 200k miles lol.. Great video, the Mach 1 and terminator make a great combo for the garage, both are great cars and shine on their own different ways. 8K for a nice Mach 1 is a really good deal 👍🏻
I found mines for 12k!! It had 117 miles
Got the mach1 bought it new, still mint with only 30,000 km!!! Love it!!!
They are great cars. I like mine a lot too
They are great cars. I like mine a lot too
thanks again master guru of ternimators
Ha ha. No prob. It’s tough making decisions on these cars- so much potential means so many options! A good problem to have 😎
26 year old with a freaking 4.6l v8 Windsor motor 01'...mineral grey GT.. Hoping to get a Mach1 soon!
I still have my 01 GT. Good cars, though the Mach 1 sure does have that power boost
Great video. Lots of fun to watch. Better than a TV show. Also I would entertain the fact that with some looking, you may find a nice terminator swapped Mach 1 for sale for a decent price. I agree with you and am enjoying a very nice used TR mach 1as a daily driver as you know.
Man... Love both for different reasons. I don't know which I prefer. Very tough
That’s why I told my wife I needed the cobra, but only if I could keep the mach 1 lol.
Danny Johnson yes sir, I heard that. Hope she stays away from our parallels between cars and women! Lol
Nice videos my friend, appreciate your time u have to devote.
ketchup or mustard?
Thanks for the info Danny. I had a full bolt on mach a few years ago with quite a bit of suspension work done as well. Great, great cars, but they handle like trash. If you want to get them to handle well, skip all the bolt on stuff I did and just save for coil overs. You will be much happier. I'm going to look at a stock Terminator (other than a pulley) here in a couple weeks. I'm looking forward to taking the next step and joining the club.
One big thing I will recommend on both cars, is to do a subframe brace. Of all the things I did on my Mach, this made the biggest difference. Body roll was significantly reduced, and it also eliminated all of the creeks and rattles I had in the interior. For those interested, you can't beat the Kenny Brown Extreme Subframe Matrix. Probably overkill, but it was worth every penny imo.
You’ll for sure want to watch this video if considering a terminator th-cam.com/video/bPaJ8pYh3cQ/w-d-xo.html
I'm looking for a Mach 1 right now and have been having this same debate about building the Mach or just buying both and getting a nice Terminator too. Buying two mustangs of the same body style is a tough sell to wife for sure. 😂😂😂 She looked at me like i was crazy when I mentioned a GT 350 as well.
Great video Danny! I have a 03 azure blue Mach1 5 speed with bolt ons and love it. I would like a sonic blue cobra to add to my garage some day.👍👍
Doug's Guitar Lounge Very nice!
Super cool video, I've watched it 3 different times now. I had a question for you. How does a 99 and 01 cobra stack up to the mach 1? I would love to own a terminator, but they are a little outside my price range. So next best thing right?
Yes, I would go Terminator, Mach 1, 01 Cobra, 99 Cobra.
The 99 Cobra had horsepower output issues, so you would want to make sure the car got the recall done. The 2001 was fixed for sure. A 2001 Cobra would be pretty close to a mach 1, with the cobra being slightly heavier from the independent rear suspension.
More on the 99:01 th-cam.com/video/mA3vGn0EEvI/w-d-xo.html
@@dannyjohnsonsgarage I'm thinking I'll stand with my original choice and try to find a nice low mile 5spd mach 1. That will certainly hold me over until I've got that terminator sitting in my drive way. Thanks for info and videos man, you've been super helpful. Keep up the awesome content!
I bought a 2004 Azure Blue Mach 1 in 2015 my first mustang, it wasn't at true, true Mach 1, T5 trans not a Tremec 3650 which I found out later, gt seats not Mach 1 seats, 5 star rims not factory but the motor was good and I fell in love with it after the test drive. After I bought it I replaced the T5 with a rebuilt Tremec 3650, resurfaced the flywheel and put in a Exedy Stage 1 Organic Clutch kit. Re-did the whole suspension rear control arms upper and lower "BMR", springs "BBK" 1-1/2" drop on all fours, shocks Tokico HP shocks, American muscle Rims 18" and good Year Eagle Tires. For me its the Mach 1, the Cobra is an awesome car but its just something about that shaker hood and that blue, great video Danny.
David Northstar thanks for watching. Sounds like you learned a lot along the way!
Danny Johnson are you planning to get a 2001 Bullitt Mustang?
Thank you for sharing your wealth of knowledge of these particular new edge models as I have learned a lot over the years from your videos. I currently have an e-green 99' cobra(unsure of what to do with it after graduation in May). My grandfather has two 2nd gen foxbody 5.0s with low miles that I will more than likely come by in a couple years. Also my roomate might purchase a low mile 04 mach 1 hopefully not long after may comes around as well. So many cars and ideas and so little money and time!
johndeere137 I LOVE electric green Cobras!! That’s a sick car!
Thank you. It's funny actually cause I wasn't really of fan of the color when I bought it but it was a cobra and reasonably priced from extended family but it has really grown on me in the last six years and it looks really good at night under street lights cause its almost mystichrome like with a tinge of blue.
Excellent video and great comparisons. Keep the vids coming.
The Mach Life Will do. Feel free to see all my others for now 🙂
I wan't two, mach 1 and cobra (terminator '04)..yeah baby!!..
I love your videos Danny so much valuable information on each video.
JaVvii3 thank you very much. And thanks for supporting the channel by watching the videos. 😉
Mach 1 with nitrous. All of the plumbing and solenoids hidden under the shaker so looks stock. 1000$ gets you 100hp+.
Yeah, I’ve heard of a lot of mach 1s running a 100-125 shot
Not gonna lie, when I got my bolt-on Mach running quicker than some Terminators it felt really good. The Terminator set the bar high. Both are awesome.
@@GolfInHawaii69no forged internals
Great video. I always heard engines were same in mach1 as in cobra just minus blower. Good to know
Chris hotrod It didn’t help that car and driver and some other magazines made some false claims when it first came out
5 speed Mach 1s go for 10k around here,auto machs like 8k .Cobras are 14-15k and up depending on miles. Foxes especially notches are going up in price if they are very clean,hell my 87gt i paid 7k for it 2 months ago,its clean and has full bolt ons
Fox’s are certainly going up!
I'm currently shopping for a mustang.. And this helped make my decision! TY!
Keton Dugas This channel will also help you with just about any repair you’ll ever need for these cars too.
Check out this playlist, and feel free to subscribe if you haven’t th-cam.com/play/PLIjr-uSYDZi7hBrphoRniyYjb707PpPTu.html
Awesome video..and book as well 👍
@Danny Johnson - I am looking at both of course; however, I really need a daily driver as I had been a "good boy" all these years having a relatively inexpensive but reliable Nissan Altima to drive back and forth to work and I had gotten my wife a Toyota Tacoma that she loves, but I would like to go back to a fun car. Therefore, I had been looking at the Fox Bodies as I love those very much from my youth, on the other hand, I don't think that would be the most reliable choice. I therefore started looking at the SN95 Cobras and New Edge Cobras pre-Terminator so I'm not dealing with as many moving parts with the blower and keeping it naturally aspirated. The Mach 1 seemed to be about the same type of deal as the '99 or '01 Cobra, so I am looking at an '04 Mach 1 that I found for about $9k.
The biggest issue I'm having right now is the mileage on that car - it has about 137k miles on it or so, and I'm not too crazy about having to rebuild that engine as it is the Modular 4.6 DOHC that I adore; however, that is harder to work on especially given that I live in an apartment complex and therefore don't have a garage to work on it in as we aren't allowed to even change our freaking oil in the apartment parking lot. How many miles do you have on your Mach 1, Danny? Do you think it is work spending almost $8900 on a Mach 1 with over 130k miles? I am not too sure... I found an '01 Cobra convertible with about 97k miles that is being sold for only $8200, but I'm not sure if there might be something wrong with it - not to mention, I am not the biggest fans of convertibles especially up in Colorado LOL :D. What do you think, good sir? Please, anyone else with experience, please weigh in!
Sincerely,Kris
Kristjen Štjuprić My mach 1 has 120k miles on it and has given me no trouble. I also daily a truck and my GT and have the mach 1, Cobra as weekend toys. That works well for me. if you are more limited on space because of the apartment, I would just buy the Mach 1 and enjoy it. My brother just sold his for $8,500 with 130k miles or so on it. It’s about right on price
Great review! Very helpful! If I'm not mistaken, though they are not from the factory, many Roush, Saleen, and other mustang tuner cars came with the 6 speed.
Il not sure. I suppose there could be a special edition car with a 6 speed, but i’m not aware of one
Danny Johnson I know that Roush stage 2 and 3s came with 6 speeds. And the 03 Roush stage 2 was really just a gt with a Roush tuned cold air intake and body kits with side exhaust.
Danny Johnson also, I'm actually in the market for a mach. I'm looking at one being sold by a very very reputable Ford tuner shop near me. It's super clean and has 58k on it. It's already been tuned but if bought will be Dyno tuned on the spot and the tuner comes with the car. I'm from new york and the prices here are quite high compared to what you stated in the video though. You're not touching a good 03 04 cobra without 20k in hand and mach's can even touch 20's here. I'm looking at 14k for the one I'm interested in and it will be my daily. Was wondering if you had any advice price wise.
Danny, you got the best of both worlds with those 2 beauties! If I was capable of it, I would have done the same thing because I love both cars too. But alas, I had to choose only one...Cobra. Not my daily driver though...I inherited a Mercury Sable so I have the Cobra for my summer weekend warrior! Funny thing, I first started out intending to buy a Mach 1(love that shaker!), but the Cobra bewitched me. LOL Nice video Dan!
I would have made the same choice if it were only one. Just don't tell my mach 1 that ha ha. The Mach 1 was a perfect car for me during college, and I'm glad my wife let me hold onto it when I got the Cobra. :)
You have a great wife there as well as 2 cool cars! I envy you bro.
Ha ha. Thanks. It took some negotiating for sure ha ha.
Ebay just sold a 2004 Mach 1 competition orange for 17500 with 4500 miles garaged . It was sent to steeda and only 1 exist on the number plate, it probably has five grand worth of steeda upgrades and was on ebay for 14500 with 32 bids but somebody pull the trigger and bought early for full price 17500 and that’s was a steal for basically a candy wrapper mustang . I would get the 04 cobra . But Mach 1 is Going for very good prices right now
Captain Howdy Both are good and some people may pay more or equal for either car I suppose
I still think the 01 cobra is better than the mach 1, the only bad for the cobra 01 was the IRS it's not really for dragging. But over all I prefer the cobra 01 to the mach 1. But don't get me wrong everyone has his own preference and I totally understand that. GREAT VIDEO well done.
Thanks. I really like both cars, maybe leaning towards the mach 1 for the shaker hood, decals, etc. You can’t go wrong with either
@@dannyjohnsonsgarage totally agree about the saker and the decals 👍👍👍
Just not spinning the blower everywhere you go..cracked me up.
#truth
What bolt-ons do you have for your Mach 1? Have you put it on a dyno once the bolt-ons were installed to see how much power it makes at the wheels? How do like the 4.10 gears? I've been debating 3.90 vs 4.10. What speeds (mph) did your redline change to for gears 1-3 going from 3.55 to 4.10? Sorry for so many questions.
It’s about 10 mph lower in each gear at redline. The 4.10s are great and even pull hard on the freeway, but it is rough to do any extended driving on the freeway at 2,500+rpm. I have a BAMA email tune that is super rich. I put a wideband on it and it was about 12:1 AFR. I don’t Have a dyno number but pulled a 2V who was at 270rwhp, which the mach 1s usually do stock, so it’s gotta be the 300+rwhp or so
@@dannyjohnsonsgarage, thanks for the info!
Nice garage looks like mine, I got a 04 TR Cobra and an 04 Comp Orange Mach 1
Very cool!
I have a 2003 mustang mach 1 The same color is behind you ❤ It’s a beautiful car I love the way how it’s look it’s handled very well but is automatic I don’t know is this good thing or not
I bought it last week it has only 28,000 miles❤
It was the first time to get a 32V mustang with the automatic, but it does come with the cast 6 bolt crank instead of the forged 8 bolt crank. It’s still a nice car and you’d never need the difference in the crankshaft unless you Try to make a lot of power, and the rods will break first on both cars before the crank, so just a few tid bits of info. Great cars
I've sort of got option 3. Have terminator for weekend fun and an 04 GT (auto) for a daily driver since I live/commute in the city. Also only have 1 car garage so the GT goes on the street.
As you’ll see in my recent videos, I got my old GT back, so now I have option 4 ha ha. Too many cars 🙂
For me, I would go with the Mach 1!...I am currently a Left Leg Below the Knee Amputee and can't Drive the Manual anymore!...So when I found out about the 03/04 Mach 1 comes with a 4sp Auto Trans that was an easy Choice for me!
I would probably swap the Mach 1 front Bumper for the Cobra front Bumper with Spoiler and Fog Lamps!...Then I would Swap the Cobra IRS into the Mach 1 rear end and I am planning to do a Coyote 5.0L engine swap with a 6R80 6sp Auto Trans!...I am Just Saying!...God Bless!
BTW!...I use to have a 69 Mach 1 back in the 70's until it was STOLEN!...So the 03/04 Mach 1 would be my Replacement for my 69 Mach 1 that was Stolen from Me!...Feel Me?
I have thrown so much money at my 03 cobra LOL. It has been sitting for a month now because I was at the gas station and I saw a new e85 pump.. So injector and fuel pump and another dyno tune it is
I believe 99 saleen extreme had 6speed first
This is why I love humanity and the car scene. We are all so different. I love the cobra and dislike the Mach 1 😆.. I like how it sounds but the bumpers, wheels and I don’t care for the hood. I don’t care for the stripe on it either. But that’s why there’s different cars for different people ❤️. I’m sure there’s something I like that you would think is ugly 😁
Luckily I like both and so I get a lot of variety I enjoy
Great video. Why don't anyone mention the unique A pillar on the Mach.
Vico Moya I mentioned it at 3:21 in my design video. You might enjoy it as well th-cam.com/video/TMbXdcU9kPY/w-d-xo.html
I would love to get the Terminator '03-'04 Cobra but I couldn't afford it... Given that I want to get a foxbody Mustang (mid 80s with the four eye setup) and swap in a Terminator + T56 six speed along with a nice rear end with 3.73's ... I really could technically just go and pay the $13,000-$15,000 that most of these '04 Cobras especially are going for that are not convertibles... I just rather a coupe than a convertible; however, the '84, '85, and '86 Mustangs I was looking at - some had T-Tops which I still love :D What do you guys think? I would end up paying about $10,000 at least to get my fox where I want it to be and probably about $2500 for the car unless it has a 302 in it already and has some work done to it then it might be even more than the Cobra LOL
Please invest in a hand held gimble. This person was shaking the camera so much. Great explanation on the 2 cars, it will certainly help me choose as I am in the market for one (can't afford both...lol)
If I were to get a stock 03 Terminator and not beat it crazy would it be a good daily driver?
yes. they are good cars. many drive them daily. Anything that would go wrong I pretty much have a video for (intercooler pump, alternator, pulley bearings, etc)
Danny Johnson thank you. I really appreciate that you put in a lot of time to educate us.
Glad it’s worthwhile. Thanks for watching- it makes it worthwhile for me to make them if people enjoy them
Yes
I heard you say the connecting rods and the pistons are the weak points for the Mach 1. If replaced, what would you got with?
freddie hugley I would go with manley h beams (even used terminator rods are great and will work) and a cp or diamond brand piston with a little less dish than the cobra piston to raise the conservative cobra 8.5 compression ratio and be perhaps a little less than the mach 1’s original 10:1 (maybe 9.5:1) depending on supercharger setup or if you are going n/a
This is for my 04 Marauder. Had motor replaced a year and a half ago. Had to drop car back off to the people that did the work, "piston slap" when starting.
Hey Danny, I own an 03' Cobra and am looking around to change the shifter. I just want a longer shifter to make shifting a little easier. I'm 6'0" and with long arms and still find myself reaching to shift. Any suggestions?
racerxnk the pro 5.0 shifter with the steeda handle works great for a long handle. Other than that, mgw (newest version) has a lot of options
Great explanatory video as usual 👌🏻! Thanks
Great video brother 👍🏻👍🏻
Rocky Archambeau Thanks for watching!
The Mach1,in my humble opinion, would be the better choice. The 4.6 in the Mach1 is an ALL aluminum DOHC, you get the choice if a 5sp or an automatic. A HUGE difference is the Mach1 came from the factory with subframe connectors. The automatic in the 2003 is crap,but the 04 was WAY better. The Cobras had more power, no argument there,but that independent rear end really kept it from being better. Most people I know with 03-04 Cobras have swapped solid axles. In the end, it's not an argument, it's just each to their own...they are both AMAZING Mustangs!!!
It definitely depends on what’s important to the individual. The good news is they are both great!
@@dannyjohnsonsgarage Yes sir, that's why I ended my post the way I did...out of a lot of the 30-04 Mach1 & Cobra videos on TH-cam, yours is probably the most correct on those cars. Thanks for replying & be safe my friend! 8 )
a cobra terminator of course I drove a mach1 I felt no big difference between my 00 gt and the mach1 looks good but thats really about it for me. the COBRA ON. THE OTHER HAND fell in love with it and also performed very well stock wise
thank you Danny latter i would like to up grade to a Whipple or just all the bolt on i can put on which fuel pump do you recommend and where to get it
If you have any future plans to make some significant power, I would strongly look into even a return fuel system from Fore and look at some set ups from lethal performance. Take a look at their fuel systems and pumps. That would be probably the best place to shop
hello danny trying to buy fuel pumps terminator where do I go get them autozone and oreilly dont have them do you know the part number. where to go get them
svt power stock replacements? What power level are you looking at and are you considering E85?
Fuck man I want a Mach 1. Holy shit I want it bad.
They are sweet cars. Cool design, and it’s cool Ford put the DOHC engine in them unlike the bullitt which was a GT SOHC
Nice cars brother, I agree with you, if u can, have both. Unfortunately most of us can only afford 1, if u ask Cobra'. But I would take either, & their both going to go up in value. Anyway great video & God bless.
Thanks for watching and for your input
Looking at a red 2003 Mach 1 just like yours with only 4100 miles on it.
They want 20,000 grand for it don't know if it's worth it.
But it's like buying a new car.
That would be a nice car if you intend to keep it as a garage queen, but take it from me, the Mach 1 will always be over shadowed by the Terminator, and you can get a terminator for that price. That Mach 1 would be worth about $14,000 max to me. It will also be a collectible and the milage is good, but you will be more sure to have a return on the investment if it’s put towards a terminator. That’s my opinion
Hey Danny I bought a fuel pump for a terminator 10th anniversary will it fit in the regular terminator cobra
Yes. They are the same (and there are two of them). This video will help- the only real difference is 2 pumps coining out. I’d strongly suggest changing the filter as well because it’s hard to get to with the IRS but will be easily accessible with the tank dropped th-cam.com/video/UhgkGXLSkl0/w-d-xo.html
TERMINATOR,Had One for 3.5 Years, STILL One Of BEST BANGS FOR THE BUCK!! I've Seen Mach1' s ,That W/ A Crank Change,Rods & , Pistons,Do 550-585 h.p. TERMINATORS Are Capable of 750 h.p. W/ Stk.Internals,Before Wrist Pins Get A Little Squirrley.U Can Upgrade the Half Shafts,Up to Stage 5 ,W/ Parts From A Company in No.Carolina.Stk.Half Shafts Are Good for About 550-600 h.p.
I say buy a high mileage cobra and daily drive the shit out of it!
I have a 2000 GT and I would easily turn it in for a Terminator I wouldn't even care if the paint was all fucked up
Mustang GT I felt the same way. Luckily my Mach 1 was in fair condition but with a bad transmission. I really lucked out with my terminator. Once I saw it I had to have this specific car
Danny Johnson thanks for replying so fast but I also lucked out with my GT my dad worked for a Tow truck Company and he towed the GT in and it was involved in a small accident the owner didn't have insurance and couldn't get everything in order to get the car out of the storage lot so my dad's boss told me I could have the car but I had to pay him $800 and I could have it so I have a GT for $800
Danny Johnson what if I got a Mach 1 and upgraded the pistons fuel pump and connecting rods? Could I safely push 500whp?
Yes. It will hold good power with better pistons and rods (if a 5 speed car it already has a forged crank). Just keep in mind the total cost involved compare to a cobra. You might not get the money back vs a cobra
Danny Johnson I plan on keeping the car is the thing I want a Mach one because of the body style and interior design 5 speed with cobra power I’m just trying to figure out how much it would cost to get my Mach 1 to handle 500rwhp without serious boost like nitrous or turbos really want a super charger whine I hear Kenne bells the way to go but I’m not sure of any of it really love the new edge mustangs but prefer a 4v and a supercharger that screams “This ponys boutta take y’all for a ride” lol 😂
Broken Silence They did make a 2.1L Kenne bell kit specifically for the mach 1. They are hard to find, but that would be an easy upgrade. My next option would be a complete eaton swap from a cobra. My personal preference, don’t go centrifugal
Danny Johnson what about the pistons and forged connecting rods? The pistons are the weak point or is it both in the Mach 1?
Broken Silence The rods are the weakest point, and pistons need to be upgraded (and more dished) to lower compression ratio for a safety. The mach 1 is 10:1 compression ratio, and if you’re running the right fuel and low boost that will make good power, but you might want to lower it to 9.5:1 or so. That’s achieved with more dish in the pistons. Leave the crank alone (since it’s a 5 speed car it’s the same as the cobras crank), and then upgrade to forged rods and pistons
So im doing a terminator motor swap i have the termi trans with aluminum driveshafth . do i have to change the stock gears on the bullitt.?
The stock gears are 2.73. You don’t need to change them, but 3.55s are great that the cobra comes with or even 3.73s.
@@dannyjohnsonsgarage u the man bro thanks for the help . the man the sold the 04 termi cobra also sold me the dashboard do i need to change it . the bullitt dashboard its just like i noticed a yellow wire on the 04 behind the glove compartment it has a label that says boost i think im gonna need tha wire right i believe in the 03 cobras the wire is black
I realize this video is a couple yrs old now, but you mention finding a Mach 1 for $8k and a Cobra for $13k... in recent online shopping ventures, I'm not seeing prices that low for decent examples. And Haggerty is estimating the values for a 70k mile Mach 1 in the $14k range. Have prices risen recently, or what is going on? Your thoughts are welcome...
List price and sale price are two different things. I see people listing for higher prices, but what they sell for (what you see people posting on facebook “hey just bought this for $x,xxx) is still under $10k for mach 1s unless they have very low miles because everyone will say $12k+ is terminator money.” Terminators are being listed for $25k-$30k for low miles or modded well. It really depends on what someone will pay and what they’ll let them go for.
I just saw a black terminator 75k miles, $18k
@@dannyjohnsonsgarage So if I found a Mach 1 in near showroom condition (true story), manual, with only intake and exhaust done, and the person listed it for $13,500...Is that too high on avg? I was thinking so, but now I'm not sure. Edit... has 70k miles...
I'm 18 I bought a white mach 1 with 130k on it, not mint has a little dent in the fender, anyway I love it but it seems geared way too high, are 410s too low for highway use? I was thinking of 373s. I dont want to rev the shit out of it driving to car shows doing 75
dakota croasdale I did 4.10s and I really like them, but on the freeway at 2,500+rpm it feels like I need a 6th gear lol. I would stay with 3.55s or go 4.10, but 3.73 is one of my favorite gears, just not worth the hassle since you already have 3.55s. Here is my video. I have an overview and a more specific series as well th-cam.com/video/6bag7fdWNlI/w-d-xo.html
@@dannyjohnsonsgarage okay thank you for the advice!
Heard they have a good bottom end for power adders
Only the crank shaft on the Mach 1
How did you get insurance for $25 a month? I'm looking to get a mach 1 and I'm only going to drive it from work and back (buying low miles and don't want to run it up) and I dont want the insurance to wipe me out.
Mine was collector car insurance though American Collectors. It can’t be more than 3,000 miles a year and must be in a locked garage
There's no deciding the Mach 1 is the step before getting the 03 Cobra .
Hey Dan i put up a video of my cobra and my dad's if can get 2 it
NHWilderness awesome video and cars! I subscribed and dropped a comment!
terminator all day
Hey Danny it turns out that AutoZone gave me the wrong fuel pump.oreilly sell one but I don't trust them (precision fuel pump part# E 16439) will my terminator be OK if I use this fuel pump. flow rate ( GPH ) 40 gph Maximum pressure PSI 70 psi
rcguy86 that pump would come out to 151 liters per hour, which is a little less than the Cobras pumps at 155 liters per hour. Personally, I would not do that. I would go for some actual cobra pumps, or upgrade to the ford GT super Car pumps if you have any mods on the car whatsoever
hello danny trying to buy fuel pumps terminator where do i go to get them antozone and oreilly dont have the right one.do you know the part number for the right ones and where to get them
Hey Danny..can I get .mirrors like those for my 01 GT. ??.LASER RED
yeah, you will have to get them painted. They are usually $300-$450. Search for 2003-2004 cobra mirrors on ebay
Danny Johnson .tx..will start looking
Hey I see you know a lot about mach 1s do you know how many 04 yellow 5 speed with the silver interior option were made my father in law had one but got totaled I want to know how many they made exactly like his
Gino Sanchez Yes, only 679 Screaming Yellow Mach 1s came with the interior upgrade package (IUP). Screaming Yellow was also only offered for 2004. Here is a link to that information www.mach1registry.org/forums/showthread.php?t=7542&page=7
Gino Sanchez You may also enjoy my Mach 1 production video by color th-cam.com/video/JPFRldAUxTI/w-d-xo.html
@@dannyjohnsonsgarage thank you for getting back to me been very curious about finding out and awesome 4V's
I want a cobra and mach1 I currently have a gt
Most Hated I just got my GT back. Very grateful. Now I have all 3
Most Hated th-cam.com/video/AfrBIbpR-sk/w-d-xo.html
@@dannyjohnsonsgarage that is my current goal to get all three and enjoy them they're fun
I would put max lift cams on the Mach 1.
Yeah, that sounds mean, but I don’t like the car sounding like it’s about to stall or the shaking idle
I have a Mach 1 cammed with nitrous weighing in at 3260. Bye-bye Full bolt on termi! Both cars are bad ass. Termi for the win on bang for buck. Mach 1 for being slightly more collectable IMO. Two great cars none the less.
How did you get it so light? Mine's about 40 LBS lighter than Ford lists it (3420 LBS) but it's still too heavy :)
Black 04 mach 1..
Mr H&K 91 I really like the black how it hides the factory stripes, but you can see them if you look close. I’ve also seen someone do red stripes on the black it looked great too
does the 2001 cobra 4V have a forged aluminum block
The block is aluminum. In 2001 you could have the chance of getting the better teksid heat treated aluminum block or the windsor assembly plant (wap). Both are plenty strong with the teksid being better quality. The crankshaft, however is forged.
Mach 1 is more closely compared to a 99/01 cobra. Everyone seems to forget these cars exist.
I was quite disappointed with the performance on my friend’s 01 Cobra. It must be the 3.27s
Mach 1 is cheaper and looks way better imo, but the Cobra is easily the better performer and has a stronger engine build.
I enjoy both for their own strengths 💪🏼
I just found a black 03 mach1 for 4,000 with 140,000 miles.
Mr. Big That’s about what it’s worth, but you need to ask if it’s worth paying a few thousand more and getting one with 1/3 the miles
To me that's a steal I could have got one for 6,000 with the same amount of miles automatic transmission which is more rare but I ended up getting a WS6 Trans Am with lower miles and it was $1,000 cheaper but I'm still keeping my eye out for a automatic Mach 1
Nathan Lopez LS1 is a good option as well
Which ever I could afford at the moment.
the best of both worlds, mach 1 with a terminator swap
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My opinion, i think the mach 1 is a level down compared to the cobra. Still bad ass tho. Def better than a GT base 2 v.
Yes, a better version than the 01 cobra, but vastly overshadowed by the terminator
@@dannyjohnsonsgarage yep. Terminator on a whole other level lol
I've had both but I can argue that the Cobra is the more expensive route. When you have a capable car such as the Cobra you start pushing it and you start breaking it. I could not afford to dump money into the Cobra after spending twice the amount I did for my previous Mach 1 so it stayed pullied until I had to sell it when I transferred college. My friend however did have the money and he got a Whipple but he ended up having to rebuild his motor, trans, and IRS. Meaning he spent twice as much as the Mach 1 then he had to rebuild all of his drive train because he kept making more power. I do not see the point in this, I think getting a Mach 1 and building the motor and drive train will be cheaper because you'll have to do it in the Cobra anyways if you really want power. I am out of college now and going to a Mach 1 again. Honestly, the Cobra looks better from the outside but from the inside the Mach 1 is much more entertaining with that shaker scoop and the sexy hood design (the car is meant to make me happy not others) plus a Mach 1 with 99 01 front bumper looks killer IMO
Kun Lee Well, anything that happens to the cobra would have happened to the mach 1. Keep in mind as well that if you are pushing your cobra to the max and planning to build it (and spend the same money you’d spend on the mach 1) you can be smart and remove the factory cobra parts and sell them before they are broken and make much more money than you could for your old mach 1 parts. People will still pay $2k for a t56 and so you’re able to upgrade to a magnum with $2k in your pocket. Same goes with the engine- you can easily get $6k for your stock cobra engine and begin a build with $6k in your pocket. Same goes with the irs. You can sell it for $1,300 and build a sra for that same money, so you’re much better off if you do it right. Most of all, the cobra will always be worth more than the mach 1, so if you do it right you’ll never lose you’re investment. If you build a mach 1 you’re money is gone
Danny Johnson I see where youre coming from as far as Cobra parts having more value but when you say you cant make your money back with the Mach 1, that goes for the Cobra too. Think of the market availble for a fully built Cobra, you wont have many people with that much cash available so you're going to have to drop the price or wait quite a long time to sell which will hurt if you're in a pinch. I doubt you will see any noticeable return in the mods you put into your Cobra just like the Mach 1. I see people trying to sell a fully build Cobra for ~30k privately listed but the mod list looks like a ~40k investment on top of the price of their Cobra. I guess you can pull out the factory Cobra parts and install built parts like you said and swap them out when you decide to sell but you are talking about much higher initial investment on a 25 year old car none the less. I really wish you can change my mind because you seem to have a lot of experience and knowledge of these cars than I but I'm still not sold on the Cobra over the Mach 1. I loved driving it but I am really not sure about the benefits vs cost of the car if I plan to modify and make power. Btw we are following each other on IG :)
well, they are 15 years old, maybe that was a typo? The main point I was making in my video was I was looking at over $20k in a build (me doing all the labor) to get where the cobra I bought was. So with the investment of my mach 1+ mods I’m looking at $30k for the same car I bought (my cobra) for $23k, already built and with the whipple and I can sell the cobra still for $23k easy whereas the mach 1 would be lucky to get $15k built. People just don’t pay much for a mach 1 with the cobra as an option that’s holding its value. You also see people put $5k into an upgraded blower on the cobra and still get at least $3k more if they sell it that way whereas mach 1s would require $3k for an eaton swap or $13k for a cobra drive train and may not even go up a few thousand in value. I’ve seen terminator swapped ones that won’t even sell for $15k and eaton ones that only handle 450hp don’t sell for more than $2k over their going rate because they are limited to 450hp.
At any rate, it may be worth it to others to build their car, but for just the price in parts I added a second asset I can sell and both cars are still worth what I paid for them. I guess that’s just my preference
Yes very much a typo! I see where you are coming from in terms of losing more money with the Mach 1 when it comes to selling. I guess the significant decision making I have to do is deciding on the trade offs on losing money when it comes to selling and if I can spend around $23k as an initial investment for a Cobra vs less than $10k for the Mach 1 with about the same mileage and condition. I am just getting started with my career so this is a big issue. I appreciate your feedback, I have some thinking to do to make sure I'll be happy with my purchase of either car, but I definitely cannot afford both like you, not until I move up in my career and get a house to keep them but that's a long ways away
Mach 1 looks just as good or better from the outside too