Paper Mario Fans' Biggest Lie
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.ค. 2024
- Since 2016, Paper Mario fans have been divided on Color Splash; Especially its battle system. But is it really so different?
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color splash enjoyer?? super paper mario disliker??? holy based????
We have a code paper, I repeat, code paper.
Prepare to arm Big Bob!
After the remakes of the original Mario RPG and Paper Mario TTYD and more importantly Mario & Luigi Brothership, I think they are going back to the original style of Mario RPGs. But Paper Mario will probably still have the paper aesthetic and hilarious writing of modern games, just with a unique character and story, so we get the best of both worlds
@@joopvanhedel1372 I hope they keep the overworld gameplay of the new games too.
As long as the writing and story for the newer games aren't still paper-themed...
Remake super and then that can move on to making new paper Mario games
Good, my star points, me star points
"Basically everything about the battle system in TTYD is in intact here, it's just a little different" you say that and yet there are no badges or partners present... The biggest appeal of TTYD is the gameplay customization and how you could pick and choose what badges you equip, which partners to upgrade first and how you build your Mario as he levels up, whether to focus on upgrading HP, FP, or BP. You can't do that AT ALL in color splash. You only get paint hammer scraps which the game constantly refills you with from whacking things in the overworld, and most enemies are defeated in 2-3 turns or less. Plus, the damage numbers are sugnificantly bigger than in TTYD or 64. You can't say that this is the same, when its vastly different and stripped down to being bare bones. The battle system was perfect and didn't need to be changed whatsoever, it was simple and complex at the same time. With every passing entry since Sticker star, they've been trying to fix a problem that wasn't there in the first place, they caused it themselves by uprooting the fundamental mechanics that made Paper Mario such a fun RPG.
Yeah this video is terrible. "It's the same except for the things that aren't" is true for literally everything in the world. Of course a CS fan doesn't get how "a little different" can make or break things
Modern Paper Mario isn't bad. Comparing modern paper Mario to older paper Mario is pointless because you're shaming a game for being bad at something it never tried to be.
SUPER BELOW STICKER STAR?! nah, just nah. super above paper mario at least
>complains about hyperbole
>uses hyperbole in title
@@altarcat I don’t think it’s hyperbole. A lot of people say that Color Splash’s battle system is nothing like TTYD’s.
@@Caleb_Bravo99 a lot of people also agree that color splash shares some battle traits with ttyd
Honestly, Color Splash is my favorite paper Mario game.
Honestly, I view almost all the Paper Mario games as good (except Sticker Star). I just started playing Color Splash a few days ago and I'm really enjoying it. I also love the new artstyle they went for.
Agreed, the artstyle in color splash and the origami king are the greatest in any mario game
That I can actually agree with. Though I don't really like Sticker Star and find Color Splash and The Origami King to be just fine - not great but not super terrible, though TOK inches more towards good than CS does imo - if there's one thing I can give them credit for is the artstyle, it looks pretty gorgeous
I think that every paper mario is good in its own way.
except for sticker star, that game should've been buried next to the E.T. Atari game
Mm, while we've been waiting too long already for Color Splash to be rescued from the WiiU, it's likely we may have to wait awhile longer if they're focusing on getting in fans' good graces again with the recent RPG remakes and and the new original Mario & Luigi coming out.
I’m a neutral party here, I haven’t really played any of the paper mario games, but saying that people should stop using hyperbole in their videos while your title literally says that these paper Mario TH-camrs are all lying about Color Splash 😭 There’s nothing wrong with enjoying the way that color splash does combat more, but even in the way you describe it here, they are clearly different. Most videos I’ve seen about these games wouldn’t disagree with you saying that the systems are SIMILAR, they just prefer the way one game handles it. That doesn’t mean they are all lying. It’s alright for people to have different opinions on them, it doesn’t mean everyone is lying lmao
I did enjoy my time with Color Splash, but there are some points I disagree with.
Comparing FP to paint doesn't really work, especially since the pre-painted cards makes paint less useful. You NEED FP to perform powerful attacks, you don't NEED paint to use strong cards because you can buy the pre-painted versions at the store, (except in specific scenarios like the thing cards). Paint is better as an overworld gimmick then a battle gimmick imo. The Hammer Scraps also don't make enough of a difference when you can just rely on the pre-painted cards.
The battles are pointless in SS CS & TOK, because you don't get stronger from them. You say that there are incentives to battle, but the ones you listed are literally obtainable in the overworld. You can get cards from the shop, paint from hitting objects, both coins AND paint from each paint star. Why would I waste my time battling when I already get those things outside of battle? You also said that HP and power increases as a you progress through the story, so once again, what is the point of battles?
I do think CS has its merits, because I like it and I would play it again, but I truly believe CS needed a better progression system in order to make battling feel more rewarding.
I like Color Splash, but my one issue is that Larry was horribly poorly localized in the English version. They seemingly did all that just to hide a single character trait because it shows that Larry isn't evil, just a kid in a situation that's difficult for him. They even replaced a returning trait from Paper Jam with "I love the smell of impending doom!" which is just really dumb...
My favorite is TTYD, but Color Splash and Origami King are really good games and are my other favorites just after TTYD.
I was initially annoyed because I thought it was about lore and claiming that modern and classic are "not canon to each other or mainline games" but luckily it was just about Color Splash being good.
Yea, honesly many RPG Mario games have weak localisation
O and I hate the "Classic and modern games don't take place in the same continuety" argument,
While I do personally like the game quite a bit, I can't say that it's a good game. The world is great, it's pretty funny, and the exploration is some of the best in the series, but I think the battle system, and especially the Things and how they are used in battle and during bosses really drag it down. I still think hammer scraps and cards aren't a good enough incentive to battle, especially since you don't need that much paint. Especially since it's so easy to buy cards or just find them on the ground, there isn't much of a reason to do battle when everything other than hammer scraps (which are effectively useless) can be found by just walking around. As well, the battles aren't very dynamic, as all you can do is sit there and throw your biggest cards that work for the situation at them. I'm glad the game improved on so many of Sticker Star's faults, like a shoddy battle system and the way the Things work, but it still isn't GOOD. These issues are still massive, still there. It's kinda like shitting on a carpet, being told that it's bad to do that, and then shitting on the carpet again, but cleaning it afterwards. You didn't fix the problem, you just made it slightly better. However, I will not say it's not enjoyable. I really do like the game, but I personally think it's extremely flawed, and I can't say that it's good for those reasons, but I won't stop anyone from trying to enjoy it. The train scene with all the Toads in it is still really funny tho
I don't see how you can say that you like it and also that it isn't good. If you like it, then by definition, it is good.
@@Caleb_Bravo99 do I like my dad? Yes. Is he a good person? Absolutely not
you can like something you know isn't good @@Caleb_Bravo99
@@Caleb_Bravo99hmm no? I can still admit that games have flaws wile still enjoin it. I really like the writing of color splash and the graphics, but the gameplay is pretty boring and feels like a total waste of time, the paint mechanic can be largely overlooked with pre-painted cards
@@Caleb_Bravo99 What kind of logic is that? You can still find ways to enjoy the game even if it isn’t good. World 4 in Sticker Star is an absolute blast to play and I still despise that game. Almost like I forgot I was playing Sticker Star and an actually good Mario game. I was actually liking the game until World 5.
this video was good for the most part, but i think saying the combat is “just like ttyd, just structured differently” is a bit disingenuous, especially after not talking about ttyd’s combat. because color splash doesn’t have the stage/audience mechanics, the special moves that need star power, and while you say that most badges’ effects are represented as cards, i’d say that’s false, as most badges are passive abilities, not active moves.
Keep in mind, i don’t hate color splash. hell, sticker star was my first game in the series and i loved it! i’m just saying, as someone who has only played ttyd now, you have been massively downplaying parts of that games’ battle system that i find to be the best parts of it.
"Things" are the replacement for special moves. But you're right that they're different and that not all badge abilities are here.
I get if fans aren't the biggest fan of a franchise straying from its roots, but that doesn't stop a game from being good. I'd argue Super Paper Mario is my favourite title in the Paper Mario series, despite it being nothing like the other games. Does that mean I dislike all the other Paper Mario games? No. I love Color Splash and TTYD. Sure, I wouldn't say they're the same, but that's what I like about them. They all bring something new and unique to the table.
I've said this before but, Sticker Star and Color Splash would have been better games if stickers/cards were only used as a replacement to FP. Standard moves should always be enabled. Also, badges would have been nice to see.
On a different tangent, despite me not liking the battle system and lack of visual personality in characters, Color Splash has the best music in the series. Can't take that from it.
Ruddy Road is the best introduction to a Mario game
Colour Splash gets way too much hate. It’s my 3rd Favourite in the series tbh. This was what started my love for Paper Mario too
I feel like people overstate how bad it is for the story to only have one partner that stays with you throughout the entire game. Only one partner ends up being relevant in the game's story per chapter anyway, so why not just consolidate it into one character that you can get to know better?
The partners in TTYD barely contribute to the stories of the chapters anyway, save for a few exceptions. Only Vivian and Bobbery (and debatably Koops) actually contribute, and the others are kind of just there.
6:09 Nah, this is just a bad comparison. Paint isn't FP, because FP is actually generally used for useful skills in battle that can help you in tight spots, whereas Color Splash has its battle system constructed in a way such that there's actually no reason for you to paint your cards. It takes up far too much time and fiddling around, and the difference between an unpainted card and a painted card is usually not significant enough for it to really matter. It feels like a tacked-on mechanic to encourage the use of the Wii U gamepad that has no real consideration for balance.
The big problem with Color Splash is the same as with Sticker Star, in that it has not much incentive for you to engage with its primary battle mechanics. It is faster, and easier, and generally less of a hassle, to not use paint except when you're absolutely required to, and without a true experience system the rewards you get from battling aren't anything that you won't find on the overworld in large quantities. RPGs as a genre are built on the assumption that the fights will give you some meaningful progression from engaging with them, and the series from Sticker Star onward just didn't seem to be interested in giving you that.
I compared paint to FP because they're used the same. It costs a resource to use an attack. And unpainted cards are definitely wayyy less effective than painted cards.
“It takes far too much time and fiddling around”
What game are you playing because it takes almost or even at most 1 minute to get your cards ready
I WILL fight people over this.
Super Paper Mario is one of the best Mario games in general
@@MikeDoesStuff_0 There’s nothing Mario about it. Which is one of my main complaints.
@mikeothers2004 It was my first Paper Mario and its my FAVORITE Mario game ever bc it’s absolutely BONKERS. Like yea Luigi is the harbringer of the apocalypse. Yea theres a creepy spider girl that breaks her neck and chases you in a mansion. Its great. Its so “not Mario like” that it makes the Mario multiverse MORE fascinating and, like..Mario is more interesting if the story he is in is also interesting. I love the game sm I quite literally cosplayed Mr L
@@galaxygerm1037 hot take: all those "multiverses" are lazy way of making "bigger worldbuilding". Also how does it sounds?
Me: what's your favourite Mario game ever?
You: you know, the one that is hardly like A Mario game!
Eh. Your opinions, my opinions.
So thought i'd clarify. I seriously won't fight anyone over this,okay?
Let's not stir up drama. I respect you if you hate the game nonetheless
Hey. As long as we're all happy.
But to be honest.
SPM's credits/end screen made me cry.
While i understand that the gameplay doesnt feel like Mario in some aspects,we still gotta respect the story
I’ve literally been replying color splash after 6 years back when I played it my first time, and I’m enjoying it a lot more than when I first played it.
For some example:
I didn’t know the KO hammer knocked an enemy into another.
I didn’t know the drill stomp acted like a hammer you can use in the air.
I didn’t realize how real and good the dialogue was, (at some point a ice bro just randomly makes a climate change joke)
I don’t know you could get concept art of the game in the museum
I didn’t know the song for when you get the big paint stars is a remix of the into theme to Paper Mario 64.
And in general I didn’t realize how fire the ost was.
Damn bro are you sure you played it when it came out?
Heh, and then there's the one Toad who was like, "I can't outlaw straws, cause then only outlaws will have straws!" And I'm like, "Huh, I wonder what that could be an allegory for!" 😏
Honestly, every Paper Mario game is good. Okay maybe not Sticker Star, but that game still has positives. I’m just so tired of the classic fans bad mouthing 2/3s of the series.
All I'll say is that I've only played three of the games in my lifetime and while I couldn't finish Super Paper Mario because I was an unskilled child. I didn't beat Color Splash because it bored me. I only got the TTYD Remake because of one song and it has given me mountains of enjoyment and 20 times the fun that Color Splash did
Color Splash hold a place in my heart because it was my first ever Paper Mario game and I loved it a lot. So much so that when Origami King was announced I literally was jumping for joy. However, once I got my hands on TTYD, I started to realize that this game had something that the last 2 didn’t have, actual characters (Thought I was gonna say exp, were ya?). See, what makes a character….a character is their mainly their design, name, and personality. When you give a character all of these traits, it makes them stand and makes them memorable. For example, if you see that same character again later in the game, even if you don’t remember their names you’ll know exactly who they are because of their design. When I think back on color splash, I struggle to remember any character their other then Huey because they have no personality, design, or name. For example, that Shy Guy on the train you talk to and later defeat, how in the world was I supposed to know that was the game guy from the train? If you actually made him different by at least giving him a design, I would’ve noticed nearly immediately. I would talk about the battle system but that’s been talked to death already. Overall, I still think color splash is fairly decent with its great writing and humor but looking back, I definitely realize why people didn’t take too kindly to this game.
I saw a video from @JasonGravesPoser that does a better job explaining this, but part of Color Splash's appeal is that it's about trying to be an individual despite being visually indistinguishable from everyone else. And that happens happens in Origami King with Bobby.
@@Caleb_Bravo99I personally grew up with Thousand Year Door, but I wouldn't consider myself a hardcore fan of it, love the game to pieces but I can see a lot of the appeal in Color Splash and Origami King. Though honestly, I kinda disagree with the notion that "Toads are Toads" as an argument for why they all have to look the same, even anatomical. I can understand them having similar statures and whatnot, but I personally never liked the idea of a species being very "samey", especially when it was done purely cuz of an arbitrary restraint no one asked for. I don't place Color Splash particularly high on my list, but I definitely very much enjoy the heart and charm behind it,even if it's flaws to me are kinda annoying
@@Caleb_Bravo99as for the no incentive argument, I do have a bit of a counter argument to that point as well. Honestly, getting paint, coins and cards aren't really that much of an incentive at all since all of these are resources you can get fairly plenty of from just navigate and interacting with the level, a far better argument is the fact that you get those hammer scraps that increases your paint capacity, which is honestly the closest thing to experience in this game, which is more than I can say for Sticker Star, or even Origami King for that matter. Having attacks being a 1-and-done resource also just feels messy, especially in SS and CS. As a whole, I really don't think saying the the battle systems from these games "Are the Same" but rather they have similarities
It's kinda a random topic but also has to do with these two games. One thing I really don't like about the battles in TTYD is the audience. It's just not fitting and out of place in my opinion, because it doesn't fit in the overall story and it actually takes you out of the story, it lessens the immersion and seriousness of it. Not to mention that it's just annoying having to also focus on the bad audience members who throw stuff at you to hurt you, the shy guys running onto the stage to activate something or the stage things that can fall over or the dust things that can hurt you with fire or freeze you.
With the context of TTYD being a direct sequel to PM64, it's an improved way to spice things up. The game assumes you played the first game from the beginning. Within 5 minutes of starting a save file, you're already fighting someone.
The audience is important for raising your star meter, before you only were able to use refresh to slowly gain the star meter. Now if you perform moves on time with a "stylish", the audience rewards you with extra star power.
As far as the obstacles, it adds a little challenge. The game tells you when someone is about to throw an item, which is pretty rare to happen. Shy Guys though are random. Can't tell if you or the enemy will get attacked. In my playthrough, it mainly the enemy team that gets attacked with fire or freeze.
I haven’t played any of the others minus TTYD on GameCube but I’m definitely gonna try them all regardless of how much people dislike a handful of them. Great video!
I might be getting this wrong because I’m new to the thousand year door but don’t people dislike sticker star and color splash because attacks aren’t really attacks, but useable items that you can run out of?
Also how do you only have less than 500 subscribers this is really good
That's part of the reason people say they don't like it. But I don't really think that actually affects much in the game since you can go back to Port Prisma and buy most of the card types. Plus the Battle Spin basically lets you buy any card you need in the middle of a battle.
Color Splash's battle system is based off of Sticker Star's, but upgraded.
Yeah. And a lot of people didn't bother playing it because they didn't like Sticker Star.
@@Caleb_Bravo99 I actually liked the game. I don't think it was that bad. But, I'll admit, it could've been better.
I have never seen someone take my exact opinion and put it into a youtube video! nice job!
The issue is that people have deluded themselves over the years into thinking story is the most important part of a game.
my jaw dropped when I saw this video only had 20 views I thought it would have like 45k and the channel will have like 200k
@@Mp9k maybe I’ll remake it in 9 years
This man is speaking my language? I’m starting to dislike the term “peek” that used on games that fans think is the best (thousand year door) because what that implies is that there can be no future games that we should look up to. I played sticker Star 2 months ago going into it with a casual mindset, but also knowing how much it was hated, and I actually enjoy sticker Star. It is my least favorite game to n the series but I Don’t despise it like everyone else.
(Sticker Star was the first paper Mario game I knew but it wasn’t the first game I played) So I’ve always adored paper Mario games for doing different things.
I hate it when people say "nothing will ever beat this game", like they're not even willing to give anything a chance.
Yes! Finally someone who doesn’t hate color splash
(This is a Copy and Paste of a Thing I said before)
Swapping between Playing TTYD and Color Splash I still don’t see how people can hate Color Splash’s Battle System, Like they say it’s miles better than CS and TOK (and sticker Star but I haven’t played that) but I feel no different feeling between it, there’s definitely more and lots different with the battle system but it doesn’t feel like anything changed drastically to make me hate them
“Battles are completely avoidable” Yeah they are in TTYD too, Literally you can avoid battles just like you could in CS, hell you can do that in literally any existing RPG no one is forcing you to fight random enemies on the field unless it’s literally a forced battle
And it’s not like you need to fight them for any reason either because I bet you could even just beat TTYD without upgrading anything
Idk man, With how much I love CS and TOK it sucks having to be associated with a community where the majority act like you can’t enjoy it and defend it, Even worse when they say something like “You’re just blinded because you’ve only played modern paper Mario” when I’ve literally also played paper Mario 64, People pretend like You can’t like the new while favoriting old and vise versa and will show it by responding to you about liking or disliking something about one or the other
Idk man, It’s just annoying to have someone say “Stop playing those games when these are better” when it’s possible to enjoy what you OR if you’re like me enjoy all of them
@@gboogie3257 If you look at my ranking in the video, you’ll see that it’s mixed pretty well. Not heavily weighted toward the newer or older games. And given the quality of the newer ones, it’s just annoying when people say that they’re objectively bad. Especially since, like I pointed out, few people have even played Color Splash.
You actually do have a reason to fight in TTYD, mainly for experience. Try to not fight an "optional" enemy and beat the final boss. It's essential to gain HP, FP, and BP.
The game expects that from you. Each world has progressively more difficult enemies to match the level it expects you to be at.
Where as SS and CS mainly expects you to know ahead of time to bring a random thing to use in battle. In these two games, you're not gaining HP in battle. That's all from the overworld so, the game already knows what level you're at, which would be fine if the game didn't taunt you "I seen that you died, you should have brought that Fan/Lemon/Cat Statue with you 😉" -_-
In the prior games, whether I win or lose against a boss is primarily determined by my skill and level ups throughout the game. Like every rpg in existence.
@@JustCliff That’s not fully true, they expect you to know and if you don’t the game actually helps you get a specific Thing you need and it’s not just some random one either because you can be told straight in the face of what Thing you need
Also CS is based on skill and you don’t need level ups to prove skill, you can be at Level 1 and have all skill needed to beat the game just by being THAT Good, In CS you need the skill to be able to arrange battle cards correct for enemies and not waste them and it’s based on your skill to try and get a excellent to do more damage than not and also not painting cards
If you died and needed the game to tell you what Thing you needed after you didn’t have it that’s on you because there’s no way you just didn’t have this thing were you have many and MANY possibilities to always make sure you have it
@@gboogie3257 to be fair, my criticism is more towards sticker Star since Thing stickers merge with normal stickers. I'm less likely to turn them into stickers since they take up so much space.
@@JustCliff Oh okay, I Wouldn’t know never played sticker Star
TTYD was my favorite game as a kid and most of the other entries in the series that I have tried where not my jam (I.E Sticker Star, Oragami King) but I have not tried Color Splash, so I'm gonna have to try it out!!!
I’ve always wanted to play this game. The trailers make it look so charming. And the OST is bangin.
That no one likes change in paper Mario essay with nps and enemies being genaric Mario characters nothing really unique. It’s just strange because how they change paper Mario but leave the other rpgs like Mario and Luigi completely untouched
I was introduced to the Paper Mario series with Color Splash on youtube (bc i didn't have a console). As a child, I loved this game, I was obsessed with it for about a year, yet somehow I never knew that other Paper Mario games existed. At the time, I thought this was the best game I've ever seen.
Years later, Origami King released, I found out that there was more than just one game, but I never gave any of them a chance. Now that TTYD got a remake, I decided to see why fans loved that game so much, so I download dolphin (bc I dont have $60 to my name) and beat the game.
Even though TTYD is only Paper Mario game that I have played, I still enjoyed watching Color Splash more. TTYD is a great game, I had fun playing it, but it wasn't as amazing as everyone else said it was. After all these years I still think Color Splash is my favorite Paper Mario game, because I found beauty in a rock while others compared it to a gem.
I don't have a Wii U or a device powerful enough to emulate it, but I would love to play Color Splash one day, and give my inner child something he always wanted.
I do feel that Color Splash is very underrated. Yeah, there are some rought things about it (such as having to scroll though a ton of cards to find the one you want) but I feel like fans overreact towards those bad things and make them SO much worse than they are, especially with the utter slap in the face that was sticker star. I love the art direction of CS and OK, the papercraft of it all looks really nice. I don't fully agree that Paint is a direct comparison to FP but I definitely understand the similarities, I also really like the fact you have 3 colors of paint to use on painting skills.of different colors. The Things are also really fun, the animations are so weird and wild, you'll never quite know what to expect from some of them when using them for the first time. In general, I do think TTYD is better in terms of story, mechanics, complexity and such but Color Splash is *definitely* an underrated gem, especially with the writing. I do not like Origami King's combat though, but the battle themes slap at least
Here's hoping for a remake to super paper Mario
Edit paper Mario 64 can wait its turn
Finally, someone who understands me!
YEEESS. IT'S A FUCKING GOOD GAME
Ooh, I imagine the comment section and/or Twitter will have a field day with this video.
Paper Mario: Color Splash is an interesting game to me. I haven't played it, but have seen a decent bit of footage since its release. I would love to try it out since I like colors and am a huge fan of the Koopalings.
Maybe I'm overanalyzing here, but your thoughts on Color Splash kinda reminds me of my thoughts on the general vibe of the 2010s era of Mario games; both of them are pretty nice but are heavily scrutinized by hardcore fans.
I do have PM64 and the original TTYD. 64 is my personal favorite due to its simple story and nice creativity. Meanwhile, TTYD stands as a charming time with even more originality. I can see Color Splash being on the upper echelon of my tier list of games...
Nice video.
I'd be interested in doing a longer video talking about the series, but with the way I edit videos, it would take way too long. This one is only 9 minutes long and it took like 5+ hours to edit.
It’s great to see someone defend Color Splash. It was the first Paper Mario game I played and I still like it. Though, I respectfully disagree about the toads. I think they could’ve had some unique designs.
I love Color Splash and TTYD almost the same (TTYD a bit more), though for both cases I think that the battle system inconveniences are a bit dumb as the fix to them are hidden behind either a settings menu or badges. Seriously, who would know about the button setting or first strike badge unless someone points it out?
@@joeygoat06 You could probably find problems in any game
@@Caleb_Bravo99 one of the things I dislike most about color splash is the lack of diverse designs for characters, though I think how the characters are written definitely makes up for it.
I do agree that most people have played TTYD so you wouldnt have to explain it and the combat systems, but i feel like not showing and explaining TTYD combat helps your argument in a bad faith way. I dont really agree with your take on color splash and TTYD being "Same but done in a different way." I would have liked if you went more in depth and compared more differences and similarities. I definitely dont agree with badges = cards as alot of badges are also passive abilites not just attacks.
At the very least I think explaining the combats would of shown how different both combats really are, hurting your argument in the video. You can love Color Splash more than TTYD, but dont go about it by saying "Look guys they are the same yall just cant tell" instead focus on showing us how its differences make it more fun / new mechanics that make the combat engaging.
Super paper mario is not an traditional RPG yet is loved all the same, so i believe the same can be done for color splash if its differences were embraced. Unless its differences do not make up for what is lacking in older Paper Mario games but that is subjective. If you love color splash, tell us why. If TTYD did things better or worse dont be afraid to say that opinion either. You already are saying some pretty hot takes regardless, so go all in.
I say these things not to bring you down, but because watching this video gave me the impression of "I like color splash more, but I feel I can't convince people unless I say its kinda like TTYD to open their minds a bit first." Your opinion is different from mine and a lot of others, so I want to see you explain yourself without having to talk about TTYD in bad faith. I don't think color splash can stand up to TTYD at all, but if Color Splash can stand up as its own in this series like super paper mario, tell us why.
I talked more about TTYD in an earlier video, and this wasn't really meant to be an in-depth analysis, but I get what you're saying.
@Caleb_Bravo99 hey sorry man didn't know you already did. Got recommended this and haven't seen anything else on the channel. The quality from this video is great though so I'll be checking out other videos
Hot take but I really like Color Spash and Sticker star. Idk why they get trashed on all the time.
I played this game and genuinely enjoyed it at least until the final boss. I found Black Bowser a bit frustrating because of a single attack that had weird timing. I would have probably attempted this one again if the disc hadn't been broken when I tried it again.
I think I died once or twice when fighting him for the first time. Also, Nintendo totally spoiled the final boss in a trailer.
it's not as satisfying as finishing a game firsthand, but if you were at the final boss and died to his final attack, there's only like 15 minutes of gameplay/ending/credits after so you could watch the rest here on youtube if you haven't already
@@prismason That was how I found out about the game in the first place.
YESSS!!! JUSTICE FOR COLOR SPLASH!
JUUUUUUSTICE
I was recently playing this game again thinking about if leveling up the hammer was a good reason to battle when I went into a level with max paint and came out with basically none. I'm still wondering if some people who criticize this game have even played it. This video really put into words why color splash is the most underrated game in the series. I'm subbing. . .
@@JaydenSallah-ym4bt i could talk about Color Splash all day, but if I did that, it would be 10 million years to edit.
You can buy already prepainted cards and the game gives you a fuckton of money wile not doing absolutely nothing
@@kirbythekirb59 This is also true. But the "incentives" for battling was just something I had to point out in the video. I also just think the battles are fun enough on their own.
@@Caleb_Bravo99 to each their own, i personally don't feel any feelings of accomplishment or progression with those battles
Now, keep in mind that I like this game and I like the battle system of this game.
That being said…
The battle system only gives you an incentive to fight if you are going for 100% completion. If you aren’t, you don’t have a reason to fight anything for the exact same reason as Sticker Star.
It’s objectively better than the system in Sticker Star, but it’s not perfect and still suffers from the exact same problem it did in the previous game.
Why do you say ttyd when thousand year door is the same number of syllables
@@minecrafter3448 It’s faster to type TTYD in the script, and then I read off that.
@@Caleb_Bravo99 ah
"I like my Mario characters to have no personality" bro what
"Having no personality is what makes toads toads" bro WHAT
Yeah, that was the worst take I’ve heard.
Like. When they are all identical, they only matter as a collective. None of them matter individually. None of them can have personal experiences. None of them can have their own lives. If one of them dies, it doesnt matter.
@@allisongross2946 he said that touds who are somewhat important have unique design
@@volvoman5262 Not to be corny but in TTYD you are saving the world. Why would i care about them if they are all identical? All of the unique characters with personalities, backstories, and character arcs make you want to save them. Side characters having depth is a good thing.
@@allisongross2946 we are Talking aboud TOADS, and even then't it's their design not story porpuse or personality
The point aboud expactasions is so true,
Do to the fact that so many people where critising Origami king, I was just enjoing it since my expectasions were not great
But when TTYD remake was realised, I was nitpicking a lot of things since my expectasions were "one of the best Mario games --NO one of the best Nintendo games of all time!"
I played it and it s ok it s not one of the best games to ever exist believe me
Im talking about TTYD in my opinion origami king had a better story because it was more emotional and because Olivia felt like the main character of the game
I think the large amount of toads is fine, there isn't really a need for original characters.
2:18 - 2:26 i have that same thing, except there are some games that people say are good that i like.
I still think those games are good most of the time. But when someone says it's 10/10 when it's more like 8/10, it's pretty annoying.
I actually agree with you on this video I think this game is really good
Color Splash was amazing. I really don’t see the issue with it. Sticker Star, I can kind of understand why people hate it despite me somewhat enjoying it since it’s the second Paper Mario I’ve played. Color Splash though, it’s pretty much Sticker Star done right.
i do like super but i never beat it
The thousand year door is just the best paper mario game. All the partners all the secrets I just don’t feel the same way with color splash and sticker star. Plus thousand year door has a way better storyline.
The problem is that fans will look at Paper Mario as JUST an RPG series when it has multiple genres. It's two traditional RPGs (64 and TTYD), a platformer (Super), two deck builders (Sticker Star and Color Splash), and a puzzle adventure game (Origami King). I think fans should be less narrow minded about switching up genres every now and then since I believe every game brings a little something good to the table.
Aside from Super, I don't think any of the games are different enough to say they're different genres.
The fact that people are actually not detecting the sarcasm is really funny, good video lol
He’s dead serious that’s the worst part 💀
I can definitely relate to your feeling that less popular games often wind up being much more personally enjoyable. After all the positive talk I heard online before playing them for the first time, I honestly felt at least a little underwhelmed by Super Mario World, Yoshi’s Island, Mario Kart 64, Super Mario Galaxy, and indeed, TTYD, among a few other games. On the other hand, games that get a lot less (positive) attention like Super Mario Kart, Super Circuit, and Super Mario 3D Land wound up becoming favorites of mine after playing or replaying them as an adult.
To your notes about TTYD’s overworld moves, I would concur that people often overstate what they do for the game, at least from a moment-to-moment gameplay perspective. Even setting aside how derivative a lot of them are of PM64, I feel most of them are real one-or-two trick ponies (and that trick is often just removing some kind of obstacle immediately in front of the player). And even in the dungeons, a lot of the puzzles based around your moves feel like they boil down to just having to remember that the move exists. I feel the modern trilogy features much more meaningful mechanic evolution in the overworld, and that the greater amount of area-specific mechanics make up for the smaller move roster.
Color Splash was my first Paper Mario game and I really didn't understood what were people complaining about. Then I played TTYD and just thought the battle system was the same but with a different skin. I also think the character's development is better in the most recent games than the originals. Don't get me wrong, the clasics are also fun and some aspects are better, but the new ones are not bad as people make them seem.
I don't think it's unfair for classic PM fans to not want the later games in our communities. Why should we be pressured into doing it just because they share a name? I don't see how this is any different then crying that a Metroid discord doesn't have a Zelda channel
Color splash is just bland as best.
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I think color splash is super underrated and more people should give it a chance. It’s not perfect but overall it is a very enjoyable experience. It also came out at a time where the Mario series was pretty generic but color splash is anything but generic. Yes the toads don’t have unique designs and that is annoying, but all of the locations are super unique and interesting. Even the more standard Mario locations at least have something memorable about them. Like indigo underground is one of the most generic levels in the game but even then it has that serial killer shy guy with the horror movie music that probably traumatized a bunch of children. The world is just so vibrant and fun to explore. Despite not being open world, everything in color splash still feels connected. Color splash probably has the best world map in any video game I’ve seen. A lot of people dislike the fact that color splash even has a world map, but open world isn’t inherently better than a level based structure. It’s all how it’s handled. Color splash is also hands down the funniest game in the series. It’s not even a competition
Origami King also has very cool locations.
As someone who hasn’t played Color Splash (but wants to) it doesn’t seem as fair as you say to call the battle system effectively the same as TTYD, though maybe once I play the game I’ll agree with that sentiment more. I do think that people saying there’s no incentive to battle are wrong, especially when the incentive is basically the same as in the first two games just a little less satisfying and maybe not quite to the same degree but still.
The main difference is that each attack is a card that you select from a deck instead of a menu. If it were organized the same way as TTYD without anything else different, it would be extremely similar. And I'd argue that the way you select the attack doesn't really matter.
It's incredible how this guy have all the wrong opinions
[For context, I've played and completed 100% every game in the series (yeah Sticker Star too, and yeah, even the cards in Super)]
Hi, I've just now begun playing the TTYD remake. So far (as of ending chapter 6) I still prefer the original game (for N64) more. Not by that much, but the chapters in that one were - or at least felt - way longer. Like yeah, the game's great, but not the-second-coming-of-Jesus-Christ type of great. And no, I'm not blinded by nostalgia, cause I've played the N64 game 2 years ago blind.
Regarding Color Splash, I really liked that game. As you said, the battles aren't nearly as sluggish as people make them out to be, and there is a certain element of startegy to be found. The "Thing" problem from Sticker Star has been completely solved with the Toad who tells you where to find them (that and the fact that there are 27 instead of 64, good Lord) and the chapters - yeah I'll call 'em that alright - are fun and engaging. My biggest gripe about the game is in fact the lack of diverse characters, because seeing only Toads does get kind of repetitive for me, but at least they do SOMETHING interesting with them, like the ghost Toads. Other than that, I'd give this game an 8/10. It does not deserve the hate it gets. I must admit I would've liked a greater focus on story, but the moment-to-moment interactions make up for it.
Here's my Paper Mario tier list:
1) Original [10/10]
2) Super [9/10]
3) Origami King [9/10]
4) TTYD (so far) [9/10]
5) Color Splash [8/10]
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6) Sticker Star [5/10]
Note that even if I put Color Splash in 5th, I still think very highly of the game. And Super is so high because I like story-driven games. And I played places 1, 4, 5 and 6 in the last 2 years.
Final thought: people were still angry about Sticker Star when Color Splash released and didn't give it enough credit. I'm generalizing.
I still wish that Nintendo gives us a port of color splash like what they did with all of their other wii u games
It's even funnier that they haven't because it would be such an easy game to translate mechanically. There's already a single-screen mode, and button controls for battles.
The switch is touch screen so there's the painting gimmick
I don’t get why people call color splash “sticker star 2” when it’s its own game.
It's mechanically similar to Sticker Star
I wish they'd remake color splash
Remake it how?
That's actually a nice and fair explanation on color splash, videos like this on a modern paper mario game are lightning in bottle considering most of the paper mario fans doesn't like change, especially after sticker stars ruined the fanbase.
Hopefully color splash and the origami king will get reputation it deserves in the future
I completly aggree. CS is easily my favourite Game of the series and I hate that it keeps getting hated on bcs "Its not TTYD". Like, this is an Action Adventure with RPG Elements, not an RPG and its so annoying that so many people critize it for BS basicly
@@einmensch2973 It definitely has more going on outside of battles than the earlier games, but I’d still say it’s an RPG since all the actual combat is separate.
I love color splash
@@Caleb_Bravo99 well, Nintendo themselves actually advertised this game as an Action Adventure ( that was where a lot if this games hate comes from, together with the whole „stickerstarsequel thing“ ) but yeah Ig its kinda debatable what genre this game fits in. Either way, the most important thing is, that everybody is having fun :D
And honestly, you got it right and this is what annoys me about many fandoms or people in general, that they just trash talk games because it's something different than before and they don't like changes.
“Sticker Star has no incentive to enter battles” mfs on their way to complain about why the game is too hard because the only stickers they have are low-end ones you find in the wild and none of the actually good ones you get from battling
I replayed sticker star like, 2 months ago and I can assure you that the overworld + the hidden peperization spots give you MORE than enough powerful Stickers to beat the game
@@overqwilgaming6614 Sticker Star battles are fine, but aren’t as fun as any of the other games imo.
@@Caleb_Bravo99 Oh for sure it’s bland but not dysfunctional like people make it out to be
@@overqwilgaming6614 Agreed. Sticker Star is lower on my ranking, but not really because of the battles. The game in general feels pretty generic.
You don’t exactly find ‘low-end’ stickers in the wild, though. Remember, coins are all over the place in the overworld, and you can get coins from first strikes in battle and then instakill any enemy by running away from the fight. Therefore, the question becomes ‘why would I waste my stickers to get coins that only gets me more stickers, when both resources are everywhere and are super plentiful?’ Think about why non-RPGs have experience points, like an online shooter using an EXP system to show your skill level, or how there’s an entire genre of games built around experience points going up. If coins were rare, then this argument might hold water, but no, coins are all over the place. Color splash has a similar problem, too, because the roshambo temples pay out way too many coins, trivializing the management of coins specifically. I had to actively go out of my way not to use the roshambo temples at all during my playthrough until the postgame, specifically because of how easy it was to get coins from it, and I still never struggled with money at all.
I like color splash, please don’t get me wrong, but this game’s battle system isn’t as identical to TTYD as this video makes it out to be, and the main reason is because TTYD had a reason for you to fight. The game has a lot of good in it, but the battle system needs improvements.
And the take on toads being generic being their whole point is just… objectively incorrect. I can’t remember a single individual character from the game that isn’t Huey, entirely because they’re too homogenized. The variations don’t go much farther than ‘red cap, blue cap, sometimes wears the generic outfit, sometimes wears a suit.’ And of course, none of the characters have proper names. *everybody* in 64 and TTYD had names, and that made them much easier to remember, so while his point on one partner is fine, I strongly disagree that every character looking the same is fine.
Wow somebody who praises Color Splash and has something negative to say about TTYD??……. FINALLY