How a regional rivalry was settled by one of the HYPEST MvC2 grudge matches in history.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ธ.ค. 2019
- Today we're here again with another analysis of one of the Great Moments in Fighting Game History!! Today we're covering the money match between Sanford Kelly aka Santhrax and Duc Do aka Ducvader. These guys are some of the best Marvel vs Capcom 2 players of all time, and this match is an all-time classic. Hope you enjoy the analysis!!
Sources:
Full match: • Evo2006 MvC2 MM Duc vs...
Behind the scenes footage: • Duc Do vs. Sanford Kel...
Interview with Ducvader: forums.shoryuken.com/t/interv...
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This man could literally run an FGC centered show on ESPN or something
Better than that do a colab with Jon Bois.
Couldn't agree more
jm is the Dan Hardy of the FGC
I love when people cover hype matches, but you really went above and beyond. The fact that you get in the game yourself and show/explain: the characters, tech, and lore really takes your commentary to the next level. After all, watching hype sets are EVEN MORE HYPE when you actually understand what's going on! Thanks ☺️
Joshua Ubiera Agreed
Completely agree
Yep. I just commented this exact sentiment. It's very unique and informative.
i exactly agree with what you just said
Yoruichi
As a person who doesnt play any other fighting game other than tekken. I'm so glad you take the time to actually explain WHAT is going on and how and why certain characters are played. Gives me an insight to make it more impressive to see
Yeah, this fledgling video series is so good because he assumes no prior knowledge. He explains the relevant game mechanics and the context surrounding each match in such detail that even someone who doesn't care about fighting games can appreciate what's going on.
I only played Tekken until recently. Now I'm going back and playing fighters I've never played before like darkstalkers 3 and rival schools. I have a new appreciation for fighting games now.
I didn't realize how badly the FGC needed a historian. Love the videos!
I also have immense knowledge of hype events and players young and old from all over the east coast of America. Maybe i should try and cover some really hype fgc moments that new comers might not know about, like the BIONIC ARM!! moments with Combo Fiend, or some of the drama around smootviper or Duc Jr aka Dark Prince.
If you didn't hold back, and you did an analysis of the entire set, we would watch, if you felt it was something you wanted to do for your content and your channel. You'd also be doing it for us. You don't have to go back if you don't want to, just keep that in mind.
Agreed. I'm always like "oh a jmcroft vid? I'll put that on as background noise" But then I'm captivated for 24 minutes straight. The lore and presentation here was extremely well done.
Agreed
Keep it up Dude, the insight really gives this series an entertainment vallue iv being missing from the FGC
You should look up sonic fox 13-0. It's some real hype mortal kombat x drama I stumbled upon. The match itself is flashy but that's not what ur gonna be watching for....trust me lmaoooo
Edit:there's a whole lore behind it💀. Just some nice fighting game history
Juicy stuff, thanks gonna keep it in mind.
I subbed only because you explained what DHC is. I don't know what the typical gaming terms means i.e. reset, punish, normals, etc. and I appreciate that you don't assume that your audience knows what all the terms mean. Thanks!
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary_of_fighting_games
BOOM!
I can see how it gets confusing for newer players, since a lot of terminology we use comes from Marvel/ Street Fighter.
Feel free the ask the community bro plenty of people willing to help explain things in our FGC
What does dhc mean lol
@@KayNKonami down heavy combo I believe
Advice to jmcrofts you viewers including me, like when you break down characters and core parts and how they work first then get to the fight. I like this because some characters i don't see much, i get to understand before i watch one of the gods pinned down in a corner like spiral. So dude keep this up we love it and you seemed to have had fun yourself rewatching this👍
9:46 "Okay too much is happening, too much is happening."
Ahh, Marvel.
i miss those days. I wish MvC goes back to its roots. :(
Nah man, more like… IT’S MAH-VELL BABY!
Your commentary hits harder than a lot of other people because you go the extra mile to explain the mechanics, matchup, and backstory of the match.
Great content, make more like this!
I don't know, these videos analyzing important moments in fighting games are just too damn enjoyable. I seriously like them.
I'm loving these insights into the FGC as a newcomer
Gotta get on that no frillz my guyyyyy.
No frillz is trash, watch Bafael and Sajam
You could submit this video as part of a job app as an official commentator. Legit great analysis and breakdown of terms and strats. Go earn that cheddah brother
Cable is such a spagetti coded character, like damn, who thought making a frame 1 self loopable super was a good idea...i guess they weren't thinking at all.
When developers think about making a fun game rather than a competitive game, they put some goofy shit in it.
I assume you have never played VSav. That game is full of spaghetti code. Anakaris isn't even a character.
They didnt they just overlooked how recovery animations were much shorter in the air and didnt think this was possible. Stuff Ryus Shinkuu Hadoken is actually faster than AHVB using the same TK trick he just cant bend the beam the hit multiple times. None of the top tier tactics were intentional from Flight canceling to Tri-jumps on down and they really expected everyone to just do basic air combos and win with Jill. The real thing that stands out is how the bottom 3rd or so characters cant even combo into a super reliably and how nerfed characters like Spiderman Wolverine and Chun Li were
@Xalpha23 Depends on how you count it. 1 frame here means 1 frame after activation, so it's blockable on reaction if you're not doing anything. 0 frame is instant
The loop is AHVB loop is a bug, not an intentional feature. It's because when cable finishes his AHVB, during cool down, he can drift through the air for a few frames. The direction he drifts in is based off of the direction he was going in when he triggered the super.
To loop the AHVB, you have to do a tiger knee motion (you end your fireball facing diagonal-up instead of forward). Iirc cable does a tiny super jump the moment before the AHVB comes out if you do it right. Cable floats up at the end of the super, and that enables him to loop the super into itself.
It is way harder than it sounds.
I've been playing 19 years this game and still like it.
Damn you must be a killer at this point lol
The context you give before getting to the fight is what truly makes this video great. I notice this playlist hasnt been added to in over a year, you gotta come back
I used to play fighting games thousands of years ago, but only casually. I love how you go in-depth on the mechanics, and explain the significance of everything. It makes the matches very exciting to watch!
Hey mate years later, wanted to tell you thanks for all the hard work. I love these videos you made. I started playing Rev 2 and somehow found myself getting into Fightcade games way more than Newer ones
Spiral's idle is so badass. I absolutely love it. It's like she is moving all arms to hide the attack so it's hard to tell which movement is an actual hit (I know it probably has no real effect on the game but I think it's just cool)
As someone with a new found passion for fighting games: these are great. They help me appreciate the road to how incredible the community has become. Thanks!
Bro after explaining it since I've never played this game, that made it make so much more sense
Man I played this game growing up but never knew about "high level" play. I saw these matches and never knew it was as technical as you explained. Im definitely gonna go watch the full matches now with a better understanding
I miss playing this on dreamcast and at the arcade
The only 2 real ways to play.
Ps2 and and maybe og xbox , but dammit yeah miss playing this too and having a small get together with the homies having a great time.
So what's holding you back?
I’m gonna get this for Dreamcast again
@Emotional Dreck that's pretty cool!
last time I was this early people were complaining about crofts playing things other than dbfz
People just need to watch other games.
@@zackerygeltz2002 yessir
Lmfao i remember that it's sad how many people were unsubbing just because he didn't want to play one game for the rest of his life
Lmao
@@morganfreeman1104 because the other games aren't interesting for them. How you can blame people for it. People watch whatever they want. Not everybody care about the TH-camr either. They aren't their friend
When people complain about modern fighters it's kind of hard to cosign when tactics like these were rampant in the older titles.
You don't need to co-sign. Fact is that these kinds of tactics took more skill than the type of tactics today. It is really known back then that there were fighting game players and then there were MvC players. Just cause you could play a fighting game back then does NOT mean you could play a MvC game.
@@Gailardia_Galan did they? did this tactics take more skill?
@@Gailardia_Galan This is true, i can understand however that most people who never played mvc2 Back in the day fail to understand how difficult playing this game at a high level really was, especially when you compare the execution barrier between this and lets say mvc3. both games have crazy movement, combos and really wild looking gameplay. However accomplishing these feats in mvc2 required more from a player. A player had to be able to conquer ant execution barrier that was way less lenient than whats in games today. Conquering this barrier is what made many hype moments memorable to this day. The exclusion of this is whats responsible for the majority of complaints made towards newer fighting games (complaints that include but are not limited to: frequent underwhelming fgc "moments" , dissatisfaction among a substantial portion of the fgc, and matches that are injected with "easy mode" gameplay/mechanics/combos/etc. which developers put into the game in order to generate artificial hype. Just look at evo moment 37, its not the bright sparkling animations, flashing colors, cool looking attacks that make this moment so memorable. Hell, the fact that this led to a comeback from a life deficit was only a small portion of what made this so hype. What really made it hype was the understanding that performing that parry was so mechanically difficult, and that the execution difficulty was multiplied several times over bc of the situation the players were in, the pressure the crowd placed on these players, along with several other factors. If performing that parry in 3S was simplified and given a wider window of leniency of a few frames (similar to the leniency in combos in sf5) no one would be talking about or even remember evo moment 37.
@@yocyber5711 In my opinion, yes. There were PLENTY of people who played MvC2 but not at this level. Just cause you could do the tactic did not mean you could apply it effectively. As far as I know tech is still being discovered in MvC2 and UMVC3.
@@laurencemarcas7962 You are absolutely right. Thank you so much for explaining and clarifying for them.
I'm really jazzed that you are doing more of these. I'm not someone that has followed fighting games as much until recently, so learning about all these amazing matches and having someone break them down is awesome. :D Keep it up.
amazing series keep it going. i love how you get into details about the characters and how they play and explain everything before showing the fight. it seriously makes the experience 100 times better
Thanks for this video breakdown. For someone who came into the fgc early sf4- I don't understand every broken nuance of MvC2. This was great!
Also Sanford playing vanilla top tier (Storm/Sentinel) is hard to believe knowing he likes carving his own path in SF.
Another great episode. I love how you break down the teams, the set ups, the characters, and the gameplay. Makes it so much easier to understand for people who are new to fighting games and so forth. Make sure you turn this into a playlist!
I really liked this. Most people would have probably just shown the set and the highlights, but you went above and beyond and showed both players teams, their gameplan, some backstory, and why air HVB is so good. I’d love to see more of these.
These videos are fantastic! Really love the format that you've taken on for these, especially since the moments you've covered have such an immense amount of information (both for the gameplay and the history) entrenched in each game. I think keeping the videos concise and encouraging people to watch the full match on their own is a great idea. Good stuff dude!
This might be your best content here. I love the normal videos of course, but these analysis videos have been so damn fun. Watching you get excited and hyped while breaking down the players and their styles, this is just such a cool idea for a series and I hope you keep making more!
I'm so happy that you can experiment so much with new types of content now, these have been a joy to watch!
Honestly, watching big fighting game moments like these *with* the context of what the casters are freaking out about is better than not knowing anything that's happening. I appreciate the explanation at the start
Dude. you videos are so good and informative! I'm a newcomer to the FGC and there's so much of it's history I don't know, or that I missed out on, but this makes things a whole lot better!
This is why MVC2 has always been my favorite game. It is so broken but that is what makes it so hype and fun.
You're the man for this one. I really like how you break it down for those of us who never got good. I understand Spiral play much better now.
I love these moments...
It kinda makes me sad that I dropped out of fighting games as a kid because of all the stuff I missed...
But I'm glad folks like you are doing these recaps.
Keep em coming!
... is this guy the best mvc2 commentator on YT. Dude, you're a great part of TH-cam.
Can you do 3S Evo 2k2 Tokido vs. Justin Wong next? This was the first time a lot of people got to see the true potential of Urien and Aegis Reflector set ups on a big stage.
Good idea bro these urien mains are dangerous 😂
it's hard to believe tokido is the one that showed us how good urien really is
I miss when Urien was seen as a niche juggle character, now all I see is LTG 😔😔😔
@@bug9591 lmao LTG. That dude is something else. Craziest part is, the dude could be something fierce with Urien in SFV, but he chooses to stay at his current level, and act a fool-- instead of stepping up.
@@bug9591 how have you missed Nemo and Dogura's Urien?
This is great content! Match analysis is fantastic, and historical match analysis is just what the community needs.
This game was so catchy, drug dealers and a pimp was playing this at the arcades on the regular. I even heard death threats. Oh I used Spiral but this is one of my weakest games. I still loved it though except those unblock-able setups.
I witnessed Drug Dealers playing This and SF2Turbo against Cops at Arcades. It was wild in the 90s at local arcades. I miss it.
Yup, I used to get washed up at the Port Authorities arcade on 42nd Street back in 2000. Then Sanford and Justin Wong would come up from Chinatown Fare and wreck me in Cap vs Snk 2....good times
@@smoovbynature wow lost to time. I really miss arcades and not just waxing nostalgia I played arcades every few months was always more a console gamer but the world was better with them around. Gone like the dinosaur smh
Absolutely GREAT analysis and break-down of the matches. Setting up the team comps, the character interactions, and the player history was all fantastic work that pays off greatly.
Please, please, PLEASE do more like this! I love the breakdowns of each player, each character, and every major move in each match. I could watch breakdowns of iconic FGC matches all day!
I REALLY enjoyed this content. Thank you for sharing your knowledge of the game, and providing plain as day basic strategy/team compositions before the match even started to give me context to the HYPE action. It really did a lot to help me digest everything going on.
Wow what a great video, i love this format, the detail in explaining each players team and strategy made me appreciate the fight so much more!
This is a brilliant series to do -- For those in the gaming community that shy away from fighter games, these are great lessons on what they're all about. I find watching matches are more enjoyable if you actually understand what's going on. Same idea behind musicians enjoy watching musicians play music.
Some of the best coverage and analysis of fighting games on YT. Great stuff. Loved how you broke down watch each team/characters are trying to do.
jill spider-man & gambit use type balance & projectile
I appreciate that you went in-game and broke down the teams, tech and strategies each player where using. Spectating Mahvel has always been a challenge to me because there is so much happening on screen.
I LOVE THESE! keep em coming man, your balance of explaining context and building suspense is great
These videos are fantastic! I love how you explain the mechanics and meta being played so we can actually understand what is going on in the clips. Please do more of these!
Awesome breakdown! I'm glad you got such a positive reception for this kind of content. It's especially cool that you take the time to actually show and contextualize the gameplay through your own game
I love this mini series of yours
Man I wish analyses like these were available for MMA fights but hardly anyone has the knowledge or breakdown of what's going on to do them. But I'll take any breakdown of any crazy fighting game I can get my hands on.
TheWeasle is good IMO - th-cam.com/channels/ZD2qRU8J82XGdGdUWYneNQ.html
Idk if you have this problem still but check out luke thomas mma breakdowns theyre really good
Amazing work, man. I love how much detail you put into the explanation, doing the combo yourself and stuff.
Bruh, if you weren't explaining this I'd have no idea what was going on.
I'm loving this series. Thanks for taking the time to share these stories, Crofts!
Can you do Neo vs cl0ckwork: the final chapter? One of the most hype MMs IMO.
100% this. The rounds where cl0ck loses strider for free but somehow rushes down a storm with doom/sentinel for the win are just insane
That was all Sentinel Doom. Strider left early when he found out he wasn't in Marvel 3.
This is definitely awesome. I listen to Nofrillz and love hearing the old school tournaments . I just don't know what to search for and hype moments. I really don't know what's going on in marvel and your break down of the mechanics and why there's a hype moment is an excellent touch for this series. Pls don't stop making these, I really enjoy it. You have something here.
I subscribed due to this video. While I played MVC2 I never knew the competitive meta, thanks so much for breaking this down, your analysis and explanation of even simple fighting game concepts. Cant wait to see more history of the FGC
Yo man if I could like this twice I would!
Your positivity , depth of knowledge and skills make this content a genuine treat!
These are great videos man, I love the breakdowns of these hype matches. Keep it up!
I always look forward to these FGC history vids you have cuz you have a lot of insight behind... well... everything from matchups, to players, and as well as their backstories and so on and so forth.
So yeah, keep these up! :)
jmcrofts! I just want to take a moment to first, let you know you did crazy awesome work on this video. ABOVE AND BEYOND. Secondly I am reminded by you being yourself of the magic of being yourself. Love the content my man!
Another sick video - love the passion and the knowledge you clearly have! This is going to be an amazing series.
I've been playing these games since they were released and I'm surprised how little I know about the game. Thanks for the video.
bro more of these videos please. fighting games are a blessing. FGC history/moments are always so dope to learn about
These breakdowns really show your knowledge, appreciation, and most importantly, your passion for fighting games. Keep it up, Crofts!
Great video man. I could watch in in depth game and character breakdown on Marvel vs Capcom 2 forever. Please make more of them.
Great vid Jm, always love to see old fighting games from a newbie trying them
Iron Man Storm Sentinel free Infinite’s off Storm Anti Air, Storm to Sent DHC and having Storm second meant u could make it rain all damn game. I miss this era so much, everyone was unique in their own right. Lots of similar teams but all different in how they were played!
This is amazing. I thought I would get a story but I also got an incredible exposition on the relevant elements of the game. Great job!
Absolutely loving this series so far. Keep it up!
I love these videos! They are fun and you are so cheerful it makes me smile.
Really well done, the explanation of game mechanics at the start really helped with getting more invested in this match!
MVC2 is the greatest of all time! This game is where legends are born!
More of these! I've been watching more of your channel because of it. You've got some really good stuff!
Amazing video man, love the effort you put in. I never could understand mvc even tho I love fighting games but your vids help me understand the game more
This content was much needed. I thought you were just a dbfz player but further looking through your channel, this is so refreshing for the fgc. You’re great man much love, stay safe
Okay, just saying, I would absolutely watch you cover the entire set. If you ever decide you want to do this one or another I would be all over it.
I love these videos and the format. Explain why we care explain the context etc before hand then walk us through history. It's awesome
Really fun stuff.
Love the explanation of everything leading up to the battle, very engrossing.
Your explanation and breakdown of this is amazingly spot on! I'm actuaaly going to show this to a friend of mine who was mildly curious about the FGC and the culture surrounding it
I don't know who you are. You were recommended to me randomly on youtube and I don't really watch a lot of FGC youtubers. But damn your enthusiasm is exactly what I look for in any content creator I watch. You are great.
Yes, JMCrofts fighting game historian. I love it!
Oh man, this is like an anime fight
I joke sometimes that marvel was the first anime fighter
A big part of what made this game so cool.
JackTR21 I’m pretty sure the whole concept of anime fighter comes from MvC, no?
@@boomguy2 I'd say Darkstalkers. Nonetheless, mvc2 is hype as FUUUUCK
Guil Poelsma Oh yeah, Darkstalkers slipped my mind, good point
Brilliant Players' Introduction, Tutorial, And Overall Commentary.
Thank You For Putting Time In.
Love this! Thanks for speaking on the history of these games and the community! It's such a cool culture and I'm glad you're able to rep it so well! Killer!
Great watch, really enjoyed you digging into their team and game theories.
Love the explanation because it really helps for someone like me who knows nothing about mvc2 or any fighting game besides smash. Keep up the great work, love your content.
These videos were such an amazing idea, Croft’s! I love watching them.
Man i watch your dbfz games all the time. Its what brought me to your channel. But this video made me subscribe.
More content like this is needed on YT, especially with MK11 and DBFZ bringing so many new people to this wonderful genre.
You deserved a subscribe my man.. Definitely enjoyed this commentary to these matches. Love it bruh
Love these looks back into fg history, being a fairly new comer to the genre
Sanford vs Clockwork at EVO was my favorite Marvel 2 Sets!
Wish those videos were available somewhere to watch again
Dude, you're awesome for hopping in training mode to explain things! Great vid
additional info about Cable's guard crush for those that care: In MvC2, you are allowed one action in the air per normal jump, and blocking is considered an action. So if you block Cable's jumping gun, then get out of block stun, then you can't block air hyper viper beam. However, if you EAT the jumping gun, and Cable does air hyper viper beam delayed as usual, you will then be able to block the viper beam. Cable's mixup here is to shoot gun and cancel into viper beam if they expect you to eat the gun. A true 50/50.
Great video. I would never have heard or this match without you man. Wicked fgc history.
This series is already great and I would really enjoy more.
Great vid bro! I remember watching it back then. It really has me hype for BoTS today!