I have the 226 SAO legion. It is about as perfect as a full-size 9 mm pistol can be. In fact, for me, it is essentially a double stack 9 mm 1911 that is easier to take down and clean. The night sights, the beaver tail, the undercut, the grips, the extremely short reset, the point ability, combined with a the best trigger of any non 1911 out there, make it one of my favorite pistols. It is just excellent. Thanks for the video
I own one myself. It really is a higher capacity, smooth shooting 1911 with everything a 1911 should have. Plus the flat face trigger with a short break and reset make it that much better than a standard P226.
And the only thing better is the full size 226 SAO RXP Legion. It’s very much an affordable 1911 type; my Nighthawk Shadowhawk 1911 in 9mm with Trijicon RMR is just as great, but it is a pain to clean simply because the slide to frame fit is so tight. It sometimes takes me 10 minutes to find the exact spot where the slide stop will slide out.
@@SnapD24 I have no idea what is was designed to be. I only know what it is. I am also going to get a Beretta 92x, to see what that is about. I couldn’t be more pleased with this pistol.
I'm 51 and a veteran 🎗. I like the older "classic" P series with the rounded style over the E series. SIG Sauer did not make E type models very long but they were ⬇️. DAK pistols are + too. PS Hogue, Guy Hogue makes excellent P series SIG grips.
@@LifeStyle-uh1ns The only difference between the two is that the Sig includes a MIM sear and the GG is a machined sear. I have found it hit or miss, some feel exactly the same while others feel ever so slightly better in favor of GG.
I liked the standard trigger on my issue 226, but I did install short triggers for our female officers and a couple of male officers. They liked the short triggers and their shooting improved.
Caleb, thanks for the rundown on the differences between the Legion and the standard SIG. I've been using SIGs as police patrol guns since the 80's, and now I have a P226 in retirement. I've concluded that absolutely none of the Legion features are a necessity for me, nor would they influence, in my opinion, the course of a police or civilian gun fight. Other's opinions may vary and that is fine, it is their money. But my 2008 police trade-in P226 does have a feature I find myself using all the time, and that is that it shoots four different calibers. Mine started life as a .40 purchased in good shape for $350 with working night sights, to which I rather quickly added a factory .357 SIG barrel, and then found a brand new, almost unobtainable SIG Caliber X-Change Kit for 9mm and another one (used) for .22lr. So for less than the price of a P226 Legion, I have a P226 that shoots four calibers. I like the .40 with heavy bullets for home defense, the .357 SIG for an outdoors and long range gun, the 9mm for club level IDPA events, and the .22 LR for cheap practice and training new shooters. Included in my budget was a SIG branded P226 CO2 air pistol, which is super-realistic and allows me to practice at home indoors when I can't get to the range. About the only pistol I like as well is my Beretta 92X Compact. Trying to choose between them is like trying to decided which of your kids you love more. But if I had to sell one, I'd keep the SIG. As mine is configured, it will simply do more.
I absolutely love my P229 Legion. All the ergonomics and the way it sits in my med/LG hands. Worth the extra few dollars to get over the Nitron version.
One thing I noticed in this video was Caleb shooting on the range, which adds flair to the video. I like that. I also like that Caleb is a Sig guy but he’s not a Sig snob lol
I had a P320 Full, and now a P320 X5 Legion. It's a night and day difference between the two. The trigger is a lot more positive in the Legion, and the added weight of the TXG grip really helps the fun feel controllable and connected. I have a P226R and two P226 Legion SAO's. The difference between the two is staggering. The checkering on the front of the grip just feels more comfortable AND grippy. The sights are massively upgraded, the trigger, while a little unfair to compare a DA/SA and SAO trigger, is the difference between an $8 steak from Denny's and a dry aged rib eye. The standard trigger is fine, especially for a duty type gun, the double action pull is heavy, you are not ready for how heavy that pull is, the single action pull is fine, but not great. The SAO Legion is a crisp break. If you can afford a Legion, it is 100% worth it. Or you can just do what I do... and buy them all because I hate money.
I ended up adding a Wilson Combat grip module and weights to my 320, which feels great if you like that 1911 shape. Also added a Sig flat enhanced skeletonized trigger which brings the pull weight down to around 4-4.5 lbs and makes it notably crisper on the break (it's the XFive Legion trigger). While I'm sure it's not quite the same, it gets those with a non-Legion P320 in the same ballpark. Gotta love the modularity of the platform!
... I have a P220 Legion in 10mm and when I let friends fire the pistol I have to do two things: one, get the jaws of life to pry the gun from their hands and two, get ahold of a plastic surgeon to get that permanent "ear to ear" smile of of their face! The gun is just that good and worth every penny ...
That slide catch is not meant as a slide release. I've had company reps and Sig armorers strongly recommend to build a habit of retracting the slide and releasing it after a reload. I have a pair of P220's and always carried them for LE duty. Feel free to debate me internet commandos, but that was the proper way, and will extend the life of the part immensely.
Go to Google Patents and look up the patent for the P220. It's called a slide release in the patent. Just because a sales rep or a cop tells you something doesn't make it true. The people who drew up the patent called it a slide release. You just got punked by an internet commando. That makes you my internet b*tch.
I have had a P220 45 auto since 1995. Carried this pistol everyday for years. I just got the 40th Anniversary Sig Sauer P226 in 9mm. I changed front sights on both with Amerglo orange front sights.
I gave up finding an affordable P229 in 357 SIG, then stumbled on one last weekend and laid it away. Used, 40 S&W, place had a new 357 SIG barrel they included. No case, one mag. I can tell you what it isn't, but no info, including from Sog, exactly what it IS. Not a Legion. Doesn't look like an Elite, or Nightmare. One of the original models, rounded corners, which doesn't seem to have a name. Not sure what kind of trigger. My guess is it is DAK, but until I pick it up and shoot it, not sure. Any advice from SIG shooters is welcome.
@@keithgraham9547 Police trade in dak, matrix precision makes a conversion kit that it's relatively easy to install using a disassembly guide. No special tools apart from an Allen key set required
Love my 229 Legion... all the features you discussed. Decided to put a red dot on it... but I think I like it clean with the enhanced iron sights. Great piece and fun to shoot!
This is correct, SIG stopped PVD many years ago: early 2019 to be specific. The elite cerakote is more green gray than the PVD gray. Honestly, SIG does nitron better than anything else.
Man, the best value is my early production s&w M&P 2.0 that came in FDE from the factory. It’s got a black nitride finish with a factory cerakote on top of it, with a stainless slide. That thing is so coated, it’ll basically never rust.
Thanks Caleb for the great video! I have been on the fence for a long time about getting a Legion. This video pushed me over the edge. I didn’t realize the Legion had Grey. Guns’ triggers. Can’t wait to place my order
Short and objective review, appreciated. My EDC P229 Legion 9mm Shootability is amazing across the board, ergonomics, sights, trigger. Worth carrying every extra ounce 💪🏼🇺🇸
Thanks for the info. A lot of people have the idea the Legion series is all about a ‘club’. I had no idea till I had the opportunity to shoot one. My wife has a 229, which is a great pistol-but there is no comparison between the two.
I have the a May 2019 P220 Legion 10mm which is a DREAM to shoot and that Hammer, Trigger and internals where not the Standard MIM parts but Tool Steel so I started to research who made the those parts for SIG. After doing so research I found that Sig was using a Kit distributed by Cylinder and Slide who has a long history of collaboration with SIG going back to the SIG Blackwater 1911 Pistol that was the Predecessor to the SIG 1911 TacOps. I purchased three of the Cylinder and Slide SIG Tactical Trigger Kits from Brownells before Brownells Discontinued Carrying the KITS which I hope THEY WILL START to CARRY AGAIN SOON!!!!! I have taken two standard P226 40SW/357SIG and one P220 45acp and upgraded them with the kits plus Trijicon HD night sights, and Hogue G10 checkered Grips and was able to ELEVATE the pistols to 95 percent of LEGION Capability. I recently pick up a Police Trade in P227 in Excellent Condition and I am planning to give it the DIY LEGION treatment the only thing this pistol is going to be missing is going to be the Medium Size Beavertail because the P227 came with everything else and I wish that SIG would Re-Introduce a Steel Frame Version in 10mm with a 5 inch barrel which would not be that hard to do since the P227 and P220 45acp/10mm slides are compatible.
I have a 226 Legion and have put about 800 rounds through it. The only thing that I have an issue with is that you can ride the slide lock control depending on your grip. If your ride high on your right thumb (right handed shooters), the slide may not lock back at the end of a mag. I would say this is more user related than a “flaw.” I really enjoy everything else about the pistol. It is great.
Yea I have the same issue on my 226 SAO Legion. If I gas peddle the safety with my right thumb in a high grip and I don't consciously keep my thumb a little more left than usual the slide doesn't lock back. 500 rnds in and I'm still getting used to it.
Nice pistols, SIG does it right. A guy couldn’t go wrong with either one of them. I have a P220 pistol. It was manufactured in West Germany. I love the pistol and will keep it until the day I die. 🙂
P220 in .45 auto is a great Gun, carried mine on duty for ten years. It’s a made in “Germany” gun that I bought in 1997. But you’re lucky with the “West Germany” made one. That will become a collector’s gun if it has not already become one.
I have one of those W. Germany ones too. When I sent it to NH to have night sight dovetails milled into it they all but begged me to leave it original with the pinned front blade. That's just not me, it is a working gun. It is my backpack gun now, because it is so much lighter than my other 220 which is all stainless. Mine broke a sear in 2000, but other than that, its been a very solid tool. BTW, if your sear ever breaks with that model it becomes DAO, and still shoots off the trigger bar, which is a nice piece of engineering.
I picked up a surplus West German P6 (the German police issued version of the P225) that was manufactured a month after I was born in June of 84 as my first pistol for $200 and it spoiled me... I've never found anything I like as much as that 40 year old gun since lol. Its been my edc as long as i've had it although I finally found a good deal on a new Legion P229 that basically was the pistol at cost with a free Romeo1 red dot so almost 15 years later I'm finally replacing it. I think once the new one gets here next week I'm going to send the ol' girl off to Sig and let them give her a little tlc, she's definitely earned it.
Heck, you're Caleb with Brownell's. I wouldn't expect you to have a regular anything. I'm a cheap old basxxxx is the only reason I didn't buy a Legion 229 when they first came out. Alas, other guns have long since sucked up that cash I had put back for a Legion. But I still got my Glock 40 Problem Solva (it says YEET on the side, that's how you know). Maybe one day soon I can trade into a gently used one. Thanks, Caleb for the breakdown.
The (slightly) more affordable P226/P229 Elite series has a similar undercut and checkering, with a slightly longer beavertail, and the short reset trigger (which debuted on the Elite). SRT not to be confused with the factory GG trigger on the Legion.
I have a 30-year old Sig P-228 (I bought it new). I love the pistol and wouldn't trade or sell it for anything. I carried a P-226 as a police officer and hated to turn it in when I retired.
The only 2 semi auto pistols I felt fit my left hand the best ✔️ were SIG P226s rounded style. Also the now out of production, S&W round grip 5906/3906 9mm. SIG designs were excellent.
I currently own and daily Cary a P229 Legion and I love this gun accuracy is fantastic and looks are amazing. Mine also has holster character but in my opinion that is part of the beauty.
Everybody is different. I put Speed Sights on, Hogue rubber grips, and BarSto 2 port barrels with NT+ coating (wright armory). Obviously there are folks selling ‘improved’ triggers, internal parts, etc. Great guns.
I have many Legions, and my favorite is the 226 SAO RXP. My carry gun is the 229 Legion. The triggers are amazing, but if you’d like to improve your triggers further, send you pistols off to The Sig Armorer in Texas, and Robert will reduce your take up and eliminate any overtravel. My 226 SAO Legion has a 1 pound 12 ounce trigger. The reset can’t be More than a millimeter. Robert does a dynamite job. Best Regards
Prosecutors convinced a jury to convict a man of second degree murder, their case based on the fact he defended himself with 10mm. A custom 1.5# SAO trigger job doesn't help your defense in a homicide prosecution. Think before you speak.
My nightstand gun is a Legion 229 series’s just for the reasons you mentioned, fortunately I have not had to use it in a defensive way and hopefully never will but out at the range, and desert as well it has been flawless. . .thanks for the video.
I recently got the P220 Legion 10mm , amazing shooter with perfect trigger imo. Also purchased the P229 Pro its surprising close to a legion with out the grey guns trigger job, and PVD coating. both amazing shooters.
Thanks for doing this. I have a P226 Elite Emperor Scorpion and I REALLY prefer it to a standard 226, which I really don't care for due to ergos, grip, sights, trigger, and the aesthetics.
@@FishKepr, yes. G10 grips, really substantial beaver tail, tridium night sights in front and back, there can't be much difference between it and the Legion. Maybe the controls are still larger for the slide release and decocker.
It is worth every cent. Mine handle is a bit agressive but not a problem. Never had any problem manipulating the controls. The best part is the trigger. That short travel was a bit strange when I first handled it at the shop, but with time come to appreciate. The trigger is very good and makes the pistol a joy to shoot as accuracy and feeling too.
I've had or have a few of these. Still my favorite is the MK25 that already had night sights and I added the SRT trigger parts and G10 grips. It also has a true pic. rail vs the Sig rail. The 226 Extreme I still have is great too.
Love everything about my 226 Legion. At first the weight of the weapon took some getting use to. But once I adapted, it is a joy to shoot. Well worth the money.
i own 2 SIG P226s, one original version with "West-Germany"-markings, aluminium frame and extractor on the inside the other one with steel frame, pic rail, newer extractor design. I am very happy with both of them - although i got both used: accurate und reliable! A few years ago i had the chance to handle a new legion and was pretty dissapointed: it rattled if you shook it on a closed slide! An absolute no go for me in that price category!
I have a P220 Nitron 45 ACP and a P220 Legion 10mm. The sights are the same on both so that's a wash. I like the controls on the Nitron better so I'm putting the Nitron slide release in the Legion. I'm also putting the E2 grip upgrade kit, and the short trigger on both. The Nitron doesn't have the SRT in it so the it will get that upgrade kit as well. The one thing I don't like about the P220 Legion 10mm that there is apparently no fix for is the very weak black coating on the magazines. I'd just as soon have the stainless steel magazines that the P220 45 ACP takes. Just my opinion, both are good guns but neither are what I consider good to go out of the box. What would be nice is if Sig would offer a custom shop al la carte where a gun can be ordered with everything you want and nothing you don't.
Yesterday at a range in New Hampshire, using my P226 Legion SAO RXP, I put three rounds in the center (1 3/4”) of a VTEC B8 target at 25 yards, and three more in a line right next to each other just above the center. It’s a very accurate gun, and I mentioned elsewhere, Robert at The Sig Armorer did a competition trigger job on this gun, reducing the trigger weight to 1 pound 12 ounces. Best Regards.
Thank you for the excellent comparison video! Well and fairly done, thorough but not belaboring the points. I do believe I may have seen a bit of fumbling with the small slide release on the Legion 😊 but personally I can overlook this minor detail in the pistol design, given so many other advantages that justify the higher price. I guess if it were really a deal breaker for someone they could replace that particular part easily enough. Thanks again!
Just got a P229 Legion. I liked the gun to begin with, though I prematurely bought the gray guns fat strut bar and SRT kit, and didn’t really notice a difference in trigger pulls or resets. Considering the ELS from them too to see if that makes a difference too. However, the trigger really isn’t that bad. My biggest complaint is the extra hump of G10 on the left side. I almost want to get a second pair of grips and sand it down to slim it up a little bit
My legion 226 sao has had the paint chipping on the front near the barrel. I don’t ever holster it, and really haven’t shot it much. I was very disappointed in the finish durability considering the price. That aside, it’s one hell of a great shooter.
I’ve had my P226 Legion for about a year. Best hammer fired trigger I have shot. I also have a P220 Compact, and Beretta 92X in hammer fired. Legion easily beats them and I agree if you can afford it…get it! It’s worth the price. The first time I shot it, I told my wife, it was like the difference between driving a Taurus and then stepping into an Audi😃
I own both a regular P229 and a P229 Legion. To be honest, I like the regular one better. The so-called “upgrades” on the Legion were not worth it to me.
No doubt the best Sig period. My box says Legion R2 and is by far the best 226 out of them all. Multiple changes were made, the slide lock making it smaller so as not to ride it while shooting causing slide not to last round lock back. Just a beautiful made gun and I love mine so much that I bought another. Excellent shooter! Good Luck and God Bless to all those that support The Constitution of The United States of America 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I have a P227 Tac Ops Elite. So the Elite has all the features of the Legion aside from the logo. The checkering, the G10 grips, and the beaver tail make it so comfortable to hold. And that’s a double stack .45 APC. It’s a little odd SiG didn’t put front slide serration's on that P226 Legion. Love my P227.
I have a P229 Legion in 40/357 SIG. I also have a P229 Elite in 9mm. There is a difference. I prefer the grip on the Legion, and use it as a carry gun pretty regularly, mostly with the 357 SIG barrel. I use the P229 Elite for 3gun competition mostly.
Glock fanboy here and I got the chance to shoot a buddies 226 legion and I fell in love with it. I still love my Glocks but a Sig legion will likely end up in my collection one day.
I used to have a 229. Have a 226 legion now and I have never looked back. Between the PPD coating, the x-ray sights, the beaver tail, the G-10 grips and the factory tuned trigger, there is no way a shooter could duplicate the feature set for even twice the difference! The legion is a no brainer!
i like this comment, i have 2100 for a pistol saved up, i could get the 226 legion w/optic, or i could get a reg 226 and a reg 229...i cant decide, but this helped me towards just getting the 226/229 w/optic and saving the rest for ammo
6:24 watching the slide slam into battery without picking up a round just made me cringe. IDK I always imagined that the striping of a round slows the slide down a bit and makes for smother softer crash. I have a P226 Legion SAO with 100k rounds through it. Great shooter, love the gun 4th barrel, frame is a little worn so the slide is kinda loose on the frame but the barrel and slide lock up real tight still and shes a beamer.
I have 320 x5 legion, 220 SAO legion and are awesome guns. Amazing triggers on both. Have a standard 226 that came with standard slide. Put the pro cut optics slide on and gray guns g10 grips. Also a really good trigger took some getting used to. The p210 trigger puts just about all triggers to shame
P210 is a target pistol, not really designed as a carry firearm. Absolutely beautiful machine, only high end 1911's can beat that trigger. I run a 226 Legion myself, I've wanted a 210 for a while but never come across one, I'd snap it up in a heartbeat if I ever see one.
I bought a 229 legion when they first came out. It’s the first 229 i have owned in 9mm not forty cal. I am use to the forty, I had to get use to it in9mm and I love it’s just a different feel but I look at it as I didn’t have to buy parts.
Thanks for the demo/comparison _ We enjoy using the MK25 - sure the trigger can be better and so the options for the grip. Perhaps someone would make rubber for large hands to make it more convenient. Cheers!!
Love the excuses for sigs shit coating. I have seen that pvd wear off without touching a holster yet my p220 nitrate that I carried for for and ccw, still looks brand new.
Carry p226 nitron now 4+ years. Zero holster wear on the slide finish, and the frame only has where from wear I mount my light. Carried either a p220 or p226 now a decade and the nitron does not show common holster wear. Also, if you want a MUCH better trigger. SIG armor strut, armory crafts smooth action kit, and adj trigger. Far superior trigger to stock.
Mine is a SAO P226 Legion. Excellent gun -- I believe the P226/220 falls in the 2011/double stack 1911 category. No problems or shortcomings with the Legion series; however, I have a BUL Armory 1911 Commander with a trigger that rivals the Legion.
I got one of the last grey P226 Legion RXP DA/SA traded it out for the one I originally got SAO P226 Legion gray w/o RDS. Now just have to get a SRT. Might have to pick up a P229 Legion to carry (w or w/o RDS)
Planning to get the P226 Legion since the release. I am actually very hopeful that Sig will reintroduce the P227 in a 15 round 10mm and offer it in the Legion package. If/when they do I will make that purchase happen asap.
I have the P938 Legion that I like a lot, EXCEPT, It has a problem when I load a full magazine, rack a round in the chamber then remove the magazine to top it off it has a round loose in the mag well. The thing that really got me about this issue is when I contacted Sig about this, the costumer service guy told me this is normal. WHAT? It's the way it's engineered he tells me. I've always heard good things about Sig costumer service but I'm not impressed. Thanks and have a good day.
I have a P320 X5 Legion that has the Grey Guns trigger. This trigger is not even comparable to a standard Sig trigger; much, much better. I am now considering a P226 X5 Legion SAO. One of the best things I like about this gun is the Gray Guns trigger, close to the smoothness of a 1911 trigger.
Personally, not without feeling the slide to receiver 'play'. They have tight tolerances to start, but if they are used hard and infrequently lubricated, they can get sloppy due to friction wear between the alloy frame and steel slide. In battery, even well worn ones have tight lockup...so it should still be a good shooter. There are a lot of worse handguns brand new than a very used 226. But I'd just get a new one myself, because they are so worth the money.
@@upcycle.outdoorsman9629 classic firearms website has them in "good to very good" condition for 6bills. Scootch says that Sig offers a conversion kit to turn their 40sw into 9mm or 357 for only 2-3bills. So two calibers for less then a 9mm 226 new and that's why I am entertaining the idea. While I wait to pick up a Mk25 version
@@DD_Dietriech Personally, I prefer the handling characteristics of 9 over 40 enough to just get a 9. 357sig has great ballistics, but do you really need that sort of long range performance out of a handgun? The ammo market being what it has been, I am all about buying whatever shoots the most available ammo out there. I'm presuming 9 is easier and cheaper to get, but I haven't bought handgun ammo in a long long time. Food for thought. If I ever did buy a 9mm it would be a P226.
I have the 226 SAO legion. It is about as perfect as a full-size 9 mm pistol can be. In fact, for me, it is essentially a double stack 9 mm 1911 that is easier to take down and clean. The night sights, the beaver tail, the undercut, the grips, the extremely short reset, the point ability, combined with a the best trigger of any non 1911 out there, make it one of my favorite pistols. It is just excellent. Thanks for the video
I own one myself. It really is a higher capacity, smooth shooting 1911 with everything a 1911 should have. Plus the flat face trigger with a short break and reset make it that much better than a standard P226.
I thought that's what it was designed to be
And the only thing better is the full size 226 SAO RXP Legion. It’s very much an affordable 1911 type; my Nighthawk Shadowhawk 1911 in 9mm with Trijicon RMR is just as great, but it is a pain to clean simply because the slide to frame fit is so tight. It sometimes takes me 10 minutes to find the exact spot where the slide stop will slide out.
@@SnapD24 I have no idea what is was designed to be. I only know what it is. I am also going to get a Beretta 92x, to see what that is about. I couldn’t be more pleased with this pistol.
I'm 51 and a veteran 🎗. I like the older "classic" P series with the rounded style over the E series. SIG Sauer did not make E type models very long but they were ⬇️. DAK pistols are + too. PS Hogue, Guy Hogue makes excellent P series SIG grips.
I put one of Sig's short reset trigger kits in my old 226 and it made a huge difference. Definitely worth it if you have a standard 226.
Gray Guns sells one directly which is arguably even better.
I think a SRT trigger kit makes for a better trigger than the legion SAO.
And for those of us that have short, stumpy fingers, Sig sells a shorter-reach trigger.
Combined with the SRT kit, it’s an outstanding upgrade.
@@LifeStyle-uh1ns The only difference between the two is that the Sig includes a MIM sear and the GG is a machined sear. I have found it hit or miss, some feel exactly the same while others feel ever so slightly better in favor of GG.
I liked the standard trigger on my issue 226, but I did install short triggers for our female officers and a couple of male officers. They liked the short triggers and their shooting improved.
I own a 226 legion. That double action is smooth, and the single action is perfect. Such a fun gun to shoot.
Caleb, thanks for the rundown on the differences between the Legion and the standard SIG. I've been using SIGs as police patrol guns since the 80's, and now I have a P226 in retirement. I've concluded that absolutely none of the Legion features are a necessity for me, nor would they influence, in my opinion, the course of a police or civilian gun fight. Other's opinions may vary and that is fine, it is their money.
But my 2008 police trade-in P226 does have a feature I find myself using all the time, and that is that it shoots four different calibers. Mine started life as a .40 purchased in good shape for $350 with working night sights, to which I rather quickly added a factory .357 SIG barrel, and then found a brand new, almost unobtainable SIG Caliber X-Change Kit for 9mm and another one (used) for .22lr. So for less than the price of a P226 Legion, I have a P226 that shoots four calibers. I like the .40 with heavy bullets for home defense, the .357 SIG for an outdoors and long range gun, the 9mm for club level IDPA events, and the .22 LR for cheap practice and training new shooters. Included in my budget was a SIG branded P226 CO2 air pistol, which is super-realistic and allows me to practice at home indoors when I can't get to the range.
About the only pistol I like as well is my Beretta 92X Compact. Trying to choose between them is like trying to decided which of your kids you love more. But if I had to sell one, I'd keep the SIG. As mine is configured, it will simply do more.
I absolutely love my P229 Legion. All the ergonomics and the way it sits in my med/LG hands. Worth the extra few dollars to get over the Nitron version.
Got a 229 Legion. Love it. It’s best friends with my Beretta 92fs.
Have both, love both! Except, my M9 has Wilson combat internals and trigger reduction. Going to be working on my 226 this week
One thing I noticed in this video was Caleb shooting on the range, which adds flair to the video. I like that. I also like that Caleb is a Sig guy but he’s not a Sig snob lol
I had a P320 Full, and now a P320 X5 Legion. It's a night and day difference between the two. The trigger is a lot more positive in the Legion, and the added weight of the TXG grip really helps the fun feel controllable and connected.
I have a P226R and two P226 Legion SAO's. The difference between the two is staggering. The checkering on the front of the grip just feels more comfortable AND grippy. The sights are massively upgraded, the trigger, while a little unfair to compare a DA/SA and SAO trigger, is the difference between an $8 steak from Denny's and a dry aged rib eye. The standard trigger is fine, especially for a duty type gun, the double action pull is heavy, you are not ready for how heavy that pull is, the single action pull is fine, but not great. The SAO Legion is a crisp break.
If you can afford a Legion, it is 100% worth it. Or you can just do what I do... and buy them all because I hate money.
I ended up adding a Wilson Combat grip module and weights to my 320, which feels great if you like that 1911 shape. Also added a Sig flat enhanced skeletonized trigger which brings the pull weight down to around 4-4.5 lbs and makes it notably crisper on the break (it's the XFive Legion trigger). While I'm sure it's not quite the same, it gets those with a non-Legion P320 in the same ballpark. Gotta love the modularity of the platform!
... I have a P220 Legion in 10mm and when I let friends fire the pistol I have to do two things: one, get the jaws of life to pry the gun from their hands and two, get ahold of a plastic surgeon to get that permanent "ear to ear" smile of of their face! The gun is just that good and worth every penny ...
That slide catch is not meant as a slide release. I've had company reps and Sig armorers strongly recommend to build a habit of retracting the slide and releasing it after a reload. I have a pair of P220's and always carried them for LE duty. Feel free to debate me internet commandos, but that was the proper way, and will extend the life of the part immensely.
Go to Google Patents and look up the patent for the P220. It's called a slide release in the patent. Just because a sales rep or a cop tells you something doesn't make it true. The people who drew up the patent called it a slide release. You just got punked by an internet commando. That makes you my internet b*tch.
One of those videos I didn't know I needed but glad to watch
I have the Legion P226 in a SAO with a flat trigger. It is one of my firearms that I have in my rotation. The other is a full size P320 and my 1911
Just ordered my 220 Legion Cant wait to run it out.
I have had a P220 45 auto since 1995. Carried this pistol everyday for years. I just got the 40th Anniversary Sig Sauer P226 in 9mm. I changed front sights on both with Amerglo orange front sights.
Awesome!! Just got a 220..what holster have you been using?
You could do a whole series on explaining the differences between SIG model variations since SIG's website doesn't bother with it much.
I gave up finding an affordable P229 in 357 SIG, then stumbled on one last weekend and laid it away.
Used, 40 S&W, place had a new 357 SIG barrel they included. No case, one mag. I can tell you what it isn't, but no info, including from Sog, exactly what it IS.
Not a Legion. Doesn't look like an Elite, or Nightmare. One of the original models, rounded corners, which doesn't seem to have a name.
Not sure what kind of trigger. My guess is it is DAK, but until I pick it up and shoot it, not sure.
Any advice from SIG shooters is welcome.
@@keithgraham9547 Police trade in dak, matrix precision makes a conversion kit that it's relatively easy to install using a disassembly guide. No special tools apart from an Allen key set required
@@keithgraham9547 or any other substitute for a punch set if you also can't be bothered to buy one haha
Thank you for taking the time to provide this information and advice
Love my 229 Legion... all the features you discussed. Decided to put a red dot on it... but I think I like it clean with the enhanced iron sights. Great piece and fun to shoot!
I have owned and edc'd a 226 Elite Platinum for over 2 years. Probly my fav firearm of all time, hands down.
Actually, I believe the new 226/229 legions actually use a cerkote coating finish. They ditched the PVD a few years ago.
This is correct, SIG stopped PVD many years ago: early 2019 to be specific. The elite cerakote is more green gray than the PVD gray. Honestly, SIG does nitron better than anything else.
Man, the best value is my early production s&w M&P 2.0 that came in FDE from the factory. It’s got a black nitride finish with a factory cerakote on top of it, with a stainless slide. That thing is so coated, it’ll basically never rust.
@@hoglaw09 lol
Thanks Caleb for the great video! I have been on the fence for a long time about getting a Legion. This video pushed me over the edge. I didn’t realize the Legion had Grey. Guns’ triggers. Can’t wait to place my order
The way I grip I always hit the slide release on the original models. That little bit of a difference in the Legion's release makes a huge difference
Short and objective review, appreciated.
My EDC P229 Legion 9mm
Shootability is amazing across the board, ergonomics, sights, trigger.
Worth carrying every extra ounce 💪🏼🇺🇸
Thanks for the info. A lot of people have the idea the Legion series is all about a ‘club’. I had no idea till I had the opportunity to shoot one. My wife has a 229, which is a great pistol-but there is no comparison between the two.
I have the a May 2019 P220 Legion 10mm which is a DREAM to shoot and that Hammer, Trigger and internals where not the Standard MIM parts but Tool Steel so I started to research who made the those parts for SIG. After doing so research I found that Sig was using a Kit distributed by Cylinder and Slide who has a long history of collaboration with SIG going back to the SIG Blackwater 1911 Pistol that was the Predecessor to the SIG 1911 TacOps. I purchased three of the Cylinder and Slide SIG Tactical Trigger Kits from Brownells before Brownells Discontinued Carrying the KITS which I hope THEY WILL START to CARRY AGAIN SOON!!!!! I have taken two standard P226 40SW/357SIG and one P220 45acp and upgraded them with the kits plus Trijicon HD night sights, and Hogue G10 checkered Grips and was able to ELEVATE the pistols to 95 percent of LEGION Capability. I recently pick up a Police Trade in P227 in Excellent Condition and I am planning to give it the DIY LEGION treatment the only thing this pistol is going to be missing is going to be the Medium Size Beavertail because the P227 came with everything else and I wish that SIG would Re-Introduce a Steel Frame Version in 10mm with a 5 inch barrel which would not be that hard to do since the P227 and P220 45acp/10mm slides are compatible.
I have a 226 Legion and have put about 800 rounds through it. The only thing that I have an issue with is that you can ride the slide lock control depending on your grip. If your ride high on your right thumb (right handed shooters), the slide may not lock back at the end of a mag. I would say this is more user related than a “flaw.” I really enjoy everything else about the pistol. It is great.
Yea I have the same issue on my 226 SAO Legion. If I gas peddle the safety with my right thumb in a high grip and I don't consciously keep my thumb a little more left than usual the slide doesn't lock back. 500 rnds in and I'm still getting used to it.
Nice video and I have wondered about the differences. Thank you for answering those.
Nice pistols, SIG does it right. A guy couldn’t go wrong with either one of them. I have a P220 pistol. It was manufactured in West Germany. I love the pistol and will keep it until the day I die. 🙂
P220 in .45 auto is a great Gun, carried mine on duty for ten years. It’s a made in “Germany” gun that I bought in 1997. But you’re lucky with the “West Germany” made one. That will become a collector’s gun if it has not already become one.
P220 .45s 10mm are ✔️. I like the DAK series R format.
I have one of those W. Germany ones too. When I sent it to NH to have night sight dovetails milled into it they all but begged me to leave it original with the pinned front blade. That's just not me, it is a working gun. It is my backpack gun now, because it is so much lighter than my other 220 which is all stainless. Mine broke a sear in 2000, but other than that, its been a very solid tool. BTW, if your sear ever breaks with that model it becomes DAO, and still shoots off the trigger bar, which is a nice piece of engineering.
Those West German Sigs are works of art. I'm lucky enough to have one but it rarely leaves my safe these days. I run a 226 Legion as EDC.
I picked up a surplus West German P6 (the German police issued version of the P225) that was manufactured a month after I was born in June of 84 as my first pistol for $200 and it spoiled me... I've never found anything I like as much as that 40 year old gun since lol. Its been my edc as long as i've had it although I finally found a good deal on a new Legion P229 that basically was the pistol at cost with a free Romeo1 red dot so almost 15 years later I'm finally replacing it. I think once the new one gets here next week I'm going to send the ol' girl off to Sig and let them give her a little tlc, she's definitely earned it.
Heck, you're Caleb with Brownell's. I wouldn't expect you to have a regular anything. I'm a cheap old basxxxx is the only reason I didn't buy a Legion 229 when they first came out. Alas, other guns have long since sucked up that cash I had put back for a Legion. But I still got my Glock 40 Problem Solva (it says YEET on the side, that's how you know). Maybe one day soon I can trade into a gently used one. Thanks, Caleb for the breakdown.
For what it's worth, I got my Legion years before I started with Brownells. lol
The (slightly) more affordable P226/P229 Elite series has a similar undercut and checkering, with a slightly longer beavertail, and the short reset trigger (which debuted on the Elite). SRT not to be confused with the factory GG trigger on the Legion.
I have a 30-year old Sig P-228 (I bought it new). I love the pistol and wouldn't trade or sell it for anything. I carried a P-226 as a police officer and hated to turn it in when I retired.
The only 2 semi auto pistols I felt fit my left hand the best ✔️ were SIG P226s rounded style. Also the now out of production, S&W round grip 5906/3906 9mm. SIG designs were excellent.
I have the same Sig P-228, also 32 years old, West Germany made. It'll be the last pistol i'll ever sell.
I currently own and daily Cary a P229 Legion and I love this gun accuracy is fantastic and looks are amazing. Mine also has holster character but in my opinion that is part of the beauty.
Had a 226 SAO Legion. Saw a MK25 at my local shop, traded it immediately. The Legion was a dream, but the MK25 is a historical piece
I heard the new MK25's have less internal components being phosphate coated than before
I love my MK25. Would not trade it away for sure.
My local shop has an SAO on consignment, had them pull it for me and im putting it on layaway monday. Super excited.
The MK25 has a mag disconnect... I passed on it hard at that point.
@@Monster11B you can remove it. Takes only about 5 min. Sounds like a California 226. My MK25 does not have it
I love my M11-A1. The best of both worlds.
Everybody is different. I put Speed Sights on, Hogue rubber grips, and BarSto 2 port barrels with NT+ coating (wright armory).
Obviously there are folks selling ‘improved’ triggers, internal parts, etc.
Great guns.
I have many Legions, and my favorite is the 226 SAO RXP. My carry gun is the 229 Legion. The triggers are amazing, but if you’d like to improve your triggers further, send you pistols off to The Sig Armorer in Texas, and Robert will reduce your take up and eliminate any overtravel. My 226 SAO Legion has a 1 pound 12 ounce trigger. The reset can’t be More than a millimeter. Robert does a dynamite job. Best Regards
I got a P226 Legion RXP with a decocker. I think trigger is perfect. Not a fan of super light triggers on anything other than precision rifles.
Don't ever use it for self defense, the lawyer will destroy you
@@andog6092 Based on what? Can you give an example?
@@kennethbaker5223 no, he can't. he just made that up, like a complete fool.
Prosecutors convinced a jury to convict a man of second degree murder, their case based on the fact he defended himself with 10mm. A custom 1.5# SAO trigger job doesn't help your defense in a homicide prosecution. Think before you speak.
My nightstand gun is a Legion 229 series’s just for the reasons you mentioned, fortunately I have not had to use it in a defensive way and hopefully never will but out at the range, and desert as well it has been flawless. . .thanks for the video.
Great comparison Don't forget. Legions also have a solid guide rod for a bit extra weight up front
“In comparing. . .I would have really like to have seen the “legion” 229 vs the “legion” 226 but still a good video.
I have the Legion in 226 .357 Sig. I also have 226's and 229's in 9, 40 and 357 Sig. Also a 220. Great pistols.
I recently got the P220 Legion 10mm , amazing shooter with perfect trigger imo. Also purchased the P229 Pro its surprising close to a legion with out the grey guns trigger job, and PVD coating. both amazing shooters.
Thanks for doing this. I have a P226 Elite Emperor Scorpion and I REALLY prefer it to a standard 226, which I really don't care for due to ergos, grip, sights, trigger, and the aesthetics.
Does the Elite have the undercut trigger guard?
@@FishKepr, yes. G10 grips, really substantial beaver tail, tridium night sights in front and back, there can't be much difference between it and the Legion.
Maybe the controls are still larger for the slide release and decocker.
It is worth every cent. Mine handle is a bit agressive but not a problem. Never had any problem manipulating the controls. The best part is the trigger. That short travel was a bit strange when I first handled it at the shop, but with time come to appreciate. The trigger is very good and makes the pistol a joy to shoot as accuracy and feeling too.
I love the 10mm Legion, however the ONLY problem with it that it isn't double stack, unlike the EAA Witness.
I've had or have a few of these. Still my favorite is the MK25 that already had night sights and I added the SRT trigger parts and G10 grips. It also has a true pic. rail vs the Sig rail. The 226 Extreme I still have is great too.
your video's are great,,, keep it up... just noticed,,, is that an AT4 rocket launcher in the safe in the background?!?!?!?! love it!
Man, respectfully and with admiration...your hair is retro
LEGION
Love my P226R Legion SAO 9mm. Outstanding features and weapon. My duty gun.
Love everything about my 226 Legion. At first the weight of the weapon took some getting use to. But once I adapted, it is a joy to shoot. Well worth the money.
Thanks Caleb, great info!
i own 2 SIG P226s, one original version with "West-Germany"-markings, aluminium frame and extractor on the inside the other one with steel frame, pic rail, newer extractor design. I am very happy with both of them - although i got both used: accurate und reliable!
A few years ago i had the chance to handle a new legion and was pretty dissapointed: it rattled if you shook it on a closed slide! An absolute no go for me in that price category!
I have a P220 Nitron 45 ACP and a P220 Legion 10mm. The sights are the same on both so that's a wash. I like the controls on the Nitron better so I'm putting the Nitron slide release in the Legion. I'm also putting the E2 grip upgrade kit, and the short trigger on both. The Nitron doesn't have the SRT in it so the it will get that upgrade kit as well. The one thing I don't like about the P220 Legion 10mm that there is apparently no fix for is the very weak black coating on the magazines. I'd just as soon have the stainless steel magazines that the P220 45 ACP takes. Just my opinion, both are good guns but neither are what I consider good to go out of the box. What would be nice is if Sig would offer a custom shop al la carte where a gun can be ordered with everything you want and nothing you don't.
If sig ever makes the full stainless steel frame (not aluminum alloy) for the 226 and 229 again and if the price is good, count me in!
Same.
Yesterday at a range in New Hampshire, using my P226 Legion SAO RXP, I put three rounds in the center (1 3/4”) of a VTEC B8 target at 25 yards, and three more in a line right next to each other just above the center. It’s a very accurate gun, and I mentioned elsewhere, Robert at The Sig Armorer did a competition trigger job on this gun, reducing the trigger weight to 1 pound 12 ounces. Best Regards.
Thank you for the excellent comparison video! Well and fairly done, thorough but not belaboring the points.
I do believe I may have seen a bit of fumbling with the small slide release on the Legion 😊 but personally I can overlook this minor detail in the pistol design, given so many other advantages that justify the higher price. I guess if it were really a deal breaker for someone they could replace that particular part easily enough.
Thanks again!
Just got a P229 Legion. I liked the gun to begin with, though I prematurely bought the gray guns fat strut bar and SRT kit, and didn’t really notice a difference in trigger pulls or resets. Considering the ELS from them too to see if that makes a difference too. However, the trigger really isn’t that bad. My biggest complaint is the extra hump of G10 on the left side. I almost want to get a second pair of grips and sand it down to slim it up a little bit
Regarding holster wear, the HK P30s finish are exceptional and second to none.
That is true.
Trigger reset on legion is absolutely brilliant.
Proud 226 Legion owner here. By far my favorite pistol.
P226 legion SAO. Now that is a nice trigger. Right behind a cz75 tso. Or a S&W PC 1911.
Another great video. 👍
My legion 226 sao has had the paint chipping on the front near the barrel. I don’t ever holster it, and really haven’t shot it much. I was very disappointed in the finish durability considering the price. That aside, it’s one hell of a great shooter.
I really like Caleb's 226 legion the color, grips, and all.... Really nice carry gun man!
I’ve had my P226 Legion for about a year. Best hammer fired trigger I have shot. I also have a P220 Compact, and Beretta 92X in hammer fired. Legion easily beats them and I agree if you can afford it…get it! It’s worth the price. The first time I shot it, I told my wife, it was like the difference between driving a Taurus and then stepping into an Audi😃
I own both a regular P229 and a P229 Legion. To be honest, I like the regular one better. The so-called “upgrades” on the Legion were not worth it to me.
No doubt the best Sig period. My box says Legion R2 and is by far the best 226 out of them all. Multiple changes were made, the slide lock making it smaller so as not to ride it while shooting causing slide not to last round lock back. Just a beautiful made gun and I love mine so much that I bought another. Excellent shooter! Good Luck and God Bless to all those that support The Constitution of The United States of America 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I have a P227 Tac Ops Elite. So the Elite has all the features of the Legion aside from the logo. The checkering, the G10 grips, and the beaver tail make it so comfortable to hold. And that’s a double stack .45 APC.
It’s a little odd SiG didn’t put front slide serration's on that P226 Legion.
Love my P227.
Love this breakdown. Was trying to figure if the Legion series was worth it.
Great firearms the 226 is the pinnacle of handguns in 9 mm. Tank is the best way to think of it.
Yeah, nothing like carrying a tank 🙄
What about the different extractor, ejector, and a hand fitted tensioned barrel? Everyone always forgets those upgrades.
I have a P229 Legion in 40/357 SIG. I also have a P229 Elite in 9mm. There is a difference. I prefer the grip on the Legion, and use it as a carry gun pretty regularly, mostly with the 357 SIG barrel. I use the P229 Elite for 3gun competition mostly.
Glock fanboy here and I got the chance to shoot a buddies 226 legion and I fell in love with it. I still love my Glocks but a Sig legion will likely end up in my collection one day.
Love these videos. I wish I could order some stuff from you guys to show more support.
My P220 Legion 10mm DA/SA has been excellent.
I just brought home a Xfive Legion. Haven’t had a chance to shoot it yet, but I’m giddy.
I used to have a 229. Have a 226 legion now and I have never looked back. Between the PPD coating, the x-ray sights, the beaver tail, the G-10 grips and the factory tuned trigger, there is no way a shooter could duplicate the feature set for even twice the difference! The legion is a no brainer!
i like this comment, i have 2100 for a pistol saved up, i could get the 226 legion w/optic, or i could get a reg 226 and a reg 229...i cant decide, but this helped me towards just getting the 226/229 w/optic and saving the rest for ammo
I have a 229 i wear with a cross holster on my right side while driving with four mags in the center console.
I love my 226 SAO legion it’s great! 226 is the best Sig ever.
6:24 watching the slide slam into battery without picking up a round just made me cringe. IDK I always imagined that the striping of a round slows the slide down a bit and makes for smother softer crash. I have a P226 Legion SAO with 100k rounds through it. Great shooter, love the gun 4th barrel, frame is a little worn so the slide is kinda loose on the frame but the barrel and slide lock up real tight still and shes a beamer.
I have two Legion's, 320 X5 and the 229. Both are great pistols but the 320 X5 is a fantastic shooter!
Have a P220 legion in 10mm and a P 320 X5 Legion. Both are great!
I have 320 x5 legion, 220 SAO legion and are awesome guns. Amazing triggers on both. Have a standard 226 that came with standard slide. Put the pro cut optics slide on and gray guns g10 grips. Also a really good trigger took some getting used to.
The p210 trigger puts just about all triggers to shame
P210 is a target pistol, not really designed as a carry firearm.
Absolutely beautiful machine, only high end 1911's can beat that trigger.
I run a 226 Legion myself, I've wanted a 210 for a while but never come across one, I'd snap it up in a heartbeat if I ever see one.
I bought a 229 legion when they first came out. It’s the first 229 i have owned in 9mm not forty cal. I am use to the forty, I had to get use to it in9mm and I love it’s just a different feel but I look at it as I didn’t have to buy parts.
👍😊 I do like the Sig .
Thanks for the demo/comparison _ We enjoy using the MK25 - sure the trigger can be better and so the options for the grip. Perhaps someone would make rubber for large hands to make it more convenient. Cheers!!
This dude could play a younger flashback scene for the guy in The Conjuring.
Love the excuses for sigs shit coating. I have seen that pvd wear off without touching a holster yet my p220 nitrate that I carried for for and ccw, still looks brand new.
boo hoo
@@Simon-talks Dont cry karen…..
@@11binfantryfollowmeus.army95 yeah, there's too many Karen's in here...libtards.
Sig now use a Cerakote finish that is more wear resistant.
Carry p226 nitron now 4+ years. Zero holster wear on the slide finish, and the frame only has where from wear I mount my light. Carried either a p220 or p226 now a decade and the nitron does not show common holster wear. Also, if you want a MUCH better trigger. SIG armor strut, armory crafts smooth action kit, and adj trigger. Far superior trigger to stock.
That coating is tough and mine has no visible wear after years of carry in leather.
So dig added some features to make them more like cz p-01. Undercutting of trigger, beaver tail.
Mine is a SAO P226 Legion. Excellent gun -- I believe the P226/220 falls in the 2011/double stack 1911 category. No problems or shortcomings with the Legion series; however, I have a BUL Armory 1911 Commander with a trigger that rivals the Legion.
I got one of the last grey P226 Legion RXP DA/SA traded it out for the one I originally got SAO P226 Legion gray w/o RDS. Now just have to get a SRT. Might have to pick up a P229 Legion to carry (w or w/o RDS)
Great review, thanks
The current Legion standard finish leaves a lot to be desired. I'm partial to the Nitron on the LE/MIL Legion series
What do you think is wrong with the cerakote?
@@RikkiTikkiTavi290 nothing. The new cerakote is amazing and improves upon the Legion's old PVD coating that use to wear off.
La mejor pistola del mundo Sig Sauer y mas me gusta la 229 elite!!!
Planning to get the P226 Legion since the release. I am actually very hopeful that Sig will reintroduce the P227 in a 15 round 10mm and offer it in the Legion package. If/when they do I will make that purchase happen asap.
I have 2 legion pistols and a regular 365. The legions are great pistols but I still love my Walther steel frame the most.
Liked & subscribed. Great video
I was wondering, prior to that video, but no more, just going to spend some extra bucks for the Legion and be done with it.
I love my MK 25 with the SRT Pkg. The best of the best. My opinion.
I have the P938 Legion that I like a lot, EXCEPT, It has a problem when I load a full magazine, rack a round in the chamber then remove the magazine to top it off it has a round loose in the mag well. The thing that really got me about this issue is when I contacted Sig about this, the costumer service guy told me this is normal. WHAT? It's the way it's engineered he tells me. I've always heard good things about Sig costumer service but I'm not impressed.
Thanks and have a good day.
I have a P320 X5 Legion that has the Grey Guns trigger. This trigger is not even comparable to a standard Sig trigger; much, much better. I am now considering a P226 X5 Legion SAO. One of the best things I like about this gun is the Gray Guns trigger, close to the smoothness of a 1911 trigger.
Would you buy a P226 LEO trade in?
Personally, not without feeling the slide to receiver 'play'. They have tight tolerances to start, but if they are used hard and infrequently lubricated, they can get sloppy due to friction wear between the alloy frame and steel slide. In battery, even well worn ones have tight lockup...so it should still be a good shooter. There are a lot of worse handguns brand new than a very used 226. But I'd just get a new one myself, because they are so worth the money.
@@upcycle.outdoorsman9629 classic firearms website has them in "good to very good" condition for 6bills. Scootch says that Sig offers a conversion kit to turn their 40sw into 9mm or 357 for only 2-3bills. So two calibers for less then a 9mm 226 new and that's why I am entertaining the idea. While I wait to pick up a Mk25 version
@@DD_Dietriech Personally, I prefer the handling characteristics of 9 over 40 enough to just get a 9. 357sig has great ballistics, but do you really need that sort of long range performance out of a handgun? The ammo market being what it has been, I am all about buying whatever shoots the most available ammo out there. I'm presuming 9 is easier and cheaper to get, but I haven't bought handgun ammo in a long long time. Food for thought. If I ever did buy a 9mm it would be a P226.
Absolutely. LEO guns are the classic handling/holster wear, but like new inside used guns