I live in Ireland where we have very strict gun CONTROL, I lived in Arizona for several years where I enjoyed a wide choice of guns ranging from flint lock, cap & ball and more modern types. I really enjoyed the video.
@encinobalboa I hate that for you man. That will never change until democrats are voted out and even then it will probably take decades to get all those ridiculous gun laws reversed. My eyes are getting worse every year and I've started using red dots on my main carry pistol. Unfortunately the M11A1 is not MOS ready and I believe would give the 229 a run for the money if it were.
What were those reasons for you? I have the Mk25 and looking to pair them up. Do you know what trigger mods are available for the M11-A1? From grey guns perhaps?
@Hialeah1925 For me I like the absence of a light rail since the only pistol I use one on is my nightstand pistol. It's sleekness, durability, Sig sights and trigger, and it's not optics ready. I have a 365XL with a green dot which is my cc gun most of the time and it's handy for that for my aging eyes but I really don't think I'd need it with the M11A1. Only one way to find out I guess.
M11-A1 was and still is the best of these by far. A compact pistol does not need a stupid and ugly rail and hooked guard with bottom surface to abrade your fingers on the bottom. The M11 also has corrosion resistance in internal parts. I did put a standard trigger on the one I had but had left the rest stock because it was so good. As for the "legion" guns, Sig is now sending a much cheaper gun case if you register. I sold that Sig too... only one I regret selling is the M11, when I can afford it again, I'll probably purchase another in the future.
E2 upgrade kit is worth a look for the hammer rod. I saw a video that showed what looked like an original MEM part. The kit has a metal rod with much better finish. Video presenter said that new rod made huge difference in DA pull.
I bought a P 226 with the legacy slide and E2 grips from your company recently and I am very pleased by the service I received. The salesman was very friendly and helpful. He was also quite informative about the products on your website. I look forward to making additional purchases from you in the future.
This is one of the most informative and thoughtful videos I GM have ever seen that compares firearms. I will be back to watch more! For future videos, please also include a shooting segment if possible.
Just Subscribed to your Chanell, great information about the New Legion Series as well. I have an M11A1 and love it along with a P229R 9mm with the TacPac-L, also have a Beretta M9 but back in 1990 I became a Police Officer and we were issued the Sig P226 and have had a Sig throughout the years and absolutely love them. I had an original Sig P228 in the late 90's but had to sell in 2001 but about a year ago I purchased my M11A1 and the P229 and the M9 and saw your videos tonight about the Legion Series and what all the Legion Series entails for someone purchasing this great new Line and already I'm thinking GREAT another Sig P229 I feel I MUST add to my collection so THANKS guys. LOL Seriously tho the videos were very informative and I like you have many different things ABOUT the Sig Brand as a whole. Keep up the good work and wouldn't mind trying to win a Sig hat sometime if I can as well, I think you can win one anyways I believe right? Well I hope I can, thanks again and look forward to more informative videos.
I liked the video. I thought it was very informative about the differences among the different versions of the different models. What I really wish is that I had seen a video like this before I bought my first Sig. I just recently bought my first Sig, a P226 Elite SAO. It would have been great to see a video like this before I bought mine. I'll keep your channel in mind for my future needs. Thanks
I own a M11-A1 is an awesome handgun. I thank you for explaining the Legion Benefits, just for that I may buy one. Yes Sig can be expensive but compare with what ???? There are NOT polymer guns, so there is no comparison with Glocks.
This will defiantly be my next side arm purchase. I could use that Sig Trucker hat to go with it too! :) Thanks for the awesome review and info! I look forward to the day you have them in stock!
Thanks for the info - I have a Scorpion on hold in 9mm - thinking about changing over to the legion now. Your comments on finish and wear struck home. I LOVE the feel of the Scorpion vs the M11-A1 - ny local shop didn't have a legion in stock. may wait until they get one in
Nice lineup of 229, I have the OG 229 40S&W. Mines almost 30yr old shoots and looks better than most new guns. Sig cost a little more but last a lot longer than most. Great video and info👍👍
Great video. After watching the comparison I bought a Legion P229. I a ready have the M11-A1 which I love. Thanks for a job well done. Also subscribed to the channel.
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People keep mentioning the high price point. Well gents, as the OCG guy mentioned, the features bring it up to a good deal. Allow me to elaborate. I was tempted to get a scorpion and mod the frame, similar to what Sig made to the Legion. The metal work and refinish would have left me without $ for a Bruce Gray trigger job, and some aftermarket sights. As for the "join the cool kids club" marketing/hype, meh. These are tools, not some trendy/"swag" sneakers to impress on the first day of school. OCG, keep that discount going, because MSRP is for suckers. (dibs on the sig trucker hat.)
I hadn't even heard of the Legion series. I have nearly every standard and elite Sig P 22x series made. I'm missing scorpion models. The Legion looks very well thought out and desirable. The only shortfall to me, is the beaver tails and semi beaver tails are too thick, and don't add much value. They don't allow one to get the web of the hand higher up such as on a good 1911 or CZ75 Custom. That addition to the Legion would have sold many folks on the gun (IMO) and a MUST have for me. But obviously they are still my favorite since I keep selling my other guns to buy Sigs. Fantastic model comparison video...the best I've seen.
Thank you for an informative video. I'm a long time Sig owner I've had a chance to shoot all three of these beautiful weapons and a couple of points are worth making that were not discussed here. Grip size and feel are all very different. I prefer the E2 grips that come standard on the 229 Enhanced Elite. They are a thinner profile and have a great tactile feel. The M11 and Scorpion can be swapped out for E2...does anyone know if the Legion can? My opinion of the new XRay-3 sights is they are great but really only brought Sig up to what has been available in the aftermarket for a long long time and in all honesty, I don't think they are as good as some of the site specific manufacturers. Lastly a suggestion for future videos, please use a neutral/white mat on the table when showing the features of a black gun. Thanks again!
You've probably long since had this question answered, so this is more for comment section browsers: Yes, the E2 one-piece grip will fit on the Legion P229.
Thanks for the great video. I really want the x-ray sights and think I want the gray guns trigger, but I plan to carry this and have no need for the rail. I am also concerned about the crappy Legion PVD finish. Scorpion is out for me due to the full beavertail and overall size (it's actually slightly longer and heavier than my MK25). Decisions, decisions.
I thought the scorpian was the best 229,I had to get it when it came out. now you come up with the legion! congrates, nice piece! going to have to work some ot!
I'd put the M11-A1 above the Legion 229 for two simple facts: The phosphate treated components in the M11 improve the wear and tear lifetime, and will keep your handgun more reliable in the long term. And second, the 229 Legion has a single-point adjustable trigger which *is* very good out of the box--you can tune them to be finger-pressure-reset. But you can buy an M11 for $300 cheaper, get a two-point Grayguns adjustable trigger (both pre-travel and over-travel) for around $70, get an E2 one-piece grip that has better hand-fit and grip than the Legion grip plates. You'll still have around $175 leftover, and end up with a better performing handgun.
Great vid for me, I'm presently in the market for my second sig. I had narrowed down scorpion elite p229, p225, p229 legion. I didn't think of the m11a1. Also in the running is a sig or colt 1911 and sa range officer compact
Very informative comparison. I have a 229 Elite in 40/.357 Sig with an SRT trigger. Love this semi-auto. It would be nice for you to compare it to the Scorpion as it is a 40 cal. You could also explain how easy it is to swap from 40 to 357 Sig.
Am leaning so hard towards a P229 Legion! Drooling my be involved but ya' can't prove it! Seriously, the Swag / Lifestyle items are cool and all but it's the pistol that makes me look at the inventory and see what can go and buy the Legion, ya' I'd buy a knife too...
I have the M11-A1 can't justify spending extra $300 for few checkering cuts, its a total gimic as far as I'm concerned. The M11 comes with tritium night sights and SRT trigger. Its the best trigger I've ever shot on any sig. Thats all I need, guess maybe rails would be nice, but then again I haven't attached a single light or lazer to any of my other guns that have rails, so I can do with out them. Thanks for the review
Good video discussing the differences. I got an Enhanced Elite over the Legion because I hate the "undercut" (aft-cut imho) and I really don't want the challenge coin and all that other garbage (or the inferior finish).
Thanks for the excellent presentation ! I own many sig pistols going back to the 80's when they were made in West Germany. Do you do any presentations on the the new sig suppressors or their new optic line and long gun series ? Thank you for your time.
Just a comment about the coatings you mentioned. PVD is a process in which DLC is applied. People seem to get this confused a lot but essentially anything PVD coated is going to have good hardness and hold up well. DLC's have an excellent surface finish and lubricity to them in addition, I'm not certain if everything PVD coated will though. I wouldn't be surprised if some PVD coatings lack those friction reducing properties. It seems the firearms industry doesn't distinguish these differences well, could be marketing or even their engineering not knowing any better.
Great informative video I just bought the Legion Series 9mm & couldn't be happier! I already own the old Sig Sauer 5.56 ER & the Sig P-5.56 pistol so the Legion is technically my first Sig carry pistol which will relieve my Glock 19. Keep up the good work Sig & eventually I'll have just as many Sigs in my safe as I do Glocks,Berettas,S&W,Springfields,Rugers to name several. I'm now waiting for the .40 & .45 Legions
I've never once heard or seen "Premature slide lock back" with a Sig. Failure to lock back all damn day. But never locking it back. No one on the planet puts upward pressure on the slide release during live fire. It's impossible to do so without actively trying given the location of the lever.
+DevilDolphin I haven't had it happen to me but recall seeing some topics on SigForum some time ago. I'm pretty confident that the reason for modification to that control was due to the shooter accidentally catching the lever and locking the slide inadvertently (perhaps more often when wearing gloves).
+Osage County Guns Admittedly I'm predominantly an HK guy. But I have owned a MK25 P226 for years and fired about 2500 rounds down range with it, I also carry an actual M11(not the M11-A1 aka P229, but a tried and true 228 M11) on duty. I think the more research you do, youtube videos, and forum posts combined, you'll find it's actually failing to lock back on an empty magazine. I've never seen a forum post on premature lock back or even heard of it until this video to be honest with you.
+DevilDolphin I have definitely seen the failures to lock back! It is possible I am wrong but I remember a specific instance where a shooter was experiencing the issue. For some reason I feel like it was on a P320 or P250 and not a P226 / P229 that was being discussed on SigForum. It was about a year or so ago. I'll make an inquiry with Sig to verify the justification for the change to the controls.
I loved this video it was awesome to see the side by side of the black nitron finish up against the finish on the legion series. I am now having to make a tough choice do I want to keep saving for the TRP Operator I have been wanting for a long time or do I want to get this Legion Series p226... Why can't I just have both lol... Also would love it if they came out with a legion series p227 over the p220 due to increased capacity
+Osage County Guns You guys are the best great customer service I luv it! A few months back I bought a beautiful Sig P320 Compact .40 Cal for my off duty carry from you guys and WOW! Shot a perfect score with the gun...OCG you guys wont ever have to worry about losing a customer by me! I plan on buying my rifle from you guys and this Legion Sig if you sale it LOl!
+L&P Inc. Thanks for the kind feedback! I'm glad you love the pistol! We're working on Sig to add the Legion to the IOP / APP program! There are a lot of customers asking for it.
I can operate a 229 with E2 grips very easy but with stock it is a reach. Never held one with G-10 grips. It is going to be much larger than the E2 grips with the short reach trigger?
Very informative video. Do you know if the sights are going to be available I would love to install the cray sights on my p320 compact and p226 elite stainless
Because the original m11-a1’s were p228s, however all p228’s we’re discontinued in 2005. They two are identical the only difference was the p228 was a stamped carbon gun and the P229 is milled (heavier and more durable)
With the price bump from the standard 229, wondering how expensive it would be to do add ons to an old style 229 (trigger, sights, etc) to put it close to the elite status of the Legion
+hockeynpolo1 We have Sig's breakdown on the cost of each enhancement on our blog post linked from the description on this video. Those prices are likely MSRP for each enhancement.
The regular p229s differ in slide thickness and weight (by an ounce or so).. Is this also the case for the Legion series 229s? Or do the 40S&W model and 9mm model share the same slide?
I had one last question? I also purchased my first Sig M400 and was curious if you would ever have any videos regarding that specific AR in the future? Thank you again.
It constantly astounds me that everybody ignores the fact that the slide on the p229 40 cal (newer ones) is 1/10 inch wider and taller than that of the 9mm. That is a big difference; holsters that fit the 9mm P229 and m11-A1 do not fit the 40 cal. ...how many people know that?
okay, what is the point of getting the p226 version over the p229, im getting legion either way but just asking how is it better? better distance, low recoil etc? does the exta inch in the barrel make a difference over the compact or concealed carry option.
I live in Ireland where we have very strict gun CONTROL, I lived in Arizona for several years where I enjoyed a wide choice of guns ranging from flint lock, cap & ball and more modern types. I really enjoyed the video.
Got my legion 2 weeks ago and love it. It's now my EDC.
Great comparison which convinced me that the M11A1 is the pistol for me. New subscriber and I look forward to seeing more from you.
Wish I could get M11A1. Not on California roster.
@encinobalboa
I hate that for you man. That will never change until democrats are voted out and even then it will probably take decades to get all those ridiculous gun laws reversed. My eyes are getting worse every year and I've started using red dots on my main carry pistol. Unfortunately the M11A1 is not MOS ready and I believe would give the 229 a run for the money if it were.
@@eddieengland9886 M11A1 would have paired nicely with my Mk25-CA. Gotta love LCI and mag disconnect as much as seat belts.
What were those reasons for you? I have the Mk25 and looking to pair them up. Do you know what trigger mods are available for the M11-A1? From grey guns perhaps?
@Hialeah1925
For me I like the absence of a light rail since the only pistol I use one on is my nightstand pistol. It's sleekness, durability, Sig sights and trigger, and it's not optics ready. I have a 365XL with a green dot which is my cc gun most of the time and it's handy for that for my aging eyes but I really don't think I'd need it with the M11A1. Only one way to find out I guess.
Both the 226 and 229 video's were the best I have seen on the internet describing the guns totally.
Well done.
I'd love to see Sig offer Legion Members a free hand gun tactics class at there Sig academy
M11-A1 was and still is the best of these by far. A compact pistol does not need a stupid and ugly rail and hooked guard with bottom surface to abrade your fingers on the bottom. The M11 also has corrosion resistance in internal parts. I did put a standard trigger on the one I had but had left the rest stock because it was so good. As for the "legion" guns, Sig is now sending a much cheaper gun case if you register. I sold that Sig too... only one I regret selling is the M11, when I can afford it again, I'll probably purchase another in the future.
E2 upgrade kit is worth a look for the hammer rod. I saw a video that showed what looked like an original MEM part. The kit has a metal rod with much better finish. Video presenter said that new rod made huge difference in DA pull.
I bought a P 226 with the legacy slide and E2 grips from your company recently and I am very pleased by the service I received. The salesman was very friendly and helpful. He was also quite informative about the products on your website. I look forward to making additional purchases from you in the future.
I own a 229 legion. I love it
This is one of the most informative and thoughtful videos I GM have ever seen that compares firearms. I will be back to watch more! For future videos, please also include a shooting segment if possible.
I got a 229 scorpion and love it. Now I Can't wait to get my hands on the 226 leigon!
Great video! It actually swayed me away from the M11. I'm just not a fan of the dovetails on the others. Back to my original plan of the P229 Combat!
seem the M11-A1 compact would be a better carry gun. the eternals may hold up in different environments better.
This is by far the best comparison video I have ever seen. Thank you very much for taking time to make this video.
I've been drooling over an M11, but the Legion has changed my mind
The P229 Legion is my favorite! Love this gun!
Didn't see it mentioned or I missed it but the Legion is the only one of the 3 that comes with a solid steel guide rod. The other 2 are hollow.
Nice video. Just what I was looking for...a comparison between the different P229's.
Just Subscribed to your Chanell, great information about the New Legion Series as well. I have an M11A1 and love it along with a P229R 9mm with the TacPac-L, also have a Beretta M9 but back in 1990 I became a Police Officer and we were issued the Sig P226 and have had a Sig throughout the years and absolutely love them. I had an original Sig P228 in the late 90's but had to sell in 2001 but about a year ago I purchased my M11A1 and the P229 and the M9 and saw your videos tonight about the Legion Series and what all the Legion Series entails for someone purchasing this great new Line and already I'm thinking GREAT another Sig P229 I feel I MUST add to my collection so THANKS guys. LOL Seriously tho the videos were very informative and I like you have many different things ABOUT the Sig Brand as a whole. Keep up the good work and wouldn't mind trying to win a Sig hat sometime if I can as well, I think you can win one anyways I believe right? Well I hope I can, thanks again and look forward to more informative videos.
The Sig Legion P229 is definitely going on the Christmas list.
You guys do a great job presenting. I appreciate it. Thanks!
Excellent Comparison ....I Have Sig P 229 Legion....I Carried on Duty and Off Duty, Very Effective, and I Love It....(a Retired HPD Office).
Thank you for explaining the difference between the three guns, have a great week!
I liked the video. I thought it was very informative about the differences among the different versions of the different models. What I really wish is that I had seen a video like this before I bought my first Sig. I just recently bought my first Sig, a P226 Elite SAO. It would have been great to see a video like this before I bought mine. I'll keep your channel in mind for my future needs. Thanks
I own a M11-A1 is an awesome handgun. I thank you for explaining the Legion Benefits, just for that I may buy one. Yes Sig can be expensive but compare with what ???? There are NOT polymer guns, so there is no comparison with Glocks.
This will defiantly be my next side arm purchase. I could use that Sig Trucker hat to go with it too! :) Thanks for the awesome review and info! I look forward to the day you have them in stock!
Thanks for the info - I have a Scorpion on hold in 9mm - thinking about changing over to the legion now. Your comments on finish and wear struck home. I LOVE the feel of the Scorpion vs the M11-A1 - ny local shop didn't have a legion in stock. may wait until they get one in
Nice lineup of 229, I have the OG 229 40S&W. Mines almost 30yr old shoots and looks better than most new guns. Sig cost a little more but last a lot longer than most. Great video and info👍👍
Thanks for the review. Exactly the info I was looking for.
Great video. After watching the comparison I bought a Legion P229. I a ready have the M11-A1 which I love. Thanks for a job well done. Also subscribed to the channel.
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can't wait to buy my sig m11
Very interested in the Legion P229. Great comparison video.
Excellent interview...! Very detailed...
People keep mentioning the high price point. Well gents, as the OCG guy mentioned, the features bring it up to a good deal. Allow me to elaborate. I was tempted to get a scorpion and mod the frame, similar to what Sig made to the Legion. The metal work and refinish would have left me without $ for a Bruce Gray trigger job, and some aftermarket sights. As for the "join the cool kids club" marketing/hype, meh. These are tools, not some trendy/"swag" sneakers to impress on the first day of school. OCG, keep that discount going, because MSRP is for suckers. (dibs on the sig trucker hat.)
I hadn't even heard of the Legion series. I have nearly every standard and elite Sig P 22x series made. I'm missing scorpion models. The Legion looks very well thought out and desirable. The only shortfall to me, is the beaver tails and semi beaver tails are too thick, and don't add much value. They don't allow one to get the web of the hand higher up such as on a good 1911 or CZ75 Custom. That addition to the Legion would have sold many folks on the gun (IMO) and a MUST have for me. But obviously they are still my favorite since I keep selling my other guns to buy Sigs. Fantastic model comparison video...the best I've seen.
I am in love with this legion pistol...thanks for the video!
Thank you for an informative video. I'm a long time Sig owner I've had a chance to shoot all three of these beautiful weapons and a couple of points are worth making that were not discussed here. Grip size and feel are all very different. I prefer the E2 grips that come standard on the 229 Enhanced Elite. They are a thinner profile and have a great tactile feel. The M11 and Scorpion can be swapped out for E2...does anyone know if the Legion can? My opinion of the new XRay-3 sights is they are great but really only brought Sig up to what has been available in the aftermarket for a long long time and in all honesty, I don't think they are as good as some of the site specific manufacturers. Lastly a suggestion for future videos, please use a neutral/white mat on the table when showing the features of a black gun. Thanks again!
Is the legion grip bigger than the others?
You've probably long since had this question answered, so this is more for comment section browsers: Yes, the E2 one-piece grip will fit on the Legion P229.
Love your videos, very informative and detailed. I think the Legion Series is awesome!
Information was great; I have wanted a sig tac ops 226 for a while, but I think this legion 229 is a better buy.
Thanks for the great video. I really want the x-ray sights and think I want the gray guns trigger, but I plan to carry this and have no need for the rail. I am also concerned about the crappy Legion PVD finish. Scorpion is out for me due to the full beavertail and overall size (it's actually slightly longer and heavier than my MK25). Decisions, decisions.
What did you go with?
Thanks for the well thought out review! Very cool!
Got 3 Sigs, am looking forward to trying the Legion.
Very thorough review - nicely done...
I thought the scorpian was the best 229,I had to get it when it came out. now you come up with the legion! congrates, nice piece! going to have to work some ot!
Nice video! I see a P229 .357 SIG Legion in my future. That is when they are in stock.
I'd put the M11-A1 above the Legion 229 for two simple facts:
The phosphate treated components in the M11 improve the wear and tear lifetime, and will keep your handgun more reliable in the long term.
And second, the 229 Legion has a single-point adjustable trigger which *is* very good out of the box--you can tune them to be finger-pressure-reset. But you can buy an M11 for $300 cheaper, get a two-point Grayguns adjustable trigger (both pre-travel and over-travel) for around $70, get an E2 one-piece grip that has better hand-fit and grip than the Legion grip plates. You'll still have around $175 leftover, and end up with a better performing handgun.
Great vid for me, I'm presently in the market for my second sig. I had narrowed down scorpion elite p229, p225, p229 legion. I didn't think of the m11a1. Also in the running is a sig or colt 1911 and sa range officer compact
Very informative comparison. I have a 229 Elite in 40/.357 Sig with an SRT trigger. Love this semi-auto. It would be nice for you to compare it to the Scorpion as it is a 40 cal. You could also explain how easy it is to swap from 40 to 357 Sig.
That was a great comparison video, too bad at the end of the video we couldn't go out and do a side by side shooting comparison!!
Am leaning so hard towards a P229 Legion! Drooling my be involved but ya' can't prove it! Seriously, the Swag / Lifestyle items are cool and all but it's the pistol that makes me look at the inventory and see what can go and buy the Legion, ya' I'd buy a knife too...
Nice review, wondered what the differences were.
How about a top down view instead of just a front view? I would love to see a side by side comparison of color as well.
I have the M11-A1 can't justify spending extra $300 for few checkering cuts, its a total gimic as far as I'm concerned. The M11 comes with tritium night sights and SRT trigger. Its the best trigger I've ever shot on any sig. Thats all I need, guess maybe rails would be nice, but then again I haven't attached a single light or lazer to any of my other guns that have rails, so I can do with out them. Thanks for the review
Very informative and good format.
another awesome review.... great info... you guys rock!!!
Good video discussing the differences. I got an Enhanced Elite over the Legion because I hate the "undercut" (aft-cut imho) and I really don't want the challenge coin and all that other garbage (or the inferior finish).
One comment about something that I seldom see mentioned; the newer .40 cal p229R has a significantly wider slide than the 9mm.
Great review. Very well done.
Thanks for the excellent presentation ! I own many sig pistols going back to the 80's when they were made in West Germany. Do you do any presentations on the the new sig suppressors or their new optic line and long gun series ? Thank you for your time.
Just a comment about the coatings you mentioned. PVD is a process in which DLC is applied. People seem to get this confused a lot but essentially anything PVD coated is going to have good hardness and hold up well. DLC's have an excellent surface finish and lubricity to them in addition, I'm not certain if everything PVD coated will though. I wouldn't be surprised if some PVD coatings lack those friction reducing properties. It seems the firearms industry doesn't distinguish these differences well, could be marketing or even their engineering not knowing any better.
+David Swenson David, thanks for the clarification!
i just wish i can get 226 or 229 legion's in California...
Great informative video I just bought the Legion Series 9mm & couldn't be happier! I already own the old Sig Sauer 5.56 ER & the Sig P-5.56 pistol so the Legion is technically my first Sig carry pistol which will relieve my Glock 19. Keep up the good work Sig & eventually I'll have just as many Sigs in my safe as I do Glocks,Berettas,S&W,Springfields,Rugers to name several. I'm now waiting for the .40 & .45 Legions
solid steel guide rod in the legion! I am not actually sure if it makes a real difference though.
+shihster88 Fractions of a gram heavier would help with muzzle rise. LOL. HKs have them. So hurray for over-engineering!
I've never once heard or seen "Premature slide lock back" with a Sig. Failure to lock back all damn day. But never locking it back. No one on the planet puts upward pressure on the slide release during live fire. It's impossible to do so without actively trying given the location of the lever.
+DevilDolphin I haven't had it happen to me but recall seeing some topics on SigForum some time ago. I'm pretty confident that the reason for modification to that control was due to the shooter accidentally catching the lever and locking the slide inadvertently (perhaps more often when wearing gloves).
+Osage County Guns Admittedly I'm predominantly an HK guy. But I have owned a MK25 P226 for years and fired about 2500 rounds down range with it, I also carry an actual M11(not the M11-A1 aka P229, but a tried and true 228 M11) on duty. I think the more research you do, youtube videos, and forum posts combined, you'll find it's actually failing to lock back on an empty magazine. I've never seen a forum post on premature lock back or even heard of it until this video to be honest with you.
+DevilDolphin I have definitely seen the failures to lock back! It is possible I am wrong but I remember a specific instance where a shooter was experiencing the issue. For some reason I feel like it was on a P320 or P250 and not a P226 / P229 that was being discussed on SigForum. It was about a year or so ago. I'll make an inquiry with Sig to verify the justification for the change to the controls.
I will verify right now. My P229 .40 failed to lock after last round constantly. Pushed me to sell it.
Excellent presentation.
Can’t decide m11a1 or P229 legion. I just want the most reliable for ccw
Take the m11 for ccw plus you safe money
I own both, the M11 A1's finish is going to hold up longer.
Thanks again for good video comparison!
Just missed the opportunity to get a used P229 Scorpion in .40 for $650 by about 45 minutes at my local store, what a shame.
good video brotha, very informative.
Sweet, thanks for the comparison!
Great detailed informative video
Great video. Very informative
time to start saving my money . just bought 1911 tacops last week
Love the Legion series...
Love the color tone. Does the undercut on the Legion help with the notorious Sig height-over-bore axis?
I loved this video it was awesome to see the side by side of the black nitron finish up against the finish on the legion series. I am now having to make a tough choice do I want to keep saving for the TRP Operator I have been wanting for a long time or do I want to get this Legion Series p226... Why can't I just have both lol... Also would love it if they came out with a legion series p227 over the p220 due to increased capacity
+Osage County Guns You guys are the best great customer service I luv it! A few months back I bought a beautiful Sig P320 Compact .40 Cal for my off duty carry from you guys and WOW! Shot a perfect score with the gun...OCG you guys wont ever have to worry about losing a customer by me! I plan on buying my rifle from you guys and this Legion Sig if you sale it LOl!
+L&P Inc. Thanks for the kind feedback! I'm glad you love the pistol! We're working on Sig to add the Legion to the IOP / APP program! There are a lot of customers asking for it.
Osage County Guns OH, I'm sure I can't wait to own one in .40 Cal !!! I luv the heavy sturdy feel of it.
I can operate a 229 with E2 grips very easy but with stock it is a reach. Never held one with G-10 grips. It is going to be much larger than the E2 grips with the short reach trigger?
Geez... I have the PO (plain old) model and it is great!
I can't wait till get a legion !!!
Very informative video. Do you know if the sights are going to be available I would love to install the cray sights on my p320 compact and p226 elite stainless
I have a M11-A1...I realize the firearm is closer to the P229. I am curious is to why the P228 grips. Oh BTW, great video!
Because the original m11-a1’s were p228s, however all p228’s we’re discontinued in 2005. They two are identical the only difference was the p228 was a stamped carbon gun and the P229 is milled (heavier and more durable)
With the price bump from the standard 229, wondering how expensive it would be to do add ons to an old style 229 (trigger, sights, etc) to put it close to the elite status of the Legion
+hockeynpolo1 We have Sig's breakdown on the cost of each enhancement on our blog post linked from the description on this video. Those prices are likely MSRP for each enhancement.
The regular p229s differ in slide thickness and weight (by an ounce or so).. Is this also the case for the Legion series 229s? Or do the 40S&W model and 9mm model share the same slide?
+Richard Lee I believe they use different slides just like other P229's so I suspect there will be a minor variation in weight.
Ahhhhh the 229's!! 😍 Now we're talkin. Definitely like the Legion the best here. That FDE is pretty sweet though.
Excellent video - Thank you
I just purchased a P220 Carry Elite Dark. Can I purchase a set, or have the Sig factory install a set of the X-Ray sights on my pistol?
It all started for me with my first gun a p938 and won't stop there
I'm currently looking for a new gun. Can you do a comparison between the Sig Sauer 229 Legion and the Beretta PX4 Storm compact carry?
Christmas is coming. Sure would like a p229 legion :)
Nice advertisement for the Legion.
Value? The M11-A1 is the best value out of all 3 of those, what are you smoking?
I had one last question? I also purchased my first Sig M400 and was curious if you would ever have any videos regarding that specific AR in the future? Thank you again.
+Brian Quillen We'll see if we can put something together.
do you have any more info on the actual member benifits or pricing of the legion store?
It constantly astounds me that everybody ignores the fact that the slide on the p229 40 cal (newer ones) is 1/10 inch wider and taller than that of the 9mm. That is a big difference; holsters that fit the 9mm P229 and m11-A1 do not fit the 40 cal. ...how many people know that?
So beautiful
I've always wanted a 228 and the m11a1 is my shot at that.
What about the enhanced reset? Is it any different than the tacops?
Great vid 👌
Does the 229 Legion fit into a kydex holster for a 229R?
okay, what is the point of getting the p226 version over the p229, im getting legion either way but just asking how is it better? better distance, low recoil etc? does the exta inch in the barrel make a difference over the compact or concealed carry option.
nice demo easy too understand.