I consider myself a Jeep Patriot expert/nerd. (I've owned 3, currently running a 2017 Fd2). Anyway this is the most impressive video I've seen regarding Patriots. I learned some new things and I thought I knew everything about the Patriot. Awesome video and content!
@@shoveI Back in the day, long ago when the Patriot first came out I went to Sedona and did some rock crawling that really shows how impressive the Brake Lock Differential is...From About 14 years ago. th-cam.com/video/FRMXt9QCiyw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=gIhs06hliCFDcsR6
@MontanaMedic13 I’m confused about what the Freedom Drive 2 looks like as opposed to the other options. Is it the one with the small chrome t-handle that says something like 4WD or something like that?
@@m1cajah According to Jeep: The Freedom Drive II Off-Road Package The Freedom Drive II Off-Road Package provides excel- lent capability on and off-road. The package includes: • 2.4L DOHC 16-Valve 14 (172 bhp @ 6000 RPM, 165 lb-ft @4400 RPM) • Second generation continuously variable transaxle (CVT2L) with 19:1 crawl ratio • Tow Hooks: two front and one rear • Front engine and transaxle skid plate • Fuel tank skid plate • Air filtration system Unique springs for a 1 in (2.5 cm) of increased ride height • Fog lamps • Seat height adjust • Three-mode Electronic Stability Program (ESP) • Hilldescent control • Unique off-road engine calibration for optimum off- road performance with premium fuel • Off-road Brake Traction Control • Unique off-road Anti-lock brake calibration • Heavy duty cooling package (Eng/larger CVT oil cooler, High capacity cooling fans) • Heavy duty alternator • Improved body sealing and high located drivetrain component vents
I went to discount tires and they recommended me 18s. Now my abs light is on after two weeks. And idk if the tire size is related to it. I wish I had watched this video before
I have the 235/70R16’s on my 2016 2.0 Sport. I love the difference in height and looks, but gas does seem to suffer a bit. At highway speeds it’s fine actually, RPM’s are lower and get ~ 26mpg, but in town I usually get 17/18. Anyway, I tried fixing the tire size based on your old video, but I think the CVT models can’t be adjusted, unless they updated it, because it results in limp mode. I spent a couple hours googling on how to fix my mistake. I might try looking into it again, it would be great to get it to work. JSCAN is great though, I used it to make a spare key. Probably saved me from paying $300 to a dealer to make one. That’s gotta be one of the biggest scams out there.
I have a 2015 Jeep Patriot with General Altimax RT-45 tires and have driven through snow like no other car I've ever owned. This is the best one that I've had in the snow. It's sufficient for everything that I need it for, and it hauls some PA equipment around for me.. Thank you for the video.
I successful changed tires size through JScan on my Patriot up to 235/70/R16 (it lifted 2 inches) the problem is cruise control cannot work on 6 gears, anothers shifts are ok. Patriot 2009 Diesel 2.0 4x4 menual.
Thank you for this. I just got my 235/75r/15s put on my 2017 Patriot today. Looks great! I was going to get a 2 inch lift but they seem to charge a lot to install it so I think I’ll just stick with it as is and send the kit back. Let me know what you think, be blessed!
Congrats! Just my opinion these Jeeps don't benefit from a lift, unless cosmetic appearance is your main goal. If it's just about looks? Sure. If it's about capability you've got some real limited overall suspension travel (CV axle interference up front, wild camber changes in back) so what you gain in clearance you give up in ride and articulation - not to mention how many people wind up struggling with alignment after a lift.
Hi I have a 2011 Compass with 4 inch lift kit and i have put 245/75R16. It was rub a bit in the front inner fender but with little bit of trimming not its totally clear.
I'm finding this real impossible to believe, there's no clearance between the CV axles and control arm up front for a lift anywhere near 4 inches. Are you certain you don't have a Commander or Liberty or something?
If you use the same size, yes it's OK to replace one tire. The slight difference in size from being new won't cause a problem. There are no dry clutches, nor any clutches at all in continuous mesh at highway speeds. The wheel speed sensors are not sensitive enough to be set off by that minor difference in wheel speed either.
there is no transfer case. the rear differential or "RDU" contains a wet clutch which is electrically activated. That is the only friction element in the 4wd system. Under normal daily driving on surfaces with decent traction it pulses on momentarily each time you depart from a stop and then remains off the entire rest of the time you drive. If you are on very slippery surfaces the clutch engages frequently but the slip on the ground would offset any tire size difference. When you lock the 4wd with the small lever between the seats it tells the rear drive unit to engage continually but it still pulses off when going around corners and disengages completely at 35mph and above, and it has a temperature model that can identify when it has generated too much heat. These units almost never wear out any time during the life of the vehicle so unless you are using it very abusively or you neglect fluid service intervals there is really no likelihood of damage from the minor difference in a new and old tire of the same size. I would do it without a second thought, on my own Patriot.
Hey Shovel! Just found your vid after purchasing a 2017 patriot. Would a regular obd scanner like my mechanic has be able to program the speedometer? Or do I need the jscan program?
You can't do it with a standalone OBD2 scanner, you can only do it with an application that can do module and adaptation changes. That means JSCAN (I think that's the easiest), or AlfaOBD (similar to JSCAN), or a dedicated tire size programmer (like from Rough Country, etc) or a WiTech unit (what dealers/mechanics use for in-depth programming, udpates, etc) . If your mechanic has a WiTech or a subscription to FCA diagnostic software they may be able to do it but you'll be paying them a lot more for their time than a dongle and a JSCAN license costs.
As someone who bought a Patriot recently. I heard one important distinction in your video, bigger tires mean sacrificing torque… this sounds like a great excuse for a turbo install idk 🤷
Every once in a while someone says they're gonna do it but conspicuously they never come back to show it done 😁🤣 My opinion is it's just not worth it, for the same money it would cost to make a turbo Patriot you could just buy any of the other available 4wd's with the power and gearing you wanted.
@@shoveI oh sure, absolutely. I know how many cheaper and more capable 4x4’s I can buy for the money. But I also know I like this car a lot and for now it’s my daily. A little extra performance and fuel economy out of a car I already really like driving and fits my family doesn’t seem like a bad get.
Hey I am planning to install 2inch lift on my Patriot but would like to keep the stock 16inch rims.. Can I use a 235/70R16 AT on it? There is a guy here on YT rocking a 215/70R16 AT but if I could go to 235 would be better as they are cheaper atm at Walmart. What will be the best AT size tires in your opinion should I go with the stock 16inch steelies? Thanks!
Hi Sir I have a 2007 JEEP COMPASS..is it Advisable to Put 225/75/R16 on my Jeep to look Higher and More muscle For Off road? Very Good Video by the way💪
225/75R16 is 29.3" tall and could rub in a couple places on a Compass. A 225/70R16 is 1.1" larger diameter and 10mm wider than stock Compass tires and should have no difficulty.
I think it's pretty likely they'll fit! Tires do slightly vary by brand and model but the dimensions are supposed to be outer dimensions so a 235mm tire should be the same width no matter what brand.
I have a 2017 Jeep Patriot. The side of the door says it takes P205/70R16. I'm shopping for new tires. A tire sales person told me that I could go with a Michelin Defender 2 at 215/65R16. I know nothing about tires. Does this sound like it will work? I don't always trust sales people. Thank you!
Yes, you can do that size without any worries. A 215/65R16 is 0.3" smaller diameter and 0.4" wider than a 205/70R16 . Michelin Defender 2 are good tires that last a very long time.
Rubicons have a 5x127 lug pattern; Patriots are 5x114.3 . But if you're looking for other OEM wheels to buy cheap you can look at Dodge Journey, Mitsubishi Outlander, Dodge Caliber.. and also older Jeeps (ZJ, XJ, YJ) have a compatible bolt pattern. Mine are from a 1993 ZJ .
I consider myself a Jeep Patriot expert/nerd. (I've owned 3, currently running a 2017 Fd2). Anyway this is the most impressive video I've seen regarding Patriots. I learned some new things and I thought I knew everything about the Patriot. Awesome video and content!
Thanks for the kind words!
@@shoveI Back in the day, long ago when the Patriot first came out I went to Sedona and did some rock crawling that really shows how impressive the Brake Lock Differential is...From About 14 years ago. th-cam.com/video/FRMXt9QCiyw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=gIhs06hliCFDcsR6
@MontanaMedic13 I’m confused about what the Freedom Drive 2 looks like as opposed to the other options. Is it the one with the small chrome t-handle that says something like 4WD or something like that?
@@m1cajah According to Jeep:
The Freedom Drive II Off-Road Package
The Freedom Drive II Off-Road Package provides excel- lent capability on and off-road.
The package includes:
• 2.4L DOHC 16-Valve 14 (172 bhp @ 6000 RPM, 165 lb-ft @4400 RPM)
• Second generation continuously variable transaxle (CVT2L) with 19:1 crawl ratio
• Tow Hooks: two front and one rear
• Front engine and transaxle skid plate
• Fuel tank skid plate
• Air filtration system
Unique springs for a 1 in (2.5 cm) of increased ride height
• Fog lamps
• Seat height adjust
• Three-mode Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
• Hilldescent control
• Unique off-road engine calibration for optimum off- road performance with premium fuel
• Off-road Brake Traction Control
• Unique off-road Anti-lock brake calibration
• Heavy duty cooling package (Eng/larger CVT oil cooler, High capacity cooling fans)
• Heavy duty alternator
• Improved body sealing and high located drivetrain component vents
I went to discount tires and they recommended me 18s.
Now my abs light is on after two weeks. And idk if the tire size is related to it.
I wish I had watched this video before
Did excellent job braking it down, straight facts and nice conversation. Keep it going bro !
I just got 2015 jeep patriot 4x4 2.4L
I just got back from big sur and I love it.am trying to get some nice wheels lol
I have an outlander sport. They share a lot of parts with the compass and patriots (1st gen) great little utility vehicles
Love this
Just got a 2017 sport. Needs tires. Thk you. Subbed
Thanks for this video ive recently bought one here in the uk and want to upgrade my wheels and tyres this has been a huge help Thanks
Great to hear!
I have the 235/70R16’s on my 2016 2.0 Sport. I love the difference in height and looks, but gas does seem to suffer a bit. At highway speeds it’s fine actually, RPM’s are lower and get ~ 26mpg, but in town I usually get 17/18.
Anyway, I tried fixing the tire size based on your old video, but I think the CVT models can’t be adjusted, unless they updated it, because it results in limp mode. I spent a couple hours googling on how to fix my mistake. I might try looking into it again, it would be great to get it to work.
JSCAN is great though, I used it to make a spare key. Probably saved me from paying $300 to a dealer to make one. That’s gotta be one of the biggest scams out there.
I have been waiting for a video like this to be uploaded to TH-cam.
I'm glad you found it useful!
I have a 2015 Jeep Patriot with General Altimax RT-45 tires and have driven through snow like no other car I've ever owned. This is the best one that I've had in the snow. It's sufficient for everything that I need it for, and it hauls some PA equipment around for me.. Thank you for the video.
Thank you for video, hi from Ukraine
Very informative vid, even though I don’t drive a Jeep Patriot.
Also, I love the diabeetus seat covers lol
I successful changed tires size through JScan on my Patriot up to 235/70/R16 (it lifted 2 inches) the problem is cruise control cannot work on 6 gears, anothers shifts are ok. Patriot 2009 Diesel 2.0 4x4 menual.
Hi bro Is 235/70/R16 advisable also for 2007 Jeep compass?
Good vids man!
Thank you for this. I just got my 235/75r/15s put on my 2017 Patriot today. Looks great! I was going to get a 2 inch lift but they seem to charge a lot to install it so I think I’ll just stick with it as is and send the kit back. Let me know what you think, be blessed!
Congrats! Just my opinion these Jeeps don't benefit from a lift, unless cosmetic appearance is your main goal. If it's just about looks? Sure. If it's about capability you've got some real limited overall suspension travel (CV axle interference up front, wild camber changes in back) so what you gain in clearance you give up in ride and articulation - not to mention how many people wind up struggling with alignment after a lift.
Hi
I have a 2011 Compass with 4 inch lift kit and i have put 245/75R16. It was rub a bit in the front inner fender but with little bit of trimming not its totally clear.
I'm finding this real impossible to believe, there's no clearance between the CV axles and control arm up front for a lift anywhere near 4 inches. Are you certain you don't have a Commander or Liberty or something?
Im running 235/70/17 with 2 inch lift and inch spacers. Works pretty well
Can you just replace one tire on jeep Patriot 4x4 if one goes bad?
If you use the same size, yes it's OK to replace one tire. The slight difference in size from being new won't cause a problem. There are no dry clutches, nor any clutches at all in continuous mesh at highway speeds. The wheel speed sensors are not sensitive enough to be set off by that minor difference in wheel speed either.
@@shoveISo it won't mess up the transfercase? I know the newer Jeeps or Durango if one goes bad you need to replace all 4.
there is no transfer case. the rear differential or "RDU" contains a wet clutch which is electrically activated. That is the only friction element in the 4wd system. Under normal daily driving on surfaces with decent traction it pulses on momentarily each time you depart from a stop and then remains off the entire rest of the time you drive. If you are on very slippery surfaces the clutch engages frequently but the slip on the ground would offset any tire size difference. When you lock the 4wd with the small lever between the seats it tells the rear drive unit to engage continually but it still pulses off when going around corners and disengages completely at 35mph and above, and it has a temperature model that can identify when it has generated too much heat.
These units almost never wear out any time during the life of the vehicle so unless you are using it very abusively or you neglect fluid service intervals there is really no likelihood of damage from the minor difference in a new and old tire of the same size. I would do it without a second thought, on my own Patriot.
@@shoveI Thanks for the info!
Hey Shovel! Just found your vid after purchasing a 2017 patriot. Would a regular obd scanner like my mechanic has be able to program the speedometer? Or do I need the jscan program?
You can't do it with a standalone OBD2 scanner, you can only do it with an application that can do module and adaptation changes. That means JSCAN (I think that's the easiest), or AlfaOBD (similar to JSCAN), or a dedicated tire size programmer (like from Rough Country, etc) or a WiTech unit (what dealers/mechanics use for in-depth programming, udpates, etc) .
If your mechanic has a WiTech or a subscription to FCA diagnostic software they may be able to do it but you'll be paying them a lot more for their time than a dongle and a JSCAN license costs.
I am planning to put 265/60/R18..bcoz I have stock rims 18'
Those are massive, did u do it?
Where can I get the OBD Link MX plus?
obdlink dot com has 'em (straight from the manufacturer)
So for my 2010 patriot stock 16in Wheels I can get away with 235 70r16, mine is lifted 2in also
Just trying to see whats the biggest i can fit this helps out a lot
Very imformative!
As someone who bought a Patriot recently. I heard one important distinction in your video, bigger tires mean sacrificing torque… this sounds like a great excuse for a turbo install idk 🤷
Every once in a while someone says they're gonna do it but conspicuously they never come back to show it done 😁🤣 My opinion is it's just not worth it, for the same money it would cost to make a turbo Patriot you could just buy any of the other available 4wd's with the power and gearing you wanted.
@@shoveI oh sure, absolutely. I know how many cheaper and more capable 4x4’s I can buy for the money. But I also know I like this car a lot and for now it’s my daily. A little extra performance and fuel economy out of a car I already really like driving and fits my family doesn’t seem like a bad get.
Nice video
Will that work with the factory 17" rims?
Yes, lots of people running 235/65R17 on stock 17" Patriot wheels
Hey I am planning to install 2inch lift on my Patriot but would like to keep the stock 16inch rims.. Can I use a 235/70R16 AT on it? There is a guy here on YT rocking a 215/70R16 AT but if I could go to 235 would be better as they are cheaper atm at Walmart. What will be the best AT size tires in your opinion should I go with the stock 16inch steelies? Thanks!
235/70R16 fits fine without a lift.
Hi Sir I have a 2007 JEEP COMPASS..is it Advisable to Put 225/75/R16 on my Jeep to look Higher and More muscle For Off road? Very Good Video by the way💪
225/75R16 is 29.3" tall and could rub in a couple places on a Compass. A 225/70R16 is 1.1" larger diameter and 10mm wider than stock Compass tires and should have no difficulty.
Thank you for the info 💪
I hope u can also discuss Jeep compass 2007 on ur segment
What can you say about Jeep Liberty 2006 3.7 and 2.8 D?
I'm afraid I just don't know a lot about the Liberty platform, never owned one or worked on one.
Do you think a venom power hunter 235/60/18 will fit without rubbing since it has bigger treads on the tire??
I think it's pretty likely they'll fit! Tires do slightly vary by brand and model but the dimensions are supposed to be outer dimensions so a 235mm tire should be the same width no matter what brand.
I have a 2017 Jeep Patriot. The side of the door says it takes P205/70R16. I'm shopping for new tires. A tire sales person told me that I could go with a Michelin Defender 2 at 215/65R16. I know nothing about tires. Does this sound like it will work? I don't always trust sales people. Thank you!
Yes, you can do that size without any worries. A 215/65R16 is 0.3" smaller diameter and 0.4" wider than a 205/70R16 . Michelin Defender 2 are good tires that last a very long time.
@@shoveI Thank you very much for your help and for sharing your knowledge. I really appreciate all your kindness and sharing spirit. Bless you.
I bought 265/65 r17
Is gonna work
Would factory 17“ Rubincon wheels fit on a Patriot ?
Rubicons have a 5x127 lug pattern; Patriots are 5x114.3 . But if you're looking for other OEM wheels to buy cheap you can look at Dodge Journey, Mitsubishi Outlander, Dodge Caliber.. and also older Jeeps (ZJ, XJ, YJ) have a compatible bolt pattern. Mine are from a 1993 ZJ .